@@sondiyamedia8979 he aimed to be on head lines that's all n he was less known to the public so jst dorget about him. We only know him after his mindless announcement
The former glorious movement is captured, from within and without. As an organisation, it has lost the plot, relevance and ultimately the reason for existence. When they, the comrades, focus on protecting and condoning each other, they forget the society at large, the mandate from the people.
True, as long as they continue to protect and condone their "comrades"bad behavior, they are only doing a dis-service to their party they allegedly love and their country they want to allegedly protect from corruption.
We've been doing that 4years now Bru we did that when Zuma was under siege with a rape case so wats new? If u not happy with the ANC joined Zuma party pls
I have great respect for Mavuso. When he first resigned from the ANC, I knew that he had enough of the ANC nonsense. But his stance on Phala Phala and not speaking out on the foreign currency hidden in the sofa at Ramaphosa's farm? I knew that he dropped the ball and his integrity was compromised. His withdrawal of his resignation confirmed my suspicious, yes he lost it all just to support CR in his 2024 election. Did CR give him another role as a Board of Directors to get easy monies? Did the WMC show him the bag. Therefore, Mavuso must just shut up on Thembi and if he wants to do so, let Mavuso start with Phala Phala or to resign again. He will never revive the dying ANC, period.
You have nailed it. If it was Zuma he would be very vocal about but because it is Ramaphosa he does not say anything. Zuma said 'Ngenzeni', the answer is simple, for most so-called Westernized and or those with Western Education do not like Zuma because he does not have qualifications. They look down upon him while he is always miles ahead of them while they use big English words discussing about the strategies they have to conceptualize...ha..ha..ha..ha ...educated Blacks are a disaster. The worst sellouts while thinking that they are correct because they think in English and strategies in English..nxxx
He spoke strongly against Phalaphala, I don’t know if you have been following. He called for President Cyril Ramaphosa resignation when the scandal came out
The problem is that she is her faction 1, 2 she was appointed to justice ministry and got exposed to details of Phala Phala so it would not be easy to deal with her head on
@@bhekithembanyembe6444 he resigned because he was flabbergasted by the anc corruption because he did not want to be associated with corruption. He was persuaded to come back to fight corruption
Why doesn't ANC listen to the elders like this man? The mantra always is touted that you are innocent until proven guilty. Just a whiff of suspicion should have them remove someone. She is an embarrassment to Ramaphosa and the ANC.
This is not actually condoning the the allegations around the Minister that is implicated in the VBS saga. Why is no single politician charged so far on this saga. It seemed much is put under carpet. Malema and Shivambu have been implicated in the VBS saga but nothing has come out. Should Thembi Simelane be an exception?
Dr Msimang speaks sense but instead of running back to a corrupt, rotten party to supposedly "fight corruption", he should've stayed out of the fold & held them to account & exposed them for who they really are. Speaking out now about his partners in crime is too little too late.
Phalaphala is Ramaphosa personal business, foreign currency was not tax payers money...do we know the truth who stashed money in sofas?why don't we hear anything about Arthur Frazer? knowing exactly is zumas whatever,he released him from jail then fiascos happened,why theres no follow up on (them) who were attending birthday party of thabo Bester while he was still a detainee?who gave him permission to enjoy outside...we are quite bt not fools.
@@diatilenthoba8262 ay wena how did foreign currency entered our country. Why the foreign currency were hidden under your father's sofas. After the incident happened why he never opened a case? Can I do the same thing as he did to use my own investigators to search for the suspects. You jst lv your phalaphala father. What about the report from retired judge Mr Ngcobo?
@ZwelibangileMpambaniso phala phala is not taxpayers monies unlike other looters who have not gone to jail. His biggest mistake was not declaring HIS OWN MONEY TO SARS. Let's talk about taxpayers looters first then we will talk about phala phala
@@sheilamabitsela tax evasion is a crime in this country, doing business in foreign currency is a crime in this country, that means ramaposa is a criminal and must be charged on both accounts
@@fanamlawuli6761exactly!!!! Its a crime for us people, the civilians but the elite anc and their friends don't need to pay taxes, that's what we are all for . Disgusting
And the ANC is destroying this country it doesn’t matter who becomes the leader we get the same results, corruption, fraud, resources for friends and families the list goes on
He destroyed it already he is now inviting Nigerians to come to South Africa without documents because his Shanduka is interested in importing Nigerian oil for its ASTRON filing stations . He doesn't care about the people anymore but himself. He imports Ankole cows from Kenya
@@MBReader410 Yerrrr, so according to you does that justify the many years of baseless allegations from WMC pseudo journalists?😂 No wonder people have wised up and are supporting people like President Zuma despite all the allegations against him.
Get over your WMC which was created by a White company in Britain for Zuma to collaborate with the Guptas to capture all SOE's. Making stupid comments like that is just ignorant. This has got nothing to do with race. If anything, mainstream media support & push the agendas of the ANC, EFF & now MK far more than so-called "White" parties. In 2024, this nonsense race-baiting is a pathetic attempt to make excuses for criminals.
Anc has nothing to offer, all anc cadres are tainted, Ramaphosa is also tainted, he doesn't have anyone to appoint except DA cadres who are not tainted with corruption. Let Ramaphosa appoint someone from another party.
The ANC is dying because it puts useless people on a pedestal, what has this guy done for this country? Where was he when other comrades were fighting in the bushes?
Ramaphosa is tainted. He is just as corrupt as his peers in the very same ANC. So, why does all this shock us? Mbalula is the very same moto-mouth who came in saying that people will be dealt with, yet non who were meantioned in the Zondo commission is yet to be investigated and arrested and non will be. He himself is tainted. So expecting the ANC to change is expecting a miracle and miracles are a myth.
I don't think they is any Renewal in ANC and will be no change what so ever as long as Mbalula and Ramaphosa the still in those positions. But what can i say time is over for them shame, they like it or not
This decision is shocking and disappointing. Firstly why so long to remove her and secondly why is she redeployed and still in Cabinet?? The answer is simple. She is the President's keeper. Phala Phala is hanging over his head and these people are put in place to stop prosecution. As for the Msimang he has no principles and is not steadfast in his beliefs. He resigns and then rejoins. No character, no principles lost all respect for him.
ANC NEC is responsible for the decidions Ramaphosa takes, matters like this are discussed in their meeting before the president announces the decision. Ramaphosa has no control over the NEC, they always talk about collective decisions.
Ramaphosa cant deal with simelañe precisely because he himself carries a much heavier dark cloud hanging over his head , phalaphala cloud is swelling and it's not going to go away anytime
No need to call DR Msimango Anc veteran he did nothing for South African he was at school in Zambia he never fight for South African what we know he was buzy going all around the world, what I want to know is that who was paying his school fees in university of Zambia,
Dr Msimanga, do you remember why did resign from ANC? Why did you change your mind and rejoin?All reasons you made were just a smoke screen.Dr Msimanga you are not sure what you stand for!
I'm no longer even interested to listen lamaxoki obaba who are not saying anything about Phalaphala but they are quick to suggest that others should step aside but history will judge them.
The ANC resolution said any one with a cloud should step aside, but Ramaphosa and his faction changed it to say any one should step aside, this was made a tool to remove people in the other factions since RAMAPHOSA holds the power to charge in NPA through Batohi the Head his puppet. Hence the unwanted were charged and forced out. Now Thembi is member of Ramadollar faction, hence not going anywhere
Can commentators please just stick to responding in English. This is an English language Chanel. There are other language Chanel’s I’m sure where u can express your views in your own language. Just stop bastardising the English language.
Mavuso! What about the clouds above the President? It is easy to speak about others but you are very scared a out the President. Malini le aninika yona uPresdent for all of you to burry his wrong doings
I will never take serious Dr Mavuso again after he resigned from ANC and withdrawn his resignation.
@@sondiyamedia8979 he aimed to be on head lines that's all n he was less known to the public so jst dorget about him. We only know him after his mindless announcement
a wise men always changes his mind! u don't know that pls don't disappoint me nd stop investing emotional on politicians
Exactly 💯
@@WinkieMabija … I was taught by my grandma , when you change your mind , you loose your luck and sometimes respect
I don’t think he is that intelligent
The former glorious movement is captured, from within and without. As an organisation, it has lost the plot, relevance and ultimately the reason for existence. When they, the comrades, focus on protecting and condoning each other, they forget the society at large, the mandate from the people.
True, as long as they continue to protect and condone their "comrades"bad behavior, they are only doing a dis-service to their party they allegedly love and their country they want to allegedly protect from corruption.
We've been doing that 4years now Bru we did that when Zuma was under siege with a rape case so wats new? If u not happy with the ANC joined Zuma party pls
@@WinkieMabijaBut now the ANC allowing Nigerians to trade and provide powder to SA shelves😳phala
@@WinkieMabijaWe lost more than 20 kids coz of anc
@@WinkieMabijaANC continue ignoring the ppl on the ground does this mean the end😂😂😂
I have great respect for Mavuso. When he first resigned from the ANC, I knew that he had enough of the ANC nonsense. But his stance on Phala Phala and not speaking out on the foreign currency hidden in the sofa at Ramaphosa's farm? I knew that he dropped the ball and his integrity was compromised. His withdrawal of his resignation confirmed my suspicious, yes he lost it all just to support CR in his 2024 election. Did CR give him another role as a Board of Directors to get easy monies? Did the WMC show him the bag. Therefore, Mavuso must just shut up on Thembi and if he wants to do so, let Mavuso start with Phala Phala or to resign again. He will never revive the dying ANC, period.
One hundred percent
I agree with you he must also shut cs his pockets are full of Phalaphala sofa dollars
100% it's all a principle until it costs you something....the ANC is so compromised its doomed
You have nailed it. If it was Zuma he would be very vocal about but because it is Ramaphosa he does not say anything. Zuma said 'Ngenzeni', the answer is simple, for most so-called Westernized and or those with Western Education do not like Zuma because he does not have qualifications. They look down upon him while he is always miles ahead of them while they use big English words discussing about the strategies they have to conceptualize...ha..ha..ha..ha ...educated Blacks are a disaster. The worst sellouts while thinking that they are correct because they think in English and strategies in English..nxxx
He spoke strongly against Phalaphala, I don’t know if you have been following. He called for President Cyril Ramaphosa resignation when the scandal came out
The President must also step aside. Phala phala
How do you apply the step-aside rule if you dessemaly fail to do to your president for phala phala story.
The problem is that she is her faction 1, 2 she was appointed to justice ministry and got exposed to details of Phala Phala so it would not be easy to deal with her head on
What a sober mind! Dr Msimang gives me hope amid the rampant corruption in this country!!!!
He tainted his name by resigning and withdrawing the resignation. So even sober his comments have less weight.
My concern is such cadres like Msimang are not in government , why , this is a credible person that would make government work
@@bhekithembanyembe6444 he resigned because he was flabbergasted by the anc corruption because he did not want to be associated with corruption. He was persuaded to come back to fight corruption
@@cartoonfan__2006what fight has he started against corruption since his return??
Whatever they decide against each other, we have moved to build our country
Is Ramaphosa not tainted by phalaphala sofas scandal?
Yeah but his anc cadres voted that nothing wrong with what he did and no one should be investigated, step down etc etc. This is the legacy of the anc.
He's silence bcz it Ramaphosa and Simelane must face the music
Exactly and he is here talking about a minister who was there to save the president he is protecting himself.
Always making sense,a very bold leader,he does not have folk tongue but one straight talk.
😂😂😂Flip flopper
Why doesn't ANC listen to the elders like this man?
The mantra always is touted that you are innocent until proven guilty. Just a whiff of suspicion should have them remove someone. She is an embarrassment to Ramaphosa and the ANC.
stupidity is to repeat the same error over and over again.
And the ANC voter is guilty
True, voting ANC is the waste of time
Is this not the old man who resigned from the ANC and withdrew his resignation?.
What did he expect?
Its him
This is not actually condoning the the allegations around the Minister that is implicated in the VBS saga. Why is no single politician charged so far on this saga. It seemed much is put under carpet. Malema and Shivambu have been implicated in the VBS saga but nothing has come out. Should Thembi Simelane be an exception?
Just as Ace Magashule step aside
She has some very sensitive information on Cyril
Dr Msimang speaks sense but instead of running back to a corrupt, rotten party to supposedly "fight corruption", he should've stayed out of the fold & held them to account & exposed them for who they really are. Speaking out now about his partners in crime is too little too late.
The truth is nearer...let's pray that Longwe lives to tell the Meyiwas and the world,the only TRUTH...
Anc still dont stop😮
Can he please say something about phala phala and Ramaphosa then we will see real his true position
Phalaphala is Ramaphosa personal business, foreign currency was not tax payers money...do we know the truth who stashed money in sofas?why don't we hear anything about Arthur Frazer? knowing exactly is zumas whatever,he released him from jail then fiascos happened,why theres no follow up on (them) who were attending birthday party of thabo Bester while he was still a detainee?who gave him permission to enjoy outside...we are quite bt not fools.
@@diatilenthoba8262 ay wena how did foreign currency entered our country. Why the foreign currency were hidden under your father's sofas. After the incident happened why he never opened a case? Can I do the same thing as he did to use my own investigators to search for the suspects. You jst lv your phalaphala father. What about the report from retired judge Mr Ngcobo?
@ZwelibangileMpambaniso phala phala is not taxpayers monies unlike other looters who have not gone to jail. His biggest mistake was not declaring HIS OWN MONEY TO SARS. Let's talk about taxpayers looters first then we will talk about phala phala
@@sheilamabitsela tax evasion is a crime in this country, doing business in foreign currency is a crime in this country, that means ramaposa is a criminal and must be charged on both accounts
@@fanamlawuli6761exactly!!!! Its a crime for us people, the civilians but the elite anc and their friends don't need to pay taxes, that's what we are all for . Disgusting
This intelligent man gives me hope for the country. Thank you for interviewing him.
No hope here.
Haibo kanti wena uhlalaphi izwe lihambile hope yani anc yonakele kakhulu kwayona ayisekho
Well said.
What are his views on Phalaphala .His silence is a problem 4 some of us
Yhooo this old man
The ANC does not have leadership since Polokwane Conference of 2007 actually it is dying slowly.
Ramaphosa destroying ANC for sure.
ANC as a whole destroying itself
And the ANC is destroying this country it doesn’t matter who becomes the leader we get the same results, corruption, fraud, resources for friends and families the list goes on
He destroyed it already he is now inviting Nigerians to come to South Africa without documents because his Shanduka is interested in importing Nigerian oil for its ASTRON filing stations . He doesn't care about the people anymore but himself. He imports Ankole cows from Kenya
Why were they blaming EFF all these years?
WMC media and their so-called journalists have lost all credibility
SA people have had enough of corruption and empty slogans.
@@MBReader410 Yerrrr, so according to you does that justify the many years of baseless allegations from WMC pseudo journalists?😂
No wonder people have wised up and are supporting people like President Zuma despite all the allegations against him.
@@MBReader410 Smart one, why was it necessary for the media to lie all these years and create so much hype around EFF?
@@MBReader410 Does that justify the lies?
Get over your WMC which was created by a White company in Britain for Zuma to collaborate with the Guptas to capture all SOE's. Making stupid comments like that is just ignorant. This has got nothing to do with race. If anything, mainstream media support & push the agendas of the ANC, EFF & now MK far more than so-called "White" parties. In 2024, this nonsense race-baiting is a pathetic attempt to make excuses for criminals.
You are wrong msimanga,not all south african we see what is happening your comments will kill the anc more
This is factional decision by Ramaphosa. ANC is in factions. The dominant faction is at work, The ANC of Ramaphosa, is at work 24/7
Anc will complete its renewal program by wearing DA t-shirt.
The ANC is not learning at all☝️
Finally wake up from ICU and realize that the ANC is a sell😂😂
When are these MPs make a vote of no confidence on Ramaphosa😢.
He'll give them a bribe & those ANC members will take the stolen money & remain silent 😊
Could Ramaphosa be a clone? Just like Gibson Makhanda?
Ramaphosa useless
Blame the people who vote for the ANC and dont hold them accountable
The veteran are still dreaming thinking this is the era of OR, he is long dead
But why this lady alone. This VBS thing smears the whole ANC, EFF and many more.
Is he going to resign again since he is disappointed?
Mabuyane , Saul and them must relieve Ramaphosa of his duties as they convince him to stay.
Anc has nothing to offer, all anc cadres are tainted, Ramaphosa is also tainted, he doesn't have anyone to appoint except DA cadres who are not tainted with corruption. Let Ramaphosa appoint someone from another party.
The ANC is dying because it puts useless people on a pedestal, what has this guy done for this country? Where was he when other comrades were fighting in the bushes?
ASTOUNDED? No it is expected from the cANCer of Africa
I am just wondering what is the agenda of these so called veterans of the ANC.
Dr Mavuso is a confused veteran.He has forgotten what made him to overturn his resignation.
If the president has phalaphsla how do you expect him to deal with this issue ANC is a dieing joke.....the veteran are just like the president.
Ramaphosa is tainted. He is just as corrupt as his peers in the very same ANC. So, why does all this shock us? Mbalula is the very same moto-mouth who came in saying that people will be dealt with, yet non who were meantioned in the Zondo commission is yet to be investigated and arrested and non will be. He himself is tainted. So expecting the ANC to change is expecting a miracle and miracles are a myth.
Should refer to z Phalaphala
I don't think they is any Renewal in ANC and will be no change what so ever as long as Mbalula and Ramaphosa the still in those positions. But what can i say time is over for them shame, they like it or not
Why is Mavuso not in government , he is so credible but it looks like the Anc sidelines him because of his stance on corruption
This decision is shocking and disappointing. Firstly why so long to remove her and secondly why is she redeployed and still in Cabinet?? The answer is simple. She is the President's keeper. Phala Phala is hanging over his head and these people are put in place to stop prosecution. As for the Msimang he has no principles and is not steadfast in his beliefs. He resigns and then rejoins. No character, no principles lost all respect for him.
That's it.
One of the most partisan veteran of our times.
ANC NEC is responsible for the decidions Ramaphosa takes, matters like this are discussed in their meeting before the president announces the decision. Ramaphosa has no control over the NEC, they always talk about collective decisions.
A stinking Christmas box Ramaphosa has given to semelane entire ANC NEC is 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
FOR HOW LONG WILL CYRIL TAKE SOUTH AFRICAN'S FOR GRANTED.??
You must just shut up cause you're also a shareholder in WMC companies
Ramaphosa cant deal with simelañe precisely because he himself carries a much heavier dark cloud hanging over his head , phalaphala cloud is swelling and it's not going to go away anytime
This one I don't take seriously on anything...
Awukho umsebenzi waba bantu kuthiwa ngamagqala bafana naba kuthiwa ngabahlalutyi abazimeleyo abathethi bathetha kusokwenzi yintoni leyo kuphume umgulukudu phambi kwabo owabulala unyana welizwe lethu
If im Mavuso Msimang i will decline to comment because he is part of the problem.
No need to call DR Msimango Anc veteran he did nothing for South African he was at school in Zambia he never fight for South African what we know he was buzy going all around the world, what I want to know is that who was paying his school fees in university of Zambia,
The ANC will regret it's current decisions, RAMAPOSA is becoming a liability to the movement.
Wake up! He was always a liability
@@fanamlawuli6761 True story, most of those who were in exile are alive to that reality
Oh!!!
Not you again Dr "Flip flopper"
Do you really want "us" to take you serious?
Spare us please
Its been long for this useless President Ramaphosa. I think its the time to go to street for Ramaphosa. Enough is enough.
Kuya la esizocula iculo lesizwe ngesiZulu Sotho Afrikaans and nagera kulomzansi
Step aside was designed for Zuma it does not apply to Ramaphosa and his cliq
Yebo Thulani including State Capture
True
We expelled Zuma get over it pls. the men talking abt ANC nowhere he mentioned Zuma
Nonke nilwela IZIKHUNDLA ngakho ningafuni ukumela iqiniso ukuthi yabheda lo president wenu
They have lost the plot
Dr Msimanga, do you remember why did resign from ANC? Why did you change your mind and rejoin?All reasons you made were just a smoke screen.Dr Msimanga you are not sure what you stand for!
I'm no longer even interested to listen lamaxoki obaba who are not saying anything about Phalaphala but they are quick to suggest that others should step aside but history will judge them.
Cyral needs to go
This is the same man has been praising the ANC😂😂😂 and criticizing Jacob Zuma all the way😂😂😂
Veteran of what?
Students
What happened to the first comment I have just made?
😂
Ubutheni nawe...eish...🤣🤣🤣
Mavuso is just a stooge
Ramaphosa needs 2 go period
They got rid of Mbeki as president quickly what make him Ramaphosa so special
This reminds me of Zuma & Myeni.
The ANC resolution said any one with a cloud should step aside, but Ramaphosa and his faction changed it to say any one should step aside, this was made a tool to remove people in the other factions since RAMAPHOSA holds the power to charge in NPA through Batohi the Head his puppet. Hence the unwanted were charged and forced out. Now Thembi is member of Ramadollar faction, hence not going anywhere
Dr Mavuso you sound like a joke honestly.
You've lost credibility, just like the rest of your ANC counterparts Dr Msimamga. There was s time you were regarded highly...
Shambles.Ramaposa does not get anything right
He is a biased sellout
Can commentators please just stick to responding in English. This is an English language Chanel. There are other language Chanel’s I’m sure where u can express your views in your own language. Just stop bastardising the English language.
Mavuso! What about the clouds above the President? It is easy to speak about others but you are very scared a out the President. Malini le aninika yona uPresdent for all of you to burry his wrong doings
😂😂a veteran of what??😂😂
Dr Mavuso is a confused veteran.He has forgotten what made him to overturn his resignation.