EXACTLY? Need to justify their paychecks and turn it into a months long investigation with x-ray of all door hardware when if the bolts are missing it's pretty obvious!
Juan did you notice that the rod flange bracket at the base of the left side of that door opening is still present with the rod on the incident aircraft?? That could imply that the photograph of another 737 max 9 that reveals those loose flange bracket bolts could be causative
NTSB investigators mentioned that back in DC they will be carefully examining the plug and other parts for evidence of locking bolts being present or not at the time of the incident. I believe they will be scanning for witness marks and other telltales left behind when the plug departed. If no such indicators are found, they may well conclude one or more bolts were not installed, or that the nuts were not properly locked with pins. If they get extremely lucky someone in Oregon will find a bolt on the ground.
Thank you for posting this! It's super interesting to see inside the investigation & watch the process in action. Sending you all the good luck & thankful that no one was seriously injured!
Watch one aircraft disaters show on smithsonian channel, it did happen way higher up and a way larger piece flew off, a flight attendant was sucked out, passengers almost succumbe to wind, many bad rashes, and low oxygen, amazing story look it up this isnt the first time this has happened
@2:13 and @2:32 Looks like there is also some severe panel distortion around the door plug located on the opposite (right) side of the cabin? How come no video/images showing the outside of the aircraft fuselage at this location?
Those inner panels are simple, light-weight cover parts with no other function than to hide the insulation and technical stuff behind. So after such a major air rush has occurred in this plane's cabin, it's absolutely normal that some of the panels might not sit straight anymore. But that's absolutely not an issue. About 25 years ago I sat in a window seat of a B744 (SYD-BKK), when suddenly due to some thunderstorm turbulence over Java at night, the side panel next to me detached on top end and thus leaned against my shoulder and my seat. As most people were sleeping, I simply gave it a try and successfully clipped it back in place by myself. That's why I know these interior panels are very simple parts and will detach quite easily.
I work at Boeing company 6 years at Everett and Renton 737 4 years and I am ashamed of working there , BOEING NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATED AND HAVE CRIMINAL CHARGES . It’s soo crazy to work there when they hire people that don’t know anything . I am ashamed of working there .
My neice had worked there for a while and her supervisor (female) was always "on her case". My neice's title was an engineer......the only problem was (to what I kinda figured..) is that she was asian..... she probably coulda took it to the labor dept for discrimination but in her opinion, the board would only see Boeing's side.
Exactly, now you have the NTSB trying to cover up Boeing's mistakes it seems like. NTSB needs to share the real facts and someone needs to take responsibility.
Some questions: how does this work? I understand Spirit Aerosystems makes the parts of the fuselages. The parts with the exitdoors on the wings, that is clear. But this aft part after the wings. Is this common practice for Boeing to ask for these parts, and are they designated to be montaged behind the exitdoor-on-wing part? Or did Spirit send these parts with a 'fake' door to Boeing by accident, for all 171 planes, and did Boeing-managers decide to have them montaged anyway to prevent the process from getting too much delays?
@warrenlowe676, It looks like the plug was held in with small clips. It's hard to tell from the video. They all are looking from a distance. Why isn't their nose in there where they can really examine it?
@@Dirk-van-den-Berg Spirit used to be Boeing Wichita until they were "spun off" 20 years ago by bean counters as a cost cutting exercise. Boeing is now a garbage company run by accountants and not engineers. They dodged a massvie bullet with this but I for one don't expect this screw up to be the last we've heard of the mess of the Max. They'll start dropping out of the sky again like the previous two fatal crashes.
@@JoeLinux2000Most of the door stuff in airplanes relies on putting stuff there in a way that the cabin pressure holds it in place in addition to any fasteners. So, for example, in order for the door to physically fit through the door frame, it has to be pulled in and rotated first. The plug could very well work the same way, with it being bigger than the hole in its normal position. Then you only need a tiny screw that prevents it from being pulled in and rotated. So not seeing anything substantial is no sign of anything being wrong. Also, it's not a vault with 3-inch steel walls, it's an airplane with a thin skin you could punch through from the outside while it's not pressurised.
I’m curious to hear the status of the right side door plug. The damage to the interior around that door is telling- are there installation problems there too?
Have the NTSB secured any CCTV & external photos of the aircraft on the ground in the days before the incident? Is there CCTV at the gate for example at the places it was flying from? Or anywhere it was moved for installation/maintenance. The door would likely have been raised (say 20mm by the lift assist springs) before pressurisation started. If it was anywhere near its normal alignment of door lug pins & door frame pads when pressurisation starts then it's unlikely anything will be able to shift it towards releasing in flight. There would be a reasonable chance of seeing this 20mm gap at the bottom of the door, (or lack of gap at the top) even in a fairly poor camera angle, especially when there will be normal examples of the door to compare against. It's about the only thing that would tell NTSB if it had been on the edge of the door blowing out for weeks or a couple of flights or only on this last flight. It appears it didn't stand out enough for the pilots to notice it on their walk around but they aren't looking for something like that.
"we need to look at it under a microscope" is the only answer these people could give in my opinion. Please for the sake of safety, share what actually happened and who should be blamed.
That is not NTSB mission; NTSB typically takes 1-2 year for investigations and put forward well researched final reports, with some shorter narrowly scoped preliminary reports in between. Anyway either the door wasn’t bolted to the plane correctly in manufacturing, or it broke off. Since they have the door now it should be pretty easy to determine if it broke off or if it wasn’t bolted in place.
There was a known pressurization issue on the 737 max 9. That’s why it’s was not ETOPS certified. They allowed them continued to fly it regardless! This is a major failure of the FAA and Boeing all over again. We need to hold them accountable.
This is what happens when you have a workforce more concerned with what's happening with their phone then performing their professional job duties excuse me I shouldn't have used the word professional.
This is video of a first walk-through. There is one person who has the job of documenting everything before it is touched by the investigators, and there are plenty of people whose job it is to get a first impression of what they will be investigating over the next 12 to 36 months. The former will take high-quality photos, and the latter will use whatever they like to use for their notes.
Remove the seats so you can get in there and take a proper look at it. I see at the end of the video you did. From my perspective it's very poor engineering similar to the the FIU bridge that collapsed right after it was put over the road, killing around seven. You all can thank God this didn't lead to many more deaths.
There are a lot of we'll say.... "unique" bridges in Florida that are built similarly to FIU; there's one very close to where I live where it's encouraged for pedestrians and golf cart users to use that is /intended/ to rust to look "antique" (and was designed to rust quickly to achieve that look ), is very thin, goes over about 7 lanes of traffic with no support pillars, and each end is "supported" by small columns of, wait for it...."natural sandstone". Oh....and the traffic lanes that it goes over, are quite busy, too. :D
The right side plug did not fail, but it would be prudent to check that side as well. Distortion of the panel liner could be an indication of a developing problem.
@@christopherrobinson7541 I am amazed at those loose bolts, only a normal washer it seems and no locking thread at the front which would prevent a bolt from turning loose. Ik makes me wonder if this only goes for the plug door or are all the doors subject to this same problem. A few weeks ago loose bolts or even missing bots in the rudder system.
Trust me, I know this sort of thing is RARE! BUT, this is why I DO NOT like to fly. I understand that driving has more risks, BUT at least I am in control of the steering wheel! I recently drove across the USA from Hartford to Seattle and back, and I enjoyed every mile of the drive - with no incidents!
@@yuanheli307 Yes I do consider myself. I am in CONTROL and totally aware of my surroundings. Those of us who go through an entire lifetime without killing ourselves behind the wheel are PAYING ATTENTION TO OUR DRIVING... WTF ARE YOU DOING? I would HATE to have you driving BEHIND me....
@@FunTowerRadio say that again when yo go through a green light at a crossroads and suddenly get T-Boned by a drunk driver who went through the red light. Do you have any control of that?
Non-union supplier! Right to work state, Right to keep your mouth shut = Right to keep your job! Personally I've worked for Boeing, I worked for a contractor that built weld assemblies for the C-17. They did not purge their titanium weld assemblies! Hey Boeing, If a titanium weld assembly is wired brushed or sandblasted, THERE'S A REASON WHY! Our C-17 "Welding engineer" at Boeing had ever never struck an arc!
People in high-vis vests standing around taking pictures with their cell phones. And others wearing high-vis vests and looking at other people in high-vis vests taking pictures with their cell phones. The aircraft is outside, exposed in the rain. It doesn't look professional. It looks more... "we'll put some B-roll on TH-cam so they can see we're taking it seriously".
When police find a body outside do they move it indoors before taking photos and evidence? Also doing it outside gives you much more light than in a hangar. Today's cell phones actually provide very good quality especially as it's a camera and video camera in one and modern phones can also do macro shots. Saves needing multiple specialist cameras until you take stuff back to the lab.
I think something else got sucked out if that window... why were the adjacent seats vacant is too much coincidence. If those bolts were found still attached to the door, houston we have a problem
It actually was a coincidence. On some flights I took, I was in the aisleseat, and both seats next to me were empty. But I always ask for an exitseat because of my long legs.
The locking bolts are (supposed to be) attached to the door frame assembly, part of the hull - not the door (plug). That's why I am screaming here "SHOW ME A CORRECTLY EXPOSED SHOT OF THE LOCKING BOLTS!!!" Or the holes they were supposed to occupy. These are all still in-place in the door frame.
That's not completely true, only the two lower locking screws are mounted to the (frame-mounted) hinges, but the upper ones are mounted through the guides which are part of the door assembly. But yes, it would have been nice if we could have had a look at the bottom hinges at least (if not yet removed for examination).
NTSB & Boeing the best couple they cover up every mkstake made by Boeing. Only need to bring big black suitcase full money to certificate the Aircraft. Aviation Industry is going down bc they hiring ppl without knowledge & Exp. both way Management and workers. The quality of production is worse everytime bc they dont care about quality onlt care about quantity. That why I step down from management bc I dont wanna get ordee from someone doesnt know the concept to build Aircraft. I hope boeing can resolve their issue and get back in track like before.
2 door plugs compromises the structural integrity of the fuselage. Low density or high density configuration is now irrelevant. This model/type may have to have its airworthiness certificate revoked. STC/modifications prohibitively expensive. A colossal blunder for the supplier(s), Boeing and it's operators.
The fuselage is OK, it the manner in which the plug is engineered that is the problem. It's not integral to the fuselage. In some ways this is similar to the Titan submersible that imploded. Something is very wrong with the engineering.
All I think is the people who stood up and screamed should be banned from ever flying again they put everyone else’s lives at risk the Japanese people got it right we Americans don’t
Try reading an NTSB report to get an idea of the things that they look at and analyze. Here they weren't just looking at the hole, but other factors of the accident: how did the oxygen masks deploy? did any of them malfunction? What does the damage in the area in the cabin tell us about the way in which the door came loose and what may have triggered it? How did the rest of the cabin perform in keeping passengers safe? Were there factors about how it was flown that may have caused it to occur when it did? All of those questions, while not central to the question of "how do we make door stay on plane?" can help improve safety going forward.
@@Mntlchaos You are not even close pal. What makes a bolt lose? Not just improper installation buster. What other bulkhead or plug areas have lose bolts? Ill tell you because you are as dumb as them. this cabin over pressurized many times and finally gave way. Likely other planes are doing it as well. Over pressurization cycling causes bolts to stretch and relax and eventually loosen by vibration, SO what caused over pressurization? Why didnt butterfly valves stop it? because they are under designed . Clearly more bleed air was entering then the butterfly could reduce Likely the bleed air system is freezing up and distorting the restrictor tube inner curvature causing it to not operate in airflow as it is supposed to. instead of restricting flow it is allowing more than normal flow after it get loaded with ice. How do I know. Because it was at altitude where freezing happens .
I recently heard that they did clear this plane to mainland commute only.....but NOT transiting to Hawaii.......to me, thats BS!!!! you never EVER fly any plane or jet to another location no matter what problems the planes have...
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Awesome that you guys publish B-roll like this so fast. Makes the public record so much clearer so much faster.
Where's the 4 bolts that secure the plug door? Any sign of them being there at all? Sheared?- we need an update...Thanks Jb
No doubt. Thanks for all you do for the community Juan.
EXACTLY? Need to justify their paychecks and turn it into a months long investigation with x-ray of all door hardware when if the bolts are missing it's pretty obvious!
United found 5 aircraft with loose bolts according to BBC. th-cam.com/video/WwTrPfZkpCs/w-d-xo.html
Juan did you notice that the rod flange bracket at the base of the left side of that door opening is still present with the rod on the incident aircraft?? That could imply that the photograph of another 737 max 9 that reveals those loose flange bracket bolts could be causative
NTSB investigators mentioned that back in DC they will be carefully examining the plug and other parts for evidence of locking bolts being present or not at the time of the incident. I believe they will be scanning for witness marks and other telltales left behind when the plug departed. If no such indicators are found, they may well conclude one or more bolts were not installed, or that the nuts were not properly locked with pins. If they get extremely lucky someone in Oregon will find a bolt on the ground.
Thank you for posting this! It's super interesting to see inside the investigation & watch the process in action. Sending you all the good luck & thankful that no one was seriously injured!
ntsb is the goat of government agencies
A shame that they were made toothless, and can only offer "recommendations".
@@francissager3133They wouldn't get the cooperation needed if parties had serious jeopardy. That's what makes them effective.
@@tpspc03 possibly, but it is frustrating to see the same recommendations made, and the agencies with authority take no action.
Also the Chemical Safety Board.
No, sorry the FAA is
Can only imagine what would have happened if the door failed at say 34000 ft or so and most people were no longer wearing their seatbelts.
Would’ve been a free skydiving trip.
@@tristantriton8115 Once in a lifetime guaranteed!
At cruising speed, the door could hit and rip off the stabilizers and cause the plane to lose control.
And a Lot more pressure difference.
Could have bend/broken the Floor and damaged wires and cables
Watch one aircraft disaters show on smithsonian channel, it did happen way higher up and a way larger piece flew off, a flight attendant was sucked out, passengers almost succumbe to wind, many bad rashes, and low oxygen, amazing story look it up this isnt the first time this has happened
Cool they show stuff like this. Thank you!
They wouldnt be if there was a fatality, how about things like this dont happen and we wouldnt have to worry
@2:13 and @2:32 Looks like there is also some severe panel distortion around the door plug located on the opposite (right) side of the cabin? How come no video/images showing the outside of the aircraft fuselage at this location?
Those panels are not a structural part of the fuselage instead it is just trim to hide wires and ventilation tubing.
Those inner panels are simple, light-weight cover parts with no other function than to hide the insulation and technical stuff behind. So after such a major air rush has occurred in this plane's cabin, it's absolutely normal that some of the panels might not sit straight anymore. But that's absolutely not an issue.
About 25 years ago I sat in a window seat of a B744 (SYD-BKK), when suddenly due to some thunderstorm turbulence over Java at night, the side panel next to me detached on top end and thus leaned against my shoulder and my seat. As most people were sleeping, I simply gave it a try and successfully clipped it back in place by myself. That's why I know these interior panels are very simple parts and will detach quite easily.
I work at Boeing company 6 years at Everett and Renton 737 4 years and I am ashamed of working there , BOEING NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATED AND HAVE CRIMINAL CHARGES . It’s soo crazy to work there when they hire people that don’t know anything . I am ashamed of working there .
My neice had worked there for a while and her supervisor (female) was always "on her case". My neice's title was an engineer......the only problem was (to what I kinda figured..) is that she was asian..... she probably coulda took it to the labor dept for discrimination but in her opinion, the board would only see Boeing's side.
Exactly, now you have the NTSB trying to cover up Boeing's mistakes it seems like. NTSB needs to share the real facts and someone needs to take responsibility.
Some questions: how does this work? I understand Spirit Aerosystems makes the parts of the fuselages. The parts with the exitdoors on the wings, that is clear. But this aft part after the wings. Is this common practice for Boeing to ask for these parts, and are they designated to be montaged behind the exitdoor-on-wing part?
Or did Spirit send these parts with a 'fake' door to Boeing by accident, for all 171 planes, and did Boeing-managers decide to have them montaged anyway to prevent the process from getting too much delays?
@warrenlowe676, It looks like the plug was held in with small clips. It's hard to tell from the video. They all are looking from a distance. Why isn't their nose in there where they can really examine it?
@@Dirk-van-den-Berg Spirit used to be Boeing Wichita until they were "spun off" 20 years ago by bean counters as a cost cutting exercise. Boeing is now a garbage company run by accountants and not engineers. They dodged a massvie bullet with this but I for one don't expect this screw up to be the last we've heard of the mess of the Max. They'll start dropping out of the sky again like the previous two fatal crashes.
Apparently only a 20 minute job to put the plug door in and install the bolts. Unfortunately, they started 15 minutes before lunch break.
And 45 minutes before the after lunch bong hit.
I don't see any substantial fasteners.
@@JoeLinux2000Most of the door stuff in airplanes relies on putting stuff there in a way that the cabin pressure holds it in place in addition to any fasteners. So, for example, in order for the door to physically fit through the door frame, it has to be pulled in and rotated first. The plug could very well work the same way, with it being bigger than the hole in its normal position. Then you only need a tiny screw that prevents it from being pulled in and rotated.
So not seeing anything substantial is no sign of anything being wrong. Also, it's not a vault with 3-inch steel walls, it's an airplane with a thin skin you could punch through from the outside while it's not pressurised.
Negligence or sabotage ?
@@zacky5315 Extra spicy lunch burrito keeps technician in the loo for the rest of the shift?
Would having an actual door installed have been better?
Maybe a little footage of the.... (or whats left of the ) lower hinge assys would be useful to see, won't really need a microscope there. .
There are a few pix on their Flicker - but they are overexposed, and just as bad
Looks like the hinges went with the surrounding panel. Only bits hanging out are the slide shute mounts.
Can't see any detail.
@cwmbc, There shouldn't be any hinges on a plug
There are 2 hinges at the bottom that allow for it to open for inspection. NTSB has posted a detailed diagram from Boeing @@JoeLinux2000
I’m curious to hear the status of the right side door plug. The damage to the interior around that door is telling- are there installation problems there too?
Has anyone noticed that the airplane safety cards in the back of the passenger seats are for a 737-8Max, not a 737-9Max? Look at 2:15 in this video.
it's partly covered, but it says "737-8MAX/9-MAX"
Makes you wonder what other potential safety issues there may be. In my view Boeing's quality control is highly suspect.
“Tip of the iceberg” according to a former employee.
it has been for for last 20 years !!
Why are some NTSB investigators using dedicated cameras to take pictures while other NTSB investigators are using their cell phones to take pictures?
Some of the most important people on the planet are in this video. And Clint Crookshanks is on the case!
Have the NTSB secured any CCTV & external photos of the aircraft on the ground in the days before the incident? Is there CCTV at the gate for example at the places it was flying from? Or anywhere it was moved for installation/maintenance. The door would likely have been raised (say 20mm by the lift assist springs) before pressurisation started. If it was anywhere near its normal alignment of door lug pins & door frame pads when pressurisation starts then it's unlikely anything will be able to shift it towards releasing in flight.
There would be a reasonable chance of seeing this 20mm gap at the bottom of the door, (or lack of gap at the top) even in a fairly poor camera angle, especially when there will be normal examples of the door to compare against.
It's about the only thing that would tell NTSB if it had been on the edge of the door blowing out for weeks or a couple of flights or only on this last flight. It appears it didn't stand out enough for the pilots to notice it on their walk around but they aren't looking for something like that.
The safety cards in the seat pockets say 737-8 Max. I'm sure they are the same.
They say “737-8MAX/9MAX”
FAA going to look into the 767-400 with a plug door also ? Prob don’t cross their minds
Where is the Transportation Secretary?
What I want to know is why Blake Shelton was on there inspecting things?😅
wow now i know how to take video of other people taking video a look at the door fixings would have revealed just too much at this stage i guess
Taking photos with phones?? - where are the full frame hi-res NIKON / CANON DSLRs ????
Alaska got some nice interior. Looks better then American
Yes, when it doesn't get ripped off and sucked outside the aircraft.
excellent ventilation
What row was that? I don't ever want to sit there. Maybe Alaska should buy some MD-80s.
Good luck getting those from the scrap yard haha
Honestly they would've liked flying the Airbus a320 Neo or the A350-1000
Row 26, wonder why it was vacant??
They did fly them but wait a minute. Didn't they crash one due to bad maintenance work on the tail??
The sound could have been better.
Thanks!
Hello, NTSB!
Safety Flight
BOEING 737 MAX 9 are Safety Flight?
"we need to look at it under a microscope" is the only answer these people could give in my opinion. Please for the sake of safety, share what actually happened and who should be blamed.
That is not NTSB mission; NTSB typically takes 1-2 year for investigations and put forward well researched final reports, with some shorter narrowly scoped preliminary reports in between.
Anyway either the door wasn’t bolted to the plane correctly in manufacturing, or it broke off. Since they have the door now it should be pretty easy to determine if it broke off or if it wasn’t bolted in place.
Blame? Leave that to the courts. The NTSB is about preventing repeats.
There was a known pressurization issue on the 737 max 9. That’s why it’s was not ETOPS certified. They allowed them continued to fly it regardless! This is a major failure of the FAA and Boeing all over again. We need to hold them accountable.
Alaska Airlines chose not to place it on ETOPS flights.
Yes it is a hole. And you are looking into it.
NTSB-Roll
Nobody mentions the 12 missing bolts around the perimeter if the door plug. Along with the 4 corners that is 16 missing bolts
bad design, there should one bolt on each tab! there is not much holding that plug
Clearly the door was most likely not tested to the required pressure after it was installed..
might have passed a pre-flight test before any bumps knocked the pads out of alignment
Come on now ! Do you think all the car companies test each car as it comes off the line? Really
testing doesn't cover everything
Along with the perimeter of the plug, there are 16 missing bolts
Why did Hawaiian stop 1282's flights over the Pacific & why weren't they seating next to the plug? They obviously knew something.
1:57 - Masks that didn't drop?
some passengers stuffed them back inside
@@collectorguy3919 Yeah, that was in later NTSB briefing. Glad they pursued it though.
The altitude wasn't high enough to need them.
This is what happens when you have a workforce more concerned with what's happening with their phone then performing their professional job duties excuse me I shouldn't have used the word professional.
Think you should be looking at Boeing more than the work force
One investigator had a real camera. The rest used their cellphones.
This video is just for show. Hardly anyone is taking an up close look.
cell phones have better rsolution than most cameras.
This is video of a first walk-through. There is one person who has the job of documenting everything before it is touched by the investigators, and there are plenty of people whose job it is to get a first impression of what they will be investigating over the next 12 to 36 months. The former will take high-quality photos, and the latter will use whatever they like to use for their notes.
Footage showing the NTSB overwriting the CVR.
Same folks involved in the TWA FLIGHT 800 Coverup
All your men behave as Landon when they land?
Remove the seats so you can get in there and take a proper look at it. I see at the end of the video you did. From my perspective it's very poor engineering similar to the the FIU bridge that collapsed right after it was put over the road, killing around seven. You all can thank God this didn't lead to many more deaths.
There are a lot of we'll say.... "unique" bridges in Florida that are built similarly to FIU; there's one very close to where I live where it's encouraged for pedestrians and golf cart users to use that is /intended/ to rust to look "antique" (and was designed to rust quickly to achieve that look ), is very thin, goes over about 7 lanes of traffic with no support pillars, and each end is "supported" by small columns of, wait for it...."natural sandstone".
Oh....and the traffic lanes that it goes over, are quite busy, too. :D
The FAA is late again, just like with the Ethiopean Max8.
Don't forget the troubles with the 787 also
NTSB should investigate the implications of DEI on accidents
So the same problem on both sides.
The right side plug did not fail, but it would be prudent to check that side as well. Distortion of the panel liner could be an indication of a developing problem.
@@christopherrobinson7541 I am amazed at those loose bolts, only a normal washer it seems and no locking thread at the front which would prevent a bolt from turning loose.
Ik makes me wonder if this only goes for the plug door or are all the doors subject to this same problem. A few weeks ago loose bolts or even missing bots in the rudder system.
Trust me, I know this sort of thing is RARE! BUT, this is why I DO NOT like to fly. I understand that driving has more risks, BUT at least I am in control of the steering wheel! I recently drove across the USA from Hartford to Seattle and back, and I enjoyed every mile of the drive - with no incidents!
However you don't control the steering wheel of the other cars near you, and you don't control the mechanics who serviced your car.
@@yuanheli307 Yes I do consider myself. I am in CONTROL and totally aware of my surroundings. Those of us who go through an entire lifetime without killing ourselves behind the wheel are PAYING ATTENTION TO OUR DRIVING... WTF ARE YOU DOING? I would HATE to have you driving BEHIND me....
A structural failure like this is completely unacceptable.
@@FunTowerRadio say that again when yo go through a green light at a crossroads and suddenly get T-Boned by a drunk driver who went through the red light. Do you have any control of that?
@@tomstravels520 peripheral vision. Try it sometime.
Non-union supplier! Right to work state, Right to keep your mouth shut = Right to keep your job! Personally I've worked for Boeing, I worked for a contractor that built weld assemblies for the C-17. They did not purge their titanium weld assemblies! Hey Boeing, If a titanium weld assembly is wired brushed or sandblasted, THERE'S A REASON WHY! Our C-17 "Welding engineer" at Boeing had ever never struck an arc!
People in high-vis vests standing around taking pictures with their cell phones. And others wearing high-vis vests and looking at other people in high-vis vests taking pictures with their cell phones. The aircraft is outside, exposed in the rain. It doesn't look professional. It looks more... "we'll put some B-roll on TH-cam so they can see we're taking it seriously".
When police find a body outside do they move it indoors before taking photos and evidence? Also doing it outside gives you much more light than in a hangar. Today's cell phones actually provide very good quality especially as it's a camera and video camera in one and modern phones can also do macro shots. Saves needing multiple specialist cameras until you take stuff back to the lab.
Why don't you go there then and do it better than them?
More than one person died
I think something else got sucked out if that window... why were the adjacent seats vacant is too much coincidence.
If those bolts were found still attached to the door, houston we have a problem
It actually was a coincidence. On some flights I took, I was in the aisleseat, and both seats next to me were empty. But I always ask for an exitseat because of my long legs.
What bolts?
The locking bolts are (supposed to be) attached to the door frame assembly, part of the hull - not the door (plug).
That's why I am screaming here "SHOW ME A CORRECTLY EXPOSED SHOT OF THE LOCKING BOLTS!!!" Or the holes they were supposed to occupy. These are all still in-place in the door frame.
That's not completely true, only the two lower locking screws are mounted to the (frame-mounted) hinges, but the upper ones are mounted through the guides which are part of the door assembly.
But yes, it would have been nice if we could have had a look at the bottom hinges at least (if not yet removed for examination).
@@alexandergrieser4552 Yes, saw it elsewhere. You are right.
NTSB & Boeing the best couple they cover up every mkstake made by Boeing. Only need to bring big black suitcase full money to certificate the Aircraft. Aviation Industry is going down bc they hiring ppl without knowledge & Exp. both way Management and workers. The quality of production is worse everytime bc they dont care about quality onlt care about quantity.
That why I step down from management bc I dont wanna get ordee from someone doesnt know the concept to build Aircraft.
I hope boeing can resolve their issue and get back in track like before.
2 door plugs compromises the structural integrity of the fuselage. Low density or high density configuration is now irrelevant. This model/type may have to have its airworthiness certificate revoked. STC/modifications prohibitively expensive. A colossal blunder for the supplier(s), Boeing and it's operators.
The fuselage is OK, it the manner in which the plug is engineered that is the problem. It's not integral to the fuselage. In some ways this is similar to the Titan submersible that imploded. Something is very wrong with the engineering.
Except that the fuselage DIDN'T FAIL, the plug came detached.
LOL, no worries bud, the B737 can easily take it, haven't you seen Aloha 243?
All I think is the people who stood up and screamed should be banned from ever flying again they put everyone else’s lives at risk the Japanese people got it right we Americans don’t
what the heck are you talking about!
They are not even looking at the right things
Try reading an NTSB report to get an idea of the things that they look at and analyze. Here they weren't just looking at the hole, but other factors of the accident: how did the oxygen masks deploy? did any of them malfunction? What does the damage in the area in the cabin tell us about the way in which the door came loose and what may have triggered it? How did the rest of the cabin perform in keeping passengers safe? Were there factors about how it was flown that may have caused it to occur when it did? All of those questions, while not central to the question of "how do we make door stay on plane?" can help improve safety going forward.
@@Mntlchaos You are not even close pal. What makes a bolt lose? Not just improper installation buster. What other bulkhead or plug areas have lose bolts? Ill tell you because you are as dumb as them. this cabin over pressurized many times and finally gave way. Likely other planes are doing it as well. Over pressurization cycling causes bolts to stretch and relax and eventually loosen by vibration, SO what caused over pressurization? Why didnt butterfly valves stop it? because they are under designed . Clearly more bleed air was entering then the butterfly could reduce Likely the bleed air system is freezing up and distorting the restrictor tube inner curvature causing it to not operate in airflow as it is supposed to. instead of restricting flow it is allowing more than normal flow after it get loaded with ice. How do I know. Because it was at altitude where freezing happens .
NTSB too hold accountable for this along with Boeing . How come they cleared this fleet is fit to Fly .
Wrong agency, NTSB only investigate after an accident. The FAA is the agency that approves aircraft for flight.
I recently heard that they did clear this plane to mainland commute only.....but NOT transiting to Hawaii.......to me, thats BS!!!! you never EVER fly any plane or jet to another location no matter what problems the planes have...
why not also as the FAA>?
Did bolts make in China?