Apparently, this wreckage is going to be destroyed shortly. I think it should be kept. Seeing the real thing has to be better for training investigators than looking at CGI on a screen.
As harrowing as it is, keeping the wreckage as it is and housing it in, say, The National Air and Space Museum can help the public learn more about what the NTSB does, improve aerospace engineering, and educate all on what actually happened to TWA Flight 800. The more people learn; the better.
@@markwilson3723 No it doesn't. The families of the victims had the final say that it would never go on public display so it was recycled and what could not be recycled was destroyed and/or put in a landfill.
With all due respect to the victims of this event, I believe there would be incredible training value still left in this airframe. Nothing teaches a student than being able to view, touch, smell, etc what they have been researching during their studies. The knowledge reinforcement is huge.
@@_byzzer3228 That’s not the same as running your hands over the skin to feel the textures of overstress fractures, blast damage, scorching, and explosive residue. It doesn’t have the same impact as actually getting to look at and touch the physical wreckage, and it never will.
@@_byzzer3228 Also, the AAIB still have the wreckage of _Clipper Maid of the Seas_ (PanAm Flight 103) from Lockerbie assembled, though currently in several pieces at a few different sites around the UK. They’re keeping it as evidence and a teaching too. Are _they_ wasting space too?
This video. even after all these years, I remain saddened the lives lost and the families that were devastated. I'm glad it will be dismantled and destroyed and not displayed. Watching this and seeing pictures over the years affects me terribly, to see the very windows and seats these poor people sat in and looked out of when happiness turned to horror.
I disagree. As uncomfortable as it is, it's reality. As a public safety and disaster response professional who has seen the absolute worst that the world has to offer humanity, I can't erase the trauma of those visions and neither can you. Frankly, I'm tired of us as a society not showing these realities and those such as war and famine. The 9/11 memorial and museum is incredibly painful for me personally as well, yet I've served the foundation for many years. There we show ever aspect and detail, the only thing missing is human remains. Such traumatic life experiences never go away, it's how we cope with it that determines our outcome. For this very reason, I refuse to use the term "closure" when working with families -- Closure is bulls*t, it doesn't exist. We never forget those we love and how they were tragically lost. This reconstruction is not a display in glorifying the lives lost, rather it shows the true infallibility and imperfections of human existence. To recognize that, is to recognize and acknowledge humility and learn from it. Such a display encourages us to be the very best we can be moving forward. Life is short and life is a perpetual learning experience.
@@timeairhistoricalsociety I actually never noticed the name. I assumed perhaps they knew someone involved with the investigation or the storage facility. If they had actually been an eyewitness to the tragedy that would be even more surreal.
I think part of the story the public got was censored to reduce fear of just how bad the explosion was. Looking at the pieces this plane didn't just separate into two pieces. It was blown apart violently. The explosion tore those pieces into the size that they were. The impact on the water or the decent using going to tear a plane into pieces like that. The exploding fuel tank did that.
I cannot count the number of times I flew on this very aircraft on the same NY to Paris route. Old 3 hole 747. The interior was not the best of shape in businnes and 1st class. Lose panels and seat backs. Ready for retirement. I remember one flight where we were delayed departing because of a sensor problemon an engine and then we had to turn back mid-ocean when they had to shut down one engine because of an oil pressure issue. Just lucky that I was not on this flight.
@@johannesbols57The upper deck of the 747-100 originally had 3 windows on each side. By the time this aircraft was manufactured, Boeing changed it to a 10 window on each side configuration. But TWA, already having a few three window 747s, decided they like the three window look better, so they put window plugs on all but the three windows on each side.
It's really a shame this wasn't preserved. Look at the preservation of Itavia Flight 870, where the public can pay respect and it be a monument to the victims. Destroying this TWA 747 was destroying the memory of the lost souls.
Not the first time the navy cia or terrorists have taken down a civilian airliner.. fbi finds high explosive residue and then back pedals. Explosion from the fuel tank or any other theory I don’t think we the public will ever know what really happened.
@@richmiller9844 its hard to believe that. My own house AC unit has an overheat breaker on it as does every AC unit. It's difficult to believe that an airliner would not and allow it to get so hot as to ignite a fuel tank 210c. I'm not saying it's impossible just difficult to believe especially with all the circuit breakers airliners have and all the warning systems.
If this was a missile than whey did the FAA mandate that aircraft manuacturers had to install fuel tank inerting systems in all aircarft. Simple system that removes oxygen down to a level where a fire cannot burn. I was an engineer on the AH-64 Apache and we install this system on the helicopter back in 1980. It is the reverse of the system that generates oxygen rich air to the pilots of fixed wing fighter aircraft. Onboard Oxygen Generating System (OBOGS) versus OBIGGS. Onboard Inert Gas Generating System.
Has the NTSB started taking notes, voice and video of eye witnesses of accidents? Or, are they still just winging it when it come to eye witness accounts and listening but not writing anything down, no notes, no audio, no video. I though that was crazy that NTSB investigators didn't take any notes of eye witness accounts during the TWA800 investigation. Hey, could someone at the NTSB explain to US all, why NTSB investigators were not free to take notes?
The cause was not electrical over arching or any such thing. It was a missile launched in error by one of the armed forces to combat a perceived terrorist threat.
No it wasn’t . If it was then drop the details and how you know them. Saying that certain people saw what they said was a missile before hand isn’t evidence for a whole conspiracy either. In every accident people will say they have seen things that simply didn’t happen, not out of malice but simply because in the panic of the moment they were swept up in it. You can find reports of conflicting witnesses from almost every crash that is witnessed, but that is not reason to doubt the finial report
@@nemom225 Yes it was. I recommend you watch the documentary TWA Flight 800 by Kristina Borjesson and Tom Stalcup. Plenty of details on why this was a missile hit. You say it was "certain" people that said they saw a missile. It wasn't certain people. Hundreds of people who don't know each other, who were in the vicinity of the accident, all saw the same thing. There were no inconsistencies in their stories. Your claim that after a person witnesses a traumatic event says they saw things they really didn't is ridiculous. Panic doesn't make you forget what you saw or experienced. Has it happened? Sure! But to hundreds of people in ONE incident?! No way! It's any wonder that the NTSB didn't conduct ANY of the witness interviews in this particular accident, the FBI did. The NTSB always conducts their own interviews. The FBI taking the lead in this investigation to begin with, really tells you a lot. That's why we have the NTSB, but they were pushed aside and it's all very telling. Don't ignore the signs. Don't believe everything you've been told, by the FBI and the top officials in the NTSB. You and a lot of other people have been deceived my friend.
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Apparently, this wreckage is going to be destroyed shortly. I think it should be kept. Seeing the real thing has to be better for training investigators than looking at CGI on a screen.
That's obviously true but like it is with most things, it is probably economically prohibitive to keep using that space.
That's right, here's the announcement: www.ntsb.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/NR20210222.aspx
As harrowing as it is, keeping the wreckage as it is and housing it in, say, The National Air and Space Museum can help the public learn more about what the NTSB does, improve aerospace engineering, and educate all on what actually happened to TWA Flight 800. The more people learn; the better.
It belongs in an aerospace museum
@@markwilson3723 No it doesn't. The families of the victims had the final say that it would never go on public display so it was recycled and what could not be recycled was destroyed and/or put in a landfill.
With all due respect to the victims of this event, I believe there would be incredible training value still left in this airframe. Nothing teaches a student than being able to view, touch, smell, etc what they have been researching during their studies. The knowledge reinforcement is huge.
It has been carefully mapped and photographed over the past 20 years, the wreckage is just wasting space now.
@@_byzzer3228 That’s not the same as running your hands over the skin to feel the textures of overstress fractures, blast damage, scorching, and explosive residue. It doesn’t have the same impact as actually getting to look at and touch the physical wreckage, and it never will.
@@_byzzer3228 Also, the AAIB still have the wreckage of _Clipper Maid of the Seas_ (PanAm Flight 103) from Lockerbie assembled, though currently in several pieces at a few different sites around the UK. They’re keeping it as evidence and a teaching too. Are _they_ wasting space too?
i wonder if the parts smell of human decay, considering that a lot lives were lost even before hitting the ocean
@@wellbeing2193 doubtful, it was in the sea for some time. Even if there were remains, they would have sanitised those parts that had any
This video. even after all these years, I remain saddened the lives lost and the families that were devastated. I'm glad it will be dismantled and destroyed and not displayed. Watching this and seeing pictures over the years affects me terribly, to see the very windows and seats these poor people sat in and looked out of when happiness turned to horror.
I disagree. As uncomfortable as it is, it's reality. As a public safety and disaster response professional who has seen the absolute worst that the world has to offer humanity, I can't erase the trauma of those visions and neither can you. Frankly, I'm tired of us as a society not showing these realities and those such as war and famine. The 9/11 memorial and museum is incredibly painful for me personally as well, yet I've served the foundation for many years. There we show ever aspect and detail, the only thing missing is human remains. Such traumatic life experiences never go away, it's how we cope with it that determines our outcome. For this very reason, I refuse to use the term "closure" when working with families -- Closure is bulls*t, it doesn't exist. We never forget those we love and how they were tragically lost.
This reconstruction is not a display in glorifying the lives lost, rather it shows the true infallibility and imperfections of human existence. To recognize that, is to recognize and acknowledge humility and learn from it. Such a display encourages us to be the very best we can be moving forward. Life is short and life is a perpetual learning experience.
Keep the wreckage ! their is not a better training class room than this reconstruction, its also a memorial, keep it intact !
There’s no reason to keep it anymore.
It’s just as surreal to see it on video as it was to see it in person.
How were you able to see it in person?
@@jtveg With the name "CrazyPilot757", I would surmise that he/she may have been flying in the proximity, when the tragic accident happened.
@@timeairhistoricalsociety
I actually never noticed the name. I assumed perhaps they knew someone involved with the investigation or the storage facility.
If they had actually been an eyewitness to the tragedy that would be even more surreal.
John Thimakis A few years ago I was able to go on a tour of the facility set up by my local CAP unit.
Flying through TIME Actually no, that’s just a name I’ve created ‘cause I’ve had this account since I was a younger kid, and I’ve never changed it.
its like a giant jigsaw puzzle...talk about talented people who did this
One of the more horrific air crashes of the 1990's. I think of it every time I fly.
I think part of the story the public got was censored to reduce fear of just how bad the explosion was. Looking at the pieces this plane didn't just separate into two pieces. It was blown apart violently. The explosion tore those pieces into the size that they were. The impact on the water or the decent using going to tear a plane into pieces like that. The exploding fuel tank did that.
puzzle and model airplane blding to a whole new level...
🙏❤R.I.P ❤🙏
I cannot count the number of times I flew on this very aircraft on the same NY to Paris route. Old 3 hole 747. The interior was not the best of shape in businnes and 1st class. Lose panels and seat backs. Ready for retirement. I remember one flight where we were delayed departing because of a sensor problemon an engine and then we had to turn back mid-ocean when they had to shut down one engine because of an oil pressure issue. Just lucky that I was not on this flight.
3 hole? What are you talking about?
@@johannesbols57The upper deck of the 747-100 originally had 3 windows on each side. By the time this aircraft was manufactured, Boeing changed it to a 10 window on each side configuration. But TWA, already having a few three window 747s, decided they like the three window look better, so they put window plugs on all but the three windows on each side.
It's should be Kept for training.
It's really a shame this wasn't preserved. Look at the preservation of Itavia Flight 870, where the public can pay respect and it be a monument to the victims. Destroying this TWA 747 was destroying the memory of the lost souls.
Haben die da wirklich noch das originale Wrack rumstehn - wow
Don't scrap it.
Lakshmi ❤ do you love this this is how a airline crash
Was the cause of TWA FLT 800 really an overheated fuel pump in an empty tank?
Easier to believe, than the outrageous conspiracy theory claim that the CIA blew it up with a stinger missle…
@@J.Tronix Is it?
Not the first time the navy cia or terrorists have taken down a civilian airliner.. fbi finds high explosive residue and then back pedals. Explosion from the fuel tank or any other theory I don’t think we the public will ever know what really happened.
Over heated AC unit under fuel tank
@@richmiller9844 its hard to believe that. My own house AC unit has an overheat breaker on it as does every AC unit. It's difficult to believe that an airliner would not and allow it to get so hot as to ignite a fuel tank 210c. I'm not saying it's impossible just difficult to believe especially with all the circuit breakers airliners have and all the warning systems.
Rebuild it
As a cousin of a famous actress said to me, "Planes don't just fall out of the sky."
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If this was a missile than whey did the FAA mandate that aircraft manuacturers had to install fuel tank inerting systems in all aircarft. Simple system that removes oxygen down to a level where a fire cannot burn. I was an engineer on the AH-64 Apache and we install this system on the helicopter back in 1980. It is the reverse of the system that generates oxygen rich air to the pilots of fixed wing fighter aircraft. Onboard Oxygen Generating System (OBOGS) versus OBIGGS. Onboard Inert Gas Generating System.
Has the NTSB started taking notes, voice and video of eye witnesses of accidents? Or, are they still just winging it when it come to eye witness accounts and listening but not writing anything down, no notes, no audio, no video. I though that was crazy that NTSB investigators didn't take any notes of eye witness accounts during the TWA800 investigation. Hey, could someone at the NTSB explain to US all, why NTSB investigators were not free to take notes?
The cause was not electrical over arching or any such thing. It was a missile launched in error by one of the armed forces to combat a perceived terrorist threat.
No it wasn’t . If it was then drop the details and how you know them. Saying that certain people saw what they said was a missile before hand isn’t evidence for a whole conspiracy either. In every accident people will say they have seen things that simply didn’t happen, not out of malice but simply because in the panic of the moment they were swept up in it. You can find reports of conflicting witnesses from almost every crash that is witnessed, but that is not reason to doubt the finial report
Stop with the conspiracy garbage already. It was an accident.
When a ship fires a missile……Everybody on the ship knows they fired a missile. No way in hell could that many people keep a secret like that.
@@nemom225 Yes it was. I recommend you watch the documentary TWA Flight 800 by Kristina Borjesson and Tom Stalcup. Plenty of details on why this was a missile hit. You say it was "certain" people that said they saw a missile. It wasn't certain people. Hundreds of people who don't know each other, who were in the vicinity of the accident, all saw the same thing. There were no inconsistencies in their stories. Your claim that after a person witnesses a traumatic event says they saw things they really didn't is ridiculous. Panic doesn't make you forget what you saw or experienced. Has it happened? Sure! But to hundreds of people in ONE incident?! No way! It's any wonder that the NTSB didn't conduct ANY of the witness interviews in this particular accident, the FBI did. The NTSB always conducts their own interviews. The FBI taking the lead in this investigation to begin with, really tells you a lot. That's why we have the NTSB, but they were pushed aside and it's all very telling. Don't ignore the signs. Don't believe everything you've been told, by the FBI and the top officials in the NTSB. You and a lot of other people have been deceived my friend.
@@redcat9436 It's not conspiracy garbage. This was covered up. You really have no idea. You're just following the rest of the dumb sheep.
Center fuel tank wiring , I think not.