When I did a " sign and drive" promotion at car show... we drove SS 50th convertible ( amaaaaaazing) it's the reason I got a SS.. but, the GM guy showing the car opened the hood and said " fist thing, take that junk stock airbox out and get a air charger kit!" Lol... I have done that to every car I own for 20 years but it was good to hear him say it! It doesn't hurt anything. It helps throttle & sounds amazing! It is a bummer GM didn't throw in a higher HP tune. 😞Thanks for vid.
LethalGarage I agree brother... we don't even have emissions regulations here in AL, so it's a shame. I really enjoy your videos by the way! I know it takes a lot of time to do them.. thanks, I know we all enjoy them!
i got my CAI by CAI last year after your video and I heard rumors about how GM was gonna use CAI to make theirs but wow it took so much time. so, I wouldn't have to worry about voiding warranty with my CAI :)
Matt, another great video !!! I have a 5th Gen, but I always watch your vids just to learn stuff about the newer Camaros. Hope your family is doing well and Happy Father's Day bro !!!
Hey Matt great video as usual. Now that GM has finally released the cold air intake, looking back if you had to choose between the GM(cold air inductions) CAI or the Roto fab, which would you use?
I'm curious about intake manifolds what's good? what's trusted? I know MSD has their Air Force and some other companies have their models. For me personally I would just go full exhaust with headers a cold air intake and a manifold but videos on installs out there on manifolds for the 6 gen's are pretty much hard to find if any, would like to learn more on it 🙏 plus a tune to top it all off
GM makes a great stock one. If you have a cam and headers or supercharger then a larger throttle body and intake may help make some added HP. Not saying it won't help any, just not a bang for your buck mod.
What me and others are doing are either buying the MSD intake or having the stock intake manifold ported. Which one is for you all depends on your build and what you are trying to accomplish. However, both are proven effective options. The positive about the MSD manifold is that it gains about 40 whp (on a NA engine with a tune) at the very top of the powerband. It also allows you to increase your rev limiter so that you can rev out longer and enjoy the top end gains. Also, you have the option of putting a bigger throttle body on the MSD if you so choose The negative about the MSD is that you lose low\mid rage trq on most NA engines with basic bolt-ons. However, there is a guy named Brett (aka Pray) who is porting the MSD manifolds to great results and mostly negating the negatives of the MSD while enhancing the positives. The second option (what I had done) is getting your stock manifold ported. The positive is that it is about 600 dollars less expensive to get your stock ported over buying a MSD. Also, performance wise you gain power (about 15-20) throughout the entire powerband. Power gains can be seen even on a otherwise stock engine as well. The negative about the ported IM is that it still falls flat on its face at the top of the power band and you don't gain the same top end power as you would on the MSD.
Torian Richardson is it falling flat because of valve float or running out of air? I'd say stock springs is a more likely culprit. But then again without seeing any Dyno results it's hard to say.
There is a much more detailed explanation on the Camaro 6 forums. However, the most likely explanation is that it is simply running out of air at the higher RPM's (Above 6000). If you think about it the springs can't be the factor because in tests between the two manifolds, the only change was the manifold itself. The MSD manifold is flowing more air than stock (or even stock ported). There is also a good explanation on why the MSD loses down low on the forums as well. However, at my current power level and because I don't spend much time over 6k rpm the stock ported is working great for me. If I was FI or cams\heads I would also probably go to the ported MSD manifold.
+David E if you plan to go FI save the $1000 and don't get a IM. Overall the MSD system extended the power band in the upper rpm range, but it requires a tune to dial it in. You also loose low end power.
I've called several dealers and they don't know shit about this product and they have not heard of it, difficult to get answers from them. I live in Florida and Iam thinking of just installing it and not getting it tuned. Don't know what to do.
For my 5th Gen ZL1, I installed the RF basically for looks, the stock air box looks like it came off of a Honda Accord, which is embarrassing by GM...any performance gains is a plus in my book. So I would say the same for the newer Camaros.
People are stupid about warranties. Keep your factory airbox and tube and put it back on if you ever need warranty work done. Its funny some are afraid to get a simple cold air intake for "fear" of voiding warranty. Those are the people who cant do it themselves and need someone to install it for them.
GonzoTwn while that's true you can, it would get kinda old each time you have to go in to the dealer to put it back to stock. And while most dealers shouldn't care, I would be still afraid it would turn into a big argument
GonzoTwn Dude the way the computers are in cars now as soon as you mod anything the computer shoots a code saying this was adjusted and your warranty is over. Look at the guy with the hellcat that had a known issue that got vin tagged and warranty voided for a air intake. Hell I can't put in a catch can due to the dealer I use saying it's a void. They agree it's dumb but thems the rules lol
It completely makes sense that GM would have someone else engineer the cai. Why waste your own highly skilled engineer's time redoing what they already did for the stock set up. Let them work on bigger problems for 2018 and beyond. Especially when companies have already made amazing cai set ups for you. I love my Roto-Fab. Wouldn't drive with out it now.
I think GM will void your warranty because you did not get it tuned. I thought the dealer was supposed to do the install for free to the customer and charge GM with the code in the instruction.
When I did a " sign and drive" promotion at car show... we drove SS 50th convertible ( amaaaaaazing) it's the reason I got a SS.. but, the GM guy showing the car opened the hood and said " fist thing, take that junk stock airbox out and get a air charger kit!" Lol... I have done that to every car I own for 20 years but it was good to hear him say it! It doesn't hurt anything. It helps throttle & sounds amazing! It is a bummer GM didn't throw in a higher HP tune. 😞Thanks for vid.
+Jay jay dynomite I have a feeling emissions killed the true dream of this device
LethalGarage I agree brother... we don't even have emissions regulations here in AL, so it's a shame. I really enjoy your videos by the way! I know it takes a lot of time to do them.. thanks, I know we all enjoy them!
+Jay jay dynomite Thanks man. Loving making them
Jay jay dynomite and
Glad finally got some more info on this but now I have answers for people when they ask ! Thanks Matt & Happy Father's day
+GOTSS2GO Glad I could help. Also, Thanks
I put your video on the gen6 buy sell swap page on Facebook to clarify any questions was a lot of concerns on it since I put it up on the page
+GOTSS2GO thanks man
i got my CAI by CAI last year after your video and I heard rumors about how GM was gonna use CAI to make theirs but wow it took so much time. so, I wouldn't have to worry about voiding warranty with my CAI :)
I got the notification for this video and I had to head here immediately.
+That Racing Dude ;)
rotofab or this lethal? most power?
+Cory Kilpatrick my test put Roto-Fab in front
Nicolas Melia any notice in the power gain and sound ?
Didn’t you do a dyno review of various CAIs and determined rotofab was the best? I can’t find the link, wanted to watch it. Any help? Thx.
Matt, another great video !!! I have a 5th Gen, but I always watch your vids just to learn stuff about the newer Camaros. Hope your family is doing well and Happy Father's Day bro !!!
+Mr1troyd thanks man
Great video! I have the V6 so I'm gonna look into the the GM cold air intake or maybe the K&N cold air intake.
+JayyNation I have a video on the V6 version
Hey Lethal, any news how this compares to Roto-Fab? Since its identical to CAI I would think Roto-Fab is still better.
+Christopher Rivero Roto-Fab in my testing put down a little more power
LethalGarage How much more power? What were the numbers for each intake?
Matt, Where did you get the anti whistle set up "I have this in my drawer"? My CAI intake did not come with the throttle body anti whistle pieces ect.
+Tim Foreman it came from Cold Air Inductions
Hey Matt great video as usual. Now that GM has finally released the cold air intake, looking back if you had to choose between the GM(cold air inductions) CAI or the Roto fab, which would you use?
+Sergio Moreira I like Roto-Fab
LethalGarage thanks! Going to go with the RF now that I know what GM has to offer and I'm in MA so no tune for me :( haha Happy Fathers Matt!
I'm curious about intake manifolds what's good? what's trusted? I know MSD has their Air Force and some other companies have their models. For me personally I would just go full exhaust with headers a cold air intake and a manifold but videos on installs out there on manifolds for the 6 gen's are pretty much hard to find if any, would like to learn more on it 🙏 plus a tune to top it all off
GM makes a great stock one. If you have a cam and headers or supercharger then a larger throttle body and intake may help make some added HP. Not saying it won't help any, just not a bang for your buck mod.
What me and others are doing are either buying the MSD intake or having the stock intake manifold ported. Which one is for you all depends on your build and what you are trying to accomplish. However, both are proven effective options.
The positive about the MSD manifold is that it gains about 40 whp (on a NA engine with a tune) at the very top of the powerband. It also allows you to increase your rev limiter so that you can rev out longer and enjoy the top end gains. Also, you have the option of putting a bigger throttle body on the MSD if you so choose The negative about the MSD is that you lose low\mid rage trq on most NA engines with basic bolt-ons. However, there is a guy named Brett (aka Pray) who is porting the MSD manifolds to great results and mostly negating the negatives of the MSD while enhancing the positives.
The second option (what I had done) is getting your stock manifold ported. The positive is that it is about 600 dollars less expensive to get your stock ported over buying a MSD. Also, performance wise you gain power (about 15-20) throughout the entire powerband. Power gains can be seen even on a otherwise stock engine as well. The negative about the ported IM is that it still falls flat on its face at the top of the power band and you don't gain the same top end power as you would on the MSD.
Torian Richardson is it falling flat because of valve float or running out of air? I'd say stock springs is a more likely culprit. But then again without seeing any Dyno results it's hard to say.
There is a much more detailed explanation on the Camaro 6 forums. However, the most likely explanation is that it is simply running out of air at the higher RPM's (Above 6000). If you think about it the springs can't be the factor because in tests between the two manifolds, the only change was the manifold itself. The MSD manifold is flowing more air than stock (or even stock ported). There is also a good explanation on why the MSD loses down low on the forums as well. However, at my current power level and because I don't spend much time over 6k rpm the stock ported is working great for me. If I was FI or cams\heads I would also probably go to the ported MSD manifold.
+David E if you plan to go FI save the $1000 and don't get a IM. Overall the MSD system extended the power band in the upper rpm range, but it requires a tune to dial it in. You also loose low end power.
I've called several dealers and they don't know shit about this product and they have not heard of it, difficult to get answers from them. I live in Florida and Iam thinking of just installing it and not getting it tuned. Don't know what to do.
Happy Fathers Day Lethal
+Johnte' Payne Thank you
So gm has a tune for this system that can be flashed by the dealer?
Yes.
@@Lethalgarage but you dont really need it?, what about on a ZL1
I have the K&N on mine and it has the whistling sound . can you buy the spacer by its self if so do you know the part #.
Not sure they sell it separately, but I am sure you can call and ask CAI.
My dealer is a boss, they never hassle me about anything and cover all my add-ons I had dealer installed.
+King A. Lion nice
@lethalgarage How much does your horse and torque increases with adding this?
Zero
@@Lethalgarage thank you
Do you still make more hp with the intake on? Even though the tune doesnt do anything?
+SenorSwagBuns yes
fyi i have heard that there was a gain on performance and sound.
+Redzone from Dyno results I have seen... no gain in power with the tune. But you do gain power from the simple bolt-on
Curious where you seen a dyno of the with and without tune?
+Mr Chevelle I have made a lot of internet camaro friends who test things out faster than I can.
Is there anything legal for a 5th gen camaro?
+Herb Lopez71 Fairly sure the Cold Air Inductions setup for the 5th Gen is Carb legal
Sounds to me like the Roto Fab works better overall.
+King Keston I prefer it, but this will keep you in the GM graces.
So no more procharger?
I very much have a ProCharger still.
LethalGarage yeah i just saw the video where is being installed on cornfed i guess, so i figured heheh thanks for reply, love the channel, best wishes
Why install this for $400ish if it does nothing on the dyno?
For my 5th Gen ZL1, I installed the RF basically for looks, the stock air box looks like it came off of a Honda Accord, which is embarrassing by GM...any performance gains is a plus in my book. So I would say the same for the newer Camaros.
+Jason Paspalis you will gain about 10rwhp just bolting it on.
Plus if you do get a tune the cold intake will give you more potential of the tune.
nice unit! what's the part number?
Linked in the description
People are stupid about warranties. Keep your factory airbox and tube and put it back on if you ever need warranty work done. Its funny some are afraid to get a simple cold air intake for "fear" of voiding warranty. Those are the people who cant do it themselves and need someone to install it for them.
GonzoTwn while that's true you can, it would get kinda old each time you have to go in to the dealer to put it back to stock. And while most dealers shouldn't care, I would be still afraid it would turn into a big argument
The air intake already pulls in cool air. I put a K&N filter on mine. I'll probably put a CAI but for looks only.
+GonzoTwn Fairly true
+Quix How do you do that? ;)
GonzoTwn
Dude the way the computers are in cars now as soon as you mod anything the computer shoots a code saying this was adjusted and your warranty is over. Look at the guy with the hellcat that had a known issue that got vin tagged and warranty voided for a air intake. Hell I can't put in a catch can due to the dealer I use saying it's a void. They agree it's dumb but thems the rules lol
Finally!
It completely makes sense that GM would have someone else engineer the cai. Why waste your own highly skilled engineer's time redoing what they already did for the stock set up. Let them work on bigger problems for 2018 and beyond. Especially when companies have already made amazing cai set ups for you. I love my Roto-Fab. Wouldn't drive with out it now.
Any body knows of a all motor shop for the 5th gen
What state?
I think GM will void your warranty because you did not get it tuned. I thought the dealer was supposed to do the install for free to the customer and charge GM with the code in the instruction.
+J Cunningham the tune is not required
I know the car doesn't require it but do the instructions say that?
You need a tip up carry knife sir.
I love it very good
Thanks cool
can you use this on the ZL1?
This almost looks like a repackaged cold air inductions kit
+Pete TheHawk because it is
LethalGarage nice that GM charges $100 more for it lol
Btw, "Happy Father's Day ! "
+wakojako41 thanks
I've always been loyal to gm, but shit like this is making it more and more difficult
+Todd Brall Right. It's especially frustrating when GM peeps refuse to admit it.
Retune!!
Oops thought it was a manifold /:
az is not a carb state.
+Purple Heart nope
get a better camera mount and use both hands !!!
+Dixie Normous lol
Shut up Dixie normous
wait..you buy it from someone else....you install...and they won't tie up a bay and a Tech's computer for free? A travisty.
+Bill Delahanty right
Heyyyyyyyy
+Master Gamer Heyyyyy
If it ain't gm installed.....it voids your warranty! Call your local dealer!