BMW i4 M50 Geilo test
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I wish manufacturers would give the cars a precondition button and more stats. At least in some sort of an advanced battery settings mode.
MG Marvel R has a button which you can activate to heat the battery for DC charging. This option should be mandatory on every EV.
What, you think car manufacturers give a shit that you're inconvenienced because of a cold battery ?
@@o00scorpion00o yeah since charging and range is something buyers are concerned about
@@imperiallegatus395 yeah, buyers are concerned about slow charging but car manufacturers are not.
@@imperiallegatus395 Absolutely, there's a lot of marketing out there "130 Kw charging" this is deception in my opinion because those unaware will not be prepared for a huge increase in charge times when the battery is cold nor do they advertise that 130 Kw may only be achievable at very low SOC and I'm talking about my own VW id3 Tour 5 here.
Instead manufacturers should refrain from advertising any Kw when charging and only advertise the 10-80% time in Summer and 10-80 % charge in Winter which can in some cases double the charging time.
The slow charging of my id.3 T5 is disappointing because I've never seen more than 60 kw from 20% SOC but the battery is never up to temp being in Ireland the summers are often cold enough to require a dedicated battery precondition feature selectable by the driver, Summer Night time temps here can get as low as 8 Deg C or lower in places in July/August and normally day time temps don't go above 14-16 deg Max, average, There are exceptions but the point being I live in a climate where there is not mad swing in temps but it's almost always cool enough to warrant battery heating for fast charging.
Bjørn, you have to set the lights to automatic (A) to get the laser lights to turn on. Otherwise it's just led. Other way to check they're on: when they're on, you get clear 500M light in front of the car on a straight road.
I already set it to automatic (A). Laser lights were in fact on.
@@bjornnyland You were switching from low beam to high beam, and that way the laser lights don't activate. Maybe you did it somewhere during the trip, but that didn't come across in the video unfortunately.
@@bjornnyland you have to be driving over 62kph for the laser lights to activate
@bjornnyland does tesla model 3 heat the camera and sensor as well?
I wanted to say one thing regarding the placing of the charge port. I understand why you’re saying it’s the “wrong” side, however this positioning makes sense once you realize that it is well positioned for street parking charging (you’re supposed to park in the direction of traffic).
Cables are long enough to reach around the other side. And no the charge plug is not sticking out, cause your mirror is also there.
Also, I have never had this so far and I have driven 90'000 km in electric vehicles.
@@bluebikerathar not quite sure of what you are saying. Anyways I have done 3000km in July, 1300 in September and another 3000km in Winter. Trips are calculated as return trip.
According to your busy street theory and the danger of plugging in the car (which takes 10 seconds), do you exit your car on the right side, through the passenger door?
Why is the right side better for charging at home? You need to park, so you can plug in your EV. Which means you have less space on your side to get out, if you are in a tight parking space. Cars got wider, but the parking spaces are still limping behind on that.
I see no argument as valid.
Also if you do not have that luxury like björn, then you wouldn't be buying a BMW i4 anyway.
Exactly, my cable is just to short when I have to use a charger here in Berlin. It only works with the left spot of the charging station. Otherwise I need to turn the car and park opposite to traffic, but this is actually not legal in Germany. So I would prefer the charger on the right side.
Best side is the front side. Thank you. 😁
right is the correct position!
That was the best demonstration of active headlights I've ever seen. The snow really emphasizes the motion.
I have similar on my 2012 x% ! I love them and can often be found swerving all over the road to exercise them on the way back to my house at night ;-)
This is the one I was waiting for! Thanks, Bjørn.
Thank you for opening and closing the door, it I'd my most important factor when buying a car
This is the videothat I like. Snow, snow and more snow on the road. You are a good driver.
Bjørn you are the most entertaining car reviewer ever, thanks a lot :)
Dr.Holm’s hotel at Geilo is so beautiful and majestic.
Great job, love your reviews! Been waiting for this for a long time. Bimmer Björn is back.
I disagree Bjørn, Charge port on the opposite site of the driver is the correct site. You can park close to the charger and still get out of the car easily. This will depend on how most chargers will be setup in the future but I thing drive in from one site and out the other is something we got right with fossil!
What? Your comment makes no sense. How can the charger ever get in the way on the right side, which is the left side? Have you ever driven an EV?
If you want to park in your garage and charge, you have to leave space on the right side, so you can plug in the charger. Which means you have LESS space on your side to get out.
On public street its the correct side, if you have to park longside
@@christianjoachimgruber2773 As stated in another comment, charging cales are long enough to get around the car. The Plug does not exceed that of mirror. And it is a rare occasion someone will park on the street to charge. Someone who buys a BMW i4, will have a garage to park it in. I have driven 90'000km in EVs and I mostly charge at home. The charge port being on the right side is the wrong way to go, you have less room to get out. IONITY it does not matter, but the Tesla SC are defined.
@@FIGHTTHECABLE At the moment charge ports are popping up all over the car depending on the model so I don't see why I have to drive an EV to have a valid opinion on the matter? Talking about charge ports I'm still waiting on a manufacturer introducing a model with the charge port in the center of the roof which wouldn't be a strange place if you want to automate charging.(Not taking in to account the technical challenges of placing a charge port in the center of the roof) Now I'm wondering what kind of charger you are revering to? If it's the BEST side I strongly disagree with your argument.
@@Dr01d1 agreed.
Off topic: i am sure Apple car will have charging port at the center of the car but not on the top, but at the bottom !
Bjørn Nyland. To got the car to heat up the battery prior to charging you must sett the charger station as a intermediate target and not the end target in the GPS.
Wow ! That really changes a lot and it actually makes sense. Tesla is dead. Next year the i5 will be released, and it will be GAME OVER for Tesla
Is there also a manual way to engage this?
@@DjTonioRoffo Not at the moment.
That’s actually bloody ridiculous and makes sense at the same time.
@@geraldh.8047 The thinking behind that is that if it's your end target you don't continue driving afterwards and therefore preheating the battery is a waste of energy. Of course the most sensible thing would be to just ask the driver if he wants to precondition or not. Like a small window that pops up.
Why do you think that the charging port should be on the left side?
The charging stations in the city are on the right side (driving side) so if the charging port is on the left side you have to put the cable on/over your car.
It's also way safer to have it on the right side where cars don't drive by, just curious on your view.
Well, left side would have been nice for charging at Tesla SuC.
The side mirror is already poking out. And how about having a safe distance when passing parked cars? No?
Visible battery temp should be mandatory in every ev, like gas cars. I use scan my Tesla thx to this channel. Lots of interesting measurement on that app/obd tool.
Yes I agree! I don't have an EV yet but I have a Swiss Stromer ST2 bike and it shows the battery temperature in the app. After long fast rides in summer it's best to let it cool down for a bit and not let it cool down too much in winter. So just like an elektroauto hehe
Can't wait to see 'normal' i4 too!
And hopefully without M-Sport styling as that styling makes it less aerodynamic.
Excellent post and analysis. thank you. Very glad to see the snow stability even with the second-tier Pirelli tires. On 245/40 19s. So 19" wheels are OK for snow conditions. Nice pointing out "hidden" features. Thanks for pointing out pre-heating need & steps b4 charging. Less profanity in future please.
"I guess they don't have mountains in Denmark" 😂😂
Or a nice proper winter!
Mountains, large forests, fjords and good snow. There are many reasons why we danes like Norway🇳🇴
The kidney-grill look hilarious with the numberplate in the middle 🙈🙈
Just pretend the license plate isn’t there;-)
Can we get an update on your new house build? Thanks, keep up the good work👍
Love your humor! You’re the best!
Nice test. Maybe the preheating is only active when you let the car plan a route which includes chargers. Would be the same like Mercedes.
Nope. Preheating was in fact active when navigating to fast charger.
Hi Bjørn,
From your personal experience - which car makes more sense in colder climate: Polestar 2 PP or BMW i4M50?
@Bjørn Nyland You change in the menu, should the car turn off when you open the door, or not.
For the heating, you also can store a shortcut on the top of your screen. So you need less clicks…
Hej Bjørn, I am thinking of exchanging my 320i touring (2007) to bmw i4, but I heard your comments about the back seat being a little tight for persons above 180 cm. We live in Denmark, and have family in Oslo and Hardanger Vidda, so we are coming to Norway several times during a year, and we are 2 adults and one son of 180 cm on the back seat. Do you think this would be a problem driving from Denmark to Oslo and higher to the Fjeld?:). Thank you for your videos:)
1:36 Yes, I have heard it before and so did you when you thested the BMW i3...
Take good care to remove ice from the window before opening rhw door. A.B.C.
Very instructive video, thx!
Where I live, with the number of broken driver's side mirrors of parked cars in the street, I prefer to have my cable plugged on the right rather than the left when charging (as normally, since you have to park on the same side as you drive).
People pass your car with 5 cm margin? Yikes. Please tell me which country it is so I can avoid visiting it.
I have experienced broken driver's mirror (while parked) on my previous car. If it was the current car (EV), but with port on "correct" side plugged in, i'd travel to repair shop on a flatbed with 95% probability.
@@bjornnyland This is a general problem in absolute every country! 1000 people pass your car without any problems and without risk. But then you have a novice driver or even an experienced driver can misjudge if the situation is too tight. Or it's a big truck. And then there was a bang. Even if it only happens once every 2 years, it can happen anywhere all over the world. If the mirror is gone because you didn't fold it, it's not as bad as if your charging port broke off ... this would be the worst case.
Btw: Maybe, it would be best to have more than only one charging ports, for example left AND right?
But a very good video, I like it a lot :)
Hi Björn, I hope you're still testing the IX 50 or 60. It's at the top of my shopping list. I'm curious. All the best to you and your stuffed dove. 👍🏻🍀
Geilo Video Björn 👍🏼. Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪
Great video thanks - Bjorn can you or anyone please share which OBD reader and App you are using? I noticed you put up a display showing IX3 / I4 on one of your videos. I have been unsuccessful in getting any OBD readers to work. Thanks Mike
Fantastic great uploads im waiting for my i4 m50 in sanremo green with cognac interior 😀
Me too!
Great reviews Bjørn, watched almost every singe one - with special attention on the i4. Any geilo test planned for the eDrive40? 😁 also, do you think I'm going to face any problems in the snow with the proper winter tires with the edrive40? I'm really nervous about that, my car will be delivered in 2 weeks from now, switching from an ICE A4 quattro to the eDrive 40 and not sure what to expect in the snow. I did not had any issues with the previous car...
1:45 a thorough test indeed :)
Which SW-Version and do you have the Pre-Heat App showing under the Apps? The first i4 SW-Versions are missing the feature, as far as I know. It came later via Remote Update.
Preheating works. I did 1000 km challenge today. Same car. Same software.
If only my country could get some of the EVs you've been reviewing for the past year, that would be a miracle
So many Danes, that's funny :-) I'm a Dane watching your reports from the US.
The ice is actually one of the drawbacks of LED, no heat to melt snow/ice
Merci pour le code ABRP et tes vidéos !
15:30 That charger is fully ICEd up! There's no charging port on the left front fender of that regular VOLVO.
gosh! so nice! hopefully when the I4 models come to thailand, is in budget ;-D
Very valuable review with unique technical details! Great job! Thank you
Great content but I would disagree with the "correct side" for the charging port. In many cases it doesn't matters for DC chargers in DE, AT and IT. Public AC chargers are often on the right side in these countries, therefor am happy with the positioning...
@Bjørn Nyland - The „Charging” shows you the current value, between zero and the max. possible charging power, with the the blue line.
Like a gauge.
Numbers would be nice.
Next feature from BMW: Display the driving speed (km/h) in a very inaccurate gage between 0 and 260 km/h with no digits or ticks to tell you exactly how fast you're going. Lol
@@bjornnyland You will not get a ticket for fast charging! ☝️😂
Also curious how it stacks up to a used 2017/2018 Model S
Björn, har du testat BMW i4 40 i vinterklimtat och på snöiga vägar? i så fall, hur uppför den sig på vintervägar? Funderar på att beställa i4, men kan inte bestämma mig för att om jag vill satsa på räckvidd eller på 4-hjulsdrift och prestanda. Helst hade jag viljat ha en i4 40 med x-drive då jag anser att det inte finns något behov av så snabb accelaration och så mycket motoreffekt.
Thanks for this review, I've just discovered your channel and thank you very much for the real testing in winter conditions.
I am planning to buy an M50 but I was wondering if you could tell me :
Is it manageable to drive 200km (80% highway) in winter (same conditions you had in the test) without charging the car ?
Thank you,
Fabien
Hi
Great challenge the 1000Km
I noticed something important missing on your list:
The Lucid Air.
Can we have the Treat...!
From Specs, Lucid should top your list!!
Looks like BMW needs to work on improving their software application in the car. I hope someone from BMW is watching your channel and taking notes. Thanks for the review and the i4 looks solid.
Awesome reviews Bjørn, especially the Geilo tests. Tips for the next Geilo test: Do the Classic Ioniq 😀
I really like the BMW. And I appreciate Björns consistency in testing. Provides good insight and allows comparing cars for rookies like me. Thank god I can understand English. Otherwise I would depend on a car maniac that is moody and more diva than any kathoey…😉
Oh I didn't realize how new this video was until I checked the comments
Geiles Auto! Super!👍🏼🚀👍🏼🚀👍🏼
I am actually tempted to replace my model S with this car. 300k NOK cheaper than a new model S. Haven't it been for the poor hi-speed charger coverage here in north of Norway...
Does spirited driving help in heating up the battery or is it not worth it, because you only heat up the engine? I could imagine here in Germany you can just hammer it on the Autobahn.
Bjorn when are you testing the EQB?
The frameless window on my ten year old SLK does the same thing
this is just perfect spec! :)
Love this Bimmer … Id like to see the base version and how it performs in winter conditions… as well if/how it can charge at Tesla chargers now that they are opening to non-Tesla’s
Oh yes i love it so much looks so good!!
Only problem is that its RWD
@@dabulls1g it isnt
Old 3 series convertible windows made that sound (or a similar one).
I really like the i4, finally a real BMW but electric :D
Nice to see another cool EV. :)
Yep, the i4 is really cool. Won't even accept a charge.
I totally would've gone for the i4 m50 if it wasn't for the fact it has a 14 month wait time... Probably more at this point...
So I've just placed an order for a tesla model 3 long range, should be here around may.
Looks like BMW still has some work to do on the software side of things because that really could be better. Pre-heating of the battery, pre-conditioning, showing the necessary information, ...
Beautiful car!
Does anyone know if A Better Route Planner uses the manufacturer stated charging speed in its calculations or the realistic speeds we see here?
7:30 It's taken from fossil.. at stationary there, like all know, dashboard says liters/h... "volume/h" so they copy paste at we gate here that monster kWh/h...
Some car manufacturers still want to live in the past...
Frameless door 🚪closing ASMR for the win
i4 has framless doors.
@@bjornnyland damn me and quick typing without proofing. My bad😥
Loved the video as always. How is your family life? You seem to be on the road 24/7 haha. I mean how do you manage?
I'm probably home more than most office workers because I do only TH-cam.
@@bjornnyland that's great man. Love to see your videos here in Pakistan. We have a long way to become EV friendly country.
P. S stay happy in your family life so that we get more lovely videos. Stay blessed.
hi again, i dont know if im guessing this correctly? the advertised kilowatt you get for the kilometer is 461 km but drivable kilowatt seems to average at 300KM, so my guess is, the rest of the kilowatt power is reserved for the cars electric consumption usage? ie, heaters, fan, radio .... safety features ... and seem like this is normal for all EVs?
No, that's not how it works. The range is reduced because consumption is higher. kWh available in the battery is still the same regardless.
“Nice Beaver”
When are you gone test mg Marvel r?
It does show you the % you will arrive just click on the navi route overview
And no. The rights side is the right side for the charging port.
Or you never charged your car on an AC charger over night at the roadside, like many people do in the city?
The cable should not hang on the road / traffic side.
Street parking and ports on the left side can be solved via longer cables. The plug does not stick out more than a folded mirror either. However, in your average garage, where you leave space on the driver side to get out, you won't reach the rear right side - that is sitting close to the right hand wall of the garage - to plug in your charge cable without a major hassle.
Not the right answer for me.
1. I will not mess around with clumsy cable on the traffic side, where busses and trucks passing you.
2. If somebody hits your cable, a charging port replacement is fck expensive.
3. Exactly. I’m the garage you just need 30cm for the charging port, but 1 m to open the door. So you can park next to the wall..
And don’t have to step over the cable alway you leave or enter the garage…
You don't need more than 2 seconds to open the charge port and plug in. If you really mess around so long just to plug in then EV is clearly not for you. And as already mentioned, the mirror is already sticking out. Passing traffic *must* have a safe margin to the parked car.
@@bjornnyland Next big news: Grandpa hit by the bus while charging… 😬😢 (there are also noobs and slow folk who have to charge their car… not just ninjas) 😜
I’d definitely want this if we had as many Ionity or any public superchargers like what you guys have. Unfortunately, other than Tesla, North American charging infrastructure sucks everywhere here 😞
Isn't Electrify America any good?
@@stephenholland5930 I’m in Canada. There’s only Electrify Canada in the West end (Vancouver) but nothing here in the East coast (Toronto). 😞
Lots of Tesla Superchargers though.
isn't kW and kWh/h the same?
Nice beaver 11:45 😂😂
What is that Heat Detector name ,I wanna buy one . that show on Phone screen
Love i4 💖
Actually the cameras don't have a 'heated' function. Its just the camera sensor itself that gets hot.
Would be nice to check the lens temperature in the summer, then we'd have the answer.
Green Color not bad
8:05 how do you pause the song? I see now pause button.
ah the ice sheet on the car! dont you guys have those spray on removal ice thingys like we have in the USA? i get those from the auto store haha
Ofcorse we have. Alcohol for the Win.
I skip part of two (I watched at least 50% of the video) but I don’t get info about what is the range at -10 if you drive 130/140km/h 😁
How‘s the hotel called?
Heated front sensor/camera, but the headlights glaze over. The German engineers have a little more work to do. 😉
What is the name of that hotel at 15 min in the video. I really can't make out what he is saying at that point.
Dr Holms
What color this i4 bro?
Haha love it when you put in some German words! :)
Btw it's *bayrische Auto :)
Why should the Charger be on the left side of the car ( in rightsided trafic)? Nomaly the car needs to park on the right side of the road so therefore the Chargepoint should be on the right side of the car too?
Remember that the side mirror is also poking out. And do people really pass parking cars with 0 cm margin? Wow.
@@bjornnyland I hav an electric car in a bigger city in germany. All Chargepoints along the road inside a city are on the right hand side of the road. Therefore if the chargeport is on the left side of the car i always have to put the cabel around or over the car. Thats why i think the right hand side of a car is the correct one for a charge port...
@@bjornnyland I think the issue is bloated: it's really not a big deal to have at least AC charging port on both sides. But also, side mirrors are made retractable specifically for that reason, not to be smashed in narrow street - and it is a luxury feature. So it's as if nothing luxury about the cable sticking out on the driveway.
The video started without sound... but I could still hear "This video was brought to you by..." O_O
My VW Eos has frameless doors and windows go down when door is opened and goes up to seal when closed, so not new.
now we just have to wait 2 years before they can deliver in Netherlands...
Ive got that frameless system on clk2004 😂
11:46 haha!
Let's call the Bavarian winter an Italian alps winter ... !
One of the best nee EV’s . Would always prefer this above…. Well, I don’t mention that other American brand ;) . Great quality car! My next one. Thanks for testing this Bjorn!
1.4kWh/h to maintain heating also answers the question of how long you could be heated while stuck in traffic... 15 hours would cost 1/4 battery, not bad, especially with these temperatures.
This car looks really nice, but seens to suck on software and/or other smart things a car might need to do. BMW really needs to up their software game.
With this Price,. I would expect there is a G-Force Meter on BMW i4 M50
They too have still a long way ahead. In 1-2 years they might actually become real alternatives, thank you Björn!
Geillooooo :D
I prefer android automative multimedia system . Like the central console , dont like the empty space. Good car but not perfect. A bit disappointing with changing speed compared to polestar 🤔