Once a show gets a cult following of hate watchers it never loses the controversy. The truth is I agree it came off as pointless and not much going on in a sense but there is something about it that made it feel like that's the point. It's hard to judge a show like that with 1 episode because we lack the context of the whole story.
I don't get why this show that calls out Hollywood and their exploitation of women gets so much hate when You have Euphoria, Elite, Sex Education, etc. that is set is in Schools with "minors". Like Jocelyn was old and mature enough, this has never been marketed towards minors. Also, Jocelyn was "exploited" not just for the sake of seeing her nude, but it adds to the plot, I don't get why people are pressed when there are tamed series like Suits(that sexualized Megan Markle for no reason). Even GOT had nude scenes that were unessesary to the plot. This show has never been marketed towards minors, and viewers' discretion was advised, but I don't get why people act like minors who can't distinguish between right and wrong, and what to copy or not. The fact that they made Abel ugly, creepy, rapey, and not handsome and charismatic says a lot. He was not the most dashing but he wasn't that ugly, they gave him a rat tail, his smile was creepy, he was dressed weirdly, and he was into some sketchy bar. Everyone can see that but the mentally unstable Jocelyn. The show itself wanted viewers to know that these kinds of men are preying on and exploiting mentally unstable women in Hollywood, so which part is the glorification?
@@hazecliff7173 we live in a time where people work hard at being outraged. They were outraged before it ever aired and now they try and justify it. They were hating it for reasons that have nothing to do with the story.
@@Boorosan I’m sure that’s part of it - they were killing two birds with one stone by firing her instead of simply adding more Abel scenes to fit his vision
I feel like the controversy will get worse. I heard so many weird things about the show that might be true. Jocelyn’s assistant says Tedros gives “rapey vibes” and Jocelyn says “I like that about him”. That really caught me off guard and it makes me hesitant to continue watching the show.
My ex-GF and I were in a pool and she was describing what she'd like in sex (we had just gotten together) and after she described it I said "that sounds kinda rapey" and she said "yeah, that's hot"... So when it happened in the show I was like "ah shit"
@@phoenixfunny4517 yeah there’s still a very small percentage of women who actually like rapey stuff. There’s a reason why people are shocked when someone actually has a rape fantasy.
@@lemonmarie2161 the supposed "small percentage" are still women that exist and are being ignored or painted as non-existent because what they like goes against a narrative that reactionary dipshits want to hold onto. Them being small doesn't mean anything anyways, Jocelyn is 1 of them so what's the problem? No one anywhere says that's the standard she's immediately told by her friend that it's not a good thing.
@@phoenixfunny4517 this. There has been only 2 episodes but people already judge it cus of the whole woman director change like cmon. Even if the whole series is shit can we like judge the show by its own. I swear every video has like THE FEMALE DIRECTOR WILL MAKE IT so much BETTER. Nah a shit show with a crap writer and concept will be shit no matter what. Also let’s judge the after all episodes would come….
I get that they wanna show how fucked up Hollywood is, but putting an actress through EXTREMELY GRAPHIC depictions of traumatic events is not the way to go. Sam Levinson never chooses subtlety or nuance; while he sometimes has artistic decisions that come through nicely, 99% of the time its gratuitous panty/body shots and unnecessary r**e and sex scenes.
@@nonsensicalwebby1663 i think the commentator is just kinda tired of all the sex and nudity in sam's projects bc those scenes don't have so much depth and ofc lily is gonna take the role, it pays well and makes her even more famous lol
Imagine if someone wrote a show about slavery, with the intention to criticize and expose the horrors behind it... and then completely changed the message to "hey, slavery was actually empowering and cool". That's exactly what The Idol is doing. They're glorifying the thing they were originally going to criticize, thus becoming part of the problem. Pathetic. Screw Sam, Abel and everyone else involved.
Glorifying?? I rather see a bunch of people with lots of money and no heart. If after watching episode1 you'd like to step in the protagonist's shoes, I think you should be watching something else.
Oh man, you gotta love how they want to show the exploitation of a young woman by… exploiting a young woman. The way Lily-Rose Depp is made to dress CAN work narratively, but I feel like it’s all there for the cheap male-gazey-ness of it. The show was okay - if slightly fucked up - when focusing on Jocelyn but The Weeknd/Tedros shows up and gave me all the icks. I literally only checked it out for Jennie and you know the marketing team know that with how much they’re pushing her in the promos. Fuck, she barely has lines in it! 😭 Personally, hearing that they decided to reshoot it because it was veering into ‘the feminine perspective’ is just peak out of touch main character energy. Like god forbid a show called “The Idol” be about the actual female idol aka the lead. Nope, we should learn more about The Weeknd’s crusty, rapey-ass character. 🙄 It could’ve been such an interesting show, but trust the big men to come in a ruin it.
Yeah that’s so sad, I don’t think this Sam Levinson dude is a good director at all tbh Euphoria only succeeded bc it was well cast tbh 😕😕😕😕🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
@@abbied well, the cast really did breathe the life into Euphoria. But I will say, we should give props where props are due. The cinematography, the soundtrack, the costuming were absolutely terrific in Euphoria, it's the writing that is the problem
@@v1olante The writing doesn’t have anything to do with the director tho or……… wait he’s also the screenwriter/one of the main screenwriters of Euphoria too isn’t he? ://
@@v1olante Is Sam Levinson the main screenwriter/one of the main screenwriters of Euphoria too or not? (Don’t know too much about it so that’s why I asked that’s all) ://
The Music industry is messed up but Sam Levinson just wanted to show his fetishes. A female director was fired despite 80% of the show being finished and to turn it into a torture porn show is disgusting.
Torture porn LOL! Obviously you have absolutely NO IDEA what real torture porn is! Was that the latest buzzword that you picked up from the magazines and tiktok?! LOL
And I can't stop picturing the Weekend adopting this culty persona where he wears capes averywhere and answers every interview question with another question. He's already so pretentious as it is. Sorta like how Austin Butler is still doing the Elvis thing after 3 years lol
@walkingearphones7101 no, I agree, the plot in Euphoria isn’t very solid but the acting makes up for it. I honestly don’t think Lily was made for acting either tho, her modeling is much better.
So let me get this straight. The world loved seeing teenagers deal with similar issues in Euphoria but hate seeing adults deal with trauma and lust in Hollywood with The Idol. Okay……….
Completely missed the point. The issue isn’t that adults deal with trauma and lust, its how they go about it. Its nothing but torture porn with a weak direction. Euphoria is abit better than The Idol but still has some issues similar.
0:41 WRONG!! Sam Levinson was never a part of The Idol until after Amy left. ALSO FUN FACT! Amy Seimetz is known for playing as Millie Bobby Brown's aunt in Stranger Things.
I’m a 20 year old dude and film student.Seeing everyone idolize Sam Levinson for euphoria like it was on some kind of breaking bad level, infuriated me. I’m glad people are noticing this guy is weird asl
That is very true! With controversy brings in more eyes and discussions. However, a show can only ride off of that for so long before it has nothing to carry it! So it will be interesting to see if this show improves over time
@@BrainPilot the worst part, is that Sam probably thinks that the controversy means he did something special, when the show is so absurdly status quo. Not a hint of creativity
Get your point Barry 🇮🇪, but what is the controversy? I only saw the first episode. Just boring. Lily Rose is ok actor & the woman playing her assistant. It was fun when jocelyn said it's my boob, my house 😁.
@@BrainPilot I’d say it will improve but be nothing special. I’d say The Weeknd and Lily Rose Depp will be acting in loads of things off the back of this though and both are fairly good actors tbf
Personally I think the show is unwatchable because the weeknd is horrible casting and just gives me a huge ick and is completely unbelievable in that role
that's what they want. they want you to feel the ick. I've met many guys that are the same. when I was young I also fell for these guys. why is everyone so freaking mad?!
why is it gross?! this is reality! women have had their pictures and videos leaked for decades. have you seen all the p*rn female music videos?! I don't get why everyone is so mad. some women love embracing their sexuality and have pleasure in it. it clearly shows how Tedros want to lure her in. She is young, he owns a club. She finds that attractive and interesting as she doesn't have anyone in her life like him currently. This is the reality of many women, not only celebrities!
What really bothers me is that they have such a huge budget plus such a talented cast…. Lily Rose, Troye Sivan, Eli Roth, the girl from BodiesBodiesBodies…. And literally nothing happens…. It seems so damn substanceless…
The things that they portray in the show are things that actually do happen in Hollywood and the industry, that's true. But they sexualize the characters so much to the point where it becomes uncomfortable and loses its value. Most of the time, during the first episode, they are talking about sex, saying/doing things with sexual connotations, walking around almost naked, or just straight-up having sex. And this is nothing new with Sam Levinsons' work, which is why everyone is so upset over it. His portrayals of nudity in the media are useless. They don't add anything to the story, and it doesn't actually play into portraying who a character is. It's fine if Lily's character is confident in her body and her sexuality, but Sam, using every chance he gets to just shoot scenes of her nips and genitalia just makes it come off as his own rap*y, t0rture p*rn fantasies with no real meaning.
Agree. Its hard to believe that these wired demonic shits are really happening in the music industry and Hollywood. It makes me sick of humans that we follow, such an unhealthy and ungrateful personas. They are so abounded and still live unhealthy. This wolrld is fucked up. Music and moves supposed to wake love, joy and happiness, not this demonic lifes. Part of myself still believe that all of this is exaggerated. What do you think?
People hate this show so much because it's the epitome of looking into the mirror, and seeing how the world truly is staring back at you. "The world is a cruel place." Jocelyn...this show is Good!
It’s so odd because it’s like the writes don’t know how abusers act lol idk why the weekends character just came into her life with them both having an understanding that he’s going to ruin her life that’s not how abusers take control
Personally, I really enjoyed the first episode. I think the lack of drama or big events in it establishes an understanding for the main character's "normal". I don't know how the original director intended for the show to look but I like that Sam Levinson displays the reality of what's happening in a situation like this (the life a Hollywood star) instead of possibly imposing pointed views on it which would be confusing to watch since there is so many side characters to account for by nature of the main character's job. The reality of a woman in her position is that (however anti-feminist it appears) the idea of agency is very complex when there's so much money, pressure, trauma and ulterior motives surrounding your livelihood. I could be reading too much into it but I think that's portrayed pretty well when her personality and expressions make it seem like she's enjoying her choices but her coping mechanisms and constant second guessing of the people she keeps around her shows otherwise.
In my opinion it is a show I have never seen before. You have to submerge yourself into the story otherwise I can understand that people may not like it or find it lacking any story. After watching episode 2 it made me want to watch the show more. And i don't know if I've heard it right but it took alot of inspiration from artists such as Britney Spears which had not a good experience within the music industry and the surrounding.
The show lacks writing that permits us to connect and care for the characters, sure it’s very entertaining and pleasing to the eye, but if we can’t connect or even relate emotionally to the character then it is simply eye candy, mindless entertainment, maybe that is the point, maybe the very people and industry this whole show is based on is a true to life representation of fucked up people who you can’t even feel sorry for. I still love a good trainwreck though so I’ll keep watching.
I completely disagree with the negative reviews and criticisms of the show. I think Levinson is a genius and the show was a masterpiece. While I understand the criticisms that the show was too sexist, too homophobic, had too much sex, was too much like a music video, too Hollywood, I agree, it was all those things. But it was still a great show and definitely had SUBSTANCE. Watching the main character (Jocelyn) navigate past trauma, a career block, manipulative friends, and an abusive relationship are all universal themes I could relate to even though I don't live in a 10,000 sq ft Hollywood mansion. Not to mention the performance by the Weeknd (Tedros) was incredible. He was an extremely complicated interesting character that both the hero and the villain of the show. I think TV shows are supposed to push the boundaries and break the rules to be entertaining. If anything, being "controversial" is what makes it interesting. To negatively criticize or discredit a show because it's not politically correct or offends people is completely erroneous.
Ironic. The "Idol" that didn't get enough attention forced his way into the spotlight costing them million and causing some of their best creatives to leave the project. I never cared for the premise of this show. Will Sam be able to recover before the third season of Euphoria? I guess we'll find out. Truth of the matter is, he needs to give his characters a redemptive arch eventually. They can't wallow in sex, drugs, and mental illness forever. Like the Labrinth song suggests, his audience is getting tired.
I honestly appreciate the neutral breakdown of the controversy. It really will depend on if they can pull a rabbit out of a hat and make this worth checking out. And while I will say pilots are usually the "weakest" episodes, they are supposed to be the thing that at least gets your attention and sets the tone. The fact that this is just good visuals and no actual story is really telling.
Pushed its boundaries or… showing you a ‘close to reality’ to what life is like in Hollywood. 1.) Dodgy management surrounding the “superstar” who “handles” the artist and gaslights them to push their own agenda 2.) Selling sex - showing how directors/management push “stars” to cater to the male gaze because it “sells” and ultimately, gives them more money 3.) How unglamorous being a “star” is despite what we, viewing, are shown. 4.) pushing Hyper-sexuality 5.) what happens in an actual Ritual and initiation (Refrence: episode 1) Red dress, and weekend in black cape. Too much too soon.
The Weekend acts like an abusive and controlling Narcissist in this Show. He is so sleazy and slimey in this role. Quite frankly, he gives me the creeps. Unfortunately, he acts horrible off the Show, according to Lily and other people.
i think to me it makes me not want to get plastic surgery to be perfect. I have most of this girls issues already minus being a pop star but mental health and trying to live and im not even pretty , men just objectify you when youre pretty like yeah you might feel good looking in the mirror but its more dangerous
I'll have to wait and see. It's definitely very intense. I'm waiting for at least the 3rd episode for it to really start taking off. I just need to become more connected to the characters I think. I thought they did a decent job of that, but it's only been two episodes so there's not much to go on yet.
The show feels like the weekends little revenge porn fantasy. Similar to Brad Pitt and that awful Blonde movie. Shame Lily Rose is so exploited in this I do think she can act. Conspiracy theory - Idol is about Selena Gomez. And Blonde is really about Angeline Jolie?
The essence of the show really shows in those scenes with Jocelynn. The casting of Tetros feels very off while the rest of the show really exists flawlessly without him. The graphic scenes didn't shock me but felt extremely out of touch with actual sex. The way Tetros walked back in the room after they supposedly had sex, his skin, hair and clothes are almost intact. Perhaps because she only performed oral sex on him but the dirty talk was very porno like and sounded like a teenager trying to act grown. I don't follow the controversy but only give the show a chance. I think certain scenes (just like in Euphoria) are very powerful, like the one where Jocelyn breaks down midset.
I watched the first episode and it is beautifully shot but nothing really happened like I was watching for like 30 mins and nothing was happening also it is inanely sexual with some scenes that are really unnecessary like what did the show achieve by showing the girl masturbating
Remember back when Game of Thrones first episode aired and Robert Baratheon came all the way north for a reason we didn't know until the end of the episode and the shocking revelations that came out afterwards?? Yeah that's how you start a show by grabbing our attention and make us care about the protagonist, i didn't get that feeling with this show i got the complete opposite, a random LA tumblr girl having a mental breakdown is not something i care about.
I think that because it's just a fiction that predicted how show business works now. Because since Madonna, most actresses and singers go that way. It's about showing off your body and getting written about in the newspaper or talked about.
This video is a way better understanding and explaining why the show is getting shit on, like I keep seeing reviews saying “it’s bad” or “it’s cringe” and “the dialogue is bad” like it’s seems fine, it’s an interesting concept to see how Hollywood is fucked up, like the on cum face shit, I mean ya it’s gross, but it shows how the famous people actually react to that types of stuff getting leaked, I don’t have a take on the Weekends character yet considering we’re barely on episode 2, but I’m sure it’ll start to show when they start making it about him, but so far I’m interested
Devil advocate here I don't think the show's take is bad. If this were a book it would be fine. I've read really weird and off putting books. If you find this show sick then avoid japanese literature. Even when a woman writes it, it can be rough. The point is we can't put our own sensibilities on a fictional story. We also can't call women victims when they don't see it as such. Lily is aware of what she signed up for. She stayed and if she didn't like it, she'd leave or not renew the contract. Also, stop watching and commenting on the show if it's that bad. When you complain you give it life. You keep it relevant.
I also want to add that in any event, if people dislike the show then prop up others that give you the content you want to see. There's so much out there that everyone ignores. I won't plan on watching the show. I'd rather comment and enjoy the angry bitter fans. Aka the hate watchers.
I feel like a lot of women have no touch with their own sexuality and find masturbating and fantasies bad and disgusting. there's a lot of women who enjoy what jocelyn has enjoyed, also her leaked photo. how is this not our reality? I've seen so many girls have their photos leaked so com'on.
@@kassiejohnson549 women are sick and tired of being objectified. I also enjoy being chocked during sex but this is between me and my boyfriend, I’m so sick of violent porn and depiction of sex showing women being beaten or choked for male enjoyment. I enjoy it in my private time, but I find it repulsive when men sit there and broadcast it. You only deserve to choke a girl if she trusts you completely and the pleasurable pain is for her, not all just for you, and it’s in a completely safe environment. This is so obviously for the men, not for Jocelyn. Also I’ve now come to find out that choking can actually be really dangerous even if done gently so I don’t do it anymore, and neither does my boyfriend, because my safety is paramount. I don’t get these vibes from the show
I haven't watched it and don't plan on it unless the reviews get it better with episodes, but I just want to say there's still a CHANCE it'll get better with time. But honestly, I wish Sam took the time working on this on euphoria instead, since that's the best thing thats ever come out of him despite the issues it has sometimes. season 2 of euphoria was still entertaining as hell and beautifully shot, and some episodes were well written, and you never know, season 3 might go back to season 1s roots, and maybe even better due to writers strike
People, Get a grip, The show, from what previewed, portrays that Lifestyle, Sexual exotic inhibitions, Substance uses, adult fantasies acted out. Hello, it relays realistic lifestestyles, That actually exists, if offended, definately live a sheltered life & not open minded. The actors, Are acting, it's their job- acting., This is not how they are in reality. To pull off a program of this magnitude, pretty good talent. In today's society, there' s much more graphic, degrading & worse violence, entertainment. No one complains about that.
4:34 is the exact same thing that was said about euphoria at the start. Also there was context to why she didn't say much in the first episode, and no it wasn't literally 1 hr of her wearing next to nothing. By all means criticise the actions BTS and the other actions of Abel and Sam but don't misrepresent the content of the episode to fit your narrative
Man…she is a very good actress who we have to remember, is Acting. Watch her talk about the character in her normal self and you will see and feel a disconnect to the real character. Don’t judge her for being a good actress and taking the role… it’s what the great ones do and do it well.. So while it’s hard to watch at times especially if you have a daughter like myself, I have to respect her craft.. Now will I keep my daughter far away from the show yes, of course, it’s an adult show.. This first show was cheesy in a few ways but the narrator is correct, it’s what made folks jump on her and how could she play a role like this and all of its graphic nature..but the story is now growing to many layers.. I think it’s written and done very well at this point.. If you done drugs are had glimpses of fame in your history you can understand the scenes and their realities
What if the controversies are all staged and designed to sort of embody the very same sort of derailment the character is to experience. I wouldn't be that surprised.
So allegedly The Weeknd read the script, agreed to it, then in the middle of filming said he didn't want to do it that way anymore because attention wasn't on him? Ok. Well that just makes him sound like a huge man baby. Perfect for the role of a cultist, huge fragile ego.
Ok now that Zendaya got to do the movie that no one saw or cared about, and everyone agrees 💯 this show is trash, can we get back to the Euphoria, the thing we all really want
I feel if all the actors are more than comfortable to do this show then it shouldn’t be controversial. From what I hear the actors liked working with Sam and wanted to create this graphic show together.
I'm a Troye Sivan fangirl and have been ever since he first appeared on TH-cam and his subsequent singing/acting career. I don't care how bad it is, Troye's in it, so I'll watch it!
@@tyloona - exactly - LOL!! I suppose you could say the same thing about the Harry Styles films as well. But I can’t see Styles winning an Oscar any time soon! 😂
I agree with a lot of the criticism, including it becoming what's it's trying to satirese, but I think saying it's substanceless is making an effort to miss the point of the show
This show feels like HBO is trying to make porn mainstream. So far it's all about vulgar outfits, unnecessary nudity and pointlessly explicit scenes masking the fact the story is a weak sauce.
Ths problem with the show is that it's just objectively not good. It would be less controversial if there was real substance and a compelling story behind it all. Theres barely any plot. It's basically a long music video mixed with soft core porn. Doesn't help that Lily-Rose Depp is being prtrayed as this sex symbol and she's not even really attractive.
its hard to imagine a beautiful, talented artist like Jocelyn would even look at the unattractive, boring & creepy Tedros. As usual we are encouraged to salaciously watch Jocelyn dress scantily, act provocatively and perform for a man. Why is he covered up? it further compounds that its up to females to stay slim/be beautiful/sexy etc. There's way too much pressure on women and the obsession with appearance and pleasing men, to add this t*rture p*rn with so little substsnce is unnecessary. whilst Abel makes brilliant music & the soundtrack good, the acting aint great but that is the dialogue also. Lily Rose is stunning and hard to take your eyes off. She is talented and i believe she will continue in an upward trajectory if she picks good projects.
It wasnt the best series on tv. But i think the issue with the series is that if people are unable to really think about what it is the show is trying to show it will come across as it does. I think lilly did an awesome job and most people dont dispute her acting ability but i find alot of people that just dont get it, probably went in expecting something different. People are critsizing the characters in the series such as abels being really creepy and hard to watch etc but thats the point. The must industry is full of creepy disgusting men who exploit young women etc.
I watched the first episode not knowing about any of the controversy or knowing about what the show was even really gonna be about and I’m kinda glad I did. I’m not saying that so far I think the show is good or that the controversy isn’t valid, I wasn’t particularly impressed with the first episode and I’m genuinely surprised that somehow I missed news about what was going on bts, but I think as a result I was able to watch it without any bias. To me, the first episode didn’t at all feel like nothing was going on. In my opinion it showed plenty of important things that seem like they will be pertinent to the plot. It introduced us to Joss and showed us the shit she was dealing with, introduced us to the people around her and what they’re like, and showed the start of her and tedros’ relationship which we know is what the plot centers around. It seemed like it was laying the foundation for what’s to come and I think that’s pretty standard for a pilot episode of a series and I wonder if people who’s perspectives were colored by the drama had a harder time recognizing that maybe.
Most people are completely missing the point of this show or just hating on it for click bait without actually having seen the episodes. How are they supposed to show the dark side of Hollywood and the absurdity of the star machine without actually showing it? This is the reality, just listen to the likes of Britney, Kesha, Gaga etc. :( The cancel culture kids are really going rogue on this one.
You can show things without being explicit and gross. What happened to good old-fashioned art? The people that make these things don’t even think about the audiences anymore. The objective is to put as much s+x in at as possible.
In my opinion , nowadays people think showing erotic and nude unnecessary scene is cool... idk why people are going away from being disciplined in life it's better to be in limits, showing too much just screams No STANDARDS at all....
Directors , producers and even actors and singers should be aware about the impact they create on this generation on what they perform and release .. songs have started to be explicit and films webseries have crossed the line. Becoz of All that this generation is more into is lust , social media, influencing bad things , people are going away from goals,GOD, being healthy and are more into rubbish things like smoking , vaping , drinking , bullying , judging , sexualising ,drugs and what not ....Stop this normalisation!!!!!
I remember when Tony fucking Soprano was a national hero and Enterauge based on Mark Wahlberg pandering women was a hit..dont get me started on oz or californication 😂 ALL GOOD SHOWS. all from the 2000s
Let’s be honest, the shows and movies driven by feminism have bombed recently. Mostly due to the writers inability to express feminist ideals without absolutely shitting on all men
I agree that this show is just trying to be relevant by using A and B list actors and singers and the director of Euphoria ….the writing is horrible …. and relies heavily on extreme nudity “ itty bitty tittie committee” and sexuality …. If the writing gets better and they focus on story lines it might be something worth while to watch…. By the way who is that guy? What you don’t know who Tedros is ?…. Everyone knows Tedros! Blah
Do you think the show will be able to lose the controversy attached to it? Comment your thoughts below!
Once a show gets a cult following of hate watchers it never loses the controversy. The truth is I agree it came off as pointless and not much going on in a sense but there is something about it that made it feel like that's the point. It's hard to judge a show like that with 1 episode because we lack the context of the whole story.
The show has another problem....... it's boring
I don't get why this show that calls out Hollywood and their exploitation of women gets so much hate when You have Euphoria, Elite, Sex Education, etc. that is set is in Schools with "minors". Like Jocelyn was old and mature enough, this has never been marketed towards minors. Also, Jocelyn was "exploited" not just for the sake of seeing her nude, but it adds to the plot, I don't get why people are pressed when there are tamed series like Suits(that sexualized Megan Markle for no reason). Even GOT had nude scenes that were unessesary to the plot.
This show has never been marketed towards minors, and viewers' discretion was advised, but I don't get why people act like minors who can't distinguish between right and wrong, and what to copy or not.
The fact that they made Abel ugly, creepy, rapey, and not handsome and charismatic says a lot. He was not the most dashing but he wasn't that ugly, they gave him a rat tail, his smile was creepy, he was dressed weirdly, and he was into some sketchy bar. Everyone can see that but the mentally unstable Jocelyn. The show itself wanted viewers to know that these kinds of men are preying on and exploiting mentally unstable women in Hollywood, so which part is the glorification?
@@hazecliff7173 we live in a time where people work hard at being outraged. They were outraged before it ever aired and now they try and justify it. They were hating it for reasons that have nothing to do with the story.
@@PureSparkles22 not interested in this...
They completely re-shot the show with the male gaze, but they aren’t willing to admit that
stfu about the “male gaze” like all men have a perverse, lustful, and exploitative vision of depicting woman. Such a corny talking point .
The Weeknd got the first showrunner fired and tells Sam to cut the actresses screentime so he can have more
What does “male gaze” mean
@@Boorosan I’m sure that’s part of it - they were killing two birds with one stone by firing her instead of simply adding more Abel scenes to fit his vision
@@roshinvarghese6879 it was filmed with the male audience in mind this usually ends up exploiting the female star in a hypersexual or unrealistic way
I feel like the controversy will get worse. I heard so many weird things about the show that might be true. Jocelyn’s assistant says Tedros gives “rapey vibes” and Jocelyn says “I like that about him”. That really caught me off guard and it makes me hesitant to continue watching the show.
My ex-GF and I were in a pool and she was describing what she'd like in sex (we had just gotten together) and after she described it I said "that sounds kinda rapey" and she said "yeah, that's hot"...
So when it happened in the show I was like "ah shit"
@@phoenixfunny4517 yeah there’s still a very small percentage of women who actually like rapey stuff. There’s a reason why people are shocked when someone actually has a rape fantasy.
@@lemonmarie2161 the supposed "small percentage" are still women that exist and are being ignored or painted as non-existent because what they like goes against a narrative that reactionary dipshits want to hold onto.
Them being small doesn't mean anything anyways, Jocelyn is 1 of them so what's the problem? No one anywhere says that's the standard she's immediately told by her friend that it's not a good thing.
What do you expect from sam levinson, the same man that wrote maddy from euphoria losing her virginity to a 40 year old man when she’s 14.
@★ vi ??? what euphoria u watching
edit: Holyshit I didn't even know that happened wtf that's wild
Yes I heard they basically re-did the entire season. I bet the original was much better
If they had to redo it then it was much worse
@@0912sooli sam literally redid the show because it was “too feminist” if thats not a shitty reason then idk what is
@nonsensicalwebby1663 this isn't true at all? You just made that up.
@@0912sooliAmy was fired and sam scrapped everything she created to create torture porn.
@@phoenixfunny4517 this. There has been only 2 episodes but people already judge it cus of the whole woman director change like cmon. Even if the whole series is shit can we like judge the show by its own. I swear every video has like THE FEMALE DIRECTOR WILL MAKE IT so much BETTER. Nah a shit show with a crap writer and concept will be shit no matter what. Also let’s judge the after all episodes would come….
I get that they wanna show how fucked up Hollywood is, but putting an actress through EXTREMELY GRAPHIC depictions of traumatic events is not the way to go. Sam Levinson never chooses subtlety or nuance; while he sometimes has artistic decisions that come through nicely, 99% of the time its gratuitous panty/body shots and unnecessary r**e and sex scenes.
What if the actress wants to show it the way it is?
It’s literally her job to do it. If she didn’t want to, she wouldn’t have accepted the role. Please think.
it’s really not “extremely graphic” though, i get your points but that’s a stretch
@@nonsensicalwebby1663 i think the commentator is just kinda tired of all the sex and nudity in sam's projects bc those scenes don't have so much depth and ofc lily is gonna take the role, it pays well and makes her even more famous lol
Wher tf is the rape scene you’re talking about. They didn’t even have sex. Did we watch the same show??
Imagine if someone wrote a show about slavery, with the intention to criticize and expose the horrors behind it... and then completely changed the message to "hey, slavery was actually empowering and cool". That's exactly what The Idol is doing.
They're glorifying the thing they were originally going to criticize, thus becoming part of the problem. Pathetic. Screw Sam, Abel and everyone else involved.
not exactly comparable
Glorifying?? I rather see a bunch of people with lots of money and no heart. If after watching episode1 you'd like to step in the protagonist's shoes, I think you should be watching something else.
i feel like child acting or conservatorships would’ve been a better comparison.
regardless of how tasteless the show may be, these are not comparable in the slightest. beyond insensitive
@@randomsomeone18923 Bravo
I think when we saw 'From the creator of Euphoria ' we knew what kind of show it would be.
I wish they would’ve kept the cult aspect in there it would’ve been so interesting
Oh man, you gotta love how they want to show the exploitation of a young woman by… exploiting a young woman. The way Lily-Rose Depp is made to dress CAN work narratively, but I feel like it’s all there for the cheap male-gazey-ness of it. The show was okay - if slightly fucked up - when focusing on Jocelyn but The Weeknd/Tedros shows up and gave me all the icks. I literally only checked it out for Jennie and you know the marketing team know that with how much they’re pushing her in the promos. Fuck, she barely has lines in it! 😭
Personally, hearing that they decided to reshoot it because it was veering into ‘the feminine perspective’ is just peak out of touch main character energy. Like god forbid a show called “The Idol” be about the actual female idol aka the lead. Nope, we should learn more about The Weeknd’s crusty, rapey-ass character. 🙄 It could’ve been such an interesting show, but trust the big men to come in a ruin it.
Yeah that’s so sad, I don’t think this Sam Levinson dude is a good director at all tbh Euphoria only succeeded bc it was well cast tbh 😕😕😕😕🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
@@abbied well, the cast really did breathe the life into Euphoria. But I will say, we should give props where props are due. The cinematography, the soundtrack, the costuming were absolutely terrific in Euphoria, it's the writing that is the problem
@@v1olante The writing doesn’t have anything to do with the director tho or……… wait he’s also the screenwriter/one of the main screenwriters of Euphoria too isn’t he? ://
@@v1olante Is Sam Levinson the main screenwriter/one of the main screenwriters of Euphoria too or not? (Don’t know too much about it so that’s why I asked that’s all) ://
@@abbied yes he writes the show
The Music industry is messed up but Sam Levinson just wanted to show his fetishes. A female director was fired despite 80% of the show being finished and to turn it into a torture porn show is disgusting.
The Weeknd got the first showrunner fired and tells Sam to cut the actresses screentime so he can have more
@@hehasnolips1371 wow, that's just disgusting.
Torture porn LOL! Obviously you have absolutely NO IDEA what real torture porn is! Was that the latest buzzword that you picked up from the magazines and tiktok?! LOL
@@petiteguru1966 thank youuu! This was the point I was trying to make
The dialogue was really weird though. It was very underwhelming like everyone was answering a text message.
Fr I’m so confused
Yes, it was honestly very weird. One of the best things about Euphoria is the emotion put into every line- this show is blank.
And I can't stop picturing the Weekend adopting this culty persona where he wears capes averywhere and answers every interview question with another question. He's already so pretentious as it is. Sorta like how Austin Butler is still doing the Elvis thing after 3 years lol
@walkingearphones7101 no, I agree, the plot in Euphoria isn’t very solid but the acting makes up for it. I honestly don’t think Lily was made for acting either tho, her modeling is much better.
So let me get this straight. The world loved seeing teenagers deal with similar issues in Euphoria but hate seeing adults deal with trauma and lust in Hollywood with The Idol. Okay……….
Exactly...hypocrites
Completely missed the point. The issue isn’t that adults deal with trauma and lust, its how they go about it. Its nothing but torture porn with a weak direction. Euphoria is abit better than The Idol but still has some issues similar.
0:41 WRONG!! Sam Levinson was never a part of The Idol until after Amy left. ALSO FUN FACT! Amy Seimetz is known for playing as Millie Bobby Brown's aunt in Stranger Things.
Cool 🥰💕
I’m a 20 year old dude and film student.Seeing everyone idolize Sam Levinson for euphoria like it was on some kind of breaking bad level, infuriated me. I’m glad people are noticing this guy is weird asl
I think they’re happy it’s so controversial, it’d be nowhere near as big as it is otherwise
That is very true! With controversy brings in more eyes and discussions. However, a show can only ride off of that for so long before it has nothing to carry it! So it will be interesting to see if this show improves over time
@@BrainPilot the worst part, is that Sam probably thinks that the controversy means he did something special, when the show is so absurdly status quo. Not a hint of creativity
Get your point Barry 🇮🇪, but what is the controversy? I only saw the first episode. Just boring. Lily Rose is ok actor & the woman playing her assistant. It was fun when jocelyn said it's my boob, my house 😁.
@@Hannah-y2z I agree with you. Well I gueess i have to See other episodes.
@@BrainPilot I’d say it will improve but be nothing special. I’d say The Weeknd and Lily Rose Depp will be acting in loads of things off the back of this though and both are fairly good actors tbf
Personally I think the show is unwatchable because the weeknd is horrible casting and just gives me a huge ick and is completely unbelievable in that role
Yesss!!! I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks this
Yeah, there’s no way that anyone can convince me that THAT guy is somehow irresistible to women. Tedros just seems like a creep and that’s it.
I think that’s the vibe he was going for . Tedros is a walking red flag
that's what they want. they want you to feel the ick. I've met many guys that are the same. when I was young I also fell for these guys. why is everyone so freaking mad?!
@@MODNAR67 exactly!!!! they want us to see how he lures her in.
One episode was enough for me. I dislike every single character in it. Just gross and a waste of time.
Sounds like you made up your mind before even watching it
@@phoenixfunny4517 Abel, is that you?
why is it gross?! this is reality! women have had their pictures and videos leaked for decades. have you seen all the p*rn female music videos?! I don't get why everyone is so mad. some women love embracing their sexuality and have pleasure in it. it clearly shows how Tedros want to lure her in. She is young, he owns a club. She finds that attractive and interesting as she doesn't have anyone in her life like him currently. This is the reality of many women, not only celebrities!
@@paigew6707 that doesn't even make sense but I get it you gotta get your brownie points somehow
You’ll still hate watch it like everybody else
What really bothers me is that they have such a huge budget plus such a talented cast…. Lily Rose, Troye Sivan, Eli Roth, the girl from BodiesBodiesBodies…. And literally nothing happens…. It seems so damn substanceless…
Nepotism….nepotism…..nepotism……really stinks for all the young actors who have worked their ass off.
The things that they portray in the show are things that actually do happen in Hollywood and the industry, that's true. But they sexualize the characters so much to the point where it becomes uncomfortable and loses its value. Most of the time, during the first episode, they are talking about sex, saying/doing things with sexual connotations, walking around almost naked, or just straight-up having sex. And this is nothing new with Sam Levinsons' work, which is why everyone is so upset over it. His portrayals of nudity in the media are useless. They don't add anything to the story, and it doesn't actually play into portraying who a character is. It's fine if Lily's character is confident in her body and her sexuality, but Sam, using every chance he gets to just shoot scenes of her nips and genitalia just makes it come off as his own rap*y, t0rture p*rn fantasies with no real meaning.
Agree. Its hard to believe that these wired demonic shits are really happening in the music industry and Hollywood. It makes me sick of humans that we follow, such an unhealthy and ungrateful personas. They are so abounded and still live unhealthy. This wolrld is fucked up. Music and moves supposed to wake love, joy and happiness, not this demonic lifes. Part of myself still believe that all of this is exaggerated. What do you think?
I think the story at its core has a lot of potential but idk how the execution of it all is gonna be lol
Yeah it will be interesting to see how it does develop!
People hate this show so much because it's the epitome of looking into the mirror, and seeing how the world truly is staring back at you. "The world is a cruel place." Jocelyn...this show is Good!
It’s so odd because it’s like the writes don’t know how abusers act lol idk why the weekends character just came into her life with them both having an understanding that he’s going to ruin her life that’s not how abusers take control
You all better keep this same energy when episode 2 drops. Last thing we need is enough people hate watching to the point this shit gets renewed.
Personally, I really enjoyed the first episode. I think the lack of drama or big events in it establishes an understanding for the main character's "normal". I don't know how the original director intended for the show to look but I like that Sam Levinson displays the reality of what's happening in a situation like this (the life a Hollywood star) instead of possibly imposing pointed views on it which would be confusing to watch since there is so many side characters to account for by nature of the main character's job. The reality of a woman in her position is that (however anti-feminist it appears) the idea of agency is very complex when there's so much money, pressure, trauma and ulterior motives surrounding your livelihood. I could be reading too much into it but I think that's portrayed pretty well when her personality and expressions make it seem like she's enjoying her choices but her coping mechanisms and constant second guessing of the people she keeps around her shows otherwise.
It ain't Succession..
You literally saw just 1 episode😂
It looks boring tbh
I wish we could see the Amy's version of the show 😢😢😢
Not Bad But Not Good
the weeknd always disturbed me his music makes him seem pervy
It’s shot very well but otherwise pretty shallow. Generous 7/10
The Weekend and HBO are to be blamed for this shtshow
This show was actually pretty good. I think the subject matter is just a little bit too real for some people to take
They wanted to make an American Oshi no Ko but ended up making an hour long music video, what is going on at Hollywood?
In my opinion it is a show I have never seen before. You have to submerge yourself into the story otherwise I can understand that people may not like it or find it lacking any story. After watching episode 2 it made me want to watch the show more. And i don't know if I've heard it right but it took alot of inspiration from artists such as Britney Spears which had not a good experience within the music industry and the surrounding.
The fact that they got Hank Azaria, Jennie Kim, and Eli Roth on the same show is kinda cool.
No..
Jennie is an idiot for being on this. But then bp aren't exactly smart.
This show actually get a Premier at the Cannes film Festival. Standards must be pretty low.
The show lacks writing that permits us to connect and care for the characters, sure it’s very entertaining and pleasing to the eye, but if we can’t connect or even relate emotionally to the character then it is simply eye candy, mindless entertainment, maybe that is the point, maybe the very people and industry this whole show is based on is a true to life representation of fucked up people who you can’t even feel sorry for. I still love a good trainwreck though so I’ll keep watching.
I completely disagree with the negative reviews and criticisms of the show.
I think Levinson is a genius and the show was a masterpiece.
While I understand the criticisms that the show was too sexist, too homophobic, had too much sex, was too much like a music video, too Hollywood, I agree, it was all those things. But it was still a great show and definitely had SUBSTANCE.
Watching the main character (Jocelyn) navigate past trauma, a career block, manipulative friends, and an abusive relationship are all universal themes I could relate to even though I don't live in a 10,000 sq ft Hollywood mansion.
Not to mention the performance by the Weeknd (Tedros) was incredible. He was an extremely complicated interesting character that both the hero and the villain of the show.
I think TV shows are supposed to push the boundaries and break the rules to be entertaining. If anything, being "controversial" is what makes it interesting. To negatively criticize or discredit a show because it's not politically correct or offends people is completely erroneous.
I agree! It’s like he said, they took a “risk”
Ironic. The "Idol" that didn't get enough attention forced his way into the spotlight costing them million and causing some of their best creatives to leave the project. I never cared for the premise of this show. Will Sam be able to recover before the third season of Euphoria? I guess we'll find out. Truth of the matter is, he needs to give his characters a redemptive arch eventually. They can't wallow in sex, drugs, and mental illness forever. Like the Labrinth song suggests, his audience is getting tired.
I guess im the only one who liked the show? Im a fan of different twists, turns and plot twists.
I honestly appreciate the neutral breakdown of the controversy. It really will depend on if they can pull a rabbit out of a hat and make this worth checking out. And while I will say pilots are usually the "weakest" episodes, they are supposed to be the thing that at least gets your attention and sets the tone.
The fact that this is just good visuals and no actual story is really telling.
Pushed its boundaries or… showing you a ‘close to reality’ to what life is like in Hollywood.
1.) Dodgy management surrounding the “superstar” who “handles” the artist and gaslights them to push their own agenda
2.) Selling sex - showing how directors/management push “stars” to cater to the male gaze because it “sells” and ultimately, gives them more money
3.) How unglamorous being a “star” is despite what we, viewing, are shown.
4.) pushing Hyper-sexuality
5.) what happens in an actual Ritual and initiation (Refrence: episode 1) Red dress, and weekend in black cape.
Too much too soon.
1:23 WRONG!! Suzanna Son never left!!! Maybe she thought about it, but she is still in the cast.
It would have been so much better from Jocelyn’s point of view , The Weeknd really messed up reshooting it
Yeah, Jocelyn's story is the most compelling part!
Any artists that watched this show? Would love to hear input.....I honestly didn't think the show was that bad
Jane Adams’ character was the most interesting thing in that slog of a pilot. I hope she gets significantly more screen time going forward.
The Weekend acts like an abusive and controlling Narcissist in this Show. He is so sleazy and slimey in this role. Quite frankly, he gives me the creeps. Unfortunately, he acts horrible off the Show, according to Lily and other people.
cause thats what hes rlly like most likely
Hey goofy, that’s the whole point of his character.
@@marvinguzman924 HE ACTS LIKE THAT OFF THE SHOW, TOO. ACCORDING TO VARIOUS PEOPLE.
The last scene was the literal visualization of les Amands, so that was kinda interesting i tought.
i think to me it makes me not want to get plastic surgery to be perfect. I have most of this girls issues already minus being a pop star but mental health and trying to live and im not even pretty , men just objectify you when youre pretty like yeah you might feel good looking in the mirror but its more dangerous
I'll have to wait and see. It's definitely very intense. I'm waiting for at least the 3rd episode for it to really start taking off. I just need to become more connected to the characters I think. I thought they did a decent job of that, but it's only been two episodes so there's not much to go on yet.
The show feels like the weekends little revenge porn fantasy. Similar to Brad Pitt and that awful Blonde movie. Shame Lily Rose is so exploited in this I do think she can act. Conspiracy theory - Idol is about Selena Gomez. And Blonde is really about Angeline Jolie?
I don‘t think it‘s controversial.. i think it‘s dull so far.. hopefully it gets better
The essence of the show really shows in those scenes with Jocelynn. The casting of Tetros feels very off while the rest of the show really exists flawlessly without him. The graphic scenes didn't shock me but felt extremely out of touch with actual sex. The way Tetros walked back in the room after they supposedly had sex, his skin, hair and clothes are almost intact. Perhaps because she only performed oral sex on him but the dirty talk was very porno like and sounded like a teenager trying to act grown. I don't follow the controversy but only give the show a chance. I think certain scenes (just like in Euphoria) are very powerful, like the one where Jocelyn breaks down midset.
I watched the first episode and it is beautifully shot but nothing really happened like I was watching for like 30 mins and nothing was happening also it is inanely sexual with some scenes that are really unnecessary like what did the show achieve by showing the girl masturbating
I enjoyed it visuals are fire
I wouldn’t say controversial. It’s just not that good
Remember back when Game of Thrones first episode aired and Robert Baratheon came all the way north for a reason we didn't know until the end of the episode and the shocking revelations that came out afterwards??
Yeah that's how you start a show by grabbing our attention and make us care about the protagonist, i didn't get that feeling with this show i got the complete opposite, a random LA tumblr girl having a mental breakdown is not something i care about.
I think that because it's just a fiction that predicted how show business works now. Because since Madonna, most actresses and singers go that way. It's about showing off your body and getting written about in the newspaper or talked about.
This video is a way better understanding and explaining why the show is getting shit on, like I keep seeing reviews saying “it’s bad” or “it’s cringe” and “the dialogue is bad” like it’s seems fine, it’s an interesting concept to see how Hollywood is fucked up, like the on cum face shit, I mean ya it’s gross, but it shows how the famous people actually react to that types of stuff getting leaked, I don’t have a take on the Weekends character yet considering we’re barely on episode 2, but I’m sure it’ll start to show when they start making it about him, but so far I’m interested
This is random but there were moments I saw her fathers gaze
Devil advocate here
I don't think the show's take is bad. If this were a book it would be fine. I've read really weird and off putting books. If you find this show sick then avoid japanese literature. Even when a woman writes it, it can be rough. The point is we can't put our own sensibilities on a fictional story. We also can't call women victims when they don't see it as such. Lily is aware of what she signed up for. She stayed and if she didn't like it, she'd leave or not renew the contract. Also, stop watching and commenting on the show if it's that bad. When you complain you give it life. You keep it relevant.
I also want to add that in any event, if people dislike the show then prop up others that give you the content you want to see. There's so much out there that everyone ignores. I won't plan on watching the show. I'd rather comment and enjoy the angry bitter fans. Aka the hate watchers.
I mean people gonna complain either way weather we like it or not 😂 this show is very heavy and has scenes that aren’t necessary so ofc ppl gonna talk
Ya know, maybe I could have had a “agree to disagree” and then you victim blamed the character hard and wow did a lot of that goodwill just wash away
I feel like a lot of women have no touch with their own sexuality and find masturbating and fantasies bad and disgusting. there's a lot of women who enjoy what jocelyn has enjoyed, also her leaked photo. how is this not our reality? I've seen so many girls have their photos leaked so com'on.
@@kassiejohnson549 women are sick and tired of being objectified. I also enjoy being chocked during sex but this is between me and my boyfriend, I’m so sick of violent porn and depiction of sex showing women being beaten or choked for male enjoyment. I enjoy it in my private time, but I find it repulsive when men sit there and broadcast it. You only deserve to choke a girl if she trusts you completely and the pleasurable pain is for her, not all just for you, and it’s in a completely safe environment. This is so obviously for the men, not for Jocelyn. Also I’ve now come to find out that choking can actually be really dangerous even if done gently so I don’t do it anymore, and neither does my boyfriend, because my safety is paramount. I don’t get these vibes from the show
I haven't watched it and don't plan on it unless the reviews get it better with episodes, but I just want to say there's still a CHANCE it'll get better with time. But honestly, I wish Sam took the time working on this on euphoria instead, since that's the best thing thats ever come out of him despite the issues it has sometimes. season 2 of euphoria was still entertaining as hell and beautifully shot, and some episodes were well written, and you never know, season 3 might go back to season 1s roots, and maybe even better due to writers strike
People, Get a grip, The show, from what previewed, portrays that Lifestyle, Sexual exotic inhibitions, Substance uses, adult fantasies acted out. Hello, it relays realistic lifestestyles, That actually exists, if offended, definately live a sheltered life & not open minded. The actors, Are acting, it's their job- acting., This is not how they are in reality. To pull off a program of this magnitude, pretty good talent. In today's society, there' s much more graphic, degrading & worse violence, entertainment. No one complains about that.
Controversial? People just say it's trash
4:34 is the exact same thing that was said about euphoria at the start.
Also there was context to why she didn't say much in the first episode, and no it wasn't literally 1 hr of her wearing next to nothing. By all means criticise the actions BTS and the other actions of Abel and Sam but don't misrepresent the content of the episode to fit your narrative
Thank you for dropping the feminist vibe. They made the right choice.
Man…she is a very good actress who we have to remember, is Acting. Watch her talk about the character in her normal self and you will see and feel a disconnect to the real character. Don’t judge her for being a good actress and taking the role… it’s what the great ones do and do it well..
So while it’s hard to watch at times especially if you have a daughter like myself, I have to respect her craft..
Now will I keep my daughter far away from the show yes, of course, it’s an adult show..
This first show was cheesy in a few ways but the narrator is correct, it’s what made folks jump on her and how could she play a role like this and all of its graphic nature..but the story is now growing to many layers..
I think it’s written and done very well at this point..
If you done drugs are had glimpses of fame in your history you can understand the scenes and their realities
I have watched 2 episodes and I don’t see the controversy at all, its quite slow and boring. But something about Lily Rose that is compelling.
What if the controversies are all staged and designed to sort of embody the very same sort of derailment the character is to experience. I wouldn't be that surprised.
So allegedly The Weeknd read the script, agreed to it, then in the middle of filming said he didn't want to do it that way anymore because attention wasn't on him? Ok. Well that just makes him sound like a huge man baby. Perfect for the role of a cultist, huge fragile ego.
Ok now that Zendaya got to do the movie that no one saw or cared about, and everyone agrees 💯 this show is trash, can we get back to the Euphoria, the thing we all really want
I feel if all the actors are more than comfortable to do this show then it shouldn’t be controversial. From what I hear the actors liked working with Sam and wanted to create this graphic show together.
unless there are actual quotes. it doesn't matter.
This pilot was more mind numbing and cringe than the kardashians
I made an instrumental music in the atmosphere of this series
That’s cool!
HBO should cancel it as it’s not up to their standards.
I'm a Troye Sivan fangirl and have been ever since he first appeared on TH-cam and his subsequent singing/acting career. I don't care how bad it is, Troye's in it, so I'll watch it!
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@@rinowx5 🤣
Thats probably why they casted him, Lily, Jennie, and The Weeknd. Fans girls like you will tune in no matter how bad it is lmao
@@tyloona - exactly - LOL!! I suppose you could say the same thing about the Harry Styles films as well. But I can’t see Styles winning an Oscar any time soon! 😂
I loved it lol
Haha, that's fair! It's definitely got a good concept at it's core!
In short ...it's an artistic trash
Everyone’s complaint except the actress herself. Quiet honestly I liked it and I think her acting is pretty good
Like father like daughter, it appears... I assume she will also live of her name and the fact that her father did a good movie 2 decades ago.
I agree with a lot of the criticism, including it becoming what's it's trying to satirese, but I think saying it's substanceless is making an effort to miss the point of the show
This show feels like HBO is trying to make porn mainstream. So far it's all about vulgar outfits, unnecessary nudity and pointlessly explicit scenes masking the fact the story is a weak sauce.
They’ve been trying to make porn mainstream for a long time.
Ths problem with the show is that it's just objectively not good. It would be less controversial if there was real substance and a compelling story behind it all. Theres barely any plot. It's basically a long music video mixed with soft core porn. Doesn't help that Lily-Rose Depp is being prtrayed as this sex symbol and she's not even really attractive.
"Doesn't help that Lily-Rose Depp is being prtrayed as this sex symbol and she's not even really attractive."
That's YOUR opinion, d0uch3b@g!
its hard to imagine a beautiful, talented artist like Jocelyn would even look at the unattractive, boring & creepy Tedros. As usual we are encouraged to salaciously watch Jocelyn dress scantily, act provocatively and perform for a man. Why is he covered up? it further compounds that its up to females to stay slim/be beautiful/sexy etc. There's way too much pressure on women and the obsession with appearance and pleasing men, to add this t*rture p*rn with so little substsnce is unnecessary. whilst Abel makes brilliant music & the soundtrack good, the acting aint great but that is the dialogue also. Lily Rose is stunning and hard to take your eyes off. She is talented and i believe she will continue in an upward trajectory if she picks good projects.
It wasnt the best series on tv. But i think the issue with the series is that if people are unable to really think about what it is the show is trying to show it will come across as it does.
I think lilly did an awesome job and most people dont dispute her acting ability but i find alot of people that just dont get it, probably went in expecting something different.
People are critsizing the characters in the series such as abels being really creepy and hard to watch etc but thats the point. The must industry is full of creepy disgusting men who exploit young women etc.
I had no idea it was controversial.
I watched the first episode not knowing about any of the controversy or knowing about what the show was even really gonna be about and I’m kinda glad I did. I’m not saying that so far I think the show is good or that the controversy isn’t valid, I wasn’t particularly impressed with the first episode and I’m genuinely surprised that somehow I missed news about what was going on bts, but I think as a result I was able to watch it without any bias.
To me, the first episode didn’t at all feel like nothing was going on. In my opinion it showed plenty of important things that seem like they will be pertinent to the plot. It introduced us to Joss and showed us the shit she was dealing with, introduced us to the people around her and what they’re like, and showed the start of her and tedros’ relationship which we know is what the plot centers around. It seemed like it was laying the foundation for what’s to come and I think that’s pretty standard for a pilot episode of a series and I wonder if people who’s perspectives were colored by the drama had a harder time recognizing that maybe.
Same here. I thought it was an ok pilot episode. I was pleasantly surprised to see Eli Roth show up though haha.
Most people are completely missing the point of this show or just hating on it for click bait without actually having seen the episodes. How are they supposed to show the dark side of Hollywood and the absurdity of the star machine without actually showing it? This is the reality, just listen to the likes of Britney, Kesha, Gaga etc. :( The cancel culture kids are really going rogue on this one.
First episode is soft porn. Don’t know about the rest, won’t bother watching.
You can show things without being explicit and gross. What happened to good old-fashioned art? The people that make these things don’t even think about the audiences anymore. The objective is to put as much s+x in at as possible.
In my opinion , nowadays people think showing erotic and nude unnecessary scene is cool... idk why people are going away from being disciplined in life it's better to be in limits, showing too much just screams No STANDARDS at all....
Directors , producers and even actors and singers should be aware about the impact they create on this generation on what they perform and release .. songs have started to be explicit and films webseries have crossed the line. Becoz of All that this generation is more into is lust , social media, influencing bad things , people are going away from goals,GOD, being healthy and are more into rubbish things like smoking , vaping , drinking , bullying , judging , sexualising ,drugs and what not ....Stop this normalisation!!!!!
Prudish much?
I'm reluctant and now I'm hesitate to watch this show again. It's really disgusting🤮
It is a shame they used the creep perspective to tell the story through.
That Sam guy is horrible
Lil' Princess looks like Mom and Dad, like she doesn't shower much
Yesssss! It's controversy! That was the goal! And the winner is ....... the show!
Please throw your moralism into the trash can!
I glanced @the background of lily for 2 seconds and It looked like voodoon sigils on the the wall behind her. Is this the "cult" aspect?
I remember when Tony fucking Soprano was a national hero and Enterauge based on Mark Wahlberg pandering women was a hit..dont get me started on oz or californication 😂 ALL GOOD SHOWS. all from the 2000s
Let’s be honest, the shows and movies driven by feminism have bombed recently. Mostly due to the writers inability to express feminist ideals without absolutely shitting on all men
So the Weekend wasn't okay with the show's intent and the producers started over? 🤔
I agree that this show is just trying to be relevant by using A and B list actors and singers and the director of Euphoria ….the writing is horrible …. and relies heavily on extreme nudity “ itty bitty tittie committee” and sexuality …. If the writing gets better and they focus on story lines it might be something worth while to watch…. By the way who is that guy? What you don’t know who Tedros is ?…. Everyone knows Tedros! Blah