@@detroider7844 paimon is a back up "traveler" if you think about it. She holds our inventory, our dialogue history, and all our quests. And I dont doubt she has perfect memory even if shes of the average intellect
Also, venti’s way of recording history trough ballads and fairytales could be tied to what nahida did with scaramouche’s past, she recorded it as a fairytale so it wouldn’t be altered. Maybe Venti’s intentions are the same
Yeah, the archons likely knew what can happen when irminsul is altered or changed. Like how Rex lapis said that he needs to find a better way to engrave the truth of the history, as unchanging stones such as himself can be eroded by time or through the changes of Irminsul as he implied in his story quest and his voice overs about Buer
@@RmiliK No she recorded it. She even said she made a backup of his memories just before he entered the tree She also said "I hid this in one of my dreams" or something along those lines. She hid the allegory, not the sages, they dont give a fuck
Traveler being called 'Teyvat's Witness' makes me think that in Fontaine we'll be part of a trial as literally Teyvat's Witness. Imagine how crazy that would be.
Aether/Lumine are LITERALLY walking therapy sessions, going place to place all over Teyvat. Giving those whose who suffered so much to come back to their senses and move on for a better tomorrow. Yes, even for Archons.
You all remember the quest with the abyss mage and Lisa? And remember how nahida made the fairy tale about scara so she could somewhat remember him? What if every (or at least some) book we can find in the game is something like nahida's fairytale? Maybe istaroth (and ruketavata) hid data/information about deleted stuff in some of them and that's why the abyss order wanted to get the book from Lisa. And since they tried to make a god/mech in the first deinsleif quest maybe they could somehow feed it that info so its attacks would corrupt everything that it touches. Or alternatively they would be trying to feed that info to the abyss sibling since it seems they are somewhat disconnected from irmansul. What the abyss sibling could do with those restored memories/information I don't know but it's a fun theory
Just something to bring attention to but in Nahida’s voice line about visions she kinda implies that they’re eyes of Celestia Edit the line “The heavens grew eyes to behold the true beauty of the world below, but humans already have eyes to begin with. So, what is it they see when they look at the world not with their eyes, but their vision? You're very smart. Can you figure out what the answer is?”
Is it possible the heavens tried to make the human to see what they cannot see? Something the heaven see and want the humans to see. Either it was danger or not
@@The_Worldzzz i I think they'll try to understand humanity through those with an interesting fate. But they could never truly understand just by observation. I think the goddess of time made Venti so they could understand humanity through Venti for he always interact with humans all the time
I think God trying to observe certain people who are highly chance to ascend to Godhood or even worse, are contaminated by the forbidden knowledge... "What is it they see when they look at the world not with their eyes, but with their vision?" Okay, now what is the meaning of vision? It's either "the faculty or state of being able to see" or "the ability to think about or plan the future with imagination or wisdom"... "Look at the world with their vision", doesn't it mean God quietly observes humanity as they planning on the future based of their wisdom as a God? They are aware of their creation who are strong enough with their ambition, which can lead to tragedy 'and cause by Scara's voice line, "Human can find bliss in ignorant". I can't explain it well, and I can't even understand Razor's language so I'm sorry if I make more people confused... 'Cause I myself confused by this, fr...
What do we know about visions? Visions are conduits of elemental energy, not batteries. They allow wielders to channel the attuned elemental energy at their discretion, this also gives them some resistence to that elemental type, though vision wielders can still apparently get elemental poisoning. Visions are tools from Celestia of some kind. Visions have an alter, the human-made Delusion which instead saps life force to _create_ elemental energy, this is apparently similar to the way Abyssal power works. Visions _can_ be passed on to other humans under special circumstances (we have heard about visions being heirlooms) I think the Primordial One created Visions and the system that bequeaths them upon humans, both as a tool for humans to use and as a tool for the Primordial One to watch his favourite creations go about their lives and experience life. Too many positives for the wielders of visions for the visions to be purely a spying tool for Celestia. Remember that the Primordial One is the true first Descender, he came from another place and unified the Abyss and Vishap realms by creating the human realm between them, then populated the world with humanity, his most favourite creations. Apparently envoys would come and go from Teyvat to meet with growing nations and to pass on _things_ to them from above... but we also know a second descended, Celestia "The island in the sky" was described as invading Teyvat, it replaced the Primordial One and is now using the systems he created to instead control, manipulate, watch and farm humans. The only resource in Teyvat that Celestia cannot get from the Abyss or the Vishap Realm if it were to invade those is humans, because humans are exclusive to Teyvat in this world and they exclusively can interact with elemental energy AND abyssal energy without immediately dying.
A quick thought on erosion: In 3.2 (spoilers) Nahida mentioned that after losing her memories of Rukkhadevata she could still feel that she had lost something, like something was first written on paper and erased, leaving only "a dent" that you can't quite read. Maybe the accumulation of several "dents", AKA repeated manipulation of Irminsul's records (and therefore memories of the Archons) over the span several millenia is what Zhongli means when he speaks of erosion?
Honestly zhongli subtly giving us crumbs to future events when looking at his dialogue during liyue's archon quests and his character quests makes me love the man.
@@espio329 He might not be able to give straight answers all the time, but he has apparently found loopholes regarding the reason why by giving hints that we can later piece together
Yea that's what I think as well, as well as Liyue and Sumeru's story tellers, the battle pass cutscene is also something like this. Hoyoverse always held fiction to a high regard, back in Honkai there's an entire arc, Elysian Realm, which argued that fiction, even though it's just a story, every emotion and lesson you learnt is real. Everything you felt will carry through your memories and be manifested in your world and thus the story being fiction will become real through your life.
You made me think. Does Venti actually make up tales/fictions? Or is this possible something like what Nahida did with Scaramouche's memories - hide them as allegory so they are unchanged when the history of the world changes. Is this the source of why he is so suspicious? Does he "know" things without actually knowing them? This could explain why Venti rarely explains his knowledge.
I wonder if it's just an interesting coincidence that the Traveler's twin has in a way been sacrificed to the Abyss and now they're waiting for the Traveler to learn everything. It's like the Abyss Sibling is Odin's eye sacrificed to the well as he hung from the world tree, and he gains wisdom with his remaining eye. Maybe the Khaenrian's eye covering is symbolic of the Abyss sibling being the covered or missing eye. In any case, there are two Travelers and one is a witness and the other is metaphorically under an eyepatch.
Glad your feeling better Aster, you were sorely missed. My take: The Traveler is more a Survivor imo. In similar fashion to the Titanic. (Pun intended) As the only being capable, that we've witnessed -haha- , of purification; it often feels like the Traveler is the only one with the proper tools, skill-set, to mend Tehvat. It's like being a new hire at a job doing the walk through of the various departments only to see the employees and management barely existing amongst a heap of problems, both a lack of tools/supplies and guidance from upper management. No wonder the Traveler just wants to find his sister and get out. Of course rumor is she's working in the basement planting plastic explosives and leading a terrorist revolt like some dystopian anti-hero. Just my humorous thoughts.
That is suprisingly accurate presentation of state of Teyvat, let's add Sneznaha being HR trying to seize control of every single department through blackmail and firing everyone wishing to stop them, only to be erased by CEO (Celestia) in a flash
So according to the records via Irminsul, the abyss sibling completed their training aka previously visited each department before getting hired. Which is why Irminsul has her work history on file. There's apparently some information that's either been corrupted, redacted or lost during the- *Information redacted due to Non-disclosure agreement* This has been red-flagged and is currently under investigation by Nahida in HR. It might be worth speculating however that after the, now referred to as, Abyss Sibling received their job placement (Fate) they were already burnt out from the internship. To think that it would be 500 years of hard labor before being reunited with their twin. Some experiences just can't be conveyed with words....
Great break down of the concept. The biggest question that remains for me surrounding the term "Witness" in Genshin is why Venti's trailer calls him a Witness to the Divine. I'm wondering what that actually means, and what role Venti may play that we're yet privy to.
I think that has to do with Venti being a Bard and taking effort to record history thru creative means like a song + Venti being the first God we run into and often run into again. If you adapt the theory that the traveler is a god before their ascension, Venti is witnessing our story as well aka the divine.
In another thread people were talking about how visions could be celestia's eyes trying to observe humans, and what if archons are also used as eyes for celestia since Venti was called a witness to the divine? This makes me think that Celestia uses many mediums to observe the world of Teyvat and humans: through its archons, through visions, and even through the traveler, who is also referred to as a witness. (the words witness and vision now seem to play the same roles here)
What if by the means of the twin telling us we have alot of time and like we have to go through teyvat first, It means that we will slowly discover the forgotten happenings on teyvat. Like an evil thing that would make us want to be on the abyss side after learning it. Our twin but have witnessed something no one longer remembers.
This isn’t relevant or anything but Zhongli’s english voice actor did a reading of The Wheel of Time series and it somehow makes him feel even more suited for the role of Zhongli
i just noticed that the symbol behind the fake albedo at 4:08 is the same that venti does on the ground with his e and that scara has behind him when he flies
I think in Fontaine celestia may make an appearance since fontaine is a technological advanced just like khaenriah also celestia is directly under fontaine and the hydro archon fears the divine according to what liben said fontaine has dark clouds and a storm is about to break out and people are saying judgement is coming. Could that be celestia’s judgement or the hydro archon’s judgement?. Anyways I’m pretty sure by the time fontaine is here we will probably get a huge lore bomb but this time it will be about celestia/heavenly principles
They are in a energy crisis. When you are on an energy crisis you either seek new sources of energy (technology advances) or drop the inventions that need such energy (reversion). And if they are on the limit of what Celestia aproves the world to advance...
But we don’t even know if technological advances is what even made celestia did what they did. We do even know if the cataclysm even happened because if them
Wasn’t focalors or however u spell it tricked by heaven (celestia) like they said she could come back after 1000 or something years but was tricked and basically thrown out maybe that’s why Fontaine is under celestia
@@isolatedanonymous1979 That's already implied in the game tho? Khaenriah was a city that thrived with technological advancement and wanted to overthrow the gods, that's mostly what the Field Tillers (Ruin Guards) were for, to wage war so they got nuked. The same happened with Sal Vindagyr. The hints are already there, no advanced civilization = no threat to the divine. And it's already confirmed the Cataclysm happened because of Celestia, the Archons were literally sent there.
@@no.1fan156 No, It was implied in the 3.1 Archon quest that the seven were summoned to Khaenri'ah AFTER the cataclysm, After the sky changed color(The traveler even says:"I knew it... the Khaenri'ah cataclysm." even before any mentions of the seven being summoned to Khaenri'ah and right after the "sky changed color" line) which implies that it happened before the archons or celestia were even involved, For all we know Khaenri'ah might've caused the cataclysm and the seven were sent to destroy it so it didn't spread to the rest of Teyvat.
after playing through the scara interlude quest and how nahida stored his memories in a story can be big things to breakdown book lore. also the battle pass cutscene is now pretty much confirmed to be lore accurate. maybe the traveller was only woken up after our sibling failed to retrieve whatever the treasure is told in the cutscene and our fate actually leads upto that treasure pearl or whatever is that
Finally someone gets it. The actual name of the battle bass cutscene is gnostic chorus ofc gnostic coming from Gnosticism and chorus is defined to “a group of people responsible for summarizing events, usually in a play” meaning that the gnostic chorus is a allegory about the traveler
They need the traveller Simply because he is unbound by the very rules of the world that bind them. If they want change, he is literally the only one who can do it.
And yet, because they’re the only one capable of bringing about these changes, I also wonder if the Traveler is specifically descended to maintain order in Teyvat (the order that the Fatui are disrupting), but the archons are hoping to repurpose them to aid the cryo archon. That would be a reason why Nahida gave them all that combat knowledge about MechaScara. Because she secretly *expects* the traveler to join the archons against Celestia, using their otherworldly power; and knowing how to defeat a lesser god (MechaScara) puts them one step closer to defeating a greater god (The Sustainer of Heavenly Principles). Ofc, if the traveler ends up doing that, some data on those celestial cubes would be nice, because being touched by one spells imprisonment and power sealing…
i think it's very sweet that all of the archons we've seen so far see us as another way to preserve them forever. because traveler has been around so long and they're implied to be immortal, traveler will always carry memories with them. and no matter how wary they were of us at the beginning, they realize that traveler is someone they can rely on to be around them for nearly forever. and not only for them, but the twins are able to preserve all of teyvat. and unlike the irminsul, the traveler's memories can't be tainted, changed, or forgotten. the twins may not have started this journey to preserve teyvat nor deeply care about this world, but as their journeys go on, they can't help but care about teyvat. it's kinda bittersweet because there will be a day where teyvat won't exist, but traveler will continue to carry everything that teyvat was. to acknowledge the duty of being the witness means accepting that this will all be gone one day.
“But as their journeys go on, they can’t help but care about Teyvat.” 😌 That’s a good line. It’s why I want to foil the Fatui’s plans so badly. Because as a traveler, finding the sibling is taking a backseat to saving the people of Teyvat.
I like how current Inazuma event ties into Inazuma's big story ark, but overall acts as a mini version of it, with the only difference being the scale of things and the ending
Just wanted to say I love how you tell stories and could listen to you all day long. Thanks for summarizing and giving more context to the Genshin storylines, I need help understanding them.
On the topic of records and recording things, this reminds me of something called “The Golden Record” a, well, record, that has sounds of the earth, music, and greetings in 55 different languages. It was launched into space, as a sort of Time Capsule, in hopes that any other spacefarers may one day come across it. Preserving earths legacy, and telling our story to extraterrestrials people. What I’m trying to get at is that’s it’s very similar to what the traveler is for Teyvat. With Aether bring called “Golden” on multiple occasions. example: Golden Nara, Golden Comet, or just “blonde” if you want to count that. Aether is practically a loving golden record of Teyvat, and possibly many other worlds and planets that have made him a witness as well.
What Celestia is hiding is the use of a fake sky to force the people of Teyvat to have an already written Fate instead of letting them free to pursue their destiny. And those who's actions break through that fake sky ends up having a Vision, that way Celestia ties them into a made up constellation to make them submit. This is the knowledge that Dottore gave to Nahida according to my theory.
Knowing that Rukkhadevata can't leave her responsibility in guarding Irminsul even if a great war has occured tells us that the gravity of maintaining the records in Irminsul is important.
Nahida: Everything you do fascinates me Me: *Spends two irl hours trying to get the luxurious chect in Inazuma on that mountain that you have to open while climging on the cliff below it by walking down the mountain and running up to it before figuring out how to get that chest*
If every event in Teyvat is part of a play, then the Traveler is a Spectator. They can go on the stage, or interact with the actors, but they are and will always be outside the scope of the play.
Its funny cause I play Destiny and the main antagonist of Destiny is called the witness, and the thing that gives us our power as guardians is called "The Traveler" so when the characters call the Traveler a witness Im lowkey worried a lil bit
I cannot help but find a meta implication with the Travller (I.e. us) as witness of Teyvat. Just as the Traveller could visit other worlds, so can we go to other worlds by just going other media or even the real world. Also, we can remember what the original stories are even after retcons and reboots in the same way the Traveller can remember Rhukkhaevatah and Scaramouche. Finally, we will remember Teyvat, its stories and characters after Hoyoverse will inevitably shut down the game, as will the Traveller once they leave the world for good. I always love these types of stories (if written properly of course), and this is one the most interesting takes I have seen.
_Herein I commit the chronicle of the Traveler, shepherd to the stars in the dark_ _Though Teyvat be sundered and our souls set adrift, where you walk, my dearest friend, fate shall surely follow_ _For yours is the final seat..._
Maybe not just the Traveler but all decendants act as history records to an entent. Something terrible is likely to happen to Teyvat to emphasize the Traveler's role as a "witness".
Wow I'm quite early Record of history... It's a really new concept for protagonist, it's a first for me If Venti knew that history of Monstad can be erased then it makes sense that he hid them with stories just like Nahida Wow Venti, big brain
I have a theory that the unknown god isn’t an evil entity. There’s a lot of evidence that something extremely dark is happening behind the scenes, and only someone from beyond Teyvat can save it. Basically, my theory is the unknown god stopped the twins on purpose for a greater good. Perhaps she went rogue against Celestia? I’m not entirely sure, but I do know that the traveler being separated from their sibling, and their sibling choosing to lead the abyss is purposeful.
In Honkai we currently have new knowledge on the equivalent of the Unknown God, to keep it as brief and minimise spoilers: She is a servant of a higher power who is "dreaming" this world, her job is to cycle the world over and over again until the "dream" is the right one. Honkai and Genshin are now overlapping in their story and themes so much that they are almost telling the same story at certain points. We don't know whether the Unknown God is doing the same, but if she's the Goddess of Time or Fate, she might be doing something similar, cycling fate until someone breaks destiny.
@@GuyWithAnAmazingHat sounds like the Sumeru Samsara dream but on a worldly scale. But the question is, what variables need to change to be the "right" dream? And will this leader to the dreamer to wake up, thus the concept of erasure and witnesses extending into the real world after the game stories are told?
"But when we wanted to leave this world we were stopped" something like that You might be right I heard that the traveler was summoned here So it mean that the unknown God isn't the villian, she was just desperate
Just noticing that the portal the Lecturn and Abyss Sib use during the story quest when you run into them has a symbol very similar to the symbol for Phyrexia. That could be really interesting
Oh there is definitely a conversation worth having comparing Khaenriah and it's forbidden knowledge to Phrexia and its devotion to phyresis. The black mud could be glistening oil corrupting the very mana/elements and memories of the land. Also worth mentioning: Phyrexias original ruler, before Yawgmoth, was supposedly a dragon planeswalker long since deceased. I thought it interesting that the 7 dragon sovereigns originally ruled Tehvat. Eerie similarities.
I’ve seen this video pop up into my recommended a few times and always wanted to watch it but put it off because of whatever arbitrary reason I came up with. Having finally watched it, this was great! I always love a good lord dive into topics I’m heavily interested in and this was definitely a trip, thanks so much for the great content!
This whole witness thing and the "Forbidden knowledge" is really interesting. I myself am not a big lore geek but it reminds me of how some fantasy worlds are built. Especially the part where forbidden knowledge bring upon natural disasters. There a type of world in fantasy where its rules are dictated by the collective belief of how the world should work. If you can convince enough people you can fly, you can fly. While its likely not how teyvat functions it is an interesting thought experiment or "what if". If we assume this is how teyvat works then the fact that forbidden knowledge can cause natural disasters is just teyvats own "laws" reacting to the "truth" on how the world truly works. Honestly i want to see a proper story that uses this concept to its fullest someday, ive been obsessed by it for a while
Wow. I just stumbled upon your channel through this video and I'm blown away. You give Genshin the very deep insight and analysis that it deserves. I can't wait to explore more of your videos!
I think tha Venti's songs are additionally noteworthy because as we know from the Hekzencircle by wrapping knowlegde in allegory and metaphor it can avoid Irmunsole tampering. It might be his way of backing up information.
Off topic but does anyone else get goosebumps while listening to Zhongli's VA? I'm wearing headphones and when Zhongli started talking at 8:55 it was like I was suddenly in an ASMR video. Good lord that man's voice is amazing! Great video BTW, I really like your analysis of the lore. Genshin is a rabbit hole of deep lore and it's nice to have videos like this help put things in perspective.
Damn, this captured perfectly one of my biggest fears that one day when humanity comes to an end, there won't be anything left to remind future civilizations about our legacy. Everything will just simply disappear as time goes by. Heck, even this amazing game and many others will be forgotten eventually. That's just sad
If you think about it, this game is basically the earth crumbling down in the hands of people who think they are superior. The archons are the people who defend themselves against the said superiors. The traveller is one being guided in that rebellion, though it will take time for the superiors to back down. That's why the game will probably only finish its lore 6 years after its release.
This gives dains line on teyvat chapter trailer of “show me you’re worthier than i to rescue her, then the threads of all fate will be yours to reweave…” a different meaning
Apart from obviously being the main character, why would the archons specifically need TRAVELLER as a witness? When there are like 3 more descenders other than the traveller 🤣. Also It was mentioned in the interlude that Pierro was a khaenriahn MAGE and knows the Abyss Sibling. And also from Wanderers voiceline it mentioned that Pierro frequently sends him to the ABYSS to investigate something I Wonder why? Is it because Pierro was looking for the Abyss sibling in the depths of Abyss or something? Another thing to note is thag PIERRO tasked SCARAMOUCHE the 6th harbinger to go to frequent trips to the Abyss, not the 3rd or 4th or any higher ranking harbinger. This might imply that Scara has a special edge which what makes him the top choice in this Abyss exploration (might be his insane durability, being a puppet or somethin). Scara also went back alive with those frequent trips which speaks volume on how durable or strong he is.
As far as I can theorize The first Descender is Celestia (I'll expand on this in another vid, but Heavenly Principles) The second has perished as far as we know So that leaves at least two ~
@@ChillwithAster Arethere more than 4 descenders? I felt like Nahida really didn't expound on this. She merely stated that they are descenders in Teyvat and the traveller is 4th of them. She didn't specifically say that there were only 4 descenders, we just assumed that. So maybe there's likely a 5th, 6th or more descenders other than Celestia (1st) , 2nd, 3rd and us (4th)
@@lowliethxd1471 That's already hinted in the game. The other descenders were higher entities that came even before the Archon war, refer to some lore found in Enkanomiya and stuff about the Primordial One. There are also books that talk about some old gods and even angels but I never bothered to remember their name. They're not mentioned directly but they're all there if you look.
I’m not certain if they need the traveler to be a witness, or if the traveler is just conveniently there. Also, the archons don’t seem to fully trust the traveler, given how at least 2 of the ones we met weave deceptive words and establish lies as truths to conceal their intentions to help the Fatui (Venti saying he’s the weakest archon to prepare to not use all his power vs. Signora, Nahida saying she can’t fight in order to distract from her high spellcasting abilities and act powerless vs. Dottore, etc.) I’m going with a theory that says the original traveler (that we think we’re playing as) was killed by the Heavenly Principles, and their soul was placed in a divine puppet/golem. This puppet has the same emotions and thoughts as the original traveler, but also an instinct to observe Teyvat, maintain the world’s order, and kill anyone who intends to destroy the current order, whether it’s the abyssal forces or Fatui. And because the archons are working with the Fatui, who we are working against, they want to repurpose us to help the Fatui, and don’t want us to succeed in protecting a single gnosis. That’s why 3 out of 4 times, we’ve been ambushed/trapped, before the gnosis was stolen or handed over. Because in Zhongli’s case, we wouldn’t win a fight, but the other 3 times, we would’ve if there was no trap
growing theory: the primordial god and the second throne are the twins and time is a circle. ever locked in the same conflict repeating over and over. similarly: the twins are reincarnations. still having the same struggle but less confusing time explanation.
12:15 wait a minute..... Since Nahida was able to retain original memories via backdoors and allegories despite Irminsul reset.... Does that mean all of Venti's songs are allegories as well? His way of hiding his original memories from the Irminsul resets? It would make sense since his first dialogue hinted that he had met us before.... Maybe Istaroth gave him a few tips before her dissapearance
I wanna mention i think it's interesting that the gods that are thematically oposing (freedom and contracts, wisdom in dreams and ambition and eternity in static and a stop in progress) have similar views on erosion and time, or legacy and history It shows that while they believe in very different things they're not all that different, both venti and eventually zhongli think the humans can rule themselves with the occasional helping hand, and both nahida and ei believe they need guidance or a leader, but they changed how their nations were ruled a bit by the end of their story quest Their nations also have similarities, zhongli and ventis home nations are both incredibly reflective of the gods themselves, and fairly consistent throughout, yes there's areas that are different like stormterrors lair and the chasm but fairly consistent otherwise, but both inazuma and sumeru have large areas that are equal to or larger than the area that feels reprentitive of their nations, the desert in sumeru's case, and only one island feels like the one ei rules, and both of these places have had gods ruling their nation or areas of their nation for just as long or longer than them themselves, and both have residents that follow completely different gods even if they arent alive, in liyue this is slightly true but its a bit different because you can tell liyue as a nation is united and thriving, even if there are a few people that push away the idea of following morax and follow the perceived ideals of dead gods like the god of salt, but most people in liyue love morax and the adepti, most people in mondstat love venti, in sumeru only some people love nahida, even though she's great, for different reasons, like following the scarlet king or being of the old akademia and while the shogun has her followers, she had an entire resistance and there are entire islands that barely think of her in anyway other than she is a force in the world, one that they might or might not oppose, watatsumi being an example of a whole shrine to a different diety, one that ei killed idk just thought all this was interesting
I’m so angry I can’t watch any of your videos (3.3) cus I have had no time to do the archon quest but it’s winter break so I’ll finally be able tk finish it in one sitting
politically motivated clowns had me cackling 🤣 thank you for your videos once again i always love watching / listening to them while i do my genshin daily chores
From what I understand after playing the game until Sumeru (This is my speculation and theory) I think the travellers sibling made a deal with Celestia in order to protect the traveller, he/she was sent by Celestia to erase any remaining knowledge of Kanreah from the entire Tevyat, that's why it seems that only the archons know about Kanreah, and erase any other history regarding Celestia destroying any other civilization, that is why no one knows the true history of enkanomiya,(if you did the story quest in enkanomiya you remember an abyss mage searching for a book containing the history of Enkanomiya), in the process of the siblings travels he stumbles upon some unkown truth and betrays Celestia.(Because in the battlepass we are told that the first sibling becomes corrupted and another is sent, which might refer to the traveller) which might imply after Celestia knowing about the betrayal the traveller awakens but most of their power's sealed as a safety measure, meaning traveller might not a witness most likely freed/awakened by Celestia to see that if the memory/information of Kanreah or any other piece of information regarding Celestia bringing down any civilization that resisted them
I remember when I first played GI that the lore was "Very obvious" and not at all hard to understand. But now I'm second guessing every special event, every lore entry. The ascension materials for certain characters and even clothing. I remember meeting Danse for the first time and thinking his clothes looked... similar to the traveler. As well as Keaya's. With star patterns incorporated into the design. Only to discover their secret connections to Kahneria. Things are very well thought out, nothing seems to be an accident. (For example I keep seeing themes of "Time" "Immortality vs Mortality" "Outliving others" in story quests and special events) I remember when we first meet Kazuka, that the Traveler explicitly says don't want a vision. (Perhaps they see no need) However When first coming to Teyvat they were confused on what a vision was and often ask others to explain what a Vision is and what another Character sees it as. What I don't remember is wether or not the Traveler has slight amnesia. I haven't finished the entirety of the Dendro Archon quest so I haven't gotten that far yet. But as a Descender, why do they not know these important bits of information of other worlds Celestia overrules? "Other worlds" The Traveler has seen others worlds, but Visions seem to only be in Teyvat? I'm missing something here.
I believe that visions are unique to the world of Teyvat, as it turns out, it is the celestial gods who offer visions to Teyvat's mortals. What makes me believe this is for the company's other games, it seems, all games are connected in some way, the best way to describe it is the Welt of Honkai Star Rail is the same as Welt from Honkai Impact 3rd (even if they are different games from the same company), and none of these games have what are known as visions, it's not something the humans in the other games need to be strong, as with their own technologies, they technically don't even need vision. To me, it makes a lot of sense that the traveler has no knowledge of vision precisely because it is the first time he has visited Teyvat and be unique in this world
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Istaroth deserves a raise for the script writing
And maybe delete Paimon, 'cause her voice is really f*cking up slowly
@@detroider7844 paimon is a back up "traveler" if you think about it. She holds our inventory, our dialogue history, and all our quests. And I dont doubt she has perfect memory even if shes of the average intellect
@@detroider7844 Even if she's annoying its guarantee she's gonna be useful later in the story
@@MarcBasa855like maybe with the unknown god
Istaroth shopping date story quest or hangout event coming in 2025
Also, venti’s way of recording history trough ballads and fairytales could be tied to what nahida did with scaramouche’s past, she recorded it as a fairytale so it wouldn’t be altered. Maybe Venti’s intentions are the same
well yeah duh
Nahida did not record it tho, the sages did and she only saved it Incase of emergency or need
Yeah, the archons likely knew what can happen when irminsul is altered or changed. Like how Rex lapis said that he needs to find a better way to engrave the truth of the history, as unchanging stones such as himself can be eroded by time or through the changes of Irminsul as he implied in his story quest and his voice overs about Buer
@@RmiliK No she recorded it. She even said she made a backup of his memories just before he entered the tree
She also said "I hid this in one of my dreams" or something along those lines. She hid the allegory, not the sages, they dont give a fuck
@@tomikun8057nah nahida said the sages kept a copy as leverage against scaramouche to control him, then she hid it in an allegory of a fairytale
Traveler being called 'Teyvat's Witness' makes me think that in Fontaine we'll be part of a trial as literally Teyvat's Witness. Imagine how crazy that would be.
Y this isn't pinned yet!!!!🫣🫣
You didn't know how right u were bro
Jajaja 😂
UHMMM I HAVE SOMETHING TO TELL YOU
10 months later…
Aether/Lumine are LITERALLY walking therapy sessions, going place to place all over Teyvat. Giving those whose who suffered so much to come back to their senses and move on for a better tomorrow. Yes, even for Archons.
Yeah, the archons DEFINITELY need a LOT of therapy. They have so much trauma, and have lost people close to them, people who they used to be.
Traveler:Lets start our session.
Nahida:It all started when I was born.
@@shadowclaw7210he even got Ei to touch grass
You all remember the quest with the abyss mage and Lisa? And remember how nahida made the fairy tale about scara so she could somewhat remember him? What if every (or at least some) book we can find in the game is something like nahida's fairytale? Maybe istaroth (and ruketavata) hid data/information about deleted stuff in some of them and that's why the abyss order wanted to get the book from Lisa. And since they tried to make a god/mech in the first deinsleif quest maybe they could somehow feed it that info so its attacks would corrupt everything that it touches. Or alternatively they would be trying to feed that info to the abyss sibling since it seems they are somewhat disconnected from irmansul. What the abyss sibling could do with those restored memories/information I don't know but it's a fun theory
Venti's songs are probably also recording history the same way.
@@GuyWithAnAmazingHat and the Alberich clans word of mouth history
hmm I feel like I've read this before in another video
What is this quest with Lisa?
@@wallacyryan8211 Her first story quest is about returning an overdue book that got stolen by an Abyss mage
Just something to bring attention to but in Nahida’s voice line about visions she kinda implies that they’re eyes of Celestia
Edit the line “The heavens grew eyes to behold the true beauty of the world below, but humans already have eyes to begin with. So, what is it they see when they look at the world not with their eyes, but their vision? You're very smart. Can you figure out what the answer is?”
Is it possible the heavens tried to make the human to see what they cannot see? Something the heaven see and want the humans to see. Either it was danger or not
@@The_Worldzzz i
I think they'll try to understand humanity through those with an interesting fate. But they could never truly understand just by observation. I think the goddess of time made Venti so they could understand humanity through Venti for he always interact with humans all the time
I think God trying to observe certain people who are highly chance to ascend to Godhood or even worse, are contaminated by the forbidden knowledge... "What is it they see when they look at the world not with their eyes, but with their vision?" Okay, now what is the meaning of vision? It's either "the faculty or state of being able to see" or "the ability to think about or plan the future with imagination or wisdom"... "Look at the world with their vision", doesn't it mean God quietly observes humanity as they planning on the future based of their wisdom as a God? They are aware of their creation who are strong enough with their ambition, which can lead to tragedy 'and cause by Scara's voice line, "Human can find bliss in ignorant".
I can't explain it well, and I can't even understand Razor's language so I'm sorry if I make more people confused... 'Cause I myself confused by this, fr...
What do we know about visions?
Visions are conduits of elemental energy, not batteries. They allow wielders to channel the attuned elemental energy at their discretion, this also gives them some resistence to that elemental type, though vision wielders can still apparently get elemental poisoning.
Visions are tools from Celestia of some kind.
Visions have an alter, the human-made Delusion which instead saps life force to _create_ elemental energy, this is apparently similar to the way Abyssal power works.
Visions _can_ be passed on to other humans under special circumstances (we have heard about visions being heirlooms)
I think the Primordial One created Visions and the system that bequeaths them upon humans, both as a tool for humans to use and as a tool for the Primordial One to watch his favourite creations go about their lives and experience life. Too many positives for the wielders of visions for the visions to be purely a spying tool for Celestia.
Remember that the Primordial One is the true first Descender, he came from another place and unified the Abyss and Vishap realms by creating the human realm between them, then populated the world with humanity, his most favourite creations.
Apparently envoys would come and go from Teyvat to meet with growing nations and to pass on _things_ to them from above... but we also know a second descended, Celestia "The island in the sky" was described as invading Teyvat, it replaced the Primordial One and is now using the systems he created to instead control, manipulate, watch and farm humans. The only resource in Teyvat that Celestia cannot get from the Abyss or the Vishap Realm if it were to invade those is humans, because humans are exclusive to Teyvat in this world and they exclusively can interact with elemental energy AND abyssal energy without immediately dying.
ooh I got chills. I remember Keaya's comment about the visions being eyes too.
A quick thought on erosion: In 3.2 (spoilers) Nahida mentioned that after losing her memories of Rukkhadevata she could still feel that she had lost something, like something was first written on paper and erased, leaving only "a dent" that you can't quite read. Maybe the accumulation of several "dents", AKA repeated manipulation of Irminsul's records (and therefore memories of the Archons) over the span several millenia is what Zhongli means when he speaks of erosion?
Yep! Wanderer also mentioned something pre-Scaramouche
😟😦😦😦😦😦😦😦😯😯mine broken
Honestly zhongli subtly giving us crumbs to future events when looking at his dialogue during liyue's archon quests and his character quests makes me love the man.
@@espio329 He might not be able to give straight answers all the time, but he has apparently found loopholes regarding the reason why by giving hints that we can later piece together
Venti used His Bard's song to records & protect History from Irminsul erasure, so clever.
Yea that's what I think as well, as well as Liyue and Sumeru's story tellers, the battle pass cutscene is also something like this.
Hoyoverse always held fiction to a high regard, back in Honkai there's an entire arc, Elysian Realm, which argued that fiction, even though it's just a story, every emotion and lesson you learnt is real. Everything you felt will carry through your memories and be manifested in your world and thus the story being fiction will become real through your life.
You made me think. Does Venti actually make up tales/fictions? Or is this possible something like what Nahida did with Scaramouche's memories - hide them as allegory so they are unchanged when the history of the world changes. Is this the source of why he is so suspicious? Does he "know" things without actually knowing them? This could explain why Venti rarely explains his knowledge.
I wonder if it's just an interesting coincidence that the Traveler's twin has in a way been sacrificed to the Abyss and now they're waiting for the Traveler to learn everything. It's like the Abyss Sibling is Odin's eye sacrificed to the well as he hung from the world tree, and he gains wisdom with his remaining eye.
Maybe the Khaenrian's eye covering is symbolic of the Abyss sibling being the covered or missing eye.
In any case, there are two Travelers and one is a witness and the other is metaphorically under an eyepatch.
KAEYA
Kaeya is just Hagen.
Glad your feeling better Aster, you were sorely missed.
My take: The Traveler is more a Survivor imo. In similar fashion to the Titanic. (Pun intended)
As the only being capable, that we've witnessed -haha- , of purification; it often feels like the Traveler is the only one with the proper tools, skill-set, to mend Tehvat. It's like being a new hire at a job doing the walk through of the various departments only to see the employees and management barely existing amongst a heap of problems, both a lack of tools/supplies and guidance from upper management.
No wonder the Traveler just wants to find his sister and get out. Of course rumor is she's working in the basement planting plastic explosives and leading a terrorist revolt like some dystopian anti-hero.
Just my humorous thoughts.
That is suprisingly accurate presentation of state of Teyvat, let's add Sneznaha being HR trying to seize control of every single department through blackmail and firing everyone wishing to stop them, only to be erased by CEO (Celestia) in a flash
Why does this feel so true tho-?😂
So according to the records via Irminsul, the abyss sibling completed their training aka previously visited each department before getting hired. Which is why Irminsul has her work history on file. There's apparently some information that's either been corrupted, redacted or lost during the-
*Information redacted due to Non-disclosure agreement*
This has been red-flagged and is currently under investigation by Nahida in HR.
It might be worth speculating however that after the, now referred to as, Abyss Sibling received their job placement (Fate) they were already burnt out from the internship. To think that it would be 500 years of hard labor before being reunited with their twin. Some experiences just can't be conveyed with words....
Great break down of the concept. The biggest question that remains for me surrounding the term "Witness" in Genshin is why Venti's trailer calls him a Witness to the Divine. I'm wondering what that actually means, and what role Venti may play that we're yet privy to.
I think that has to do with Venti being a Bard and taking effort to record history thru creative means like a song + Venti being the first God we run into and often run into again. If you adapt the theory that the traveler is a god before their ascension, Venti is witnessing our story as well aka the divine.
In another thread people were talking about how visions could be celestia's eyes trying to observe humans, and what if archons are also used as eyes for celestia since Venti was called a witness to the divine? This makes me think that Celestia uses many mediums to observe the world of Teyvat and humans: through its archons, through visions, and even through the traveler, who is also referred to as a witness. (the words witness and vision now seem to play the same roles here)
omg that might also explain why archons can't give out visions :O
mind blown
imagine going on a journey to find your missing sister but people see u as an sd card
What if by the means of the twin telling us we have alot of time and like we have to go through teyvat first, It means that we will slowly discover the forgotten happenings on teyvat. Like an evil thing that would make us want to be on the abyss side after learning it. Our twin but have witnessed something no one longer remembers.
Traveler: what’s your hobby?
Nahida: *sings cotton eye joe*
This isn’t relevant or anything but Zhongli’s english voice actor did a reading of The Wheel of Time series and it somehow makes him feel even more suited for the role of Zhongli
i just noticed that the symbol behind the fake albedo at 4:08 is the same that venti does on the ground with his e and that scara has behind him when he flies
similar but not the same, theyre called sigils
I think in Fontaine celestia may make an appearance since fontaine is a technological advanced just like khaenriah also celestia is directly under fontaine and the hydro archon fears the divine according to what liben said fontaine has dark clouds and a storm is about to break out and people are saying judgement is coming. Could that be celestia’s judgement or the hydro archon’s judgement?. Anyways I’m pretty sure by the time fontaine is here we will probably get a huge lore bomb but this time it will be about celestia/heavenly principles
They are in a energy crisis. When you are on an energy crisis you either seek new sources of energy (technology advances) or drop the inventions that need such energy (reversion). And if they are on the limit of what Celestia aproves the world to advance...
But we don’t even know if technological advances is what even made celestia did what they did. We do even know if the cataclysm even happened because if them
Wasn’t focalors or however u spell it tricked by heaven (celestia) like they said she could come back after 1000 or something years but was tricked and basically thrown out maybe that’s why Fontaine is under celestia
@@isolatedanonymous1979 That's already implied in the game tho? Khaenriah was a city that thrived with technological advancement and wanted to overthrow the gods, that's mostly what the Field Tillers (Ruin Guards) were for, to wage war so they got nuked. The same happened with Sal Vindagyr. The hints are already there, no advanced civilization = no threat to the divine.
And it's already confirmed the Cataclysm happened because of Celestia, the Archons were literally sent there.
@@no.1fan156 No, It was implied in the 3.1 Archon quest that the seven were summoned to Khaenri'ah AFTER the cataclysm, After the sky changed color(The traveler even says:"I knew it... the Khaenri'ah cataclysm." even before any mentions of the seven being summoned to Khaenri'ah and right after the "sky changed color" line) which implies that it happened before the archons or celestia were even involved, For all we know Khaenri'ah might've caused the cataclysm and the seven were sent to destroy it so it didn't spread to the rest of Teyvat.
The year is 2030, we're still watching and listening to Aster and her beautiful theories...
after playing through the scara interlude quest and how nahida stored his memories in a story can be big things to breakdown book lore. also the battle pass cutscene is now pretty much confirmed to be lore accurate. maybe the traveller was only woken up after our sibling failed to retrieve whatever the treasure is told in the cutscene and our fate actually leads upto that treasure pearl or whatever is that
Finally someone gets it. The actual name of the battle bass cutscene is gnostic chorus ofc gnostic coming from Gnosticism and chorus is defined to “a group of people responsible for summarizing events, usually in a play” meaning that the gnostic chorus is a allegory about the traveler
@@theunrelatable5961 but nahida said lumine is not outlander?
They need the traveller Simply because he is unbound by the very rules of the world that bind them.
If they want change, he is literally the only one who can do it.
And yet, because they’re the only one capable of bringing about these changes, I also wonder if the Traveler is specifically descended to maintain order in Teyvat (the order that the Fatui are disrupting), but the archons are hoping to repurpose them to aid the cryo archon. That would be a reason why Nahida gave them all that combat knowledge about MechaScara. Because she secretly *expects* the traveler to join the archons against Celestia, using their otherworldly power; and knowing how to defeat a lesser god (MechaScara) puts them one step closer to defeating a greater god (The Sustainer of Heavenly Principles). Ofc, if the traveler ends up doing that, some data on those celestial cubes would be nice, because being touched by one spells imprisonment and power sealing…
i think it's very sweet that all of the archons we've seen so far see us as another way to preserve them forever. because traveler has been around so long and they're implied to be immortal, traveler will always carry memories with them. and no matter how wary they were of us at the beginning, they realize that traveler is someone they can rely on to be around them for nearly forever. and not only for them, but the twins are able to preserve all of teyvat. and unlike the irminsul, the traveler's memories can't be tainted, changed, or forgotten.
the twins may not have started this journey to preserve teyvat nor deeply care about this world, but as their journeys go on, they can't help but care about teyvat. it's kinda bittersweet because there will be a day where teyvat won't exist, but traveler will continue to carry everything that teyvat was. to acknowledge the duty of being the witness means accepting that this will all be gone one day.
“But as their journeys go on, they can’t help but care about Teyvat.” 😌 That’s a good line. It’s why I want to foil the Fatui’s plans so badly. Because as a traveler, finding the sibling is taking a backseat to saving the people of Teyvat.
I think zhongli telling us we're the witness is like hoyoverse telling us to remember this game and the memories youve made in it
And in case we forget the small details of this game, our irl Irminsul is TH-cam.
Cant help but notice Persona OST, not only did you have great hypotheses and integration of info tidbits but also a great taste for bgm
Oh thank God. I thought I was hallucinating it cause I sometimes miss Persona 3 specifically.
13:30 Kusanalis voice lines: where did you come from? Where will you go?
Me: Cotton Eye Joe 🎶
I like how current Inazuma event ties into Inazuma's big story ark, but overall acts as a mini version of it, with the only difference being the scale of things and the ending
Just wanted to say I love how you tell stories and could listen to you all day long. Thanks for summarizing and giving more context to the Genshin storylines, I need help understanding them.
On the topic of records and recording things, this reminds me of something called “The Golden Record” a, well, record, that has sounds of the earth, music, and greetings in 55 different languages. It was launched into space, as a sort of Time Capsule, in hopes that any other spacefarers may one day come across it. Preserving earths legacy, and telling our story to extraterrestrials people.
What I’m trying to get at is that’s it’s very similar to what the traveler is for Teyvat. With Aether bring called “Golden” on multiple occasions. example: Golden Nara, Golden Comet, or just “blonde” if you want to count that. Aether is practically a loving golden record of Teyvat, and possibly many other worlds and planets that have made him a witness as well.
What Celestia is hiding is the use of a fake sky to force the people of Teyvat to have an already written Fate instead of letting them free to pursue their destiny.
And those who's actions break through that fake sky ends up having a Vision, that way Celestia ties them into a made up constellation to make them submit.
This is the knowledge that Dottore gave to Nahida according to my theory.
That an interesting vision you have here.
It’s a good day when aster uploads hope she is feeling better
I’m glad aster took the break they deserved and is feeling better.
Knowing that Rukkhadevata can't leave her responsibility in guarding Irminsul even if a great war has occured tells us that the gravity of maintaining the records in Irminsul is important.
Nahida: Everything you do fascinates me
Me: *Spends two irl hours trying to get the luxurious chect in Inazuma on that mountain that you have to open while climging on the cliff below it by walking down the mountain and running up to it before figuring out how to get that chest*
I like the new intro Aster,btw its great to see that you're feeling better, lastly thanks for the christmas gift...I mean the great video.
If every event in Teyvat is part of a play, then the Traveler is a Spectator. They can go on the stage, or interact with the actors, but they are and will always be outside the scope of the play.
Did someone say "Cadehara Carzuha"? 🤣
Its funny cause I play Destiny and the main antagonist of Destiny is called the witness, and the thing that gives us our power as guardians is called "The Traveler" so when the characters call the Traveler a witness Im lowkey worried a lil bit
That is certainly concerning... What if the Heavenly principle is the “Destiny”?
I cannot help but find a meta implication with the Travller (I.e. us) as witness of Teyvat.
Just as the Traveller could visit other worlds, so can we go to other worlds by just going other media or even the real world.
Also, we can remember what the original stories are even after retcons and reboots in the same way the Traveller can remember Rhukkhaevatah and Scaramouche.
Finally, we will remember Teyvat, its stories and characters after Hoyoverse will inevitably shut down the game, as will the Traveller once they leave the world for good.
I always love these types of stories (if written properly of course), and this is one the most interesting takes I have seen.
Sooo, Aether is basically carrying archons' emotional baggage
_Herein I commit the chronicle of the Traveler, shepherd to the stars in the dark_
_Though Teyvat be sundered and our souls set adrift, where you walk, my dearest friend, fate shall surely follow_
_For yours is the final seat..._
Azem :D
Good to see you’re feeling better. thanks for another video
Maybe not just the Traveler but all decendants act as history records to an entent. Something terrible is likely to happen to Teyvat to emphasize the Traveler's role as a "witness".
Wow I'm quite early
Record of history... It's a really new concept for protagonist, it's a first for me
If Venti knew that history of Monstad can be erased then it makes sense that he hid them with stories just like Nahida
Wow Venti, big brain
The Travelers use was already spoiled by a loading screen trivia.
"Teyvat has its own rules."
Traveler doesn't apply.
I have a theory that the unknown god isn’t an evil entity. There’s a lot of evidence that something extremely dark is happening behind the scenes, and only someone from beyond Teyvat can save it. Basically, my theory is the unknown god stopped the twins on purpose for a greater good. Perhaps she went rogue against Celestia? I’m not entirely sure, but I do know that the traveler being separated from their sibling, and their sibling choosing to lead the abyss is purposeful.
I agree. From what we know she's vaugely aggressive but not threatening, for now.
according to rule 34 she'll also be the traveler's girlfriend, i speculate sometime in 5.3 archon quest
In Honkai we currently have new knowledge on the equivalent of the Unknown God, to keep it as brief and minimise spoilers:
She is a servant of a higher power who is "dreaming" this world, her job is to cycle the world over and over again until the "dream" is the right one. Honkai and Genshin are now overlapping in their story and themes so much that they are almost telling the same story at certain points.
We don't know whether the Unknown God is doing the same, but if she's the Goddess of Time or Fate, she might be doing something similar, cycling fate until someone breaks destiny.
@@GuyWithAnAmazingHat sounds like the Sumeru Samsara dream but on a worldly scale.
But the question is, what variables need to change to be the "right" dream? And will this leader to the dreamer to wake up, thus the concept of erasure and witnesses extending into the real world after the game stories are told?
"But when we wanted to leave this world we were stopped" something like that
You might be right
I heard that the traveler was summoned here
So it mean that the unknown God isn't the villian, she was just desperate
I hope /think our tital in fontain will have somthing to do with witnes
But so far first sage of beur gives me shivers
you were right
Btw loved the Persona music in the background!!
Just noticing that the portal the Lecturn and Abyss Sib use during the story quest when you run into them has a symbol very similar to the symbol for Phyrexia. That could be really interesting
Oh there is definitely a conversation worth having comparing Khaenriah and it's forbidden knowledge to Phrexia and its devotion to phyresis. The black mud could be glistening oil corrupting the very mana/elements and memories of the land. Also worth mentioning: Phyrexias original ruler, before Yawgmoth, was supposedly a dragon planeswalker long since deceased. I thought it interesting that the 7 dragon sovereigns originally ruled Tehvat. Eerie similarities.
@@witchcandy3671 That is the vein I was thinking in, too
@@witchcandy3671 i dont get it
This video feels like it has a Destiny 2 title if you know the lore for that game
Context:
In destiny there is a god of light called the traveller and a entity that controls dark godly energy called the witness
@@A_random_funeral_consultant Seeing as how Genshin Traveler seems so closely related to light itself, seems accurate enough
I’ve seen this video pop up into my recommended a few times and always wanted to watch it but put it off because of whatever arbitrary reason I came up with. Having finally watched it, this was great! I always love a good lord dive into topics I’m heavily interested in and this was definitely a trip, thanks so much for the great content!
Just realised Yelan has Dainsleif’s dash. Omg, twins?
"Politicly motivated clowens" that was personal 💀
while we are talking about recent events, archon quest etc, hyv's creative department polished Venti's archon quest lol.
I’m so glad that you are feeling better! Looking forward to the projects that are coming up.
This whole witness thing and the "Forbidden knowledge" is really interesting. I myself am not a big lore geek but it reminds me of how some fantasy worlds are built. Especially the part where forbidden knowledge bring upon natural disasters.
There a type of world in fantasy where its rules are dictated by the collective belief of how the world should work. If you can convince enough people you can fly, you can fly. While its likely not how teyvat functions it is an interesting thought experiment or "what if".
If we assume this is how teyvat works then the fact that forbidden knowledge can cause natural disasters is just teyvats own "laws" reacting to the "truth" on how the world truly works.
Honestly i want to see a proper story that uses this concept to its fullest someday, ive been obsessed by it for a while
Wow. I just stumbled upon your channel through this video and I'm blown away. You give Genshin the very deep insight and analysis that it deserves. I can't wait to explore more of your videos!
Just had a thought. What if Focalors constantly messes around with history and the erasure factor of irminsul because water is a cause of erosion.
Glad to hear you're feeling better. I can't wait for your next video.
"Cardehara Carzuha" wow that caught me off guard
You have such a soothing voice, im amazed
I think tha Venti's songs are additionally noteworthy because as we know from the Hekzencircle by wrapping knowlegde in allegory and metaphor it can avoid Irmunsole tampering. It might be his way of backing up information.
Off topic but does anyone else get goosebumps while listening to Zhongli's VA? I'm wearing headphones and when Zhongli started talking at 8:55 it was like I was suddenly in an ASMR video. Good lord that man's voice is amazing!
Great video BTW, I really like your analysis of the lore. Genshin is a rabbit hole of deep lore and it's nice to have videos like this help put things in perspective.
Damn, this captured perfectly one of my biggest fears that one day when humanity comes to an end, there won't be anything left to remind future civilizations about our legacy. Everything will just simply disappear as time goes by. Heck, even this amazing game and many others will be forgotten eventually. That's just sad
Yeah cause you be heaven or hell for pleasing God or sinning
If you think about it, this game is basically the earth crumbling down in the hands of people who think they are superior. The archons are the people who defend themselves against the said superiors. The traveller is one being guided in that rebellion, though it will take time for the superiors to back down.
That's why the game will probably only finish its lore 6 years after its release.
Traveler as a external harddisk and potential virus carrier for the P.A.I.M.O.N server computer is kinda make sense to me
I love your videos so much, they're so interesting and make me happy 😭💖💖
i'm here after Fontain and the fact that you most of this is right is mind boggling
Oooh. I needed this! Sick in bed with covid again. Super miserable. Weeee! Haven't been able to eat or drink anything but hot tea and soup for days :(
This gives dains line on teyvat chapter trailer of “show me you’re worthier than i to rescue her, then the threads of all fate will be yours to reweave…” a different meaning
I have a feeling the traveler and the other archons are going to join up with the Cyro Archon to battle Celestia
i would like that to happen
this video is so GOOD it also reminded me why I love Ei so much
Ngl you should make this into a Spotify podcast, so that we can listen to you on the go
Lovely listening to the lore. Came here for the second time cuz of that laugh at the end
Bro I've been playing way too much Destiny.
Saw the title and did multiple double takes before finally realizing what it meant lol.
Apart from obviously being the main character, why would the archons specifically need TRAVELLER as a witness?
When there are like 3 more descenders other than the traveller 🤣.
Also It was mentioned in the interlude that Pierro was a khaenriahn MAGE and knows the Abyss Sibling.
And also from Wanderers voiceline it mentioned that Pierro frequently sends him to the ABYSS to investigate something
I Wonder why? Is it because Pierro was looking for the Abyss sibling in the depths of Abyss or something?
Another thing to note is thag PIERRO tasked SCARAMOUCHE the 6th harbinger to go to frequent trips to the Abyss, not the 3rd or 4th or any higher ranking harbinger.
This might imply that Scara has a special edge which what makes him the top choice in this Abyss exploration (might be his insane durability, being a puppet or somethin). Scara also went back alive with those frequent trips which speaks volume on how durable or strong he is.
As far as I can theorize
The first Descender is Celestia (I'll expand on this in another vid, but Heavenly Principles)
The second has perished as far as we know
So that leaves at least two ~
@@ChillwithAster Arethere more than 4 descenders?
I felt like Nahida really didn't expound on this.
She merely stated that they are descenders in Teyvat and the traveller is 4th of them.
She didn't specifically say that there were only 4 descenders, we just assumed that.
So maybe there's likely a 5th, 6th or more descenders other than Celestia (1st) , 2nd, 3rd and us (4th)
@@lowliethxd1471 That's already hinted in the game. The other descenders were higher entities that came even before the Archon war, refer to some lore found in Enkanomiya and stuff about the Primordial One. There are also books that talk about some old gods and even angels but I never bothered to remember their name. They're not mentioned directly but they're all there if you look.
I’m not certain if they need the traveler to be a witness, or if the traveler is just conveniently there. Also, the archons don’t seem to fully trust the traveler, given how at least 2 of the ones we met weave deceptive words and establish lies as truths to conceal their intentions to help the Fatui (Venti saying he’s the weakest archon to prepare to not use all his power vs. Signora, Nahida saying she can’t fight in order to distract from her high spellcasting abilities and act powerless vs. Dottore, etc.) I’m going with a theory that says the original traveler (that we think we’re playing as) was killed by the Heavenly Principles, and their soul was placed in a divine puppet/golem. This puppet has the same emotions and thoughts as the original traveler, but also an instinct to observe Teyvat, maintain the world’s order, and kill anyone who intends to destroy the current order, whether it’s the abyssal forces or Fatui. And because the archons are working with the Fatui, who we are working against, they want to repurpose us to help the Fatui, and don’t want us to succeed in protecting a single gnosis. That’s why 3 out of 4 times, we’ve been ambushed/trapped, before the gnosis was stolen or handed over. Because in Zhongli’s case, we wouldn’t win a fight, but the other 3 times, we would’ve if there was no trap
13:19 "where did you come from where will you Billy eye joe"
growing theory: the primordial god and the second throne are the twins and time is a circle. ever locked in the same conflict repeating over and over. similarly: the twins are reincarnations. still having the same struggle but less confusing time explanation.
woah! You're also going to cosplay matsuri on DEC 28?! Me too! Omg, I hope I can meet you there Aster!! 🤩🤩
12:15 wait a minute..... Since Nahida was able to retain original memories via backdoors and allegories despite Irminsul reset....
Does that mean all of Venti's songs are allegories as well? His way of hiding his original memories from the Irminsul resets? It would make sense since his first dialogue hinted that he had met us before....
Maybe Istaroth gave him a few tips before her dissapearance
yey! Crush is back and well now! :) Another great content as usual!
I wanna mention i think it's interesting that the gods that are thematically oposing (freedom and contracts, wisdom in dreams and ambition and eternity in static and a stop in progress) have similar views on erosion and time, or legacy and history
It shows that while they believe in very different things they're not all that different, both venti and eventually zhongli think the humans can rule themselves with the occasional helping hand, and both nahida and ei believe they need guidance or a leader, but they changed how their nations were ruled a bit by the end of their story quest
Their nations also have similarities, zhongli and ventis home nations are both incredibly reflective of the gods themselves, and fairly consistent throughout, yes there's areas that are different like stormterrors lair and the chasm but fairly consistent otherwise, but both inazuma and sumeru have large areas that are equal to or larger than the area that feels reprentitive of their nations, the desert in sumeru's case, and only one island feels like the one ei rules, and both of these places have had gods ruling their nation or areas of their nation for just as long or longer than them themselves, and both have residents that follow completely different gods even if they arent alive, in liyue this is slightly true but its a bit different because you can tell liyue as a nation is united and thriving, even if there are a few people that push away the idea of following morax and follow the perceived ideals of dead gods like the god of salt, but most people in liyue love morax and the adepti, most people in mondstat love venti, in sumeru only some people love nahida, even though she's great, for different reasons, like following the scarlet king or being of the old akademia and while the shogun has her followers, she had an entire resistance and there are entire islands that barely think of her in anyway other than she is a force in the world, one that they might or might not oppose, watatsumi being an example of a whole shrine to a different diety, one that ei killed idk just thought all this was interesting
Thanks for my regular dose of existential crisis and the idea of the inevitable impermanence of everything, albeit in a fictional universe
awww hell yeah aranara cosplay pictures!
We are also going with my friend at Matsuri Cosplay! See u there! 😊 and hope you’re doing fine.
I think your laughter is adorable
"Politically motivated clowns" got to be the best description of the Fatui I've ever heard.
love the intro aster!
in love with your voice ! 🫶
brb about to read every single book I collect in genshin along with artifacts
Don’t forget about Albedo’s “witness my great undertaking”
Celestia watching this video - 👁️👄👁️
Traveller looking at Celestia: Give my sister/brother back!😡
I’m so angry I can’t watch any of your videos (3.3) cus I have had no time to do the archon quest but it’s winter break so I’ll finally be able tk finish it in one sitting
I am here just to hear you say "ashoomptions" or any variation of the world. Keep it up!
The Traveller being the witness reminds me of the Star Trek the Next Generation episode, "Inner Light".
"where did you come from, where did you go, where did you come from traveler"
-Nahida
politically motivated clowns had me cackling 🤣 thank you for your videos once again i always love watching / listening to them while i do my genshin daily chores
Most sensible senate member
Bro I came to this video in seconds 😂 btw we missed you so much
From what I understand after playing the game until Sumeru (This is my speculation and theory) I think the travellers sibling made a deal with Celestia in order to protect the traveller, he/she was sent by Celestia to erase any remaining knowledge of Kanreah from the entire Tevyat, that's why it seems that only the archons know about Kanreah, and erase any other history regarding Celestia destroying any other civilization, that is why no one knows the true history of enkanomiya,(if you did the story quest in enkanomiya you remember an abyss mage searching for a book containing the history of Enkanomiya), in the process of the siblings travels he stumbles upon some unkown truth and betrays Celestia.(Because in the battlepass we are told that the first sibling becomes corrupted and another is sent, which might refer to the traveller) which might imply after Celestia knowing about the betrayal the traveller awakens but most of their power's sealed as a safety measure, meaning traveller might not a witness most likely freed/awakened by Celestia to see that if the memory/information of Kanreah or any other piece of information regarding Celestia bringing down any civilization that resisted them
after watching this, makes me realise why we have a travel log now
You would make such a great voice actor!!!
I remember when I first played GI that the lore was "Very obvious" and not at all hard to understand. But now I'm second guessing every special event, every lore entry. The ascension materials for certain characters and even clothing. I remember meeting Danse for the first time and thinking his clothes looked... similar to the traveler. As well as Keaya's. With star patterns incorporated into the design. Only to discover their secret connections to Kahneria. Things are very well thought out, nothing seems to be an accident.
(For example I keep seeing themes of "Time" "Immortality vs Mortality" "Outliving others" in story quests and special events)
I remember when we first meet Kazuka, that the Traveler explicitly says don't want a vision. (Perhaps they see no need) However When first coming to Teyvat they were confused on what a vision was and often ask others to explain what a Vision is and what another Character sees it as. What I don't remember is wether or not the Traveler has slight amnesia. I haven't finished the entirety of the Dendro Archon quest so I haven't gotten that far yet. But as a Descender, why do they not know these important bits of information of other worlds Celestia overrules? "Other worlds" The Traveler has seen others worlds, but Visions seem to only be in Teyvat? I'm missing something here.
I believe that visions are unique to the world of Teyvat, as it turns out, it is the celestial gods who offer visions to Teyvat's mortals. What makes me believe this is for the company's other games, it seems, all games are connected in some way, the best way to describe it is the Welt of Honkai Star Rail is the same as Welt from Honkai Impact 3rd (even if they are different games from the same company), and none of these games have what are known as visions, it's not something the humans in the other games need to be strong, as with their own technologies, they technically don't even need vision. To me, it makes a lot of sense that the traveler has no knowledge of vision precisely because it is the first time he has visited Teyvat and be unique in this world