Why (and How) were Aether and Lumine Summoned by the Khaenri'ahns [Genshin Impact Lore Theory]
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Khaenri'ah simply saved up enough intertwined fates and pulled for lumine🔥
Yeah, and they didn't have enough for aether
omg 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
And lost 50/50...
I'd say they won 50/50 and got both. But the other was delayed.
@@thalaseamyst3934 Server lagged ? 🤣
Kheanrian pulled the Gacha and won 2 five stars in a Row.
Gigachad
After that lose everything
Probably like 6 stars in lore I guess
real canon actually cause they became broke afterwards.
Not Khaenri’ah doing the 50/50 meaning 0.1% chance for a isekai protagonist
😂😂😂😂😂
SATOR, AREPO, TENET is an ancient mystic square of letters that was discovered in it's earliest forms at Pompeii. Sator Square on Wikipedia. The Genshin Lore subreddit correctly identifies the Corax, miles, lympha with Initiatory ranks in the Mithraic Mysteries
Let me tell you a story, the final story arc of Honkai 3rd part 1: There was once a scientist who lost her entire planet in a disaster where an entity from the Abyss preyed on the dreams of her civilisation, she became the sole survivor and continued the final work of her people, to find a way to bring back her civilisation and world. She suffered in loneliness for centuries only accompanied by the backups of the brainwaves of her people she hopes to bring back if possible, these "people" exist in a dream like data space, continuously playing out in an endless cycle as she fails to find any solution for countless centuries.
One day she came to a conclusion, to be able to bring back a whole planet and civilisation, she has to become comparable to the entity that destroyed her planet, she has to become a god. So she made a clone of herself to take care of the ongoing work as she prepares to undergo a process that will transform her as she absorbed power from beyond. This second who came retained as much humanity as possible, but was not allowed to be human, she was merely there to sustain the principles and processes to keep the entire project alive.
After even more centuries the newly made god reawakened, she checked on the work of her sustainer, who has now prepared a planet for her to bring back the civilisation. The god has lost nearly all her humanity in the process of becoming a god, becoming more about logic and authority, which she believes is needed to reconstruct an entire world. She was unsatisfied with the lifeless planet even as she seeded it with new life, it's a mere imitation of what she intends to achieve, so she continuously destroyed and reseeded the world for countless cycles, all while her more human-like clone watched in despair, herself slowly losing her own humanity over time.
Each time the world was destroyed and awaiting rebirth, the god would enter hibernation and meditation to save energy, but this time she awakened to a different scenario, an interstellar traveler and her ark which contained seeds of life and technology to terraform a planet had crashed landed on her planet. This 3rd descender herself was in hibernation, so the god took advantage of the ark's technology as well as the traveler's unique ability, the ability to shape reality as she paints with the colours of the rainbow.
The god decided to split what remains of her own humanity left into 7 colours, making 7 clones of herself of different authority representing different aspects of her personality to govern the planet and further advance the process and experiment of bringing back her world. Even with the 7, she was unsatisfied with the world she has made, she continued destroying and rebirthing the world in countless samsaras.
Then a 4th traveler descended on this planet, summoned by a mysterious entity, met the 7 as well as the 2nd who came, turns out she was a comrade of the one who descended before her. Now we as the 4th and 3rd who descended on this planet is working with the 7 and the 2nd to defeat the god and make her realise where she has gone wrong in her desperation to bring back her world.
And the person who summoned us in this story is also a comrade of the 3rd Descender Griseo and 4th Descender Fu Hua. Btw this person who summoned them is called Su, creator of the bubble universe "Sumeru", has the ability to view and interact with bubble universes across the Hoyoverse; In Genshin he is Alhaitham, but Alhaitham definitely has nothing to do with summoning the Siblings. Su summoned Fu Hua(4th) to help Griseo(3rd) and in the process save the world from the 1st's mistakes. What happened in the end? 1st was defeated and the 2nd took all her power, leaves the planet to let them flourish on their own and she finally gets freedom.
There's too much parallel with this current Honkai 3rd arc and Genshin to ignore, in fact the 3rd descender in this story Griseo, once had a long speculated and debunked theory to be the Primordial One in Genshin as she had the power to manipulate reality and terraform worlds with her ark and mission to travel the stars to be the backup of Earth and humanity.
Nice to meet you Captain
I swear if hoyo does not reference anything but making genshin have its own ending, separate from the rest of hoyoverse games, I will riot. Indeed, there is so much likeliness for these games to be a coincidence
@@Skyrem22 they said the games are related, different but similar worlds on the tree branches of the Imaginary Tree. Thats why we have people like Yae Sakura and Sakura from HI3 being similar, or the Sustainer looking like Kiana or HoV.
who was the second descender and what role did kevin play in all of this also who was the first descender?
@@saaishpanhalkar6714 This is the epilogue, after Kevin's arc.
The first descender is Saha, last survivor of Venus. She is Honkai's version of Saha from the pre-Mihoyo game Legend of Saha.
Legend of Saha is an extremely influential game made by Cai Haoyu before he founded Mihoyo with Dawei.
Literally all of Honkai and Genshin lore is influenced by it.
The second descender is Saha's clone Vita.
How am I getting to know that the siblings were summoned by khaenrians only now?!💀 I thought they came to teyvat after their home world was destroyed?
Cariberts storyline pretty much confirms it "you were the abyss" You were supposed to save us. This implies that they summoned Lumine and Aether in order to fight Celestia. But to much of this is unexplained in the game currently. Why was Celestia after Khaenri'ah in teh first place, why was the dragon's caught in between, how was the Abyss formed from the beginning, did the travellers come from the Abyss and therefore crowned as Princess of the Abyss by Clothar. Is the Abyss a corrupted heaven and Lumine and Aether was what it produced as the last chance for survival. I can keep going.
It was also revealed in a name card that say: "O Almighty Sovereign, the Universitas Magistrorum has provided the predictions you requested: The two stars have been captured by the world's gravity... After a lengthy orbital period, today their paths shall intertwine once more.". Its how i found out about it lol
You learn it from Scaramouch after he did some search inside irminsul... Simple as that xD
@@hirods9889 literally the easiest answer 😭 they straight up tell it to you in your face, but it's easy to forget for some reason
@@lachede I mean, he tell us that without ambiguity, riddles or detour xD
''yeah don't know your case but Jester told me that your sibling was summoned and since he was a royal mage at the time that infos is trustworthy''.
No ambiguity, no detour, simple and precise
Also a throwaway line in the Marie Ann quest, Marie Ann asks Lumine about flowers in her home land and Lumine answers the flower in her hair but that flower is meant to be from Khanreiagh.
Which is strange because if Lumine was your traveler then she suppose to not have any knowledge on Khaenriah and that during the Dainsleif cataclysm quest traveler (Lumine ver) when ask by Dainsleif how she got the inteyvat flowers she stated when she woke up she notice the flowers were already on her hair (implying that Aether our abyss twin was the one to put it on her when she was still asleep)
The beastly rifts remind me of when a melusine said that traveller appeared to be a huge monster that can devour the world (forgot the quest name, probably the one w/ the artist melusine) Melusines have a special sight, so maybe they could sense something abt the traveller?
Melusines are born from Elynas' (a monster Rhinedottir made using forbidden knowledge) blood, and from the description of Albedo's 2.3 event weapon/weapon refinement mats, we know the blood of Gold's monsters is so alien to the world of Teyvat that it is CORROSIVE.
You could say that the Melusines' senses "weird senses" see thro the more materialistic/illusionary things and look at the true nature of things. Perhaps the reason why Sigewinne served suspicious meat, something that we can obtain from the kid's of APEP, the dendro sovereign, in Sumeru, is because she sees other creatures as too "alien" or unhealthy considering that only the vishaps and the sovereigns are native to the land of Teyvat.
@@frenchrevenge6406 This is very accurate I just want to make one correction, Rhinedottir conjured something that resembles Elynas soul, she did not create Elynas. It is heaveily implied that Elynas existed before Rhinedottir. I am not sure why she thought elynas was important it's tied to the tokens that the melusines have, I think it was the first experiment for a vision. The melusines behave like the embodiment of a vision, meaning they only want to fulfill one wish and they feel hollow if they don't. It's also extremely noteable that the melusines refer to Paimon as Big-Sis. It is possible that they said that in jest but I don't think so I think Hoyo is hiding endgame lore. I am not sure if Paimon knows but the Melusines def do.
One note: It's never said that it was the Second Who Came that assisted the First with making the gnoses out of the Third. It just says "one who came after" helped create them. It doesn't have to have been a Descender.
The three rings of Latin have been adequately addressed elsewhere and I'm sure someone will go over the details, however, it's one thing to translate them with Google and another to figure out the real meaning. Well - having said that the smaller two rings are just magical sounding harry Potter nonsense.
But the third (which I recognized from the original runes) is the same message as appears on the Lector's prayer book, which is a modified version of the words on Mona's circle, the hydro seal on the door of what became Mona's house and the Hypostases when they cast spells. It is (in Latin)
ex culmine lucis in magno elementorum
lux se effundat in mentes dei
and the Abyssal version is:
Ego sum fatus Abyssi ergo mondo
ex culmine lucis in magno obscuritatis
lux se effundat in mentes Abysso
And at first I though these words were just some magical sounding filler, but as the years have gone on, the overall plot has kinda made these statements more and more relevant because they speak of, or pray for, either the Primordial One or the Second Throne to absorb the elemental energies of the Light Realm. There are many translations from the Latin and here's mine:
From the most perfect radiance within the supreme elements
let energy pour into the minds of god
Abyss version:
I am the fate of the Abyss, therefore I say
From the most perfect desolation within the void
let energy pour into the minds of the Abyss
Now at this time we also have the Primordial One gathering the authority of the Sovereigns ("most perfect radiance") of the 7 elements ("the supreme elements") into thrones presumably using the absorptive quality of Celestial energy and it's higher tier status over elemental energy with "the minds of god" a reference to the will of higher tier energy.
Some similar sort of energy collection plan appears to be going on in the Abyss, where there are "dark currents" the equivalent of Ley Lines (according to Enkanomiya).
You can see that the two statements are like mirror images except the Abyss version has the added first line, "I am the fate of the Abyss, therefore I say" which is a pretty obvious thing for an Abyss Lector to say but also reminiscent of the "Fortune Lector" from Caribert.
SATOR AREPO TENET OPERA ROTAS is a magic square or in this case, rune that protects from demons, harm and such. It was found in the ruins of Ancient Pompeii (Uh, that symbolism)
I understand all of the Celestia hate, but I feel like 99% of the people of Teyvat just want to live out a normal life and the other 1% get nukes dropped on everyone because they tried too hard to become Honkai characters. I guess I’m questioning the morality of the righteous few, like the descenders, to take it upon themselves to try and shatter the illusion that, let’s say, the people of Mondstadt and Liyue are straight chilling in. 😅
But is it still wrong when they’re essentially trying to save the whole world from approaching calamity? If the valkyries in Honkai hadn’t fought against the Honkai and in the end Kiana hadn’t absorbed the cocoon of finality, they would all have died just like the people in the previous era. And it would all have reset… unless it was their last chance, their last samsara perhaps, just like it’s mentioned in Rene’s notes in Genshin. What if Teyvat is doomed unless the traveler saves it this time around?
@@shironeko1611 Rene was also batshit insane and wrong. He tried to save the world, but ended up causing nothing but trouble. You can’t give him a free pass just because he had “good intentions”.
Remus tried to help his people avoid a tragic fate, but the tragic fate was the result of him playing god and creating the golems, thus creating a rift between his people and the rest of humanity.
The flood from the Fontainian prophecy was caused by the pet project of Surtalogi, the epitome of a Genshin character larping as a Honkai character.
And last but not least Khaenri’ah, which was destroyed AFTER they had screwed up and released a flood of monsters across the entirety of Teyvat. A majority of Khaenrians probably just wanted to live normal lives, but the ones in charge tried to play god and, of course, ruined everything. Keep in mind that Celestia allowed Khaenri’ah to exist for the span of multiple dynasties until their hand was forced.
From what I can see, all of these ancient civilizations seem to destroy themselves. 🤷♂️
“ Thousands of Worlds you have Traveled, Yet you are as naive as a Child, no Lessons of any manner Sustained, that is why your Power to change Destiny has been Sealed, and your Kin’s has not, you have betrayed Their Trust…”
This from Honkai?
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks this is what I imagine what the Heavenly Principles would have to say to The Sibling.
I'll just assumed that at certain point Descenders cannot enter Teyvat again. So Kaenriah sent outside a bait to form a connection, kind of like a fishers throw a bait into a river when fishing.
And then when Lumine back to Teyvat she knows she'll get cubed by the Unknown Goddess. After she got cubed, she immediately wake up and run to Kaenriah, only to saw the city got wrecked.
Meanwhile Aether only wake up 500 years later since he's not from Teyvat so the cube effects took longer than Lumine.
About Beastly Rifts, if you're interested, there was a discussion of it some time ago on Lore subreddit and i have made a post there compiling the most prominent info from all the discussions. The post called "Analysis of Beastly Rift" and should be under "Lore Resource" tag.
And if you're only interested in translation and want to look stuff up from 0 on your own:
Outer circle: Lux se effundant in mentes dei, Ex Culmine lucis in magno elementorum
Middle Circle: Messor Phaos Pater Corax Lympha Miles Leaena
Inner Circle: Opera Rotas Sator Arepo Tenet
It's really interesting, especially since they never really came into play and you can find a separate one on the institute territory (near one of the southern waypoints i believe) with camera setup right next to it
I thought the dark mass in a spell circle with a camera setup in fornt of it under the institute was the mutated corpse of the guy Alain and René experimented on with Elynas blood
@@cernunnos8344 That is not what i'm talking about but, iirc, that mass is also not Carter's body. That is supposed to be a sample from chasm that Rene got either from Adventurer who he commissioned or Jakob who was sent there, i don't remember for sure.
The circle i'm talking about should be in Liffey region, i think near the northern teleport waypoint
The tenet opera sator bit is a reference to sator squares, a sort of symmetrical poem in Latin that was seen as a magical symbol in the middle ages due to reading the same in all directions
If I remember correctly, Jewish Merkabah mysticism has this thing about "descending to the heavenly chariot" and becoming one with God. Mystics who managed this were sometimes called descenders.
doesn't irmuinsel have records of lumine because she was part of the previous Samsara/cycle
this will explain why dispute traveling the world , no one, especially the archons don't know lumine
the siblings finished their journey, their cycle/samsara already .
Its hard to say, the samsara theory has a lot of evidence at this point but hasnt been fully explained. The aranara did remember the sibling, though they are bit of a special case. Its easy enough explained that its been 500 years and many of the people the Sibling met are dead from old age or the cataclysm. Plus the likelyhood that Venti and Zhongli are hiding the truth.
@@TheCsel not to spoil a world quest so I'll keep it vague, but there's a fountain world quest that actually straight up confirms the cycles and even gives us a number for them
It's a theory, we have no actual data why Abyss Sibling was written in Irminsul.
@@twinkiesmaster69 Not exactly, there is no specification what this "Cycle" actually means, we had information about some sort of Cycles, when Celestia "restarts" Teyvat, but how it exactly worked, what exactly was affected etc... we have no data on, only observations, that a lot of things still remain after those "restarts", some vanished, but were saved in some places that were outside Celestia's rule, so all we know for sure now is - there were some Cycles, but we don't know exactly what those Cycles really mean, also Genshin is written in a "Observer's Perspective" way, when we get information from the point of view of the information giving source and which is not an actual factual data.
Also in those Rene's note was written about Floods, but he presented it as the World Event and not local, but we can say for sure, that there were no Flood cycles in other regions, vice versa, in Li Yue there were Cycles of droughts for example, and in the same quest Rene found to be wrong in many details, when on surface of the picture he was actually right, as Before Sun and Moon book btw, that describes some real events, that later on by Apep and Neuvillette were confirmed to be not really accurately described in this book (Perspective of an Observer again), and many other sources, which were right and wrong at the same time, and the problem is to differentiate which part is right and which is wrong and how right is the first and how really wrong is the second.... (it's a classical writing manner, very common for books like Citizen of Carcosa, King in Yellow, Divine Comedy, The Lesser Key of Solomon, etc.., when for example - person tells you something about some events from the past, he is not actually lying or wrong, but what he tells is his perspective and understanding of events and not an objective truth, such Storytelling is also called - Archeological story telling or more commonly known as Observer's Perspective.)
I think the main reason why our sibling is considered from this world is because she was summoned and the summoning was approved the summoning however we just came with our sibling. Maybe this is one demand to become a descender
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I wonder if the events in the opening cut scene took place long before the summoning, and the summoning only awoke one twin from being sealed. If the keeper later depleted her power fighting the cataclysm, then it might only be a matter of time that the seal on the second twin would fail. Are both twins preparing to take down a keeper, not knowing that she is powerless, each by their own and opposite means? Did the keeper use the last of her power to release the seal on the second twin to try to fix things, and become paimon?
We do know the opening scene has Mondstadt, thus it happened after the Archon War. So the only conflict the siblings are likely to see in the opening is the Cataclysm.
My theory is that the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles kept us in Teyvat so that we would do something for her. Perhaps, overthrow Celestia, because that's the most likely course of action for people stopped by supposedly celestial being. But the Sustainer could not tell it to us directly because we were being watched or her conflicting loyalties or something.
Hot take the twin is the dead 3rd defender and what we see now is a puppet created by the abyss order to have a undying leader
Doubt… more likely 3rd IS lumine who wrote herself into the irmsul (scaramoush and Rukka deleted themselves from it so it’s logical to say if u can delete urself from the data u can ADD urself to the data..” lumine is in a samsara involving all of teyvat… I’m more convinced that after she went on her journey she became corrupt and slowly started being influenced by the WILL of chaos/void who uses wishes on her to achieve its goals.. before she became fully corrupt to prevent the void from having full control of her powers without her”alive” she manage to have her body sent to the next cycle .. just like nahida was able to save aether memories after rest in the sumeru samsara and reawaken it over and over till he final broke free… I think lumine is doing the same thing .. lumine said “I been thru this world once before.. when u get to the end of ur journey ull understand “ aka aether gave up on trying to convince deyha she was in a loop.. basically I’m
Saying lumine gave up on telling us it’s a cycle… no point... just like nahida recovered the memories each reset.. I’m thinking lumine before all of teyvat dies at the end of each cycle to the void and before she’s fully corrupted.. she has her body(dead or alive) sent/recovered in the next cycle where the 1st and 2nd grind her body up into dust to put in the gnosis to give to the archons to PROTECT Humanity.. thus why the 3rd is unknown yet has the same properties as aether because lumime wrote herself f into the irumsul hence she’s not a descender while being the 3rd.. example t Scaramoush doesn’t “exist” but is the wanderer.. Rukka doesn’t “exist” and nahida “always was archon “ 💀 removing and adding chances one’s existence or at least awareness of it… 😂 lumines not a puppet.. also all life in teyvat dies at the en of each cycle including aether … just like sumeru samsara and loop nahida put us thru to fight and lose to scaramoush 100s of times to LEARN so we could eventually beat him… I think Lumine.. celestia.. the 1st.. etc are all tryna to break this loop… lumine that landed in khaneriah is mentally not the same as future lumime… I actually feel like at the start of the game the Sustainer knew who we where AND “trapped us here” because it’s part of the plan of lumine the 1st and celestia.. 🤔 3rds dust has “identical” properties to aether..?! TWIN DUST? 😂 maybe just how nahida used her divine knowledge capsule to save out memories each cycle… celestia I think is “nahida” and lumine is “aether” in this grand samsara of teyvat.. aka I think lumine HAD to write hersekf into the irmsul for this process to work? 🤔 not saying this it true but it’s way better then Lumine being an android cause the real one is dead.. i see nothing at all in the lore that remotely suggests this.. 🤔
Most likely not, cos Gnosises were created long before Siblings were Summoned, and Gnosises are created from Remains of 3rd Descender (interesting moment, that in Chinese they use not actually - Remains, but symbols that mean - Heritage more, and sometimes also used with a meaning of - Remains found by Paleontological diggings, like we are finding Dinosaurs Remains, those are still remains, but not like - you actually killed and used those remains, but remains that belong to a creature lived millions of years ago...) and when Kaenri'ah were funded and when Siblings were summoned Archons with Gnosises already existed in Teyvat, so it's very unlikely that any of Siblings can be a 3rd Descender.
What if the twins were summoned from a rift between worlds or parallel worlds, like the Rift hounds? It would make sense for there to be a summoning circle involved, as a large amount of concentrated energy and magical power would be needed to achieve a successful summoning. They’re twins because they are meant to be yin and yang energy; the light and the dark; the male and the female. The two forces required for balance. One twin was drawn to dark (abyss) while the other twin was drawn toward light (Teyvat?). I think there are two elements still left that Genshin hasn’t revealed and those are the light and dark elements. Whichever twin you choose has the golden/white energy when they do attacks and the other twin uses dark blue/purple energy with their attacks. What if the twins are meant to bring balance to Teyvat and thus save it?
Maybe when the siblings were summoned in khaenria to help them build there defenses probably do to the threat of gods and finally being seen by the gods and then destroyed them all
Finally someone is asking that question!!
y'know if the abyss sibling's experience was "show up, help people that gladly accept it, then get punished out of thin air for it", especially since they might still not fully realize what they were giving [the side theory of forbidden knowledge being forbidden due to it actually being harmful to irminsul, other side thought of them not realizing how dangerous the abyssal force can be, potential etc] and you get someone who was doing *good things* and punished for it by proxy of punishing the people they were helping. no wonder they hate the gods
10:11 This remind me to Chasm Seal, where we helped Zhiqiong on Seven Star Seal -kinda Quest to open it. And on the quest Muning says: "For example, the great mine in the center of The Chasm has had a Seven-Star Array cast over it... By which I mean exactly what I say - it is a seal placed over the area by the Qixing".
Idk thats the same seal or not. But ig only Beastly Rift has some letters on the seals. Chasm area also known as the location where Solar Chariot (moon sisters silver carriage) fall and Celestia Nail located.. Hm insteresting..
It also says 'Seven Star Array' for the Chasm seal. Could it be those indicates seven archons? Or maybe Zhongli who made that seal ? Then what the coincidence with this Beastly Rift which belong to Abbys?
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These genshin theories are good I sometimes forget they're theories genshin haves alot of lore to make theory
Good video 👍
sator arepo tenet are three of five words thac compose the "sator square", that was a latin woldplay found on many old roman buildings, the meaning is unknown exactly, but many think it was just a woldplay, since the full square is composed by "sator, arepo, arepo tenet, opera, rotas", wich can be read the same way backwards, and also, if composed in a square putting each of the five letter words in a line and lining them up, you can read the exact same sentence if you read the columns of the square, both forwards and backwards.
Sorry fo any spelling errors, english is not my first language.
Idk if you got that or not but Tenet,Opera and Sator are 3 of the 5 words that can be read in a "roman magic square" or "Sator square", it's a 5 by 5 grid made up of 5 different words that make an entirely different sentence depending on the order in which you read them, there's several such square around the former roman empire and their meaning is obscure
How Rene describes what he wants out of becoming a descender sound like each descender
Protection of the world would be the player character.
sustain the world would be the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles
create the world would be Phanes who came first.
and destroy the world, the third descender. who tried to take down Celestia
I got very interested into genshin lore after nahidas and focalors stories and god damn I've missed out so much.. and this is an awesome way to catch up on it all. Thanks for the video, also fk the heavenly principles. Can't wait till the day we get to obliterate it. (or whatever is left of it by then)
i forgot that Pierrot lived with the Abyss Twin for a while and like.. i need to know more about this.
If we look at what the heavenly principles said in the opening cutscene- she says " outlander your journey ends here. " And if we take lumine as the abyss sibling then she doesnt seem to recognise her (this is weird because if we remember the we will be reunited aq we remember that the sibling woke up first and told the traveler that khaenriah has been destroyed and that they must leave now) so was lumine not there or was the heavenly principles not directly involve in this. And then the heavenly principles wants on to say " the arrogation of mankind ends now " so it is referring to khaenri'ah summoning the siblings. But in any case if lumine didnt recognise who the heavenly principles is then how can she topple the divine thrones?? (And forget the choice and stuff its clear that both siblings don't know the heavenly principles and one of them was supposed to be in khaenri'ah before the opening cutscene or am i missing some lore bit here??)
This sounds really cool and I would love to download the game, but my phone has no storage 😢 👍
Do you have a pc or tablet? The game is playable on mobile, pc & playstation. I play on my desktop pc.
I'd reccomend something more fun to play on such as a PC or console, even if your phone could run it it wouldn't be fun.
From the start I felt that this game had many similarities to breath of fire 4, the mc is alien/dragon/god summoned as a war weapon, the first mc twin lived long enough in this world & become villain, then the 2nd mc come much latter & need to learn the truth of this world.
what i love about breath of fire 4 is we play as both villain & protagonist
This plot is a lot like the one with Morpheus in Sandman, so funny.
I am sceptical about the 2nd Descender being hostile. I think that the war in the heavens and war of Vengeance are the same, and the heavenly principals fought against Nibelung, who brought the power of the Abyss from beyond the world, to defeat Phanes.
1st and 2nd worked together, and traveller is the 4th, so the big question is who was the 3rd, why were they sacrificed to create the gnoses, and were they somehow involved in 'destroying' the world?
Do any of the words match constellations for characters?
We still have no clue about what Scaramouche meant with "The stars are a lie" in 1.1 ...
You'll find enough explanations. Search it up
Its about the fact the sky is false.
When we look at the starry sky in Teyvat, we do not see far-away suns and galaxies. Instead, we see Teyvat's dome ceiling. Kind of like in some ancient theories about the universe.
What's the point? this is unclear. Personally, I like the idea that Teyvat is actually a generation ship going through space. So it can't sustain an atmosphere without a lid to keep it in.
I know what you all are talking about, but it's all just speculation and we still have to confirm everything
@@BliskDeather no it's actually a fact that the sky is fact
I never clicked on a video faster in my life 😂
genshin lore and theories are so rich and interesting but it’s sad bc u don’t get that in game
I wonder- maybe Khaenri’ah summoned the Abyss Twin, but by being twins and traveling together, MC was an accident- they were never supposed to be summoned… because they were not summoned, the MC became the Exception to the Principals and Fate. By summoning, Khaenri’ah’s actions were recorded in Irminsul and therefore tied the Abyss Twin to their Fate.
Just one of those “thoughts”.
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LOL YASSSSSSS. Taylor can wait mhie 😂😂😂
@@princeronielmontecastro7485 yas 😭😭
wouldn't that be a super irresponsible move by Khaenri'ahns though?
You call upon an out of this world force to fight the gods of your world that you dislike.
Why would the outworldly being care?
What if that being is even worse than your god?
Will that being even listen to your pleas?
What the Khaenriahns i think would hope in this scenario is that an outworldly being is kind and will take pity on them an help them out of good heart, but what if instead they helped out of ulterior movites just to expoit them later?
When you cry out in the dark woods you never know who is going to hear you afterall
What if the summoning was only meant to summon one person but aether somehow tagged along since he was never supposed to summon in the first place he was not bound to the world this could also explain what took him so long to wake up some of his essence/power/energy was lost along the way forcing him to go into some sort of regenerative coma to recover
3:20 _- 3:25 Lore I needed to know
Easy, They beat 50/50 and had double rate up 5*
they were summoned?????
WHOA
2:57 I thought Mona was Talking
"the arrogance of humankind ends now" hits a lot harder with this theory
WOAHHHH YOU COOKED THE NEW FONTAINE BOOK PERINHERI REVEALED THIS TO BE TRUE
Pretty sure corax in latin is crow, courage in this specific context would be virtus/virtis. While yes the root of courage in English (or french), comes from old french corage, a derivative of coraticum, from the root cor (heart, or.. coeur in french), corax is still the crow genus.
As for the last one, it should be lympha, which would be clear/transparent and by extension an ancient Roman water deity (which is what fontaine is about)
I’ve always believed that lumine was a moon sister (crescent) and aether is the REAL sun (a star) … leading to current time in teyvat (only a full moon shows with no phases and a fake sky or fake sun in the sky
By taking your video and the bits of lore that we currently have about Khaenriah into account, I cant help but to think that the Hoyoverse must've been inspired by the Downfall of Numenor from Tolkien's works I mean if you are a Lord of the Rings fan here are some similarities.
1. Both the High Kingdom of Numenor and the Kingdom of Khaenriah were seen as the most advanced human civilization in their own respective worlds except that Numenor's power comes from the Gods of Middle Earth, the Valar, hence their enhanced knowledge and physical strength and longer lifespans that can reach up to 350 years while the Khaenriah was literally built from scratch without the aid of the Gods of Teyvat with their hyper advanced machines that can rival that with the power of the Gods.
2. Despite everything that they had, both Numenor and Khaenriah soon fell into corruption and sin with the Numenoreans envying the immortality of the Elves despite their 350 year lifespan not to mention the fact that they were not allowed to enter the Undying Lands of Valinor, which is basically the home of the Gods, while the Khaenriahns began to obsess becoming more powerful to overthrow Celestia one day which in turn led both Kingdoms to seek a powerful being who could guide them in their quest for power, Lumine and Sauron. Except that Lumine used her knowledege and power to help the Khaenriahns while Sauron intensified the corruption of the Men of Numenor by convincing them to worship the Dark God Morgoth and perform Human Sacrifices which further diminished their longer lifespan and made them more vulnerable to diseases.
3. In the end when both Kingdoms tried to invade the home of their respective gods, they were all destroyed immediately by the higher powers with the One God of Arda, Eru Illuvatar sinking the Isle of Numenor and its people into the bottom of the ocean while Celestia sent the Heavenly Principles and the Archons to destroy Khaenriah and again except that the Numenoreans who survived the fall, the Faithful, would rebuild their civilizations and become the Dunedain of Gondor and Arnor including the evil Black Numenoreans of Harad while the Khaenriahns would suffer a fate much more worse than death by becoming the mindless barabaric race of Hillichurls as a curse from the Gods and would never again rise up as the civilization that it was once.
What do you think?
I still very strongly think the abyss sibling was summoned into teyvat, while the traveler arrived to the world on their own. The abyss sibling didn't descend upon teyvat, they were rather summoned into it, so they do not classify as a descender. The fact that they made their first appearance in khaenriah supports this too. So the process of summoning, I think, somehow binds them to the laws of teyvat. It's sort of similar to how rhinedottir's summons "do not belong to this world" yet they are not descenders. I think the art of khemia might be summoning things from outside teyvat into teyvat. The riftwolves are very invasive species (the golden wolflord is described as a twisted beast from another world), and the all devouring narwhal literally makes an appearance in a cutscene in honkai star rail lol.
As for the beastly rifts, funnily enough that's not the first time we're hearing of the word combination "beastly rift", as the event introducing the golden wolflord was also named that. The tutorial for the beastly rifts in fontaine state that it will summon monsters from another world (those being riftwolves) which will then try to destroy the crystals that are restraining the formation. So those crystals are there to suppress the formations. So because of that, I think the beastly rifts are just the riftwolves' methods of invasion, and there was a beastly rift all the way in tsurumi island which summoned the golden wolflord. I don't think it has anything to do with the travelers, or khaenri'ahs methods of summoning.
One thing worth mentioning though is that the beastly rifts on Elynas aren't the only ones out there. There's two more, with one of them being towards the east of the experimental field generator on the mountain, and the other being in a locked room located in the underwater ruins near narzissenkreuz ordo. This one is special, because this room also features the purple goo from the chasm, and the red crystals from dragonspine. Both of these rifts have a camera near them, so this leads me to believe these are Mary-ann's experiments.
"Purple goo" seems to not be from the Chasm. I think it's actually what remains of one of their colleagues. As described in the nearby notes.
The all devouring narwhal appeared in star rail?! Was this during penacony? I've only gotten to black swans appearance in the storyline
@@mimo__.- It's from the cutscene you see after you board the express. There's a whale in the cutscene that just happens to look similar to the all devouring narwhal we have in genshin lol. They're probably not literally the same, but at least the same kind?
I wanna know how much time has past after traveller woke up ? (From start of journy till now how many days months have past )
Years seeing as the Lantern Rites’ happen yearly and the game operates on our calendar.
summoned????? When??? How??? Why am I now just seeing and learning this??
Anyone else notice that Paimon and Dainsleif have the same starry cloak
you know how they said that the sky collapsed maybe the summoning the travelers caused the barrier of the firmament to weaken and creatures from other worlds after khanriens tried to seek otherworldly power
Well we know that it was our sibling that was summoned not us traveler us seperating the moment we set foot on teyvat we slept through everything while our sibling was thrown in war believed to be the wielder of abyss/abyss itself thus making me wonder if the summon itself was reason why their fate was sealed since they accepted the power of the world
We the traveler has yet to accept any power we just "borrowing" them that's why we don't have any restrictions on us and still use the powers to purify Abyss
Currently only traveler is known to resist erosion which may be what khaenri'ah was searching for not the power of our sibling who could hold the corruption cuz both siblings are opposite to eachother
Next thing is Nahida says in her chara voice lines that mankind has set their eyes on stars and the abyss which makes me think khaenri'ah did the taboo by creating a creature imitating who wields the abyss and may have be the reason why abyss has so many dead dragons floating around
Another thing is that archons have a different name as well read neuvilette line about geo archon judgement he calls him dues ari or something makes me wonder if archons were supposed to replace seelies the guide to humanity cuz we know for sure that phanes the father of creation is not in teyvat
"Creator has yet to arrive sustainer is dying"
Also neuvi calls nibelung the formidable father who ruled the world back then means nibelung is the originator of dragons and vishaps while phanes introduced humans to teyvat not made them
Another thing is you made it sound like phanes for sure is 1st descender while it isn't true cuz neuvilette only says 1st and 2nd used 3rd to make gnosis doesn't mean they have killed them it can either be they died themselves in the war against invaders or 3rd sacrificed themselves for greater good of humanity
But yeah phanes is not here anymore who should be responsible for saving the world and sustainer
Cuz in french translation it says save the sustainer and world from burning
I thought that aether and lumine traveled through teyvat and then went to Khanenri'ah. Did that actually happen or?
I think this is the first theory I listened to which do not immediately paints Celestia in a bad light and Khaenri'ahns as innocent angels (they had weapons to kill gods, people /died/ because of them in Enkamoniya) because Dainsleif - aka a guy with memory problems - told us that "archons are mean :< ".
I like your theory about Lumine teachning Khaenri'ahns about her powers and how a distaster resulted from it. My personal theory is that archons didn't want to destroy Khaenri'ahns when they were summoned there; Makoto was a politician while Ei was a warrior and it's Makoto who was sent there. There's only a question of who shot first.
i agree with the first part, nobody is truly right in the story but iirc makoto left ei because she knew ei wouldn't let her go, plus ei had to protect inazuma from the rifthounds?
What if only the abyss twin was summoned but the traveller tagged along
Imagine if the genshin anime were out and it was about other sibling that we didnt chose?
What if either and lumine are from this world but from a different time, and what kind of summoning is that? A spell to summon a stranger to be your new king or smth? Who does that, sounds sus, sounds more like the sustainers knew who we were and were surprised to see us, because maybe we should be already dead, separated us in time to prevent us from being summoned again, because time travel creates a loop without end if not broken. Plus wasn't it said that some monsters used to be the people once? So aren't they just time traveling the mobs in?
My semi-crackpot theory is that there is only one of the twins and that they are what Khaenri'ahn's (and the Fatui's, but that's neither here nor there) efforts are all about. The sibling is "merely" a Khaenri'ahn creation existing to manipulate the Traveler into becoming a weapon against Celestia either by altering his memory to merely believe they always had a twin or by killing and replacing the sibling. While the Traveler is immune to Irminsul's effects on the world, them going down for the count to Dottore's device means their brain can be manipulated. As has been established, the Irminsul has the sibling as an entity of Teyvat and it makes little sense to me that you can just randomly become tied to a world you are not a part of.
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8:34 - Is that your voice ?
lol, I love this, Khaenrians summoned the player character the same way we summon 5stars 😂, imagine if Khaenria lost their 50/50 and got Qiqi instead….fan fic when?
My hypothesis is lumine is and was the third defender her and dansleif went on their journey to each Nation Dansleif made a deal with the sustainer of heavenly principles gave Lumine to the first and second to desender because he was told that they would bring back kahnrea so he handed over lumine and betraying her like she said and then they stole lumines powers to make the seven gnosis sealing her fate to tevat and making her a part of to this world so until she retrieves her powers from the seven gnosis she is no longer a desender but she will Gain her powers becoming the third desender again remember Pietro new mean when she was summoned to kahnrea he knew she was a desender he's doing all this for her because of she gets her powers back and with the power of the abyss which we will obtain after we defeat dansleif we can get rid of the heavenly principles
What if, just what if… Lumine is the third descender. Hear me out. Lumine came earlier than Aether and landed in K’aanriah (sorry about the spelling) and during the cataclysm, she was captured by Primordial One and her essence created the visions/Gnosis, thus, her becoming part of the world of Teyvat. The Lumine we are seeing now, is not really the real Lumine but rather only a part of her essence implanted to an artificial body and we know that that possible from the experiment by the Narsisun…(that Fontain experiment; sorry can’t spell that out). And the Fatui, knowing that she is a descender, wants to revive her as a weapon to counter the Primordial One and change fate of the world and revive K’aanriah. What do you think?? 🤔 💭
I have a question, couldn't Aether be in a coma instead of just sleeping ? And everything the abyss sibling does is to bring him out of coma , but somehow she lost herself during the process or got tangled up with other situations.
The Traveler is what Khaenrians got when they lost their 50/50.
Khaenriahns are Lumine's Number One Fam
They come to take ur money
I’m one to firmly believe the twins are from Tevyat and it was altered by the heavenly principles when they were forced to leave. Lumine(abyss sibling) traveled through the world and she found out about their past and aether/traveller is still travelling through.
Idk abt that one, Im definitely believe more so that they already been through teyvat once together; then forced to go through their journey alone-
So they experienced everything as a unit, then the unknown god trapped them and Lumine in this case has done everything Aether is doing and the cycle continues.
They will either continue to repeat this or they will figure out a way to break the cycle
@@Ahiruuriha I like that theory too. The only reason I lean towards the one I commented is that
A: traveller is holding a lot of information from us players. And
B: Abyss sibling revival of the homeland. The use of “homeland” as if they themselves are from there. The abyss sibling is also confident that the traveller will reach the same conclusion at the end of their journey.
I’m definitely excited for the next patch and the Dain quest for Fontaine. I also think we will learn more about the sibling in Shneznaya(idk if I spelled it right lol) it’ll be really cool if the theory you said is correct bc it explains a lot :) thank you for sharing
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Serious question. If Da Wei appeared before u and offered 2 choices: get 100,000 primogems for free, or get to know the entire unrevealed Genshin lore. What would u choose!???
Primogems of course. I will get the lore reveal eventually anyway. Same if someone offered $100,000 or knowing your future.
Khaneriah-“wut up lumine.. glad u could make it” Aster- “they summonsed lumine AND AETHER “ khaneriah- “WHO..??? Who da fk is Aether?’”
"It is mentioned that Aether fall asleep in ages"
Is it possible that the 3rd descender is Aether and the current Aether is not the real Aether? (I'm not trying to make a theory, I'm just curious.)
If current Traveler is not real, how is he so powerful and a Descender?
The Sibling being somehow fake seems more likely.
No no, what I mean is the current traveler is the 4th descender but is it possible this is not the real Aether but someone else who has the same ability and has Aether's memory?
Also, I agree that Abyss sibling is very sus and fake. It feels like it was not her but someone else use her body (probably the guy that plan the loom of fate) or a clone or she is been manipulated, idk.
@@halfwiz99 So, the twins we see in the prologue are real, but the Traveler we play is, is 4th Descender impersonating Aether? And he's actually unrelated to the twins?
But why? So that they can get through to Lumine and convince her to not destroy Teyvat?
Well, it is a valid theory, but it feels like it would not make a good story.
@@kotarouinugami1745 Yeah idk, that's why I'm asking if my question makes sense with the lore or not. My "question" reminds me of MGS5 secret ending, Tales of the Abyss and "Kiana & Durandal".
The answer/theory for your question is, the dainsleif. He might be the future aether that travelling to the past .
I think I hear dogs barking😂
Aster please, when you know everything, make a video and explain this:Our main character said that he/she was wandering around 2 months before we fish out paimon.(and how can we fish paimon when paimon later on tought us how to fish)but before we started traveling with paimon we didn't know anyone?So I have theory that our mc memory is earsed or something like that
The Traveler was probably suffering from depression after losing the Sibling, and so did not want to go to civilization and meet people.
Also, we always knew how to fish. Paimon did not really need to teach us.
Paimon did need to teach us the language of Teyvat.
They got summoned? What the heck?
My theory is that lumine is the third descender. The lumine we interacted at the start is just a clone or copy of some sort.
Unlikely since the third descender died even before the Archon War and for now it was said that the Traveler and their twin do not belong to the world and appeared 500 years ago ( The Abyss Twin is special though but it seems that they are the same as how the Traveler knows them before )
You know what I am thinking, lumine WAS the 4th descendent but got demoted
Hear me out
In Rene notes, he said he can't get a vision becs he would get binded to fate/destiny
And that would stop him from becoming an descended
Lumine got to teyvat and before the very end of her journey, got bindded to destiny
And she specifically says:"until my war with destiny is over"
Lumine got binded so she lost the title of an descendent
Maybe this is why they separated us to begin with....the heavenly principal wanted something from us....tried their luck with lumine but she couldn't live up to their expectations....so then they waked Aether up
@@nicolas._.2294 Hey this a good supposition and I believe that the Abyss twin is indeed the same one as before the Twins appeared in Teyvat and not a clone or whatever theory some have. I believe that something did happen that made them bound to Teyvat but not completely : as we can see Nahida has only a few memories in the Irminsul about them but not like the end and not all like a normal citizen of Teyvat and Scara said that he found nothing on the Traveler and their twin...and in 3.5 we go through their memories because of an issues in a Ley Line and it was after the Cataclysm and not before.
Make a new vid about the hsr
Nabu mallitaka was right also i hate the ppl that brought about this problem yes i kind of hate lumine but she did that unintentinal but the others didnt give a dam if it ment getting what they wanted just to live and do whatever they wanted thats the laws in wich they broke kheanrialh just didnt give a rats tail about what was going on gold didnt either and centerinaly not deshret that idiot guizhong like lumine didnt expect this but were blinded enough to set themselfs as tartgets by the heavenly sustainer wich is why they all ended up dead wich would make sensnthat the dead lumine theroy is true she died at some point and due to to her retabution against celestia shes now actively going to get herself killed on top of that i think she is the one that influenced the tsurista after some point that being the jester making sure she dosent fall far from the path and why these blasted hilichurls are using weapons in the first place if anything they should of still been dead its been over 5000 plus years since the destruction of their land wich is why they are cursed now along side the abyss also why would they even attempt to go against a god or the fact that life they gave you now till this day is something thwy loath? I find some of these ppl to be pretty stupid atleast rukkadevata is kind even tward the heavens
Ehhehehehehehehehwheheheh sorry, I see lore and get happy.
You sound like lumine
How did kheanri'ah summon? They whaled 🤣
Exactly! Scaramouche tells Lumine her brother lived with the Jester when he was a royal Madge in the court of King Irmin. (Years prior to the cataclysm and the fall of Khaenri’ah)! Perhaps he and Gold (who is also Khaenri’ahn) (or is it Rhinedaughter?) summoned Lumine and her brother. Then there is Clothar, Caribear’s father who tells Lumine how deeply disappointed the Khaenri’ahns were about her difficulty becoming the Abyss princess. Lumine has no memory of any of this. Something happened that triggered her and wiped her memory. Dainsleif was the head of the guards in Khaenri’ah at the same time the Jester would have been a royal Madge. Maybe they even knew one another. After the fall of Khaenri’ah, Dainsleif became the Boughkeeper with access to Irmisul. Wouldn’t it be possible he tried to control Lumine and make her the princess through Irmisul, but it didn’t work because she is an outlander from Teyvat? Then he doesn’t remember a lot of what happened 600 years ago, (both of the travelers we’re summoned to Teyvat at least 100 years or more prior to the cataclysm)because he is suffering from erosion? I also believe there is a specific reason why the Jester told Scaramouche this information. I’m not sure why, but Scaramouche also tells Lumine he doesn’t know when she arrived or when she left Khaenri’ah. It will be interesting as we get into Natlan the where, who why and what!
What if the descender that was killed by the first and second is actually the traveler? And when they did die, irminsul absorbed them and then somehow they were resurrected. And that's why they're a part of this world now. And thats why they regain their powers from the statue of the seven gradually. Power that was taken from their corpses/whatever and turned into gnoses. What if the abyss twin wanted revenge for their sibling all along?
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These words mean you are a total nerd, how in the world you were able to read them? Lol
I've got an idea :D WE are travelers .. that's basic thing :D we are just witnesses in this world... when game ends final note will be something like that'' Thanks for being with us, you are not as powerful beings as you think'' .. it's so funny.. my advice will be just enjoy with this game and stop fabricating these theories :D
The theories are based off existing lore and many of the teries have been on the right track of the truth. Thinking is better than not thinking over all, you can still enjoy it, on top of that the lore is clearly there to bait ideas and theories for those who enjoy iy.
As gamers, we certainly have seen many worlds. And we do have power to create our own, or delete them from the hard drive.
But it would be silly if "truth of this world" turns out to be "we're just a video game".
@@kotarouinugami1745 It will not be first time when Hoyoverse laughed at us... Remember 3 WISHES..
@@Infelious "Many" means, like, the 1%? Because basically all of these theories just miss the mark
Yes, stop thinking. Creativity is dumb, just passively accept what you're told and turn your brain off. This is best.
I don't believe the twins were summoned.
My theory is they came to look for something however the sibling that awoke first was found and made different by the pearl through energy absorption from battle pass story causing them to be tied to irminsoul, they then go on a journey and the Heavenly Principles hunted them down all over Teyvat because of this, slowly finding that the twin had made allies of most of Teyvat. They then went scorched earth on Khaenri'ah because they were the start of this revolution but they couldn't be destroyed as the pearl tied them to an otherworldly power, the abyss.
This caused all those who died or lost their ego to be turned by the curse. And those with a strong enough will or ego stayed human but were cursed differently.
Dainslief then turns on the sibling seeing them as the cause in the heat of the moment or believing them to be possessed by the pearls spirit, the sibling then grabs the sleeping twin and tries to run, then the unknown God (likely the current moon sister corpse) came out as a protector attacks us to stop the pearl currently within the twin from being taken, likely due to it helping to hold the world together. Reason she stops them first, then in response to our cry they trap us as well.
During this time our twin escapes and rejoins with the cursed in the now abyss and begins making plans.
We, the player twin, are then released nearby due to our pure soul to help out the dying or reincarnated moon sibling Paimon, and she is tasked with showing us the world to save it from our sibling and their now hardened desire for revenge.
Not sure if this will be true, but so far it's the conclusion I have come to but I think I have a decent chance to be wrong.
Also believe we have heard the pearl's voice in the quest with the guy trying to save his son in Sumeru that Dain knew.
Appreciate the video and theory, have to ponder on it to see if my opinion changes. Thanks for the thoughts! Keep up the good work.