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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.พ. 2024
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This video is about two maps in counter-strike that share a remarkably large amount of their respective histories. DE_Season and DE_Tuscan. The main thing that they share is their current status in the game: abandoned. I think that both of these maps are very good and deserve revisiting. In case you are wondering, yes, this video's title is a reference to my previous video "The Unfixable Maps of CSGO" ! That video stands as one of my favorite videos that I've ever made.
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All my homies loved Season. What a great map, the remake looks so modern as well. Finally someone is talking about it.
LITERALLYY, it’s so fun to play I don’t understand how no one’s talked about it up until now
+1 i would give my left testicle for season
no its terrible tuscan is way better
@@asdqwe_9381 Tuscan is cool too. I'm just hoping that Anubis proved to Valve that community maps deserve to be in the game more often. Idk what Valve was cooking with Vertigo but I'd rather play anything else.
vertigo is good bro wym i got 80 percent win@@jR0xas
It's crazy how much of a disaster that 2017 update was that removed most of the maps from the game. Pretty much killed off the casual nature of counter-strike matchmaking, removing most of the fun casual maps like insertion, militia, zoo, seaside, shipped, and cruise. Hoping that cs2 adds more casual maps to the map pool.
True but it seems that now Valve got the message. They remade Italy and brought back Arms Race. There are even mentions of VIP and escape on the code.
Valve is basically disabled when it comes to how they give us map / map pool / etc
@@rodryguezzz yeah they remade italy and didnt brought it back into competitive even tho we`ve got premier as a main gamemode and ranks per map in competitive, that doesnt look good
yeah but the different ranking for each map in competitive will drive people away, if they wanna split premiere and competitive up by both ranking and maps, they have to figure something else out for the regular comp mode
people like me loved playing mm in csgo and play in global on both the traditional pro maps and the operation maps at the same time
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Our heritage
Season had lots of problems, but the biggest complicating factor IMO is Molotovs.
A lot of maps in CSS (season, contra, russka -- all 3 of my favourite maps lol) had tons of tight choke points and fairly long rotations. when you have a game with just smokes (and extremely overpowered flashes) you can deal with that. your opponents probably will run out of utility before around the time you might go for a retake, and worst case you can flash through the smoke if you need to.
Once you add Molotovs, a ton of interactions that would be "fine," are now extremely problematic. On a site take your opponents might be able to replace what used to be a 100% necessary smoke with a Molotov instead, then delay until your rotates get there and use that saved smoke to block the choke points that are honestly too important to retake without utilizing.
Jail on season is probably the best example of this. you could Molotov off the entire mid-b rotate (often 2, even 3 players) for the execute, then smoke them off for the retake. Not only was jail insanely important for a quick rotate, but basically 100% necessary for any retake at all, given the other options would be heaven (insane number of angles you have to clear to get out of) and ... the longest flank in the entire game.
Tuscan I think had a lot more potential, but is a map that requires CT aggression to function properly which takes a lot of time and effort to get used to, and players really weren't ready for it, imo. There were similar interactions with Molotov and tight choke points in positions like Mid which required the map to be re-thought a little bit, but with a few adjustments it probably could've turned into a functional map. I don't think the same is true with season -- they would likely have to heavily adjust the layout before moving on to the other small but serious problems it had
I was gonna say who asked but then I saw the name
We all know that even a small change can change balance drastically - I believe there is a way to modify Season to fit new gameplay
Question. Why haven't you verified your channel? Takes like 2 minutes to submit the request and about 2 hours to get accepted
Probably something to think about maybe a different nade limit per map (ie. Lots of nades for maps as de_inferno and less on different maps).could also affect metas in a strong way
weird, it was verified before lol i think maybe cuz i changed the name to be voocsgo 1 word instead of 2@@CourthouseTM
A lot of good memories on Assault, Italy and Militia.
Oh my god yes! Man, I miss playing those maps on comp so much. I've always been drawn to weird, unpopular features and maps in games. Like hiding in the ceiling on Militia 😄
@@bobmar2106 Yeah, definitely not balanced maps but really fun to play casually in competitive every once in a while :D
Thank goodness those maps are available for CS Source (even the CSGO versions that were ported).
@@qBeYcarpetFor sure! Those were the maps me and the boys played a bit later in the evening when we were done sweating on mirage and inferno haha
@@XanderNilesI should play more css!
Dataminers found information related to Tuscan in the cs2 game files. So yes, it will eventually be released for cs2 and I am happy for it.
Please no
the map was originally made in s2 and was ported to s1
tuscan is one of the worst designed maps for modern cs
@@emiliachan
Can you make maps in source 2 and port it to source 1 ? A map maker I had a conversation with told me it's really impossible
@@ChrisBrown-ir6sf its valve bro they could have any developement tools you could think of regarding source engine
Season was so underrated back then, i wish it was still available today. I loved it, and i missed it after the Bloodhound operation. Hopefully it’ll be available again
Season will be remembered by IBP scandal...
The original port? Yes.
The remake? No.
The ithrowpower moment ofc! Yeah, unforgettable.
@@XanderNileshow much?
Nobody remembers climb, the hostage map. That map was so much fun
Climb was and is awesome, the map creator is cool too
I hope Valve takes advantage of having Competitive and Prime matchmaking. They could, and should add so many community maps to the normal comp maps, I don't see any reason not to. I really hope they add not only their own maps, but also a community map with each operation... and KEEP THEM IN THE COMP MAP POOL!!!
Prime should probably stay limited to a smaller amount of maps, simply because it's already hard enough for most players to memorize the nades and angles of like 3 maps, let alone more than 7 lol.
Excellent video as always Mr. CS2.
well, they added a rank for each comp map, which imo, is beyond stupid. this now means that there's way too much inertia behind each map. competitive, versus premiere, should be a 5v5 queue with MMR and more maps, especially hostage maps like workout. but they probably won't.
@@DaarthPingas I would agree with you, but nobody really cares about Comp rank when we have Prime now. If you care about rank, you're not playing Comp.
It was a stupid move to make each map have their own rank, but I don't think it's that big of a deal, or even makes people try any harder.
They really should revert it back to the original system for normal comp, but either way it doesn't really change much.
operations on community maps was crazy
ive been talking about season FOREVER, i miss it so much! not even any youtubers ever really mentioned it again once it was gone. its like a media blackout for the map lol.
My favourite map is Breach, they used it in that Scrimmage mode, but they will proabably never add it back
I love learning about old CS maps. Keep up the great work!
I think they should shuffle the maps twice a years after a major. We hame the current map pool plus 4-5-6 other maps missing. It would be refreshing and nice to have the 2 least played maps dropped after a major
A nice video talking about Season. Love it!
Seeing this video after some months of not playing cs (mainly due to the deletion of unranked and my friends getting better at the game) was so nostalgic. I remember maining tuscan with my friends when they still were silver 1s. I also remembered a lot of the maps of late cs:go, and I love even the worst ones. I also remember getting introduced to the game by my friend, seeing hive (at least that was the name on signs everywhere), and some lake ripoff with a lot of breakable glass, where my friend showed me the zeus.
Minor feedback, at 4:41 it would have been nice if the map pictures were from the version of the map that was present at the time (for example you use the modern versions of d2, inferno, and nuke)
I loved de_season so much.. good memories!
thanks for your videos
Finally de_season mentioned on this channel, i hope a lot this legendary map gonna back
Finally, been waiting for some banger content from you Mr Penguin
Dude ghe thumbnail is unreal, great vid❤
You've quickly become one of my favorite CS youtubers. Great content as always keep it up!
season was one of my favorite maps of all time
That Sonic Spinball tune really hits hard! especially with the "Unregistered HyperCam 2"
Tuscan always was one of my fav maps in 1.6 and also was very good in CSGO. I really hope we get it in CS2 and also in pro play.
LOVE YOUR VIDEOS! talk about wingman maps like rialto and also maps like engage
Another Penguin banger! Keep it up man
love your videos man!! keep it up :)
Season was my inspiration to play awp ages ago. So many cheeky plays on that map
I've been playing CS since about 2017 on and off. I've really got into the game with CS2. These videos are super interesting because I get to see a side of the game I'd otherwise have no idea of.
Got a few good sessions on Season in community servers on CS2. Map is so fun and looks great!
9 map pool, 2 maps switches per year (every six months) and letting people know beforehand what maps will change next time. I just think this would be the best outcome as you’d have more maps to choose from and you’ll be able to know and prepare for the next ones
Season was my favorite map, all the way from when me and some friends were doing scrims in CSS. It really deserves some time in the spotlight again. I played the living daylights out of it when the operations were on. - It was introduced back with Operation Vanguard, and re-introduced with Operation Bloodhound.
Tuscan as well. I had so many good memories from playing on it.
No idea why Valve chose Anubis to be the default addition to CS2, and leave Tuscan behind, despite revamping it to that extent. Don't get me wrong, Anubis is a fine map (not the greatest IMO). It gets the job done, of being a good Dust replacement, but for me, Tuscan was the better one of the two.
Some other maps that deserves honorable mentions are: Santorini, Seaside, Zoo and Agency (arguably the best hostage map in the history of CS)
Season remake was soooo beuatiful and i really wanted to play it a lot more
great cs content + good choice in tekken soundtrack = i subscribe
I do think it would be sick if we gave the map pool 2 more maps and then just increased the bans making the variety of 'favorited' maps more interesting and the 3rd map even more of a wildcard. Also adding more bans still allows teams to have 2 permabans.
seeing season gave me some flashbacks, but seeing the hypercam watermark GOD DAMN
what they could do is the following, 7 map pool but every week they rotate the premier maps, by removing 2 and adding 2 in a queue way like there are like like lots of competitive maps and every week the 2 oldest are removed and 2 new enter, so every map has a 4 weeks in the map pool and 4 weeks off .also they could remove 1 map per year to rework and introduce a new one that year like they are doing. all maps would be available in competitive all the time, just in the premier mode the rotation would take place. this way they could experiment with maps and see what maps are played more . this would also give tournment events to customize their cup with the 7 maps they choose , or they could ask for team to vote the 7 maps they want in the tournment. I also think pro teams could also choose a map that fits their gamestyle. something like football stadiums each team has their own. i dunno.
I remember grinding season in CSGO with my friends when the operation came out. Awesome map that was sadly removed :( hope it comes back to cs2
Season was and continues to be my favorite map
played the old version of season on legacy strike, had no idea there was a remake
One map exchanged after every major would be nice. I kinda like the idea of a 9 map pool but even tier 1 teams struggle to excel nowadays so that might just result in a lower level of play..
"The community pretty much agreed that Tuscan will be the next pro map" ????
Nobody has ever said such a thing
A first in first out map cycle would be amazing, every map would get like 3.5 years in the pool before it gets rotated out, that's plenty of time for a map to get figured out and played at a high level. I think they should also maybe try to stagger between adding in completely new maps and maps that have already been in the pool -- if we didn't do this, every 3.5 years we'd have 7 maps that have already moved in and out of the pool, and it really seems like a waste to let them rot like that.
Season is great and I really hope to see it back but I think Tuscan is better suited as a map like Italy more centered around casual or for fun comp, but not premiere or pro play
season was the greatest map, my friends and I played this map all the time absolute goated.
There is definitely hope for Tuscan as it was found in recent leaks
my biggest issue with cs and also the vast majority of its playerbase is that they would be quite happy playing about 3 maps every day every week every year. and so everything else gets neglected. Unless its skins
i miss tuscan und season so much
I love season. I absolutely loved its aesthetic cause it’s kinda similar to vertigo but unlike vertigo, it plays better and doesn’t have headshot angles everywhere.
i miss seaside. that map was so fun, it reminded me of old css style gameplay
In my opinion cache will be the next added to the competitive pool. What do you think guys?
I loved Tuscan and I really think the only reason it didn’t stay or even get that popular was because it wasn’t in active duty. I also really liked Austria.
What a banger video love the vibe W
Chang the pool much more frequently, you could happily swap out three or four of the current maps tonight.
now with the finals in blast being bo5 maybe thats a hint they are considering 9 mall pool in the future
I really thought that Season and Santorini would stay in the Game. Was really sad when both got taken down. Also Breach was pretty cool
Season was actually in Operation Vanguard in late 2014 before it was also included in Bloodhound in early 2015.
hOPE to see Tuscan. When it was released my friends played a lot only that map bc of those ol days of pcw.
Another penguin banger, Let's gooo!
Gabe Follower also found mentions in the game files of Tuscan being remade again for source 2, so Valve are definitely not abandoning it
They paid half million for Tuscan..no way they are gonna abandon it
9:05 Damn that caught me off guard👴
We need a bigger casual map pool. not everyone is a pro. we just want to have fun.
This obsession with competitive is slowly killing the games base; Casual players.
When watching this map not for ancient highlights for the first time, I realise that i see some similarities to Valorant's Ascend, some areas have attack/defend or general orientation rotated differently
Everytime I see discussion about great community maps I have to throw de_engage out there. Just a beautiful, fun banger of a map.
I think the pro gaming scene should not be considered too much. In the end, its a game people want to enjoy. They should just add rotating community maps as well for people to try out.
Crazy how I never played any of theses map even tho I started playing in 2016
They should have another set if maps not for the pro scene but a rotation system every season to showcase what the gems on the workshop.
I feel like it would be a missed opportunity to not change the map pool entirely every season. You can have 2-3 map pools or varieties between those that rotate every season. Although we don't know how premier seasons will work out seeing as we are still in the first one.
Imho we didnt get tuscan in the pro pool because anubis largly overshadowed it. It may gets the chance somewhen, but it needs good amount of changes to be a good map
A map pool increase would probably lower the quality of games overall and lead to more underdogs surprise wins, because Team XYZ trained de_tuscan since 5 years and beats FAZE to it in an RMR or something like that. To me, this last point would be somewhat okay, as over the longer run, better teams will always get to the top. The bigger problem I see in the overall quality sinking, as even top calibre teams will have to gamble somewhat and not be as refined on some maps as on others. And "just train all of them" is not an option, was we already see with the current map pool.
Shifting the maps more often is the more elegant solution to the issue, in my opinion. Whether one after each Major is enough... can be debated. Maybe that and then one additional during winter break. Or two after each major.
In summary, I think more change in the map pool is something that is strongly requested and should come rather sooner than later.
But I don't give a shit if they release an Operation!!!!!
Idk the hype for Season the rotations are awful its a 100% camp map B bombsite feels like hell but Tuscan on the other hand is a pure joy to play it feels like D2/Cache its such a shame the clowns from Valve never bothered adding it to the Pro map pool
1:07 that is so true that it hurts
Season was my absolute favourite map
I think it's important to note that in cs2 cache has been completely rotated out instead of remade & been replaced with maps like anubis and ancient which are fully valve owned.
There's a chance cache could come back, but it's intentional that they didn't add it at launch
Because the creator of the map is still remaking it
I fucking loved that season revamp..
I wish you would've made some concise kliksphilip style direct comparisons of de_season and it's versions so people who don't remember can get a better reminder instead of being told some technical lingo of some esoteric details only people who remember well or people who are already extremely invested in CS level design would recognize and reminisce on.
Apart from that, good video.
I honestly miss insertion and insertion II so much. They were the most balanced and interesting hostage maps.
I played a lot of Season(the CSGO remake) with some of my friends. I think I either played in during an operation, or on the Mapcore faceit hub. Either way, I really didn't like it. All of the angles felt very unintuitive to me, and like you mentioned with B, nobody would ever end up there. It didn't help much that it had poor performance on my Laptop back in the day. I didn't ever play Tuscan enough to give my opinion on the GO Version, but I watched enough LOLYOU videos to get a handle of the source version and I would like to see it added back into the game.
9 maps is MUCH better than 1 swap every major considering the implementation of premier and how queue times are basically irrelevant for individual maps and valve will NOT be able to change maps enough to warrant taking them out every 6~8 months, also especially in pro play i think it'd be a good experiment to just leave maps uncontested in pick/ban phases and see what comes up with it
it's always bugged me how few community servers there are hosting more niche maps for 5v5 (or even casual). really would like to see that change, although it probably won't. seems like community servers are mostly (besides surf/kz) just resigned to a handful of identical DM/warmup servers anymore. it wasn't a ton better in GO but there were at least usually a few active 5v5 servers or some more retakes servers to pick from.
9 maps in active duty is the best way to address this issue
Season was great
B was easier to take and harder to hold, A was the opposite. I really miss it, especially the random fights in the vents
I honestly wish that Valve would improve custom-map exposure by allowing for "custom leagues" with a custom map pool. It shouldn't be the case that perfectly good maps languish unplayed just because there's no good way to match make on a set of community maps. Especially now that there's per-map ranking instead of general ranking, it feels like having better workshop match making would solve some of these problems (especially if there was a discovery queue, as in match make me with any other players for any workshop map, so a catch all of all workshop maps.) You could also match make for any of your subscribed maps or within a specific steam group.
my man's back
hope they bring back tuscan
played like 300+ matches in CS:GO
fun to play both ct and t
simple layout, comfort duels
Bring back the classic hostage maps, at least for casual. It's brutal only having office and italy.
Swapping 1 map in the active duty pool at the end of each month might be nice once they add more maps.
imagine map pool of : cache , cobble , train , tuscan , mirage , dd2 , inferno , nuke . and take away all the shit maps : vertigo , overpass , anubis , ancient , office .
9 map pool with 2 out and 2 in rotation every year at the end of a major as well as a seasonal rank reset for premier mode.
changing maps once a year is the best way to do it for pro play. imagine being told half way through the season your teams best map just got swapped for one u have never played
not all maps can fit inside pro play but pro play isn't everything, regular players still wanna play maps like cobble even tho its not in pro play and honestly probably wont ever be again. It just feels good to be able to play it and not have it removed. It was especially infuriating when cobble wasn't playable in csgo but they had 3 hostage maps at the same time playable. Also i want biome back.
From the perspective of a fan of Pro play, 9 map pool would be a bad idea imho. In Bo3 a team can perma ban 1 map and needs to be competitive on 6 maps. We saw at the beginning of CS2 that FaZe tried to have no perma bans and be competitive on 7 maps and that while working initially quickly became unsustainable. The level of effort to keep up on and push the meta on 6 maps is enough as is. a 9 map pool could lead to really weird match results. Definitely a fan of changing maps after each major. If Valve did with CS what they do to Dota where they release big updates after TI, it'd keep the game fresh both for players and pro teams.
I loved Mocha... it was the best map I have ever played in CS.
I miss Season, it was such a fun map!
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Imo the pool should change more often, 2 changes per year would be cool! Even if the retired map doesn't get any significant changes until it comes back
Most underrated map of all time? Lite. Lite went SO HARD and if they just called it Cache 2 I guarantee you it would still be popular today.