I tried to analyze "I" by MESHUGGAH
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I tried to make sense of this monstrous song, "I" by Meshuggah.
The rumor is that it's totally random.
And I guess it is !
I couldn't find anything that would explain these rhythms, but maybe you can!
Here's a link to picturs of the number sheets I made.
If you find something, LET ME KNOW!
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0:00 intro
Imagine showing up to rehearsal like "Yo check this new song I worked on last night" and hitting them with this monstrosity
😂😂
It's a good one to play live, absolutely no one is gonna notice if someone messes up lmao.
@@damiencouturee6240everyone would be too scared to boo the guitarist for messin up, he IS the final boss of metal
@@damiencouturee6240 I know you joke but it's fun to think how obvious a mistake would actually be. The drums and guitars are so rhythmically intertwined in Meshuggah songs that if one instrument is off even slightly the whole thing becomes a garbled mess. That's what makes them so impressive to see live, and why Tomas Haake said they'll never include "I" in their sets lol
they also said they never play anything from catch 33 and yet 3 songs have been a staple of their setlist for the last years. @@IAmRodyle granted, I is anothe beast due to it's lenght but i dare to dream
As I said in the livestream, hopefully Meshuggah will see this video, think "ah, that's how it goes!" and start performing I in the future :P Also, bananas.
As much as I would really want to see "I" live, the time and effort they'd have to put in to even memorize the whole song would be too much. :-(
That livestream was super dope. To see how the sauce is made, grinding it out and all. Thank you!
@@guybuddy1 They wouldn't need to memorise it, just use Yogev's chart! ;)
@@AidanMmusic96 they could have this chart as a backdrop and at the back of the venue so everyone could follow along. \o/
@@scottbroberts God I want this.
This song actually serves many purposes .
The two main ones are : testing the the limits of decyphering capacities of quantum computers .
The second one is to give some hard work for archeologists and scholars in year 10.000 AD .
They look at this and are like "see guys, i told you aliens are real!"
This might look right this time around, but many fail to realize that “I” is different every time you hear it. It’s not a solid, but a liquid. Most people listen to this so loud, they fail to notice the squeaking and creaking around them - the sound of space time stretching and bending, squealing in pain. Next time you listen to this song, that 5 might be a 7. And that 4 over 3? It’s 13 over 22 now. Thomas is trapped in this polyrhythmic paradox, and he wrote this as a call for help. But every time we come to his aid, the door will have molded into a wall and there’s no trace except a subtle smell of sweaty drumsticks.
You can even hear his screams every time the song starts over.
I love you.
Seriously underrated comment.
Great comment! It's funny because it's true!
“You know we’re gonna have to play this *live* right?”
"No. :)"
Tomas Haake:
*"No one knows how 'I' goes."*
Sam Mooradian:
*"Excuse me?"*
Don't forget about Morgan Agren, Dane Markanson and Greg Harrison, they were first: th-cam.com/video/ChIjuUeAeC4/w-d-xo.html
Edit: However I assume it wasn't one take/live.
i too have learned the song:D
As someone who has tried to deconstruct Meshuggah songs myself, i can tell those are definitely not your first papers.
Failure is progress
It's mind blowing on how Meshuggah composed this song. They're so ahead of their time.
You can see the process a bit on some studio footage that was recently posted. Looks like Tomas layed down the drum parts, and then Fredrik literally looked at either the wave forms or midi of the drum sections and played along with the semi-randomized grooves Tomas played. I'm sure it was a bit more complicated than that but actually a lot more doable than it seems
At the end of the day it's just basic arithmetic. It would be mind blowing if they could perform this live with zero errors.
@@thevomit5851 , no offense but sounds to me like you're just trying to find an excuse to downplay the band. The very fact that they made this particular song into existence is a testimony of their creativity, uniqueness and technicality. Yes, it would be great to see and hear them play it live but it's really none of our business should they not to. I'd be fine listening to it through my speakers and admire how such a monster track was made.
@@ryehlb I love Meshuggah and think they're very creative but you don't have to endlessly fellate them and treat them like gods.
@@carnacstone7309 , yeah I saw that, too.
A guy named Jonathan Pieslak actually did an academic breakdown of about the first third of I, along with some comparisons to more "conventional" Meshuggah, as a master's thesis in music theory. The paper was called Re-Casting Metal: Rhythm and Meter in the Music of Meshuggah, and was published in the 29th issue of Music Theory Spectrum in 2007. It's been interesting referring back and forth between your transcription and his analysis as I watch and listen.
p.s. blueberries
Oh! Where can I find that? Is there a link you can share ?
@@YogevGabay I'll send an email shortly
@@schraedera I'd love to see it too man! where can I find it
@@ZachMcCordProg there's a link from the author's personal website to an upload on scribd (looks like you need to register an account there to download now), or if you have JSTOR access through a university it's in their database.
This song is a marvel. Meshuggah are the only ones who can carry a metal song for 21 minutes and not wear out their welcome, and it all being so crazy makes it a new experience every listen. I don't think they will ever outdo this song, and I doubt anyone will ever be as cool as you are whilst analyzing music.
Grapes, by the way.
The Cavern by Inter Arma
Yeah I think they have stated that Thomas just recorded cool drum patterns randomly and then Fredrik had to figure out what it was
some might say that this is too raw but I see it as a madmans notes with random numbers and stuff like this track IS. great job. I hope one day you will do Fredrik's "Sol Niger within". That stuff is as close to a alien invasion on drugs while you have a berserk mode in jazz bar basementbasement as it can get.
The riff at 9:32 has always been the most mind-blowing riff to me since the first time I heard this
My favorite riff of them all time! /,,/
It's like an MC Escher painting, especially like that illusion with sound that always seems to be getting higher in pitch, except that sound is just you 'falling up' the stairs.
For me it's the one at 10:30
@@GabiBrooks A great, great choice that one too!
Yeah man. It’s like falling from Mt. Everest… in reverse.
Strawberries or Raspberries for sure. What an epic breakdown, that last riff is absolutely NASTY 😬
That moment when neither "berry" is actually a berry but actually a fruit.
hahahahahahah
And the strawberry actually belongs to the family of nuts.
Seriously, I'm not making this up.
@@oscargill423 - Fun fact: A Strawberry is not a berry, but a Banana is. Go figure.
@@Burnt_Gerbil Yeah, it's so crazy how botany works
Imagine Frederik and Thomas like “we will drop absolutely random stuff at rehearsal” and after all of these years Yogev systematized this stuff. Great ep, one of my favorites of Meshuggah songs ever. This track alone keeps telling me that I suck at music still.
Do you really think you suck at music, as long as you are not able to play this? Wow, thats hard. I also like Meshuggah, and i am a musician too. But when i listen to Meshuggah, i just let the music happen in a way. I can not "think" about this. .....just my two cents. Keep up!
Strawberries pulled at random
Pineapple Gland Optics
All I can say is, holy shit. I is a behemoth of a song.
I was originally released on Fractured Transmitter records, and as a teenager obsessed with Mushroomhead and 7 strings I promptly went out and bought it. Never heard anything like it. I figured out and memorised the section at 6:09, but could never get my head around the rest of the incredible record. Incredible work as always, Yogev.
Always felt that Catch 33 was just the continuation of the theme set with I, and always baffled that more people didn't rate this as one of their best records. Incredible from start to finish. Would love to see it live, but the band have always maintained they a) can't and b) won't.
"I" is waaaaaaaaaay better than Catch Thirtythr33 IMHO. There's just a lot more going on, still feels a little organic like their earlier material. C33 was too robotic to me, with a lot less Thordendal solos.
They played Mind's Mirrors and both In Death pieces on the recent tour.
@@AidanMmusic96 He's talking about playing I live.
Always felt like 33 is kinda the opposite sibling to I..
mushroom head huh...do you like slipknot?
i wonder what Zappa would’ve thought of this song.
Zappa was alive when Contradictions Collapsed was released, so I wonder if he ever heard that.
Kumquats!
Thanks for doing this - massive project! As a guitarist, I love the riffs starting at 9:32 - the guitars and bass sort of bow down to the drums. Every time the snare hits, they all budge down from their slow ascent. It sounds helpless to me, like they’re stuck. It’s a simple compositional trick, maybe, but I haven’t heard anything like it.
Glad you enjoy it!
Strawberries... or maybe plums... I don't know!
This was an excellent breakdown! I was actually able to follow along for like 5 whole seconds at one point! I consider that a win! 🤣
Fukkin awesome, man. One thing I love about 'Shugg is the way these rhythms must be created according to some incredible, maniacal clock. And it expresses so much as it ticks away. Seeing you track the ticks and tocks on paper makes it more beautiful to me. Orange is my favorite.
Ahhh man thanks a lot !
Raspberries! Well done and thank you Yogev! \m/
Remember how people took Tool songs and layered them over other Tool songs and then said Tool must have written the songs that way on purpose in the hopes that some fan would randomly just happen to layer 3 songs together and discover "the ultimate Tool song"?
what if... follow me here... what if Meshuggah did that with "I"?
We just need to layer other Meshuggah songs over it until it like IDK, unlocks the secrets of reality or something.
That's where you come in Yogev, you are the best at breaking down Meshuggah so it's up to you to find the key to unlock the "ultimate Meshuggah song".
Find a combination of other Meshuggah songs that match the length of "I" and start there
No, I never heard of this. Please point us in its direction.
@@jravell Search for "tool hidden track 10 k days" on TH-cam.
Someone noticed that, when played back to back, Wings 1 and Viginty Tres we're the exact same length as Wings 2(10KDays), so they layered em over it and the beat kind of matched, so they believed themselves to have discovered a hidden track in 10KDays, as if Tool like made this puzzle of a song that only someone like a crazy Toolfan would ever be dedicated enough to happen to notice, or possibly no one would ever know about it.
Meshuggah already did this on Elastic. And the 3 songs they stuck together are NOT the same length.
@@smetatan000 Well, something like that
What you put onto paper accurately portrays how my mind is working when I’m listening to this song. Props on your hard work because this song is not easy to break downs 🤘🏼👁🤘🏼
I actually did this same thing with the intro a couple years ago. I even tried taking the two basic rhythmic units and assigning them values of 1 and 0 and inputting that information into a binary data decoder to see if there was a hidden message encoded into the part. It still seems to me like there is some sort of method to it but I couldn't identify any pattern, and if there is some musical cryptography involved, I don't think it's anything simple that we'll ever be able to crack.
Hey Yogev!!!! ive been listening to this tune for 18 years, and ive always looked at this track as a challenge to be able to memorize every detail of what these guys were playing, especially what Tomas was playing being a drummer myself and huge Meshuggah fan....i cant express how much i appreciate you sharing your breakdown and notation methods on your channel...its so amazing to see how they thought about the common themes and the variations within the themes..."I" isn't random at all...its a 20 minute movement. thank you so much for all the amazing work you do on your channel. This is so satisfying to get a my questions answered...
You're welcome Bobby !!
I have a very strong feeling that the reason these seem random is because Tomas just went in and just went for it.. Playing all kinds of crazy ass shit and Fred recorded it all. Then they learned what Tomas played, pieced it all together and it all became what we all know to be as I.. I have programmed drums once before any guitar riffs where created and it was a pretty fun and interesting approach to creating a new song. That's most likely why Fred had that intro section "tabbed" out the way he did. Makes the most sence to me.. Great channel and love all the Mesh stuff..
My favorite fruit is apricot. Because it grows in May, and contains a lot of shuggah.
I see what you did there
Absolutely mind-bending, from the mind of a classical musician this is absolutely masterfully organized chaos. Imagine putting that together as a band. However, the moment of silence, around 10:29 is absolutely essential to the drama and I am sad you minimized it's role. I challenge anyone to "beet" em.
This is an absolute beast of a song and you somehow made it comprehensive. You’re absolutely bananas ;)
bananas
and thanks for this video! one step closer to figuring out how to be one of the few people to have covered this song to its fullest..... hopefully
Another awesome video. The more you unpack Meshuggah the more it blows my mind their ability to absolutely crush the norm in the music industry and take song writing to a new level. Their is no other, only imitation. I can’t believe those guys just come up with this stuff.
Also, do you use software to slow the songs down to figure them out?
I don't use one, but there's a software called 'Transcribe' that I know is good.
Also there used to be an app called "the amazing slowdowner" but idk if it's still around
Banana! So yeah that was pretty insane, small patterns here and there but nothing repeating really as I expected. I love this song for its pure unrelenting heaviness, it is probably Meshuggah's heaviest song in terms of the mix of speed, chugging and tone!!! \m/
That opening would make a killer rhythm exercise
8:30 this is one of the few moments of music where metal terrifies me
And oh… it’s apples. They just work. Excellent breakdown!
Meshuggah is pure art. Gotta love how they create these complex pieces of rythims and confuses our heads LOL great work tho analyze this song.
Really enjoy seeing all you videos. My music-major son and I watch them together when we can. He adds extra explanation for me or sometimes just “whoa!!” It’s fun for us. Blueberries are my favorite.
That is awesome! Father and son Meshuggah bonding? sounds about right.
These numeric shorthands are helpful for hearing the underlying patterns. I wonder how they composed this. Like, did they perhaps use a randomizing technique? Also, Mango.
They composed it by basically the guitarist came up with riffs, the drummer recorded them real-time with the drums and then the guitarrist records the rest (so there wasn’t much composition, mostly improvising)
Pear. 🍐
You have the best channel on TH-cam. Keep going! It's insane how *looking* at the way Meshuggah sounds brings a whole new appreciation of their music
Oh man thank you !!
I love cherries, blackberries, and raspberries.
The outro to I is so freaking heavy, and that solo after the 4/4 part halfway through the song, omfg.
Friggin' impressive. I've always loved Meshuggah's intricate patterns, but seeing them with another sense other than your ears, really gives another, very humbling perspective. Wonderful video, my friend! Mango!
I'm thinking cantaloupe right now, but I also like a nice Apple sometimes. Watermelons great too. But the effortlessness of a grape can't be denied. Killer video. So happy the algorithm brought me here again your videos are amazing.
Cherries 🍒
Very nice job. I didn't realize how much of these riffs I "knew" from muscle memory more than I "knew" musically until seeing it written down. Keep it up Yogev!!! 🤘🤘
oranges! fantastic video, i've been looking for something like this for a long time. thanks for the work you do!
Tomato!
Insane work on your end visualizing an insane track. Dope stuff man.
Man, this song is such a trip for me, reminds me of when you first try your favorite fruit.
You tried to explain the ridiculous, and you did well. Props.
Best Meshuggah song imo. Love your content, and this video is gonna be my bible from now until I learn it. Watermelon for sure.
Awesome! Thank you!
My favorite is also melon 🍈 🤘🤘
I remember vividly the first time I listened to this song. It carved a something out of my mind, and put it back upside down. Effin unbelievable track, for sure, thanks for the work on this video!
I have nothing smart or insightful to contribute, but listening to this song and watching you count along to it with your charts made my brain go brrrrrrrr
also, mango
that's awesome, I have a video here on youtube playing that song on the guitar from 2008 when we could only upload 10 min video maximum, so its separated in 3 parts and it has a terrible sound/video quality :P Funny to see that I did exactly the same thing as you trying to figure out the patterns, still have the papers with my nottings on it!
freaking grapes man, love them for some reason
also the video is absolutely phenomenal.
Thanks for your work. Love And respect! Peace!
Strawberry : ) I know now why that last section is so devastating. Those dotted notes really give it spice
Let's add mangos to the mix! Although bananas certainly fit the theme. Amazing stuff!
Truly amazing, Sir! Respect!😱passion fruit🖤
Strawberries go pretty hard.
Great job on writing this whole masterpiece out. Every time I would listen to “I” I would try to write the notes out in my head, and of course it failed every time. It boggles my mind on how they even began the writing process for “I”, every section quite literally is random, just repeated randomness. “I” is one of few 15+ minute songs that I actually bother to sit through, and I appreciate you covering it. Sorry if this sounds like incoherent rambling.
thanks for all of this, great way to be guided through
- orange
I like mandarins! Also this was epic. Thanks for blowing my mind with a break down of something that already blows my mind. Crazy.
Ripe fresh fig. Wow, that was epic! I like the number notation you could sell those at Meshuggah gigs so people could headbang in time!
Обожаю твои видео, это бесценный опыт в познании подобной музыке...
Такой вопрос, а ты обращал внимание, как ведет себя свето-музыка на концертах Meshuggah? Мне кажется, там тоже очень много математики и акцентов...
Parts * 10,10.1 and my FAVORITE way to warm up at the start of practicing. One of the most brilliant and hypnotic pieces of music ever.
I really doubt they created the entire song on random. I hate how they never played this song live btw. One of my favorite songs of their discography.
Um you ever wonder why they never played it live? Because it's random
@@subsume7904 No fucking way it's random. And the reason they never play it live it's because the song is long, exausting and it would take 1/4 of the full time of the show to play it.
Hey ive been following your videos quite a while now and im a big fan of all of your breakdowns. I was wondering if youve ever considered doing an Animals as Leaders breakdown. It would be quite the video.
Yes yes I may do those !
Brilliant, really well done. A total beast of a song & one of their best. You nailed it. Keep up the great work on the 'Shuggah....
Mango mango mango. Also wtf meshuggah
I know this is more intricate and a longer song but if Dream Theater can pull off The Dance Of Eternity live, with practice I think Meshuggah could work this out
Dance of eternety might be difficult, but remember, this song is RANDOM.
@@MrBaverboafter coming back to this video from your comment, you are most definitely correct lol. This is confusing as shit
Favourite fruit - grapes.
I love your channel dude, keep up the good work!
Glad you like it!
I love oranges more than oranges love me.
*Hella* respect for actually doing this, by the way. Even if we can't glean any kind of high-level pattern, it's awesome to see it all written out regardless.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Meshuggah eventually decides to whip this one out, most likely for their farewell tour
Apricots! Good job Yogev!!
Favorite fruit: Guava
Edit - Who doesn’t watch the whole video? It’s like leaving the theater before the end of the movie. That’s bizarre. 🤷♂️
While this is hella impressive and Meshuggah is and will always be in my top 3 bands, this isn't super hard to do in a modern studio setting. There's video you can see of them recording this, and it looks like Tomas played semi random parts that Fredrick then went back and analyzed and layered guitar over. Then from there it's just a matter of copy/pasting the patterns to create an even more randomized pattern, especially if they knew they weren't planning to play it live.
Through the years i can achieve to decipher by ear the sections 3-4, 8-9, 11-12-13 and be capable to follow it, is a kind of religious-chamanic trance, an absolute neurogenesis experience... 🔥🧠🔥
The other sections are just a language from another dimension, and it's hard to believe that something like that level of supra-human madness will be possible to do live.
Thanks for your super valuable pedagogic work master!!!
oh i'm so excited! this might be my favorite song by the band \m/ this is great content, boss
Off topic but I’m so glad to see your channel “blowing up” as it were. I remember your earlier videos I’d watch that were of similar good quality and me being flabbergasted that your subs weren’t more. Keep it up.
Slowly slowly ! Thanks a lot !
Oranges defeat everything. Except Meshuggah. Nothing defeats Meshuggah. Mindblowing how this insanity is still groovy as hell.
My favorite work of theirs. A true ageless masterpiece. And to know it was at least recorded with live instruments.
Apple, I don't eat other fruits
I absolutely love pineapples. Even when I get a stomach after.
hahahahah #worthit
Great job.
I'm a drummer & soon after its release I noted these sections in a similar way, but no manuscript for me haha, just my own languages.
grapefruit! Very grateful for all the work you put in to make your videos
plum, I must say I listen only one time to I and it was recently but, it clearly deserves a deep dive into it.
My favorite part is that how I came to know Meshuggah was from Clone Hero charts so even if I can't break it down mentally to even the same league that you can, I can see to an extent measures and note placement on them if the charter holds faithful to the actual tabs.
Epic effort to analyze this song, Yogev.
How does the band remember all of that while playing live!?
they are japanese, easy.
They don't
They're never played it live and they said they never will.
That's the neat part: they don't.
Thats the neat part, they dont
Peaches for sure 🤘🤘 thank you for your sacrifice to learning 😅
favorite fruit... mango. stunning breakdown. this track needs much more. I get it... "no one knows". still, they made it happen. there is something to know.
this is why i once subscribed, thanks a lot :)
BANANA! Best video as of yet! Thank you!!
Cherries.
Thx for your work!
thank you for translating this insanity.
Very impressive! Thank you for doing this. 🤘
my favourite Meshuggah's song. I listen to it so many times ! And I love banana :D (too bad you skip parts of the song, tho... i'll have to see that live stream video I guess)
this is ridiculous xD these guys are genius
Pineapple!! Awesome work!
This here is an infinite jam. No rhythmic "center" but the rhythmic "identity" is there. (Mango)
I felt like I plunged into the depths of creation listening to this.
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They way they keep upping the dose, considerably, on each and every album...makes it at least slightly conceivable (or at least funny to imagine) that a future album might take a very unexpected turn. Hey, maybe a bunch of incredibly simplistic songs, in 4/4, with lovely melodic vocals and choruses filled with pop-rock sensibilities and pretty harmonies, just to subvert expectations in a massive, shocking, and confusing way which has never been seen before. That would be hilarious. Maybe even with an April release. And then a potential plot-twist:
..they are shocked when fans find unintended reasons to genuinely love it.
Don't say those things out loud. Happened to Dillinger Escape Plan and the result is not pretty.
Amazing work. Nectarines.