[ 2:24 ] Slight correction: The particles only appear when landing on the ground WITHOUT holding, therefore the particles should only appear in that section if a blue pad was hit beforehand. Which is also why they didn’t appear in your testing, as you did not let the wave touch the ground
Another important note: When Tosh ‘verified’ Devil Vortex, it was put 4th on the demon list at the time. The only demons above Devil Vortex at that time were of course the RGB trio consisting of Sonic Wave, Yatagarasu and Erebus. However those 3 demons above Devil Vortex were all verified by players who were considered a good bit better than Tosh at that time. Sunix, Trusta and BoldStep. Those 3 players took a lot of attempts to verify those levels. It took Sunix around 35,000 attempts to verify Sonic Wave, it took Trusta around 50,000 attempts to verify Yatagarasu and it took BoldStep around 44,000 attempts to verify Erebus. However it took Tosh only around 5,000 attempts to verify Devil Vortex which was at similar difficulty. If we look at what the hardest achievement was for the 3 verifiers of the RBG demons compared to Tosh, we can see who looks legit and who doesn’t. Sunix was already known for beating so many extreme demons before he beat Sonic Wave. He had already beaten Bloodbath, Phobos, Athanatos and Sakupen Hell before SW. Trusta had already beaten Bloodbath, Sakupen Hell and made a good bit of progress on Sonic Wave before he verified Yatagarasu. I may be wrong but BoldStep and Tosh both had Bloodbath as their hardest before Erebus and Devil Vortex. The only difference is that BoldStep actually spent more than 40,000 attempts on Erebus. And this is just a suggestion for the gd demon list moderators: Instead of writing Tosh or ‘no one’ for the verifier of Devil Vortex, you could instead put Sunix because he was the first player to beat Devil Vortex after it came out. Edit: Just checked for BoldStep, turns out Bloodbath was his 2nd hardest demon before Erebus. His hardest at the time was actually Infernal Abyss but his verification of Erebus is still believable of being legitimate :)
@@SynteeGD The thing is, he didn’t. He didn’t manage to make an excuse for why the saws were in that jumbled mess, rather than just one saw for each one that he needed to copy. The only way I can see it being legit is that the saws being super messy was just a joke that he didn’t explain for some weird reason, and that the number of objects for the saws being the same of the number of objects needed to make the hard parts auto was just a coincidence. Him copy+pasting the saws around instead of using custom objects, which would be much easier to use, could also be potentially explained by being too used to using the old method from 1.9. As you can see, it’s quite a bit of a stretch, With all the weird reasons for stuff that just make building the level harder.
@@Periwinkleaccount except it needs to prove it without a doubt. there was still a very low but existing chance it was legit back then even with the weirdness of the saws
@@SynteeGD Yeah that makes sense I guess, but everything he did was SO obvious we all just wanted to believe you know? like the saw thing for example WHY in the hell did any of us believe that? its funny looking back on it tho
i'm pretty sure the automatic pads have been brought up in some videos (such as norkbork's video of where he talked about the automatic pads and the saws) 3:40 - you can actually see that tosh has particles enabled, but it's only active WHEN he touches the ground. this doesn't happen when he hits an orb, or a pad, which is just really unusual
I genuinely can't not believe all this time he managed to get away with this for so long. When I first saw the accusations, I didn't think much. Use to look up to him and called him one of my favorite gd yt-bers.
i was 13 when this situation happened. its crazy to see this brought up again when im 19 years old. feels like a few months ago for me that this happened.
I believe what you don’t know is that the particles actually happen when the wave comes into contact with the ground after having been flipped by another blue pad. You’ll notice in zcylix’s video, he shows how Tosh’s wave just BARELY grazes the floor before hitting the blue pad, and that’s where the particles came from. In your attempt, it seems your wave didn’t graze the floor at all, which may be what’s going on
Yeah I never thought of it that way, definitely should've taken more time to playtest. Thank you for letting me know, this makes a lot more sense to me
And for the people wanting to know why there were 54 saws in the editor of the un-auto. Known as the 'devil vortex saws' is to make up for the 54 blue auto pads
those particles only appear when you slide along the floor of an object with any gamemode, as long as you aren't holding. This means that when he hit the floor here he was in normal gravity and was not holding. As this part starts in normal gravity, this is expected to happen here as you would want to let go and slide on the floor for a tiny bit. This is not evidence this is just someone pointing out particles which are meant to happen and then people saying it is because of blue pads which make a completely different particle effect.
The particles don't only appear when hitting the ground after hitting a blue pad. I tested it out myself in a copy of death corridor's wave section, right after the spam and the slower wave part, there is a slightly easier spam consistency where you can BARELY hit the ground before having to go up. And while doing that, I noticed that those SAME PARTICLES appeared when I touched the ground. It seemed to have been caused by the mini portal.
I was on the list team when we made that “exposing video”. I’m glad something was actually found that put him under. We all had known it wasn’t legit but it seemed like every piece of evidence we found was ambiguous…
@@SynteeGDyou're god damn right we enjoyed your video! That's basically top tier content with clear voice , understandable and coherent speech, good visuals and overall great editing. I wouldn't say it is flawless as people pointed out that one mistake you made, but even by guessing that you were underrated I expected at least more than 2k subs. Hopefully you'll get that in the near future !
funny how there was a claim saying tosh autoed the level, you know the old saws thingy, there ARE 54 objects, meaning tosh used 54 blue pads. and made the saws to balance out the object count
literally every video ive seen on this: "he did THIS in his copy of the level, which is blatantly obvious evidence of cheating, but its just a coincidence. he also did perfectly consistent clicks down to the pixel, but we can never be sure"
Well here's what I know. If Tosh used a semi-auto version to verify, he likely showed the object count of this version when play-testing. The level he uploaded contained the saws to make up for the lost objects when he deleted the invisible auto objects, so the object count of the uploaded level (without invisible auto) would stay the same as the level he verified (with the invisible auto). Sorry if my explanation is confusing. Also if I'm wrong about this, please let me know!
im still wondering about the 240hz fix version i tested some possible "nocliped" spots in the video but they are legit i dont have the expertise to test any delayed clicks lol so somebody else has to do it it does matter if he did it legit or not cuz verified=verified, the versions are the same (except of the bugfixes, still no nerf) , even when it happened after he got exposed for hacking the original
I was still in school when this happend damn. Now I have work and this is finally getting a closure. Damn man, always knew. Jammer hoor dit. Teleurgesteld in Tosh. Ben benieuwd of RedHuseey hier ook van wist
i remember years back when tosh claimed he was a 60/75hz player and i called bullshit (because of his ship trail and other things i noticed about his gameplay) and he ended up banning me from his channel and now it turns out he might have cheated? damn
I never understood why people ever said this was unconfirmed, his wave movements were always too consistent and his gameplay was wack in general. Obviously invisible auto
ive personally been on a vc with tosh and hussey at some point a couple years ago and they were both extremely rude and disrespectful, dont know how they got so popular...
2:04 Bro I thought anyone with a braincell can figure this whole thing out. So you're telling me that no one noticed the particles are off when he goes through portals and pads, which can be exploited to make some parts auto
no, the particles aren't from pads, they are because tosh slided in that part, now i'm not expert so i think that you CAN slide there so this evidence is fake, the wave spam is more of an actual evidence (also, how could there be particles if tosh used ldm to not show them)
That's the thing, they shouldn't show up in LDM but they did somehow. But if the particles aren't from pads then yes, this evidence isn't exactly valid you're right.
@@SynteeGD then is there a chance that the video was splitted and nobody noticed for 6 years? maybe the footage was from 2 different days and he forgot to put ldm on the second part because that part was done legit?
In his 2nd complete he beat it with autoclicker, he beat it in 3 or so parts, way he did it is simple autoclick recorded click he did in practice mod so only thing he needed to do is beat one part put checkpoint and beat the level, after he needed to cut only his audio recording. Is there evidence for this? Oh yea, its really easy to spot that sync of click randomly change (delay) and i spoted it 2 times which means he beat it in at least 3 parts
If anything, that particle thing proves Tosh right... The only way to get those particles is if there's NOT a jump/gravity pad. I'm not saying Tosh didn't hacked the level, but this is not a piece of evidence at all
Good vid, and thanks for credit :)
Thank you! And good work on the exposal vid, you did the community a favour :)
thanks for pointing out particles which happen normally
@@xd3athclawx554 bro please take a look at other dv completions. They don’t happen normally😭
@@zcylix i literally just went into the level myself and tested it, it happens normally.
nah bro tosh stan detected shaddup@@xd3athclawx554
[ 2:24 ]
Slight correction:
The particles only appear when landing on the ground WITHOUT holding, therefore the particles should only appear in that section if a blue pad was hit beforehand. Which is also why they didn’t appear in your testing, as you did not let the wave touch the ground
I was about to mention that, I do not think tosh should’ve been banned from the demon list with that less of “evidence,” valid point.
Ahh makes a lot more sense. Thank you for letting me know
theres been so much that at this point i just want him gone@@Fergr_222
@@SynteeGDso does that mean the evidence is solid?
@@Fergr_222 are you slow? those particles are evidence of tosh using invisible pads
SpaceUK getting caught after 2 years: Omg I can’t believe he wasn’t caught!
Tosh: Am I a joke to you?
Lmao hood one
hood one???@@megustalapizzaxd2463
@@megustalapizzaxd2463hood joke
@@megustalapizzaxd2463hood god
Another important note: When Tosh ‘verified’ Devil Vortex, it was put 4th on the demon list at the time. The only demons above Devil Vortex at that time were of course the RGB trio consisting of Sonic Wave, Yatagarasu and Erebus. However those 3 demons above Devil Vortex were all verified by players who were considered a good bit better than Tosh at that time. Sunix, Trusta and BoldStep. Those 3 players took a lot of attempts to verify those levels. It took Sunix around 35,000 attempts to verify Sonic Wave, it took Trusta around 50,000 attempts to verify Yatagarasu and it took BoldStep around 44,000 attempts to verify Erebus. However it took Tosh only around 5,000 attempts to verify Devil Vortex which was at similar difficulty. If we look at what the hardest achievement was for the 3 verifiers of the RBG demons compared to Tosh, we can see who looks legit and who doesn’t. Sunix was already known for beating so many extreme demons before he beat Sonic Wave. He had already beaten Bloodbath, Phobos, Athanatos and Sakupen Hell before SW. Trusta had already beaten Bloodbath, Sakupen Hell and made a good bit of progress on Sonic Wave before he verified Yatagarasu. I may be wrong but BoldStep and Tosh both had Bloodbath as their hardest before Erebus and Devil Vortex. The only difference is that BoldStep actually spent more than 40,000 attempts on Erebus.
And this is just a suggestion for the gd demon list moderators: Instead of writing Tosh or ‘no one’ for the verifier of Devil Vortex, you could instead put Sunix because he was the first player to beat Devil Vortex after it came out.
Edit: Just checked for BoldStep, turns out Bloodbath was his 2nd hardest demon before Erebus. His hardest at the time was actually Infernal Abyss but his verification of Erebus is still believable of being legitimate :)
Record for longest exposal comment 😂
Bro is the thinker 🤯
the particles only appear if you hit the ground after a blue pad, not hitting a blue pad directly. i was confused at first too lol
Yes that makes a lot more sense, thank you for letting me know!
@SynteeGD no problem man, and awesome job on the video
OH IVE SEEN UR LIVES BEFORE
Lets be honest we all new it and it had basically enough proof for some reason we just collectively decided it wasn't enough
We decided it wasn't enough because he managed to make an excuse for every single allegation
@@SynteeGD The thing is, he didn’t. He didn’t manage to make an excuse for why the saws were in that jumbled mess, rather than just one saw for each one that he needed to copy. The only way I can see it being legit is that the saws being super messy was just a joke that he didn’t explain for some weird reason, and that the number of objects for the saws being the same of the number of objects needed to make the hard parts auto was just a coincidence. Him copy+pasting the saws around instead of using custom objects, which would be much easier to use, could also be potentially explained by being too used to using the old method from 1.9. As you can see, it’s quite a bit of a stretch, With all the weird reasons for stuff that just make building the level harder.
@@Periwinkleaccount except it needs to prove it without a doubt. there was still a very low but existing chance it was legit back then even with the weirdness of the saws
@@SynteeGD Yeah that makes sense I guess, but everything he did was SO obvious we all just wanted to believe you know? like the saw thing for example WHY in the hell did any of us believe that? its funny looking back on it tho
I’m still thinking about his texture pack tbh
i'm pretty sure the automatic pads have been brought up in some videos (such as norkbork's video of where he talked about the automatic pads and the saws)
3:40 - you can actually see that tosh has particles enabled, but it's only active WHEN he touches the ground. this doesn't happen when he hits an orb, or a pad, which is just really unusual
You mean nothingisscary or some youtuber like that?
No, it was norkbork’s video (he only went over the saws)
the particles that appear when you slide on something without holding happen even with low detail mode.
I thought the cut at the robot was already enough proof of him hacking the verification lol
I agree. The amount of sus things in his video is insane, but he would just do everything but confess
That was skipped frames tho. That happens to me all the time even on empty ass levels.
and the guy just casually doing frame perfect spam right after a cut
@@SynteeGDthe ship got pushed into the straight corridor once with an obviously invisible slope
@@AkiDasherr i noticed that but didnt pay any mind to it, as i dont know anything about this level
I genuinely can't not believe all this time he managed to get away with this for so long. When I first saw the accusations, I didn't think much. Use to look up to him and called him one of my favorite gd yt-bers.
Exactly how I felt
cant not
youtube bers
i was 13 when this situation happened. its crazy to see this brought up again when im 19 years old. feels like a few months ago for me that this happened.
While the evidence is suspicious, if they can't prove that that happens when you hit a pad, then it's disproven
the fact he was the first to point fingers at nocta is enough for me like like yeah takes one to know one
I believe what you don’t know is that the particles actually happen when the wave comes into contact with the ground after having been flipped by another blue pad. You’ll notice in zcylix’s video, he shows how Tosh’s wave just BARELY grazes the floor before hitting the blue pad, and that’s where the particles came from. In your attempt, it seems your wave didn’t graze the floor at all, which may be what’s going on
Yeah I never thought of it that way, definitely should've taken more time to playtest. Thank you for letting me know, this makes a lot more sense to me
its just when you slide on something without holding, has nothing to do with blue pads.
And for the people wanting to know why there were 54 saws in the editor of the un-auto. Known as the 'devil vortex saws' is to make up for the 54 blue auto pads
those particles only appear when you slide along the floor of an object with any gamemode, as long as you aren't holding. This means that when he hit the floor here he was in normal gravity and was not holding. As this part starts in normal gravity, this is expected to happen here as you would want to let go and slide on the floor for a tiny bit. This is not evidence this is just someone pointing out particles which are meant to happen and then people saying it is because of blue pads which make a completely different particle effect.
Interesting, I didn't know this. This is what I meant when I said that people will agree on anything just to discredit him
when he goes down, he is in normal gravity, like you would be in an auto. adding a blue pad and holding would honestly just make that bit harder
The particles don't only appear when hitting the ground after hitting a blue pad. I tested it out myself in a copy of death corridor's wave section, right after the spam and the slower wave part, there is a slightly easier spam consistency where you can BARELY hit the ground before having to go up. And while doing that, I noticed that those SAME PARTICLES appeared when I touched the ground. It seemed to have been caused by the mini portal.
the devil vortex saws will never stop being such an overposted meme on the subreddit and discord
oooh I love this. You've got so much potential for big stuff in the future. Definitely gonna sub now and invest early :)
I appreciate your support it means a lot to me! Thank you very much:)
not sure if anyone pointed this out, but if you look closely at 3:28 you can see the ship seems to go down rapidly.
i think it's just part of the level i might be wrong though
About the particles in the wave, it's tosh's tpack. Only shows particles with blue pads
I was on the list team when we made that “exposing video”. I’m glad something was actually found that put him under. We all had known it wasn’t legit but it seemed like every piece of evidence we found was ambiguous…
Glad to see a final conclusion!
Same here!
Bro you will be a big youtuber in the future , continue like this
I'll definitely be making content similar to this, seems like a lot of people enjoyed it! Thank you man, I appreciate the kind words :))
@@SynteeGDyou're god damn right we enjoyed your video! That's basically top tier content with clear voice , understandable and coherent speech, good visuals and overall great editing.
I wouldn't say it is flawless as people pointed out that one mistake you made, but even by guessing that you were underrated I expected at least more than 2k subs.
Hopefully you'll get that in the near future !
You only have 32 subs? YOU ARE SO CRIMINALLY UNDERRATED (new sub! (33rd sub))
I appreciate the kind words thank you! Keep an eye out for new vids soon:)
@@SynteeGD ok :D (notif 2 secs ago lol)
2:30 he hit the ground which makes particles, plus the wave goes straight for a lil
ok, why 133 subs? You’re greatly underrated. I love this vid.
I'm glad you enjoyed, thank you very much!
NothingIsScary posted his findings before zcylix, yet zcylix's video brought the situation to light.
interesting, do you have a link to the vid?
@@SynteeGD ye sure it's th-cam.com/video/6Tn7nKsFaaI/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=NothingIsScary
1:30
"Did you beat it?"
"Nah i hacked this sh-"
Got me dying💀
funny how there was a claim saying tosh autoed the level, you know the old saws thingy, there ARE 54 objects, meaning tosh used 54 blue pads. and made the saws to balance out the object count
literally every video ive seen on this: "he did THIS in his copy of the level, which is blatantly obvious evidence of cheating, but its just a coincidence. he also did perfectly consistent clicks down to the pixel, but we can never be sure"
Ikr, I dont get why people say it is unconfirmed or unresolved. Always has been obvious
Yeah this is exactly how I feel too, but I tried my best to stay neutral in my vid lol
I like how all of this shit started off with some random ass sawblades out of bounds lmao
lamo
That's what im saying lol, but he never really had the community's respect in the first place which is why people were so quick to point anything out
I still don't know what the saws at the top of the level are😢
Well here's what I know. If Tosh used a semi-auto version to verify, he likely showed the object count of this version when play-testing. The level he uploaded contained the saws to make up for the lost objects when he deleted the invisible auto objects, so the object count of the uploaded level (without invisible auto) would stay the same as the level he verified (with the invisible auto). Sorry if my explanation is confusing. Also if I'm wrong about this, please let me know!
Bro just casually came out of nowhere and dropped a banger 🔥🔥
Glad you enjoyed it bro:)
First subscriber, you have some potential honestly.
Thank you very much, I appreciate the kind words!
Great video! What song was that at the end?
"We finally know the truth.... *or do we?"*
*vsauce theme starts playing*
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im still wondering about the 240hz fix version
i tested some possible "nocliped" spots in the video but they are legit
i dont have the expertise to test any delayed clicks lol so somebody else has to do it
it does matter if he did it legit or not cuz verified=verified, the versions are the same (except of the bugfixes, still no nerf) , even when it happened after he got exposed for hacking the original
didn't know people were actually still looking into this
I was still in school when this happend damn. Now I have work and this is finally getting a closure. Damn man, always knew. Jammer hoor dit. Teleurgesteld in Tosh. Ben benieuwd of RedHuseey hier ook van wist
Crazy how time flies
i remember years back when tosh claimed he was a 60/75hz player and i called bullshit (because of his ship trail and other things i noticed about his gameplay) and he ended up banning me from his channel
and now it turns out he might have cheated? damn
Quality video, new sub.
Thank you, I appreciate it:)
0:08 *moonmen starts playing in the background
Look at the time between verification and upload
Subbed! Hope to see more like this from you!
Thank you. I'll definitely be making content similar to this! Glad you guys are enjoying it:)
112th sub, awesome vid
You need way more subs. like this is the first video i looked because i love gd and this is something good to watch.
Really happy you enjoyed the vid, thank you for the support:)
Tosh's most recent upload was 3 weeks ago in his 2nd channel toshfn
Interesting, didn't know he had a 2nd channel!
*Vsauce theme kicks in* 0:08
I never understood why people ever said this was unconfirmed, his wave movements were always too consistent and his gameplay was wack in general. Obviously invisible auto
I agree!
You see the little auto particles if you use slopes and d blocks not pads 2:27
WHY is this STILL a topic bro
Almost like it was never going to end but here we are ig
0:08 *vsauce music plays*
ive personally been on a vc with tosh and hussey at some point a couple years ago and they were both extremely rude and disrespectful, dont know how they got so popular...
That's pretty surprising to hear, wouldn't have expected that
this mf on his way to make a vid of 1 "proof" that got disproven in 20 minutes
Me when the devil vortex saws already provided evidence to this /hj
Underrated hope you blow up
Thank you so much!
@@SynteeGD will u remember me if u get famous
This is too high quality for a 800 sub ytber, you have earned my sub
thank you for the support, and thanks for subbing:)
2:04 Bro I thought anyone with a braincell can figure this whole thing out. So you're telling me that no one noticed the particles are off when he goes through portals and pads, which can be exploited to make some parts auto
this is fucking awesome. ur so underrated man. keep it up!
why is this still brought up, it's been like 6 years and the level is not even challenging anymore (for decent players)
so much drama over a mid level
Dude i thought his name was “Josh deluxe” this whole time 😭
Solid video💪🔥
Thanks man:)
damn i never knew such particles existed
Good video you earned a sub buddy
Thank you very much!
Tosh was always like the OJ Simpson of the gd community lmao
consider subscribing! thank you!
done did
also at around 2:50, you can see that twice he perfectly misses the ground like you did showing an example of blue pad wave
oh come on now everybody already knew that it was hacked for years
Exactly but we finally have some proof that he can't really deny
good vid bro keep it up 💪
Thanks man:)
Guys don’t give hate on toshdeluxe don’t hate on his channel don’t unsubscribe to him unless you really want to just don’t hate on him.
no, the particles aren't from pads, they are because tosh slided in that part, now i'm not expert so i think that you CAN slide there so this evidence is fake, the wave spam is more of an actual evidence (also, how could there be particles if tosh used ldm to not show them)
That's the thing, they shouldn't show up in LDM but they did somehow. But if the particles aren't from pads then yes, this evidence isn't exactly valid you're right.
@@SynteeGD then is there a chance that the video was splitted and nobody noticed for 6 years? maybe the footage was from 2 different days and he forgot to put ldm on the second part because that part was done legit?
A good old case of confirmation biased, gd list mods are the worst.
same thing at 2: 50 at 69 percent after he goes up with the wave for the third time
there was no question to begin with it was so obvious
0:08 *Vsauce music kicks in*
I mean the first wave is the same in all the attempts soooooooo... Yeah he hacked it.
also isnt there like that 'structure'?(edit:(Not really)
In his 2nd complete he beat it with autoclicker, he beat it in 3 or so parts, way he did it is simple autoclick recorded click he did in practice mod so only thing he needed to do is beat one part put checkpoint and beat the level, after he needed to cut only his audio recording.
Is there evidence for this?
Oh yea, its really easy to spot that sync of click randomly change (delay) and i spoted it 2 times which means he beat it in at least 3 parts
If anything, that particle thing proves Tosh right... The only way to get those particles is if there's NOT a jump/gravity pad. I'm not saying Tosh didn't hacked the level, but this is not a piece of evidence at all
Actually wrong , this particle is inconsistent with the gravity that tosh should be in at this part
In the vid he mentioned those particles don't appear on anyone else's playthrough. Therefore it's inconsistent and would show that he is hacking
by the way i love his impossible level showcases
IMO, I doubt he'll care. its been ~6 years and he's clearly quit youtube and onto greener pastures. Being banned from the demon list is a whatever.
WHAT? how do you not have 20k subs bro
Just getting started! Maybe I'll get there one day
i mean in one of his videos on the level he did do pixel perfect spam soooo.
underrated youtuber in my opinion
I still like Tosh ❤
He's skilled enough to beat demons harder than Devil Vortex for sure lol
Wow I just say u go up almost 200 in like 1 day
hold up, you had 4 subs yesterday
Yeah idk what's going on to be honest
Off topic, your voice sounds like asmr
That would make sunix the verifier
Ugh. I’m confused why people care so damn much. It was beaten by multiple people already. Who cares? This shouldn’t be a thing still.
Really good for first vid lol
My first video looks like absolute ass
Thank you man:) And your vids are fire in my opinion
this guy is underreated
I appreciate it, hope you enjoyed!
bro is better than spaceuk to hide his cheating
Curious but who cares at this point there’s like a million victors 😴
True lol, but at least we have an answer after all that time
1:29 LOL
yo you shoud make a discord
If you mean a server then I haven't really been into discord like that but I'll def consider this!
@@SynteeGD yeah a server
So glad he wasn't one of the players who disabled ground touching particles, or this would probably really never have ended.
didn't know you could even do that, but yeah very true
I think he hacked level because he's good at making semi auto levels lol 😅
never understood why people hate tosh deluxe but eh
had a lot to do with his content, and attitude towards people that called him out for it
he wont respond probably