“MODERN POP-PUNK IS GENERIC”
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- Is modern pop-punk generic? Are new pop-punk bands and artists like Machine Gun Kelly, Kennyhoopla, Lil Lotus, nothing.nowhere, Sueco and more just a nostalgic throwback to Blink-182 and Sum-41? Or is modern pop-punk something new and fresh?
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Finn Mckenty your a a 3 something year old man talking trash about pop-punk because it’s too generic, and a lot of the bands all sound the same. Well, let me tell you; I guarantee everyone would’ve did the same thing about the genre in the 2000s. And I would say it’s a lie that teens aren’t into guitar music, I’m 18 years old and it never left me. I had some friends that were into guitar music, and there’s this new wave of young artists that are into it. So, a lot of these songs with heavy guitar distortion and stuff is still happening because it resonates with young people today. And I think it should be up to the artist on what kind of music they want to put out. I think artists should put out music that sounds organic to them, even if it is generic. You know Pierre Bouvier from Simple Plan said how in the 2000s know one liked the term pop-punk, you were either punk or you weren’t, but Simple Plan knew what they were doing and knew that this/their type of music would stand the test of time, because in the end it’s not just about the musical sound, it’s also about the lyrical themes, like if I’m angry or or depressed then of course I’m gonna listen to a song with deep meaning and with angsty vocals, and if I’m in a happy mood I might listen to the same thing but the lyrics might have a different meaning to me. So, I think the answer to the question of modern pop-punk being too nostalgic or generic of 2000s is no, cuz pop-punk has always been generic and nostalgic, and this formula has always worked. So, I don’t know why you’re talking shit on this music, because you’re a fully grown man, you’re not in you’re not a teenager, and you’re not in your 20s, so, I think you should think twice before you open your mouth
Honestly I feel like the current trend is cashing on nostalgia for people that didnt live said cultural phenomenon in the first place. A lot of pop-punk revival listeners are kids who were born after that genre declined. Nothing wrong with that tho, everybody deserves a chance to live it and all trends are cyclic! Pop punk's still not for me tho, but I'm seeing the same thing with nu metal.
"I should have been born in year xxxx man", lol trying to catch those folks
I work with a lot of teens that are into the whole tiktok pop punk stuff. I played some New Found Glory at work one night and they were like “oh shit I love this”. When I told them it was from like 2002 or somewhere around there, they were shocked. Now they’re asking me about so many bands I grew up with just from one song. This pop punk revival is getting younger into the best of the genre so fuck it, if someone gets into bands like NFG because of MGK, I’m a happy old boy. Also a lot of the modern pop punk is actually really good, I can’t stop listening to Melrose Park and Like Pacific.
Yeah. Similar to the 80s revival in pop culture over the past few years.
My generation did the same with the whole garage band revival in the 2000s. We love nostalgia.
Came here to say the same thing (^^^^) then saw your comment...I don't think everyone revitalizing the PP genre, just don't act like you were a part of it....
@@treygregory7929 I vividly remember how 2000's things were considered cringe in the early 2010's, when the cool thing was to be a 90's kid. It's just natural tbh. Stoked for djent becoming a thing again in 2030 lol
I love Nothing Nowhere the most simply because he never stuck to a single genre. He’s done emo, acoustic, emo rap, pop punk, metalcore inspired song, and even mixed 80s sounding rock with Nightmare. It’s amazing how talented the guy is. I’ve been a fan since I was 16 and ima be honest I went through an emo rap phase at that time but he expanded my horizons of genres. Currently 21 and I’m still a huge fan. Got to see him live last year and it was amazing. He’s the only artist I’m getting a tattoo of. Not one song I hate from him at all.
I feel like the only band/musician that genuinely stuck to their originality was Citizen. I had to accept and adjust to their new sound every album haha. I don't even know what to label them anymore. As one of my favourite bands, I feel like Citizen always remained genuine, and of course, always perfect.
Citizen are fantastic and I love listening to their discog coz it's all so different but I gotta say, they've always gotten better and Glass World is an incredible CD
Nothing,Nowhere is carrying the emo rap genre at this point and no one can tell me otherwise. Dude is an inspiration. His take on modern pop punk felt natural. Jake Hill did a few songs last year that sound like 2015 Neck Deep that are really good too
I think Sueco has incredible talent. His hooks are incredible. Being able to write intelligently AND keep writing hooks like his most recent song Next Ex, which I already can't get out of my head isn't something that happens a lot. That kid has real potential.
One of the things I loved about the early 2010's is that it was a time of innovation in pop punk, it felt like every band had its own niche while still kicking ass in pop punk, The Story So Far were a more hardcore take on pop punk, Transit was indie rock meeting pop punk, Moose Blood and Real Friends were the Midwest Emo of pop punk, The Wonder Years brought in Singer-songwriter elements to the genre from artists like the Mountain Goats, ADTR brought metalcore to pop punk, The Swellers had this punk rock- alt rock-pop punk sound that you see developed to bands like PUP today, even man overboard while generic had a very distinct sound and feel to them, and I dont think any of those bands are really that inaccessible for the general pop punk fanbase, you can be original in this genre, you dont have to rehash stuff from 2003, it gets stale.
Yeah, I mean like of course bands are influenced by others but all of those are unique in their own way. Bands like The Story So Far, Knuckle Puck and Real Friends all had a similar style (Pop Punk with Hardcore Influence and an emo vibe , with shouting vocals) but you can clearly tell the difference. Same as many Easycore Bands (CNCC, City Lights, Settle your Scores) but I will admit that many of the bands sounds like a FYS copycat.
upvote solely for mentioning The Swellers. What a great band
I’ll never be upset with more music that makes me happy. These songs bring me so much joy and I’ll always be grateful for this era in music, even if it’s nostalgia based.
I think a lot of modern pop punk is over produced in such a way that it all sounds the same to me. Only new stuff that I've really been digging is PUP & Jeff Rosenstock. Seems like their recordings maintain a lot of raw & imperfect qualities that are more my preference when it comes to pop punk.
Thank u I tried saying this in another one of finns videos u definitely have described it a lot better then I did I think a big problem for me is that alot of punk pop bands would stand out vocally and in chords and rythm I think I said mgk and mod sun I'm happy they are doing punk pop but they both sounded so much the same whilst I could tell the difference between blink and sum
Anyway one of my replies was to listen to hot mulligan I would totally recommend the band vocally a lot like sum 41 but a little bit heavier whilst keeping the blink melody in a way definitely worth a listen when u get the chance definitely was something I was kraving for music wise
@@slapbass8723 I'll have to check them out. Thanks for the recommendation!
@@ljtinney no problem I will just give u a heads up lyrically the songs are quite darker then 2000s punk pop songs but is amazing music video wise quite amusing like your blink songs especially the new song they released called drink milk and run , and equip sunglasses
I mean Wilmette, In Her Own Words, Between Me & You, & a bunch of other stuff are pretty good still. Check out their popular songs
@Zeroexpgamer yeah I sometimes confuse fidler and pup
for me personally, it's not that I don't want change or innovation from new bands bc I absolutely do-- it's more so that a lot of the "innovation" you see is just the same emo/pop punk/trap hybrid. Which like right on, I don't hate it but I think bands feel like it's either that or nostalgia, 2000s vibes when that's not the case at all. there are still so many other ways bands could be innovative and play with new sounds and other genres at this point.
nothing nowhere is one of my favourites can’t lie, something hits different about his music compared to the others in the genre
As it was said in the video, emotional connection is important, and Joe is a magician when it comes to making you emotionally connected to his songs. And the One Take format makes it even stronger
isn't kenny hoopla innovative?i think he is a very innovative. he has a lot of '80's new wave, rap and indie rock influences while still playing pop punk. his music is very unique, not at all like other pop punk artists
I agree here. Finn has picked "Estella" which is really not innovative by any means. But Kenny has better songs.
frrr
Kenny is definitely innovative but the Survivors Guilt EP isn't the best display of his originality. And that's okay, Kenny said that EP was meant as a homage to pop punk music. Not necessarily meant to be original
He can’t actually sing or perform live at all tho. He’s pretty terrible although I legitimately like his recorded music I can’t help but feel like he’s a fake
Those really are trash combinations of music to put together
Same thing happens with metalcore. The most popular bands try to sound like Linkin Park, Breaking Benjamin, Slipknot and Rammstein. On the flip side, there are still bands that stay true to their sound and they keep evolving with new material that is more catchy with incredible harmonies. At the end of the day, you can listen whatever you want.
It’s gonna be a no from me dawg. These mainstream bands are not pop punk to me.
Pop punk is very much alive and thriving. Movements, Capstan and Chief State are a few great pop punk bands currently killing it.
Exactly. Just get involved in your local scene.
Can’t mention current pop punk with mentioning like pacific
Im glad pop punk has came back BUT it feels fake. The songs are mediocre. I grew up in the 90s and early 2000s i fell in love with bands like greenday, blink 182, sum 41, Avril lavigne, good charlotte, my chemical romance. All the songs were hit punk songs. But now its very dull and cheesy. I was excited for Avril Lavigne's new pop punk album because she is my all time favorite artists and when i listened to it the songs were so mediocre. Every song sounded like a barbie doll commercial i was so disappointed😭
Bands like Belmont are evolved Pop Punk with Breakdowns and 8 String Guitars and complex Riffs
Great band, but as far as I know they only use 6 strings but in Drop C# tuning - they don’t need 7 or 8 strings to be heavy
@@IOxyrinchus yeah maybe im confusing them with aim high, also a great band
They sound like Midwest sadi bois for mixed up with some Midwest mathy bois!
@@DigitalBath306 ayyyyyy the boys, they're super underrated.
What do you think of new Rock hat doesn't suck such as The Linda Lindas or Amyl and the Sniffers?
FINN, an idea for a video, trap is slowly fading away, what you think will be next in pop music in general? I believe the sounds of M.I.A., Buraka Som Sistema, Branko, Diplo, tribal/ethnic beats and favela music will be the next big thing in music.
13:26 "I'm just a teenage dirtbag baby."
Pop punk has always been generic lol.
i’d say formulaic
It's my favorite genre, but it's true. It's breakups, friends, unrequited love, hating your hometown. That's what it's always been. I love it.
@@happycompyit depends what pop punk band it is like new found glory or a day to remember, though skate punk and emo/scene bands typically sound way better then most pop punk
There is a new post punk movement going on right now in the U.K and all the bands sound different and interesting and innovative. Being original is still very respectable and wanted!
Agreed I love it!
and it's BIG, Yard Act got a number 2 album
The UK post punk scene is some of the best and most original music in years. Squid, Shame and Dry Cleaning to name but a few. There are some good US bands in the mix too like Bodega and Protomartyr.
The UK post punk scene is killer!
@@numapompiilius You’re not wrong there, especially when you have Fat White Family and Madonnatron..
as a 30 year old who grew up in the pop punk era, it bothers me when I hear one of these "new" artists and everything sounds recycled. For me personally, originality matters. Even though some of the bands from our idea had a similar sound, most the best ones had a distinct sound. When you heard Sum41, The Used, Taking Back Sunday, New Found Glory, etc, you knew exactly who it was. Everything today has no unique sound to them.
Facts
Real pop punk emo
Totally agree 👍
the amount of acts not doing anything creative and sounding like blink 182 meshed with trap music is rlly boring. More interesting acts need to gain attention that are more creative, draw more from different influences, more stripped back and maybe are more influenced by 2004 - 09 or 1994 - 97 stuff
Aside maybe from vocals, I can't tell those TRL era bands apart. IMO early 90s pop/skate was the last time punk sounded good and original, Lagwagon, Nofx, Strung Out, not to mention those real boomer ones like All and Screeching Weasel.
I find that I MISS 2003 singing about All time low in 2021 is just 1985 by Bowling for Soup singing about Nirvana in a new wrapping. As humans we will always have a soft spot for the good times we experienced, and music that takes us back there is gonna hit home.
That being said, I can definetly hear that the genre has evolved. Some things feel cool and nostalgic, but in the next verse it feels new and different.
@Madden 07 Soundtrack Fan Account [Kendrick AOTY] 1985 was done by SR-71. blew my mind when i found out bowling for soup covered it.
I like a lot of the lookout records bands that came out pre 1997 now old school pop punk is early 2000s?! Somebody help me 🤦
im 40 so its more clear, what the deal is, is the people who grew up on pop punk have careers now and thus can easily afford to buy new albums, merch go to shows but since work narrows alot of your time in a given day the search for new stuff mostly falls apart or nets 1 maybe 2 new things, but obviously hearing something "new" but that hits that nostalgia button will garner more attention because you can say hey have your heard this new band, but you can still feel safe enough that you branched out a tiny bit but still know what your getting.
Honestly I wish Kenny hoopla was bigger then mgk, he deserves it way more
100% agree
If Kenny deserves it more then he would be up there
Kenny got shot some good songs.
“Yeah he deserves more because , just because i dont like mgk”
Hasn't mgk put out way more albums than Kenny? Not saying keeny doesn't deserve it more but he should put out more shit
16:56 There is a punk-punk revival happening at the moment; Idles, Black Country New Road, Shame, Black Midi ,Fontaines D.C.
Some call it the post - Brexit music scene. I think this scene is overall better and needs more recognition than the pop punk revival.
Squid are great too.
A part of me is happy that pop punk is breaking into the mainstream again but I've had a lot of trouble attempting to get into the newer stuff. A lot of it sounds the same to me: rudimentary chord progressions, Travis Barker style drums, and over-processed talk-singing within a limited vocal range. Most of it seems directly inspired by Blink-182, which granted I was a never a fan of and they weren't known for their vocal or musical complexity per se. The electronic production and rap influence in recent pop-punk is certainly fresh, but often lacks the qualities I look for in this type of music. I just wish we could have more new artists akin to MCR that maintained the pop-punk/emo rock sound while being more ambitious, having strong musicianship, and powerful vocals with harmonies.
the mcr approach is what i'm working to, not enough of that flavour in alternative music rn. i am also shameless
I think the MCR approach just requires more knowledge in songwriting and instrument ability. I love of lot of older pop punk but a ton of it is super basic and easy to copy
I’m tired of the electronic and rap influences because everybody uses it now. It’s sooooo bland and boring.
Lil peep would have progressed sad boy rap with pop punk influences SO MUUUUCH more if he had the chance. I’m not giving up on that sound though. I know someone will pick it up where he left off.
Finn is always young at heart, defending "questionable" lyrics is new music
PUP does a version of pop punk that is pretty bad ass. I think originality does have merit, but it's hard to pull off like you said, keeping it listenable.
Hey Finn, I'm a very big fan of your content and you've proven to be the most competent at what you do. I have one and only one suggestion: Consider Molchat Doma and Dragon Rapid whenever you say, "We don't need post-punk revival, revival." After you listen to these two bands, you may alter your opinion, maybe? I would love to see you create a video about new post punk revival, revival bands. Cheers!
Thank you!
Whenever someone says this I introduce them to Belmont, Capstan, Youth Fountain and Trash Boat, all modern pop punk bands with a unique sound
with respect, I think the only reason you might find their sound unique is because you’re so far down the pop punk rabbit hole that you can appreciate the subtle differences. They’re not too unique sounding outside of pop punk. They’re just mid pop punk bands
@@hamm8934 With respect, I think you’re right but also it’s just a matter of how far you zoom out. I use to think new found glory and blink sounded the same until I got into pop punk more. That’s just how it works.
@@VenomSp3roc I agree, it’s just a matter of construal
Thanks Finn! Just added a bunch of new songs to my playlist! That DeWayne song is fucking DOPE!!! And this is coming from an old Millennial.
That De’Wayne song was MSI af. I can’t be the only one to hear it.
Demi Lovato’s upcoming album definitely seems like it’s gonna be very true to the 2000s sound (see the new single “SUBSTANCE”) but I honestly kinda love it??? I feel like that single is probably the best attempt I’ve heard of recapturing that sound, probably because her voice has powerful energy and fits the genre *perfectly* (unlike MGK, as you’ve mentioned in the past). However, there’s apparently going to be at least one metal song? and a few strong pop/rock tunes & power ballads on it. I’m personally looking forward to it, as they’re essentially just going back to the sound of her first two albums.
You are right about us fans wanting something familiar though lol. When I first listened to “Substance” I felt so happy because it totally brought me back to that era. Idk if there’s necessarily anything “wrong” with that because it’s simply making people feel good inside and that’s not unwelcome to me tbh. Yes, it’d be nice for artists to be more innovative for sure, but I think it’s okay for some of them to capitalize on the older sound as long as it feels authentic and sounds alive. It’s also interesting that a straight up old sound could potentially be mainstream/popular again with people other than millennials, kids who weren’t around for the first wave. While it’s not new to us, it could be new for them. I don’t know.
Demi is just so fucking good
Idk Avril perfectly brought back her early 2000s sound.
I caught Substance for the first time on a TH-cam ad and watched the whole damn thing! It was SO good. I’m excited for the rest and hope they keep going more alternative.
Nita Strauss just joined Demi's backing band, so I'm hoping she lets Nita get a good solo in there
Hey. You should check out the band Vices Inc. They're from Maine. They are doing very well for themselves on Spotify. They released a Pop Punk album a couple of months ago!
People really gotta dig deep to find interesting new punk music. Like I’m into Ho9909, The Armed, Idles, and Turnstile. Touché Amore is pretty slept on as well. They all are way more interesting than basic pop punk
great bands. couldn't agree more.
I feel like their are a few bands with original sound in these "repetitive genres" that are relatively popular with original sound. For example Belmont, Spiritbox (new EP), Shadow of Intent
*there
Demi's SUBSTANCE was literally the add that came up for this video💃
I wish you brought up neck deep or Waterparks. I feel like those 2 kind of put their own twist on the old sound to keep it fresher.
Kenny Hoopla linking with travis barker is both the best and worst thing for him, at least in my opinion. His first EP, he had a more distinct sound, maybe not the most original, but it didn't feel very trend chasing? This new straight forward pop punk sound is getting him the numbers, but I can't say I'm not sad he didn't move in his original direction more. I like the travis barker mixtape he did, but I feel like he's just gonna get swallowed up in the wave now.
It really is. Greenday, Blink 182, Sum 41, etc. Were bands that definitely didn't sound as punk punk but rather pop punk, but had their own sound and regardless of if you liked them or not, they were original and did their own thing.
But most bands after that the whole pop punk scene became a blueprint copied by every single band that came after a certain point.
But to be fair, this is happening all across rock and metal music. Doesn't mean there are not great bands (The Chats is my latest discovery and I love them so much).
I’d love to see a cross between Blink 182 and The Smiths, or pop punk meets goth/death rock, maybe a latter day Gun Club or something like that.
i think stand atlantic and waterparks makes pop punk sound a bit fresher
*Adds 808s and auto tune *
Wow this is fresh and innovative
It was in 2015 for sure
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA yeah not so much anymore. I Think some of that fell off due to lil peep passing.
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA that was 7 years ago. Now I wish trap and auto-tune would just die off, and Drake and all his clones would all stop being popular.
Yeah, but what does 'innovative' really mean? That should be the question to answer.
I honestly don't think there was anything truly innovative in a long time. Nowadays everything that's not some obscure underground music just sounds like stripped down 80s or 90s music in a new coat (meaning, uses modern sounds).
The new pop punk feels so forced.The late 90s early 2000 felt so much more natural.
2010s never gets any love.
Most of the emo rap.stuff died because half of the biggest names in the genre literally died
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Bro. I'm 35 and find newer artists I like all the time lol. I've always had an insatiable appetite for new music. There's stuff that I feel "too old" to get, but there's a lot that's great to me.
Bandcamp is great for discovering new music. Always finding something new on there.
Is it generic? Yes, does that bother me? Not really. Pop Punk is Pop Punk. But that's just me
With nothing nowhere, he has a song called hammer that is really good and point north covered it. I originally thought point was the band that wrote the song till I saw I had it on my phone under nothing,nowhere and never realized it was the same song cause they sound totally different
I love that cover
one of my favorite things about pieces of you is how happy it is compared to earlier nothing nowhere songs and how much it mirrored my journey in that when it was released and even now im arguably in the best mental space ive been in in a while whereas in 2018 when ruiner was released and songs like rejector were on it or the one off single dread he talks about wanitng to kill himself in those songs and i also was in a very similar mental space at the time so what i appreciate is not only has the mood of his songs just matched my journey and progress but you can tell hes made progress too and i love that for him i love it when an artist i fell in love with because i connected with their lyrics about not wanting to live releases something new and its more joyful and not about wanting to die because i stan progress
Well said, my thoughts exactly
Call me an old man with my boomer take, but honestly all of these songs sucked. Pop punk with trap beats just doesn’t hit right. At the very least, the use of them should be tasteful instead of completely replacing a drummer. Pop punk itself is kind of a one dimensional genre, so innovation is certainly needed and appreciated, but trap beats and 808s just are not it
facts
Exactly.
honestly pop punk with trap beats is the most generic and awful forms of creativity I've ever seen to the point I'd rather listen to Blink copycats.
facts man
Somebody gotta replace Juice wrld, or that’s what I feel people are doing
Heart Attack Man feels refreshing in a great way
And they’re awesome live
Sueco is definitely my favourite "modern pop-punk" artist. I think it´s a really cool idea to bring all those rap and hip-hop influences to the table and thereby add something new to pop-punk.
Hell yeah... me too
His pop-punk album was amazing (and didn't sound "exactly" like the 2000s)
I mean, Zebrahead and Beastie Boys had already been doing the hip hop edge for years before everybody started doing it. I’m honestly tired of punk with trap influences. It’s so bland and boring.
6:40 Bloc Party core finally happened holy shit haha I liked it
5:54 has that Bloc Party dance punk feel, if it sounded like I See Stars or something…
Not to promote myself, but we released a few pop-punk songs. I don't think they copy the sound of the 2000s at all, but I might be wrong. If so, let us know. I feel like it's alot of cool new pop-punk and punkrock music, it's just freaking hard to find.
Estella reminds me so much of Independence Day by 5 Seconds of Summer.
I just wanna say I've had the neon cartoon monster shirt in royal purple for over a year now, and it's still in great condition despite wearing the FUCK out of it. Easily one of my favorite shirts I own!
If people don't want the new original stuff, maybe it's because it's simply not good. I know you like it Finn and I respect your opinion. But if the music was good, people would listen.
Finn, this video is so good. I am a 35 year old boomer. You hit the nail on the head of what new music I find myself gravitating toward - No Pressure, Kenny Hoopla, etc. They sound like New Found Glory and I fucking love NFG. However, when I challenge myself to stretch my taste, I've found the stuff (some of which you mention in the video) like Underscores, Glaive, Lil Lotus, and Belmont to be more rewarding listening since it's not the same comfort food I still love.
The newer pop punk stuff is giving me the chance to teach my daughter about the better pop punk(sum 41, nfg, simple plan)
Are you being sarcastic?
Yeah, the real pop punk
my favorite modern punk band is pup they are kinda both pop punk and noise rock
amazing is how i would describe modern pop punk. it's amazing how something so derived could become even more derivative. it's like a snake eating its own tail amd shitting out a shit snake tail.
I love Lil Lotus’ old stuff and that music from a few years ago. Kinda miss it. 🥲
Nothing.nowhere, sueco, hoopla, lotus, play all day in my player. Great music. Great video!
If you look back at the last say 7-8 years, I'd say largely there was no "style". What I mean by that is, every decade kind of had its own thing and it always takes a few years after that decade ended for people to look back and identify what type of era that was culturally (music, fashion, tv, movies etc).
Well, the problem from I'd say about 2015ish to now is that everyone is trying to go back to 30+ years ago. The 80's made a renaissance and now for the last 3-4 years it's the 90's. So in a few years when we all look back at this decade it's going to be considered the lost generation as there was nothing original or organic that came about other than the fierce need for everything to be nostalgic.
Blame social media. It always comes back to social media. We've lost the ability to produce anything of substance because everything is based off of short term results. Nostalgia is HUGE because of this. People hate how the world has become and so of course looking back to the times pre social media fills our souls because there's nothing to do that in the present. Hinging off of that, there's no real solution. The social media problem is bigger than any one individual and unfortunately has dug its claws deep into the worlds psyche. We're all lost.
Damn.
I am surprised no one have mentionned Ocean Grove yet... their last 2 albums are excellent, especially Flip Phone Fantasy. They deserve way more recognition outside australia
I’d love to hear your opinion on our band Godverdomme Dom (Dutch for Goddamn Dumb). We’re not really established but trying to keep it weird and fun
It feels as if the genre now has become a parody of itself, in my eyes.
Yup lol happens once any wave of music is made by people that are a fans of the new wave and not the ones that synthesized the wave from other genres. The new people don’t have the breathe of ability to be innovative just remake what already exists.
Your right😂
@FinnMckenty (13:28) - the band: (Nothing Nowhere) "Pieces of You", perhaps it's just me; but the chorus/rhythm always reminds me of Wheatus "Teenage Dirtbag". Maybe it was intentional or maybe it wasn't, or perhaps it's just me haha. Regardless I dig it but that rhythm/vocal/lyrical melody, for the chorus at least just reminds me of that jam. I dig them both, but does Green M&M...?!?!?- That's what really matters at the end of the day man.
Wicca phase did a song with rapper Sadistik and that song is a straight up banger. Their styles really meshed on that one
I haven't watched a ton of your newer videos tbh but this one caught my eye immediately. You're 100% right. A lot of these artists are living in the past. From the chorus, to the riffs, to the style. The reason why this is a problem is that none of it really feels 'new.' It doesn't evoke the same energy I got from, say, the sadboi pop-punk style of the mid early-mid 2010s, THAT sounded new, original, and completely its own. I don't believe the style we see today will stand the test of time.
The sadboi era was something original and had added a ton of energy for the genre, not gonna lie. You’re correct.
Yeah I’m one of those people who prefers nostalgic music to new stuff my favourite bands are the ones I grew up with
Saw underscores and 100 gecs in concert, FIRE show 🔥🔥
I miss 2003 by As It Is is an absolute BANGER
I've noticed it too in some pop punk bands. There's some bands like Magnolia Park that are pushing the envelope and coming up with a new sound with songs like Reaper and Feel Something. But yeah, there's some other songs that are nostalgia based like Mark Hoppus by 408 featuring Magnolia Park and Kellin Quinn.
I'd throw bands like Cherie Amour and Nightlife in with them too
Magnolia Park was great on their first ep.
For me the nostalgia isn't even there. It sounds nothing like 2000s pop punk to me
Yeah it’s nothing like it.
I'll just continue listening to "older" pop punk bands. I fine with listening that stuff. Pop punk has been my #1 most listened to Spotify genre every year since 2014 and I feel like I still haven't scratched the surface of what's out there. I just discovered The Wonder Years last year and they have skyrocketed to my top 5 bands. So if anyone out there doesn't like the new school of pop punk then just try and discover some "old" stuff. I don't understand people hating on the new pop punk sound. The old stuff hasn't disappeared. You can still listen to it and ignore every new release. Enjoy the music you like and who care if new bands a releasing shit you don't. But people should listen to Brave Faces Everyone by Spanish Love Songs.
I feel like Stand Atlantic is pushing the genre forward pretty well, idk if I can say that for other artists though
Stand Atlantic, In Her Own Words and Yours Truly for sure.
gotta agree what happened?
like dude i remember rocking the Maine,the morning light,sr-71 and so many more bands with their own style
but now its all the same
It's heavily nostalgia based but I feel a lot of groups add the trap modern pop elements to it like as it is that you mentioned , 408, and Magnolia Park. Also I agree big time about your take on originality , as long as something is good fhafs all that matters as long as it has good songwriting and a timeless value, nostalgia works because the sound was big to begin with and done at the top of the game will always be good!
I feel like adding the trap elements is just going to date the music even more. Trap is just so generically boring.
Thank you! We try to add in EDM and trap elements as well. Very excited to drop our new album and show the range of where we are trying to push the genre. 🤘🏼
@@408music excited to hear it all the singles are bangers so far 🤘🔥
*I mean no shade/hate by saying this*
Leave it to Finn to take a topic like “is modern pop punk generic?” and turn it into a conversation around trap emo/pop-punk and metal, with an obligatory Jaris Johnson mention 😂 I always enjoy these convos fr.
This topic is interesting tho and your takes are spot on imo. I personally recoil at acts like Sueco and Jaris Johnson, more related to the whole hypebeast/gothboi aesthetic and fetishizing mental health issues. That said, all of my favorite bands from the times that these sounds are influenced by did just that so I can’t really knock the hustle that these zoomers are engaging in.
What perplexes me the most about modern pop punk and other sub genres related to it, is the high fashion x hypebeast x cocky fuckboy who is sad about a girl/boy breaking up with them thing. The greasy colorful hair in a generic dad hat with some micro logo on it while throwing up limp devil horns 🤘/🤟 is so cringe and exhausting. Call me a boomer but I’m just like wtf is this?? Pop punk has never been about high fashion and that culture, in and of itself, is so dystopian to me that I can’t vibe with these guys. Seeing the two worlds collide is a bit disappointing for me, personally. High fashionistas with their frumpy Balenziaga hoodies, Gucci joggers and fresh Nikes are a plight on this earth imo. Keep feeding into that capitalist machine and further perpetuate this hellish existence tho. 🥴
You doing ok?
I feel you, dude. And I’m only 21.
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA man I really am not coming after you with this comment, I promise. I sub to your patreon and even said in this comment I agree with your takes on this stuff. I just have strong opinions like everyone else. I’ll refrain from commenting moving forward.
@@quentinbringthenumetalchil5125 strange times we live in young blood. Strange times, indeed
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA Dude's reaching but not for the sky it seems lmao
We need more Fall Out Boy influenced artists and less Blink-182 influenced artists
This is true. Pete Wentz was writing straight up poetry for their lyrics and Patrick was always a stand-out vocalist who brought some R&B flavor to the genre and helped write some musically interesting stuff in comparison to their peers at the time.
Why not bring back Easycore??? If people are getting sick of pop punk, then pop punk with breakdowns should be the next step to be different and stand out.
the term 'generi'c tends to get thrown out by two kinds of people - 1) people who don't like a genre, don't really listen to it, who thinks virtually all bands in that genre sound more or less the same, and 2) people who listen to an absolutely ton of music from that genre, significantly more than most, for whom something being a bit unusual is consequently much more important to them than it is to most.
The word 'generic' literally means 'within a genre'.
I have no problem admitting I’m a “30 year old boomer” that LOATHES MGK, but my biggest gripe with him is that he has no vocal range or interesting guitar riffs. Kennyhoopla, Nothing Nowhere, Magnolia Park, Stand Atlantic etc are all bands that sound super 2000s but still fresh with their songs. It’s not so much that I don’t like new stuff, it’s just that I don’t like new stuff that sounds like it had no effort put into it.
same I like some of mgk but the second album was soooo boring simply bc mgk’s voice has no range. It gets boring after the fourth song sounding exactly the same as the last, and the guitar riffs not being too different from the last. , Belmont and other modern emo rappers & bands do more and experiment a lot more with their sound. Heck yungblud always does something different
Regarding your comments at the end about 'you can only do pop punk or nu metal to be liked' i think that depends on your geography. That might be true for the US, but you have said previously its always different in Europe. Also, I live in Australia and the rock genre is currently revolving more around 'Surf Rock'. Thats what everyone is into here. This includes bands like Skegss, Hockey Dad, The Chats, Spacey Jane and so on. 5 Years ago in Aus it was all about grunge and stoner rock bands like Violent Soho, Dune Rats, The Smith Street Band and so on were charging. Also Reggae rock went thru a big wave recently too with Sticky Fingers and Ocean Alley. The pop punk MGK style stuff has never really taken off here, maybe the nu metal stuff to a degree with there being a lot of BMTH fans in Aus.
Whenever I think of the emo rap wave, I think 'Lil Peep and the others'.. It wasn't my thing necessarily but if Lil Peep was given more time I genuinely think he could've reached innovative levels of say, Kanye, Kid Cudi, Kendrick and to where Mac Miller was heading before he passed too. Peep was incredibly gifted and it sucks what happened, sure objectively there were other good artists in that scene but time showed that none of them were able to take it to that next level. I don't think it's necessarily a matter of zoomers not favouring guitar-driven music, I think because most of them didn't grow up predominantly with pop-punk/rock they favour artists that blend different styles together, I imagine a lot of rock nowadays probably bores them because it's just rock...
X was one of best in the emo rap scene was changing the scene but changed everything when he released ?
It's insane how he was really about to reach Cobain levels and break through the stratosphere. He was major, like an alternative Bieber or something. Boy band appeal but punk rock at heart and really vocally gifted. I think the industry would be totally different now if he had stayed around. RIP Peep!
Well what kind of music were Zoomers growing up with? Because I feel like pop punk (and rock in general) were still around when they got older. When did this shift happen?
@@mraaronhd pop-punk/rock has always been around, my sister was born in '03 so she definitely would've heard some in her early years but by the time she entered teens in the 2010's, music had changed massively and pop-punk/rock just wasn't anyway near as big and influential as the late 2000's, whereas for me I entered my teens in that period so the pop-punk/emo wave then had a big influence on me
I learned how to play guitar by watching the lead singer of As It Is when he was just doing covers on TH-cam! Love that band and I was stoked to see them get talked about on your channel !✌🏽💙🥰
I don’t play guitar. Or any instrument. But remaining sort of on topic with this video, I got into As It Is when they released The Great Depression where they were blatantly harkening back to the early 2000s emo/post-hardcore look and sound. Specifically what My Chemical Romance (one of my favourite bands) looked and sounded like with Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge.
"Much Music in 2022" - That took me back.
Are there people who are doing something interesting with pop punk, such as a cross between Blink 182 and The Smiths, or The Velvet Underground meets New Found Glory? What about people straddling the line between pop punk and post punk, mod revival/freakbeat/new wave or indie pop?
So funny you made a video about this right now, I was literally talking to a friend about this and how boring the whole genre has gotten. You should do a video on some artist's/bands that you think are doing something new/interesting. I've really been hoping to discover something new and interesting like back in 2015 with nothing,nowhere. and GBC, but it seems so impossible to find. Anyway, completely agree with most of your points here, just wish there was more interesting stuff out there!!
Shout outs to the dude who said “the most important thing about music is the emotional connection”. Forget about musical technicality, originality, commercial success etc. if the song moves you, thats the most important thing. At the end of the day, music is art and is entirely subjective.
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They like guitar music. My girlfriend works with kids and she’s gathered that most are listening to either rap like Joyner Lucas or newer pop punk.
“Hyper pop” is just indie pop and most of those fans already moved on to other stuff.
Yeah I love pop punk making return but it doesn't feel like most of the artist are trying to evolve the genre. Mgk being a prime example but I will say his track Drunk Face was the 1 time he evolved and pushed change into the genre.
I've certainly enjoyed the pop punk revival. It's been fun despite lacking originality. However, I'm also still over here hoping another band like NIN comes along and brings industrial back into the mainstream but with a fresh enough take for young people. Cause what's left of that scene is mostly legacy acts and a few people in their 30's that have bands that are only known within the scene cause they sound like the 90's/early 2000's.
Sadboi pop punk is still leading the pack, but even Neck Deep and The Wonder Years taking a step back… that being said - the EP that Real Friends put out this year keeps me hopeful that all those bands can keep it going
Wonder Years have a new album coming in September too. Sad Boi pop punk lives on and I continue to be here for all of it lol
@@FearTheTurle21 hope it’s solid… always here for it!!!
@@alexanderlove2363 They've released a few singles if you haven't heard them. They're pretty good. About what you'd expect from them these days, which I love. I do miss the days of their The Greatest Generation sound, but I do appreciate their maturation or whatever we wanna call it over the last couple albums. Probably my favorite band behind New Found Glory.
Spooky black feat Wicca phase- “Echoes in my mind” got me through 2018. I was going through a lot of transitions at that time, leaving San Diego to pursue nursing school in Chicago and that summer I would play echoes in my mind on repeat, it felt refreshing
Just wanna say that I'm 4 dozen and something years old and I totally enjoy this channel (WITHOUT saying "in 1977, we were listening to...") --- keep it up Finn, you're introducing me/us to new artists, which is NEVER bad
Am I the only 30 year old that loves the Old sound and New Stuff at the same time. I love the Trap Beats on Pop Punk songs now it does give a fresh feel to it while sounding nostalgic.
Its why I fell in love with Hyperpop because its so out there. while also sounding Oldschool with a new twist.
Na you ain't alone my dude lmao
@@XxxAshHazardxxX Aye I know you :D
Honestly, I feel like trap is so generic now that it’s just boring to listen to. It’s like the breakdown beat of rap- sounds cool in certain situations, but it’s just too overused. Same with hyper pop. It makes me think too much of Aqua and other European electro-pop groups from the 90’s that’s already kinda done all this.
I was the one who produced Never Get Away. It wasn't a sample, it was a guitar loop i recorded and pitched down. I have a video on my channel deconstructing the beat if anyone is interested
th-cam.com/video/tMtsaTnUbz8/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=5head
Great work man! Love that beat
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA Thank you! Love your content, been watching for quite some time.