Rosalie’s monologue makes me think that she was very excited to grow old, see her beauty fade, and still have someone love her. It must be devastating to be in eternal beauty and never have that confirmation that you are valued for something other than your beauty
As someone who watched the movies first, I never understood the like of Rosalie til this movie and suddenly understood her better than any of the other characters. 💯 why I wouldn’t want to be a vampire either lol
Rosalie a character that I love exploring because her story is the the conversation about consent. The line “I wish someone voted no for me,” is so deep because it highlighted the fact that Carlisle actually took something away from her right after her fiancé did by turning her into a vampire with the hopes of giving Edward a mate. Carlisle is painting as a good vampire but his motivations and decision making rarely comes from the interest of the individual
you make such good points!!! I cant believe i never made the connection that carlisle also did something without consent to rosalie so soon after her "fiance" and his buddies all sexually assaulted her. I remember watching these as a teen and hating her because she was so bitchy to me and i just feel so sorry for her now. She truly got so many things ripped from her without her consent and it breaks me. Your comment really got me thinking!
Carlisle is an interesting character because I feel his motivations are so unclear, they often seem very selfish in nature. I feel like the story would be more powerful if all of the Cullens had been turned independently and come together as a family by choice, rather than Carlisle turning these characters and then them feeling obligated to stay a part of the family. It’s like he feels the need to create “good” vampires even though this is such a traumatic experience for most of the characters who have been turned and I think Edward also would have rather died in his sickbed than be turned into a vampire, at least up until the point that Bella gives his unlife some meaning.
That is an excelent point, but I think it would more of a metaphore of a parent because the idea of creating a child - in his case, a vampire - îs inherently selfish: passing your genes in order to prezerve your genome. In this instance, it was his selfish wish to create a family by forcing vampires created by him to become part of it. That is the circle of life, unfortunately.
@@Schu0086 its a cult. he finds them in unfortunate circumstances, Edward in the Spanish flu, rosalie dying from her perpetrator (as I remember), the mother being sicj as well.. so of course they think their new chance is soley because of him and maybe that's true, but that doesn't mean they have to be family. They don't seem to leave. They ate totally uncritical about him, they all follow him blindly.
I think it makes sense that Rosalie would be offended that Edward didn’t care for her looks. She came from a time period where a woman’s looks were an essential part of her being picked to be married. In part marriage was something she wanted, but it was also socially expected. And if she couldn’t attract a man, she would’ve been seen as a failure of a woman.
@@NoelleTakestheSkyI’ve scrolled quite a bit and can’t find your comment, would you mind copy/pasting it here? I’m interested to know what your thoughts are.
But it's painted as her fault like she is the one being superficial. It's good old victim blaming. It's the patriarchy setting these standards, not women.
Let alone that in the books a whole reason she was turned was to be a MATE for Edward. So add her upbringing and then the whole factor of why she was turned, of course she was upset. She had to deal with being a vampire against her will and then the other person in a similar boat she was turned for tell her she wasn't good enough for him. Imagine living with someone like that
I love that youre commited to breaking these books down. Its like having a one side discussion with a friend. Most of my friends dont care for this seires.. book and movies. But they are my guilty pleasure 🤣
@@StephAnya here's a little rant about Jacob because i can't stop thinking about it after watching the video lol. i believe Jacob changed that drastically from the second book to this one because of his new pack's influece on him. By the end of the second book he was still confused as to what his new "role" in the pack was and if he HAD to become one of them and do and believe the same things just because he turned into a wolf, like he suddenly didn't have a choice anymore and i even remember he left his oldest friends in the world without saying or explaining anything to them and started hanging out with the pack. And after that new feeling of belonging to a group faded and the cullens came back he got soooo angry because he was feeling trapped and without the ability of making decisions and choices about any aspect of his life, and he used all that anger and fed his hatred towards the cullens just to put the "blame" on somebody, to make someone gulty that now the could even hide his thoughts from other people and was literally physically forced into doing what the alpha of the pack ordered and bella didn't want him and he even puts the blame on them that he became a wolf in the first place. So i think the was a loooot going on with Jacob that resulted into a personality change in this book and it had nothing to do with the author not wanting us to root for him and bella. i also believe wholeheartedly that he was trying that hard to "win" bella because he needed that victory in his life, that in the middle of all that was going on getting her would back up the hopes he had of still being worthy and human enough and part of the "good guys". i also think that he's struggling with thought that he won't even find "the one" and without the imprimation he won't find anyone willing to be with him now that his a wolf, and he sees that bella doesn't care and he thinks she's the only hope he has left. So getting her to be with him sooo much deepper than just loving her in my opinion. also honestly, none of the times i read the books i got any impression of a love triangle. Bella just saw an easier life with him, but i don't remember her ever telling him that he had a chance and every time he adamant that she was in love with him too but didnt know it (all that gaslighting made me sooo mad btw) she always turned him down. anyway im so glad someone is talking more in depth about this series! i just binged all the other videos, i cant wait for the next one hahaha thank you so much for making them!!
The kiss scene between Jacob and Bella before the battle is even worse than StephAnya described. Bella doesn't just kiss Jacob so he doesn't hate her for being engaged, Jacob actually threatens suicide by battle so she kisses him out of manipulative guilt to prevent him from dying. That's HELLA gross. 🤢🤮
I really wish there were videos like these when I was younger. I ended up finding an Edward and it’s eye opening knowing that I was obsessed with this series that glorified toxic relationships
This is SO important. Especially if we aren’t being taught and/or having conversations with our parents about what it means to be in a healthy partnership.
Did Jacob say something that was not ok? Absolutely. But Edwards actions were repeatedly not Ok and abusive…honestly Bella needed to be single for a while
@@terickastidbits2342nah idc, you can walk away from that 😅 if you’ve imprinted on a baby, then just accept that you’ll be lonely forever and at least won’t be a pedo
He both said and DID things that weren’t okay - aka kissing her w/o her consent (when she was very clear about not wanting it) which is sexual assault. And his “you know you want to be with me” speeches which is another red flag. Totally agree she’s better off single. Both men were trash in relationships
I think Meyer destroyed Jacob's character because she was trying to reach an originally planned end when her story had already changed directions. She first wrote the series as two books, giving the second one to her sister with no plans for it to ever see the light of day. (It wasn't YA friendly.) Then when Twilight was going to be published, she sat down to properly write an extended, YA friendly continuation. The problem is Jacob hijacked the story. This probably sounds really weird if you've never written before, but characters and interactions kind of have a mind of their own. I had this happen to me in a book where I had a throwaway side character and the main character started flirting, and then he ended up being a major plot point. It just happens. My guess is she wanted to use Jacob as the motorcycle plot device, and then they just had such chemistry. He's a sweet guy, and so he noticed the things like she didn't like music. And Bella was just comfortable and relaxed around him. It's why you can feel so strongly about Team Jacob in New Moon - he's the better option for her, because she's happier and a complete human when around him. The problem though is Meyer didn't want her to be with him, she had the end planned and was going to make it go that way no matter what. The only way to do that is to completely change Jacob's character to make him a different person. She had to shoe horn in the ending she wanted, and that's why it feels so out of character, because it had to be manipulated to get to that end.
I feel this so much, especially with the whole "baby sire imprinting thing", because no matter which way you look at it, it's WIERD. I feel like she didn't plan for him to be so tied to Bella but also didn't want him to be with anyone else. Because he had imprinted on Leah for example, he wouldn't be anywhere near Bella or the story. So she used the imprint baby thing, probably because he was so popular and fan reactions imo
I am LOVING this analysis! I never thought about what CAUSED Jacob’s change (even though I read the books as well) I always assumed that Jacob was hiding that side of himself, rather than seeing how he could’ve “changed” due to his heartbreak and disappointment
(Sorry for the mistakes I will make since I'm not an native english speaker). I don't know if it was really because he has hid this part of him. The analyze in the video makes a lot of sense. But I also think that an important aspect of his change is the fact that he has been part of the pack for a longer time. As it is said a few times in the books, the pack's members think in unison so they are more effective. He's mind has, in a way, been sort of corrupt or brainwash from Sam and the others (and the elders that have teach Sam everything). I found that Jacob in this book/movie sounds a lot like the internal monolgue of Billy that we have discover in Midnight sun. Just my two cents on the subject. Not sure if it makes sense.
I can’t WAIT for you to do Breaking Dawn. That imprinting madness!! 😂And how Jacob was never really in love with Bella, he was drawn to the child she hadn’t even conceived yet. Wild.
Deeply in love with unfertilized eggs 🤣🤣 I wonder if he would’ve still imprinted if Edward wasn’t the father. Also, vampire baby? Stephanie Meyers was playing in our faces lmaooooo
Not forget about Quil and Claire and the „ideal couple “San and Emily.THe whole imprint think the way Stepahanie present it its creepy as hell.Its like you are trapped somewhere and there is not ecsape from that place.Jacob had said to bella that imprinting is more than love from the frist sigth ,more stronger and he also discribe what Sam feld when afther he vecome wolf when imprint with Emily.He said somethink like He loved Leah,but afther look in Emily eyes that dosnt matter anymore.Emily became his centar of his existense.How is that ok.And think became even more creepy ,when we wete learnig what was Jake thinking while imprint in Nessy.Yikes ,just Yikes.lets be honest ,Steph do the imptinthink stuff only so that Nessy can live and also becuase he wanted Jake to be with her,even when she also admitt that she can see the chemestry that he had with Leah afther they split from Sam pack and had to opportunity to spent more time and bond ect.THis would make a lot more sense ,than him being with nessy,of heck he could b e with someone brand new,but of corse she choiise the more bizare and make you shiver choise.
I’m reading a twilight fanfic right now and the Edward in that story still did all of the controlling things but Carlisle talked to him about how controlling and almost abusive he has been and first he argued but now he is learning and coming to terms with it. It’s so nice to my twilight heart to see him grow
I was a very loving person with my ex. His happiness was my priority, and I was thinking of him all the time. Then he ghosted me. When he came back, he told me he met a person and he was trying to find out if it could work... I didn't feel hurt. I felt nauseous and so disgusting by him. I told him never to contact me again and even threatened him when he tried to. I'm surprised with myself, like I became a totally different person, and I lost all empathy for him. Sometimes, I hate him, but most of the time, I don't feel anything. He was the love of my life for 2 years. Now I find him so repulsive. I think I'm broken.
I don’t think you’re broken. Honestly that seems like a Normal response to me. He disrespected you and your relationship so it makes sense to want nothing to with him. Best of luck to you in all you do
You’re not broken. You were betrayed. His unfaithfulness gave you the ick. That is totally normal and justified. I’ve been there too. I hope you are healing well ❤️🩹
That’s a totally natural response to a situation like that! He disrespected you and your relationship, so you wisely refused to let him back into your life! And then you were able to enforce your boundary when he tried to cross the line, which many people aren’t able to do! So well done! Hope you’re able to heal from the whole situation ❤️
This happened to me too, I was so hurt I didn't move. Then after a month he started calling me trying to get me back. I was so angry, I hated him. I've never cared for or dated anyone else. It's like the relationship part of my brain is broken.
I agree with you on Jacob's change, but not on how bad the sentence "better be dead than one of them" is. See it from Jacob's point of view : Bella WILL be a bloodthirsty killer. She claims to be his best friend, but is willing to turn into his mortal enemy. At that point of the story, Jacob has had little to no connexion to vampires besides Edward, who left her and do seem like a monster incapable of feelings at that point. Besides, it is impossible to know how much control she will have at first, when she turns. She will likely kill humans because she won't have any control... There's also the fact that becoming a vampire results in more werewolves "turning", see the pain that it causes for Jacob, for Sam and Leah. Honestly, it's harsh, but I get his point of view. "Better be dead than turning into a cold bloodthirsty monster who will endanger me, my people and the people you claim to care about - ie Charlie". The rest...Unforgivable, as you said. Besides, painting the Native American as the violent, hot headed, dangerous man against the quiet white dude (who is actually much more dangerous) is terrible.
I mean, even the Cullens were amazed at her level of control upon her turning, so how could we blame Jacob for assuming that she'd turn into a killer in the beginning 😅
Also, the presence of vampires make the young people in the tribe phase. Their lives get derailed by the presence of vampires, who are just another threat to their existence. No one in the book really cares about that. The tribe is just painted as beastly when it is in reaction to a real threat. Jacob has been trying to save Bella from becoming the undead or being murdered by another vampire. Edward’s been controlling but not particularly good at protecting Bella. Jacob is actually more competent in that way-even Edward admits that in the book: “You stitched her back together.” Edward accepts Jacob’s help on multiple occasions in the movies too. It’s got to be frustrating. Only in this context is some of Jacob’s possessive and aggressive behavior somewhat understandable, if not right. The kiss, in the book especially, was assault. Charlie should have probably taken him down to the police station and asked Bella if she wanted to press charges. In real life, girls should run from anyone who acts like this. A guy like this has maturing to do and is too volatile for a relationship.
@@nicolestefankofuentes1193I also want to add that members as young as 14 I think, were turning against their will. Like Leah's dad had a heart attack and DIED after her first shift, her bf went missing came back and imprinted on her cousin, the whole pack k ows her thoughts and emotions and judge her for not being happy with how stuff turned out. Like she's lost everything and doesn't even have the privacy of her own thoughts or feelings.
I absolutely love these breakdowns, but I think something that she's missing that's incredibly important is an understanding of vampire and werewolf mythology. She's breaking this down as if they are super humans instead of entirely different races with traits they can't help because of their genetic makeup and culture.
Agreed. I read the books a decade ago and never read Midnight Sun, but she always came across as typical self centered, superficial, popular girl. Not a narcissist. It was an interesting insight to listen to!
I actually brought up Jacob kissing Bella in a discussion about battery and consent last week in my Torts class, so it's interesting to hear how the legal aspects compare to psychological aspects on freaking Twilight! Love this so much!!
Personally I always had an issue with the way the indigenous people in this book were portrayed, I feel like she did Jacob a disservice and made him weirdly violent and aggressive even with the whole wolf plot.
Also, SM glosses over the fact that the young people of the tribe only phase when vampires are present, and yet Dr. Cullen, who could afford to house his family in any cold rainy place in the world, CHOOSE to live right next to the ONE tribe who must transform in response to them. Yet he’s supposed to be SO principled and ethical. The Cullens know the tribe is threatened by their presence. All this can be a metaphor for the generational trauma of colonization, except that I don’t think SM picked up on that. The gene mighy go dormant again if the Cullens and Bella moved away. Between this and having to imprint on Bella’s baby, Jacob gets a crappy story arc. His agency is repeatedly taken away. It’s like he is Bella’s perpetual body guard and servant.
Same, it makes no sense either since they existence to protect humans from vampires. They were just written like that so these rich, white vampires could swoop in and play white knight. They supposedly care bout humans but demonize, degrade and disrespect the wolves by moving to forks even tho they had a treaty with the wolves to stay away
I read that the tribe felt Lautner represented them well in his performance, but they did not appreciate the overt sexualization and trope of violence and aggression in the story. Also, the whole story is built on the presence of the Quileute tribe and their folklore-which is much more interesting than what we see or read-and yet the studio and SM “opted” not to let them sell merch OR compensate them, despite being asked. They need to relocate the community due to climate change too. It’s pretty awful.
Bella not comfortable sharing her engagement with Jacob is sus. The kissing proves it. Bella is no victim and she was playing game. There are three toxic people in this triangle.
Other reviewers have pointed out Jacob ranting about how he's gonna put himself in a dangerous situation and Bella trying to deescalate until she asks him to kiss her, exhausting all else she said.
I definitely relate to thinking certain things were romantic when I was a teen and then realizing as an adult how unhealthy things were. I'm loving these videos!! Thank you 🙏🏾🙏🏾💚💚
3:23 Either a) Meyer noticed that Jacob was really popular with readers, because of his likeable personality in „New Moon“, & therefore tried to „destroy“ his character, by making him suddenly unlikeable & sexually abusing Bella (by kissing her without her consent). Because she wanted the readers to like Edward more & for the readers to want to see Bella end up with Edward. or b) Meyer noticed that a lot of people liked Jacob & tried to make HIM the perfect love interest by making him HER perfect love interest, wich is Edward (since Bella is an obvious self-isert), who’s abusiv, so Jacob also became abusiv.
OK but after watching you're video I'm just now realizing how many odd love triangle/unrequited love situations there were. Jess/Mike/Bella Bella/Angela/ Eric Leah/Sam/Emily I believe it's Midnight Sun that we learn that Rosalie was a little miffed that Edward took interest in Bella but not her. (Not that she even wanted him) Even though James was dead Riley was unknowing Victoria's "Jacob". There was also another vampire woman who liked Edward (she doesn't get talked about much). Even poor Charlie started spending time with Sue after her husband died and Billy was not a fan. (Even though Billy didn't want her) There were just so many weird romance dynamics.
Maybe Billy feeld weird,becuase its seems that they start dating pretty quackly of maybe that he was seeing his closes friend to date the wife of his now eath friend. I kinda explain his behaviour . Leah/Sam/Emily o boy the think is that this triangle will be forever unresolved.This imprint stuff mess theire releoship pretty ,pretty badly and or corse the vilian in the eyes of the boys is Leah ,becuase she dont act like some martyr,but actually show normal human reaction good and bad.He still love her and i think that forever he will,but his love to her is eclipse by his imprinted love towards Emily ,i think that this would be case for Leah.Her love may transform in the fature somewhat ,but he will still be special to her.I want her to find normaly someone to fall in love i defnatly dont want her to imprint.There is so much possibility with what can be done with Leah and im afraid that if Step deside to writte a book to her to writte her typical stuff.Emily i cant sad nothink bad about her,but now im seeing her situatinion with sam with diffriend eyes ,When i was little i think that theire story was romantic and ive haven t think about Sam releoship with Leah,but when grow up i find it a lot problematic stuff with them and in general with the impriting.And ,yeh its seems that Emily had a crush on Sam before all this,but she didnt show this and act normal.Sam on the other hand think of Emily as Leah best griend and that was it.
As a 16 year old I was annoyed at Rosalie’s attitude towards Bella cuz it was getting old at this point lol but now as an adult she was just spitting facts telling Bella how she’ll be giving up so much and how she basically sucks at making choices lol I’m much more interested in Rosalie’s character than anybody else’s except maybe Alice.
i feel like the reason bella behaves the way she does has a lot to do with the relationship she had with her mom. a lot of her traits resemble the adult child of a narcissist, or something similar (maybe renee had bpd traits?) the whole premise of her moving had to do with her mom. when she explains to edward why she moved she says it was on her own, so her mom could travel with phil. but a responsible mother would recognize putting the pressure to make that decision on a child not even 18 would be unfair. she’s also really hurt over the fact bella doesn’t share every detail of her life (her relationship with edward) when she shows up at the hospital after the accident. but these things show she sees her more as an “equal”, an extension of herself. the responsibility makes sense it’s not unreasonable for bella to take. all of that would likely lead to bella feeling doubtful in most of her decisions despite actually having quite a bit more life experience than most people her age, and it would lead her to be attracted to relationships that were stronger willed.
I’m not sure if I agree with the assessment that Renee was a narcissist. It seemed like Renee really wanted Bella to live with her, as Forks was a place Renee had rejected and felt her daughter would feel similarly. But Renee didn’t manipulate her into staying and let her make her own decision. I think the more accurate reality is that Renee is flighty, which Bella recognizes as a character flaw in her mom. She left her marriage and small town life in Forks and then moved on with Phil, who allows her to travel and experience new things. Charlie reflects stability. Jacob also is somewhat stable. Maybe the reason Bella didn’t choose Jacob is because he’s more similar to the life Renee rejected and subconsciously wants to experience that same freedom her mother eventually did with Phil.
I love that you're talking about these. Everyone is honestly terrible in this book/film. Stephenie has continued to say she's a Jacob shipper, which astonishes me. The one thing I appreciate in the book is that when Edward comes back from hunting, he says he trusts Bella, and she's welcome to be with the wolves as much as she wants. If she says they're safe, he believes her. The animosity is so much less coming from Edward (at least for a long while). It was refreshing. Of course, the movie did away with that.
We (daughter and I) found the series just this past month and it was new for us. Kind of fascinated in a morbid way. The books especially did not age well. I really appreciate the way you talk about the characters as if they were your clients and you essentially call them in to understand what drives their unhelpful and harmful behaviors. You are using empathy but asking for accountability. Great for people to see. I’m also happy that my teen daughter says she is “Team Sweet Jacob Only.” She’s sympathetic to wolf Jacob as he is under a lot of otherworldly stress + wolf hormones BUT she would only be interested in the sweet kid who rebuilt the truck as a gift just for his childhood friend(although Bella barely noticed that) or the kid in New Moon who is steadfast and patient and sunny (and who gets to wear clothes) who patiently helped Bella through her depression. My teen says she is really “Team Bella needs a stronger sense of self and to tell these guys to get lost” once the competition for control starts. Who gets married at 18, she says. (She also ships Edward and Jacob. ;) )
One more thing: The main problem with the books is that SM wants them to also be bodice rippers for teens, so the messaging around consent is conflicting. The main problem with the movies is that they really sexually objectified a teenage boy through body modification, and while he was beautiful, he was before the extra 35 pounds, and we started to feel downright bad for him in Eclipse. “Doesn’t he own a shirt.” Teenage boys still try to emulate that unsustainable body and I think it’s toxic b/c even the actor has talked about body image and dysmorphia and weird encounters with women old enough to be his mom.
The only reason to watch Eclipse for me is Rose and her whole look, Jasper’s superior hairstyle, Jasper’s backstory and the Jasper/Alice’s interactions when they are training. The man is a SIMP. And also, how tf they managed to make Jasper’s and Rosalie’s wigs look the best they looked the whole Saga, all the while Alice’s, Esme’s, Carlisle’s and Bella’s wigs looked THAT awful?
This series has been really good. I feel like a lot of us read/watched and loved the series when we were young and naive, and now have complicated feelings about it as adults who can identify the issues.
Subscribing! The particularly maddening thing about the kiss Jacob forced on Bella (aside from the obvious thing) is how he blamed HER for breaking her hand after she punched him. "You broke my hand!" "Bella, YOU broke your hand." Anyway, spot on analysis as always.
I remember the moment I recognized why I hated the big jacob scene of kissing her and saying “you love me you don’t love him” type thing in college on spring break when I was in this exact situation. Like literally to the fuckin t it matched my entire situation and “friendship” with this person. I remember watching and wanting to cry tbh bc I was so angry and so disappointed. This person was genuinely so abusive to me in like all the worst ways that jacob and Edward had combined and it really messed with me. I’ll tell you this though, it woke me tf up and made me realize it wasn’t okay 😭
@@Tazazak he’s since been out of my life almost 4 years now and some days are definitely hard but therapy has really helped me begin healing🫶🏻 thank you for your kindness you sweet person
@@Thatgenderconfused3mo I’m glad to know you’re well on your way in your healing journey. 💜 Continued best wishes that you’ll heal and have a happy life!
I always thought that Edward thought that Bella had been convinced that marriage wasn’t so bad by seeing Renee remarry happily and seeing the Cullen couples who were also married. I think he felt pretty awful when he realized that Bella was going along to get along, and that he may have inadvertently forced her into marriage when that wasn’t necessary. As always, great video and great discussion!
I decided to rewatch the series with my best friend after seeing your videos, and I'm having so much fun! Eclipse was the one we saw most recently, and we were just laughing at all of the characters dumb choices 😂 I love the series, for nostalgia reasons but also it's genuinely entertaining no matter how much time passes, and being back in it feels good. your commentary is amazing and very insightful!
I think the only thing I’m not mad at is Edward wanting a wedding and to get married despite Bella not wanting it. He’s a traditional guy and I don’t think I’d really wanna turn someone if we aren’t gonna be together forever either lol. Sometimes a compromise has to come in if y’all really wanna be together and I’ve seen more than a few people have to make that compromise or break up. Really depends.
I haven’t read the books or seen the movies in over a decade so I could be wrong, but that whole thing was like the only time they actually compromised fairly equally for each other. Edward wanted anyone else but himself to change her, and she didn’t want to get married. She insisted that he changed her and he insisted they get married first. Compromise on both ends, they both gave up something important to them to get something important to them. Weird situation, maybe still not the healthiest, but at least they both compromised lol.
Jacob was still a child, with raging hormones and a lot going on (wolfing, vampires). I think the moods are not weird for him at all. I have known multiple guys acting out like that
Thank you sooo much for this insight. I liked Jacob at first and then when I arrived at the 3rd book I hated both of the love interests. I dispised Bella for being a push over in all situations. Then the love triangle was annoying. It's beyond unrealistic. Then the controlling nature of Edward was driving me nuts. I severely disliked Edward. I read the book when I was 14 and it did not change.
If you have a moment I would love for you to do a breakdown about the character Leah, who done so wrong in the movie AND the books. Like she's the only female in HISTORY to be a shifter, Seth was her bf of 3 years when he shifted and went missing for 2 weeks, so when finally returned home he had a personality change and no explanation. So she gives him space to deal with his issues and the next things she knows is that her cousin Emily comes to visit, Sam imprints on Emily asap. And on the same night he dumps Leah and Emily tells her that Sam is trying to date her now. So her ex gets with her cousin (who he accidently hurts after a shift), Leah suffers from mood swings and shifts for the first time. Which causes her own father to suffer a heart attack and DIE because he witnesses it happening. So she's forced into the telepathic link with her ex Seth, along with the whole pack reading her as well. And they don't like her because she's upset and angry, and she couldn't even leave and go solo.
20:44 thank you for talking about how the narrative around romance and what you should want in a partner was fed to us differently when the books/movies came out compared to now. Cos yeah, I heard a lot that that’s the type of person you should want (that’s how they show they love you) and now can see it’s very unhealthy. Edit: this is looking at both sides, Jacob and Edward cos I used to be team Edward and when I got older looking back was like ew eddie. ew.
When you’re done with this series I would love your opinion on the Netflix show “My Happy Marriage” it’s a period anime on the relationship dynamic with This depressive girl who gets into a healthy relationship with someone she was married off too. It’s soooo good. I think you’ll enjoy it. ❤
Omg what a great sugestion i love that anime, i started reading de manga first, but when i found out that it would become an anime i was so happy, like its truly shows the construction of a romantic relationship.
yayyyy!👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 please continue doing this series, I love how you analyze and the actual relationships present! i would love to see more therapist breakdowns of movies/tv shows once you finish the Twilight series!!
@26:34 Is where the Advert for Mormonism kicks into gear. Alice becomes Bella's Trainer for the role of Sister Wife as this and the next book progress.
I think Jacob changing so much between New Moon and Eclipse is supposed to be partially the supernatural effect. Imo, Stephanie Meyer wrote it with the intention that turning into a wolf/coming of age for Jacob involved him becoming more "dominant" and "animal like" and the hatred of vampires being instinctual. Because of being in Bella's POV / arguably not great world building viewers often try to treat the vampires and wolves as a little too human. But the story is a lot more interesting and things make more sense if you genuinely view them all as predators and Bella as prey.
28:00ish: re: the discussion of the marriage ultimatum vs. having sex. I think it's okay for Edward to say "I want to be married before we have sex" and it's okay for Bella to say "I don't believe in marriage so I don't want to do it." In a healthy couple, that would be a discussion, and possibly a (hopefully amicable) breakup because they realize they want incompatible things. To play that forward a couple moves, they both might realize they can't stand being apart so they come back and renegotiate, and maybe we end up in the same place with them married, etc., but without the emotional blackmail of the original story. TL/DR: I do enjoy Twilight as brain candy but I do wish it modeled healthier relationship dynamics.
I don’t see Edward coercing Bella either, even regarding turning her. Bella had no right to push him when there were others who were willing. She pushed and wanted him to do what he didn’t want to do, and so he placed a condition on it. If she wasn’t pushing him, then his actions would be assholish. But she’d not innocent in this. She’s so conceited and entitled that she saw no problem with barging into their home after not seeing them for so long, and, rather than being so happy they’re back and focusing on that for a while, forced them to vote then and there on giving her what she wanted. I never enjoyed Twiight because I was concerned VERY early on that there were going to be girls who had these relationships reinforced as the ideal. Fantasy becomes reality when people are told in real life that this thing is good. Even in this comments section, there are people who’ve mentioned molding relationships after Twilight and not seeing the toxicity.
Idk how true this is but I always heard that Stephanie Meyer wrote twilight to be a standalone, and then she wrote the wedding from breaking dawn as a follow up. But when she got an agent, they wanted her to make it a series. So Jacob wasn't even a character at first, and she definitely didn't ever really think of him as a serious love interest imo
So goad this was covered. Even when I read the book when I was younger, I was still able to recognise how absolutely controlling Edward was, like the lengths he went to make sure that Bella couldn't hang out with Jacob... I remember even feeling so frustrated at the scene in the book when Edward gave Bella the choice to keep her window locked if she didn't want him to come inside (after he disconnected her trucks cables) and she closes it-but opens it a second later. She was WAY too lenient with him!
Thanks for being on the toxic person's side too and not just clout chasing by completely devaluing them like most youtube therapists/psychologists I've seen
One downside of watching these videos: I get the theme song stuck in my head all day! Great breakdown. Loved the discussion of control and values as ultimatums.
obviously the books are fictional but these observations are so important to pick up on and reflect in real life relationships! thank you for making these videos ❤ very fun to watch and informative
Let’s not forget had Bella not gotten pregnant and was going to die after birth, Edward would’ve held off changing her for a couple of more years after she actually compromised and got married.
Thoughts on imprinting: i haven’t read the book in a while but in the movie jacob says something like you’ll be anything for that person: a brother a sister a friend a lover… so TECHNICALLY they’re suppose to be a strong support system for that other person and if they both mutually decide to be together they can??? but SM seemed to sell the view that they all end up as couples eventually. it would have been nice to see an imprinting bond in the story not end up as a relationship… especially when kids were involved…
My daughter’s middle name is Rosalie! Partly inspired by the character, but mostly because it’s a beautiful name. I really liked her character. I felt like she came from a place of maternal protection for Bella. Seeing Bella as herself and the opportunities she lost as well as a potential daughter she could’ve had. (At least from my memory)
The thing for me in regards to Bella's feeling for Jacob, is the 13 pages 'breakup' they go through after Jacob is hurt by the neofit. He promises to still be there for her until her heart stops beating, but she says "how can we still be friends, when we love each other like this?". To me, its heartbreaking how they are crying in each other's arms about loving each other deeply, admitting to being in love actually, but not being "able to be together" because she LOVES Edward.
I juat found out that Jacob wasn’t even suppose to be even a minor character after Twilight. The publishers wanted more of him so he played a bigger role in New Moon. Then everyone fell in love with him because overall he is a wayyyy better partner than Edward will ever be. She had to ruin him in the last two books. The whole baby thing is uncalled for and makes zero sense when you breakdown why they imprint. It’s suppose to pass on the best genes to make even better and more wolves. That can’t happen with Nessie, she’s gonna eventually stop growing nd aging; therefore she will not be able to give birth.
Great video ! I used to read Twilight as a kid, but not as a plot, but rather some other issues. I have a warm feeling towards the book, since if it didn't exist, I probably won't be here today. I don't remember the plot much, just how I turned the pages for basic soothing, but was never a fan, and just read it because my mom used to read it and I wanted to check it out of curiosity. The thirst for violence was something young me found relatable in Edward, and still do to some degree, and I understand how all encompassing it is, and agree with Edward on the no sex before marriage thing. To me, it just seems like a relationship that is emotionally distressing for both. And wanting to hurt someone even if it's against your values is very emotionally distressing. It's a choice to act upon it, but I see it more as succombing to temptation, and that thirst for violence can be all incompassing. Verbalizing it is important to some degree, especially if you don't know how long you'll be able to control yourself. Being tempted impulsively so to do something against one's values is very distressing. Together with his attraction for Bella. I don't think Edward would be happy in this relationship. Personally, I am more of a Harry Potter girl. It got some great stuff to analyze, maybe the Dursleys are an interesting pick for a relationship therapist.
Me too. I was never interested in the romance aspect of the series. What drew me in was how Bella felt like she didn't belong anywhere. Which I can still kinda relate to this day but I'm comfortable with being able to socialize with people now and not expecting deep friendships. Obviously I stayed for the vampires.
I can't wait for your next video on these books/movies! I'm really interested to hear what you have to say about Charlie and how Bella and others treat him in Breaking Dawn.
These are so good! I've never seen you before but I really love a psychological breakdown of my favorite movies like this. Huge plus plus bonus points that you're actually a fan and do comparison of the books with the movies! You even read Midnight Sun! I watched the Therapist Reacts videos with Jonathan and Alan and love their content but they are not fans, nor have either of them read the books so you have a huge advantage there. I look forward to seeing more like this from you! ❤️
I think about the stage that all the vampires where in when they turned, and Rosalie was at a point in her life where her humanity was the strongest and then to have such a horrific thing happen to her and then be turned without a chance for counseling was just crazy. I always thought to myself what was Carlisle thinking? The mate for Edward, just doesn’t fly for me. He didn’t know her, he just saw someone who suffered from an abusive situation like his wife, but it was still drastically different. It made it seem like men see the abusive situations of women threw one lens, which is problematic. Rosalie was frozen in her grief of what she had loss and she said that things got better after Emmett, but imagine being your wife’s forever counselor. Imagine his relief when Renesme came along, but that is a whole other issue.
Rosalie is still so weird to me because of the reason she turned Emmett. It’s not discussed in the movies but in the book, when she’s having the heart to heart with Bella and you’re finding out her backstory she says that she found Emmett after he was attacked by a bear and the reason she turned him was because she saw the curly haired boy with dimples she’d never get to have. Like… you saw this guy as a form of a son you’d never have but you also then married him?
LOVE that you’re diving into this series and have been waiting for this video! I only read & watched Twilight growing up because my sister was completely obsessed. I just wanted to see what the fuss was about. I deeply disliked Bella for most of the series but enjoyed the way she found herself as a vampire in Breaking Dawn pt 2. I actually think that’s the best movie in the series as well. LOVED the way you spoke about Bella parenting her parents in the first book/video. I think there is more to explore there. How Bella is so needy/dependent on Edward modeling how her mother manages her relationship. We see this same dynamic (of course) with Ana in 50 Shades of Grey. The ways absent mothers leave their daughters vulnerable to manipulative/controlling partners. Thoughts? In a future video, would love to hear your POV on the Michelle Carter/Conrad Roy III case. I just watched the documentary and the Hulu series “The Girl from Plainville” based on this and I think there are similar themes to explore re: depression, teenage relationships, parental absence, etc. I know this is a real case with real people as opposed to the fantasy of Twilight but with our obsession with true crime, these stories are hard to ignore. Another one is the story of Betty Gore and Candy Montgomery as seen in the Hulu series “Candy” and/or the HBO Max series “Love & Death”
Completely unrelated to Twilight series - would love your POV on codependency & friend-to-lover movie plots. Two prime examples are in Friends with Kids (2012) and Sleeping with Other People (2015) but honestly there are many of these lol.
i LOVE this series! I hope you also cover life and death. It would be interesting to know if the subtle differences from twilight changes any of your thoughts.
I'm sorry but everyone going on and on about Edward pushing for marriage being soooo bad annoys me and sounds so ridiculous considering that heffer is wanting to literally "die", leave her family and make them think she's dead so she can be with him for "eternity". I'm sorry but I feel like her arguments are a moot point and make no sense. I feel like Edwards points are a lot more valid than hers and make more sense overall. He's a lot more traditional and being married was probably a dream of his. How is that different from any woman wanting their dream wedding and saying that they want you to put a ring on it or they walk. People usually applaud those women for having standards but for him it's wrong. Okay. Also him saying if she wants to be a vampire then he wants to be married is not horrible. Turning her is something he is 100% against because of his belief that she would lose her soul and he would be taking her away from her family and a future she could have otherwise had. That is a big deal for him and here she is giving bullshit statistics about divorce ratings when she literally is asking to go through an agonizing change that will stop her heart, cause her to crave blood like no one's business for eternity and cause her parents untold pain when she leaves and they have to fake her death. WTF. Also him being against having sex with her while she is human is completely valid considering he was still struggling with the smell of her blood but also he doesn't want to possibly hurt her or lose control. Edward and Jacob definitely have their issues but we can't sit here and act like Bella doesn't either. I'm not sure if it was talked about in the books because I only read the first one but the fact that there is really no consideration given to the pain her decision would cause to her parents bugs the shit out of me. So yeah. This was really the only point I had an issue with of the video. Edward wasn't the only one badgering. Bella was doing it too and it was something that really conflicted with his belief. But again, NO ONE mentions this. They only talking about Edward doing this. ugh. Sorry. I'm not a fan of Edward (he bores me) or Jacob (little brother chemistry to me) but Bella irks the shit out of me as well. They all need therapy. lol.
When you talked about how Edward made a lot of decisions for Bella it made he think of that scene in breaking dawn part 1 when Edward snapped at her for wanting to keep the baby and said “ you decided this all on your own”
I think another reason for Jacob's change was also that he's a werewolf, so not only is he dealing with that but also now his private thoughts are no longer his own. Combine that with everyone else's thoughts in the pack sound exhausting. It's a lot for a 16 year old boy.
Edward had a right to lay out his standards in the relationship...no sex before marriage...marriage in order to turn her into a vampire. Bella didn't have to except the offer. Like he said "compromise".
If you've watched The Vampire Diaries....would you do a breakdown of it as well? I know it may be a bit crazy of a concept because there are 8 seasons of the show, but I'd love a breakdown of it because I love the way your mind works and how thoroughly you're able to articulate everything.
I’m working my way through your channel and saw this series and thought how disturbing these movies were to me when I rewatched them in my 30s vs late teens… But your practical advice your giving ..! I really wish I had you to listen to 10-15 years ago😞 I wish I could find a therapist like you! But age and time can help to
I remember when I read Eclipse for the first time and about the kiss. Mostly I remember how disgusted I was with Charlie for saying 'good for you, son' about Jacob forcing Bella to kiss him. He would have wanted Bella to be with Jacob, sure, but still. If he had been my father I would've never forgiven him.
Unrelated to this video, I would love to see more videos on green flags in relationships! I really enjoyed watching your video of Tiffany & Brett from LIB :)
I loveeee thisss but girllll Jacob literally threatened to kill himself just to get Bella to kiss him and Edward reveals later that he would have forced himself on her again even if she didn’t consent to kissing him. Jacob was on something in Eclipse!!!
I missed that part. My cousin said..."Jacob was nice until he didn't get his way"...or the girl...which I agree with. I didn't feel he was as nice of a guy as Team Jacob made him out to be. At least Edward, never tried to overpower Bella. That's a red flag. Edward & Alice was right to warn Bella against Jacob.
@@kaisofine yea it was only clear in the books though. Right before the fight he says “there’s a pretty dangerous fight brewing down there, it wouldn’t be too hard to take myself out of the equation” he goes on saying that if Bella doesn’t want him to kill himself than Bella needs to do something to prove she wants him alive, which ended up being for her to ask him to kiss her. Then after the fight when he’s in bed injured Bella says “at least Edward didn’t say he’d kill himself just to kiss me” but she wasn’t mad at him… and for the life of me I don’t understand why
That wasn’t consent. Consent needs to be freely given, not coerced. If a man holds a gun to your head and tells you you’re going to have sex with him, and you do, you didn’t give consent just because you weren’t physically held down. You were coerced, and that’s still rape. Bella didn’t consent to either kiss.
I don’t even need to watch the video, your face on the thumbnail said it all for us lol. I remember loving the books like an idiot until Jacob imprinted and that snapped me right out of it and I went “oh yeah… she’s a Mormon)
You mentioned one of my biggest frustrations I felt while reading the books. I got tired of everyone else telling Bella how to live her life. Also, I enjoy SMeyer's story telling even though her characters are deeply flawed.
I used to think she was so good, but looking back at how she glorified toxic relationships, age gaps (in her other projects too), how poorly she wrote all the indigenous characters, glorified a Confederate soldier 😒 and wrote about his ex gf in the book “even the Mexican vampire was beautiful” I think she has deep seated race and gender issues. It makes me look down at her writing after noticing it all Not to mention apparently she was very against having any POC in the original Twilight film. Saying things like she didn’t see Angela or Mike or w/e that person name is as Latino, Asian, or black 😢 or anything other than white
I didn't have so much of a problem with Edward. I my problem was Bella. She was hard-headed in Eclipse. Alice & Edward told her that the wolves were uncontrollable and temperamental. Edward knew Jake had feelings for Bella. Plus, Jacob made it very clear he had feelings for her. At some point she being older should have put distance between herself and Jacob. I found myself annoyed at times that Edward was tolerating Bella's behavior. Not to blame the victim. Jacob definitely assaulted Bella, but Edward warned her to leave Jacob alone. Bella should have spent more time with Angela & Leah. They were the only characters who told Bella the cold truth. Charlie pushed Jacob on Bella to slow down Edward's relationship with her. Smh.
@noelletakesthesky3977 I understood & respected Rose's point about Bella staying a human. But Charlie lost points with me. In Eclipse, the book, Charlie displays a "boys will be boys" mentality and laughs when Jake tells him Bella punched him after their "kiss". I didn't like that. And Charlie was more concerned with Edward threatening Jacob after the "kiss". He wasn't as concerned about his daughter being assaulted, maybe because Jake is 2 yrs younger. 🤔
Edward, and Alice, constantly violates bella's consent and autonomy so him warning about Jacob or whatever just comes off as hypocritical especially since Edward has also kissed her without consent but he isn't demonized for it by bella or by Stefanie Meyer cuz he's white. The lack of awareness about how deeply r@cist it is that Jacob and wolves are all written to have uncontrollable rage even tho it directly contradicts their purpose, which is to protect human, while the exclusively white vampires, who show little to no regard for human life unless they deem that human important, are painted as the saviors is bizarre Jacob is def in the wrong at times but he's a 16 yo boy written r@cistly while Edward is a 106 yo white, billionaire, mind reader who has multiple degrees and 80 years of life experience yet he behaves worse than Jacob and isn't demonized the same way
@dekuquan7010 when did Edward kiss Bella without consent? I know in New Moon, she asked him not to kiss her, and he stopped. Book has plenty of evidence that Bella wanted a physical relationship with her BF Edward.
@dekuquan7010 On race...story is Eurocentric leaning. However, there werewolves are depicted as losing control of their tempers in other movies or shows. Just like vampires stalk their subjects of interest.
Thanks for analyzing these movies AND including the differences between the characters in the films and their book counterparts. When the books came out, I read all of them and I watched all the movies, except the last. As the books continued, I began to dislike Edward and was firmly Team Jacob, even though I knew Bella would choose Edward. I genuinely thought when Imprinting was being introduced that Jacob and Leah would Imprint on each other and they would both find a way to be happy. I was so disappointed 😞 😔. Anyway, I love your videos and I look forward to hearing your thoughts about the next two films
That would have been amazing wouldn't it! Even with Jacob being so mean in his head towards Leah in the beginning, could have been a setup to an enemies to lovers kinda thing but no... Meyer seems to have a personal issue with Leah, the poor girl 😢😅
@@xLiLlyx98 I didn't think about it as Enemies to Lovers, but it does fit. Stephenie Meyers could have written a whole other series about Leah and Jacob coming to grips with the Imprinting and facing the consequences of a world post the Volturi conflict. They could learn to heal and forgive. Ooh, that would have been great!
@@Ka16Ky28 but to be honest, we shouldn't expect anything from an author with such blinders on that she can only see the angsty romance in the middle. No exploration of deeper themes than what she sees as all-consuming love
@@samanthaerulastiellewis789 And I mean if the imprinting thing is a biological mechanism to ensure the best likelihood of passing on the werewolf thing, wouldnt two werewolves imprinting make like a super werewolf? And if meyer wanted to absolutely continue her saga, have them have a son who then falls in love with renesmee which makes the whole battle between werewolves and vampires even more dramatic :D (and also way less creepy in all directions, with the imprinting on a newborn being out of the way and no weird son-in-law situation with Bella and Edward..)
I am curious if we did not only follow Bella’s perspective, if we Jessica as less narcissistic. Bella isolated herself for months and refused to hang out with anyone. Than out of nowhere, she decides to hang with Jessica again. I wonder if Jessica was just fed up with everything because Bella kind of uses her and even when they hang out, Bella is not into it. The validation could be insecurity which some narcissists have. And her friends just being infatuated with Bella could have led to more insecurity. I can see her as both a normal teenager with low self-esteem or narcissistic depending on who you follow in the story.
I agree. Jessica was definitely insecure but I never felt like she was narcissistic in the movies. In the books it's a different story but in my opinion, the movies never portrayed Jessica as a narcissist but more like an insecure teen sizing up the new girl Bella before deciding to befriend her.
I also saw Jessica’s “lack of empathy” as her getting tired of the entire damned world catering to Bella while Bella was never expected to give anything to anyone in return, which makes Bella selfish and an emotional sinkhole. While Jessica was supposed to be sympathetic to Bella, Bella checked out for months and wasn’t there for anyone else. Bella never, ever had sympathy for anyone. Bella should get it all from everyone, and shouldn’t have to give any, and the ONE person who points out to Bella that they ALL have problems, not just Bella, is narcissistic? No. Jessica was just tired of the expectation that she set aside her own problems to cater to Bella, who never cared for anyone else in return. (Even Edward was a means to an end for Bella, and that was supposed to be “love.”)
@@Trulymimi17 Agreed. I find it appalling that Jessica is being called narcissistic for her “lack of empathy” even though Bella NEVER gave any to her friends. Why is it wrong to not empathize with Bella when Bella doesn’t care about Jessica, Angela, Mike, or anyone else? She cares so little that she forgets about them when they’re no longer needed to prop her up. Jessica’s right that they all had their problems, but Bella cared so little that she didn’t even notice. Jessica’s not wrong at all for basically telling Bella that Bella needs to give sometimes instead of always just taking and thinking about only herself.
I feel like Jacob’s character transformation is pretty much just a reaction to the fandom elevating Jacob into a romantic role that is in the running against Edward. I said this in a comment on the last video, but I think it’s interesting that Jacob is named after Stephenie Meyer’s brother. I think this created a more three-dimensional character who has a lot of nuance and gentleness, probably based in her relationship with her brother. But when the fandom saw him as an attractive figure who could offer a different but beautiful future for Bella, she wanted to course correct without hurting the character. So she gave him a lot of new characteristics that are similar to how she portrays Edward; powerful, dangerous, and possessive. But changing him in such a way to make him a more direct rival to Edward by displaying some of these traits also destroyed a lot of the kindness and consideration that people found attractive in Jacob in the first place. I also think the imprinting thing was a way for her to have Jacob ultimately be rejected without “hurting” him, but it has the side effect of making his love for Bella all along seem like it wasn’t genuine in the first place, which is not a great environment for the character and I think it bothered a lot of fans (and not just because imprinting on an unconceived baby seems weird and creepy). It felt like a lazy way to get Jacob out of the running because Stephenie Meyer never intended him to be a romantic interest and didn’t understand really why people loved him so much as a romantic partner for Bella specifically, because in a narrative sense Bella represented Stephenie Meyer and Jacob represented her brother.
Meyer butchered Jacob’s character after new moon. I loved him for Bella. He was the healthier choice because he aligned with her humanity. Tbh i think fan pressure led her to picking Edward in the end, and id bet on it based on the convoluted plot in breaking Dawn, It felt shoddy and twelfth hour.
"Esclipe is so dumb!" And that's the reason why I stopped reading Twilight Series and particularly from the scene that Bella kissed Jacob so that he wouldn't be mad at her getting married with Edward.
I like your well balanced evaluation of these books😊 As a voracious reader of supernatural books. I always wonder why in those who mourn not being able to have children, why not adopt? If vampirism is put aside.
Really loving your breakdown videos on these books and movies, I was obsessssed as a teenager and it's so cool to reflect back on them through a different lens, so thank you!😀
Rosalie’s monologue makes me think that she was very excited to grow old, see her beauty fade, and still have someone love her. It must be devastating to be in eternal beauty and never have that confirmation that you are valued for something other than your beauty
Good point!
I love this so much
Wow! I never thought of it like that. Great take!
As someone who watched the movies first, I never understood the like of Rosalie til this movie and suddenly understood her better than any of the other characters. 💯 why I wouldn’t want to be a vampire either lol
Wow, love this idea!
Rosalie a character that I love exploring because her story is the the conversation about consent. The line “I wish someone voted no for me,” is so deep because it highlighted the fact that Carlisle actually took something away from her right after her fiancé did by turning her into a vampire with the hopes of giving Edward a mate. Carlisle is painting as a good vampire but his motivations and decision making rarely comes from the interest of the individual
you make such good points!!! I cant believe i never made the connection that carlisle also did something without consent to rosalie so soon after her "fiance" and his buddies all sexually assaulted her. I remember watching these as a teen and hating her because she was so bitchy to me and i just feel so sorry for her now. She truly got so many things ripped from her without her consent and it breaks me. Your comment really got me thinking!
Carlisle is an interesting character because I feel his motivations are so unclear, they often seem very selfish in nature. I feel like the story would be more powerful if all of the Cullens had been turned independently and come together as a family by choice, rather than Carlisle turning these characters and then them feeling obligated to stay a part of the family. It’s like he feels the need to create “good” vampires even though this is such a traumatic experience for most of the characters who have been turned and I think Edward also would have rather died in his sickbed than be turned into a vampire, at least up until the point that Bella gives his unlife some meaning.
That is an excelent point, but I think it would more of a metaphore of a parent because the idea of creating a child - in his case, a vampire - îs inherently selfish: passing your genes in order to prezerve your genome. In this instance, it was his selfish wish to create a family by forcing vampires created by him to become part of it. That is the circle of life, unfortunately.
I think he thought he was helping her though since she was left to die
@@Schu0086 its a cult. he finds them in unfortunate circumstances, Edward in the Spanish flu, rosalie dying from her perpetrator (as I remember), the mother being sicj as well.. so of course they think their new chance is soley because of him and maybe that's true, but that doesn't mean they have to be family. They don't seem to leave. They ate totally uncritical about him, they all follow him blindly.
Finallyyyy someone mentions Jessica. I feel like nobody ever peeped or cared that she actually was crazy jealous of Bella
I've dealt with girls like her and it's genuinely psychotic
I think it makes sense that Rosalie would be offended that Edward didn’t care for her looks. She came from a time period where a woman’s looks were an essential part of her being picked to be married. In part marriage was something she wanted, but it was also socially expected. And if she couldn’t attract a man, she would’ve been seen as a failure of a woman.
It’s actually much worse. Check my comment above so I don’t have to copy/paste what I already wrote.
Also she is considered the American standard of beauty as well
@@NoelleTakestheSkyI’ve scrolled quite a bit and can’t find your comment, would you mind copy/pasting it here? I’m interested to know what your thoughts are.
But it's painted as her fault like she is the one being superficial. It's good old victim blaming. It's the patriarchy setting these standards, not women.
Let alone that in the books a whole reason she was turned was to be a MATE for Edward. So add her upbringing and then the whole factor of why she was turned, of course she was upset. She had to deal with being a vampire against her will and then the other person in a similar boat she was turned for tell her she wasn't good enough for him. Imagine living with someone like that
I love that youre commited to breaking these books down. Its like having a one side discussion with a friend. Most of my friends dont care for this seires.. book and movies. But they are my guilty pleasure 🤣
I feel the same. It’s so nice to be able to talk about it with you all!
@@StephAnya here's a little rant about Jacob because i can't stop thinking about it after watching the video lol.
i believe Jacob changed that drastically from the second book to this one because of his new pack's influece on him.
By the end of the second book he was still confused as to what his new "role" in the pack was and if he HAD to become one of them and do and believe the same things just because he turned into a wolf, like he suddenly didn't have a choice anymore and i even remember he left his oldest friends in the world without saying or explaining anything to them and started hanging out with the pack.
And after that new feeling of belonging to a group faded and the cullens came back he got soooo angry because he was feeling trapped and without the ability of making decisions and choices about any aspect of his life, and he used all that anger and fed his hatred towards the cullens just to put the "blame" on somebody, to make someone gulty that now the could even hide his thoughts from other people and was literally physically forced into doing what the alpha of the pack ordered and bella didn't want him and he even puts the blame on them that he became a wolf in the first place. So i think the was a loooot going on with Jacob that resulted into a personality change in this book and it had nothing to do with the author not wanting us to root for him and bella.
i also believe wholeheartedly that he was trying that hard to "win" bella because he needed that victory in his life, that in the middle of all that was going on getting her would back up the hopes he had of still being worthy and human enough and part of the "good guys". i also think that he's struggling with thought that he won't even find "the one" and without the imprimation he won't find anyone willing to be with him now that his a wolf, and he sees that bella doesn't care and he thinks she's the only hope he has left.
So getting her to be with him sooo much deepper than just loving her in my opinion. also honestly, none of the times i read the books i got any impression of a love triangle. Bella just saw an easier life with him, but i don't remember her ever telling him that he had a chance and every time he adamant that she was in love with him too but didnt know it (all that gaslighting made me sooo mad btw) she always turned him down.
anyway im so glad someone is talking more in depth about this series! i just binged all the other videos, i cant wait for the next one hahaha
thank you so much for making them!!
Thank you for your honest discussions about these movies and books. I love it!
The kiss scene between Jacob and Bella before the battle is even worse than StephAnya described. Bella doesn't just kiss Jacob so he doesn't hate her for being engaged, Jacob actually threatens suicide by battle so she kisses him out of manipulative guilt to prevent him from dying. That's HELLA gross. 🤢🤮
I’m ngl I didn’t even read the books and I thought this was actually in the movie😭
When I was younger I just knew that Rosalie was trying to keep basic Bella from becoming a Bad B*tch.
When she just wanted to save her life lol.
😂 now this is a theory haha
Right !!! And then she confessed she’s jealous she wanted the human life so bad 😅😢😮
I really wish there were videos like these when I was younger. I ended up finding an Edward and it’s eye opening knowing that I was obsessed with this series that glorified toxic relationships
This is SO important. Especially if we aren’t being taught and/or having conversations with our parents about what it means to be in a healthy partnership.
I hope you are doing better now & healing ❤️🩹
@@ambriaashley3383 not really bc I’m married to him 🤣 probably will heal after we’re divorced
Lmfao I seeked a toxic relationship so bad as a teen which lead me to a cycle all because of this god dam series
Like without realizing it was toxic I thought it was “love”
Did Jacob say something that was not ok? Absolutely. But Edwards actions were repeatedly not Ok and abusive…honestly Bella needed to be single for a while
Yes but Jacob imprinted on a new born and that is just eww
@@ms.shineraynot his choice tho
@@terickastidbits2342nah idc, you can walk away from that 😅 if you’ve imprinted on a baby, then just accept that you’ll be lonely forever and at least won’t be a pedo
He both said and DID things that weren’t okay - aka kissing her w/o her consent (when she was very clear about not wanting it) which is sexual assault. And his “you know you want to be with me” speeches which is another red flag. Totally agree she’s better off single. Both men were trash in relationships
@@ambriaashley3383 exactly people that defend Jacob are just mad weird, both guys are a no for me
I think Meyer destroyed Jacob's character because she was trying to reach an originally planned end when her story had already changed directions. She first wrote the series as two books, giving the second one to her sister with no plans for it to ever see the light of day. (It wasn't YA friendly.) Then when Twilight was going to be published, she sat down to properly write an extended, YA friendly continuation.
The problem is Jacob hijacked the story. This probably sounds really weird if you've never written before, but characters and interactions kind of have a mind of their own. I had this happen to me in a book where I had a throwaway side character and the main character started flirting, and then he ended up being a major plot point. It just happens.
My guess is she wanted to use Jacob as the motorcycle plot device, and then they just had such chemistry. He's a sweet guy, and so he noticed the things like she didn't like music. And Bella was just comfortable and relaxed around him. It's why you can feel so strongly about Team Jacob in New Moon - he's the better option for her, because she's happier and a complete human when around him.
The problem though is Meyer didn't want her to be with him, she had the end planned and was going to make it go that way no matter what. The only way to do that is to completely change Jacob's character to make him a different person. She had to shoe horn in the ending she wanted, and that's why it feels so out of character, because it had to be manipulated to get to that end.
The only comment that makes sense thank you so much😊
I feel this so much, especially with the whole "baby sire imprinting thing", because no matter which way you look at it, it's WIERD. I feel like she didn't plan for him to be so tied to Bella but also didn't want him to be with anyone else. Because he had imprinted on Leah for example, he wouldn't be anywhere near Bella or the story. So she used the imprint baby thing, probably because he was so popular and fan reactions imo
I am LOVING this analysis!
I never thought about what CAUSED Jacob’s change (even though I read the books as well) I always assumed that Jacob was hiding that side of himself, rather than seeing how he could’ve “changed” due to his heartbreak and disappointment
(Sorry for the mistakes I will make since I'm not an native english speaker). I don't know if it was really because he has hid this part of him. The analyze in the video makes a lot of sense. But I also think that an important aspect of his change is the fact that he has been part of the pack for a longer time. As it is said a few times in the books, the pack's members think in unison so they are more effective. He's mind has, in a way, been sort of corrupt or brainwash from Sam and the others (and the elders that have teach Sam everything). I found that Jacob in this book/movie sounds a lot like the internal monolgue of Billy that we have discover in Midnight sun. Just my two cents on the subject. Not sure if it makes sense.
I can’t WAIT for you to do Breaking Dawn. That imprinting madness!! 😂And how Jacob was never really in love with Bella, he was drawn to the child she hadn’t even conceived yet.
Wild.
Deeply in love with unfertilized eggs 🤣🤣 I wonder if he would’ve still imprinted if Edward wasn’t the father. Also, vampire baby? Stephanie Meyers was playing in our faces lmaooooo
And the other half of his future-infant-fuckmate was in Edward’s icy sack. The implications….
Not forget about Quil and Claire and the „ideal couple “San and Emily.THe whole imprint think the way Stepahanie present it its creepy as hell.Its like you are trapped somewhere and there is not ecsape from that place.Jacob had said to bella that imprinting is more than love from the frist sigth ,more stronger and he also discribe what Sam feld when afther he vecome wolf when imprint with Emily.He said somethink like He loved Leah,but afther look in Emily eyes that dosnt matter anymore.Emily became his centar of his existense.How is that ok.And think became even more creepy ,when we wete learnig what was Jake thinking while imprint in Nessy.Yikes ,just Yikes.lets be honest ,Steph do the imptinthink stuff only so that Nessy can live and also becuase he wanted Jake to be with her,even when she also admitt that she can see the chemestry that he had with Leah afther they split from Sam pack and had to opportunity to spent more time and bond ect.THis would make a lot more sense ,than him being with nessy,of heck he could b e with someone brand new,but of corse she choiise the more bizare and make you shiver choise.
Thank you for using such popular material to make psychological knowledge accessible! I love you!
Thank you so much for watching!!
I’m reading a twilight fanfic right now and the Edward in that story still did all of the controlling things but Carlisle talked to him about how controlling and almost abusive he has been and first he argued but now he is learning and coming to terms with it. It’s so nice to my twilight heart to see him grow
Oh I love that
Which fanfic is that?
I’d like the fic name
I was a very loving person with my ex. His happiness was my priority, and I was thinking of him all the time. Then he ghosted me. When he came back, he told me he met a person and he was trying to find out if it could work... I didn't feel hurt. I felt nauseous and so disgusting by him. I told him never to contact me again and even threatened him when he tried to. I'm surprised with myself, like I became a totally different person, and I lost all empathy for him. Sometimes, I hate him, but most of the time, I don't feel anything. He was the love of my life for 2 years. Now I find him so repulsive. I think I'm broken.
I don’t think you’re broken. Honestly that seems like a Normal response to me. He disrespected you and your relationship so it makes sense to want nothing to with him. Best of luck to you in all you do
You’re not broken. You were betrayed. His unfaithfulness gave you the ick. That is totally normal and justified. I’ve been there too. I hope you are healing well ❤️🩹
That’s a totally natural response to a situation like that! He disrespected you and your relationship, so you wisely refused to let him back into your life! And then you were able to enforce your boundary when he tried to cross the line, which many people aren’t able to do! So well done! Hope you’re able to heal from the whole situation ❤️
Wow, such lovely comments ❤ thank you very much for your warm kindness. Lots of love back to you all :)
This happened to me too, I was so hurt I didn't move. Then after a month he started calling me trying to get me back. I was so angry, I hated him. I've never cared for or dated anyone else. It's like the relationship part of my brain is broken.
I agree with you on Jacob's change, but not on how bad the sentence "better be dead than one of them" is.
See it from Jacob's point of view : Bella WILL be a bloodthirsty killer. She claims to be his best friend, but is willing to turn into his mortal enemy. At that point of the story, Jacob has had little to no connexion to vampires besides Edward, who left her and do seem like a monster incapable of feelings at that point.
Besides, it is impossible to know how much control she will have at first, when she turns. She will likely kill humans because she won't have any control... There's also the fact that becoming a vampire results in more werewolves "turning", see the pain that it causes for Jacob, for Sam and Leah.
Honestly, it's harsh, but I get his point of view. "Better be dead than turning into a cold bloodthirsty monster who will endanger me, my people and the people you claim to care about - ie Charlie".
The rest...Unforgivable, as you said. Besides, painting the Native American as the violent, hot headed, dangerous man against the quiet white dude (who is actually much more dangerous) is terrible.
I mean, even the Cullens were amazed at her level of control upon her turning, so how could we blame Jacob for assuming that she'd turn into a killer in the beginning 😅
Also, the presence of vampires make the young people in the tribe phase. Their lives get derailed by the presence of vampires, who are just another threat to their existence. No one in the book really cares about that. The tribe is just painted as beastly when it is in reaction to a real threat.
Jacob has been trying to save Bella from becoming the undead or being murdered by another vampire. Edward’s been controlling but not particularly good at protecting Bella. Jacob is actually more competent in that way-even Edward admits that in the book: “You stitched her back together.” Edward accepts Jacob’s help on multiple occasions in the movies too.
It’s got to be frustrating. Only in this context is some of Jacob’s possessive and aggressive behavior somewhat understandable, if not right. The kiss, in the book especially, was assault. Charlie should have probably taken him down to the police station and asked Bella if she wanted to press charges. In real life, girls should run from anyone who acts like this. A guy like this has maturing to do and is too volatile for a relationship.
@@nicolestefankofuentes1193I also want to add that members as young as 14 I think, were turning against their will. Like Leah's dad had a heart attack and DIED after her first shift, her bf went missing came back and imprinted on her cousin, the whole pack k ows her thoughts and emotions and judge her for not being happy with how stuff turned out. Like she's lost everything and doesn't even have the privacy of her own thoughts or feelings.
I absolutely love these breakdowns, but I think something that she's missing that's incredibly important is an understanding of vampire and werewolf mythology. She's breaking this down as if they are super humans instead of entirely different races with traits they can't help because of their genetic makeup and culture.
So fascinating about Jessica being a narcissist- I never read Midnight Sun so based off the movies alone I just kinda brushed off her behavior.
Agreed. I read the books a decade ago and never read Midnight Sun, but she always came across as typical self centered, superficial, popular girl. Not a narcissist. It was an interesting insight to listen to!
@@Tazazakshe’s come off way worse when you read midnight sun and see her thoughts through Edward. She was just a nasty vile girl
@@TazazakSame
I actually brought up Jacob kissing Bella in a discussion about battery and consent last week in my Torts class, so it's interesting to hear how the legal aspects compare to psychological aspects on freaking Twilight! Love this so much!!
I am literally in love of how we are all growing up to be lawyers, and doctors and therapists and still include twilight in our lifes
Personally I always had an issue with the way the indigenous people in this book were portrayed, I feel like she did Jacob a disservice and made him weirdly violent and aggressive even with the whole wolf plot.
Also, SM glosses over the fact that the young people of the tribe only phase when vampires are present, and yet Dr. Cullen, who could afford to house his family in any cold rainy place in the world, CHOOSE to live right next to the ONE tribe who must transform in response to them. Yet he’s supposed to be SO principled and ethical. The Cullens know the tribe is threatened by their presence.
All this can be a metaphor for the generational trauma of colonization, except that I don’t think SM picked up on that. The gene mighy go dormant again if the Cullens and Bella moved away. Between this and having to imprint on Bella’s baby, Jacob gets a crappy story arc. His agency is repeatedly taken away. It’s like he is Bella’s perpetual body guard and servant.
This was my thought throughout the entire analysis.
Same, it makes no sense either since they existence to protect humans from vampires. They were just written like that so these rich, white vampires could swoop in and play white knight. They supposedly care bout humans but demonize, degrade and disrespect the wolves by moving to forks even tho they had a treaty with the wolves to stay away
I read that the tribe felt Lautner represented them well in his performance, but they did not appreciate the overt sexualization and trope of violence and aggression in the story. Also, the whole story is built on the presence of the Quileute tribe and their folklore-which is much more interesting than what we see or read-and yet the studio and SM “opted” not to let them sell merch OR compensate them, despite being asked. They need to relocate the community due to climate change too. It’s pretty awful.
@@nicolestefankofuentes1193 that’s terrible!!! Shame on her
Bella not comfortable sharing her engagement with Jacob is sus. The kissing proves it. Bella is no victim and she was playing game. There are three toxic people in this triangle.
Other reviewers have pointed out Jacob ranting about how he's gonna put himself in a dangerous situation and Bella trying to deescalate until she asks him to kiss her, exhausting all else she said.
I totally understand that, that was very wrong of her
I definitely relate to thinking certain things were romantic when I was a teen and then realizing as an adult how unhealthy things were. I'm loving these videos!! Thank you 🙏🏾🙏🏾💚💚
3:23 Either a) Meyer noticed that Jacob was really popular with readers, because of his likeable personality in „New Moon“, & therefore tried to „destroy“ his character, by making him suddenly unlikeable & sexually abusing Bella (by kissing her without her consent). Because she wanted the readers to like Edward more & for the readers to want to see Bella end up with Edward.
or
b) Meyer noticed that a lot of people liked Jacob & tried to make HIM the perfect love interest by making him HER perfect love interest, wich is Edward (since Bella is an obvious self-isert), who’s abusiv, so Jacob also became abusiv.
Yep.
OK but after watching you're video I'm just now realizing how many odd love triangle/unrequited love situations there were.
Jess/Mike/Bella
Bella/Angela/ Eric
Leah/Sam/Emily
I believe it's Midnight Sun that we learn that Rosalie was a little miffed that Edward took interest in Bella but not her. (Not that she even wanted him)
Even though James was dead Riley was unknowing Victoria's "Jacob".
There was also another vampire woman who liked Edward (she doesn't get talked about much).
Even poor Charlie started spending time with Sue after her husband died and Billy was not a fan. (Even though Billy didn't want her)
There were just so many weird romance dynamics.
Maybe Billy feeld weird,becuase its seems that they start dating pretty quackly of maybe that he was seeing his closes friend to date the wife of his now eath friend. I kinda explain his behaviour .
Leah/Sam/Emily o boy the think is that this triangle will be forever unresolved.This imprint stuff mess theire releoship pretty ,pretty badly and or corse the vilian in the eyes of the boys is Leah ,becuase she dont act like some martyr,but actually show normal human reaction good and bad.He still love her and i think that forever he will,but his love to her is eclipse by his imprinted love towards Emily ,i think that this would be case for Leah.Her love may transform in the fature somewhat ,but he will still be special to her.I want her to find normaly someone to fall in love i defnatly dont want her to imprint.There is so much possibility with what can be done with Leah and im afraid that if Step deside to writte a book to her to writte her typical stuff.Emily i cant sad nothink bad about her,but now im seeing her situatinion with sam with diffriend eyes ,When i was little i think that theire story was romantic and ive haven t think about Sam releoship with Leah,but when grow up i find it a lot problematic stuff with them and in general with the impriting.And ,yeh its seems that Emily had a crush on Sam before all this,but she didnt show this and act normal.Sam on the other hand think of Emily as Leah best griend and that was it.
As a 16 year old I was annoyed at Rosalie’s attitude towards Bella cuz it was getting old at this point lol but now as an adult she was just spitting facts telling Bella how she’ll be giving up so much and how she basically sucks at making choices lol I’m much more interested in Rosalie’s character than anybody else’s except maybe Alice.
i feel like the reason bella behaves the way she does has a lot to do with the relationship she had with her mom. a lot of her traits resemble the adult child of a narcissist, or something similar (maybe renee had bpd traits?) the whole premise of her moving had to do with her mom. when she explains to edward why she moved she says it was on her own, so her mom could travel with phil. but a responsible mother would recognize putting the pressure to make that decision on a child not even 18 would be unfair. she’s also really hurt over the fact bella doesn’t share every detail of her life (her relationship with edward) when she shows up at the hospital after the accident. but these things show she sees her more as an “equal”, an extension of herself. the responsibility makes sense it’s not unreasonable for bella to take.
all of that would likely lead to bella feeling doubtful in most of her decisions despite actually having quite a bit more life experience than most people her age, and it would lead her to be attracted to relationships that were stronger willed.
I’m not sure if I agree with the assessment that Renee was a narcissist. It seemed like Renee really wanted Bella to live with her, as Forks was a place Renee had rejected and felt her daughter would feel similarly. But Renee didn’t manipulate her into staying and let her make her own decision.
I think the more accurate reality is that Renee is flighty, which Bella recognizes as a character flaw in her mom. She left her marriage and small town life in Forks and then moved on with Phil, who allows her to travel and experience new things. Charlie reflects stability. Jacob also is somewhat stable. Maybe the reason Bella didn’t choose Jacob is because he’s more similar to the life Renee rejected and subconsciously wants to experience that same freedom her mother eventually did with Phil.
I love that you're talking about these. Everyone is honestly terrible in this book/film. Stephenie has continued to say she's a Jacob shipper, which astonishes me. The one thing I appreciate in the book is that when Edward comes back from hunting, he says he trusts Bella, and she's welcome to be with the wolves as much as she wants. If she says they're safe, he believes her. The animosity is so much less coming from Edward (at least for a long while). It was refreshing. Of course, the movie did away with that.
We (daughter and I) found the series just this past month and it was new for us. Kind of fascinated in a morbid way. The books especially did not age well. I really appreciate the way you talk about the characters as if they were your clients and you essentially call them in to understand what drives their unhelpful and harmful behaviors. You are using empathy but asking for accountability. Great for people to see.
I’m also happy that my teen daughter says she is “Team Sweet Jacob Only.”
She’s sympathetic to wolf Jacob as he is under a lot of otherworldly stress + wolf hormones BUT she would only be interested in the sweet kid who rebuilt the truck as a gift just for his childhood friend(although Bella barely noticed that) or the kid in New Moon who is steadfast and patient and sunny (and who gets to wear clothes) who patiently helped Bella through her depression. My teen says she is really “Team Bella needs a stronger sense of self and to tell these guys to get lost” once the competition for control starts. Who gets married at 18, she says. (She also ships Edward and Jacob. ;) )
One more thing:
The main problem with the books is that SM wants them to also be bodice rippers for teens, so the messaging around consent is conflicting. The main problem with the movies is that they really sexually objectified a teenage boy through body modification, and while he was beautiful, he was before the extra 35 pounds, and we started to feel downright bad for him in Eclipse. “Doesn’t he own a shirt.”
Teenage boys still try to emulate that unsustainable body and I think it’s toxic b/c even the actor has talked about body image and dysmorphia and weird encounters with women old enough to be his mom.
The only reason to watch Eclipse for me is Rose and her whole look, Jasper’s superior hairstyle, Jasper’s backstory and the Jasper/Alice’s interactions when they are training. The man is a SIMP.
And also, how tf they managed to make Jasper’s and Rosalie’s wigs look the best they looked the whole Saga, all the while Alice’s, Esme’s, Carlisle’s and Bella’s wigs looked THAT awful?
This series has been really good. I feel like a lot of us read/watched and loved the series when we were young and naive, and now have complicated feelings about it as adults who can identify the issues.
Subscribing! The particularly maddening thing about the kiss Jacob forced on Bella (aside from the obvious thing) is how he blamed HER for breaking her hand after she punched him. "You broke my hand!" "Bella, YOU broke your hand." Anyway, spot on analysis as always.
I remember the moment I recognized why I hated the big jacob scene of kissing her and saying “you love me you don’t love him” type thing in college on spring break when I was in this exact situation. Like literally to the fuckin t it matched my entire situation and “friendship” with this person. I remember watching and wanting to cry tbh bc I was so angry and so disappointed. This person was genuinely so abusive to me in like all the worst ways that jacob and Edward had combined and it really messed with me. I’ll tell you this though, it woke me tf up and made me realize it wasn’t okay 😭
I’m so sorry he treated you so horribly. 😢 I hope you are doing better now and are healing from the damage he inflicted.
@@Tazazak he’s since been out of my life almost 4 years now and some days are definitely hard but therapy has really helped me begin healing🫶🏻 thank you for your kindness you sweet person
@@Thatgenderconfused3mo I’m glad to know you’re well on your way in your healing journey. 💜 Continued best wishes that you’ll heal and have a happy life!
I always thought that Edward thought that Bella had been convinced that marriage wasn’t so bad by seeing Renee remarry happily and seeing the Cullen couples who were also married. I think he felt pretty awful when he realized that Bella was going along to get along, and that he may have inadvertently forced her into marriage when that wasn’t necessary. As always, great video and great discussion!
I decided to rewatch the series with my best friend after seeing your videos, and I'm having so much fun! Eclipse was the one we saw most recently, and we were just laughing at all of the characters dumb choices 😂 I love the series, for nostalgia reasons but also it's genuinely entertaining no matter how much time passes, and being back in it feels good. your commentary is amazing and very insightful!
I think the only thing I’m not mad at is Edward wanting a wedding and to get married despite Bella not wanting it. He’s a traditional guy and I don’t think I’d really wanna turn someone if we aren’t gonna be together forever either lol. Sometimes a compromise has to come in if y’all really wanna be together and I’ve seen more than a few people have to make that compromise or break up. Really depends.
I haven’t read the books or seen the movies in over a decade so I could be wrong, but that whole thing was like the only time they actually compromised fairly equally for each other. Edward wanted anyone else but himself to change her, and she didn’t want to get married. She insisted that he changed her and he insisted they get married first. Compromise on both ends, they both gave up something important to them to get something important to them. Weird situation, maybe still not the healthiest, but at least they both compromised lol.
Jacob was still a child, with raging hormones and a lot going on (wolfing, vampires). I think the moods are not weird for him at all.
I have known multiple guys acting out like that
And they’re assholes. I’ve known many guys who were hormone-ridded teens, and they still understood NO.
As a mother of a teenage boy, I completely agree
Yes it's more realistic to have him go through those moods
Thank you sooo much for this insight. I liked Jacob at first and then when I arrived at the 3rd book I hated both of the love interests. I dispised Bella for being a push over in all situations. Then the love triangle was annoying. It's beyond unrealistic. Then the controlling nature of Edward was driving me nuts. I severely disliked Edward. I read the book when I was 14 and it did not change.
If you have a moment I would love for you to do a breakdown about the character Leah, who done so wrong in the movie AND the books.
Like she's the only female in HISTORY to be a shifter, Seth was her bf of 3 years when he shifted and went missing for 2 weeks, so when finally returned home he had a personality change and no explanation. So she gives him space to deal with his issues and the next things she knows is that her cousin Emily comes to visit, Sam imprints on Emily asap. And on the same night he dumps Leah and Emily tells her that Sam is trying to date her now. So her ex gets with her cousin (who he accidently hurts after a shift), Leah suffers from mood swings and shifts for the first time. Which causes her own father to suffer a heart attack and DIE because he witnesses it happening. So she's forced into the telepathic link with her ex Seth, along with the whole pack reading her as well. And they don't like her because she's upset and angry, and she couldn't even leave and go solo.
Hey! I touch on this in the first Breaking Dawn video. She’s been dealt a rough hand in this story.
I love Rosalie and I'm so glad that you talk about her because she has many layers and it's not so black and white with her.
What a coincidence I was binging your videos earlier! My birthday is soon and your video about birthday anxiety made me feel a lot better 🎂
Oh I’m so glad. I hope your birthday is peaceful 🫶🏽
20:44 thank you for talking about how the narrative around romance and what you should want in a partner was fed to us differently when the books/movies came out compared to now. Cos yeah, I heard a lot that that’s the type of person you should want (that’s how they show they love you) and now can see it’s very unhealthy.
Edit: this is looking at both sides, Jacob and Edward cos I used to be team Edward and when I got older looking back was like ew eddie. ew.
When you’re done with this series I would love your opinion on the Netflix show “My Happy Marriage” it’s a period anime on the relationship dynamic with This depressive girl who gets into a healthy relationship with someone she was married off too. It’s soooo good. I think you’ll enjoy it. ❤
Ohhh that does sound interesting. Thank you!
@@StephAnyayes please review! It’s so goodn
Omg what a great sugestion i love that anime, i started reading de manga first, but when i found out that it would become an anime i was so happy, like its truly shows the construction of a romantic relationship.
I love that anime! I’ve been waiting for more episodes to come out so I can have a mini binge watch and not watch only an episode each week lol
Perfect suggestion! There's also plenty of episodes to make extended content to deep dive and analyze at length and with detail
yayyyy!👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 please continue doing this series, I love how you analyze and the actual relationships present!
i would love to see more therapist breakdowns of movies/tv shows once you finish the Twilight series!!
@26:34 Is where the Advert for Mormonism kicks into gear. Alice becomes Bella's Trainer for the role of Sister Wife as this and the next book progress.
I think Jacob changing so much between New Moon and Eclipse is supposed to be partially the supernatural effect. Imo, Stephanie Meyer wrote it with the intention that turning into a wolf/coming of age for Jacob involved him becoming more "dominant" and "animal like" and the hatred of vampires being instinctual. Because of being in Bella's POV / arguably not great world building viewers often try to treat the vampires and wolves as a little too human. But the story is a lot more interesting and things make more sense if you genuinely view them all as predators and Bella as prey.
28:00ish: re: the discussion of the marriage ultimatum vs. having sex. I think it's okay for Edward to say "I want to be married before we have sex" and it's okay for Bella to say "I don't believe in marriage so I don't want to do it." In a healthy couple, that would be a discussion, and possibly a (hopefully amicable) breakup because they realize they want incompatible things.
To play that forward a couple moves, they both might realize they can't stand being apart so they come back and renegotiate, and maybe we end up in the same place with them married, etc., but without the emotional blackmail of the original story.
TL/DR: I do enjoy Twilight as brain candy but I do wish it modeled healthier relationship dynamics.
I don’t see Edward coercing Bella either, even regarding turning her. Bella had no right to push him when there were others who were willing. She pushed and wanted him to do what he didn’t want to do, and so he placed a condition on it. If she wasn’t pushing him, then his actions would be assholish. But she’d not innocent in this. She’s so conceited and entitled that she saw no problem with barging into their home after not seeing them for so long, and, rather than being so happy they’re back and focusing on that for a while, forced them to vote then and there on giving her what she wanted.
I never enjoyed Twiight because I was concerned VERY early on that there were going to be girls who had these relationships reinforced as the ideal. Fantasy becomes reality when people are told in real life that this thing is good. Even in this comments section, there are people who’ve mentioned molding relationships after Twilight and not seeing the toxicity.
Idk how true this is but I always heard that Stephanie Meyer wrote twilight to be a standalone, and then she wrote the wedding from breaking dawn as a follow up. But when she got an agent, they wanted her to make it a series. So Jacob wasn't even a character at first, and she definitely didn't ever really think of him as a serious love interest imo
So goad this was covered. Even when I read the book when I was younger, I was still able to recognise how absolutely controlling Edward was, like the lengths he went to make sure that Bella couldn't hang out with Jacob... I remember even feeling so frustrated at the scene in the book when Edward gave Bella the choice to keep her window locked if she didn't want him to come inside (after he disconnected her trucks cables) and she closes it-but opens it a second later. She was WAY too lenient with him!
Thanks for being on the toxic person's side too and not just clout chasing by completely devaluing them like most youtube therapists/psychologists I've seen
One downside of watching these videos: I get the theme song stuck in my head all day! Great breakdown. Loved the discussion of control and values as ultimatums.
I hoped this would be soon! Can't wait! *6:51** waiting until 7 vibrations*
obviously the books are fictional but these observations are so important to pick up on and reflect in real life relationships! thank you for making these videos ❤ very fun to watch and informative
I’m so glad that you’re enjoying them ♥️
Let’s not forget had Bella not gotten pregnant and was going to die after birth, Edward would’ve held off changing her for a couple of more years after she actually compromised and got married.
I LOVE your videos ! So refreshing to see someone who looks like me breaking down these topics 🤎
Please keep making videos like this❤❤ the terms you use make so much more sense for me when you apply it to situations in movies or shows
Thoughts on imprinting: i haven’t read the book in a while but in the movie jacob says something like you’ll be anything for that person: a brother a sister a friend a lover… so TECHNICALLY they’re suppose to be a strong support system for that other person and if they both mutually decide to be together they can??? but SM seemed to sell the view that they all end up as couples eventually. it would have been nice to see an imprinting bond in the story not end up as a relationship… especially when kids were involved…
My daughter’s middle name is Rosalie! Partly inspired by the character, but mostly because it’s a beautiful name.
I really liked her character. I felt like she came from a place of maternal protection for Bella. Seeing Bella as herself and the opportunities she lost as well as a potential daughter she could’ve had. (At least from my memory)
The thing for me in regards to Bella's feeling for Jacob, is the 13 pages 'breakup' they go through after Jacob is hurt by the neofit. He promises to still be there for her until her heart stops beating, but she says "how can we still be friends, when we love each other like this?". To me, its heartbreaking how they are crying in each other's arms about loving each other deeply, admitting to being in love actually, but not being "able to be together" because she LOVES Edward.
I juat found out that Jacob wasn’t even suppose to be even a minor character after Twilight.
The publishers wanted more of him so he played a bigger role in New Moon. Then everyone fell in love with him because overall he is a wayyyy better partner than Edward will ever be. She had to ruin him in the last two books.
The whole baby thing is uncalled for and makes zero sense when you breakdown why they imprint. It’s suppose to pass on the best genes to make even better and more wolves. That can’t happen with Nessie, she’s gonna eventually stop growing nd aging; therefore she will not be able to give birth.
Great video !
I used to read Twilight as a kid, but not as a plot, but rather some other issues. I have a warm feeling towards the book, since if it didn't exist, I probably won't be here today. I don't remember the plot much, just how I turned the pages for basic soothing, but was never a fan, and just read it because my mom used to read it and I wanted to check it out of curiosity. The thirst for violence was something young me found relatable in Edward, and still do to some degree, and I understand how all encompassing it is, and agree with Edward on the no sex before marriage thing. To me, it just seems like a relationship that is emotionally distressing for both. And wanting to hurt someone even if it's against your values is very emotionally distressing. It's a choice to act upon it, but I see it more as succombing to temptation, and that thirst for violence can be all incompassing. Verbalizing it is important to some degree, especially if you don't know how long you'll be able to control yourself. Being tempted impulsively so to do something against one's values is very distressing. Together with his attraction for Bella. I don't think Edward would be happy in this relationship.
Personally, I am more of a Harry Potter girl. It got some great stuff to analyze, maybe the Dursleys are an interesting pick for a relationship therapist.
Me too. I was never interested in the romance aspect of the series. What drew me in was how Bella felt like she didn't belong anywhere. Which I can still kinda relate to this day but I'm comfortable with being able to socialize with people now and not expecting deep friendships.
Obviously I stayed for the vampires.
I can't wait for your next video on these books/movies! I'm really interested to hear what you have to say about Charlie and how Bella and others treat him in Breaking Dawn.
These are so good! I've never seen you before but I really love a psychological breakdown of my favorite movies like this. Huge plus plus bonus points that you're actually a fan and do comparison of the books with the movies! You even read Midnight Sun!
I watched the Therapist Reacts videos with Jonathan and Alan and love their content but they are not fans, nor have either of them read the books so you have a huge advantage there.
I look forward to seeing more like this from you! ❤️
Glad that you're enjoying them! Thank you so much ❤
I think about the stage that all the vampires where in when they turned, and Rosalie was at a point in her life where her humanity was the strongest and then to have such a horrific thing happen to her and then be turned without a chance for counseling was just crazy. I always thought to myself what was Carlisle thinking? The mate for Edward, just doesn’t fly for me. He didn’t know her, he just saw someone who suffered from an abusive situation like his wife, but it was still drastically different. It made it seem like men see the abusive situations of women threw one lens, which is problematic. Rosalie was frozen in her grief of what she had loss and she said that things got better after Emmett, but imagine being your wife’s forever counselor. Imagine his relief when Renesme came along, but that is a whole other issue.
Rosalie is still so weird to me because of the reason she turned Emmett. It’s not discussed in the movies but in the book, when she’s having the heart to heart with Bella and you’re finding out her backstory she says that she found Emmett after he was attacked by a bear and the reason she turned him was because she saw the curly haired boy with dimples she’d never get to have. Like… you saw this guy as a form of a son you’d never have but you also then married him?
Idk I still think that’s kinda sweet, it’s not like she saw him as a son when she got to know him, it was just a fleeting thought
LOVE that you’re diving into this series and have been waiting for this video! I only read & watched Twilight growing up because my sister was completely obsessed. I just wanted to see what the fuss was about. I deeply disliked Bella for most of the series but enjoyed the way she found herself as a vampire in Breaking Dawn pt 2. I actually think that’s the best movie in the series as well.
LOVED the way you spoke about Bella parenting her parents in the first book/video. I think there is more to explore there. How Bella is so needy/dependent on Edward modeling how her mother manages her relationship. We see this same dynamic (of course) with Ana in 50 Shades of Grey. The ways absent mothers leave their daughters vulnerable to manipulative/controlling partners. Thoughts?
In a future video, would love to hear your POV on the Michelle Carter/Conrad Roy III case. I just watched the documentary and the Hulu series “The Girl from Plainville” based on this and I think there are similar themes to explore re: depression, teenage relationships, parental absence, etc. I know this is a real case with real people as opposed to the fantasy of Twilight but with our obsession with true crime, these stories are hard to ignore. Another one is the story of Betty Gore and Candy Montgomery as seen in the Hulu series “Candy” and/or the HBO Max series “Love & Death”
This series is giving me LIFE! Serious analysis of fluff content is my favourite thing in the world ❤️ This video was the highlight of my day!
To be fair, Bella had to become a vampire in order for the Volturi to not kill her. Edward was basically at a crossroads.
Completely unrelated to Twilight series - would love your POV on codependency & friend-to-lover movie plots. Two prime examples are in Friends with Kids (2012) and Sleeping with Other People (2015) but honestly there are many of these lol.
i LOVE this series! I hope you also cover life and death. It would be interesting to know if the subtle differences from twilight changes any of your thoughts.
I'm sorry but everyone going on and on about Edward pushing for marriage being soooo bad annoys me and sounds so ridiculous considering that heffer is wanting to literally "die", leave her family and make them think she's dead so she can be with him for "eternity". I'm sorry but I feel like her arguments are a moot point and make no sense. I feel like Edwards points are a lot more valid than hers and make more sense overall. He's a lot more traditional and being married was probably a dream of his. How is that different from any woman wanting their dream wedding and saying that they want you to put a ring on it or they walk. People usually applaud those women for having standards but for him it's wrong. Okay. Also him saying if she wants to be a vampire then he wants to be married is not horrible. Turning her is something he is 100% against because of his belief that she would lose her soul and he would be taking her away from her family and a future she could have otherwise had. That is a big deal for him and here she is giving bullshit statistics about divorce ratings when she literally is asking to go through an agonizing change that will stop her heart, cause her to crave blood like no one's business for eternity and cause her parents untold pain when she leaves and they have to fake her death. WTF. Also him being against having sex with her while she is human is completely valid considering he was still struggling with the smell of her blood but also he doesn't want to possibly hurt her or lose control. Edward and Jacob definitely have their issues but we can't sit here and act like Bella doesn't either. I'm not sure if it was talked about in the books because I only read the first one but the fact that there is really no consideration given to the pain her decision would cause to her parents bugs the shit out of me. So yeah. This was really the only point I had an issue with of the video. Edward wasn't the only one badgering. Bella was doing it too and it was something that really conflicted with his belief. But again, NO ONE mentions this. They only talking about Edward doing this. ugh. Sorry. I'm not a fan of Edward (he bores me) or Jacob (little brother chemistry to me) but Bella irks the shit out of me as well. They all need therapy. lol.
When you talked about how Edward made a lot of decisions for Bella it made he think of that scene in breaking dawn part 1 when Edward snapped at her for wanting to keep the baby and said “ you decided this all on your own”
Finally. I was waiting for you
Me too!! :)
Thank you for being patient! It’s been a wild couple of weeks.
@@StephAnyait’s okay and I love your videos. You are making my day and you are kinda my psychiatrist HAHA.
Alsooo… ATE THE BRAIDS
I think another reason for Jacob's change was also that he's a werewolf, so not only is he dealing with that but also now his private thoughts are no longer his own. Combine that with everyone else's thoughts in the pack sound exhausting. It's a lot for a 16 year old boy.
Edward had a right to lay out his standards in the relationship...no sex before marriage...marriage in order to turn her into a vampire. Bella didn't have to except the offer. Like he said "compromise".
Thank you so much for the structure of your videos, an inspiration!
Aw thank you 🥹
I am LOVING this series!!! Watching the Twilight Saga along with you so it's fresh in my mind when your next video comes!
Aw, I love that!
If you've watched The Vampire Diaries....would you do a breakdown of it as well? I know it may be a bit crazy of a concept because there are 8 seasons of the show, but I'd love a breakdown of it because I love the way your mind works and how thoroughly you're able to articulate everything.
I’m working my way through your channel and saw this series and thought how disturbing these movies were to me when I rewatched them in my 30s vs late teens…
But your practical advice your giving ..! I really wish I had you to listen to 10-15 years ago😞
I wish I could find a therapist like you!
But age and time can help to
I remember when I read Eclipse for the first time and about the kiss. Mostly I remember how disgusted I was with Charlie for saying 'good for you, son' about Jacob forcing Bella to kiss him. He would have wanted Bella to be with Jacob, sure, but still. If he had been my father I would've never forgiven him.
i was shooked!!!
I can’t wait for you to talk about Jacob imprinting on their baby. That’s so fucking creepy
I’m so glad I’m (almost) early. I still love Twilight but I love this series so much😭
I still love it too. Thanks for watching 🫶🏽
Unrelated to this video, I would love to see more videos on green flags in relationships! I really enjoyed watching your video of Tiffany & Brett from LIB :)
I loveeee thisss but girllll Jacob literally threatened to kill himself just to get Bella to kiss him and Edward reveals later that he would have forced himself on her again even if she didn’t consent to kissing him. Jacob was on something in Eclipse!!!
I missed that part. My cousin said..."Jacob was nice until he didn't get his way"...or the girl...which I agree with. I didn't feel he was as nice of a guy as Team Jacob made him out to be. At least Edward, never tried to overpower Bella. That's a red flag. Edward & Alice was right to warn Bella against Jacob.
@@kaisofine yea it was only clear in the books though. Right before the fight he says “there’s a pretty dangerous fight brewing down there, it wouldn’t be too hard to take myself out of the equation” he goes on saying that if Bella doesn’t want him to kill himself than Bella needs to do something to prove she wants him alive, which ended up being for her to ask him to kiss her. Then after the fight when he’s in bed injured Bella says “at least Edward didn’t say he’d kill himself just to kiss me” but she wasn’t mad at him… and for the life of me I don’t understand why
@@charlottedomingos9437 oh OK
Yup. Super disgusting and dangerous irl
That wasn’t consent. Consent needs to be freely given, not coerced. If a man holds a gun to your head and tells you you’re going to have sex with him, and you do, you didn’t give consent just because you weren’t physically held down. You were coerced, and that’s still rape. Bella didn’t consent to either kiss.
I don’t even need to watch the video, your face on the thumbnail said it all for us lol. I remember loving the books like an idiot until Jacob imprinted and that snapped me right out of it and I went “oh yeah… she’s a Mormon)
You mentioned one of my biggest frustrations I felt while reading the books. I got tired of everyone else telling Bella how to live her life. Also, I enjoy SMeyer's story telling even though her characters are deeply flawed.
I used to think she was so good, but looking back at how she glorified toxic relationships, age gaps (in her other projects too), how poorly she wrote all the indigenous characters, glorified a Confederate soldier 😒 and wrote about his ex gf in the book “even the Mexican vampire was beautiful” I think she has deep seated race and gender issues. It makes me look down at her writing after noticing it all
Not to mention apparently she was very against having any POC in the original Twilight film. Saying things like she didn’t see Angela or Mike or w/e that person name is as Latino, Asian, or black 😢 or anything other than white
This is gonna be good 😌🔥
31:32 Edward did that to hurt Jacob on purpose. He knew it would upset him which is another insight to Edward’s narcissism and controlling nature.
Jessica being the narcissistic is the plost I never saw coming😂❤.
Same here! I did not see this at all!
I didn't have so much of a problem with Edward. I my problem was Bella. She was hard-headed in Eclipse. Alice & Edward told her that the wolves were uncontrollable and temperamental. Edward knew Jake had feelings for Bella. Plus, Jacob made it very clear he had feelings for her. At some point she being older should have put distance between herself and Jacob. I found myself annoyed at times that Edward was tolerating Bella's behavior. Not to blame the victim. Jacob definitely assaulted Bella, but Edward warned her to leave Jacob alone. Bella should have spent more time with Angela & Leah. They were the only characters who told Bella the cold truth. Charlie pushed Jacob on Bella to slow down Edward's relationship with her. Smh.
And to think-the people are are supposed to dislike are Charlie, Leah, Angela, and Rose, yet they’re the only decent ones.
@noelletakesthesky3977 I understood & respected Rose's point about Bella staying a human. But Charlie lost points with me. In Eclipse, the book, Charlie displays a "boys will be boys" mentality and laughs when Jake tells him Bella punched him after their "kiss". I didn't like that. And Charlie was more concerned with Edward threatening Jacob after the "kiss". He wasn't as concerned about his daughter being assaulted, maybe because Jake is 2 yrs younger. 🤔
Edward, and Alice, constantly violates bella's consent and autonomy so him warning about Jacob or whatever just comes off as hypocritical especially since Edward has also kissed her without consent but he isn't demonized for it by bella or by Stefanie Meyer cuz he's white. The lack of awareness about how deeply r@cist it is that Jacob and wolves are all written to have uncontrollable rage even tho it directly contradicts their purpose, which is to protect human, while the exclusively white vampires, who show little to no regard for human life unless they deem that human important, are painted as the saviors is bizarre
Jacob is def in the wrong at times but he's a 16 yo boy written r@cistly while Edward is a 106 yo white, billionaire, mind reader who has multiple degrees and 80 years of life experience yet he behaves worse than Jacob and isn't demonized the same way
@dekuquan7010 when did Edward kiss Bella without consent? I know in New Moon, she asked him not to kiss her, and he stopped. Book has plenty of evidence that Bella wanted a physical relationship with her BF Edward.
@dekuquan7010 On race...story is Eurocentric leaning. However, there werewolves are depicted as losing control of their tempers in other movies or shows. Just like vampires stalk their subjects of interest.
Thank you for your insight and character interpretations. I watched the movies when released but you inspire me to read the books.
Can’t wait for the next ones 😁
I was sooo delulu as a kid 😢
Thanks for analyzing these movies AND including the differences between the characters in the films and their book counterparts.
When the books came out, I read all of them and I watched all the movies, except the last. As the books continued, I began to dislike Edward and was firmly Team Jacob, even though I knew Bella would choose Edward. I genuinely thought when Imprinting was being introduced that Jacob and Leah would Imprint on each other and they would both find a way to be happy. I was so disappointed 😞 😔.
Anyway, I love your videos and I look forward to hearing your thoughts about the next two films
That would have been amazing wouldn't it! Even with Jacob being so mean in his head towards Leah in the beginning, could have been a setup to an enemies to lovers kinda thing but no... Meyer seems to have a personal issue with Leah, the poor girl 😢😅
@@xLiLlyx98 I didn't think about it as Enemies to Lovers, but it does fit. Stephenie Meyers could have written a whole other series about Leah and Jacob coming to grips with the Imprinting and facing the consequences of a world post the Volturi conflict. They could learn to heal and forgive. Ooh, that would have been great!
@@Ka16Ky28 but to be honest, we shouldn't expect anything from an author with such blinders on that she can only see the angsty romance in the middle. No exploration of deeper themes than what she sees as all-consuming love
Ooh I would totally read a book about Jacob and leah imprinting
@@samanthaerulastiellewis789 And I mean if the imprinting thing is a biological mechanism to ensure the best likelihood of passing on the werewolf thing, wouldnt two werewolves imprinting make like a super werewolf? And if meyer wanted to absolutely continue her saga, have them have a son who then falls in love with renesmee which makes the whole battle between werewolves and vampires even more dramatic :D (and also way less creepy in all directions, with the imprinting on a newborn being out of the way and no weird son-in-law situation with Bella and Edward..)
I am curious if we did not only follow Bella’s perspective, if we Jessica as less narcissistic.
Bella isolated herself for months and refused to hang out with anyone. Than out of nowhere, she decides to hang with Jessica again. I wonder if Jessica was just fed up with everything because Bella kind of uses her and even when they hang out, Bella is not into it.
The validation could be insecurity which some narcissists have. And her friends just being infatuated with Bella could have led to more insecurity.
I can see her as both a normal teenager with low self-esteem or narcissistic depending on who you follow in the story.
I agree. Jessica was definitely insecure but I never felt like she was narcissistic in the movies. In the books it's a different story but in my opinion, the movies never portrayed Jessica as a narcissist but more like an insecure teen sizing up the new girl Bella before deciding to befriend her.
I also saw Jessica’s “lack of empathy” as her getting tired of the entire damned world catering to Bella while Bella was never expected to give anything to anyone in return, which makes Bella selfish and an emotional sinkhole. While Jessica was supposed to be sympathetic to Bella, Bella checked out for months and wasn’t there for anyone else. Bella never, ever had sympathy for anyone. Bella should get it all from everyone, and shouldn’t have to give any, and the ONE person who points out to Bella that they ALL have problems, not just Bella, is narcissistic? No. Jessica was just tired of the expectation that she set aside her own problems to cater to Bella, who never cared for anyone else in return. (Even Edward was a means to an end for Bella, and that was supposed to be “love.”)
@@Trulymimi17 Agreed. I find it appalling that Jessica is being called narcissistic for her “lack of empathy” even though Bella NEVER gave any to her friends. Why is it wrong to not empathize with Bella when Bella doesn’t care about Jessica, Angela, Mike, or anyone else? She cares so little that she forgets about them when they’re no longer needed to prop her up. Jessica’s right that they all had their problems, but Bella cared so little that she didn’t even notice. Jessica’s not wrong at all for basically telling Bella that Bella needs to give sometimes instead of always just taking and thinking about only herself.
I feel like Jacob’s character transformation is pretty much just a reaction to the fandom elevating Jacob into a romantic role that is in the running against Edward. I said this in a comment on the last video, but I think it’s interesting that Jacob is named after Stephenie Meyer’s brother. I think this created a more three-dimensional character who has a lot of nuance and gentleness, probably based in her relationship with her brother. But when the fandom saw him as an attractive figure who could offer a different but beautiful future for Bella, she wanted to course correct without hurting the character. So she gave him a lot of new characteristics that are similar to how she portrays Edward; powerful, dangerous, and possessive. But changing him in such a way to make him a more direct rival to Edward by displaying some of these traits also destroyed a lot of the kindness and consideration that people found attractive in Jacob in the first place.
I also think the imprinting thing was a way for her to have Jacob ultimately be rejected without “hurting” him, but it has the side effect of making his love for Bella all along seem like it wasn’t genuine in the first place, which is not a great environment for the character and I think it bothered a lot of fans (and not just because imprinting on an unconceived baby seems weird and creepy). It felt like a lazy way to get Jacob out of the running because Stephenie Meyer never intended him to be a romantic interest and didn’t understand really why people loved him so much as a romantic partner for Bella specifically, because in a narrative sense Bella represented Stephenie Meyer and Jacob represented her brother.
This is a really interesting and informative breakdown of the story, thank you so much for analyzing and sharing it!
Meyer butchered Jacob’s character after new moon. I loved him for Bella. He was the healthier choice because he aligned with her humanity. Tbh i think fan pressure led her to picking Edward in the end, and id bet on it based on the convoluted plot in breaking Dawn, It felt shoddy and twelfth hour.
"Esclipe is so dumb!" And that's the reason why I stopped reading Twilight Series and particularly from the scene that Bella kissed Jacob so that he wouldn't be mad at her getting married with Edward.
I’m not sure if you liked the show, but I’d love to see an analysis like this on the relationships in a Gilmore Girls.
Yes! :)
I like your well balanced evaluation of these books😊
As a voracious reader of supernatural books. I always wonder why in those who mourn not being able to have children, why not adopt? If vampirism is put aside.
Really loving your breakdown videos on these books and movies, I was obsessssed as a teenager and it's so cool to reflect back on them through a different lens, so thank you!😀
I LOVE THIS, I wish this could be a series, would love the analysis for 50 shades of grey that happens to have started as a fanfic for Twilight