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@@TheFlanman10I have been thinking about a 6.5-06 with the same set up by them....They did some GREAT work on a couple of old Remmies I have...Remages....Shooters..
Erik, your interviews just keep getting better and better. People need to get on board, “Just Saying” Thanks to both you and Gavin, tremendous interview and information!! Thanks
Erik you and Jason need to travel up the Gavin’s range and you all come up with a some kind of shooting match competition and film it for us to see the outcome.
Fantastic video! Gavin your videos are so much more enjoyable when you’re not just trying to sell other companies stuff. It’s good to hear your actual opinions. As for Erik…love that guy lol. I saw in his comments section a few weeks ago a guy telling him he needed to talk to a gunsmith about his cleaning procedures. Erik’s response…ever talk to a good one 😂.
When I started my journey in f-class and reloading Erik and Gavin were my to go guys. It's great to see how they have been progressing still producing quality content for our community. Congrats on the new gunsmithing venture!
As a hobbyist and student of gunsmithing (Trinidad 91-94) and cnc operator at Maryland Gunworks, I have always wanted more info on Precision Rifle building. You guys , (Eric and Gavin) have both helped a lot of people through the You tube videos. Looking forward to learning more in the future. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experiences.
Remember metal that the barrels are made from are made of different material. One barrel to the next could be little harder or little softer in places. So could copper easier or harder in places and yes harmonics could be off cause Barrel little less stiff in different places.
The standard .0005" over bullet diameter freebore is fine, so long as other vital steps are followed to ensure the reamer is cutting straight and true. Some gunsmiths with go with .001+ diameter to compensate for getting slight off-center reamer cutting........people commonly refer to the reamer "chattering" in that area.......but it is more from interrupted cutting.
Great to see Gavin on the podcast. Gotta be one of my favorite episodes yet! Thanks Erik. I had a rifle which shot 1.25moa groups with one brass, then .75moa AND 3.5” up and left with another. Not impressed and gonna rebarrel, but here’s the interesting part: the groups POI shift was extremely and perfectly repeatable. Since this “double grouping” is an accuracy issue, not a precision issue, group size is irrelevant. If charge weight didn’t fix it, it’s definitely not a typical harmonics issue. A tuner and seating adjustment are really only good for fine tuning a good load. Crap in crap out. I’m wondering if something about the brass lot or prep just didn’t agree with that barrel…? Any thoughts?
If I had a nickel for every technical term I didn't understand on this one, I'd have made some money on this one! I'm going to have to rewatch this one when I've got a machinist in the room.
All the big economists are saying this year will be worse than last year.Their not doing anything to make it better their going on like they are except they just passed another 1.7 Trillion bill and what does that do makes inflation worse so only thing their doing is making it worse. All plants here in bama had 2 huge layoffs before Xmas. Am superintendent for rd dpt. We lease Mack dump trucks every 30k miles. Well Mack turned our order down for 6 of them cause said they cannot get the parts for them. So we’re waiting on peterbuilt and KW if they can get us some trucks.
It will be a boring bar if it is held rigidly.......that is why oversize (but concentric) chambers are SO common on CNC lathes. You should ALWAYS pay attention to the diameter of fired brass just forward of the web. It will shoot great.......but good luck sizing that area back down to reality.
Fantastic podcast as always.You guys flow well together with lots of great info . If Erik doesn’t come threw with the BR reamer . I will lone you my BRA reamer if that interests you at all .Gavin I have the bug to start doing my own chambering ,how much to get the tooling that you are using on your channel? Would like a lesson from either of you guys on the lathe.Keep up the great job of sharing with us .Thanks so much
It may be another year or so, but I’d like to talk about a barrel chambered with your BR reamer. In the meantime, I hope this logic works: Only way to get the ‘blue’ brass is to buy complete ammo. Then, after I practice, I’ll have once fired ‘blue’ brass to load up with my ‘yellow’ 108s.
Obviously the charge goes off so fast in the chamber that the brass would swell to creat a tight seal if you’re running .005. But is there any chance gas could pass by the bullet with the extra space until the seal happens. Just had me wondering. Maybe it’s a crazy thought.
Getting me started up again. He we go. I ordered a reamer last year and the maker left out a digit in the throat length, moved the S/N junction to interfere with my donut, and one other little change from my specs. I just couldn’t believe they would have a communication procedure where such critical mistakes could be made. I still wonder if they were hungover on a Monday morning or what. Needless to say, I’ll probably try a different maker next time.
I’m so into your interviews. Every time I pickup another tidbit and tell myself I have to try that!Today’s video now has me wondering about neck turning my brass. Which kinda scares me because the first thing I remember from one of your videos was just get the blue box and the yellow box and you’re good to go! Well I do have blue and yellow but should I take a chance on screwing up my blue box?
Please do that 6,5x55 swede against 6,5 creed comparison. Half of europe, especially althergebrachten swedish guys will hang on the edge of there seats. Me included...
Custom reamers can be a pain in the butt. But I figure the first chambering pays for the tooling. Then after that it’s just profit on that reamer. Coming from someone that has over 80 reamers now haha. Sometime you just want to play with stuff that’s for sure. But I still refuse to own a single Weatherby reamer.
The barrel is a bullet swage that reforms the bullet and the brass. Brass, barrel, bullets. ?The barrel reforms the perfect bullet into a non-perfect bullet. The chamber forms brass into non-perfect brass. The question is, what is changing the least amount during firing in your simple equation for accuracy? The barrel, not the brass or the bullet.
The "Barri-cada" (light 6mm PRS) and the "PR-Stingray" (heavy 30 cal PRS) Mako-Marksman (ELR .375-.416 rifle blue fading two white) Great White Sharkshooter (.50 BMG ELR) yes I know I sound like an 8 year old.
How about delivering it personally from a limo. Presentation seems to be your highest interest. Trust me if it comes in a paper sack I don't care if it's the best thing on the planet but I don't think yours is going to be but your want to charge the money and hope that presentation makes up for it.
.005-.006" clearance on the neck diameter with what neck tension and neck wall thickness? That comment can lead a lot of people down the wrong path if your not giving all the information. You said you turned the brass too thin so was it a combination of say .008" neck thickness with .005" clearance or was it .012" neck thickness with .005" clearance. I assume this could lead to very different results. For round numbers I believe Jack said .011" thickness with .003" clearance. P.S. listening further you talk .270" loaded round with .275" neck. So this 6x47 example it's. 005" clearance with .0135" neck thickness.
Erik Cortina says you need to give your product a great name. So he names his brakes, EC Brakes...... And his 2nd generation, get this.... NextGen. 😂 You sure Erik Cortina of EC Brakes?
@@BelieveTheTarget You told Gavin he should give his products catchy name. Like, The Barracuda. But yet you named your product after your own initial. And your 2nd gen product was called NextGen. Where's the catch name? Also, can you take your PRS Brake off your website since you discontinued them and won't make any more?
I totally disagree, sometimes you guys are not right. I totally respect both of you. But this one thing I can say if you build a 6.5 x55 Swede Ackley improved. Correctly it will be one of the best shooting rifles you have ever had in your entire life. You can't reinvent the wheel sometimes, new was great. I love the 6 mm Creedmoor. But that doesn't mean it's the all time best
Says the guy that has reamers ground to factory unfired brass!!! Good luck getting factory ammo or factory dies to work with that rifle!!! SAAMI specs exist for a reason.......and you are doing the opposite.
I see you making derisive comments or trying to advertise your own products on many gunsmithing videos. So I checked out your channel. Hoping that maybe your apparent arrogance was backed up by corresponding performance. I didn't see one impressively accurate rifle on it. In fact...I'm pretty sure I didn't see one quarter minute group even with three shots. Generally people only show their best results online and if that's your best maybe you should concentrate on getting better before you comment multiple times on every video telling people they're doing it wrong.
The free bore should allow the bullet to exit the soft brass neck and be supported by the steel of the barrel as it is swaged into the rifling. So a long tight freebore would be best for transitioning from the soft brass case to the hard steel of the barrel that swages and reforms the perfect bullet. No one seems to be able to get that through their 🫠.
@@BelieveTheTargeta bullet flies untouched after it leaves the barrel supported by rotation. So you are saying it needs to be supported on the back end by the soft brass that has wobble built into the dimensions, as the bullet is swagged into the rifling? Which is what is being done by every one. ,.,Not using good logic... And they are seating the bullet out to aline the front of cartridge in chamber that has run out built into it, even with perfect fireformed brass that is resized smaller than the fireformed "perfect" state. The bolt ejector plunger and extractor work to set the case at maximum runout in the chamber. Case chamber runout is unwittingly Partially off set by seating the bullet out. Seating the bullet out to the lands causes a big pressure spike and extra stresses on the barrel throat. So the people doing it get to replace the barrel every week. Arbor press bullet seaters use tight tolerance "freebore" to aline the bullet with the case neck. Why would you NOT use the steel freebore of the barrel to support and align the bullet as it is swagged and reformed to the different non precise bullet shape the barrel changes it to??? Instead of relying on the softer than steel, built in chamber run out, brass neck of the case to align the bullet as it is swagged into the rifling. A rifle barrel is a bullet swagging die.
For CNC Gunsmithing, Chad Dixon at Long Rifles Inc. is THE MAN! How about an interview with him?
I just built a .280AI on a Tikka using their tombstone lug.
@@TheFlanman10I have been thinking about a 6.5-06 with the same set up by them....They did some GREAT work on a couple of old Remmies I have...Remages....Shooters..
Mark and sam after work on your podcast
The time difference is a very limiting factor.
Yes!
Erik, your interviews just keep getting better and better. People need to get on board, “Just Saying” Thanks to both you and Gavin, tremendous interview and information!! Thanks
This was the best interview yet with you two.... I loved it. I like both of you guys. Very talented and very helpful info. Keep up the GREAT work!!
Thank you Michael- it is always great to talk with Erik!
I can't get enough of these videos, just a wealth of information to be had. Keep up the great work!
A $500 price hike will definitely scratch Defiance off the list of considerations for the upcoming builds.
Talked to another action company yesterday he said they sold 120 actions to a dealer because what defiance did...
@@SEOKLADUCKIN
They don’t have a choice. Most people aren’t going to eat that kind of jump, especially for a commodity item.
Erik you and Jason need to travel up the Gavin’s range and you all come up with a some kind of shooting match competition and film it for us to see the outcome.
Yes- that would be AMAZING!
Amazing conversation! Thank you two for sharing your knowledge. I could watch this get together every 6mo.
Erik and Gavin Thanks for what you two do for the shooting community!!
Loving all the knowledge Erik. I can't get enough of it.
Fantastic video! Gavin your videos are so much more enjoyable when you’re not just trying to sell other companies stuff. It’s good to hear your actual opinions.
As for Erik…love that guy lol. I saw in his comments section a few weeks ago a guy telling him he needed to talk to a gunsmith about his cleaning procedures. Erik’s response…ever talk to a good one 😂.
Thanks to both of you real interesting as always
When I started my journey in f-class and reloading Erik and Gavin were my to go guys. It's great to see how they have been progressing still producing quality content for our community. Congrats on the new gunsmithing venture!
Two of my favorite TH-cam channels at once… so great..Wish I was on that .223 list :)
As a hobbyist and student of gunsmithing (Trinidad 91-94) and cnc operator at Maryland Gunworks, I have always wanted more info on Precision Rifle building. You guys , (Eric and Gavin) have both helped a lot of people through the You tube videos. Looking forward to learning more in the future. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experiences.
This video was awesome guys so much info as always!!!
This is easily the best session I've seen. At least for me cause there were so many gaps filled. Good stuff.
Long interview, Id stay with one twice as long! Great content and information. Thanks......
This was great, like every video I learned a lot! Appreciate your content!
It is amazing in what you say Erik. I made a big mistake turning my necks 4 thou neck space and I can’t believe how much my loads have improved.
I'm loving the video's thanks
Gavin, yes Erik, understands business the good, the bad, and the disappointment for some !!
Thank you for the knowledge.
Love the info
Thank you 👍👍👍🇺🇸
Awesome - glad to see you two doing these interviews
Erik you definitely need to get an invite to Gavin’s place - the ridge is amazing
YESSSS! Hoping I can get Erik up here!
A Goggins reference in reference to welding position is the last thing I would expect to hear, love the content. 😂
Yes Erik you got out of building at just the right time. It's insane.
So many great things come from mistakes Eric it's awesome you talk about alot of stuff to just about anyone
This podcast is the reason I like E.C tuner breaks and really wanna let gavin do some work for me.
A reamer you what to hage out really long so it can flex to the hole, it is not a boring bar
Sounds good gavin
Remember metal that the barrels are made from are made of different material. One barrel to the next could be little harder or little softer in places. So could copper easier or harder in places and yes harmonics could be off cause Barrel little less stiff in different places.
Belzona baby ‼️👍
1:24:10 Haha, yep, Blue box brass and yellow box bullets = good to go... After all, Blue and Yellow makes Green and we all know "Green" means "GO"!
The standard .0005" over bullet diameter freebore is fine, so long as other vital steps are followed to ensure the reamer is cutting straight and true. Some gunsmiths with go with .001+ diameter to compensate for getting slight off-center reamer cutting........people commonly refer to the reamer "chattering" in that area.......but it is more from interrupted cutting.
Great to see Gavin on the podcast. Gotta be one of my favorite episodes yet! Thanks Erik. I had a rifle which shot 1.25moa groups with one brass, then .75moa AND 3.5” up and left with another. Not impressed and gonna rebarrel, but here’s the interesting part: the groups POI shift was extremely and perfectly repeatable. Since this “double grouping” is an accuracy issue, not a precision issue, group size is irrelevant. If charge weight didn’t fix it, it’s definitely not a typical harmonics issue. A tuner and seating adjustment are really only good for fine tuning a good load. Crap in crap out. I’m wondering if something about the brass lot or prep just didn’t agree with that barrel…? Any thoughts?
If I had a nickel for every technical term I didn't understand on this one, I'd have made some money on this one! I'm going to have to rewatch this one when I've got a machinist in the room.
👍
All the big economists are saying this year will be worse than last year.Their not doing anything to make it better their going on like they are except they just passed another 1.7 Trillion bill and what does that do makes inflation worse so only thing their doing is making it worse. All plants here in bama had 2 huge layoffs before Xmas. Am superintendent for rd dpt. We lease Mack dump trucks every 30k miles. Well Mack turned our order down for 6 of them cause said they cannot get the parts for them. So we’re waiting on peterbuilt and KW if they can get us some trucks.
A reamer will only follower the hole it is going into , a reamer is not a boring bar
It will be a boring bar if it is held rigidly.......that is why oversize (but concentric) chambers are SO common on CNC lathes. You should ALWAYS pay attention to the diameter of fired brass just forward of the web. It will shoot great.......but good luck sizing that area back down to reality.
Fantastic podcast as always.You guys flow well together with lots of great info . If Erik doesn’t come threw with the BR reamer . I will lone you my BRA reamer if that interests you at all .Gavin I have the bug to start doing my own chambering ,how much to get the tooling that you are using on your channel? Would like a lesson from either of you guys on the lathe.Keep up the great job of sharing with us .Thanks so much
Awesome Stuff, wish I could come work for you Gavin
The new Magpul Daka hard cases would be a nice touch to a custom rifle, especially if they are laser engraved.
I'll take a look at those, thanks!
It may be another year or so, but I’d like to talk about a barrel chambered with your BR reamer.
In the meantime, I hope this logic works: Only way to get the ‘blue’ brass is to buy complete ammo. Then, after I practice, I’ll have once fired ‘blue’ brass to load up with my ‘yellow’ 108s.
Been doing this machining for 35 years
Obviously the charge goes off so fast in the chamber that the brass would swell to creat a tight seal if you’re running .005. But is there any chance gas could pass by the bullet with the extra space until the seal happens. Just had me wondering. Maybe it’s a crazy thought.
I'm getting there fellows
Getting me started up again. He we go. I ordered a reamer last year and the maker left out a digit in the throat length, moved the S/N junction to interfere with my donut, and one other little change from my specs. I just couldn’t believe they would have a communication procedure where such critical mistakes could be made. I still wonder if they were hungover on a Monday morning or what. Needless to say, I’ll probably try a different maker next time.
Yellow over blue, shoots true..
Ther3 is some good advice
“All it takes is time and money”. I been sayin that for years,,,my problem is i never have both at the same time haha
I’m so into your interviews. Every time I pickup another tidbit and tell myself I have to try that!Today’s video now has me wondering about neck turning my brass. Which kinda scares me because the first thing I remember from one of your videos was just get the blue box and the yellow box and you’re good to go! Well I do have blue and yellow but should I take a chance on screwing up my blue box?
No, leave it alone.
It's all about elimination of variables, of course the shooter is the biggest variable along with the wind 😉
Gavin is going to have a tough time in the gunsmith business #!!!
Dear Sir - I tried to inform him - repeatedly.
Do it cavin
If you have classes I'll drive from Minnesota to be there
Call it the carvin
Can some of you do a video how to neckturn 6,5prc to 7prcw in detail.
If so thank’s very much.
You 2 are killing my spare time LOL
Hell I'm retired so it shouldn't matter
😂
Happy to help!
TIG !!!
would love to get the books you mentioned #08:30.
Poor Gavin has to uproot and move to a free state.
Please do that 6,5x55 swede against 6,5 creed comparison. Half of europe, especially althergebrachten swedish guys will hang on the edge of there seats. Me included...
Custom reamers can be a pain in the butt. But I figure the first chambering pays for the tooling. Then after that it’s just profit on that reamer. Coming from someone that has over 80 reamers now haha. Sometime you just want to play with stuff that’s for sure.
But I still refuse to own a single Weatherby reamer.
Get some.
The barrel is a bullet swage that reforms the bullet and the brass. Brass, barrel, bullets. ?The barrel reforms the perfect bullet into a non-perfect bullet. The chamber forms brass into non-perfect brass. The question is, what is changing the least amount during firing in your simple equation for accuracy? The barrel, not the brass or the bullet.
Non-perfect brass? Fireformed brass is as perfect as the chamber.
Someone with the money to build a custom gun & wants you to build it will pay half of the money for the reamer. Good podcast guy's
I would say they should just outright buy a reamer so they can have that exact reamer to rechamber with same dimensions once barrel is shot out.
It’s a gunsmiths going rate to have customer pay half the price of a reamer if it’s odd ball
The "Barri-cada" (light 6mm PRS) and the "PR-Stingray" (heavy 30 cal PRS) Mako-Marksman (ELR .375-.416 rifle blue fading two white) Great White Sharkshooter (.50 BMG ELR) yes I know I sound like an 8 year old.
How about the "Baracada"?
How about delivering it personally from a limo. Presentation seems to be your highest interest. Trust me if it comes in a paper sack I don't care if it's the best thing on the planet but I don't think yours is going to be but your want to charge the money and hope that presentation makes up for it.
First time I tried vertical up stick welding my teacher looked at the result and said “it’s vertically up the creek 😂😂”.
Hahahaha- I know the feeling :)
On center line
large neck diameters became a thing again because everyone started to anneal often.
222 rem is funner in bolt action than 223!
Well... Price depending might be interested in a barracuda
Take your time gavin
Seeley Masker is spinning in his grave.
.005-.006" clearance on the neck diameter with what neck tension and neck wall thickness? That comment can lead a lot of people down the wrong path if your not giving all the information. You said you turned the brass too thin so was it a combination of say .008" neck thickness with .005" clearance or was it .012" neck thickness with .005" clearance. I assume this could lead to very different results. For round numbers I believe Jack said .011" thickness with .003" clearance.
P.S. listening further you talk .270" loaded round with .275" neck. So this 6x47 example it's. 005" clearance with .0135" neck thickness.
Defiance announced today that they are again taking direct orders on actions.
Erik Cortina says you need to give your product a great name.
So he names his brakes, EC Brakes......
And his 2nd generation, get this.... NextGen.
😂 You sure Erik Cortina of EC Brakes?
Huh, EC Tuner brake… thank you. 😜
@@BelieveTheTarget You told Gavin he should give his products catchy name. Like, The Barracuda.
But yet you named your product after your own initial.
And your 2nd gen product was called NextGen.
Where's the catch name?
Also, can you take your PRS Brake off your website since you discontinued them and won't make any more?
I totally disagree, sometimes you guys are not right. I totally respect both of you. But this one thing I can say if you build a 6.5 x55 Swede Ackley improved. Correctly it will be one of the best shooting rifles you have ever had in your entire life. You can't reinvent the wheel sometimes, new was great. I love the 6 mm Creedmoor. But that doesn't mean it's the all time best
Unless you try fitting in a AICS magazine. Yes you can run it in a long action (or XM length).......but that is dumb.
G. How many 💵💵💵dineros 🤠
I can’t stand when they call a 223 rifle a trainer. It’s a rifle. I practice with my 300 RUM for ELR and I don’t call it a trainer
You should. 😁
Renting reamers ! ! ! Carpe Diem.
Says the guy that has reamers ground to factory unfired brass!!! Good luck getting factory ammo or factory dies to work with that rifle!!! SAAMI specs exist for a reason.......and you are doing the opposite.
@@AccuSol-ERN Accuracy, Accuracy, Accuracy.....
I see you making derisive comments or trying to advertise your own products on many gunsmithing videos. So I checked out your channel. Hoping that maybe your apparent arrogance was backed up by corresponding performance. I didn't see one impressively accurate rifle on it. In fact...I'm pretty sure I didn't see one quarter minute group even with three shots. Generally people only show their best results online and if that's your best maybe you should concentrate on getting better before you comment multiple times on every video telling people they're doing it wrong.
@@MMBRM Care to shoot against us, on camera, for money? Contact me..........thanks.
@@MMBRM Care to shoot against us, on camera, for money? Please contact me.........thanks.
The free bore should allow the bullet to exit the soft brass neck and be supported by the steel of the barrel as it is swaged into the rifling. So a long tight freebore would be best for transitioning from the soft brass case to the hard steel of the barrel that swages and reforms the perfect bullet.
No one seems to be able to get that through their 🫠.
If the bullet touches the freebore, they shoot like crap.
@@BelieveTheTargeta bullet flies untouched after it leaves the barrel supported by rotation.
So you are saying it needs to be supported on the back end by the soft brass that has wobble built into the dimensions, as the bullet is swagged into the rifling? Which is what is being done by every one. ,.,Not using good logic... And they are seating the bullet out to aline the front of cartridge in chamber that has run out built into it, even with perfect fireformed brass that is resized smaller than the fireformed "perfect" state. The bolt ejector plunger and extractor work to set the case at maximum runout in the chamber. Case chamber runout is unwittingly Partially off set by seating the bullet out. Seating the bullet out to the lands causes a big pressure spike and extra stresses on the barrel throat. So the people doing it get to replace the barrel every week.
Arbor press bullet seaters use tight tolerance "freebore" to aline the bullet with the case neck.
Why would you NOT use the steel freebore of the barrel to support and align the bullet as it is swagged and reformed to the different non precise bullet shape the barrel changes it to???
Instead of relying on the softer than steel, built in chamber run out, brass neck of the case to align the bullet as it is swagged into the rifling. A rifle barrel is a bullet swagging die.