I coupled an i5-13600K with a $25 CPU Cooler...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 มิ.ย. 2024
- Does the i5-13600K Really NEED Z790, DDR5 and Water Cooling...? Well in today's video we explore this above combo vs a B660, DDR4 and a cheap aliexpress $25 Wovibo Cooler, and the results are... impressive!
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Chapters
00:00 Getting the DDR4 Setup Correctly fitted out, Early Temps in Cinebench R23 are HIGH...
02:01 Gaming Benchmarks at 1080 and 4k
03:57 You can save a lot of money going DDR4 and B660, though what are the drawbacks at default power consumption?
06:17 Undervolting and gaming benchmarks. Limits on B660.
08:16 The Budget Combo conclusion.
10:57 Question of the Day, Does an RX 6600M Fit a a320 Motherboard?
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Hey Brian, how'd you get that dark mode running on the Nvidia control panel? ...looks way better!
Man, can you help me fix my rx 580 ? i don't have any clue what happened. It just doesn't start with my computer.
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@@XMG3 I report them for a while but nothing got done.
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What I'm loving most about the 13th gen Intel is how so many in the community are suggesting pairing the 13600K with a B660 board. Even with 12 gen people were still stressed about pairing a "K" series chip with a "B" series board - losing out on overclocking. It's like people have finally noticed that the overclocking 'feature' has been largely replaced by the 'boost' features for most practical purposes.
For sure it has been replaced. It is strange to live in the times of "boosts" making OC a thing of the past when you lived all through it.
Z790 board has released and many computer stores have huge discount on Z690 board. After discount many Z690 boards are selling at the same price as B660 board but with far far better VRM.
Also if you don't have a 12th gen CPU, you need board with flash bios button for bios update without CPU. AFAIK, none of the MSI B660 board have flash bios button.
Also people have been recommending it now because the 12600k literally has a different core count than its non k equivalent. Not sure about the 13k yet but it was like that for 12th gen
If you buy a K sku, you're just wasting money by going B series chipset. Gaming doesn't really utilize E cores and by your own logic, you're not gaining much from a little extra frequency. With the 13400 not being out yet, there's a weird limbo where a 13600k is much better than a 12400 - but wasting money on a K sku you can't fully use is still dumb unless you absolutely need extra cores - in which case a 12700F over a 12600k would've still been the better investment. This is going to be true again the very second the entire 13th gen lineup is out.
@@b0ne91 do u watch the video?
Love these types of tests
Most tech tubers just run the best coolers which I would never pay for.
Awesome to know how these CPU's work under budget friendly coolers.
did u use a open case rig?
if not, then these results are pretty much useless for u!
It's false economy. I recycled a Cooler Master Hyper T4 (abt. $35) to cool an R9 5900x on a new build mainly because I had it spare. Did it cope? While it did mostly keep the CPU under 95 most of the time but it was constantly cycling between high and max fan speeds to keep the temps reasonable under any sort of CPU load, making it not only noisy and uncomfortable to listen to (fan whine) but possibly reducing the CPU life in the long run. So I went to maybe the other extreme and purchased a Noctua NH-D12L on special from Newegg for $120. I would have paid the extra for the silence alone but the monumental reduction in CPU temp is a happy bonus. There are probably a dozen or so coolers that cool as well as the D12L for around $80 like the be quiet! shadow rock 4 etc. but I have yet to find a real budget solution that is good enough for 150w + loads. Spend just a little more it's worth the difference.
Been a subscriber for a LONG time and I really love how you manage to get away from the "mainstream" content and go for interesting price/performance analisys. :D
This was fantastic to see! I'm going pretty much "budget-all-in" due to the fact that I'm right now on my way to upgrade to a 13700k & going overkill on cooler & z790 board, but I'm sticking to the ddr4 memory I've already got. It'll take me around 4 more months (6 months in total) to get everything, but right now I'm on a non-k i7-7700 with a 3080Ti gpu on a h110 motherboard so I've got big hopes on this upgrade.
I love these budget coolers, many of them proved to capable of trading blow against famous big brands at much more affordable prices and similar, OR better performance than their more expensive counterparts. We need more of these.
I will get a heap of them and do a round up i think, people have been telling me about one GN checked out too, so I will add that to the list.
@@techyescity what kind of bracket do you use because the cooler you linked doesn't say it supports lga1700?
awesome work Brian, love such videos, thank you mate!!!
Thank you for the video, waiting for the undervolting guide!
Thanks Brian I was really interested in just this scenario
so stoked on your info...thank you!
Looking good man. I didn't see your video on why you moved. I remember your son lived there and I bet you love living closer to him now. Either way keep the bangers coming and love the videos. I refer people to your channel who are looking to build for the first time.
Great video Brian, can't wait for the undervolt tutorial from tech wobble city 😜
i have an unopened set of the silicon power 3600 cl18 ddr4 used, very happy to see it tested , thank you Brian
Brian u are a god. Been subbed for like 6-8 years and u always been a god. Love you dude
Looking forward to the used parts hunt when you back in Aus. Deals everywhere.
this is what im EXACTLY lookin for! a whole logic thats keep kick-in on my mind for a century😆 thanks man!
Looking forward to your undervolting tutorial video on this 13600
thanks for the tests .
This combo is so good Bryan!
I'm loving this content. Would love to see how a 12100 performs at 4k
Thank you for this ! I was a bit worried about getting a 13600k along with a 240mm AIO, not anymore.
I took some flack when I put my 12700k under a U12S and gaming loads and even sustained all core loads are below throttling no problem. Good to see the 13600k with ddr4 is fine for gaming and doesn't need a d5 platform really. Any realistic GPU pairing up to a 6900xt or 3080ti even looks like it will be great on a d4 setup with this CPU.
Thanks for this comment. I was wondering how my U14S would do. I might aim at a 13600k next year.
Thanks mate everything I wanted to know before buying the 13600k is in this video.
Excellent video. Thank you.
I just love this kind of videos bro
Happy to see that there is no performance issues using old MB with a 13xxx, there were rumors that 13th had poor performance out of z790, I suppose that MB bios wasn't updated.
Always nice to watch your Video's.
Nice video. Interesting results. It would be interesting to see how an Original "Free - Pack-In" AMD Wraith cooler would do with the I9 13900ks and the Ryzen 9 7950x.
Very good video thanks.
Great video for the more budget conscious like me - thanks
Amazing video, planning on upgrading to the 13600k. And wanting to keep my vetroo v5 cooler. So glad it'll keep it cool, also do you think the gigabyte z690 au motherboard is a good combo?
Hi Brian, Gr8 video as always! Can you please tel me what monitor are you using in the video or this is directly a OLED TV ?
I would love to see the temps and power with one of those aftermarket retention brackets.
I bought one and im 5c-10c lower ~ Thermalright.
I went with Thermalright -- but put it in during initial install, so have no reference of it it lowered temps or not. However, I will say that following Gamer's Nexus install "instructions" I had no issues on first boot.
@@simonic2063 I watched the same video. It's why I choose the product I did
Hey man, nice video, I bought the same hardware as you used for the budget setup ( B660m Steel Legend), but I can't find the same settings in the BIOS as the ones you used when undervolting, could you share which BIOS version you had installed or if you needed to enable anything on the board for that?
Great video.
cool! I was planning to get this CPU
i love this video, is what i plan to do in limited budget (undervolt , ddr4, b660)
i am new in cpu tuning this, i know it wont overclock on B motherboard, but i dont know is it support undervolt
and your video just pops up on the home page and solve all my question😄
thank you so much
Thank you so much for this video! I have a question. I want to buy RX 6750 XT to this cpu. Will be there a bottleneck?
Cool monitoring up in the top left! Is that MSI afterburner? And how did you get that green bar?
For me buying bit more high end air cooler makes more sense since you can reuse it in the future. Have NH-D14 in one of my systems that I bought in 2011 and still works well. If I was buying now I may tilt more toward the new UH-12A with those newer 120mm fans, almost as good NH-D15 but takes lot less space.
Yeah and under load it will be much quieter.
Awesome Video
I love Tech WOBBLE City!
Now let's talk about the wobbling economy.
Great review!
Some said you had to build the 13600k system around the "massive" cooling unit , you proved them wrong 😁
Most likely just to bash Intel
AMD shills ,, SADLY they are all over youtube spreading LIES and half truths
still waiting for the undervolting guide, good stuff!
Really interesting how a basic B660 0,1V undervolt drops 35W in productivity. Looking forward to seeing fine-tuned undervolting combined with sweet spot PL to minimize the perf loss on Z690 / Z790 on both 13600K and 13700K. (if you get your hands on one) That will basically be the most determining factor for me to decide between one of these or a 7700X or 7900X. (long running CPU and RAM intensive workloads being the main reason for that quest for efficiency)
Great Vid Brian. Plug that 4090 in your x5675 and see how much it is slowed down please. I would find it very interesting.
I changed the "CPU Lite Load" setting from default 12 to 7 in BIOS (MSI Pro Z690-A DDR4) and now my 13600K doesn't thermal throttle anymore in Cinebench R23 and still reaches 5Ghz like it was at mode 12 according to HWMonitor, using a DeepCool AK620 air cooler.
Thank you very much for the video... is there any way you could do one for the 7600x or 7770x using the cheapest b650 motherboard with a low budget air cooler?
Nice! thanks.
Brings backs the days with i5-3570k and Hyper 212 Evo :D
I would be intrested to see it in a case that someone on a similar budget would use. as I would think the open air test bench is ideal for an air cooler and may not reflect real world where gpu heat builds up in the case
Yes interesting results but it is an open air scenario. I would just go ahead and have a 16 inch room fan blowing on the whole computer which would be 400mm+ of airflow 😆
These are the videos I like seeing
I'm very impressed and surprised with the performance of the ddr4 system.
I would like to see a real life power usage chart on like everything right now. Energy prices are going sky high here. (Prices don't get expensive or cheaper Brian, that's impossible. Prices go higher or lower!! :P)
The "i5-K" (2500K, 3570K, etc) was always a good value since long time ago, no surprises for me. (i5-4570K is still working on my dad's PC, and it's more than enough at 1080p for none hardcore gamers)
$8 CPU contact frames (ILM's) are available for the twelfth gen motherboards that are received pretty well.
Not bad at all for a cheap tower cooler. This is why I LOVE Air tower coolers over liquid coolers plus you don't have to worry about the pump failing on ya. :)
Sound way of thinking....
Yeah
Also looks better.
That's a great cpu!! I'd love to see some benchmarks with some cheaper gpu's on this chip. Maybe a 3060ti or 2060 super. I think a 4080 or 4090 is out of my budget for a while but the cpu and mobo is looking almost affordable.
It's irrelevant tbh, the gpu is bottlenecking anyway. All the gpus are gonna preform at 100% so you can check other tests of whatever gpu you're looking at =)
@@DarkWidget I can't afford a 4090 but am seriously looking at the 13600 or similar. The fact that the gpu is going to bottleneck is my point. I'd like to know roughly what sort of performance I'm going to get running a lesser card. Yes I can go hunt out other streamers reviews but Bryan is the price to performance man and I trust his opinion. :)
@@BoldRam i am planning to build a new pc. From amd ryzen 5 2600 to intel build. But yeah budget is tight as well so i am curious if i can pair it with 2060 super haha using a 1080p monitor.
I rum a UNICORN 3300x AMD CPU, tweaked...last and best of the 4c/8t Generation CPUs...thanks to your reviews I got one fresh in AU..
I paired mine with a deeocool ak620 and it idles around 30C and goes upto around 55C under load in games. Love this chip.
Perfect video i was looking for, i m currently planning to upgrade from 9400f to 13600k but i was wondering if my "pure rock 2 black" will be enough for 13600k. I think it will be fine😊
Yes, you can keep the 13600k as cool as you want with undervolting. I've got mine performing BETTER then stock at LOWER voltage.
thanks for this video...was confused about the mobo if it can handle the 13600k, I guess with a good cooler a decent b660 is enough for 13600k for tight budget builder
This is how I went about upgrading my CPU, got an MSI PRO B600-A and used my trusty 32GB DDR4 on it. Works great.
On my main rig I'm running a 13th gen 13600k raptor lake CPU (14 core and 20 thread) with a ID-COOLING ZoomFlow 240X 240mm Addressable RGB AIO CPU Liquid Cooler, a Gigabyte nVidia Geforce RTX 4080 GAMING OC16GD, Corsair 32GB Kit (2x16GB) DDR4 Vengeance Pro SL C18 RGB Pro SL C18 3600MHz RAM, a Gigabyte Z690 UD DDR4 LGA1700 ATX Desktop Motherboard, with a Cooler Master V 850W 80+ Gold SFX Fully Modular Power Supply and 3 RGB case fans (2 inlet, 1 outlet ).
THIS PC IS AN ABSOLUTE BEAST, the 13600K and the 4080 match perfect for work and 1080p, 1440p and 4K gaming.
Cheers
Hi Bryan, love your videos! Have you tried the Deepcool Ak620 for $60? I found it matched my EK Basic 360mm AIO and runs absolutely silent.
Looking to use this with my 13600k? Thoughts?
If your monitors refresh rate is like 144hz, in NVidia control panel make it -2fps from your refresh rate (make it 142), the same with 165hz, make it 163hz and so on... Enable Freesync (g-sync) and feel shutter free gameplay ❤️
What u said bout Banga parts is Exactly were we at in Australia, Mate ....Thanks much
I was surprised to see that the default DDR5 setup ran 11 degrees cooler than default DDR4 setup. Is this an advantage that DDR5 will have over DDR4 in general? This interests me greatly as CPU temperature has always been my main concern.
That syringe of thermal paste has seen some action!
thank u so much for doing this
only think im scare is bios flashback not working
Hey TYC, any chance you'll be getting and testing out a JGINYUE B660M motherboard?
This is great. I wonder how a hyper 212 evo v2 would compare.
Hi I would love if you couls do an intensive undervolting guide for 13700K and 13600k in a Cheap Z690 and cheap cooler like this to see if a cheap cooler or Low profile cooler and cheap mother board like Z690m-itx/ax currently selling for 149usd on newegg would make it?
What a great video. Once again showing you don’t have to spend a bomb to have a system which is the bomb!!
Can you compare a 12600k with avx512, a 7600x with avx512 and a 13600k in a couple rpcs3 games? I feel like any modern CPU can do regular gaming properly, but every fps counts when you're dipping under 30fps when playing emulated games
I've noticed Asrock has added bios flashback and POST Status LEDs to all of their motherboards. Gigabyte seems to have abandoned POST Status LEDs.
That cooler looks oddly familiar to the COOLERMASTER Hyper 212X I used for my FX-8350 and I have it in my R5 3600. It's a great and cheap cooler I have to say.
i have a buddy still using an fx6300 with what im pretty sure is the stock cooler
Wow, Brian, this was very helpful. I would have never guessed you could use a $25 air cooler with a 13600K. About that motherboard, though: Can you update the BIOS if you don't already have a 12th Gen CPU? I've never done a BIOS update and I"m scared I'm going to mess this up.
With that specific motherboard you can do a BIOS update as long as you have a power supply connected to the 24pin connector. The motherboard used supports BIOS flashback which allows you to do a BIOS update without turning on the PC.
Can you also test some tdps? Like stock it's going to 200 watts, with the 181 Watt cap, it literally performs the same, then cap it to 150 and then to 125 watts just to see how big the difference really is.
A very good take. I currently have msi B660-a pro, 12400 and arctic freezer esport duo cooler (overkill probably). Cpu never goes over 66 degrees without power limits in gaming. I plan on upgrading to 13600k or 13700k in the future but only if i get a better gpu (6600xt currently).
The esport duo cooler supports lga1700? Dam! I didn't buy one because it wasn't listed. Ended up with the Deepcool AK620 which is a bit more costly.
@@ausfoodgarden Yea, installing was a bit hard, since i already built it with a stock cooler which i started hating day one. I bet this new cooler can handle 13600k unlocked on my board.
Tech, would it be okay to pair the i7 13700k with a good B660 motherboard? I will mainly use it for editing using Premiere Pro and Photoshop.
As there wasn't any gaming thermal throting it turned out to be a DDR4 vs DDR5 comparison. Great to see the $25 cooler do so well, absolutely fine outside productivity. Would have been nice to see the max temp after a long looped cinebench run to check temps still stayed fine.
You could undervolt a bit and the temps under control.
Have you ever tried putting a power limit on the CPU, like Derbauer did recently?
I had the plan for i9 13900k but thinking it's an overkill and out of budget, I may go for i5 13600k
Thank you
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Liked the "Tech wobble City"
Hi.Brian.
Thanks a lot for your video.
I am the holder of this WOVIBO brand. we are a new brand. But we have always been committed to producing cost-effective products. I am very happy to see your video. Every year we put out a better product than last year. Actually the product you tested was produced by us in 2021. We will stop producing it this year. But we will come out with better products. It's the latest 2 coolers in the same link. (We optimized the mounting bracket to make it easier to install the CPU cooler. And used better copper tubes and aluminum sheets to improve performance. And the surface was painted to prevent the copper tubes from oxidizing and turning black).and We will deliver the products to the local warehouse by rail and ship.
In this way, its price will be lower. I am so excited to see your video. We are a manufacturer from China. Mainly in the production of computer cooling accessories. We also have many better products that are not released on Aliexpress.
We hope to send them to you for testing. We hope to receive a lot of feedback so that we can better optimize the product.
thank you again .
best regards from Wovibo!
Great video and content as always..at 1440p and especially 4K for gaming save your money and reuse your existing DDR4 ram for an upgrade to 13th gen...Really happy with my 13700K on a D4 motherboard...just stonking performance and with the 13600K you save even more!
I heard ddr4 kills the production of the 13600k
@@ohfoohy Simply not true. People talk too much crap..
13600K is all you need
Hey i got same combo but i dont have undervolt options like you do in mobo bios any tips?
hello, can you test like really low spec DDR4 (2400, 2666Mhz, etc) on the new intel chips, maybe the ryzen 5000s too if you can be bothered
Apparently Asrock boards do not perform well with VRM thermals according to HUB at least in the mid and lower tier (HDV, PRO RS). WOuld be interesting to see where the Pro4 and Steel Legend and Riptide measure up
My man answering the real world questions
How the vrm's behave? Did they got too hot? Did they are enough to keep the turbo speed steady if running it with limits disabled?
With everyone saying how well overclocking is these high-end CPUs with Ln2 ….. yet many over the past couple years have gone the other way and undervolt &/or underclock their cpu and GPU for massive energy and temperature savings resulting in cheaper cooling solutions being purchased, 95-98% of gaming fps still being obtained, less fan noise to name a few bonuses. Even the rtx4090 touted with its 600w GPU power is in many gaming scenarios pulling many extra frames with less wattage compared to many last generation RTX30-series high end ….. such as 3080-12GB/80Ti/90/90Ti gaming GPU power usage results
Hey Mr TechYes Man! Was wondering if you could assist me. Whenever I watch your videos in full screen, I get this distracting black screen. It's almost like the black screen that occurs during graphics driver installation. It happens during transitions ie 10:50 to 10:52. I've tested Brave Browser and Edge, so it doesn't seem to be a browser issue. I'm using IGPU on my Intel Pentium Gold G7400. Using latest graphics driver and windows 11 is up to date too. Thanks
This is *the* video I needed. I want a 13600K, and I have an Asus Strix B660i currently with a 12400. I asked about B660 + 13600K on Reddit, TH-cam and on Discord, and most of the replies were just "Why not get a Z690 board?". The reason being is I don't care about OCing, but I still want the performance of Raptor-Lake. Yes, I could wait for locked 13th gen CPUs, but the 13400 probably won't have E cores, just P, and the 13700 non-K will cost more than a 13600K.
13400 will have 4 e-cores
@Transistor Jump Well, for 13400 and 13400f there will be 50/50 chance to get chip with either Alder or Raptor lake cores.
hey, undervolting meaning is to set the turbo boost lower than the normal? (5,1gz to 4,8gz) for receive low cpu temperature, correct ? thank you
I used an i5 12600K on a B660 motherboard. Tested it also on an identical setup just on Z690 and not much difference.
But before undervolting you need to disable ALL "enhancement" features like "extra turbo voltage" or "multicore stability" and what they call that. From the video it looks like you still have the turbo-voltage enabled - in my case those things were an extra 20W in turbo without providing any performance.
With undervolting i got the 12600k to run at sub 90W in Cinebench with full turbo, but decided to run it according to specs so it reaches ~95W. But as it is now used as an office-PC (that is why the K-series - the e-cores) i limited the turbo to 'only' 20 seconds - like that the fans never spin up and stay at their near silent low RPM all the time.
U really should've included snowman test here aswell
Please do a undervolt deatailed guide for i5 12600k