I think the problem with these tools right now is that you need way too much computer knowledge to get started. I think making installer packages for all the tools would massively simplify the process and make it friendlier. When I first started, I didn't really understand Anki, and diving into it at the deep end would have been very off putting. However, working from a printed book (RTK) in combination with a premade RTK deck was simple enough to get me started and keep me motivated. I'm all in favour of improving on a 40+ year old method, I just think at this stage of Migaku there's too much complex tech in the way to reach a mass audience. Platforms like Duolingo are popular because they're super easy to pick up. This video is info overload even for me who's been using Anki for well over a year now. I do think the Migaku tools have the potential to lead to much better and more efficient learning outcomes than Duolingo, but just now there's too much of a barrier to entry for the average user.
I, and I guess the rest of the team, feel the same way. Currently there are a lot of settings you have to play with and a lot addons you have to install. But at this stage, due to the use of external software (Anki) there is no other way. We are already working on something to simplify it as much as possible with the given framework, but the biggest improvement will happen once we can switch over from Anki to our own SRS.
Please upload subtitles! And if you can improve the audio in the future, that'd be awesome. Idk if it's mic settings, mic placement, post-processing, or something else, but the audio is pretty low-quality and, with the lack of subtitles, makes it more difficult to follow than it needs to be
jeeeeez all the tools are completely revolutionary. wish I started with the migaku deck and the kanji god add-on man. though now that I've made so much progress I can't really restart, so I'm just sticking to the sentence mining I was doing, though I'll definitely still check out the kanji god add-on
I find the mnemonic stories are basically pointless unless it ends with the keyword though, like parent needs to be at the end or there's no way you can work it out
Thank you guys!! Great work!! 1. Chinese learners need attention :D 2. Since many advanced learners are following you, how can people use these tools, if already threw the first 2300 Hanzi?
Being able to see all the words I know that use each kanji seems like a really nice feature. Looking forward to when beta testers can take a look at it.
It might be a bit of wasted time adding individual kanjis to me. Most kanji are never used individually but only with it's kanji partner. 蜘蛛 for example, if you only know one of these kanji's it's useless. Another example in N5 you Learn 携帯 as cell phone, and then a few thousand sentences down the line you might learn 帯 means to wear a sword (also meaning sash)... etc. Theres tons of kanji I can pronounce the on yomi and kun for but have no idea what the kanji is without it's partner or verb stem.
I still find it hard to believe that some people in the past before the internet existed even learned Japanese so quickly. Like geniuses who spent a year or two in Japan and somehow picked it up quickly. Then we have all these wonderful teacher with effective teaching models and structures and I still find it hard. Even with google translate and lots of resources for reference.
How much time are you spending on immersion compared to how much time you are spending on anki? This is literally the proof that anki is only a support to immersion.
@@youssefelbouzidi1016 A bunch of hours. I know anki is only a supplement. Well, they do have the benefit of getting immersed in the country and learn every hour awake but in some cases despite this, some just simply learned to "master" the language in a matter of a few months reportedly while also juggling other stuff.
No one's "mastered" a language in a few months, particularly not while also juggling other stuff. We recommend you examine that idea more closely if you believe it.
@@MigakuOfficial I don't really. Oh btw thank you so much for all your help. Learning languages has been a fun hobby turned passion for me thank to you :)
I’m not convinced. The problem of RTK is RTK itself. I could already do nearly all of this with yomichan + RTK. But I don’t believe RTK is an actual effective method to learn kanji, in particular at an advanced level.
Yes. The problem with memorising RTK or even RRTK from the start is that it takes 1-3 months, has a high burnout rate, and you forget a lot of the kanji after because you aren’t seeing them in your mining or immersion. With this addon, you frontload say 50 kanji cards, and then start going through a beginner sentence deck like the Tango one they provided. Then as you go through the sentence deck, your kanji deck will only get populated with kanji that are going to appear in the words from the sentence deck, which i think is a more efficient way to remember them as you will learn a kanji and then be able to see it used in a vocab/sentence card shortly after. I hope I explained it correctly.
I'm confused. Is the starter deck in the description the updated version or the 3rd party version? Also, this new approach seems great. You guys are killing the competition. Keep it up!
What would you recommend to someone who, for either reason, stopped SRSing for a long time, then can't recall most kanji they already knew? A fresh start or something else?
Hey yoga really love the migaku extension, finally got the right time stamp settings (: I was wondering if you knew what format* of dictionaries are supported for the migaku dictionary? I would like to add a Thai to Chinese dictionary.
The Tango N5 deck that you guys offer doesn't format the text, they still show the stuff like [;a]. but if I create a new card and copy-paste what is in the field of the same deck, without changing anything, it formats everything. I don't know if it's a me thing but I don't know what is going on
ok i found out that happens because those cards, that don't format, have the Card Type Migaku Japanese Sentence-a0c80, and Migaku Japanese Sentence formats it properly, now i don't know how to change all those card types with the normal mikagu add-on
ok, i found the solution. In case anybody has a similar problem: 1) Go to Browse and select the Tango deck, and Filter the Notes that are Migaku Japanese Sentence-a0c80, the reason you have to filter is that the deck has Migaku Japanese Sentence-a0c80 and Migaku Japanese Vocabulary-7a9c1, and you have to change the note type of both manually. 2) select a card and then press cntr+a to select all cards then right-click and select change Note type and change it to either Migaku Japanese Sentence or Migaku Japanese Vocabulary, depending on what you want to change. 3) without changing anything else press the Ok button and it should be solved. Hopefully.
I think the addon is REALLY great if you want to study for the kanken test, but as for someone just beginning I think it is way behind decks like jp1k. Also, I think the video didn't explain what the actual method was, or maybe I didn't catch it, i'd be really great if you could explain that for me. Anyways keep up the work guys, you are great.
The idea is pretty simple. You start of with around 50 kanji cards in RTK order so you can ease your way into it. Then you just connect the addon with a beginners deck, that optimally is made up of sentences in a 1T order and also introduces grammar. The addon then automatically creates the necessary kanji cards for the first X (you can define this) cards in the queue of that deck. This means that you always learn the necessary kanji a few days before they appear in your deck. So instead of doing nothing but kanji for a few months, you learn them alongside the rest. But still have the benefit of the divide and conquer tactic ala RTL, and all the benefits that come from it. You can also just continue using it, as the addon can scan all new cards you add to your deck and adds new kanji cards if they contain any kanjis you haven't yet learned. So the method so to speak goes away from the whole frontloading idea and changes to learning kanji alongside your normal progress in the language.
@@stevijs3345 Wow, seeing it that way I can see the benefit for pretty much everyone (Except for maybe advanced learners, unless they want to do the kanken test). Thanks for the response.
@@stevijs3345 This is an interesting tool and I'm excited to try integrating it into my current exercises but I think I'm feeling a little overwhelmed with the whole toolset provided by Migaku. I know videos can be a bit of a pain but a review of how all the pieces could fit together would be absolutely stellar. Looking at the Migaku Browser extension, the various other anki addons and mpv has me feeling like a deer caught in the headlights.
Hi Yoga and the whole team, thank you for your dedication... I checked the anki settings in your website and I could not find the best way to set our steps. What do you recommend for lapses and reviews? The standard 1 10 two steps? Do you recommend 3 steps ? Thank you
The default steps are fine. Perhaps the forgetting curve will be slightly higher but setting more steps will lead to many more reviews in the long term.
The SRS is a supplement, it's not necessary, but there seems to be a lot of evidence that it expedites the learning process. Whether to use an SRS or not is your choice.
Does anyone knows whether this stevi guy has joined the migaku team? He keeps appearing on this channel yet his own youtube channel has no new videos for 3 months already.
Damn, the amount of new tools released after I started 6 months ago is crazy.
Ikr, learning Japanese feels like it’s 10yrs ahead of every other language
I think the problem with these tools right now is that you need way too much computer knowledge to get started. I think making installer packages for all the tools would massively simplify the process and make it friendlier.
When I first started, I didn't really understand Anki, and diving into it at the deep end would have been very off putting. However, working from a printed book (RTK) in combination with a premade RTK deck was simple enough to get me started and keep me motivated.
I'm all in favour of improving on a 40+ year old method, I just think at this stage of Migaku there's too much complex tech in the way to reach a mass audience. Platforms like Duolingo are popular because they're super easy to pick up. This video is info overload even for me who's been using Anki for well over a year now.
I do think the Migaku tools have the potential to lead to much better and more efficient learning outcomes than Duolingo, but just now there's too much of a barrier to entry for the average user.
I, and I guess the rest of the team, feel the same way. Currently there are a lot of settings you have to play with and a lot addons you have to install. But at this stage, due to the use of external software (Anki) there is no other way.
We are already working on something to simplify it as much as possible with the given framework, but the biggest improvement will happen once we can switch over from Anki to our own SRS.
Please upload subtitles! And if you can improve the audio in the future, that'd be awesome. Idk if it's mic settings, mic placement, post-processing, or something else, but the audio is pretty low-quality and, with the lack of subtitles, makes it more difficult to follow than it needs to be
Agreed
agreed
Agreed x3
Been checking everyday for a month waiting for the next vid!
I like the ideology here. Integrating kanji recognition into vocabulary/sentence learning seems like an engaging way to learn.
I hope there will be some info about Migaku SRS grammar deck 🙏
jeeeeez all the tools are completely revolutionary. wish I started with the migaku deck and the kanji god add-on man. though now that I've made so much progress I can't really restart, so I'm just sticking to the sentence mining I was doing, though I'll definitely still check out the kanji god add-on
Heisig on-demand, learning the kanji that you see and the kanjis and primitive that is part of it.
That is pretty smart.
good time to be a japanese learner... can't wait for the migaku srs!
I find the mnemonic stories are basically pointless unless it ends with the keyword though, like parent needs to be at the end or there's no way you can work it out
Thank you guys!! Great work!!
1. Chinese learners need attention :D
2. Since many advanced learners are following you, how can people use these tools, if already threw the first 2300 Hanzi?
Jeez.. migaku is revolutionary.. do we have this for hanzi as well?
In the future, yes!
Being able to see all the words I know that use each kanji seems like a really nice feature. Looking forward to when beta testers can take a look at it.
It's available to beta testers right now!
@@MigakuOfficial, this is only for paying subscribers, right?
@@GermanicoBaltar basically if you pay for the beta tester tier on patreon then you get to try the cool new tools
Hey stevijs, please make more videos :)
Yoga looks different!
It might be a bit of wasted time adding individual kanjis to me. Most kanji are never used individually but only with it's kanji partner. 蜘蛛 for example, if you only know one of these kanji's it's useless. Another example in N5 you Learn 携帯 as cell phone, and then a few thousand sentences down the line you might learn 帯 means to wear a sword (also meaning sash)... etc. Theres tons of kanji I can pronounce the on yomi and kun for but have no idea what the kanji is without it's partner or verb stem.
This one's gonna thump.
This looks amazing. Great work, guys.
I still find it hard to believe that some people in the past before the internet existed even learned Japanese so quickly. Like geniuses who spent a year or two in Japan and somehow picked it up quickly. Then we have all these wonderful teacher with effective teaching models and structures and I still find it hard. Even with google translate and lots of resources for reference.
How much time are you spending on immersion compared to how much time you are spending on anki? This is literally the proof that anki is only a support to immersion.
@@youssefelbouzidi1016 A bunch of hours. I know anki is only a supplement. Well, they do have the benefit of getting immersed in the country and learn every hour awake but in some cases despite this, some just simply learned to "master" the language in a matter of a few months reportedly while also juggling other stuff.
No one's "mastered" a language in a few months, particularly not while also juggling other stuff. We recommend you examine that idea more closely if you believe it.
@@MigakuOfficial I don't really. Oh btw thank you so much for all your help. Learning languages has been a fun hobby turned passion for me thank to you :)
my 2 year old kanji deck now all i do is just check if i know the radicals and just give everything a good
I’m not convinced. The problem of RTK is RTK itself. I could already do nearly all of this with yomichan + RTK. But I don’t believe RTK is an actual effective method to learn kanji, in particular at an advanced level.
I'm trying to understand if I'm getting this - The method is basically RTK but integrated alongside vocab+sentence mining from a way earlier stage?
Yes. The problem with memorising RTK or even RRTK from the start is that it takes 1-3 months, has a high burnout rate, and you forget a lot of the kanji after because you aren’t seeing them in your mining or immersion. With this addon, you frontload say 50 kanji cards, and then start going through a beginner sentence deck like the Tango one they provided. Then as you go through the sentence deck, your kanji deck will only get populated with kanji that are going to appear in the words from the sentence deck, which i think is a more efficient way to remember them as you will learn a kanji and then be able to see it used in a vocab/sentence card shortly after. I hope I explained it correctly.
Migaku should really think about creating a "How to install Migaku MPV" video. That bitch can be really convoluted.
I'm confused. Is the starter deck in the description the updated version or the 3rd party version? Also, this new approach seems great. You guys are killing the competition. Keep it up!
wow!
What would you recommend to someone who, for either reason, stopped SRSing for a long time, then can't recall most kanji they already knew? A fresh start or something else?
I’m in the middle of experiencing this retention rate drop for kanji. I was worried my memory was going.
Hey yoga really love the migaku extension, finally got the right time stamp settings (: I was wondering if you knew what format* of dictionaries are supported for the migaku dictionary? I would like to add a Thai to Chinese dictionary.
Please ask these sorts of long format questions through the Discord server~
Could someone please tell me what card deck is this? 4:13
The Tango N5 deck that you guys offer doesn't format the text, they still show the stuff like [;a]. but if I create a new card and copy-paste what is in the field of the same deck, without changing anything, it formats everything. I don't know if it's a me thing but I don't know what is going on
ok i found out that happens because those cards, that don't format, have the Card Type Migaku Japanese Sentence-a0c80, and Migaku Japanese Sentence formats it properly, now i don't know how to change all those card types with the normal mikagu add-on
ok, i found the solution. In case anybody has a similar problem:
1) Go to Browse and select the Tango deck, and Filter the Notes that are Migaku Japanese Sentence-a0c80, the reason you have to filter is that the deck has Migaku Japanese Sentence-a0c80 and Migaku Japanese Vocabulary-7a9c1, and you have to change the note type of both manually.
2) select a card and then press cntr+a to select all cards then right-click and select change Note type and change it to either Migaku Japanese Sentence or Migaku Japanese Vocabulary, depending on what you want to change.
3) without changing anything else press the Ok button and it should be solved. Hopefully.
Just say it with confidence and without the awkward laugh. It's not that weird. It's weird bcuz you make it weird.
I think the addon is REALLY great if you want to study for the kanken test, but as for someone just beginning I think it is way behind decks like jp1k. Also, I think the video didn't explain what the actual method was, or maybe I didn't catch it, i'd be really great if you could explain that for me.
Anyways keep up the work guys, you are great.
The idea is pretty simple. You start of with around 50 kanji cards in RTK order so you can ease your way into it. Then you just connect the addon with a beginners deck, that optimally is made up of sentences in a 1T order and also introduces grammar. The addon then automatically creates the necessary kanji cards for the first X (you can define this) cards in the queue of that deck. This means that you always learn the necessary kanji a few days before they appear in your deck. So instead of doing nothing but kanji for a few months, you learn them alongside the rest. But still have the benefit of the divide and conquer tactic ala RTL, and all the benefits that come from it.
You can also just continue using it, as the addon can scan all new cards you add to your deck and adds new kanji cards if they contain any kanjis you haven't yet learned.
So the method so to speak goes away from the whole frontloading idea and changes to learning kanji alongside your normal progress in the language.
@@stevijs3345 Wow, seeing it that way I can see the benefit for pretty much everyone (Except for maybe advanced learners, unless they want to do the kanken test). Thanks for the response.
@@stevijs3345 This is an interesting tool and I'm excited to try integrating it into my current exercises but I think I'm feeling a little overwhelmed with the whole toolset provided by Migaku. I know videos can be a bit of a pain but a review of how all the pieces could fit together would be absolutely stellar. Looking at the Migaku Browser extension, the various other anki addons and mpv has me feeling like a deer caught in the headlights.
Here for the algorithym
Is the Add-On just available in english?
The interface is in English but you can set custom keywords and stories in your native language. 👍
nice presentation
Hi Yoga and the whole team, thank you for your dedication...
I checked the anki settings in your website and I could not find the best way to set our steps.
What do you recommend for lapses and reviews? The standard 1 10 two steps? Do you recommend 3 steps ?
Thank you
The default steps are fine. Perhaps the forgetting curve will be slightly higher but setting more steps will lead to many more reviews in the long term.
@@MigakuOfficial Thank you for your answer
Sick!
10 kanji's on the national day of prayer! I don't think this is why you named the add-on this is, or is it. @15:39
how would you recommend using this for someone that has say 10k know words and 2.5 recognisable kanji but wanted to learn to write the kanji. r
“JLPT Tango N5 Deck - Migaku Note Types” from June 14th. Is this the new deck?
Not yet.
@@MigakuOfficial Did the deck come out or not yet? Thank you for all your guys' hard work!
is that starter deck in the description the updated one?
Not yet.
I'm tired of Anki. I'd rather look up the same words ten times during immersion before fully integrating it than using Anki.
The SRS is a supplement, it's not necessary, but there seems to be a lot of evidence that it expedites the learning process. Whether to use an SRS or not is your choice.
interesting. id rather kill myself than do that 🙂
Does anyone knows whether this stevi guy has joined the migaku team? He keeps appearing on this channel yet his own youtube channel has no new videos for 3 months already.
Yes, Stevi's a team member. He's been.
@@MigakuOfficial no wonder. Good to know.
@@harpie9022 Yes, so if you're looking for more Stevi content then this is the place!
Could you add a link to the guide in the description?
We're nearly finished and will as soon as we have.
@@MigakuOfficial thank you!
I like the kanji god name! 漢字神！
will this kind of migaku content ever be free someday?
Ich hätte dieses Add-on gut vor einem Jahr brauchen können mensch… Musste mich trocken durch RTK kauen. Sieht aber sehr cool aus.
Does it work on Ankidroid?
Does this work if I set it up on PC and use on mobile?
You will need to create your cards on the pc but the cards will function on mobile as well.
I was just watching his interview with matt then came here, how odd. haha.
Does this work with Chinese?
We plan on a Chinese version.
Nice video but please dont call it “new” when its just rtk
No hate but Bent I can still understand your English but Sometimes I have a bit of a hard time understanding it (just giving some honest feedback)
you need more immersion
Yeah even subtitles would be great
@@jboops6664 Lol facts
@@jboops6664 ... aight man
Maybe he is bad at English because Japanese is the language he is passionate about, not English :)