The Warriors 2nd most valuable player | Draymond Green
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- Draymond Green rarely scores and his raw stats are unimpressive, but he's incredibly important to what the Golden State Warriors do. Is he more valuable to them than Klay Thompson? Or even Kevin Durant? Does he make the Death lineup and Hamptons 5 possible? This detailed film breakdown & scouting report examine his strengths and weaknesses while incorporating analytics & stats to assess his overall impact.
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To summarize the idea: Adding offensive players to Curry or Curry/Klay has diminishing returns, but Draymond's defensive value is (1) large and (2) incredibly hard to replace. Additionally, his unique skills allow Golden State to play these small-ball lineups *without* losing much on defense (teams usually sacrifice defense for offense when they go small) AND Green's playmaking optimizes offensive players who cut & shoot well.
Also, classic typo: His scoring rate on the final slide should read 1st%.
@@ethancahn6402 there should be a third category, How good a player is on good teams as it is more important and is harder to do so , and ben is one of the pioneers of this thinking
Thanks Ethan - "better" for me is CORP based, or "more likely to win a championship on a random team." And I agree it gets fairly complex: fansided.com/2017/10/19/nylon-calculus-championship-odds-short-lived-megastars-corp/
you know who i think is gonna be his heir apparent ? Zion....he should model his game after Dray...i mean imagine Drays impact with Zions athleticism...lord have mercy,....handles & passing is already better then Drays due to his PG background, is an active, willing defender who shows good IQ/potential back there too...Z could be Dray on drugs... we gotta get all the rings we can before these monsters take over....go W'ssss!!!!!
Nice vid but it's biggest flaw is that it only highlights Green skills. So it's a bit one sided. You'd be able to make a stronger argument if you highlight Durant and Klay's skill-set as well so you could compare. With that said, is Draymond the 2nd most valuable player on the Warriors? Well before KD got there perhaps(strong argument between him, Klay and Iggy who was really only in contendership their 1st championship) but after Durant arrived there's no question he is not. Since Durant has arrived, the two most valuable players have clearly been Curry and Durant. There's a reason why the offense revolves around those 2 or why they consistently finish higher in regular season MVP voting or Finals MVP voting.
video didn't age well. finals got you exposed.
The Warriors trio compliments each other so well and they easily mask each others weaknesses.
Curry doesn't have to play defense because Klay and Draymond can do it.
Klay doesn't have to handle the ball because Curry and Draymond can do it.
Draymond doesn't have to score because Curry and Klay can do it.
Excellent observation. Excellent.
Well spoken
Great observation buddy
I love you
@callmecatalyst 🤓
Green showed his growth and the best of his game in the Portland series. Green’s pushing of the the ball every possession and defensive rotations are unparalleled.
dhsilv2 Sorry I didn’t say how he grew. He’s more level headed in the playoffs, he’s hit more timely 3’s than ever, and he’s starting to attack the basket more often now from slipping screens and faking hand-offs.
@@jomicabrera8905 I definitely noticed that he's been more aggressive with the ball without Durant there
@@jomicabrera8905 Sorry bro but Draymond's been doing these things since the Warriors 1st title run. Where you been??
it was the portland blazers lmao. they are a trash team. the warriors beating that trash team has confused many people, including the dude behind this channel.
@@Icecube88 That trash team without their starting center and with the backup injured smashed OKC and beat the 2nd seeded Nuggets in a game 7 on the road. If that's a trash team a lot of other teams need to be trash to and they might make it further.
What a unique player. He’s a star in his role. Great engine, high IQ, and reliable in so many ways. Other players struggling to find a role within their team should take note. Basketball is so much more than just numbers...heart and love of the game can’t be measured.
Draymond's performance vs Portland was one of the most overwhelming in NBA history. He flat out ran the Blazers into heart attack mode.
I used to think he was unique too, but I heard someone say Ben Simmons should become Draymond Green if he wants to win a championship, and then it clicked for me that Draymond has become a new template for a specific (rare) skillset. Simmons is like Draymond, but is a worse shooter and worse defender and hasn't found his true role on his team. Giannis is a similar kind of player to Draymons but obviously a much better scorer in a variety of ways. But I think we'll see a lot of great players begin to really emulate Dtaymond in the coming years, especially those without high-end scoring or shooting abilities.
@@burner1303 This right here. We may very well be entering the new era of "Swiss Army Knife" Players. Definitely looking forward to what the coming generations bring.
@@buletwulf For sure, Zion is gonna be the next one to fit into this mold and maybe break the mold even further
@Malik Lee Totally agree, love Marcus. He's smaller obviously, but he likes to say he plays "stretch 6" in some of Boston's small ball line ups. And he does essentially play center for them at times despite his size.
This is amazing what a balanced view of the most underrated “overrated” player of our generation
I too considered him overrated. It was because he couldn't shoot the 3 pointer as well as he did in the past. But I soon realised that it was his defense that made the difference not his shooting.
I'd say he's still overrated considering his scoring can become a liability to the team when defenses handle him correctly (like the lakers christmas game)
@@yungtago9161 i thought so too but GSW figured out a way to counter this and you can see it in the WCF game 1 where the big sags off of Draymond and Curry or Klay just run a handoff.
@jj Did you even read my comment you fucking spaz. I did recognize his greatness you fucking moron. And yes, in today's NBA shooting the 3 us the most important thing you should know or learn.
@Jason There's this thing called Zone Defense now that wasn't there in the 80s and 90s, players really needs to have a 3 point shooting to be effective, as the defenders isn't really forced to play man to man now (Illegal Help Defense). You need to be super great at one thing or add a 3 ball to be good in this phase and space era.
This just shows how little people understand basketball and how important Defence is. Great video as usual.
Milos Kovac they really do if u swap draymond and aminu blazers easily win they can’t blitz and trap curry because draymond scores or ast that 4 on 3 every time while all of the blazers bigs get the ball on the short roll and act scary asl so dame just getting double whole series
@@Lil_joey-fb3nn Ya he probably would help them a lot.
We hear it a lot on NBA media. "Defense wins championships.". But I think only a few of them actually knows what it means.
Kobe said himself when doing his detail video of draymond that he thinks one of the most important pieces is a playmaking 4 (like lamar odom), a power forward who can push the ball down the floor to create easy scoring opportunities b/c most big men can't deal with that speed.
That's a big part of LeBron's value too, especially in small lineups where he's the 4 or 5
Burn Er like in Miami
@@theronwright1413 For sure, I still think that's when he was at his best. Playing the 4 most of the time, being part of a system, defending like a beast, and resorting to iso less than he did in Cleveland.
@@burner1303 except lebron just goes for stats
@@falaflani4831 Nah, his run in Miami years 2-4 was when he put aside his ego almost entirely. He stepped up to dominate when needed like in game 6 vs the Celtics. But he was switching 1-5, at an all-NBA level giving up shots, doing dirty work, and otherwise doing everything "winning players" do. He's done that on and off sense, but for those years he did that most of the time.
Steph is the system, Dray is the heart, KD is the emergency brakes, and Klay is THE option/most combustible player on the team.
Iggy is the wisdom and cousins is the cheerleader.
@@2008Pain the emotional lesbian
@@aiyu6471 Nah, cousins is like that project teammate who does absolutely nothing.
@Willie Gordon He doesn't have the expectations of a DeMarcus cousins.
Willie Gordon Andrew Bogut did more for the Warriors then Boogie has...
watching this video really made me rethink how impactful draymond is, I've seen plenty of analysis videos that explain how good he is without scoring but I feel like this video really explains it clearly
It kills me that players like draymond and rubio are so much better at passing then shooting. You'd think their precision would allow them to virtually pass the ball into the net.
@@blackjacktrial Can't argue with that, Lebron use to be bad at shooting too when he first entered the league.
I love your videos man. Great insight, and always go into super depth. Fantastic video
Hijacking top comment to say please don't ever change the background music, I love it!
It's unfortunate you'll have people overlook Draymond's playing ability. There isn't any other player currently that does what he does within his position. He runs point and guards positions 1 thru 5 at a high level. If you really appreciate and love the game of basketball, than Draymond should be a player that should be given more attention and noteriety.
BIG FACTS. Most people will parrot that he's a "dirty player" and disregard the intensity and force he plays with. If people wanna be ignorant and ignore a force of a player that's their loss. Real basketball fans can see his skill and talent.
Paul milsap is another one
Lebron younger days
@@richs2449 It is nice that he stopped being such a punk, that was a big downside before. Grew up a bit, makes him very tough to lose/deal with.
@@richs2449 People talk out of both sides of their mouths. They'll say the want the game to be tough and manly like it used to be in the 90's, when fucking Karl Malone was elbowing everybody in the eye socket and KG was slapping dudes in the nuts. But then they'll complain when Draymond kicks someone.
He was voted as "the most overrated player" by NBA players this year. This year's Playoffs especially when Durant was out showed how valuable he is and he's a true all-star.
I wonder who they asked. I would think the superstars would be jealous like that but figured the rest of the league would appreciate what he brings. He is never discussed as a top player in the league, just fulfills a strange set of roles that adds up to a... wildcard?!!? Not sure how he is overrated.
no future at all this didn’t age well
Mr Mike Draymond green talk about being a top player, and his pay check reinforces that delusion.
@@epiccollision checking in.... This didn't age well
Without Draymond, the warriors wouldn’t be what they are. People need to put some respect on his name😤
Yeah cant believe i saw someone say he would be in the g league if he werent on gsw
Nut kicker.
@@shinmanalo3800 He's that too 😂
@@philipnasitem3752 The irrational hate on him is real lol
I C3030 fuck draymond
The way you describe him at the end reminds me a lot of Scottie Pippen. They are two of my favorite players and I think they bring a lot of the same value, obviously I'm not saying their games are the same and Scottie was a much more talented scorer but they both bring immense value to all-time great teams. I don't know if any other two players had the same amount of impact on a winning culture while being so underappreciated. "Sidekick" is usually used as a diss by talking heads but to me it's a guy who fills in every gap that a superstar team is missing, making them essentially unbeatable if they have no weaknesses.
Kd is a beast, but the soul of warriors is in the splash brothers and dreymond (dont forget about the genius coach, steve kerr)
They don't really need him. having KD is just overkill.
@@CDodger24 the idea of 'overkill' in a competitive environment is hilarious
@@Star-pl1xs that's what happened though. warriors steam-rolling all of NBA teams since they got KD.
yead kd is a luxury, not a necessity
@@devvv4616 No, Cousins is a luxury, not a necessity. They need KD to guarantee the win. They wouldnt be 3 peating without him.
This video aged like wine
*milk
@@j.ovinnn wine durant swept dubs another ring😂
The highest quality AND the most consistent quality. Best BBall channel by a mile.
If you havent already, check out "bball breakdown" or "attention to detail". Not saying theyre better, but they also have unbiased, high quality content.
@@michaelwatkins9479 I think you mean "By Any Means Basketball" not "Attention to Detail" aa that is just the name of their video series.
@@honeyfro2615 yeah lol i couldnt think of it off the top of my head.
Draymond has proved that he is one of the most unique players in the NBA this postseason
He proved that the year David Lee went down and he got inserted into the starting 5. That's when GS took off like a rocket and never looked back.
Willie Gordon no thank you,, y’all can have snake back!! Up Steph fan never wanted him!!! He could not beat steph when he was there... and had dubs up 3-1 and Steph came back and beat his ass!!! So yeah take him
He was their 2nd most valuable player before Durant arrived. Finished 7th in MVP voting back in 2016.
There were stretches when he was even approaching the impact of Curry.
They need drymond more than kd. The MVP is most VALUABLE.
Thank you for calling it down the line and ACCURATELY.
I can watch Dray play defence all day long, his D is sometimes more enjoyable than other player's Offense
kinda sus
You are, without a doubt, my favorite basketball channel. Content is always well-thought out, sleek, and to the point.
that backwards-jumping block attempt is the stuff of legend. that's some of the best shot defense i've ever seen -- remarkably low chance of fouling while maintaining the exact same pressure as if you'd just bumped him, plus it has the added benefit of possibly throwing the shooter off; he expects contact and anticipates adjusting for it, but never gets the contact and lets the the shot go off wrong
This Warriors line-up is just meant to be, they compensates each others weaknesses and will only excel when they play together. Some next level chemistry and player movement here; built to dominate the league. But haters will never appreciate or acknowledge this.
good to see his immense contribution being appreciated and translated into numbers & graphs
People should appreciate these kind of players like yo, without these kind of players, the team would kinda suck. You can rely to them they bring help with no hesitations, no selfishness they think about how the game should be played. This is why I like warriors, they love teamwork so much.
Been that way since the Warriors started their dynasty. He's always been the glue and they fall apart when he's off the court
people seem to forget he was the switch Kerr made that changed this team's sucess. Once he benched David Lee and Iggy for Draymond this team went ballistic
This is literally the best basketball "analysing" channel on youtube! Love your videos and cant wait for more!
I'm so happy that we're in an era where pass-first big men are exploited as well as they are. Easily one of my favorite ways of bending defenses.
i was just watching this but @ 3:43 look at the distance green covers.. holy shit!!! kemba is lightning quick and green recovery is insane.
The fact that you managed to provide a clear and at the same time detailed explanation of tactical and strategic aspects of basketball to me, a complete nitwit when it comes to basketball (I am barely able to dribble a ball), is proof that you know what you are talking about. In fact, in the odd occasion that I watch basketball, I started to notice defensive mistakes and comprehend what attacking teams are trying to do on the court.
A big thank you for making me less of on an embarrassment to my country.
This is real sports reporting. ESPN y'all should pay attention. This is insightful. Not just people yelling at each other. Great work bro I'm definitely subbed.
A BIG thank you for this video specifically, perfectly illustrates why he is my favourite player.
Draymond's is the only jersey I own and I've always worn it proudly. Everyone shits on his stats during the regular season, and his game is far from flashy. But he's a balls-to-the-wall player with a brilliant mind. Such intense players will always have intense personalities (Rodman was my favorite as a kid). But these are the role models that all fans can relate to -- they prove you don't need a natural-born talent, you can get there if you bust your ass day after day.
Extremely accurate and astute observation on how Draymond is able to effectively protect the rim.
Such an amazing video. Thank you , really . You make me appreciate the art of basketball more.
This is my fav video of yours yet. Thank you!
Easily the best channel on youtube. Keep up the good work brother
Appreciate that. Thanks.
Good job Ben. Love to see good use of statistics. Keep up the good work.
Insane to see how much he improved his already incredible defense, and is so curious to see him overhelping after the video on the Warriors 21/22 Defense.
Such an underrated channel. How do you not have millions of subscribers?
This video is like poetry for basketball enthusiasts that understand the game! Thank you sir!
True love for basketball is measured in how deeply one loves and appreciates Draymond's game. Absolutely beautiful to watch.
You should make more videos about these defensive and passing artist. They dont get enough spotlight its good to see someone talks about these guys
Not only is Green a great one-on-one defender, GSW switching defense allows him to either defend the best opposing offensive player or sag off a weaker opposing player to clog the paint or double-team. There are plays on defense where he is the on-ball defender no matter who it gets passed to. It's like being defended by a team with 5 Draymond Greens.
Beautiful work, absolutely wonderful breakdown. Only thing I will have to say is he actually has a 7'3 wingspan, he was extremely overweight when he came into the league and it restricted him from fully extending his arms when he was being measured. GS announcers cleared it up recently during a regular season game. Secondly it would of been great if you highlighted how quickly he explodes to his max vertical, he's possibly the fastest leaper in the leauge and it's one of the main reason why his timing on blocking jump shooter's is bar far the best in the leauge.
nah Drummond is the fastest leaper but dray is close
@@TheIcemanthomas Drummond us basically 7'0 with a a7'6 wingspan, it's not like he has to be as fast as a leaper to block shots, Draymond is definitely faster.
@@madwired1188 what he has to e doesnt have anything to do with my statement. I'm speaking on his ability to jump come down and get back up quickly. That's pure athleticism, and not something common for guys his size. There's a reason why hes a monster offensive rebounder. It's not just because of his size. Hes a fantastic athlete, and propels his body upward faster than any big in the league.
@@TheIcemanthomas I agree he's a special athlete but go watch Green blocking jump shots, he actually jumps after the the shoot because his leaping ability is so explosive.. Drummond definitely jumps higher but Green gets to his max vert quicker. Especially as he's much lighter
The best to ever do it. period. Amazing insight and content.
Bro you easily make the best basketball videos ever. Undoubtedly. And it's not really close either. I would personally be intrigued by a video like this but analyzing Klay Thompson. Keep up the incredible work.
Draymond is an incredible player. He gets overshadowed by the other 3. But without Draymond, there's no way the Warriors go to the finals 5 straight years. And that's even with Durant.
Love your content brother. Keep putting out this incredible insight!
So happy w/ Draymond's playoff efforts. Seems like he's always the first to possess the ball after opening tipoff... sets a pace.
Extraordinary analysis. Masterful use of figurative language👏👏👏.
1:04 Damn!!!! He truly reminds Magic a lot from this clips
(side note: from your video on him at least, since i know almost nothing besides that).
love your videos man, keep it going.
Best basketball content on TH-cam and it’s NOT EVEN CLOSE.
Legit the best basketball analyst on TH-cam no other way around it, what kind of guest do you have on ur podcast.
He usually has other analysts on his podcast, but I find them even more enjoyable when he does it on his own
dray is just so fun to watch. i love watching him throw the lob to the open man under the basket after he sucks in the help during a drive and after 2 guys are on steph. i know exactly whats about to happen but teams cant stop it. its brilliant
Can u do more half court offence and defence video loving ur vids keep up the good work
Damn, this channel puts out great stuff
Draymond probably has this video *saved*
Always insightful
lets not forget some of the intangible qualities of draymond, that heart shows.
Been saying this for 5years, and they called me a hater! 😂😂 But the truth is the truth. Draymond is the leader and the 2nd most important player to the warriors. Thanks for quantifying what ive been seeing bro👍👍👍👍
Great analysis; great reporting. Agree 1000%.
There is a lot that's happening on the court that isn't picked up by stats.
Like hockey assists, for example. Green is a master at those.
What I most admire about Green is how quickly he reads the floor and makes decisions. It's not the only thing I admire about him, though. His energy level, particularly in the playoffs, is off the charts. He's as committed as any player I have ever seen.
He also leads the team, reminding teammates where they are supposed to be and calling plays. He's not a great shooter, but if you don't stop him from exploiting a lane, he *will* exploit it. He requires coverage any time he's inside the arc. He's great at slipping screens and using the slip to expose the defense. And he's a master at defense.
I also admire him for *not* chasing stats. Green understands, maybe better than anyone, that this is a *team* sport, not an individual one. He doesn't need flashy stats. He needs wins, and he goes for the jugular to get them. His actions on the court often end up padding a *teammate's* stats.
And finally, he's an excellent mentor. We all have noticed how Kevon Looney has been steadily improving his defensive and offensive game. Lots of people have had a hand in that, especially Kevon himself; but learning from Green surely has been a factor. There aren't many teachers who would be better.
We should not be fooled by overreliance on stats This is one of the most valuable players in the league.
All of that said, I'm frankly uncomfortable with any discussion which seeks to decide which player is more important. KD doesn't play alone, and neither does Draymond. Success isn't the product of any one individual. It's a collective effort. Rather than place these two players on opposite sides of a scale, put them on the same side and weigh them, and their teammates and coaches, against another team.
The way we do that is to let them compete and decide the question on the court.
We're about to see how Golden State compares to the Toronto Raptors. Each team is built differently; each creates synergies in its own way. It should be a great show for anyone who loves this sport.
So awesome. Yet another masterpiece!!
This shows in part why the Warriors were not Just a jump shooting team. Iguodala was another underrated piece in that Team.
Steph: ultimate offense
Dray: ultimate defense
Klay: ultimate hybrid
Steph: best scorer ever
Draymond: best & most versatile team defender ever
Klay: 2nd best shooter ever, exceptional defender
If I were to build the ultimate, team it would have all 3 of these players. Add Kawhi and Anthony Davis and tell me any lineup that could beat this team?
Sean Williams I would have Nikola Jokic as the center because his passing and spacing will do much better for the team
@@seanwilliams7491 Well put
Sean Williams steph aint the best scorer ever.
This is so good, I think I got emotional about it..
Smooth narration brotha
The fact that Green pushes the ball up the floor makes it even more confusing how all of the talking heads were calling him out in the Durant argument. Did they forget or are they just stars f'ers?
Love this video! Green is an unconventional superstar. A champion and a winner in its truest form!
*star
We just won the 4th with KD, this channel deserves more for these takes.
It’s fucking bananas how good the content on this channel is
100% agree with this. He's the most underrated player in the NBA. Even with his triple-doubles, he does so much that doesn't make the boxscore.
wow this was mind-blowingly good
Draymond and bogut are perfect power forward centre combo for the warriors system and to work with Steph and klay,
off ball screeners to get movement going in motion
high iq players
Great defenders
And unselfish do what the team needs kind of guys
Jokic would unlock the most amazing basketball Nirvana if he ever played with this team. I Front court with Jokic and Draymond would be something out of basketball Heaven.
this has quickly become one of my fave youtube channels... wish i would have discovered it sooner and i hope u make more videos soon. ill have to make a donation to ur patreon.
Could you do a video on Marcus Smart! On how he affects the game outside the box score?
The part on transition offense reminds me Steve Nash, who is also with Warriors.
I always see how he jumps backward when contesting layups. The anticipation is superb.
You has a good signature background music
When Draymond plays with the intensity that he's capable of, he is a nightmare. But no one has pointed out that he can't sustain this during the regular season.
Durant is a HUGE blessing for the team. He's an offensive juggernaut that gets the Warriors EFFORTLESS wins throughout the regular season so that players aren't burnt out by the postseason.
True. Just look at their 73 win season
Can’t sustain? Not all players go all out during the reg season. Jordan spoke of this often in interviews. The goal is to be ready for prime time during the playoffs. Who cares about regular season stats when you’re a #1 seed caliber team.
So is Curry. He's a walking bucket. Everyone knew that they never needed Durant in the first place.
Its crazy that the warriors managed to find a guy like him in the second round, when hes actually the perfect fit for curry. Theyre basically made for eachother
You pinpointed this one hats off!!
Wonderful video again! And here I am again asking permission to translate. :p
Love Green, just great inspiration to my defensive game (not that I can barely do any of that tho)
Lonzo has a similar type of effect on the floor (though not as great of course) and is disrespected as well. Defense and playmaking are highly undervalued skills today.
I just want you to understand the gravity of your videos: I'm a warrior hater and more specifically I can't stand Draymond, yet I still watched the whole video because of how much I love your content. Please keep doing what you love!
Also he is the player with the best win percentage of all time
locknight i’m pretty sure thats Kawhi Leonard
@@Flash236926 Yup, Draymond is 4th according to this site hoopshype.com/2019/04/15/the-players-with-the-best-winning-percentages-in-nba-history/#slideIdslide-1
Can't be more appropiate than describing Draymond as chess grandmaster.
Great video! Also gotta keep that background music. Always meshes well with your analysis lol
was watching a magic v bird special on ESPN... watching magic run the point on those fast breaks, literally draymond lol
Can you do a video of harden playing off ball? Or is that too little to do about him?
I love your video!
A stat you is not going to tell you ANYTHING about Draymond Green’s value.
R LI just like pippen
Depends on the stat. :)
Incredible video! Doing the donkey some justice! :D
That was good...... he is like dennis rodman in the sense that their impact on a game doesnt show up on stat sheets but is huge non the less.its also a problem as to why some teams have such trouble creating a winning culture because they rely to much on stats and often cant see a player without them
Love it, "Curry and the splash brothers." Jerebko is now the smash brother no. 3!!!
I have always had problems to categorize Green and decide whether he's really great or really overrated. These playoffs have cemented him as a great player in my eyes even though I don't really like him. Insightful video as always.
I really admire you knowledge and analysis. I have a question, what’s going to be this years Dubs record? Without KD and Kay coming back late will they have over 50 wins?
To this day, I still believe golden state wouldn't have lost game 5 of 2016 finals if Draymond was playing. I remember moments in the game where'd I'd think to myself "they need Green's aggression and hustle on defense." Even someone like me,who didn't possess high basketball iq, could see the difference in team's performance... something was just off. On a side note, I've grown to be fond of channels breaking down film from player's or team' playing style and it's impact on their success. Keep up the good work.