How Will We Remember Draymond Green’s Legacy? | The Ringer
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- The Ringer’s J. Kyle Mann takes his signature deep dive into Golden State Warriors forward Draymond Green. He breaks down how Green became a dominant force on the defensive end of the floor, how he fit into the Warriors' historic offenses during their championship runs, and how he continues to shape his legacy during the next part of his career.
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I'm gonna need you to make all of The Ringers videos.
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Facts bro
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KOC makes great videos too
"Inefficient offense only creates a huge problem when it's paired with poor awareness of identity"
I love that.
topped off with a perfect shot of Westbrook bricking a pull up
@@usr2842 😅
This is what Siakam is struggling with right now.
ie. westbrook
Draymond isn’t just “inefficient”, he’s somewhat of an offensive black hole for the warriors. I don’t think people realize how many big men in this league would die for a chance to play as Steph currys screen setter. Draymond literally gets left wide open to do whatever he wants when teams trap curry off every pick and roll. We’re not asking draymond to go get the ball and cook someone on an iso here. We’re asking him to have the slightest confidence to occasionally attack the rim strong or make a few 3’s with LITERALLY NOBODY around him.
Great insight by Mr. Dime Drop himself! Count me as deeply appreciating Dray. Using "Thinking Basketball" terminology, I feel like he's a catalyst and ceiling raiser for a team rather than a floor raiser. When people reason, "put him on a team by himself and he's nothing," it miscasts his capabilities and what makes him a great team player.
I love this comment
Even as a Lebron fanatic, when I hear people call Dreymond overrated I immediately know they don’t understand the game.
Dray is a force multiplier. But multiply zero by five and it's still zero.
@@yoda112358 I hear ya. And in acknowledging that he's a force multiplier, we acknowledge that his value isn't in raising a team's ability from zero, but amplifying a team's winning ability to even higher heights.
U watching rusty buckets to much
Such a perfect chance to start it off with the song “forgot about Dre”
dmca is on ass
Rightttt
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Fuck you're right
It’s the ringer
babe wake up j kyle mann just posted
FACTS
For real for real
That pass at 5:51 is mindboggling. Draymond sends a perfect bounce pass before Steph even starts his cut back
Him and steph can read each others minds at this point
Agreed - I replayed it about 5 times before continuing the video.
that is a great pass, it is actually a "play" from the triangle offense and it is called "blind pig"
Great finish by Steph too
that was the one that made me go 'holy shit'
People forgot that he was a second round pick. Incredible career given he wasn’t picked early. As a lifelong warriors fan I never would have imagined this success.
One of the most unique and under appreciated players in NBA history. While he undoubtedly benefitted from playing with Steph and Klay, you’d be an idiot to not realize how much THEY have benefited from playing with him.
Preach
How exactly did they benefit from playing with him, to the point where he could be considered a major part of the team?
Tora Chan in 2016 they had the first ranked defense with him on the court and 28th with him off. He also led the team in assists. As the primary defender and playmaker I’d argue him over Klay that season simply because of Klay’s lack of versatility.
@@torachan23 the box scores would let you believe it was up for question when it is undeniable what he presented on the court
well, I mean.. part of the reason it has been EXTREMELY difficult for teams to replicate the warriors offense & offensive efficiency in any way is because finding players like Draymond is very difficult. Most of the players in the NBA are all about me, me, me. Draymond was drafted 2nd round, and he knew from day, if he put his work ethic into getting elite at everything other players couldn't be bother to do.. he would find a spot on the team and help them win bc it allowed him to embrace his role 100%
I'll remember Green dropping 32 points, 15 boards and 9 assists (with 2 steals; 6/8 from three) in the Game 7 they lost to the Cavs. He's rightly remembered for the Game 5 suspension, but he definitely showed out when the entire season came down to a single game. Both Steph and Klay struggled that night, and Draymond kept them in the game.
To let Green beat them was the Cavs gameplan. Stats don't tell the whole story
Hmm, see cavs wanted to lock Stephen and klay, and they were going to live with draymond scoring on them. Granted its no easy feat to drop 32 in a game 7. But if he was the kinda guy to take over when needed warriors would have won easily. Don't get me wrong, I love his game, but I'm sure even he realized that its not something in his skillset so he went and got KD
@@lebarbosa9778 That's what he often did when they won pre KD when Steph and Klay struggled. Had Iggy not been blocked Dray is getting serious consideration for FMVP
@@lebarbosa9778 i'm pretty sure the cavs were not counting on him shooting 6/8 from three. That is as perfect as it could be for anyone playing a finals game 7. Even if the cavs wanted him to shoot, he did more than what he was supposed to. If that Kyrie ball did not go in, we would be talking about one of the biggest performances surprises of so long. And he would, deservedly, have a FMVP.
@@brennomachado5585 yes. I agree with everything but the FMVP.
The video all Draymond stans have been waiting for
There’s a difference between being a Draymond stan, and understanding his irreplaceable importance ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
All 3 of them
yessir
im a warriors fan, Draymond is one of my favorite players in the history of the NBA, and he should be remembered as one of the greatest defensive players of all time (top 10 all time)
even top 5
Came back to appreciate this great video and Draymond's greatness in light of him getting his 4th ring with the Golden State dynasty!
Honestly, for me, your unbiased opinion on Draymond Green determines whether you understand basketball a lot. 🤷♂️
I personally think Draymond is great and in his prime a Floor spacing dpoy who can defend almost all players in the league
It’s like a litmus test of basketball IQ lol, if you think he’s garbage you don’t understand basketball
I think my favorite way to describe Draymond is that he’s a ceiling raiser. He won’t raise the overall level of your team to the playoffs if you’re like a 12th seed but if you’re a top 3 team, he’ll help you get to the top
he's a hunting horn main.
So whenever someone says, Draymond stinks, he's so overrated. Forward them this video. Just remember: Your not going to change there mind. In fact, they aren't going to watch the video. They are a hater and dont understand basketball.
"He could take a charge on a statue" lmao thats a great line.
“Forgot about Dray” opportunity missed.
Exactly. How is that even possible?
i think he referenced it in the thumbnail "forgot about draymond"
"He flops more than Quibi" Damn shots fired lol
If Quibi is still alive at the moment he says this, then it is definitely dead now.
Man, the way Kyle combines those eloquent words with the beats and video style...it’s just visual poetry bro. I wish we got weekly videos
That was great - good solid content
One of the best expositions on Draymond I've seen. The dude is a HOF role player if thats even possible to conceive. Breaks the mold and is just a winner and a tactician.
Role player doesn't do him justice, at some point if you get good enough at your role you become more than just a role player and Draymond reached that point('17 DPOY)
Why can’t you be a star without scoring?
@@jordanharris3358 I think it comes down to however you define the word 'star'
16 draymond was a top 7 player in the nba
@@wiggyj5795 no
he will always be remembered as that triple single guy on the warriors
The greatest all around utility player of this era. Passing, defense, and rebounding all at an elite level.
Great to see the things Warriors fans, who have watched his career play out, know shared so wonderfully and categorically in this video.
I think he's gonna be amazing as a coach someday
Definitely 💯. as long as he doesn't fight any assistant coaches GM's or trainers. (Just a joke I'm the biggest Draymond fan in the world)
*broadcaster
or a great analyst
@@jhrtss He should kick them in the nuts instead, assert his dominance.
im gonna cry
favorite active player 🙏
I’m not even a fan of Draymond, but if you really know basketball. You know he is great. Casuals will remember him as a Dork, but I will remember him as high-IQ guy. A guy who understands the game.
Dudes still a clown lol
@@imacomedian980 obviously but he is a certain talent
Dre on other teams is not the dre we know today
Don't be ridiculous. Draymond is hardly "great."
@@slappyslapstick4045 he's one of the best supporting players in league history. I think that's pretty suitable for greatness.
“The idea of Being in the right place at the right time is contingent on a person’s ability to realize where they are & possessing the ability to seize that opportunity.”
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Love it
As a Michigan State fan we knew he was great but it was hard to explain why. He just brings a fire and intelligence to the court like no one ever has.
I remember him as one of the greatest players of all time defensively and several time champion possible several time dpoy. Unfortunately because of the amount of people saying he’s not an all star or that he’s a role player I doubt history will be so kind unless they get another chip with just our core
I've always liked Dray. He's the hoppers perfect army knife. Silently kill your whole team and you don't notice until you're watching tape. People still don't know.
These videos are beautiful. Totally agree with the analysis here too. Draymond has done a great job as an elite defensive point big man and should be given his due. His emotion just makes games better too imo
For me: your opinion on Dray shows me if you know basketball or not. He has an elite basketball IQ, great defender, and was the lead facilitator of probably the best offensive teams in NBA history (led GSW in assists 2015-2019). Don't overthink it.
Great defender? Me thinks elite
Bcs of his great situation and teammates,he overachieved. I respected him more years before,but he kept quiet when he was on his own . On other teams he would be on the bench. Awesome defender,solid passer,very versatile. But without GS system and teammates,he would be a better D weaker O Kyle Anderson,at best. Situation made him.
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@@Stefansrb369 His Defense and energy will be huge for any team that has him, and he's got really high IQ with all his reads. If anything, he's more like a poor man's Lebron or Jokic. You will find a lot of success running a system of read and reacts with cutters and shooters through them
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J. Kyle is one of the best around. Amazing video.
I clicked on the Ryen Russillo video got about five seconds into it noticed that you dropped this video instantly switched over LOL
I love that you made this. He is my favorite basketball player.
I think it’s interesting to think about if he would’ve went to a team like the Kings, or the Cavs in 2012. And how we probably wouldn’t have been able to see the genius of Draymond because of the cultures of these teams. Those teams probably would’ve ran him out of the league. It shows the genius of Steve Kerr creating a culture that governs itself, and Dray is the anchor. He is such a smart player and a freakin smart person. I look forward to becoming friends with him one day. (Odds aren’t likely lol).
Great video 🔥
College football player who walked into the wrong locker room one day and never looked back
Mr. triple single
Thank you for shedding light on what dray brings to the table. The warriors won't be the same if the core three isn't there.
Anybody saying Draymond is overrated doesn't know the game. He's one of the best if not the best role players of all time
He’s such a beast at being a role player that he was an all star due to being dominant in his role
This video wasn't what I expected. The ending was beautiful and it capped off a great vid.
The play at 8:36 is such a perfect embodiment of Draymond's game and his role in the Warriors offense.
That shit is ridiculous and yet fantastic intelligent basketball
Definitely agree! Because people are going to go look at the stats and just see some guy who was lucky to be on title teams. But, if you we’re actually WATCHING the games, Draymond’s impact on both ends of the floor was always evident. Too many fans nowadays are just react to clips/highlights, instead of actually watching games.
One of the greatest complimentary players of all time
@@markestevenfederis1614 that’s why I said COMPLIMENTARY🙄🙄I never said he would be out there dominating the game without steph and klay, do you not understand what complimentary means? Jesus
@@markestevenfederis1614 eh your kind of right that Kerr would have had a way harder time coaching without his stars but regardless Kerr is a great coach and basketball mind. He took over for Mark Jackson who had two of the best shooters ever playing fucking iso ball with one of the worst efficiencies in the league and Kerr installed an offense that took full advantage of Curry and Thompson’s skills. Without Steve Kerr Curry and Klay would have wasted their primes playing a style of offense that wouldn’t have fully utilized their off ball skills. Mark Jackson instilled defensive toughness into the warriors but that was about it. Kerr created an offense that got the most out of his stars unique skill sets and he encouraged Steph Curry to become the off ball monster that he is today. Curry might not have become that same unique MVP talent without Steve Kerr. Curry can play iso ball just like Kyrie and Dame and he can play off ball just as good as Reggie Miller and Ray Allen and he wouldn’t have realized that other side to his game without Kerr. Y’all need to give Steve Kerr the credit he deserves.
@@markestevenfederis1614 lmao this statement is stupid. Losing 3 allstars is probably the worst thing that could happen to a team. Heck, The Cavs lost 2 Stars and became trash too. Give me a team that lost 3 stars and still a contender then maybe your statement wasn't that stupid at all
@@markestevenfederis1614 oh my bad didn’t realize Kerr was supposed to win another championship with a g league level roster last year. And even though that warriors team was pretty bad, they got better as the year went on and had a few big wins over the rockets and beat the nuggets one game as well. The warriors players improved a lot as they figured out that complex system. Are you too stupid of a fan to see the impact Kerr had on this organization when he finally created an offense that got the most out of Curry Klay and Draymonds skills? There isn’t a coach in the league that would have done any better with that warrior roster last year and I hope your smart enough to remember that Curry was hurt for the large majority of the year.
@@markestevenfederis1614 I mean whose team would win losing 3 of their best players? Smh
Love this guy and watching Draymond. J Kyle's videos are a different style than most other Ringer content but definitely a cut above.
Kyle Mann analyzing my favorite player on the Warriors. This is heavenly
One of the truly underrated players, but also one of the only 4th best players on a team to cost them a championship.
This should've been titled "Forgot about Dray"
I just came to say this. Missed opportunity 😂
It's easily the biggest blown layup of 2021.
@8:36 that play was beautiful, i dont think anyone in the arena expected that pass, even steve kerr had to smile and give him props for that one
ima jus pretend he didnt jus chuck that half court today against the spurs
I'll always remember him for his Steven Adams judo nutcracker move and his other dirty moves
I’m sure we could egregiously taint many, many stars’ legacies by remembering their worst moments, pal. Shitty mindset.
What do you think of when I say Ron Artest? Lol it is what it is man. Or Vontaze Burfict? It is his own fault for people remembering him for the bad crap hes done.
@@sulmona55 Draymond didn’t do anything close to what those guys did man. Come on.
@@PokeTyranno58 kicking dudes in their privates is fkd up
Is he a hall of famer? He does all the little things to help his team but he isn’t an all time great. He isn’t overrated or underrated. The very existence of this video illustrates how dray’s teammates elevate his placement in the game. If he goes anywhere else nobody is talking about him. He’d be a tall Patrick Beverly.
Draymond will be a Hall of Famer for sure. Similar to how we remember Dennis Rodman's impact on winning we will also see Draymond.
Nope
@@Pimping9167 yep. One of the smartest players in the league. It only takes a pair of eyes to understand without Draymond no multiple time top 5 defense, no,73 wins, no Rockets comeback and 2016 game 7 would've been a blowout - or ended with him winning finals MVP if they actually won
@@Pimping9167 lesser players have been made HOF
true but Draymond maybe better than Rodman
@@frankm5267 nahh Rodman had super human rebounding with his defense
great piece
Without a doubt one of the greatest groin kickers of all-time
Boom roasted- Ben Askren
You don’t miss. Another great video
“He flops more than Quiby” that was cold
Any warriors fan knows Draymond is a key element to the team. They have seen how crucial he is to the system
Man almost killed the big man and people still think he's overrated
J Kyle Mann, welcome back
Nah but what about Jordan Bell he was the best player on those teams
Swaggy p is so much better I’m not gonna cap
He will go down as a hall of famer because they don’t win without him PERIOD key part of one of the best dynasties in his era and of all time
Draymond is one of those players that just gives support to other players. He’s the anchor. He’s was the second playmaker on the warriors. While everyone looks at Stephen Curry people forget to look at Draymond. His play style may not be flashy but he impacts the game in enormous ways.
@@vincentzhao8147 not only is draymond the primary playmaker, he and kerr are the reason steph and klay are who they are. Steph and klay were already talented, but were stagnant with the outdated offense mark jackson tried to run.
Paying $20mil a year for a glue guy like draymond is what makes him way overrated
draymond isnt simply a glue guy, hes a defensive anchor and a high IQ playmaker. Every contender in the league would pay him 20m/yr
@@thewholetruth34 I'd pay 20 mil for his defense alone. Guess how much they pay Rudy gobert? He doesn't even create as many opportunities in offense like draymond does.
@@someguy315 20 mil for 2 peak years probably. Draymond's defense is heavily reliant on awareness and stamina. Unlike Gobert who is always going to be tall, Draymond's awareness and stamina can sharply decline like how Joakim Noah fell.
Kyle Mann is back! Amazing work as always
As a dude who loves Curry, Draymond has been incredible defensively this season. Although he does have his ups and downs, he has led this Warriors defense, Him and Steph has been very good so far in at least directing the team on the court especially on switches and stuff of that nature. I just wish he would get a bit more appreciation
Dude just turned 30. Too early. He's not done yet.
Draymond Green played unbelievable defense during their run and he doesnt get enough credit for it. I dont enjoy his antics during games most of the time, but boy, he played great. Klay Thompson is another guy, that people take fro granted
i always will say that he was the second most important person to the warriors dynasty behind steph
This makes me appreciate Draymond. Great Vid. Well done 👍
I just love watching Draymond drop a triple single while absolutely killing teams.
Thank you for making this video. This era especially has developed a tunnel vision towards the offense, specifically shot creators. Prime Draymond generates wins without it by doing better at so many other parts of the game and could"ve brought many teams with good natural talent to another level with his IQ and intensity.
I love Draymond, he's such an impactful player. I think too many people just look at points and decide how good a player is, so his standing suffers. I feel like on defense he was the engine that drove everything, especially with the small ball line-up. Watching him play is great.
The storytelling in this one 🔥
Thank you! I’m sick of hearing warrior fans on twitter calling for Green to be traded. Like what warrior games are they watching??
Exactly since he's been back our offense has been much better
Lol tweeter
Twitter is retarded af
his contract is untradeable.
EXCELLENT video. Thank you 🙏🏾
Draymond “triple single” green
You're talking about his rings right?
@@roryschmidt5776 triple single with 3 rings 😂🤷🏾♂️
I definitely agree with you. This type of player only thrives on winning teams though. It goes underappreciated when you're losing games.
They acting like he announced his retirement or something lol
draymond is the kind of player who, while he’s playing you tend to forget how impactful he is through his lack of offensive prowess and stat-stuffing gamestyle; but once he retires we’ll all look back on him as one of the key pieces in arguably the greatest dynasty in nba history
I will remember him as the guy that cant make layups, freethrows, mid range shots, 3 pointers but still yell at people thinking he is as good as Magic
As magic? I'm sure that's not more than ten people bro. They are irrelevant. He has very good attributes and has shown it many years overs though.
@@harrymic75 he thinks that, not others lol
Draymond is good, but he isnt insanely good like he might think he is. Steve Kerr told him to not shoot 3s and he complained like he was a good shooter. Like he said in the video, lucky he got to a team with Steph and Klay, otherwise he wouldnt be in the league
@@futurehofer1564 so you would not remember him as a DPOY? Because his defense is not overrated btw
@@patrickmatthews8191 this current season his defense is pretty overrated, most people will retain their last memory of him, so I guess not
Green is talented for sure. He was a major contributor to that warrior dynasty run. I do think it was 100% right place right time. If draymond plays in Phoenix his entire career, we don’t notice him. He needs to be around players that have a specific skill set. Being around 2 of the greatest shooters of all time and amazing freak role players allowed him to shine
Draymond wasn't a beneficiary of the talent and system around him in Golden State. He was an ingredient that allowed that talent to blossom and the system to be implemented. Without him, the Warriors dynasty doesn't happen.
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"He could take a charge on a statue"
Amazing video couldn't agree more
Draymond is to the Warriors like Dennis Rodman was to the Bulls
Great analysis, but Draymond’s recent interview was right, a lot of folks, especially the young ones, don’t understand the game of basketball. Floor raisers and ceiling raisers are a thing.
Draymond is as great as he could ever possibly be, this is remarkable
This was perfectly said
He will be remembered like Wes Unseld.. that's my guess
He’s a HOF and all time defensive/glue and do a little bit of everything guy + damn good leader even if he’s a little nutty.
Ppl forget he would of won 2016 Finals MVP if they won game 7 as he put up
32, 15, 9 for one of the better game 7s EVER
Dub nation will never forget Draymond. We know he’s a hall of famer. He gave Steph and Klay the edge and confidence to become top players in this league.
Well said. Draymond has the court vision of a point guard and that's what helps him develop the acute awareness on when to attack passing lanes and disrupt players in momentum. It's that same court vision that let's him anticipate passes and make him a lethal passing forward. It's the same skill used exceptionally well on both ends of the floor. And most importantly, that kind of vision and insight is made in the film room. There are lots of stories about how Draymond knows the opponents plays and 'ticks' because of film and study. The guy studies the game similar to how Rodman studied rebounding trajectory: with precision and relentless dedication. But I don't think he can ever be underappreciated. He may not win DPOY every year (which even KD and dozens of NBA players said is a joke because it's more about how media views players rather than basketball wizards understanding the intricacies of defensive schemes and coverage) but nobody can talk about the Warrior's dynasty without mentioning DG's impact.
dammit. You finna make me shed a tear for donkey
You did Draymond justice.
Draymond is one of those great "intangible" type of guys that are awesome to have on your team. Love that guy.
Yeah fr he talks too much shit sometimes so people don’t like him and call him overrated but at the same time most casual nba fans are too fucking stupid to realize that Draymond does so many things that have a big impact on winning. Draymond is a great competitor that is very unselfish, he’s ride or die for his teammates and he makes winning plays. He does so many things in games that don’t get counted on a box score but that ultimately lead his team to success. I’ve always had a great appreciation for his game and even though his impact would be diminished without star players he also makes star players better at the same time by making great passes and being willing to play great defense and do the dirty work. He understands his role and every kid playing basketball needs to take example from Draymond Green
Love the Mad Men cut
"Forgot About Dray" was *right there,* The Ringer
Loved it! Keep it up man!
I feel like he’ll be one of those forgotten stars if he doesn’t become an analyst. He’s amazing but I feel like Curry doesn’t even get the respect he deserves so I don’t believe Draymond will either and that’s a tragedy
Green is much more important than people realize he just not flashy
Love how this Draymond video is low key just a video shading Russel Westbrook lmao 😂
Draymond is a beast
DPOY “should be 2-time”, 3rd ballot hof, called KD in the parking lot, defensive Charles Barkley
JD is the goat
Dirtiest player of the year award for sure. That Steven Adams nutshot put him over the top.