Citroen, Peugeot Siemens VDO bsm-l04-00 Module Repair Fusebox. Bsm häiriö hardway
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 มี.ค. 2021
- Repairing Citroen, Peogeot FuseBox / BSM Module.
Fuelpump not working and electicity missing on main fuses
NEW VIDEO COMING TO SHOW HOW FIX THIS WITHOUT SOLDERING AND EVEN OPENING THE UINIT !!!!!!!!!!!!
Well done, I admire your patience.
Thanks Peter =)
After having multiple electronic defaults I replaced my BSM L04-00 (citroen c4 phase 1 2005). 6 months later with new BSM the same thing is starting to happen again.
This issue is well known and ebay & co is selling this around 250euros right now .
I think by doing your method I could replace with a new relay with new contacts (from 2022) and not play russian roulette hoping I get a new BSM with not -too used contacts... hope this makes sense.
Thanks for the really detailed video that is exactly what I wanted to kwown :)
if you dare you could do the shortcut and add external relay somewhere in engine bay.. i have a another video about that thing. =) and it is really nice to hear that video is helpfull to someone
Bonjour je la mem bsm ma voiture el démarre pas pas de courant à la pompée de essence pas de ettensel de allumage de bougies vous avez trove la panne???
on relays which switch motors (fuel pump, window regulator, fans etc.) the contacts always wear, particularly if the motor developed a resistance e.g. due to corroded bearings, or worse if the motor completly stops under current (e.g. windows regulator). When the relay switches off, a spark burns the contacts. Congrats for this hard repair job! I would have used the opportunity to change all relays which switch inductive loads and also considered replacing the fuel pump to avoid a recurrance.
Yea. You are right
Hi .....can I pick your brain ? Peugeot 107 ......not my car ....but running fine then left 4 a good few days .then hire randomly sounded continuously until fuse was removed. Now no start turns over only spark at 1 cylinder of the 3 ..is this likely a repay ? Thanks
@Kevin Hancock I cannot imagine any fuse, which being pulled would result in 2 cylinders missing sparks. I would suspect the cables were bitten by an animal while you were gone, which may also account for the problem, you've pulled the fuse for. To check that, I would move the ignition coil and spark plug of the working cylinder to the non working cylinders cables. If there is no spark, the cables are broken. If there is a spark, the 2 other coils/spark plugs are broken. Good Luck!
@cyberbob I've done that already changed coils we even had 2 brand new ones in since sent back . Only cylinder 1 firing . I was aiming towards immobiliser issue but odd how the horn failed the same time maybe as u suggested something has been bittrn lots if cats in area etc
@@kevinhancock4064... the immobilizer would lock the ECU and result in no spark on any of the cylinders, i.e. can be excluded. The horn is wired from the fuse box at the left wheel dome, down to the left inner fender and may be coupled and now shortened with another cable (e.g. side indicator).
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Tack för feedbacken.
Riktigt kul att höra den typen av feedback.
Jag har fixat det ena och det andra i 20 år och nu blev jag bara uppmuntrad att beskriva dessa fixar.
Och jag är helt förvånad över hur mycket dessa videos redan har setts =) Tack bara till dig och alla andra som tittat på mitt innehåll. God jul väntar och var rädda om er.
Ps. Jag hoppas att det översatta svaret är förståeligt
Jag önskar dig detsamma 👍 Fortsätt i denna bana som du gör jag kommer garanterat följa dig. Mycket intressant.
This is such an informative video thx alot for this video and for your patience ❤❤
Thanks for your feedback
😁 Thank you for the detailed video. Today it helped me repair the BSM L05 00 in Peugeot 607 module. I confirm, there is no need to unsolder the entire motherboard. In my case, it was enough to cut the housing in the places indicated at the end of the video. The relay leg looked the same as in the video. There is enough space between the boards to improve soldering. In addition, I also had to get to the relay itself to clean the contact and bend the plate for better contact. A sharp knife was enough to cut off the plastic cover. Thank you again!
Glad to hear that video helped you to fix your car. I am currently working same thing but The bsm is difrent model number. I dont remember it right now but new video is upcoming soon.
Spróbuję sam nie wiem czy dam radę
Zapytam jak dobrać cynę do lutowania
Większość puszek sprzedawanych lokalnie ma wewnątrz puszki jakiś topnik, więc naprawdę nie można wybrać niewłaściwej cyny lutowniczej. Mam też inny film, na którym omija się tę usterkę przekaźnika, dodając zewnętrzny przekaźnik, ale nie można tego zrobić, jeśli twój bsm używa tych mini bezpieczników. Zawsze istnieje możliwość, że sam przekaźnik jest uszkodzony, więc ponowne konserwowanie nie jest rozwiązaniem w 100%...
jaki jest dokładny model psm, który próbujesz naprawić?@@jamzimniak6500
Trop trop fort mon gars, j'adore.
merci pour vos commentaires
Awesome job. Like your your method and logic. I sub and look forward to your vids.
Thnx for your support.. I hope that i can film intresting topics also in future
Buen trabajo, gran video
Great video. See his updated one for easier solution. It works without having to remove the bad relay
Bonjour félicitations pour cette vidéo et votre patience est admirable. Je possède une c4 1.6 hdi avec un bsm d'origine l06-00, je l'ai changé car j'avais des problèmes de perte de puissance ( électrocanne pression turbo qui était mal alimentée) j'ai mis une version l11-00 ça a fonctionné 1 mois et maintenant ça recommence. Pensez vous que le bsm est réellement la cause ?
That is an impressive job and well done and you must know you stuff to have this patient and willing to go ahead on this job. I would however concidered to buy a Toyota ! :-)
Thnx. =) I miss old Times when you just swapped faulty relay like a fuse and it was done under 5 minutes. It is insane to design things with built in relays.
Best video , great work 👏
Thnx :)
Hey man you are crazy but i admire you. Wahou, your job is very very well...
I Am posting new video soon to show how fix this without soldering
@@ElectronicMechanicFinland I follow you
Well done,I just sorted problem with my BSI ,the same type BSI as you have on video. Problem was : when I use remote control and locked the car up,than antitheft lock didn't let me start up later. I managed to reboot BSI and just can't use remote to lock the car up,just key old-fashioned way. Engine start up,all works.Will leave like this till further problem. F...k the remote.Thumb up. Regards from Bohemia.
Wow. Intersting fault xd thanks for sharing
This is not the BSI in the video. The BSI lives behind the glovebox inside the car. This is the BSM or on the Peugeot/Citroen wiring diagrams the PSF1.
Very nice job
Muchas gracias por este vídeo
merci pour vos commentaires
marvellous tuto
Thnx
Hienoa työtä !
Kiitos
Awesome Job I have a question , My Peugeot 508 Aricon compressor build in Relay is malfunctioning can I make an external relay instead of changing its as you did in this Video Because In my country no one can do such a job as you did
Sorry for delay for answer and thanks for feedback =). And what comes your question i dont know yet but a have seen that some other tuber opened just plastic can from relay itself and fixed the relay.. and offcource if abuse that plastic can on a top off relay then you can rip it off and solder wires to relay leftovers and put new relay to end off wires but it wont be pretty xd
I will check chematics tomorrow and try figure out is there are easy way out
Great job . Wire reverse light have relay in bsm.
Im not sure what you are trying to tell
If i recall correct, that glue can be disovle with regular clear coat removal solution.
hello,thanks for the information.do you have any information about the function of other relays?
I did not investigated that thing but i think at you can see the pcb traces on my video and Figuere out what fuse goes witch relay =) are there some spesific relay what you are looking up
Hi, is there any screw or clip holding the board in the "case" or is it just the gunk?
Just gunk. No screws
Very nice video, I have a Peugeot 407 with the same fault (no power at fuel pump fuse) and I'm thinking of having a look at this myself. Did you happen to find out if this fixed the vehicle? Cheers
Yes this car is fixed. But i cant stop thinking to do same fix without soldering. I am pretty sure that this broken relay or bad solder joint is repairable by just adding new relay or and jumper wires on a top of bsm
i soldered cables to the backside of the relay solderings and put a new normal 12v relay to the cables no need for remove of borard. only make a hole in the blackbox corner. lower left corner. then close it with silicon glue
I have a 407 and the power steering some time switches off and stays for long,I changed the pump but still have this issue,can you please guide me which relay is for power steering
inresting fault. i have up coming two Bsm modules for future repair videos and i can pay attention also in this problem..
Hi, could you explain, what tools You are using and why you each step of you repair work.
In future mabye but now afterwards on this video it might be to difficult to re-edit whole clip. But first i cutted Back off case open with dremel multitool but it was fail because you cant repair unit from Back side. I pryied with knife that mould open that i managed to get pcb.s out off case. And then i used desoldering hun and also hot Air soldering station to seperate pcb.s. and after that again deloldering gun to desolder relay.
Relay i fixed with knife and cutted melted plastic away from connectors and then just putted everything Back togetger using soldering iron
There is kinda way to fix that without removing pcb.s when you pry The relay on topside of pcb and solder Wires directly to leftovers on pcb and another en off Wires you can just put standardi relay
I hear a sound in the bsm as sound of relay and missing electricity because drain the battery car. could be a relay??? or something else? txs!!
As i show in first video there was not broblem with driving relay. Broblem was bad solder joint witch prevents 12v power getting to relay and relay itself had bad contacts inside of it. And if you hear relay clic it can be that another relay witch connects power to ac unit.
And usually gentle tapping of screwdriver handheld part helps to diagnosing relay contact failure. They usually kinda will contact if mechanical vibration is aplied to relay . It is not permadent fix but maby gives you hint what is causing no start state. Check my new video. There i show way to fix that relay with new external relay
hi friend, this video is awesome. What are the characteristics of the relay you soldered?
Relay was that OEM relay witch are onboard and i only fixed it but i can try to find datasheet for it
Electrical life obtained at resistive or inductive load at 40A, 15VDC with suitable arc-suppression circuit attached with operating frequency of 1 ops/sec. YH119 2 of 2.......that is told on datasheet
YH119 012-1H11-1S
You can find them example aliexpress
La pompa dell'elettricista elettrico di Idris di molte cose delle direzioni ha citato un problema con la pompa altrimenti abbiamo una perdita e esce olio altrimenti abbiamo un impianto elettrico importante che ha una parte importante da lasciare rimanere a lungo nel parco e molte cose.
Hi, I have the same fuse box in my C4 2007 and can't identify which of this fuses is dedicated to left-hand side dipped beam light. Please help if you have any knowledge on this. Many thanks in advance
Hi.do you have xenon lights ? Because xenon lights fuse was only what i could quic inspection found.
www.google.com/amp/s/fuse-box.info/citroen/citroen-c4-2004-2010-fuses
There are mentioned F17 and F18 as left and right dippedbeams
@@ElectronicMechanicFinland Hi, thank you for your response, I have normal, generic bulb lights
@@ElectronicMechanicFinland the trouble is that my engine compartment fuse box has only 14 fuses, exactly the same as the fuse box on your video, hence I thought you might have some knowledge about fuse assignment in that fuse box.
It seems like my fuse box is a rare exemption, I will check each fuse with an electronic gauge and see which is gone. Anyway, thank you very much for your help, your effort is much appreciated. Kind regards
Chris
Hello, can you tell me what kind of solder extractor you use? Thank you
I have doldering station with integrated desolder gun like link above. fi.farnell.com/proskit-industries/5ss-331-dg/spare-desoldering-gun-140w/dp/2474821. It will usually do the work but gets easily clogged and needs maintance. I prefer solder wig always when it is possible. It will do the trick and dont get clogged
korjasin oman vuosi sitten vasemman alakulman rele. pohja irti ja juota johtoja ja rele johtojen päähän. ei tarvi kumia kaivaa ollenkaan ei tarvi irrottaa. piirikorttia. musta rele vasen alakulma. mahtuu korttien välistä juottaa johdot kiinni ja normaali rele 12v johtojen päähän.
jep. toimiihan se niinkin jos ei ole jo piirilevyllä vikaa siellä juotos puolella niinkun tässä oli
thank you
On a citroen C4 B7 1.4 vti 2011 the injector number 2 is always working and spitting fuel onto exhaust, I've replaced the injector but it does the same and on whichever injector I plug in number 2 connector it does the same, verified the wiring and it isn't that either but the signal on the white wire from injector 2 connector is continuous, does anybody have any idea?
If i have to guess i would put my bet to shorted and faulty injector driver mosfet on a bsm module.. if i got your fault diag right. So yours injector is always open when power is turned on?
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Hi how can I contact you to fix fuse box for Peugeot 308 please
At first where are you located and whatkind a issue your bsm have?
I Have BSM L03 and i dont have comunication to Airbag ECU, according to schematic from autodata i think there is problem in the relay part of the BSM, and that it doesent supply power to Airbag ECU
In my quiq Google search i noticed that airag and belt pretensioning module is suplyed wia under dash fuse box. Fuse n.3. 5amps... So it might be nothing to do with your under hood bsm module. Are you sure that your airbag module is powered trough bsm module? If it is what is fuse number?
@@ElectronicMechanicFinland thats what i saw in autodata.
Ill check what fuse exactly it say it is amd ill post it here.
Maybe im wrong and miss see something.
Hello, who knows where the wiper relay is in the Peugeot 307. Thanks for the help
Either bsi or bsm probably
Is it not clicking?
Bonne café 👍ese rele de que es ? Gracias tengo el mismo problema
Le problème est que la voiture ne démarre pas à cause de contacts de relais défectueux.
Le relais est vraiment difficile à changer et les modules de remplacement usagés ne sont plus disponibles. Cela signifie que la voiture est une poubelle si le relais n'est pas changé
@@ElectronicMechanicFinland vale voy a intentar se lo consigo te mando un mensaje 😅
🇮🇹 grazie per il video della centralina Siemes. Qui non esiste elettrauto che lo faccia, lo può fare il proprietario dell'auto sempre che come me abbia la preparazione e le conoscienze tecniche per smontarla e ripararla. Solo una domanda: conosci la funzione dei 5 relè? Grazie ancora.
cosa intendi per relè 5?
@@ElectronicMechanicFinland HI. Inside the Siemens control unit there are 5 relays. One powers the air conditioning fan but I don't know which one it is. Do you know what each of the 5 relays powers?
I have one unit opened on My workbench and i can try figure it out. Please give me couple days and will write what i can find
Hi friend. This module what i am working on is difrent and there are 13 relays=( but i watched that My video and you can see fuse F11 40amps and it is for Air blower- Air conditioner. The fuse is located near by 30A fuse and relay what is directrly under IT IS that what powers The fuse and Air blower.
In My video Time stamp 14:51 you can see empty slot in left down corner what is for ecu and Fuel pump. Right next to it on right side under The 30 and 40amp fuses IS The AC blower relay
In my module there was much more glue so it run down under the pcb and it was a real pain in the ass to get out so watch out, it might be a better idea to just cut off the back.
That is one way what o have also thinked trugh. I have one module waiting same repair and i will try to enter Back side off module... I'll post video from it when i get it done
Hola tengo el mismo problema como hago ??
Реле говно монтируют на заводе+ заливают чтобы не ремонтировали. Надо было провода вывести под другие реле, чтобы не паять потом
Hei. Citroën C5 06 2.0i automaatti lämppäri ja ilmastointi ei toimi. Ei mitenkään. Onnistuuko sulakerasian korjaus sinulta?
No ainakin tuon yhden tein. Mutta siinä oli vähän erilainen vika... Muistaaksein tuossa on oma sulake sille ac unitille että onko niin että siitä ei lähde sähköä eteenpäin? Tai tuleeko siihen sulakkeelle edes sähköö?
@@ElectronicMechanicFinland Hei. Ensiksi tiedä muuta kuin sulake on ehjä. Otan asiasta selvää. Missäpäin teet näitä? Auto Veikkolassa tällä hetkellä mutta åosti kulkee
Hei taas. Auto on Helsinki Etelä haagassa. En saa sulakerasiaa irti. Piuhat ja mutteri irti, mutta ei nouse. Teetkö kotikäyntejä? Auto tietty liikkuu voin sen tuoda minne haluat.
Hyppypiuhalla toimii. Saa toistaiseksi olla. Vika siinä kuitenkin on. Sitten kun ehdit
I'm going to change all the relays for future near breakdowns. This product is no longer manufactured and I cannot find it.
it is preferable to fix it before you buy used
You will need Powerfull soldering iron. The relay acts as heatsink and i was in trouble with 90w iron.
@@ElectronicMechanicFinland
I would use a rework station with a heat gun.
I Am posting new video soon to show how fix this without soldering
@@ElectronicMechanicFinland dang - i try to fix it now ^^ but thanks for the video
Proszę o podpowiedź czy już ktoś sam w metodzie domowej naprawiał bsm.
I have done now two units and third is waiting on my desk =/
How did you know that F5 does not receive power? 🤕
Fuel pump not work and when measured voltage both end off fuse while cranking.
In my 207 the climate Is dead,not working, The pump and the electromagnet are ok, but I don't hear the climate relay working after pressing the climate control button. Where Is the problem? if i connect the pump to 12v, it works. Help
Are refregant amount checked? If too low amount refregant in system then lowside preasure switch wont allow magnet clutch to switch compressor on?
And usually there are also outside ambient temperature limit witch disablesbac unit if to cold outside.
@@ElectronicMechanicFinland the refregrant its full
@@ElectronicMechanicFinland where is it in 207? usually located in the rear view mirror.
I dont know. Is your climate control mechanical manual or electronic? And are The fault codes readed? If electronic ac then eng managment can disable it if coolant system has anykind trouble?
They really don't like you messing with their stuff do they.
They has to like =)
What is the size of the rely
I cant reply for your cuestion because i dont have unit what to measure but i am sure that of you Google Citroen bsm relay you can find Sellers Ho are sellin The relay. And when you have item code you can seek for datasheet for it..
I did found Ali Express Sellers for relays
.. Google 012-1H11-15 relay and hou Will find similar automotive relays with dimensions
Mikä noista on polttoainepumpun sulake?
Ai siinähän se tuli heti videon alussa
Jeah. Kiva että löysit
Mullahan on sitten toinen video samaan aiheeseen missä koitan kiertää ton rele vian ettei tartte purkaa tota kaatikkoo
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What is Bsm
It is main Power disturbion box with integrated circuits for body controll and engine management...
WD40 helps to remove the silicone
EU should interveine here also not just phones, the right to fix parts should be all over eu. Deign that is anty fix should be punished with huge fines.
i hope got an peugeot 307 sw , is a pain the remember relays are build in. and not easier to change as used to do before on old cars.
im having an silly issue with the headlights.
when i switch to high beam. i see he high beam outside but on the instruments keep showing me the green light meaning low beam. and dont showing the blue light meaning high beam.
im suspicious if maybe something about the bsm ..
have a great day buddy ! regards from chile
Hello.. first thing what comes in My mind is that are your instiment cluster theese old kind replaceble backlight Glow wire Light bulbs? Because then you propably have replaceble light bulbs also in all Instrument cluster indicator light places.
Bad design is bad design
As an auto electrician, I can confidently say that French cars are terrible.
I can be same side with you. All the wiring colors are for blind Priest who can only pray for hapy ending xd
@@ElectronicMechanicFinland
More like a blind priest with no arms.
as a German and automotive hobby mechanic, servicing french cars I can say that french cars are brilliantly engineered and that crabby fuse box unfortunately is a german product by Siemens.