The Media is Lying About Hybrids - Here’s the Truth
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An ICE car has 2000 moving parts, 35% efficiency, 25 cents cost per miles, must go to gas station to get gas.
An Electric vehicle has 30 moving parts, 95% efficiency, 8 cents cost per miles, plug in at home 99% of the time for most peoples.
A Hybrid car has 2020 moving parts, 50% efficiency, 17 cents cost per miles, can plug in or pump gas. When it comes to repair, hybrid car is the worst because it has all the components of ICE and Electric combine toghether.
In a nutshell. Im a BEV believer also but many of my friends have a hard time thinking this way.
Somewhat true but there is another way to think about the whole situation.
Many people use their car for short distances 95% of the time - lets say 50 miles or less.
So what should they buy?
1 small city-BEV (with
Actually, only about 15% of the potential energy in a gallon of gasoline actually makes it to the wheels. That includes waste heat loss (75%) as well as parasitic losses (air conditioning, alternator, water pump, etc.).
Yep big oil has a lot to lose, and since they're so greedy they'll do anything.
"BEVs are great if they don't need batteries or charging." Yup, I agree
Best thing of owning an EV is being able to charge at home and never visiting another gas station.
I haven’t been to a gas station for more than a year…ever since I bought my Tesla M3.
Trust me, it’s a great feeling esp whenever I drive past a gas station.
Gas station does not bite.
@@jacobheinz8236 Same for me! In my 4th year with an EV which is now a Tesla Model 3 RWD and loving it.
Not to mention oil changes! Radiator anti-freeze! Transmission!
I leased a '21 Model 3, now own a '24 Model 3. I expect to get many years of reliable transportation.
EV ignorance is alive and well in Arizona!
Because the media is under control.
The lies against Tesla and ev are out of hand
Misinformation from EV haters is not so much "out of hand", rather, it comes "out their a**hole"... Basically the EV haters are just passing gas😊
I agree but I think there are lies from ideologs on both sides, this is one of the biggest cherry picking channels on YT. EVs work for some people under some circumstances in some countries, their contribution as a percentage to total energy consumption is minimal (~6% of total emissions in Australia, with the vast majority of charging done overnight with coal)
@@isaac827Even when charged from coal generation an EV is responsible for fewer emissions. However with proper planning that can be changed. For instance if workplace and other car parks can provide cheap solar generated energy (slow AC charging) then much of the overnight charging becomes unnecessary. Destination charging makes far more sense than fast charging unless you are on a road trip.
Additionally the coal is at least Australian coal rather than imported oil.
Plus the reduction in air pollution. I always have to drive with my windows up and aircon on simply because of the noxious fumes from traffic and people have to live in those fumes every day.
Now please tell me where I am wrong.
@@isaac827 - As YT channels about EVs go, this is one of the better one IMHO. It isn't so much "cherry picking", rather, there is only so much one can report in a 10-minute video hence Ben chooses his data, facts, and information carefully in order to provide insight into what he is reporting on and the message he wants to get across. He is just being an EV advocate who, fromt what I have seen, also has a lot of integrity: He doesn't have to make stuff up or misrepresent things like Scotty Kilmenow does.
As for charging EVs at night from coal-fired electric plants, that coal was going to be burned whether or not EVs were using that electricity. Yes, it does sound somewhat ironic, but consider that we are in a period of transition from fossil fuel electric plants to renewable energy that will take a few decades to happen. Eventually, EVs will be the norm and fossil fuel vehicles will be in museums.
Incidentally, if you want to see an amusing film from 1906 that shows a variety of vehicles in a crowded city (horse-drawn carriages, gas cars, cable cars,...etc), search for "A Trip Down Market Street". Back then there was a great deal of angst about gas cars aka "horseless carriages" much the same way people view EVs now. Anyway, enjoy the video (find the video with the soundtrack titled "La Femme D'Argent" by Air)
At least half of Tesla’s potential customers won’t buy a Tesla because of Musk’s fascist politics. And, actually affordable, home storage batteries will go a long way towards swinging the market to EVs. We need home batteries that have an installed cost of less than $100 per kWh.
You know the way that a lot of "right wing opinion" on the internet has been traced back to Russian funding. I suspect that a lot of the "ICE opinion" can be traced back to oil industry funding. It is really hard to bite the hand that feeds you when you make your money by having an opinion.
^^^This. Russia is essentially a corrupt petro-state, this is obvious. So an effort to kill electrification makes sense. This involves misinformation against elements in Western societies that are pro-electrification. Time is leaving Russia behind. Their failure to become a modern nation is pretty sad.
Im "right wing "and drive a tesla.. Im also pro choice and college educated , it really confuses people.
@@airgunningyup Same. Except I might be worse. I don't believe in the Climate Change narrative and drive a Model S And a gas guzzling F250.
And who pays for pro-EV lies? Mostly early adopters trying to come to terms with stupidity of their purchase.
@@JanKowalski-vj9py You are saying there are pro-EV lies. How about who pays for the pro-ICE lies. Did you consider that? Since EVs are in fact better for most people, there is a far bigger cost to the pro-ICE
Unfortunately, the media have done such a good job hammering the public charging infrastructure, that it has a bad reputation that's going to take some time to correct.
Meanwhile, as of yesterday, all of GM's EVs are now able to charge on Tesla's charging network. That adds 17,800 superchargers to the available locations where GM EV owners can charge their vehicles.
Question: How many media outlets covered that development, showing how EV charging infrastructure just keeps improving?
OEM auto makers have been pushing for hybrids for one reason and one reason only - - They can still make a profit on them without drastically modifying their current manufacturing process. No CEO of an OEM auto maker wants to admit that in order to fully transition to BEV vehicles it will require negative profits for multiple years until they can ramp up production and lock in battery materials so they kick the can down the road until they retire and it becomes the next CEO's problem.
💯 And unfortunately, most people just foolishly believe what the salesperson and media tell them. I absolutely love my Tesla and will only buy Tesla...It's a no brainer!😆
Those of us who drive the Chevy Volt (best, even today of the PHEV's) have "gas anxiety" as opposed to "range anxiety."
Are the tanks really tiny on those? I drive a gas Spark, and I think I can only fit 35L in mine.
I guess if you have anxiety you will always find it somewhere.
My first try of PHEV was the Volt too. And it was great 12:53 car. I did all the maintenance and we charged at home. One of the great things it kept track of was the percentage of time it was on just the battery and 85% was just electric. So our next jump was to the Bolt and we both love that car. Both the Volt and Bolt were my first American cars in my 71yrs on this rock. Even working as a mechanic for most of my life ICE always struck me as stupidly complicated and a bandaid on an outdated bad idea. I will keep my Nissan Frontier for hauling but it only gets very little use otherwise. Right tool for job at hand.
I do. Until the car broke down and is sitting in my garage until I figure out how to fix it (GM has disowned Volts)
@@Allister2000 I would keep it out of the garage until it’s diagnosed and repaired. If there is an issue that’s to do with the battery, stay safe and park it outside, thermal runaway is no joke.
I've been driving plug-in hybrids for 11 years now, and they are a great move from gas-only vehicles. But I did recently buy a used Tesla Model Y and it is better overall. First off, the majority of todays BEV owners (80%) charge up at home overnight. And most people in American drive less than 40 miles per day. So then for most of us charging stations, range and charge speed are NOT problems. For longer drives I've found the Superchargers convenient and relatively quick. Plus as Ben mentioned, for longer trips I usually fly. Actually, in the past when I wanted to drive a long distance I would rent a car because it was smarter than putting a lot of mileage on my own cars. I do think that hybrids and plug-in hybrids will be a growing market, but I think that most of the sales will be replacing gas only vehicles. Many of the early plug-in hybrids had a very short battery-only range. But the Chevy Volt changed that, and now the Prius Prime offers similar capability. But at the same time BEVs are getting more range, at lower prices.
To drive 40miles/day a Kei-car style vehicle should be enough. But not wealth signalling device that accidentaly has 4 wheels.
Ben this might blow your mind... but the Amish LOVE solar. Their resistance to electricity was really about being dependent on the outside world. Now that they can own their own power generation solar panels are everywhere and they are all riding e-bikes. That does vary from community to community, but many communities have now adopted solar. So even in Amish country you can probably find a place to plug in.
I did buy a used Chevy Volt years ago just to test the waters for a BEV. After a few months, I realized that going full electric made perfect sense for me. I then bought a used Tesla Model S and now drive a Lucid Air Pure. It seems like the media frequently uses worst case scenarios when talking about EV purchases. Right now there are fantastic deals for lease purchases or low mileage used EV’s. I live in San Diego and have not had any real issues with the Electrify America network and I also charge from home. And as you pointed out, renting a car for those periodic long road trips is a great option. I have talked to so many people who have thought about an EV but have been scared off by the current negative media blitz. Instead of a full rounded balanced discussion, it seems like “slowing BEV sales”, “too expensive”, and ‘lack of infrastructure” are now the common narratives…and at the same time, China is rapidly expanding their market. I fear we are possibly going to repeat our “Japanese car disruption” experience of the 80’s unless we change our mindset. Thanks again for the informative video.
Bolt was the Bomb
I know there are people have a plug in hybrid but doesn't know much about it, just think they have a short range EV and drove on electric only, never full up the gas since the first day for the whole year.
We will repeat our “Japanese car disruption” experience except for Tesla. We are on that track and I don't know what will stop it. The legacy OEMs are falling into the same trap and they don't see it. Well, I guess that is what it takes to get the US to understand that there is a change over and there really isn't much that can stop it.
Same story for me, though I went from the Volt to a Leaf to a Rivian. The Volt really was ahead of its time and was a really nice car.
China is at about 55% on NEV sales of total market share, and that number is increasing rapidly.
Half of which are hybrids.
Because factories buy their own products and immediately transfer them to scrapyards.
Keep up the good work Ben. Endless amount of misinformation and content.
Makes me wonder who's paying for the majority of this misinformation? Toyota? Other brands have a bigger toe in the EV water.
Yes, we've heard all the arguments many times, but I'd love an investigation into where they come from. How much is just pandering to people who like to feel outraged about change, and how much is deliberate propaganda, and who is paying for it?
The one with the most to lose because of renewable energy and EVs, the Petroleum Industry has trillions of dollars in profits to protect and they have an experienced, well funded, well connected, and talented, corrupt propaganda machine
Thanks Ben
Well done! Excellent EV support. G. Dybwad, Phoenix, AZ
I live in the UK. I spend £1400 a year for fuel for my ICE car. I do about 10k miles a year, and diesel is £1.45 a litre at the time of this calculation.
My car is a diesel automatic, large tourer with no shortcuts, proper family car. It has a range of close to 700 miles with one tank of fuel. This range and fuel economy is with full AC blasting in summer and heating in winter, including heated seats and heated steering wheel on, daytime running lights, dash cam continuously recording, stereo on, etc. All of those features on will reduce an EV’s range.
I’ve bought the car for £10k used, but in great condition and very low mileage (below 15k miles). I was able to buy it without taking out a loan. I own the car.
An equivalent sized and condition EV (note my car is large and for my needs I need a larger car, not a small hatchback like a Leaf or VW eGolf) so equivalent EV would have cost me at least 2 times as much here in the UK, even used. This means that I would need to drive that EV for 10 years to break even with the fuel cost.
Likely sooner than that, that EV would depreciate in value, and the battery would deteriorate too, with any warranty running out.
In any event by the time I’d break even on fuel, I’d need to buy another car again.
Additionally, public charging costs are increasing, so unless someone only charges at home and doesn’t go further than 150 miles radius, it’s hard to predict how much the running costs of EVs will fluctuate in the next 10 years.
So. No. I’ll hold off for now.
P.S. the sales of EVs in the UK is slowing and some dealers don’t even take electric cars as part exchange. The market value of those cars seems volatile. I’m puzzled why 🤔
We all assess these things differently but you at least seem open to the idea of EVs once they make sense for you economically. There needs to be enough adopters upfront in order to drive the lower costs down the line. That is likely to happen and is happening.
As a society it is far better that we rid the roads of as many dirty diesel vehicles as soon as practicable though - and I say this as someone who drove one 10 years ago in the UK (and we loved that car back then).
Now in Australia and have owned a Tesla since 2019 (which was by far and away the most expensive car I ever bought) so know both sides of this. Hoping the Tesla is good for another decade so that it pays its way. Love the Tesla by the way. Amazing to drive but definitely not the same comfort level as my old Skoda Superb.
Out of Spec reviews had a good piece recently about the charging infrastructure in the Los Angeles area being a less than pleasurable experience because there are not enough working chargers to meet the high volume of EVs that have been sold in that market. As an owner of multiple EVs (non-Tesla), I agree completely that it’s an issue. Additionally, another major issue is the lack of public EV charging stations in Las Vegas to meet the demand of those drivers that take a trip from one of the California coastal cities since waits to charge for the return trip can often be hours just to have access to a charger.
I'm a big fan of taking the chargers to the cars, not the cars to the chargers. So, where are those visitors parking? Start putting up lots of level 2 chargers there. I'd love to see some kind of cheap systems emerge for hotels that ties the unlock of a charger to a room, and can manage the peak power usage across dozens of chargers. And ultimately, like in cities, you want to aim for enough chargers, that people will accidentally end up within reach of a charger often enough that they seldom have to go out of their way to charge. The US added nearly 1.2 million EVs to the fleet last year, and will likely add more this year, so it's not surprising we find some issues.
Very true. Drove the Tesla to LA from Phoenix for the first time. Wow, we have never had to wait for a charger in 20,000 miles..... until we got to LA. I've never seen so many Teslas, and I have never waited so long to charge. That being said, LA is probably compounded by the percentage of people who have expensive homes yet still don't even have access to a garage to charge at home. Forcing more people to superchargers.
It is a shame in the US, but I think there is a back door damage being done by the oil industry. I am from the UK, and have a Tesla while my wife has a e208 (a small car she really likes ). We have been on several long journeys in the e208 and not had any problem with charging, the biggest issue is the longer charge times, but then it is a pee + coffee and snack rather than just a pee in in a Tesla during a stop.
In the UK, it is not ideal, but we don't consider a long journey in a car that has a practical stop distance of 150 miles (about 3 hours !!!!) any problem. We can change with touch and go credit cards, and the chargers were always working and there was enough chargers. The prices are crap of course (same prices as petrol/gas per mile).
Yes, it is easier in a Tesla, but most important, my wife does not consider it a problem have a e208 regarding charging. At home we pay 7p/kWh over night - so 90% if very cheap, and a perk from my workplace is free charging..
Done quiet a few road trips in my model y coming from LA, never had a problem with waiting for chargers, the trick is to supercharge before you get into LA , than I just plug it in at my house once I’m home
Toyota is the new Kodak
I might be in the rare circumstance that owning a plug in hybrid has been perfect for me. I recently purchased a 2014 Chevy Volt and love it. Previous to this i was driving a 2001 chevy 2500 hd truck. My daily commute for work varies between 35 and 60 miles. The volt gives me 35 to 40 miles on ev only, and i can charge at work for part of the time im working. So 4/5 workdays a week, i dont need to use gas. I do have a property in a different state i need to check on and love to take road trips when available on the weekends. Having the gas availability for driving through rural america has helped a lot. I agree the quick charge infrastructure is improving rapidly, it is still not nearly as available nationwide as gas station infrastructure. So i agree there are a lot more parts and maintenance than full ev. The versatility of having multiple energy inputs has been helpful. One last bonus is that i can utilize the 12a 110v plug to charge the battery to full on this car in about 10 hours, so i dont have alot of need to upgrade my garage electrical or buy a high amp charger with this vehicle.
In the long run, I'd love to keep the volt as a backup car and buy an ev only vehicle as my daily driver, but 1 step at a time.
lol - a plug-in hybrid as a "gateway drug" - love it. Also, I haven't public charged in months.
I like to think of it as an "emotional support engine" for people who aren't ready to commit to an EV.
@@robinbennett5994 LOL!!
they cherry-pick this "days on dealer lots" stat because Tesla eschews the whole dealer paradigm for selling their cars. it's that simple.
More people live in multi-family dwellings (percentage wise) in Norway than they do in the USA. It is time to stop using that as an excuse and get chargers in place where they are needed. Excuses are like armpits. Everybody has two and they both stink!
Man, you inspired me, really, I'm from Panamá (not the US city) and man, here's the same, people here are die hard petrol heads. I bought a brand new SUV EV for 20k!, yeah, it's a Chinese brand, but man, it has so much things packed in that it doesn't really feel like a 20k car!
I've been looking to make a similar channel to yours but localized for my country to make awareness of the advantages of EVs and debunk some myths and misconceptions; our country is a speck of dust compared to yours in terms of size, so EV range is not a big deal at all, yet people still believe they'll get zeroed out on the road. I charge with a LV1 charger at home at that is more than enough for me, imagine the possibilities with a LV2 or a LV3 carger.
Another great video. We need more myth busters like you. Amazing how people can still make stupid comments out there. But hey I still see stupid comments about smart phones.
Hybrids are ICE vehicles with EV parts
Some are BEVs with an ICE generator to charge the battery.
@@letsgotospace1900
Please take into account that true hibrid's batteries have very small capacity (usually well below 10kWh) and those electricity storing devices may not even be chemical batteries (it may be high-voltage capacitors). Plugin hybrid can be BEV+generator. I.e. Misubishi Outlander PHEV fuel consumption increases by 2l/100km in case on board battery is loaded by running petrol engine.
Ben, I really enjoy the new videos where you combine your love of EVs and expertise in Data Science to debunk the FUD out there. Keep up the great work!
I am one of the anecdotes. I owned a 2014 Chevy Volt which I loved, but that was the car that showed me I didn't need to use the gas engine as a crutch and I could go all electric. Like you mentioned, I literally filled the gas tank around 2-3 times a year. Switched to a Leaf shortly after that, and now to a Rivian. Will never go back to Hybrid or ICE again.
It's like charging networks without NACS wondering where all the cars are. You need to support and count the most popular EV: Tesla.
I bought a Honda clarity PHEV 5 years ago and followed up with a Tesla model Y 2 years ago. The PHEV was definitely instrumental in my moving to a BEV. With the PHEV, I got used to plugging in every night to a regular 110v outlet to top off the battery. When I needed more of a charge than the 110v charger provides level 2 are widely available in my area. I only use gas when I go on road trips. Even with Teslas supercharger network I find the PHEV more convenient for road trips (about once a month) simply because there are so many gas stations. I will go completely BEV in my household when it’s almost as easy to find a charger on the road as it is to find a gas station.
Good point on PHEV. The top issue with me on EV for driving long distances is other EV owners saying I'm doing it wrong.....they want me to wait 20-30 minutes to stop, they want me to stretch my legs for 20-30 minutes....they also want me to eat at every stop.....alot of these don't apply to me when I'm driving on a pHEV/hybrid/ice car.....I can rotate drivers, stop only to pee and while doing the walk spend 30 seconds to stretch or so.....eat with one hand.....I think being forced to do multiple stops and resting 20-30 minutes for me, I don't like it.....hence why I will never be an exclusive EV family....these folks need to start focusing on these issues instead of going against one another, forcing one towards another...and at the same time wasting tax payers monies
@@consolemasterEveryone has their own personal preferences with respect to stopping en route. As a retired older driver who makes more frequent stops I don’t mind the extra time. The issue I ran into is that while Tesla superchargers are readily available in urban areas and along interstate freeways once you get off into the less traveled areas finding a charger can be a headache.
Wonder if companies that struggle to make hybrids (Japanese, Chrysler) are paying these fud pieces. "Plug ins are so much better" even though it's baseless and incorrect, some company wants phevs to take off, and are hoping to eat Tesla's sales to get it
Toyota made their big investments into hybrid and Hydrogen cars, the later being a wasted investment. They should have gone EV on a model or two a long time ago. They want everyone in a hybrid because it serves them.
@@mylesgray3470and people are buying them in droves
Big oil
Why doesn't Tesla educate the public on the reality of BEV ownership? Elon start meaningfully advertising!
Doesn't jibe with his current political bedfellows views.
The best advert for EV ownership is EV owners. Having the best selling car in the world without marketing is testimony to that and, let’s face it, the Model Y ain’t a thing of beauty.
Hybrids, plug in or otherwise are silly. For a few simple reasons. Most people don't drive more than 60 miles a day, almost any EV nowadays will give you more than that range. Most cars are parked 22 to 23 hours a day. Plenty of time to charge them. 99 of driving for most people is local driving not road trips. Many EV's sold today can supercharge from around 30% to 80% in about 15 to 20 minutes. That should be convenient enough for most people.
"Range anxiety" is a term created most likely by Toyota to scare people from buying EV's. And it is only suffered by people who own gas cars and are thinking about an EV, but only in their heads, not in real life. Those of us who have been driving EV's for years suffer no range anxiety whatsoever.
I love how you brush away the cost of EV vs ICE cars: "Just get used EV's if you're worried about cost. The depreciation on EV's is huge, so that makes them a good value!"
Uh.. The depreciation is huge for a reason. Why don't you explore that?
I'm currently driving a 17 year old ICE vehicle. I change the oil once a year. Big whoopee. I'd save sooo much money buying a $50K used F150 Lightning that would be capable of pulling my fishing boat like my current ride does. I'm gonna' run right out and do that.
If you buy an electric only vehicle, you can only get 250 miles range, at best. With a Hybrid, when your battery runs out of juice, and it will, you still have a gasoline fueled range of up to 500 miles. SPECIOUS ARGUMENT! Fact: If you have a Lucid Air GT, you have 500 miles of range, and if you plug it in at home every time it goes down to 50% charge, you will never run out of range. I do not know anyone who can afford to buy a Lucid Air GT. So you're stuck with Tesla and 250 to 350 miles on a single charge. I still can't afford to buy one. I don't need a luxury car, which most of the EV manufacturers insist on building. If I could get one for around $25,000, and charge at home when I need to, it will fill 95% of my driving needs. If I need to cover 1000 plus miles in a day, I can rent a gas car cheaper than I can buy same gas car for those three day emergencies. It's called a Paradigm Shift, and it might actually feel good. But I still can't afford to buy one. My wife just told me I need to go out in the back yard and clean up after the dog, so I'm done with my rant.
That's our sleazy MSM! I stopped listening to them 7 years ago.
To be honest the charging infrastructure in North America is still not as ubiquitous or as convenient as gas stations.
We're running with the same rhetoric as oil supporters. But, unless we don't focus on making traveling a non-issue for those who don't want to charge and wait 20-30 minutes, I think the rhetoric of EV proponents and those who are resistance to switching will always be there. Got to make the charging experience a non-issue and not a problem. Spending energy on rhetoric is not the same as spending energy to have Tesla support 400kw chargers, and upgrading their existing sites up to 400kw. Come on man! I stopped using Tesla Model S to go on vacation because I hate to wait at the charge stops, and doing multiple stops. Don't give me the reason, you don't eat/bathrrom/sightsee bs.....I never needed to do any of that other than just bathroom break, less than 1-2 minutes to stop, pee, then return to move on.....eat? I eat. One handed, and sometimes I rotate drivers. No need to wait......don't give me that bs about planning too.....Who don't plan when going on a vacation?
Valid points you’ve made there. But the solution won’t be simple.
Real life range is nowhere near the claimed range, temperatures, using climate control, wet road conditions, even just running a dash cam or having your headlights or the stereo on, all these will reduce the range.
The range will always be a challenge. Batteries are heavy. Put in more batteries but then you haul around yet more weight, which uses more energy, reducing the range at the same time a bit again, catch 22.
As of the charging time, due to simple laws of physics, there is a limit on how fast you can charge batteries regularly without damaging them too soon.
Your car meant to last at least a few years, including the battery. Car manufacturers even try to safeguard the latest batteries, because it’s an issue: Toyota has instructions that some of their EVs can’t be fast charged more than once a day.
Many other batteries aren’t recommended to be charged above 80%.
It’s a long way to go to what you need based your description. I’m sticking to my ICE car too, for various reasons, but I do appreciate that EVs have a use case for urban use as a runaround if the person can charge at home.
When the people state "best value proposition" in their statements about hybrids, what they really mean is "best profit proposition".
A hybrid is more complex and as such means it will be more costly to maintain or more costly to repair. This leads to more profits by the car makers and lets not forget they lock you in for maintenance with IP/Warranty blocks so that others cannot do ANYTHING for you should you choose!
The notion a hybrid is a stop-gap measure is not entirely correct since the need to be more "green" is not there with hybrids. You carry around a battery and motor as backup which is a burden on the ICE component every time you drive the vehicle.
hybrid are not more complex....can be worked on at home by anyone....lol....I think hybrid being more complex is old at this point
Batteries exist that are absolutely impossible to set on fire. The average EV battery has at least a slim chance of catching fire. The hybrids that are out now have those inferior batteries. Gasoline is flammable 100 percent of the time.
Most people are on the Second step...
First step: I need to be more fuel efficient and pollute less.
First action: Buy a hybrid
Second step: I run on battery most of the time. Why don't I use some energy from the grid?
Second action: Buy a plug-in hybrid
Third step: Why do I have to use my battery to haul this engine around when I don't really need it?
Third action: Buy a BEV
Infrastructure doesn't exist in most European countries
Tesla is the most reliable ev of the bunch, but yup, the media “overlooks” it and lumps them all in. That’s like saying a Toyota is en par w a GM vehicle.
A stop sale on VW EVs isn’t helping right now .
I smile when I read how FUD evolves. Here in Australia EVs have come down in price markedly and the influx of Chinese models is set to continue that trend. So instead of arguing that EVs are too expensive to buy which was the common refrain they now say they are too cheap so your new EV will be “worthless” in 3 years time. They don’t of course recommend you save even more by buying a used one because of course that will allegedly need a $20,000 battery replacement.
When the arguments are this fluid and ignorant you have to accept that it is deliberate misinformation and that this is being coordinated.
An old adage applies to the CNBC story, as well as those like it: Numbers don't lie, good accountants do.
The sad truth is that it's possible to use certain numbers to support a narrative. In this case, CNBC used a metric that's not objective or quantifiable. Year-over-year growth is objectively the best metric by which to judge growth of anything. Why? Because it can only be downwardly influenced by a single factor: Supply. Assuming no supply chain issues, labor strikes, or manufacturer production limits, supply should be able to keep pace with consumer demand.
While it's undeniable that EV sales growth has slowed, year-over-year EV sales remain healthy.
Why has growth slowed? Could it be that the market for the current crop of EVs is reaching saturation? Could it be that manufacturers aren't producing the vehicles for which the market is ripe (right-sized, affordable BEVs)?
A new Tesla Model 3 sells for $40,390 (Destination and Order Fees included). Less the $7,500 clean vehicle credit, that brings the price to $33,130. That's a killer deal for one of the best selling vehicles in the US.
The numbers, data and statistics don't lie.
I remembered when my homegirl rented a tesla. She hated it, but i loved it. What I will say, though, is that we were able to charge just fine. I do see more people losing their mind because she was driving an EV. There was a guy who was driving very erratic around us. He didn't want us to pass him.
That's why for now I drive an Audi e-tron, looks no different than the gas variant. Keeps The crazies at bay.
@@foam27 that's good to know. Crazy how an electric car makes people lose their minds.
Tesla doesn't report sales monthly, so any report showing monthly average is skewed by including them. Tesla has announced their sales are DOWN worldwide like the other manufacturers, including in China. Plus, Tesla doesn't have dealers, so it is hard to include them in this type of chart. Since you are so biased towards EV that you would never admit BEV sales are slowing because early adopter market has been saturated and the mass market is not sold on them. Germany stopped their rebates on BEVs this summer and sales plummeted. I trust iSee and Autoline for non-biased reporting, not you.
What the infrastructure needs to be good is to just finish the NACS standardization.
I don't get how a plug in hybrid can be manufactured for a reasonable price, as it must include both the gas and electric motors and battery, etc. However, they are being sold for "reasonable prices
Because they have a little gas engine paired with a little battery and little electric motor, none of which are particularly expensive.
You are the voice America needs to listen to. Sadly they are watching Disney...
Ben, have you looked into the data around EV fires being more in plug-in hybrids than full EV's because the smaller battery packs in the plug-in Hybrids are smaller battery packs and worked harder than full EV's battery packs? I have seen this mentioned by a couple of people on the web. Thanks
If a fire ever happened from battery use, even constantly, it would be recalled immediately.
A lot of the EV fires are actually electric bikes and scooters, not cars.
@@rugbygirlsdadg udertand that, but there have been a number of electric vehicles fires reported.
I have an idea, why don't they make a phone that has a battery that only lasts about 20ish mins, outside of that it'll have a little engine and a gas tank to support it. It'll be a lot faster at filling up than charging a regular phone will be. That is about what I think of plug in hybrids.
The only market where Gas cars are superior to EVs is rentals for long distances.
1. You don't have to worry about maintenance costs.
2. Cost of gas is very close to those overpriced DC fast chargers you'll find along the way.
3. They generally cost less to rent.
4. And more importantly, if you're an EV owner, renting a gas car for long trips = less wear on the tires + battery, and less use of your windshield washer fluid (I literally couldn't think of anything else here).
suspension wear (upper control arm, lower control arm, coolant pump or coolant leak - tesla model s/x uses 4 way valve that leaks every few thousand miles (range 30k to 60k miles) because they're made of plastic and overtime becomes brittle, fuse could fall out of its compartment overtime)......you have these same wear issues on EVs as you do on ICE
@@consolemaster Suspension yes, I forgot that. Also steering uJoint in pre 2017 Model S/X. They're exposed to the elements.
"you have these same wear issues on EVs as you do on ICE"
Ridiculously misleading. ICEs have thousands of extra moving parts.
"tesla model s/x uses 4 way valve that..."
Be more specific. A 2012 model S is an almost completely different animal than say, a 2018 or 2022.
@@ElMistroFeroz it's easy to fix an ICE car than it is an EV because of this.....the thousand of parts is actually the small tubes and wiring....otherwise, if you look at the modularity like drive train, fuel pump, engine block, transmission, compressor....pretty much about the same.....routine maintenance such as oil change is super easy to do, spark plugs on most 4 cylinder cars are easy to do....many of these can be done at home....however, on an EV, it's a little bit different.....you need to locate a service center or a local mechanic who can work on it if there's ever a problem
@@consolemaster Yeah makes sense. I have about 104K miles on my F250 and have yet to change its small tubes and wiring. But when they wear out I can probably google the proper ways to repair/replace them in my garage. My mechanic actually said that my tubes and wiring are fine last time he checked them, so I'm not worried. There is is a pointy thing next to the alternator but I don't know what it is but I'm sure it's part of the truck. Luckily I can take it to a mechanic so he can tell me. I can only imagine if I had to spend the time locating an EV service center for them to charge me $200 just to tell me the pointy thing is normal.
At the Everything Electric Canada 2024, Sandy Munro of Munro Live repeated the following at multiple panel discussions: "Hybrids will become the pet rock of the automotive industry."
I agree. Hybrids make no sense. When you look at PHEVs, such as the Toyota Prius Prime, Ford Escape, etc., they provide sufficient all-electric range to more than cover the average daily requirements for US drivers (40 miles). Meanwhile, when operating on only battery, the vehicle must carry around hundreds of pounds of an unused internal combustion engine. Then, when operating as an ICEV, the vehicle must carry around hundreds of pounds of a depleted battery.
Buy an EV for everyday driving and rent an ICE vehicle for the edge cases.
Hybrids are still almost 1000 lbs less than an EV. And, since most people who drive hybrids, they generally on occassions will want to drive long distances to see family and relatives. Unless they have money to buy two cars, one for EV and one for ICE, that's their alternative is to buy PHEV. On that note, they probably have limited time to spend on vacation so if they have to wait 20-30 minutes each and everytime to charge up, doesn't make sense to them.
@@consolemaster I'm an EV owner. Mine is a Bolt EUV that weighs 3,500 lbs., which is about the same as comparable subcompact ICE SUVs (Chevy Trax, Mazda CX-30, Buick Envista, Nissan Kicks, etc.). You can look it up.
Looking at an example of a true apples-to-apples comparison, a Kia Niro (ICE) weighs 3,071 lbs. The Kia Niro PHEV weighs 3,336 lbs. and the Kia Niro EV weighs 3,721 lbs., just 385 lbs. more than the PHEV. So, an error of more than 250%.
As for charging on roadtrips, the time difference between charging (10% to 80%) vs. fueling is pretty negligible. As an example, when I stop to charge, I also take the opportunity to use the restroom, top up the ice in my tumbler, grab a drink and/or some food, perhaps stretch my legs a bit. I did the same when driving my ICE vehicle and fueling stops were about the same or just a little less. So that argument's a wash, as well.
On the flip side, I recently traveled over 1,000 miles each way. The total cost of charging? $230. Assuming $3.25/gallon at 18 mpg, the cost of fuel would've been $395. That equates to a 42% cost reduction.
lol excluding Tesla. Why would you exclude the majority of the data that makes the metric??
I had a Prius before I got my Tesla, and when my son was looking for a car, I suggested he look at PHEVs. This was a year and a half ago, and it turned out PHEVs were even more expensive than plain hybrids. I see this is still true.
They are more expensive mainly because they have a bigger battery.
The problem I see with plug in hybrids is if you don't you the gas side of the equation that has will go bad in a matter of months. This can be owning a gas car with your Bev and you rarely use it . The two are not really compatible.
I originally thought the hybrid was a bridge to a bev but Tesla changed that for me when they got a range over 200 miles and the creation of their supercharger network so the last bastion to keeping a gas car was greatly reduced with the opportunity for long distance travel
Yea, it’s a little crazy to lug around an engine and fuel system as a range extender. Just go EV.
@@mylesgray3470that’s a stupid argument. Nobody cares what the car is lugging around as long as it’s efficient and reliable
@@JDMSwervo2001 I’d argue they do care when they need to pay for it when they buy the car and maintain it. Still needs oil changes, smog checks, coolant flushes, etc. I own a Prius and a Tesla and I’m personally tired of all the maintenance the Prius has required. Clogged EGR system, bad water pump, spark plugs, and the head gaskets fail around 175k miles give or take which I’m at 150k. All stuff I don’t need to worry about with an EV.
@@mylesgray3470 head gaskets failing isn’t that common of an accountable considering how many Priuses are on the road even ones from 20 years ago
@@JDMSwervo2001 he head gasket problem is really a 2010-2015 Prius issue. The older ones rarely failed. Some fail at 100k miles and some last past 200k miles but they all fail if you drive them long enough due to thermal cycles of the engine. It’s about $3k to repair so most people just scrap the car at that point. The hybrid battery also usually fails at about 12 years old. Replaced mine last year for $2,500, plus labor. These cars are money pits in their old age.
Also note that the plugin hybrid mpg figure includes an assumption that owners will plug in every day. This may not be the case - a year or two ago there was a survey of plug-in drivers in the UK which reported that 92% of drivers never plugged in (so actually used more fuel than regular hybrids due to additional weight of the larger battery). To be fair this set of vehicles and associated running costs were provided to drivers as part of their pay package so there was no financial incentive to plug them in….
they don't user more fuel...site the source please
In my Country (Austria) EVs lost over 7,9% from January to August (compared to the same time in 2023). Tesla lost over 17%. At the same time, Gasoline-Cars went up by 8%. Such a decline at a total fleet-share of only 3,5% is worrying. And there is a 5400€ Incentive still running from the State! If this stops> Freefall of Sales! I would love to go electric but still my Car and my Scooter use fossil fuels. The Reason? Purchase cost. As simple as that. Tesla made a huge mistake by stopping at the Model 3 size. Smaller car for smaller budgets would sell like crazy.
I think you need to reread the article. Tesla is among the fastest selling of used car brands. That obviously is not the same as new cars. Your point is is invalid.
Exactly
I assumed it got that * probably because if included, it heavily skews the average.
EREVs will likely be the best option for most people. Unfortunately it'll take awhile for proper EREVs to be widely available.
Many Amish do have electricity. Solar and battery are acceptable to many almish because you are not depent on being connected to the greater grid.
Of course not all agree but many do. EV's would also fit this standard as would Electric agricultural equipment.
I looked at a Nissan Leaf in 2012. I really liked it for daily commuting plus I could set up charging at work so 'fuel' was free. I do about 4 longer trips a year so renting a car was still a good option. My only concern at that time was battery life. There was no solid data. If that battery had to be replaced it voided any savings. With all the battery life data on Tesla I would be an old man before I ever needed to replace the battery. There still may be a VERY RARE instance when I need to rent a car.
Nissan Leaf is one of the few BEVs that actually indicate battery health. Used BEVs are so difficult to judge/price because most models don't show how much battery life there is left.
And the plugin hybrid is worse on gas than the regular hybrid.
Did you mean that as a satire...lol
to be fair, how do you charge an EV if you live in an apartment? Very few have outside outlets.. Without running an extension cord, seems flat out impossible for 20% of americans.
I live in a townhome though, and convering my garage to my personal gas station/service depot has been the best decision.
A friend drives an EV and lives in an apartment, and works 5 miles away. he charges at the office
It won't take long for apartment building owners to realize that installing EV chargers is a relatively low-cost way to add another source of revenue.
Ben, you make generally interesting and informative videos! You missed the mark this time. Tesla is referred to as among "the fastest-selling used car brands", not new cars. The same article states that "Six of the 20 he fastest-selling new cars are hybrids, with one EV making the list." My assumptions about that statement are that the EV is the Model Y, that there is a bias against Tesla (and Musk) and that the fossil fuel industry is ultimately behind all of this propaganda (aka FUD). Legacy automakers are happy to jump on the bandwagon!
What is "length of time to sell?"
When does the clock start?
If it starts from when an order is placed by a customer, that's meaningless in terms of popularity. It's just a measure of backlog times.
Good point
Thanks for making this video - when I saw this original video, I laughed at how delusional the media was and it felt very misrepresented. I am on my second EV (Rivian) and I will occasionally rent a gas car for seriously long road trips (as I did last week in the Death Valley area) and also if I'm in some place like Hawaii with weaker infrastructure.
Had a plug in Hybrid -- a Kia Niro. It was a very satisfactory car, but I found that I was having to put fuel stabilizer in the tank as I was going 3 to 6 months between fill ups. Also, to maintain the warranty I was having to change oil, etc., at the manufacturer's recommended miles/months intervals even though the ICE engine was hardly used at all. I now own a Mustang Mach-E.
I own a hybrid for the same reason I don't own an EV: price. Today a hybrid Toyota cost almost the same as a regular one. The difference is about 2,000 bucks, that money is easily recouped since the millage of a hybrid car is almost double of a regular one. So.... EVs must be some 10K cheaper yet.
Jim Farley said they make more money on hybrids
Hey Ben - the Amish (some of them) are actually purchasing and using EVs (mostly E-bikes), and charging off of solar and stationary batteries. Not sure if you just sort of picked them because "technology bad" or you didn't mention it for some other reason, but much of their "eschewing technology" is about being dependent on the "English" world rather than about whether or not electrons flow through copper or silicon. Owning the solar panels allows them to be independent in a way they couldn't do with petroleum.
Thank you for your good work against EV misinformation. As a token I subscribe you.
Toyota predicted hybrid sales would increase and later announced the 2025 Camry would only come in hybrid and hybrids seem to have priority builds over non hybrid, thus meaning consumers who want a Toyota will likely need to take home a hybrid if they want a vehicle now. This all forces sales if Toyota hybrids to grow. Toyota will just say consumers are picking hybrid, but they are stacking things in favor of the hybrids.
Kerp in mind the economies of scale factor. If Toyota can increase the hybrids they build, it should drive their costs down. It helps Toyota, but do not couch the hybrid sales increae as true consumers choice.
Not just that, as their Hybrids proliferate, they'll keep money circulating in the service industry because those hybrids aren't going to maintain themselves! Toyota certainly knows what they're doing.
Ben you should do your homework .. China already hit the 50% mark on NEVs in July
also excluding Tesla from sales is like saying: "do we need gas stations? I haven't seen a car owner buying kerosene lately" (lets exclude gasoline and diesel)
Thanks for keeping the story fair.
Hey Ben, really really enjoying this debunking series. I took to facebook a while back before you started this and did my own series. Its started quite a few interesting conversations. Ive even linked a couple of your videos in it. Anyway, comment on this. I dont think that hybrids are the worst of both worlds... though i have said that in the past. Depending on how the hybrid is spec'd and its design. A full ICE over electric, like the new Ramcharger or the one that Deboss is doing custom....with a battery pack capable of 80 or so miles....to me....thats IDEAL out here in rural Nebraska. Having a VERY usable daily electric range along with ICE backup is fantastic. Now the REAL difference is...."Are we designing a gas car with electric, or are we designing and electric car with gas backup?" To me, that perspective is the difference between a good hybrid and a hybrid in name only.
THANKS BEN 🤗💚💚💚
These are so good. Keep'em coming. Thanks Ben!
I live in Ireland - a new M3 RWD is roughly equivalent to a new Toyota Corolla (2nd lowest spec model), it’s 3k cheaper than a new base model hybrid CHR, and 8k cheaper than a new Prius plug in hybrid - to me and for my needs the RWD M3 is perfect - I love it and saved a load of cash too over ICE equivalent (not that they are even equivalent!!)
Hybrids should ALWAYS have been with the gas/diesel engine configured as generator only.
Trains tried and rejected decades ago having both engines run the drive-train.
The non-plug in hybrid was the dumbest option of all, regardless how small your traction battery was, unless you have a diesel and only enough battery to buffer the electric drive motors... like a friggen train!
And yes, I do have a reservation with Edison Motors pickup conversion =oP
I think the generator only concept was not feasible 25 years ago for the first gen Prius but I do agree they should have switched to this for the gen 4 in 2016. Instead the made a car with neatly the same efficiency as the outgoing model and same for the new gen 5 Prius hybrid.
Can we focus on making commuting on an EV non-issue? How do we do this? Make it so there's more capable 400kw chargers or more, and keep adding them daily. Plugshare only showed like 10 in "coming soon" across the USA. Not everyone want to wait to charge 20-30 minutes. The reason of eat/stretch/bathroom/sightsee doesn't apply to everyone! I surely don't want to sightsee at the rest area. I don't want to spend 20-30 minutes stretching, I can do that with a quick walk to the bathroom and return. If we make it so we can charge EVs from 20-80% in less than 5 minutes, and the range meets that of a typical 4 cylinder car like a Prius (and the same purchase price).....I'm sure many more ICE drivers will want to switch to EVs.
One of the biggest perks of owning an EV is to never have to wait a single second to refuel. Just plug it in and top it off every day while you sleep. If you're concerned about 20-30 minute charge times you likely don't have access to your own electricity so you might want to address that first. Plus, we need more people supporting the ICE industry because they're not doing very well right now.
I really love when someone debunk ev myths. I can't wait till companies figure out how to us no lithium in their batteries which would be a huge leap forward in the electric industry.
Great video though I think you missed making a point about plug-in hybrids. You suggested they are a nice step-up from pure hybrids, since you get 114 MPGe. But if I'm reading that chart correctly, that only covers the first 40 miles they are driven. It looks like after that, they fall back to being gas cars but only make 48 MPG, worse than the 57 for plain hybrids. Now, it is true that 40 miles is enough for many people to get to work and back, but after that 40 miles they are less efficient than plain hybrids. Early versions of plug-in hybrids had some ridiculously small amount of electric range, like 12 miles, making me wonder why they should even qualify for car pool stickers.
BTW, my wife and I own two Teslas and will never go back to owning an ICE car.
550 with the Toyota 272 with the Tesla interesting decision to make
Go Ben , keep the truth bombs coming !
Waited 1.5 yrs for my Toyota RAV4 hybrid and I love it. Avg 43 mpg combined, May eventually buy the model Y juniper.
I know this is counter to what you (and I) would like to see (400 plus mile EV range) but, if a manufacturer were to produce a plug-in hybrid with 100 miles of battery range and 500 miles of combined range, I would seriously consider trading in my EV. 😢
EV sales in the EU were down 44% last month, while ICE sales were down 18%.
hybrid are still good I think for people who cant charge at home or work. But if u can charge at home, no point with plug in, go ev. I think another year or two, with more charges, faster charging speeds, longer range ev and hopefully cheaper options, there will be no excuse. but lets face it, its usually poor people who dont have a house with a driveway, may live in a flat, they more and likely also means they wont be able to afford a long range EV, and so every few days have to find a charger and spend a hr or more charging up, as the cheaper ev generally dont support fast charging, this is again the poor people who may have two jobs, not have the time for this, while the rich dont have to do this.
plug in hybrids are more expensive and the repairs are higher
No they aren’t.
the prius plug-in hybrid is the easiest to work on at home....engine compartment is small....everything is reachable.....no need to remove the wiper cowl to replace spark plugs....I think the prius is over-engineered to make it very easy to be serviceable whenever you need to at home since most components are within reach.....oil change is easy to do (folks saying they don't have to wait at dealership anymore to do oil change on a prius are probably incompetent owners)....on an EV, it's very different....to service a fuse to some module (a $5 fuse), you need to bring it to a service center
This is such propaganda. I live in Denver and public infrastructure in this state is not here. Maybe on Cali where you but not here. Sure you can pull up a map and find something. Doesn't means it will work. Granted if you have tesla there are better options. But the main concern people have is charging time. Here in Mountain West you have 8 hours in any direction between major cities with nothing in between. An EV here as primary vehicle is just not practical.
Overall, I like your videos defending EVs. I also really like the idea of PHEVs being a "gateway drug" -- though even hybrids can be, as a hybrid (and finding I loved when I ran electric and sometimes hated with the ICE kicked on) was a major reason for wanting an EV. At the same time, I think we have to admit that the infrastructure, even while improving, is still underdeveloped and is not improving fast enough for growing EV sales. Yes, we are adding 1000 chargers a day but it seems (at least in terms of fast chargers) that availability is still decreasing.
The issue is that infrastructure is not where it needs to be. Yes, it is improving and hopefully will continue to improve, even after the new President is inaugurated. That doesn't change the fact there are areas where it is tough to travel in the US on a road trip using an EV. One great example is Yellowstone, particularly with how Wyoming is rejecting NEVI funds claiming they don't need EV chargers -- it can be tough, particularly in a non-Tesla EV, to drive around the state -- though at least Electrify America finally got some chargers along I-80 in the last year. Utah can also be tough, though with NEVI funding this will hopefully improve -- in fact, most of the mountain states have issues with number and location of chargers -- not to mention states like the Dakotas and Montana.
As has been pointed out, there are lines and issues even in Southern California; to include wait times at chargers for Teslas. Then you consider that we want to keep EV sales up, meaning we need those 1,000 chargers a day just to keep up with growing demand. Until things improve, charger availability will remain one of the major issues people refuse to adopt EVs; particularly the ability to road trip (despite for most that is maybe a once or twice a year proposition).
I also wish you'd not focus quite as much on Tesla. Yes, they are one of the largest auto manufacturers and still sell more EVs, by far, than anyone else. My issue is twofold -- first, while they still don't sell as many, there are some solid competitors to Tesla that are selling in the US and those EV owners should not be "abandoned" -- or told that because Tesla charging is so great that we don't need to worry about CCS charging availability. You even noted that other EVs are selling, by noting that you are seeing more of the Toyota (and Suburu, that looks roughly the same on the outside) EVs in So Cal.
Beyond that, we want and need these other manufacturers to sell more cars, not have Tesla be the sole source of EV cars. Again, to be able to get those cars to see, we need more and better CCS charging -- since the vast majority of them still can't use Tesla chargers. Unfortunately, there are major issues yet to solve with charging availability and dependability (and that is even before bringing up issues like cable theft on chargers).
My decision not to go Hybrid ( as in a Toyota wagon) or a Mitsubishi PHEV ( Plug in) is simple. I driven those 2 in my evaluations. Toyota hybrids and even Honda are gimmicks. The battery discharges fully within minutes of driving and attempt to recharge and discharge fully repeatedly during a drive. Question I had is what the heck for in terms of fuel savings?
The PHEV Mitsubishi, well, the battery is larger than a Hybrid but you got to drive ‘gently’, like don’t step on it, it will drain quickly and that’s it , back to gas fuel to carry on. But you have to plug in at home every day!
So I went with a real EV, a Tesla M3, after testing MGs, BYD. I only plug in once a week, that’s it! I can step on it anyway I feel like and never look back. Get a Tesla! Don’t waste your hard earned money of the wannabe electric.
You get 2 mechanical systems, traditional mechanical engines plus electric motors in Hybrids, and PHEV which means higher maintenance costs! No rocket science to go full EV.
BZ4X buyers are Toyota ride or die people.
Is there anyway you can do some sort of Ted talk or something to get word of mouth of the great advantages of EVs?
I drive long distances often and I love my plug hybrid for that. Around home, I get to have an electric but I don't need to worry about finding and scheduling charging when I travel*. It was a notch more expensive than a gas or hybrid version of the same car would have been but I'm hoping that will pay off in long term maintenance.
*I appreciate there are more charge points than there used to be, but I still usually find it too inconvenient to bother with when I'm away from home. Cost per mile for electricity at a public charger vs gas is pretty comparable, so the added time and distance to use a charger generally don't work out. If there happens to be a charger at a place that I'm already parking I'll use it, but that's pretty much the only time.
same thing some report are Excluding BYD😅
I like your channel and keep up the great work!! I just wanted to point out when you said the Plug-In vehicles have low sales, this is because only a very small amount of PHEV are made. Correct me if I'm wrong but the PHEVs that are produced are sold just as fast as any other ICE, Hybrid or BEV. The near future will be PHEVs then will move to full BEVs. ICE vehicles are being replaced by hybrids. For people on the fence I would recommend a PHEV before all BEV. Once you see how much driving you actually do with your PHEV, you may be able to determine if going fully BEV will be right for you. Do your homework.
Dude, is inconvenience of the EV, from range to accessibility of chargers to the fires, to the price. It's not the mileage. LBV
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