I have a 2023 Tesla Y. I use FSD every day. I use dog mode every day. I mostly charge at home. I pop up to my son's house in the Blue Ridge Mountains anytime I want. 650 miles. 13.5 hours. Use camp mode and fridge/freezer in his driveway. I'm 87.
Got our first EV, a Nissan Leaf in 2013. Then our first Tesla in 2018. Just went to a gas station for the first time in years when I got my motorcycle back on the road. Don’t miss ICE car ownership at all.
Doesn't change the fact that a huge majority of Americans can't afford vehicles anymore. Pay has not keep up with anything. From inflation to devaluing of the dollar. The greed of corporations. Rent increases. Home prices through the roof. Electric, water, oil and food costs are outrageous. On and on and on. Ohh and don't forget the insane taxes on everything we do. I'm surprised this country hasn't broken apart yet.
Just wait , until a kilowatt tax is added to charging. Many states use gasoline sales tax to maintain the roads. EV owners are getting a free ride for now. Those subsidies will end in the future.
@@stanhry Here is Texas I already pay a $200 EV registration fee on top of my regular fee to cover the lost gas tax. The gas tax has not been raised in years, so it doesn't cover the road maintenance costs anymore. Oil companies have been getting huge subsidies for decades. I am all for ending the EV subsidies as long as we end the oil ones at the same time.
I'm in Australia and recently bought a based Model Y 2 months ago for my wife, but I love driving it too. The experience was like 15 years ago when I switched to a smartphone for the first time. It takes a few days to get used to it but once you are accustomed to your new phone, you can't go back to a Nokia 3210. Plus I get free charging at the local shopping center too. 🕺🏻
Personally, I'm done trying to convince my friends and family how much better an EV is compare to an ICE car. They kept asking me to be the main DD since I don't pay for gas anymore. Well, they can start driving themselves again and they can continue to listen to all the fear mongering bs from people that never own an EV or have an EV as their main car lol
@@brandonn161 Maybe accepting fact that not all people will see EV's as great product as people who love them is answer. I was open to idea of EV until driving one, first one I drove was Tesla Model 3 Performance. All I see in EV's is government sponsored scam to Make individuals like Elon Musk rich, forcing consumers with inferior products. Solution is to let market decide, remove all subsidies, carbon credits etc. And let EV's become a thing on their own. That haven't happened so far anywhere in world, so I doubt that without massive political support it does happen.
People younger than me in Southern California know nothing about EVs except the disinformation they've heard, it's working cuz I've mostly given up, but I won't stand by and listen to the BS without replying, I can counter all of that
The simplest way I’ve explained EV charging to people who aren’t as familiar with. It is to think of it like your smart phone. The majority of the charging you do with your smart phone is when you don’t currently need it and you’re not actively using it, however you can still get a fast charger to top it up during the day if you need.
The EU has not actually mandated BEVs! Their focus is on zero emissions (at the tail pipe) rather than specific power trains, but, at the moment only EVs offer an answer. Other technologies may become viable, and these would also be valid under the legislation
What is the cost in lives lost from the poison emitted by ICEVs? It is incalculable. I moved away from LA in 1975, vowing never to return because of the chocking smog. Will I now live longer? If so, what is that worth? At 82, I'm glad I left for healthier, longer life. For the economy? Who knows how to monetize that?
@1voluntaryist I think it's something like 200000 people a year die from lung cancer who never smoked. Not to mention the uncountable number of allergy and asthma sufferers.
@@1voluntaryist idk where my previous reply went. The British Medical Journal did a report on this. Search "BMJ 5 million pollution deaths a year" Or something like that. People dying prematurely.
I'll never forget driving across I-10 into LA, back in the 70s. First, your eyes start burning, then your throat starts burning, then you see the brown dome on the horizon. Then you see the sign: "Los Angeles, 50 Miles"
I see hundreds of EVs every day in LA and Las Vegas. I don't even notice them anymore because they are so common. You couldn't pay me enough to go back to gas, EVs are just way more fun to drive and cheaper to operate. Ultimately, most people just care about cost, so once the price difference is undeniable, people will transition naturally.
Due to the cost of the EV, the saving in "fuel" is negligible. even more negligible if you own the EV long enough to replace its battery. $7 to $12 a fill, compared to $40 to $60 a fill sounds cheaper, but not when the EV itself cost so much more than the ICE. If one likes all things EV, aside from "fuel" costs, then this is not really much of an issue to them.
@@dera6347 I never said anything about fuel costs. I said it is more fun to drive. That’s why every time I lend someone my EV, after a week they say ok I want one. Going back to gas is barbaric. Now as for cost, it still is cheaper because battery costs drop 9% YoY and battery tech continues to improve so you can replace the battery in ten years for a fraction of the price. I don’t know why all of the Luddites always resort to the terrifying expensive battery cost. 😂
@@dera6347 also you can buy a Chevy Bolt or used Tesla. Super cheap and great cars. Nobody should buy a new car ever if you’re poor or concerned about cost.
@@mikeshafer Insurance is also much higher on EVs, as of now. The extra money to insurance eats away savings compared to ICS as Well. Reselling an EV is going to set you back to almost half the price you paid for it new, as well as it having a used battery. That used battery part causes EVs to lose value much faster than ICS. Any battery replacement will take away all energy savings compared to ICS, and batteries only last so long. If the EV is to old, nobody will buy it from you because they know that battery is about to fail. There is absolutely nothing green about obtaining the materials for a battery, assembling it, or disposing of it. At least with current battery tech. Cobalt and lithium will lead to the exact same wars as oil does. But more so, due to how much more rare those elements are on the planet.
EVs will become more popular via word of mouth, friends / family telling friends / family, more so than any marketing, SM or youtube videos. People trust face to face information more than digital or even MSM information. It's still very early days for EVs going mainstream, in the next 2 or 3 years EVs will get more traction and uptake will dramatically increase. Great video again Ben
I get a lot of crazy questions at work. One guy thought supercharging also took 6 hours. Said he waiting 6 hours to go 509 miles. I laughed told him how supercharging and charging in general worked and that I charge 90% at home and how much cost me a month. He said wow that’s not what I heard.
Why is the decentralisation of refuleling your car so hard for people to get their heads around? Charge at home... much better than having to drive to a 3rd location to refuel. Charge at work... ready to go on your drive home and soon... on street charging will be common place.
@@nickwinn7812 do you live in or near a large city? If you do then you would realize that in large populated areas things are further away than a small town. I lived in Seattle city limits and between myself and my wife we drove an average of 1,000 miles a month. Because it's nothing to have a doctor 30 miles away. When we moved to a town of 22k, largest one in the county we now average 90-110 miles per month. Surprised us in the start. I have a 54 yr old nephew who lives downtown Seattle and has to have a car. Mostly for carrying larger things and go fishing, hiking and things like that. It costs him a small fortune to park it close to his apartment. There's no charging. No place to put a charger. Think about stores like home Depot, Walmart and other large ones. They are not in the downtown core and you can't bring home a TV or window fan on a public bus. He can't even buy too many groceries unless he takes the car. And he learned real fast that if you buy groceries in small amounts it costs big bucks. Even a 12 pack of pop is way cheaper than 6 packs, as an example. Try carrying home 3 12 packs of pop and milk and eggs on a bus.
Maybe in ten years lagging apartment landlords will get around to installing charging infrastructure to get tenants to stop avoiding their units and paying more to rent elsewhere
@15:50 I Took his comments to actually agree with what you're saying. That is: despite BEVs being "better" in a lot of ways, people don't always behave "rationally" because people are not robots. So asking them to change their habits - even if their habits are not optimal - may not always work out. They'll see something better and stick with what they know, even if it's not the most efficient, cost-effective or even the most convenient thing for them to do.
@lijay1 exactly, not everyone, actually the majority of people aren't rational. I feel like these people that are so obsessed with EV's need to notice is that not everyone is like them. Most just want the most convenient thing that they're use to. EV's have there place for sure, but it's not going to be a 100%EV world. We're going to have a mix of power powertrains; EV's, hybrids, hydrogen, synthetic fuels and extremely efficient gas/ diesel engines
I live in rural WV, have been driving Tesla's for 5 years and have accumulated over 200,000 miles in that time, switched both family vehicles to Tesla Model Y's. Can't imagine going back to gas.
I didn't buy my first Tesla in 2020 because of environmental reasons or government coercion. I bought because the tech and styling blew me away. Elon made the first Electric car that more of the public could relate to and DESIRE. I remember seeing the Model S roll out 10+ years ago. I bought the stock that same week.
Yea but you just happen to experience the technology and appreciate it. In general, people feel like someone is forcing them to spend their hard earned money on something they don't understand or even care much about. Don't get me wrong, I would never go back to gas cars, but I made that conscious choice. I say get the government out of it, and even let China in. The US doesn't need to "catch up" with anything. It's been making gas cars for more than a century so let's let the free market let these two technologies duke it out and let's see who comes out on top.
If I'm not mistaken, the "study" that showed people switching back to ICE from EV only included Tesla and only people swapping at dealerships. It didn't take in to account that something like 70% of Tesla sales are people who already own a Tesla and it didn't take in to consideration any other direct-to-consumer sale. Basically, when it came down to it, the number of people actually switching back to ICE from a Tesla was probably closer to 17-20%.
Alex On Autos did two deep dive videos on this story. The original report was pure FUD. It only counted information from car dealerships. Alex got the complete data and ran the numbers. The actual number of EV owners trading back to ICE was less than 12%. And almost all of them were getting a different form factor not currently available with EV drivetrain.
I’ll never go back. Model y 2023. Had to drive my fil car across town after I had my ev for about a year thought ice cars are garbage. May get an electric truck at some point non tesla.
I am the very early adopter to EV in 2017 August 27th bought my new Model X, I never regretted and I bought also full FSD in 2017, Tesla made all necessary hardware changes for free of cost and I got life time free super charging. We do have now 4 tesla in our family and business.
The perks of being an early adopter is why I'm sometimes hesitant to recommend this technology to others. Where I live, I get to lvl2 charge for free, but that's because I'm the only one using an EV here. With mass adoption, this perk will certainly go away. Some might say I'm selfish for being fine with people believing lies about this technology, but I strongly disagree because I believe in personal accountability.
@@ElMistroFeroz Feroz, I will tell you another story, I sold my model X for $31.6k in caravan, as their price better than Tesla. My model X was good and had only 39k miles on it. Tesla has deal in the first quarter of this year, if you buy X, S or Y they said, they can transfer free super charge and FSD to my new vehicle for free of charge, and hence I sold my old Model X to Carvana and bought new Model Y For $44.5k out the door price plus I am going to get $7.5k tax credit. My old model X was not able to get FSD software even though I paid full money in 2017. Now my new model Y is driving on its own. I drove 8k miles in last 5 months including 3 trips to NJ with free super charging
I prefer ordinary charging to charging with an unnecessary prefix. Here in the UK we have far more choice and Tesla is a minor player that cherry picks its locations.
I bought a Prius back in 2013 because EV's at the time were still in their infancy (short range, hardly any public charging), and in the case of Tesla, well above my budget. But it got me used to the idea of moving a vehicle around without burning a drop of gas. I later went to a Chevy Volt, and it had enough range that I was able to do my 38 mile/61 km work commute entirely on electric, even in winter with snow tires and heater usage. It actually got to a point where I got annoyed every time it had to run the engine every 6 weeks for 10-15 minutes to keep it lubed up. In my last year of ownership of it, it "yelled" at me for not using the gas enough because that year I didn't have any long distance trips planned, and forced me to burn up most of the gas in the tank, then I had to fill it back up with fresh gas to reset the internal timer/clock (most Volt owners would never see "FMM", or "Fuel Maintenance Mode"). Around that time, GM announced they were killing off the Volt in favor of full EV's, but only offered the Bolt EV, which is fine for daily driving/short regional trips, but I wanted something that could go farther. Tesla meanwhile had just released the Model Y, and after watching a few too many Out of Spec Motoring road trip videos, I placed an order for one at the end of May 2020, and picked it up a month later in June 2020. 4 years and 101k miles later, I've been having a blast driving it. I've done numerous road trips in it now ranging from 500 to 6300 miles/804 to 10.6k km, thanks to the Supercharger network and Autopilot doing most of the boring mundane driving on the highway. I also love watching Netflix in my car during my lunch breaks at work, allowing me to catch up on a lot of shows I would've otherwise missed/skipped out on.
Autotrader is selling M3 RWDs well past 200K miles in great condition. Pretty soon people will catch on to the fact LFP batteries are practically immortal.
2023 model y. 41k miles in a year and a half. Live in south west Kentucky. Have been from there to Miami, Branson, Minneapolis, Capcod and lots of other places. Visit parents that live in eastern Ky every other week. Get to their house and plug my car in. They are in their 80’s and think they are the coolest cars ever.
I own two EVs. If I want to travel across the country once a year, I can rent an ice car, or fly if I’m in a hurry. Good video Ben , keep up the good work.
Eww. I take my Tesla cross country all the time. Would never take an ICE that I have to actually drive without FSD. The charging stops are opportunity to take a quick nap if needed, or eat a meal while I charge. Been from Milwaukee to Boston, Flagstaff, Alabama, and Seattle. Yeah, if I'm in a hurry, I'll fly, but otherwise, there is no better road trip car than Tesla.
I've VW ID.4 Crozz imported from China. It has 530 km range when charged to 100%. My daily commute is 50km max, usually about 15 km. My longest range commute is 380 km which might happen one time or two times a year. When I do it with my ICE car, I usually stop in the middle to have something to eat for 30-40 minutes. My usual long range commute is 220 km one way, where I can charge at my house and return back fully charged, or if I wanted to I would return without recharging. I don't need to change oil, filter, spark plugs, belts, all the other fluids, oxygen sensors, valve cover gaskets, rear main seal, etc... At this rate the car battery will last at least 15 years, I usually keep it between 20%-80% and charge at home at 3.5 kws. And when it fails, replacement should be much cheaper than all the maintenance costs I would have with ICE car. I don't understand why I should have ICE car
When I visited a friend in LA who owns a Tesla and lives in an apartment, when we went out to dinner at a local mall, he plugged in while we were there. No waiting for it to charge, but charged in the background while we ate.
Yes and eventually every place will start charging you for that privilege. Just like how grocery cart pushers used to help you out and put the bags in your car and took the cart back. Not anymore. Same with courtesy charging while dining or such. Bye-bye
@@a9ball1charging for the electricity is fine, with a margin to cover repairs due to vandalism for example. The important part is that you don’t need to stay at the car. The electricity being free in some places right now is a bonus.
Will be cheaper than gas. In Norway McDonald’s have level 2 chargers at each parking spot. You pull in, plug in then go eat. There are many locations like this so no one ever thinks about I need a charge.
I am an area manager and use my used model 3 LR daily....putting over 1000km per week ....zero problems way better than any gas car I have ever owned....pssst I beat 2024 corvettes and mine is 4years old....charge times only 18 min and gone....at 3rd the cost and zero maintenance
I love you channel! I correct a lot of commenters on TH-cam with facts about EVs. They don't often like to hear what I have to tell them, but there is so much misinformation out there. Thanks for what you do!
EV owners always have an advantage, we've driven gas cars so we know we're talking about, the haters have never owned an EV. If they say they do they're probably lying
You can use light bulb analogies to get them to understand why their “lol EVs charged with fossil fuel energy” arguments are silly. Point out that just as old school inefficient light bulbs are inefficient largely due to the huge portion of energy wasted as heat, gas cars have so much waste heat that they require that grille in front to keep the engine from overheating. It’s far far more efficient to burn nat gas at a power plant.
That's true but we don't need to make more gas stations. We don't need to sell home chargers for our gas vehicles. And I guarantee that electric rates will skyrocket when EV ownership hits 50%. It's the American way.
@@a9ball1 Yes, but to maintain the fossil fuel economy, you would need to extract millions of new barrels of oil every single day, EVERY DAY, FOREVER. This is where most of the direct environmental destruction is wrought. The amount of minerals needed for EV batteries is finite. Once that amount has been mined, they can be recycled and reused indefinitely. And here's the most important part: If you want your grandkids to have food on the table for dinner 50 years from now, you'd better hope those gas stations become fewer and fewer in number, starting in 2025.
@@davidmenasco5743 I was following you pretty good until you got to the dinner part. That lost me. I'm not trying to support gasoline over EV. Neither one is any good. But we are jumping in to BEV's without having the technology around for decades to see how it goes. EV's are not any better or worse. We need something else. Something better than both of those. Something that can be easily put out of it catches fire. Something that is lighter and causes less wear on the roads. And as far as fossil fuels goes these modern day EV's have more plastic in them then a warehouse of plastic bags. We don't even use rubber for wire insulation anymore, it's plastic. If a 2025 EV contained zero plastic and was easy to extinguish when it catches fire then I would be fully supporting them.
@@a9ball1 one thing to consider is that you can’t produce your own gasoline but you can produce your own electricity, with the condition that you have a suitable place to put PV panels. If you can’t use the power directly, you can sell it back to the grid.
We have had a plugin hybrid since 2019 when we wanted a BEV but after being on a waiting list we bought the hybrid but I wanted our next car to be electric but I vacillated between hybrid and fully electric. I got tired of listening to the competition between the electric engine and the gas engine that I did purchase a BEV and could not be happier. The issue with range anxiety fads after a few road trips and the experience in driving is at a totally different level, from a safety and pleasure perspective to how you feel when stuck in traffic. Electric engines are the future. Cheers
For me replacing my vehicle that get 13mpg with a BEV will pay for the new vehicle just in gas savings alone vs gassers. I own 2 vehicles a Sequoia and a XB below are the fuel cost estimates that make it a no brainer to go BEV, at least for me, but due to the distance of many of my trips an E-Bike would work for me about 50% of my trips: Fuel considerations for my personal use case: sequoia 1200mile@13mpg@3.29/gal $303.00/mo, 3600/yr scion xb 1200mile@28mpg@3.29/gal $141.00/mo,1629/yr model 3 1200mile@.10kwh $28.00/mo,336/yr
Literally one of the major reasons Americans switched to cars from horses was because cars were cheaper. Once EVs are obviously cheaper people will migrate. But yes charging at home is a game changer. If you can’t charge at home it’s not as enjoyable. The FLO chargers in LA are great for street charging though !
The pace at which China shot up to number one auto exporter in the world has been impressive. Legacy kept telling each other they had more time. They’ll now need government handouts or they will go out of business.
Simple math here. I own a F150 lightning for approximately 20 months. I drove 20k miles and I charge at home on my level 2 charger. On a gas powered F150 I would had to put gas on it at least 50 times. Assuming that I would spend around 10 minutes every time on the gas station it would be 500 minutes. Divided by 60 which brings me to at least 8 hrs of my life that I spent doing other things like playing with my kids, working, riding my mtb, etc. Nobody can buy time, but the matter of fact it saves me time. Ohhh but you have a road trip to go. If you don’t want to rely on public charging in the worst case scenario just rent a gas car. However, this is just my two cents on this subject. Each person is different.
I am not Tesla fanboy , but purchased what I researched is the best EV. I live 100 km north of Toronto and in Winter the car can still drive over 200 km on the coldest days. I have np for my needs. You can drive what ever you like.
An issue I see when it comes to public charging everywhere is vandalism- people dont give a crap about things that are meant for the public. Also people stealing cables for copper etc. You also have the people that refuse to change that will do things to sabotage things that benefit others. You see this quite a bit in the South and South West.
You know, when I was in Japan, vandalism was pretty low, people took pride in things and I left my iPhone on a table for a week and nothing happened to it. I dropped my sweatshirt and forgot it in a lunch room, I went back the next day and it was folded up and put on the table where I had been sitting. (I'm a forgetful person) You just need to teach people respect and morals. The only thing stolen while I was there was my umbrella as you leave umbrellas outside a room in a group of other umbrellas and when it was raining, people tend to take them.
I love that Ben is fact checking all of these videos and finding the actual data and putting everything into proper perspective for us.. My life has been forever changed thanks to purchasing a Tesla Model Y last September.. I've had it almost a year and find it hard to imagine driving an ICE vehicle again.. ICE is still better for towing and trips across country but 99% of the time, my Model Y is the only car I would want to drive.. not to mention the fact that it can literally drive itself literally anywhere.. which is a huge plus that no other manufacture can offer. It is faster than any gas car I've ever had and funner to drive than any gas car I've ever had. I can't imagine ever switching back!
I have had an EV since 2019. Still have a slightly older gas car but when that eventually dies it is being replaced by an EV. We won’t ever buy another gas car. Incidentally the gas car gets used less and less but costs more to own than the EV.
With the powerful push against EVs from the well financed, well connected, experienced opposition killing department of the Petroleum/GOP propaganda Behemoth it shouldn't be a surprised that some people will be influenced against EVs
@@ElMistroFerozthey are the consumers who will respond to shame. Will get an EV in eight years when EVs are significantly cheaper and it’s embarrassing to spend way more just to insist on it being a gas car. When conversations with their friends give them vibes of “oh you poor thing you have to go to gas stations still instead of getting to fill up at home”
A disgusting amount of energy is lost in a combustion engine. From a physics point of view, to say nothing about the costs of gear trains and engines, the EV is the only choice. We can not afford the Internal Combustion engine or its upkeep. Mechanics must retrain and learn electronics and computing.
They always talk about how energy is lost at the powerplant charging the EV too. They never talk about the energy lost in mining, refining and transporting the petroleum, or about how the fuel itself slowly degrades with time which means whether or not you use it, you still lose it. The total losses through the supply chain might bring that power to the wheels number closer to 10%.
Solar panels are 17 to 19% efficient, hydropower 95% (turbine only idk total efficiency), combined cycle gas powerplants 66%, coal and nuclear 33 to 42% efficient.
@@Loanshark753 commercial and residential solar is past 20% and dipping closer to 30% every month. It is the most rapidly developing technology, faster than batteries and EVs. Also, the losses of solar are... Light that doesn't get captured? Waste heat from inverters? The losses from generators lead to more emissions per unit of power produced. I'm okay with nuclear, but it's development cycle is too slow. The inefficiencies that OP is talking about are not in the generators themselves but the entire supply chain that gets that energy into a vehicle.
I think the more practical version of a hybrid doesn't have as many downsides: REV. With batteries coming down in price this isn't going to be cheaper in the near future though.
or maybe it fits their use case for now... my neighbor has a tesla m3 for his daily but a pathfinder to two his camper... he can afford it. some can only afford one so it will be only the pathfinder....
I can understand plug-in hybrids, mostly for what people think they need rather than what they actually need, don't love the idea of lugging a gas engine around though
@rp9674 everyone seems to (unnecessarily) worry about battery life. Now you add in the additional complexity of the electronics to manage the gas/electric interface plus still having oil changes, transmission service, air cleaners, spark plugs, oil leaks, coolant leaks, timing belts, additional weight, emissions, etc.
I have a 2022 long range M3. I drive 800 miles a week and it cost me on average actual cost per week is $41.00. plus the savings of no maintenance with oil changes. Would be an additional $480 a year. I use one credit card for all my charging for my EV. this make very easy to keep track of changing cost. In the long run, my EV has saved me tons of money versus driving and ice car.
Everyone does not have to buy it just like everyone didn't buy cell phones or computers in the early days. There were still people stuck with TI-85 calculators and landline phones.
EV's were around before gasoline or diesel engines. EV's faded away in early 1900's as they were worse product which buyers choose not to buy. Comparison of smartphone and EV just doesn't work as EV is older concept than better options we have had around.
@@viljamikoivunen6297 "EV's faded away in early 1900's as they were worse product which buyers choose not to buy" Seems like that darn Lead Acid tech never did well keeping up didn't it! You know, that thing that we all agree is the majority of the car, which wasn't invented until a couple of decades ago, and good BMS technology even less than 10 years ago. But let's focus on the rest of the car for the sake of argument. Those drivetrains have been around for over a hundred years haven't they!
@@ElMistroFeroz well at least they don't burn as well as the wonderful lithium ion torches. Did you see the Tesla semi that just burned up. Well if it was a gas or diesel they wouldn't have had to close the road and area for so long.
@@a9ball1 sir, ice cars and diesel trucks catch on fires too, more so; therefore, so what is your point sir? More over, the fumes that diesel engines emit cannot be healthy for the drivers over their lives. Think of all the law enforcement that sits in a gas car fumes all day when hot and cold- and during idling. You may sit in your car for only a few hours max, but if you look at the health cost of these drivers, I think those more rare battery fire is not perfect but a better risk to take. please also think of the health of people who live near busy streets.
I find these discussions interesting.. First we are at the beginning of BEV so things will take time for all things to fall in place. ICE has been around for over 100 years. Imagine BEVs even 40 years from now. Second this is a "use case issue". Everyone's use case is very different. if one does not own a home it changes things, if some does not have sufficient income it changes things. If one does a lot of weekend traveling, camping etc. it changes things. Is the infrastructure there...? No. is it getting better ?yes. Cost.. are they expensive yes. is the cost coming yes. are they expensive to repair yes. does it require maintenance every 6 months no. If you have a family of 4 or five... today you drive a mini van, the equivalent BEV is over 80K if lucky. In some places over 100K. The mini van is maybe 20K used and 40-60 new (that's a lot of gas and maintenance)? If this same family rents they have no charge at home... so go to a public charger (this can also get expensive depending on location).. well you can't since (un less Tesla) many are full or not working well and they have life to manage. How much is one's time worth? All these many consider and sometimes consider this as a risk... think of needing to pickup the litle one from day care but need to charge or will not make it... This happens to ICE drivers but this is a 5 minute discussion or 10 if busy on average.. With an BEV you are looking at 20 minutes if not one is front.. to many this is a risk... the 800V systems will help but again cost... I keep seeing all these one dimensional data that does not account for how many live there lives.. so even if 60% said they would purchase an EV and it has dropped to 58%. This is irrelevant since when they walk into the dealerships people are leaving with ICE or Hybrid (thankfully).. follow they money. So my question is of the 15.6 million (Up 12.3%)vehicle sold in 2023 [www.marklines.com/en/statistics/flash_sales/automotive-sales-in-usa-by-month-2023] , were 9 million (58%) EV's? No! So many would say people are not buying or do not want them. Are the yearly BEV purchase increasing yes. But for now the majority of vehicle buyers do not want BEV's regardless of what they are telling pollsters... will this change yes. Look at all the automakers who jumped into BEV production with Billions in investments.. they are all reducing forecast, investments, productions and new development and concentrating on hybrids. . People forget, if the public are not buying these BEV's the automakers cannot develop newer ones for the future. The future is bright but it lets stop thinking it has all arrived. - nice video
BEVs are available in China now for under $10k USD and 85% of new car buyers there are buying Chinese manufactured vehicles including Tesla. It’s the biggest market in the world.
@@MrBoatman46 You're right, even if the "Made in China" of today isn't the same as the "Made in China" of 20, or even 10 years ago, China still has to break the bad perception of their products, which will require clever marketing. It's not like Temu is helping in any way with that.
@@ElMistroFeroz Yes I agree. The 100% import duty on Chinese EV’s in the US should keep most people buying Teslas or other better EV’s and will help avoid the quality and safety problems with their vehicles. If you look at how Chinese build roads and buildings, you wouldn’t want their cars.
@@ElMistroFeroz Yes and in a way keep the gas car makers going. So not a great idea for reducing smog or climate change. I don’t want to see China get market share so at least they are kept out of the market.
He initially says that buying a vehicle is a totally rational decision then later on uses Harley Davidson in an example. There's nothing more emotional than a Harley buyer.
It's funny how the media and non-EV people always push the "what if I ant to drive 1000 miles today". It's mostly irrelevant. As an EV owner, you know how to plan trips like that and most see it as part of the adventure. I have a IONIQ 5, had it for a month now, and I never used a public charger. I also owned a 2013 Leaf before, with much less range, and I didn't use public chargers that much.
people forget the highway transformation of the US as towns popped out as way stops on long routes to provide pit stops or rest stops as the case may be for families. This littered the american mid west with a lot of small towns. EVs will continue to generate income in these towns.
“What if I need to travel 1,000 miles quickly?” Lucky for you, the miracle of human flight was made real by the invention of the airplane over a hundred years ago! Now if you’re not in such a hurry, an EV will fit the bill just fine.
If you buy the right EV no reason to go back to ice. Don’t think there is a lot of things against them if you know the truth about them. Plenty of examples out there to help with individual’s situation.
First they have to ban poluting diesel pickup trucks especially the old ones, all toxic too.... But those old school fear of new things won't change their delusional mind set. I have paying premium gas prices in my SUV, hate going to gas stations fighting to get the one "premium ⛽...can't wait to get EV truck.
@27:11 You didn't note that the McKinsey-study was totally flawed. It was 46% of people they interviewed at *dealerships* who were going back to ICE. They didn't interview people ordering their next EV online. 🙂 I also think that you underestimate the change of the paradigm shift. In my city, 50% of new car sales are EV. In 2035, the ICE car is totally dead. You don't believe that, but it doesn't matter. Just let's agree to disagree, and then we will see who is right. Nice video, by the way. Keep up the good work.
Yes electric vehicle sales are slowing down but they are still selling in record numbers every year. Everyone I know who owns a Tesla loves them. I don't know anyone who's going back. I drive a Honda Element with 147,000 mi on it but my next vehicle will be some kind of electric vehicle.
I salute the complex approach voiced in this video when environmental benefits are acquired progressively with financial, and gas saving should be more important than ideology of yes-no approaches of other outlets: ICE vs BEV entirely disdaining HEVs, PHEVs.
They also had the argument "... go on vacation once a year, and dont want to stop three times". "dont want" is a key element. If you resit adapting to whats different about EVs, because you dont want to change anything there is an issue. Some people are unable to see the inconveniences of what they doo, but consider any changes as inconvenience. They are unable to appreciate all inconvenience they remove by switching to an EV, because they are so used to them that it's too different for them to imagine not doing them do drive a car. Going somewhere to refuel, at the time of week, when price are low. They don't consider going a 10-15 km trip, spending 20-30 minutes, every second/third week an inconvenience, but 3 extra 30 minute stop once or twice a year is an inconvenience.
I love these videos debunking EV FUD. Would you at all be interested in reacting to a pro EV video and adding supporting data or relating to the video with your own experience and anecdotes?
It’s also 2024. We don’t need to be on the fence about hybrids. It’s either gas and keep stinking up the future generations, air and pollution and health problems. 😢✌️
Thanks Ben for another debunking video, the more of this the better! I have had my M3LR for almost 4 years. The fuel savings are massive. The no service required is outstanding! I would never ever go back to ice.
2 years ago we bought a 2nd gen volt and I realized two very mind changing things shortly after... 1: this car even with only 50 miles almost never needs fuel (we avg. 2000 miles between fill ups) we don't need the gas backup... and 2: I don't need a 300 plus mile EV with fast charging, I can buy a cheap used low range EV and be fine and still have the volt for longer trips without needing to fast charge! So I bought a dirt cheap 1st gen 500E mainly because I liked the style of the car and it has a liquid cooled battery (I live in Florida) it's been a year and I have put 30,000 miles on it... it's saving me a fortune over driving my Tacoma (19 mpg) which I now only use when I need to tow or haul something... a year from now my son will get his D.L. and he will take over the Fiat and I am looking for a Bolt EUV to replace it for all the same reasons (Dirt Cheap, Improvements in Space, range charging, driver assistance features)... So Yes Ben I agree PHEV's are definitely a gateway drug to BEV's and in my opinion should be the only gas vehicle they should be allowed to sell they are really the perfect car for the End User you get the best of both worlds without the downside of charging time/inconvenience. (I know worse emission's but not worse over a ICE car if using the ABC Method and you don't need anything but a regular plug) If every ICE driver lived with a PHEV it would change their minds.
@@BenSullinsOfficial I agree it's a little monster... I have never understood why it never makes it into any EV hot hatch lists I think it qualifies 😆 🤣
I bought my second EV late last year. Just did 2 600+ miles vacations, both trips I spent more time doing Pee Breaks then I spent charging. One of the 2 trips was to PA, where the closet Fast Charger was over 100 miles away. We did have to spend some time at a level 2 charger sitting in the parking lot because where we were staying didn't have a charger and that was a pain, but a few years ago the same trip wouldn't work because there wasn't even public level 2 chargers in the area.
Percentages mean nothing if you don't give the population. I ask two people if they would ever buy an EV. They said no. So 100% of the people don't want EVs (Fact). Most percentages are mis-information. (Personal opinion: Never buy a used EV unless its less than 1 yr old.)
The depreciation comment really only works if you don't keep cars for long. I kept my car an average of 9 years (granted I've only owned two cars), but the EV I will buy will be the same. I don't buy a car to think I'm going to sell it in a couple years, so depreciation never mattered to me.
If you have a place to plug in at home or work EVs are a winner. Just did a 2,500 mile road trip in 1 week and spent less of my time charging than I would have fueling an ICE vehicle and cost were less than half of the fuel bill.
How? Did you stay at many hotels that had charging? Or did you not count charging while eating at a sit-down place? Or were you drive like 50 MPH for max range???
@@dwayneam I rarely drive less than 80 mph no different than I did with my ice cars Unfortunately none of the hotels we stopped at had charging The difference is that every 3 hours or so my wife or I like to stretch / take a bathroom break/ get a coffee or a meal. With the Tesla we plug in and walk away with an ICE car you need to pay then wait for car to fill then find another parking spot to stretch/ get a coffee etc The Tesla was always ready to go before we were, when you are traveling 800 or so miles a day a break is great
Yeah I can totally see that happening. Cross country trips on gas cars you're constantly looking for those rest stops so you don't pass out and kill yourself/others. It's not like you can pull over and take a nap anywhere, as in some clown world states you get in trouble for that and are forced to keep driving. In at least a Tesla you have your rest/recharging stops merged and planned for you, so that extra time you spend charging gets offset somewhere else.
10:59 I’m very skeptical about such “carbon-neutral” “alternatives”. By nature, these will be energy intensive and not feasible to scale up indefinitely. These should be reserved for use-cases where it is utterly impractical to use batteries (e.g. airlines, but that too might change)
Synthetic fuel would not help reduce emissions more that a BEV, They would be decidedly worse. It takes ALOT more energy to make synthetic fuel than you get from it. You'd need about 100x the amount of energy you need for a BEV per mile. Unless that energy is something like 99% carbon neutral its a complete waste of time and will NEVER happen, except for some niche greenwashing like F1. Isn't the Mckinsey report the one where it a "dealer survey"?
Synthetic diesel could be about 33 to 50% efficient, excluding production energy cost, however I am unsure if it is possible to improve emissions (tank to tailpipe, not well to tailpipe). However I have seen many CNG vehicles so maybe that is a better solution?
@@Loanshark753 You're quoting peak efficiency, most diesels used to drive cars will barely average 25% (excluding refining energy). But the production energy for synthetic is the killer. Not just for making the fuel but also for capturing the CO2 to make it carbon neutral. You will be lucky to crack 0.1% efficiency. Diesel emission can be improved but the performance is then much poorer than spark engines. This is why auto companies cheated the testing. CNG also has many issue such as leaks and venting, it is equivalent to about 80x CO2. Range is low, and its energy intensive to distribute it. It cheaper and massively more energy efficient to make similar range battery vehicles. If countries like Brazil put as much effort in the electricity as they do CNG, they would be alot more efficient.
I've felt a few times that DW doesn't always challenge interviewees and/or address the balance of opinion in its video journalism sufficiently. Quite a few times. Here we have cars, other times regarding the UK leaving the EU ( so-called Brexit).
The German market is heavily biased towards ICE because of the significant industry involved in the VW/Mercedes/BMW/Porsche industrial base. Data from Germany is heavily skewed by an industry getting hammered by change.
5:07 You recommend buying a used vehicle but I'm quite reluctant buying a used EV while I used to only buy used ICE cars. Why ? Because I think most people don't take care of their battery properly. For NMC/NCA batteries, Jeff Dahn recommends setting a charge limit at 70% but I think most people don't follow this advice (especially people who only keep their cars for a couple of years)
I recently bought a model Y. 2500 miles. Love it in so many ways. It’s so smooth and easy to drive. I love the low maintenance. My insurance tripled from 600 to 1800. Still worth It. I’m electric for life.
Currently the top most issue with BEVs, is to do with bad press from EV 🔥(totalling 100s of nearby vehicles). BEV manufacturers should do more to quell these fears, such as proactively identifying solutions to put out a BEV fire, before owning a BEV becomes a social stigma🤞. End of the day, it is all about taking responsibility and accountability. As long as there is a non zero potential of thermal runaway, the issue is far from over. Also the zero maintenance is a myth, since except for engine oil and ICE, everything is still the same in a BEV. Just a lax maintenance interval, more tire wear instead of brake wear. Just some 💭.
Although DW is ostensibly independent and government funded, it looks like they are biased against EVs in this case. The coal lobby in Germany is very powerful and has its tentacles everywhere.
Seems like killing nuclear was perfect for them as coal is good because of locally supplied coal and for peaking if insufficient gas, wind or solar is available.
One challenge related to China EVs is that BYD's cheapest option costs about $12K, so even the 100% import tax makes US EV cars more expensive. I agree that the US market should be protected, and US car manufacturers should work harder to make EVs cheaper to compete with China. Remember Toyota's history: You can avoid it for a while, but sooner or later, they will enter the market. As for the government, the Federal and State should negotiate with BYD and other companies to make cars in the USA using local labor, again keeping American jobs and bringing cheap products to the market (well manufactured) that will push the competition to produce more affordable and better cars.
Ben to paraphrase you "You don't want to make money if you are in a growth stage as you would have to pay tax on those profits"? You sound like the person you disparaged for getting mad because they were upset about getting a $1. The correct position for a growth company is to spend all the capital it can justify in order to make future profits. Elon for all his faults is the master at this.
Is JD Power trustworthy, I'm highly skeptical it looks like they sell endorsements for advertising. I don't even trust Crescent completely anymore. Tesla was not first on the market
Second hand EVs are growing in volume so with those options available I would look there first before buying a new one. Ex-fleet vehicles a great option.
Got my first EV (Model Y) back in May and it's great. Live in Los Angeles so it's almost the perfect place for an EV. The price of gas here and in CA is always outrageous however the price of electricity is still quite high too but I'm still saving at least a couple thousand a year versus gas. They need way more charging stations in general. Superchargers too. I'm hoping that sometime in the next few years the battery tech will progress enough to give one at least 600 miles of range with quicker charge times. Then I believe you'll see more people moving over to EV's.
The fear factor is still high. I have gone with 1 EV, a Tesla. The only way I could was to buy a Tesla as the other charging systems are to haphazard. It’s like playing Russian Roulette. Until there is a real effort to have a support infrastructure such as working charging stations including in rural and remote areas. I love the Tesla superchargers, their system works. If other manufacturers would invest in either buying and installing the Tesla network or their own. Not sure about the data. I live in the DC metro area, I and many of my neighbors drive 100 miles a day just for work. Try calculating western northern VA or even WV to DC, Gaithersburg or Baltimore a few times a week or even everyday.
Okay Ben-- I disagree with your comments about the 7500 tax credit. Its not playing liberal politics or anti-rich. Its targeted to the people who need the additional incentive to buy an ev at this point in time. Thats not the poor. Its the middle class. The rich do not need that incentive to purchase an EV, and a 7500 tax credit will not likely influence the decision making of wealthy people. We also need to define "rich" People who I would define as rich, or at least on the very upper end of middle class, can get the tax credit. Lastly, politics do in fact matter, and it that doesn't mean politicsd are bad. Many people in the country can't afford to buy a new car, whether gas or electric. The government is spending money that will not benefit them at all. Or, to put it another way, the poor would benefit for more by putting that money into more public transport options. Buses, rail etc.. So the ultimate result, a $7500 tax credit, is in many ways a compromise of competing social priorities. Like it or not, politics may be a dirty business, but its necessary, and better than the alternative.
I think you should re-examine your beliefs about whether subsidy is going to high income households is just a political thing and is actually not good public policy. The thing is, you're not going to change a wealthy person's mind about whether to buy a EV or not based on a $7500 subsidy. But that same amount of money is going to make a big difference to someone who is lower on the income scale. So as a matter of efficiency of the program, your money is much more wisely spent giving a subsidy for whom it will change their purchase decision than it is to just throw money at a wealthy household.
No one talks about the cost of insuring EVs. Here in Florida we probably pay the highest auto premiums anywhere in the USA. Often EVs are totaled in a bad accident, so maybe that is why insurance is more than hybrids and gas cars. I checked with USAA on the insurance premium for Tesla Model Y vs. a Honda CRV Sport Touring hybrid. Model Y was significantly more.
32:28 the only problem with that is I pay an extra $160 a year for registration for having an electric vehicle plus an inflated (double) registration based on the super high original MSRP (not actual sale price). Insurance is also double what my Cruze was. I do not drive a lot so I am not saving that much. I pay more to the state now than I used to pay in gas tax before. Despite that, a report about our bad roads states one of the reasons is electric car underpayment. I guess you can't save money without someone else wanting their cut.
I paid 120$ Kentucky ev fee. Saved 3k in fuel. I drive 20-30k miles a year. Traded in my last vehicle for 2023 model y insurance dropped $30 a month. Works for many.
1) light poles in the US are 277v (three phase) and only j3400 (NACS) will support that. 2) NEVI funding is going to deploy charging stations every 50 miles on main corridors.
In my friends circle, those who have EVs drive less than 10 km day, having 300 km range cars is totally suitable for them. However in my case I do 400km to 600 km on WEs for kayak fishing and hiking, so not an option for me, charging outside home is a pain. Having said this, EV sales are up clearly!
It's so annoying how its always a one size fits all concept pushed when it comes to these EVs. There are so many variables and priorities every person has. An EV would not suit my needs, I wont be arm twisted in buying something that wont suit my needs to satisfy the desires of others.
@@kazejah1014 I agree. We live during an unprecedented time where we have choice - whether EV, Gas, Hybrid, public transportation, or even Horse (yes, they're still legal to ride on roads). Why anyone would be twisting your arm into buying whatever they want you to buy with YOUR hard-earned money is inexcusable. Shame on whomever is doing that to you.
@@ElMistroFeroz Precisely. I am a proponent of a balanced energy and transportation infrastructure, let a thousand flowers bloom and let everyone select what works for them!
I have a 2023 Tesla Y. I use FSD every day. I use dog mode every day. I mostly charge at home. I pop up to my son's house in the Blue Ridge Mountains anytime I want. 650 miles. 13.5 hours. Use camp mode and fridge/freezer in his driveway. I'm 87.
Dude, you're killin' it @ 87! Amazing to see you embrace the new tech.
Ageist stereotypes are funny, we've been EV for almost 6 years, my adult son is anti EV, the young grandkids seem to get it
You're also rich. Who can afford the prices on these things? And they don't hold any value you can't sell a used e v
I'm a rich Coastal elite, my first EV was $8,000 for a 2015 Fiat 500e in 2018, all Grey Poupon and doilies
@@rp9674GP&D. Huh?
I just bought mine in may. Never going back. I bought a second this month, and making plans on buying a third.
Leave some for the rest of us!
@@catbert7 you snooze you lose!😂
Why tho
Got our first EV, a Nissan Leaf in 2013. Then our first Tesla in 2018. Just went to a gas station for the first time in years when I got my motorcycle back on the road. Don’t miss ICE car ownership at all.
I have had an EV for 2 years and I will never go back to gas. I saved over $3,600 just in gas last year and there is very little maintenance needed.
@That-Guy_ freaking sweet! I drive a 2011 honda fitt, once I drive it into the ground I wanna get an EV, hopefully honda fitt-type EVs get good.
Doesn't change the fact that a huge majority of Americans can't afford vehicles anymore. Pay has not keep up with anything. From inflation to devaluing of the dollar. The greed of corporations. Rent increases. Home prices through the roof. Electric, water, oil and food costs are outrageous. On and on and on. Ohh and don't forget the insane taxes on everything we do. I'm surprised this country hasn't broken apart yet.
Just wait , until a kilowatt tax is added to charging. Many states use gasoline sales tax to maintain the roads. EV owners are getting a free ride for now. Those subsidies will end in the future.
@@stanhry most states have an ev tax at registration to help pay for roads
@@stanhry
Here is Texas I already pay a $200 EV registration fee on top of my regular fee to cover the lost gas tax. The gas tax has not been raised in years, so it doesn't cover the road maintenance costs anymore. Oil companies have been getting huge subsidies for decades. I am all for ending the EV subsidies as long as we end the oil ones at the same time.
I'm in Australia and recently bought a based Model Y 2 months ago for my wife, but I love driving it too. The experience was like 15 years ago when I switched to a smartphone for the first time. It takes a few days to get used to it but once you are accustomed to your new phone, you can't go back to a Nokia 3210. Plus I get free charging at the local shopping center too. 🕺🏻
ANYONE with kids WILL NOT drive across country of even more than a couple of hours WITHOUT stopping.
If im with a girlfriend im stopping every hour 😂 my batteries are always fully charged
@@WillProwse Been there 👍
Or adult kids
Stopping every hour and a half to move around, stretch, check messages, & go to the bathroom is good for my old body!
The whole thing about driving “cross country” has been silly for a long time.
Personally, I'm done trying to convince my friends and family how much better an EV is compare to an ICE car. They kept asking me to be the main DD since I don't pay for gas anymore. Well, they can start driving themselves again and they can continue to listen to all the fear mongering bs from people that never own an EV or have an EV as their main car lol
@@brandonn161 yea, I’ve given up trying to market EV’s to friends. If they are too thick to get it then too bad.
Test drive them !
@@brandonn161 Maybe accepting fact that not all people will see EV's as great product as people who love them is answer. I was open to idea of EV until driving one, first one I drove was Tesla Model 3 Performance. All I see in EV's is government sponsored scam to Make individuals like Elon Musk rich, forcing consumers with inferior products. Solution is to let market decide, remove all subsidies, carbon credits etc. And let EV's become a thing on their own. That haven't happened so far anywhere in world, so I doubt that without massive political support it does happen.
@@carolinebray82I offered that to an old mechanic I know in the pub (yes the car was not there).
He wouldn't do it.
People younger than me in Southern California know nothing about EVs except the disinformation they've heard, it's working cuz I've mostly given up, but I won't stand by and listen to the BS without replying, I can counter all of that
The simplest way I’ve explained EV charging to people who aren’t as familiar with. It is to think of it like your smart phone. The majority of the charging you do with your smart phone is when you don’t currently need it and you’re not actively using it, however you can still get a fast charger to top it up during the day if you need.
The EU has not actually mandated BEVs! Their focus is on zero emissions (at the tail pipe) rather than specific power trains, but, at the moment only EVs offer an answer. Other technologies may become viable, and these would also be valid under the legislation
What is the cost in lives lost from the poison emitted by ICEVs? It is incalculable. I moved away from LA in 1975, vowing never to return because of the chocking smog. Will I now live longer? If so, what is that worth? At 82, I'm glad I left for healthier, longer life. For the economy? Who knows how to monetize that?
Yes, Search "BMJ 5 million deaths a year from fossil fuel pollution".
@1voluntaryist I think it's something like 200000 people a year die from lung cancer who never smoked. Not to mention the uncountable number of allergy and asthma sufferers.
@@1voluntaryist idk where my previous reply went.
The British Medical Journal did a report on this.
Search "BMJ 5 million pollution deaths a year"
Or something like that.
People dying prematurely.
It cleaned up noticeably thanks to CARB, which the country adopted after automaker stopped making separate California emission cars
I'll never forget driving across I-10 into LA, back in the 70s.
First, your eyes start burning, then your throat starts burning, then you see the brown dome on the horizon.
Then you see the sign: "Los Angeles, 50 Miles"
I see hundreds of EVs every day in LA and Las Vegas. I don't even notice them anymore because they are so common. You couldn't pay me enough to go back to gas, EVs are just way more fun to drive and cheaper to operate. Ultimately, most people just care about cost, so once the price difference is undeniable, people will transition naturally.
Due to the cost of the EV, the saving in "fuel" is negligible. even more negligible if you own the EV long enough to replace its battery. $7 to $12 a fill, compared to $40 to $60 a fill sounds cheaper, but not when the EV itself cost so much more than the ICE. If one likes all things EV, aside from "fuel" costs, then this is not really much of an issue to them.
@@dera6347 I never said anything about fuel costs. I said it is more fun to drive. That’s why every time I lend someone my EV, after a week they say ok I want one. Going back to gas is barbaric. Now as for cost, it still is cheaper because battery costs drop 9% YoY and battery tech continues to improve so you can replace the battery in ten years for a fraction of the price. I don’t know why all of the Luddites always resort to the terrifying expensive battery cost. 😂
@@mikeshafer "...and cheaper to operate. ...", from OP. Sounds like fuel costs to me.
@@dera6347 also you can buy a Chevy Bolt or used Tesla. Super cheap and great cars. Nobody should buy a new car ever if you’re poor or concerned about cost.
@@mikeshafer Insurance is also much higher on EVs, as of now. The extra money to insurance eats away savings compared to ICS as Well.
Reselling an EV is going to set you back to almost half the price you paid for it new, as well as it having a used battery. That used battery part causes EVs to lose value much faster than ICS. Any battery replacement will take away all energy savings compared to ICS, and batteries only last so long. If the EV is to old, nobody will buy it from you because they know that battery is about to fail.
There is absolutely nothing green about obtaining the materials for a battery, assembling it, or disposing of it. At least with current battery tech. Cobalt and lithium will lead to the exact same wars as oil does. But more so, due to how much more rare those elements are on the planet.
EVs will become more popular via word of mouth, friends / family telling friends / family, more so than any marketing, SM or youtube videos. People trust face to face information more than digital or even MSM information. It's still very early days for EVs going mainstream, in the next 2 or 3 years EVs will get more traction and uptake will dramatically increase.
Great video again Ben
I need to pick better family and friends because no one that listens to me about EVs, 1 sister found out on her own
I get a lot of crazy questions at work. One guy thought supercharging also took 6 hours. Said he waiting 6 hours to go 509 miles. I laughed told him how supercharging and charging in general worked and that I charge 90% at home and how much cost me a month. He said wow that’s not what I heard.
Why is the decentralisation of refuleling your car so hard for people to get their heads around?
Charge at home... much better than having to drive to a 3rd location to refuel.
Charge at work... ready to go on your drive home
and soon... on street charging will be common place.
For most people in the US the gas station is their 3rd place.
Except for apartment dwellers, condo owners, people who work in a major city in a huge office building.
@@a9ball1 If you work in a major city in a huge office building are you driving to work? If so - why?
@@nickwinn7812 do you live in or near a large city? If you do then you would realize that in large populated areas things are further away than a small town.
I lived in Seattle city limits and between myself and my wife we drove an average of 1,000 miles a month. Because it's nothing to have a doctor 30 miles away.
When we moved to a town of 22k, largest one in the county we now average 90-110 miles per month. Surprised us in the start.
I have a 54 yr old nephew who lives downtown Seattle and has to have a car. Mostly for carrying larger things and go fishing, hiking and things like that. It costs him a small fortune to park it close to his apartment. There's no charging. No place to put a charger. Think about stores like home Depot, Walmart and other large ones. They are not in the downtown core and you can't bring home a TV or window fan on a public bus. He can't even buy too many groceries unless he takes the car. And he learned real fast that if you buy groceries in small amounts it costs big bucks. Even a 12 pack of pop is way cheaper than 6 packs, as an example. Try carrying home 3 12 packs of pop and milk and eggs on a bus.
Maybe in ten years lagging apartment landlords will get around to installing charging infrastructure to get tenants to stop avoiding their units and paying more to rent elsewhere
@15:50 I Took his comments to actually agree with what you're saying. That is: despite BEVs being "better" in a lot of ways, people don't always behave "rationally" because people are not robots. So asking them to change their habits - even if their habits are not optimal - may not always work out. They'll see something better and stick with what they know, even if it's not the most efficient, cost-effective or even the most convenient thing for them to do.
@lijay1 exactly, not everyone, actually the majority of people aren't rational. I feel like these people that are so obsessed with EV's need to notice is that not everyone is like them. Most just want the most convenient thing that they're use to. EV's have there place for sure, but it's not going to be a 100%EV world. We're going to have a mix of power powertrains; EV's, hybrids, hydrogen, synthetic fuels and extremely efficient gas/ diesel engines
It's a lot like smoking.
Then vaping was invented.
@lijay1 I had the same thought as you. He was imo unfortunately confused as he simply made the same case as the guy discussing people as snowflakes.
I live in rural WV, have been driving Tesla's for 5 years and have accumulated over 200,000 miles in that time, switched both family vehicles to Tesla Model Y's. Can't imagine going back to gas.
Any corrosion yet,?
I didn't buy my first Tesla in 2020 because of environmental reasons or government coercion. I bought because the tech and styling blew me away. Elon made the first Electric car that more of the public could relate to and DESIRE. I remember seeing the Model S roll out 10+ years ago. I bought the stock that same week.
Yea but you just happen to experience the technology and appreciate it. In general, people feel like someone is forcing them to spend their hard earned money on something they don't understand or even care much about. Don't get me wrong, I would never go back to gas cars, but I made that conscious choice. I say get the government out of it, and even let China in. The US doesn't need to "catch up" with anything. It's been making gas cars for more than a century so let's let the free market let these two technologies duke it out and let's see who comes out on top.
@@ElMistroFeroz I agree
Teslas should come with a bumper sticker that says: I hate the environment, so no one gets the wrong idea
@@rp9674 by that reasoning every car on the planet should also
@@CraigD13probably, but anecdotally it seems more the Tesla owners don't buy for environmental reasons
If I'm not mistaken, the "study" that showed people switching back to ICE from EV only included Tesla and only people swapping at dealerships. It didn't take in to account that something like 70% of Tesla sales are people who already own a Tesla and it didn't take in to consideration any other direct-to-consumer sale. Basically, when it came down to it, the number of people actually switching back to ICE from a Tesla was probably closer to 17-20%.
Alex On Autos did two deep dive videos on this story.
The original report was pure FUD. It only counted information from car dealerships. Alex got the complete data and ran the numbers. The actual number of EV owners trading back to ICE was less than 12%. And almost all of them were getting a different form factor not currently available with EV drivetrain.
I’ll never go back. Model y 2023. Had to drive my fil car across town after I had my ev for about a year thought ice cars are garbage. May get an electric truck at some point non tesla.
I am the very early adopter to EV in 2017 August 27th bought my new Model X, I never regretted and I bought also full FSD in 2017, Tesla made all necessary hardware changes for free of cost and I got life time free super charging. We do have now 4 tesla in our family and business.
The perks of being an early adopter is why I'm sometimes hesitant to recommend this technology to others. Where I live, I get to lvl2 charge for free, but that's because I'm the only one using an EV here. With mass adoption, this perk will certainly go away. Some might say I'm selfish for being fine with people believing lies about this technology, but I strongly disagree because I believe in personal accountability.
@@ElMistroFeroz Feroz, I will tell you another story, I sold my model X for $31.6k in caravan, as their price better than Tesla. My model X was good and had only 39k miles on it. Tesla has deal in the first quarter of this year, if you buy X, S or Y they said, they can transfer free super charge and FSD to my new vehicle for free of charge, and hence I sold my old Model X to Carvana and bought new Model Y For $44.5k out the door price plus I am going to get $7.5k tax credit. My old model X was not able to get FSD software even though I paid full money in 2017. Now my new model Y is driving on its own. I drove 8k miles in last 5 months including 3 trips to NJ with free super charging
I prefer ordinary charging to charging with an unnecessary prefix. Here in the UK we have far more choice and Tesla is a minor player that cherry picks its locations.
I bought a Prius back in 2013 because EV's at the time were still in their infancy (short range, hardly any public charging), and in the case of Tesla, well above my budget. But it got me used to the idea of moving a vehicle around without burning a drop of gas.
I later went to a Chevy Volt, and it had enough range that I was able to do my 38 mile/61 km work commute entirely on electric, even in winter with snow tires and heater usage. It actually got to a point where I got annoyed every time it had to run the engine every 6 weeks for 10-15 minutes to keep it lubed up.
In my last year of ownership of it, it "yelled" at me for not using the gas enough because that year I didn't have any long distance trips planned, and forced me to burn up most of the gas in the tank, then I had to fill it back up with fresh gas to reset the internal timer/clock (most Volt owners would never see "FMM", or "Fuel Maintenance Mode").
Around that time, GM announced they were killing off the Volt in favor of full EV's, but only offered the Bolt EV, which is fine for daily driving/short regional trips, but I wanted something that could go farther. Tesla meanwhile had just released the Model Y, and after watching a few too many Out of Spec Motoring road trip videos, I placed an order for one at the end of May 2020, and picked it up a month later in June 2020.
4 years and 101k miles later, I've been having a blast driving it. I've done numerous road trips in it now ranging from 500 to 6300 miles/804 to 10.6k km, thanks to the Supercharger network and Autopilot doing most of the boring mundane driving on the highway. I also love watching Netflix in my car during my lunch breaks at work, allowing me to catch up on a lot of shows I would've otherwise missed/skipped out on.
Kyle is the best!
Short Regional trips, 240 / 260 miles, ok
2023 Tesla M3 RWD - we've put 17k miles on it in 10 months.....pretty awesome car.
Autotrader is selling M3 RWDs well past 200K miles in great condition. Pretty soon people will catch on to the fact LFP batteries are practically immortal.
2023 model y. 41k miles in a year and a half. Live in south west Kentucky. Have been from there to Miami, Branson, Minneapolis, Capcod and lots of other places. Visit parents that live in eastern Ky every other week. Get to their house and plug my car in. They are in their 80’s and think they are the coolest cars ever.
I own two EVs. If I want to travel across the country once a year, I can rent an ice car, or fly if I’m in a hurry. Good video Ben , keep up the good work.
Eww. I take my Tesla cross country all the time. Would never take an ICE that I have to actually drive without FSD. The charging stops are opportunity to take a quick nap if needed, or eat a meal while I charge. Been from Milwaukee to Boston, Flagstaff, Alabama, and Seattle. Yeah, if I'm in a hurry, I'll fly, but otherwise, there is no better road trip car than Tesla.
I've VW ID.4 Crozz imported from China. It has 530 km range when charged to 100%. My daily commute is 50km max, usually about 15 km. My longest range commute is 380 km which might happen one time or two times a year. When I do it with my ICE car, I usually stop in the middle to have something to eat for 30-40 minutes. My usual long range commute is 220 km one way, where I can charge at my house and return back fully charged, or if I wanted to I would return without recharging. I don't need to change oil, filter, spark plugs, belts, all the other fluids, oxygen sensors, valve cover gaskets, rear main seal, etc... At this rate the car battery will last at least 15 years, I usually keep it between 20%-80% and charge at home at 3.5 kws. And when it fails, replacement should be much cheaper than all the maintenance costs I would have with ICE car. I don't understand why I should have ICE car
When I visited a friend in LA who owns a Tesla and lives in an apartment, when we went out to dinner at a local mall, he plugged in while we were there. No waiting for it to charge, but charged in the background while we ate.
Yes and eventually every place will start charging you for that privilege. Just like how grocery cart pushers used to help you out and put the bags in your car and took the cart back.
Not anymore. Same with courtesy charging while dining or such. Bye-bye
@@a9ball1charging for the electricity is fine, with a margin to cover repairs due to vandalism for example. The important part is that you don’t need to stay at the car. The electricity being free in some places right now is a bonus.
@@a9ball1and it will still be cheaper than gas
Will be cheaper than gas. In Norway McDonald’s have level 2 chargers at each parking spot. You pull in, plug in then go eat. There are many locations like this so no one ever thinks about I need a charge.
I am an area manager and use my used model 3 LR daily....putting over 1000km per week ....zero problems way better than any gas car I have ever owned....pssst I beat 2024 corvettes and mine is 4years old....charge times only 18 min and gone....at 3rd the cost and zero maintenance
I love you channel! I correct a lot of commenters on TH-cam with facts about EVs. They don't often like to hear what I have to tell them, but there is so much misinformation out there. Thanks for what you do!
That sounds like a big task!
EV owners always have an advantage, we've driven gas cars so we know we're talking about, the haters have never owned an EV. If they say they do they're probably lying
You can use light bulb analogies to get them to understand why their “lol EVs charged with fossil fuel energy” arguments are silly.
Point out that just as old school inefficient light bulbs are inefficient largely due to the huge portion of energy wasted as heat, gas cars have so much waste heat that they require that grille in front to keep the engine from overheating. It’s far far more efficient to burn nat gas at a power plant.
The people that point to the generation of electricity and its environmental cost, always leave out the cost gasoline production and delivery.
Really nothing compares to oil extraction for epic level environmental destruction.
That's true but we don't need to make more gas stations. We don't need to sell home chargers for our gas vehicles.
And I guarantee that electric rates will skyrocket when EV ownership hits 50%. It's the American way.
@@a9ball1 Yes, but to maintain the fossil fuel economy, you would need to extract millions of new barrels of oil every single day, EVERY DAY, FOREVER. This is where most of the direct environmental destruction is wrought.
The amount of minerals needed for EV batteries is finite. Once that amount has been mined, they can be recycled and reused indefinitely.
And here's the most important part:
If you want your grandkids to have food on the table for dinner 50 years from now, you'd better hope those gas stations become fewer and fewer in number, starting in 2025.
@@davidmenasco5743 I was following you pretty good until you got to the dinner part. That lost me.
I'm not trying to support gasoline over EV. Neither one is any good. But we are jumping in to BEV's without having the technology around for decades to see how it goes.
EV's are not any better or worse. We need something else. Something better than both of those. Something that can be easily put out of it catches fire. Something that is lighter and causes less wear on the roads. And as far as fossil fuels goes these modern day EV's have more plastic in them then a warehouse of plastic bags. We don't even use rubber for wire insulation anymore, it's plastic.
If a 2025 EV contained zero plastic and was easy to extinguish when it catches fire then I would be fully supporting them.
@@a9ball1 one thing to consider is that you can’t produce your own gasoline but you can produce your own electricity, with the condition that you have a suitable place to put PV panels. If you can’t use the power directly, you can sell it back to the grid.
We have had a plugin hybrid since 2019 when we wanted a BEV but after being on a waiting list we bought the hybrid but I wanted our next car to be electric but I vacillated between hybrid and fully electric. I got tired of listening to the competition between the electric engine and the gas engine that I did purchase a BEV and could not be happier. The issue with range anxiety fads after a few road trips and the experience in driving is at a totally different level, from a safety and pleasure perspective to how you feel when stuck in traffic. Electric engines are the future. Cheers
For me replacing my vehicle that get 13mpg with a BEV will pay for the new vehicle just in gas savings alone vs gassers. I own 2 vehicles a Sequoia and a XB below are the fuel cost estimates that make it a no brainer to go BEV, at least for me, but due to the distance of many of my trips an E-Bike would work for me about 50% of my trips:
Fuel considerations for my personal use case:
sequoia 1200mile@13mpg@3.29/gal $303.00/mo, 3600/yr
scion xb 1200mile@28mpg@3.29/gal $141.00/mo,1629/yr
model 3 1200mile@.10kwh $28.00/mo,336/yr
Literally one of the major reasons Americans switched to cars from horses was because cars were cheaper. Once EVs are obviously cheaper people will migrate. But yes charging at home is a game changer. If you can’t charge at home it’s not as enjoyable. The FLO chargers in LA are great for street charging though !
It's not that EVs aren't selling, it's that EVs from the German industry aren't selling, which is not the same thing.
Oh yeah. Because VW killed their EV program and BMW killed their own program ever earlier.
The pace at which China shot up to number one auto exporter in the world has been impressive.
Legacy kept telling each other they had more time. They’ll now need government handouts or they will go out of business.
Simple math here. I own a F150 lightning for approximately 20 months. I drove 20k miles and I charge at home on my level 2 charger. On a gas powered F150 I would had to put gas on it at least 50 times. Assuming that I would spend around 10 minutes every time on the gas station it would be 500 minutes. Divided by 60 which brings me to at least 8 hrs of my life that I spent doing other things like playing with my kids, working, riding my mtb, etc. Nobody can buy time, but the matter of fact it saves me time. Ohhh but you have a road trip to go. If you don’t want to rely on public charging in the worst case scenario just rent a gas car. However, this is just my two cents on this subject. Each person is different.
I wouldn't be surprised if those two are getting some kinds of benefits from the oil companies
Sounds more that it could be from Toyota
They bought him the "expert" glasses
Advertising revenue etc
Often it’s people giving their own honest yet biased thoughts… who were hired into their positions by people with bias
I am not Tesla fanboy , but purchased what I researched is the best EV. I live 100 km north of Toronto and in Winter the car can still drive over 200 km on the coldest days. I have np for my needs. You can drive what ever you like.
An issue I see when it comes to public charging everywhere is vandalism- people dont give a crap about things that are meant for the public. Also people stealing cables for copper etc. You also have the people that refuse to change that will do things to sabotage things that benefit others. You see this quite a bit in the South and South West.
Catalytic converters
Yep thieves will theive
You know, when I was in Japan, vandalism was pretty low, people took pride in things and I left my iPhone on a table for a week and nothing happened to it. I dropped my sweatshirt and forgot it in a lunch room, I went back the next day and it was folded up and put on the table where I had been sitting. (I'm a forgetful person) You just need to teach people respect and morals. The only thing stolen while I was there was my umbrella as you leave umbrellas outside a room in a group of other umbrellas and when it was raining, people tend to take them.
I love that Ben is fact checking all of these videos and finding the actual data and putting everything into proper perspective for us.. My life has been forever changed thanks to purchasing a Tesla Model Y last September.. I've had it almost a year and find it hard to imagine driving an ICE vehicle again.. ICE is still better for towing and trips across country but 99% of the time, my Model Y is the only car I would want to drive.. not to mention the fact that it can literally drive itself literally anywhere.. which is a huge plus that no other manufacture can offer. It is faster than any gas car I've ever had and funner to drive than any gas car I've ever had. I can't imagine ever switching back!
I have had an EV since 2019. Still have a slightly older gas car but when that eventually dies it is being replaced by an EV. We won’t ever buy another gas car. Incidentally the gas car gets used less and less but costs more to own than the EV.
With the powerful push against EVs from the well financed, well connected, experienced opposition killing department of the Petroleum/GOP propaganda Behemoth it shouldn't be a surprised that some people will be influenced against EVs
Never underestimate the media's iron grip on the mind of the average person.
They usually call them these EVS or these things
@@rp9674these new fangled electron powered automatic coaches
@@ElMistroFerozthey are the consumers who will respond to shame.
Will get an EV in eight years when EVs are significantly cheaper and it’s embarrassing to spend way more just to insist on it being a gas car.
When conversations with their friends give them vibes of “oh you poor thing you have to go to gas stations still instead of getting to fill up at home”
A disgusting amount of energy is lost in a combustion engine. From a physics point of view, to say nothing about the costs of gear trains and engines, the EV is the only choice. We can not afford the Internal Combustion engine or its upkeep. Mechanics must retrain and learn electronics and computing.
They always talk about how energy is lost at the powerplant charging the EV too.
They never talk about the energy lost in mining, refining and transporting the petroleum, or about how the fuel itself slowly degrades with time which means whether or not you use it, you still lose it. The total losses through the supply chain might bring that power to the wheels number closer to 10%.
@tomwaller6893 80% wasted energy in a ICE vehicle vs 11% for an EV
Solar panels are 17 to 19% efficient, hydropower 95% (turbine only idk total efficiency), combined cycle gas powerplants 66%, coal and nuclear 33 to 42% efficient.
@@Loanshark753 commercial and residential solar is past 20% and dipping closer to 30% every month. It is the most rapidly developing technology, faster than batteries and EVs.
Also, the losses of solar are... Light that doesn't get captured? Waste heat from inverters?
The losses from generators lead to more emissions per unit of power produced.
I'm okay with nuclear, but it's development cycle is too slow.
The inefficiencies that OP is talking about are not in the generators themselves but the entire supply chain that gets that energy into a vehicle.
People I talk to are so stuck on hybrids. Worst of both worlds. What a waste.
Agreed but I still think better than ice because my wife’s father gets 67mpg. You would struggle to get that from pure ice?
I think the more practical version of a hybrid doesn't have as many downsides: REV. With batteries coming down in price this isn't going to be cheaper in the near future though.
or maybe it fits their use case for now... my neighbor has a tesla m3 for his daily but a pathfinder to two his camper... he can afford it. some can only afford one so it will be only the pathfinder....
I can understand plug-in hybrids, mostly for what people think they need rather than what they actually need, don't love the idea of lugging a gas engine around though
@rp9674 everyone seems to (unnecessarily) worry about battery life. Now you add in the additional complexity of the electronics to manage the gas/electric interface plus still having oil changes, transmission service, air cleaners, spark plugs, oil leaks, coolant leaks, timing belts, additional weight, emissions, etc.
I have a 2022 long range M3. I drive 800 miles a week and it cost me on average actual cost per week is $41.00. plus the savings of no maintenance with oil changes. Would be an additional $480 a year. I use one credit card for all my charging for my EV. this make very easy to keep track of changing cost. In the long run, my EV has saved me tons of money versus driving and ice car.
Everyone does not have to buy it just like everyone didn't buy cell phones or computers in the early days. There were still people stuck with TI-85 calculators and landline phones.
EV's were around before gasoline or diesel engines. EV's faded away in early 1900's as they were worse product which buyers choose not to buy. Comparison of smartphone and EV just doesn't work as EV is older concept than better options we have had around.
@@viljamikoivunen6297 "EV's faded away in early 1900's as they were worse product which buyers choose not to buy"
Seems like that darn Lead Acid tech never did well keeping up didn't it! You know, that thing that we all agree is the majority of the car, which wasn't invented until a couple of decades ago, and good BMS technology even less than 10 years ago.
But let's focus on the rest of the car for the sake of argument. Those drivetrains have been around for over a hundred years haven't they!
Haha so true. My mom still uses her TI calculator despite having a more powerful one on every smartphone she has ever owned.
@@ElMistroFeroz well at least they don't burn as well as the wonderful lithium ion torches.
Did you see the Tesla semi that just burned up. Well if it was a gas or diesel they wouldn't have had to close the road and area for so long.
@@a9ball1 sir, ice cars and diesel trucks catch on fires too, more so; therefore, so what is your point sir?
More over, the fumes that diesel engines emit cannot be healthy for the drivers over their lives. Think of all the law enforcement that sits in a gas car fumes all day when hot and cold- and during idling. You may sit in your car for only a few hours max, but if you look at the health cost of these drivers, I think those more rare battery fire is not perfect but a better risk to take.
please also think of the health of people who live near busy streets.
Thanks!
Great work Ben! Truly enjoying our Model 3 and R1T with a preorder for an R2. We’re all in!
I see all brands of EVs in the Tahoe, California mountains. Ford mustang, lightning f150s. Lots of Teslas, & cyber trucks.
I'm really liking these new style of videos Ben. Keep them coming!
I find these discussions interesting.. First we are at the beginning of BEV so things will take time for all things to fall in place. ICE has been around for over 100 years. Imagine BEVs even 40 years from now. Second this is a "use case issue". Everyone's use case is very different. if one does not own a home it changes things, if some does not have sufficient income it changes things. If one does a lot of weekend traveling, camping etc. it changes things. Is the infrastructure there...? No. is it getting better ?yes. Cost.. are they expensive yes. is the cost coming yes. are they expensive to repair yes. does it require maintenance every 6 months no. If you have a family of 4 or five... today you drive a mini van, the equivalent BEV is over 80K if lucky. In some places over 100K. The mini van is maybe 20K used and 40-60 new (that's a lot of gas and maintenance)? If this same family rents they have no charge at home... so go to a public charger (this can also get expensive depending on location).. well you can't since (un less Tesla) many are full or not working well and they have life to manage. How much is one's time worth? All these many consider and sometimes consider this as a risk... think of needing to pickup the litle one from day care but need to charge or will not make it... This happens to ICE drivers but this is a 5 minute discussion or 10 if busy on average.. With an BEV you are looking at 20 minutes if not one is front.. to many this is a risk... the 800V systems will help but again cost... I keep seeing all these one dimensional data that does not account for how many live there lives.. so even if 60% said they would purchase an EV and it has dropped to 58%. This is irrelevant since when they walk into the dealerships people are leaving with ICE or Hybrid (thankfully).. follow they money. So my question is of the 15.6 million (Up 12.3%)vehicle sold in 2023 [www.marklines.com/en/statistics/flash_sales/automotive-sales-in-usa-by-month-2023] , were 9 million (58%) EV's? No! So many would say people are not buying or do not want them. Are the yearly BEV purchase increasing yes. But for now the majority of vehicle buyers do not want BEV's regardless of what they are telling pollsters... will this change yes. Look at all the automakers who jumped into BEV production with Billions in investments.. they are all reducing forecast, investments, productions and new development and concentrating on hybrids. . People forget, if the public are not buying these BEV's the automakers cannot develop newer ones for the future. The future is bright but it lets stop thinking it has all arrived. - nice video
$300 - $500 saves per year on oil changes
$75 per year on emissions tests
A lot on gas
BEVs are available in China now for under $10k USD and 85% of new car buyers there are buying Chinese manufactured vehicles including Tesla.
It’s the biggest market in the world.
But would you put your kids in a sub $10k Chinese EV…I wouldn’t
@@MrBoatman46 You're right, even if the "Made in China" of today isn't the same as the "Made in China" of 20, or even 10 years ago, China still has to break the bad perception of their products, which will require clever marketing. It's not like Temu is helping in any way with that.
@@ElMistroFeroz Yes I agree. The 100% import duty on Chinese EV’s in the US should keep most people buying Teslas or other better EV’s and will help avoid the quality and safety problems with their vehicles. If you look at how Chinese build roads and buildings, you wouldn’t want their cars.
@@MrBoatman46 Yeah but Tesla is still doing well in China with 0% Chinese tariffs, so those 100% tariffs are to protect the rest of the auto industry.
@@ElMistroFeroz Yes and in a way keep the gas car makers going. So not a great idea for reducing smog or climate change. I don’t want to see China get market share so at least they are kept out of the market.
I appreciate your analysis of these news reports. Thorough and thoughtful.
He initially says that buying a vehicle is a totally rational decision then later on uses Harley Davidson in an example. There's nothing more emotional than a Harley buyer.
Harley Davidsons are a prime example of how bad ICE cars are. Load, noisy and are always breaking down
It's funny how the media and non-EV people always push the "what if I ant to drive 1000 miles today". It's mostly irrelevant. As an EV owner, you know how to plan trips like that and most see it as part of the adventure. I have a IONIQ 5, had it for a month now, and I never used a public charger. I also owned a 2013 Leaf before, with much less range, and I didn't use public chargers that much.
people forget the highway transformation of the US as towns popped out as way stops on long routes to provide pit stops or rest stops as the case may be for families. This littered the american mid west with a lot of small towns. EVs will continue to generate income in these towns.
“What if I need to travel 1,000 miles quickly?” Lucky for you, the miracle of human flight was made real by the invention of the airplane over a hundred years ago! Now if you’re not in such a hurry, an EV will fit the bill just fine.
@@degnarius Brilliant observation.
I love it.
Also almost every drive is under a thousand miles.
1,000 mi in a single day is a long way even for people who drive long distances.
Funny how the EV discussion has unearthed millions of people who commute cross country on a daily basis.
If you buy the right EV no reason to go back to ice. Don’t think there is a lot of things against them if you know the truth about them. Plenty of examples out there to help with individual’s situation.
I've had a mache for over a year. And save so much money from not getting gas. Blows my mind
First they have to ban poluting diesel pickup trucks especially the old ones, all toxic too.... But those old school fear of new things won't change their delusional mind set.
I have paying premium gas prices in my SUV, hate going to gas stations fighting to get the one "premium ⛽...can't wait to get EV truck.
@27:11 You didn't note that the McKinsey-study was totally flawed. It was 46% of people they interviewed at *dealerships* who were going back to ICE. They didn't interview people ordering their next EV online. 🙂
I also think that you underestimate the change of the paradigm shift. In my city, 50% of new car sales are EV. In 2035, the ICE car is totally dead. You don't believe that, but it doesn't matter. Just let's agree to disagree, and then we will see who is right. Nice video, by the way. Keep up the good work.
Yes electric vehicle sales are slowing down but they are still selling in record numbers every year.
Everyone I know who owns a Tesla loves them. I don't know anyone who's going back.
I drive a Honda Element with 147,000 mi on it but my next vehicle will be some kind of electric vehicle.
"I'm not comfortable with a plug" are you serious? But your alright with pumping flammable liquid into a tank. This guy is paid off.
I salute the complex approach voiced in this video when environmental benefits are acquired progressively with financial, and gas saving should be more important than ideology of yes-no approaches of other outlets: ICE vs BEV entirely disdaining HEVs, PHEVs.
Great information! Always enjoy your informative videos and relevant comments! Thanks for making us better consumers!
They also had the argument "... go on vacation once a year, and dont want to stop three times".
"dont want" is a key element. If you resit adapting to whats different about EVs, because you dont want to change anything there is an issue.
Some people are unable to see the inconveniences of what they doo, but consider any changes as inconvenience.
They are unable to appreciate all inconvenience they remove by switching to an EV, because they are so used to them that it's too different for them to imagine not doing them do drive a car.
Going somewhere to refuel, at the time of week, when price are low. They don't consider going a 10-15 km trip, spending 20-30 minutes, every second/third week an inconvenience, but 3 extra 30 minute stop once or twice a year is an inconvenience.
They're all about the what ifs. One of my faves is what if you have a medical emergency - I call an ambulance
I love these videos debunking EV FUD. Would you at all be interested in reacting to a pro EV video and adding supporting data or relating to the video with your own experience and anecdotes?
It’s also 2024. We don’t need to be on the fence about hybrids. It’s either gas and keep stinking up the future generations, air and pollution and health problems. 😢✌️
Plug-in hybrids are a good idea - 2009
Just bought my first ev model x used 2016 p100dl i live offgrid and can charge for free
Thanks Ben for another debunking video, the more of this the better! I have had my M3LR for almost 4 years. The fuel savings are massive. The no service required is outstanding! I would never ever go back to ice.
"Recommend fuel efficiency"?? The per vehicle fines for not achieving the CAFE mileage standards are not "recommended".
2 years ago we bought a 2nd gen volt and I realized two very mind changing things shortly after... 1: this car even with only 50 miles almost never needs fuel (we avg. 2000 miles between fill ups) we don't need the gas backup... and 2: I don't need a 300 plus mile EV with fast charging, I can buy a cheap used low range EV and be fine and still have the volt for longer trips without needing to fast charge! So I bought a dirt cheap 1st gen 500E mainly because I liked the style of the car and it has a liquid cooled battery (I live in Florida) it's been a year and I have put 30,000 miles on it... it's saving me a fortune over driving my Tacoma (19 mpg) which I now only use when I need to tow or haul something... a year from now my son will get his D.L. and he will take over the Fiat and I am looking for a Bolt EUV to replace it for all the same reasons (Dirt Cheap, Improvements in Space, range charging, driver assistance features)... So Yes Ben I agree PHEV's are definitely a gateway drug to BEV's and in my opinion should be the only gas vehicle they should be allowed to sell they are really the perfect car for the End User you get the best of both worlds without the downside of charging time/inconvenience. (I know worse emission's but not worse over a ICE car if using the ABC Method and you don't need anything but a regular plug) If every ICE driver lived with a PHEV it would change their minds.
oh man, the Fiat 500E is one of my favorite cars of all time, especially without stability control!
@@BenSullinsOfficial I agree it's a little monster... I have never understood why it never makes it into any EV hot hatch lists I think it qualifies 😆 🤣
that thumbnail got me! oldie but a goodie ;)
I bought my second EV late last year. Just did 2 600+ miles vacations, both trips I spent more time doing Pee Breaks then I spent charging. One of the 2 trips was to PA, where the closet Fast Charger was over 100 miles away. We did have to spend some time at a level 2 charger sitting in the parking lot because where we were staying didn't have a charger and that was a pain, but a few years ago the same trip wouldn't work because there wasn't even public level 2 chargers in the area.
Percentages mean nothing if you don't give the population. I ask two people if they would ever buy an EV. They said no. So 100% of the people don't want EVs (Fact). Most percentages are mis-information. (Personal opinion: Never buy a used EV unless its less than 1 yr old.)
You got your priorities screwed up. I don't pay a high price for a car for technology sake. I pay a high price if the technology can serve me.
This guy is a clown he says a ton of inaccurate things 😂
The depreciation comment really only works if you don't keep cars for long. I kept my car an average of 9 years (granted I've only owned two cars), but the EV I will buy will be the same. I don't buy a car to think I'm going to sell it in a couple years, so depreciation never mattered to me.
Thanks for another informative video. I love your approach with these facts based & detailed discussions.
If you have a place to plug in at home or work EVs are a winner. Just did a 2,500 mile road trip in 1 week and spent less of my time charging than I would have fueling an ICE vehicle and cost were less than half of the fuel bill.
please educate... would love to use your method
How? Did you stay at many hotels that had charging? Or did you not count charging while eating at a sit-down place? Or were you drive like 50 MPH for max range???
@@dwayneam I rarely drive less than 80 mph no different than I did with my ice cars
Unfortunately none of the hotels we stopped at had charging
The difference is that every 3 hours or so my wife or I like to stretch / take a bathroom break/ get a coffee or a meal. With the Tesla we plug in and walk away with an ICE car you need to pay then wait for car to fill then find another parking spot to stretch/ get a coffee etc
The Tesla was always ready to go before we were, when you are traveling 800 or so miles a day a break is great
Yeah I can totally see that happening. Cross country trips on gas cars you're constantly looking for those rest stops so you don't pass out and kill yourself/others. It's not like you can pull over and take a nap anywhere, as in some clown world states you get in trouble for that and are forced to keep driving. In at least a Tesla you have your rest/recharging stops merged and planned for you, so that extra time you spend charging gets offset somewhere else.
Excellent informed analysis, keep it up
10:59 I’m very skeptical about such “carbon-neutral” “alternatives”. By nature, these will be energy intensive and not feasible to scale up indefinitely. These should be reserved for use-cases where it is utterly impractical to use batteries (e.g. airlines, but that too might change)
Synthetic fuel would not help reduce emissions more that a BEV, They would be decidedly worse. It takes ALOT more energy to make synthetic fuel than you get from it. You'd need about 100x the amount of energy you need for a BEV per mile. Unless that energy is something like 99% carbon neutral its a complete waste of time and will NEVER happen, except for some niche greenwashing like F1.
Isn't the Mckinsey report the one where it a "dealer survey"?
Synthetic diesel could be about 33 to 50% efficient, excluding production energy cost, however I am unsure if it is possible to improve emissions (tank to tailpipe, not well to tailpipe). However I have seen many CNG vehicles so maybe that is a better solution?
@@Loanshark753 You're quoting peak efficiency, most diesels used to drive cars will barely average 25% (excluding refining energy). But the production energy for synthetic is the killer. Not just for making the fuel but also for capturing the CO2 to make it carbon neutral. You will be lucky to crack 0.1% efficiency.
Diesel emission can be improved but the performance is then much poorer than spark engines. This is why auto companies cheated the testing.
CNG also has many issue such as leaks and venting, it is equivalent to about 80x CO2. Range is low, and its energy intensive to distribute it. It cheaper and massively more energy efficient to make similar range battery vehicles. If countries like Brazil put as much effort in the electricity as they do CNG, they would be alot more efficient.
I've felt a few times that DW doesn't always challenge interviewees and/or address the balance of opinion in its video journalism sufficiently. Quite a few times. Here we have cars, other times regarding the UK leaving the EU ( so-called Brexit).
The German market is heavily biased towards ICE because of the significant industry involved in the VW/Mercedes/BMW/Porsche industrial base. Data from Germany is heavily skewed by an industry getting hammered by change.
Love this channel. The legacy motor companies sponsor these anti EV lies.
5:07 You recommend buying a used vehicle but I'm quite reluctant buying a used EV while I used to only buy used ICE cars.
Why ? Because I think most people don't take care of their battery properly. For NMC/NCA batteries, Jeff Dahn recommends setting a charge limit at 70% but I think most people don't follow this advice (especially people who only keep their cars for a couple of years)
I recently bought a model Y. 2500 miles. Love it in so many ways. It’s so smooth and easy to drive. I love the low maintenance. My insurance tripled from 600 to 1800.
Still worth It. I’m electric for life.
Currently the top most issue with BEVs, is to do with bad press from EV 🔥(totalling 100s of nearby vehicles). BEV manufacturers should do more to quell these fears, such as proactively identifying solutions to put out a BEV fire, before owning a BEV becomes a social stigma🤞. End of the day, it is all about taking responsibility and accountability. As long as there is a non zero potential of thermal runaway, the issue is far from over. Also the zero maintenance is a myth, since except for engine oil and ICE, everything is still the same in a BEV. Just a lax maintenance interval, more tire wear instead of brake wear. Just some 💭.
More fires...
Although DW is ostensibly independent and government funded, it looks like they are biased against EVs in this case.
The coal lobby in Germany is very powerful and has its tentacles everywhere.
Seems like killing nuclear was perfect for them as coal is good because of locally supplied coal and for peaking if insufficient gas, wind or solar is available.
One challenge related to China EVs is that BYD's cheapest option costs about $12K, so even the 100% import tax makes US EV cars more expensive. I agree that the US market should be protected, and US car manufacturers should work harder to make EVs cheaper to compete with China. Remember Toyota's history: You can avoid it for a while, but sooner or later, they will enter the market. As for the government, the Federal and State should negotiate with BYD and other companies to make cars in the USA using local labor, again keeping American jobs and bringing cheap products to the market (well manufactured) that will push the competition to produce more affordable and better cars.
Don't forget the 3 fold increase car insurance and we still can't say what home owner's insurance will cost, if u charge at home.
Ben to paraphrase you "You don't want to make money if you are in a growth stage as you would have to pay tax on those profits"? You sound like the person you disparaged for getting mad because they were upset about getting a $1.
The correct position for a growth company is to spend all the capital it can justify in order to make future profits. Elon for all his faults is the master at this.
Is JD Power trustworthy, I'm highly skeptical it looks like they sell endorsements for advertising.
I don't even trust Crescent completely anymore.
Tesla was not first on the market
Thanks for doing this, Ben!
You can’t give me an Ice care .
100% Electric!
Second hand EVs are growing in volume so with those options available I would look there first before buying a new one. Ex-fleet vehicles a great option.
They total the car when the battery goes bad. Better lease it.
Got my first EV (Model Y) back in May and it's great. Live in Los Angeles so it's almost the perfect place for an EV. The price of gas here and in CA is always outrageous however the price of electricity is still quite high too but I'm still saving at least a couple thousand a year versus gas. They need way more charging stations in general. Superchargers too. I'm hoping that sometime in the next few years the battery tech will progress enough to give one at least 600 miles of range with quicker charge times. Then I believe you'll see more people moving over to EV's.
The fear factor is still high. I have gone with 1 EV, a Tesla. The only way I could was to buy a Tesla as the other charging systems are to haphazard. It’s like playing Russian Roulette. Until there is a real effort to have a support infrastructure such as working charging stations including in rural and remote areas. I love the Tesla superchargers, their system works. If other manufacturers would invest in either buying and installing the Tesla network or their own.
Not sure about the data. I live in the DC metro area, I and many of my neighbors drive 100 miles a day just for work. Try calculating western northern VA or even WV to DC, Gaithersburg or Baltimore a few times a week or even everyday.
Okay Ben-- I disagree with your comments about the 7500 tax credit. Its not playing liberal politics or anti-rich. Its targeted to the people who need the additional incentive to buy an ev at this point in time. Thats not the poor. Its the middle class. The rich do not need that incentive to purchase an EV, and a 7500 tax credit will not likely influence the decision making of wealthy people. We also need to define "rich" People who I would define as rich, or at least on the very upper end of middle class, can get the tax credit. Lastly, politics do in fact matter, and it that doesn't mean politicsd are bad. Many people in the country can't afford to buy a new car, whether gas or electric. The government is spending money that will not benefit them at all. Or, to put it another way, the poor would benefit for more by putting that money into more public transport options. Buses, rail etc.. So the ultimate result, a $7500 tax credit, is in many ways a compromise of competing social priorities. Like it or not, politics may be a dirty business, but its necessary, and better than the alternative.
I think you should re-examine your beliefs about whether subsidy is going to high income households is just a political thing and is actually not good public policy. The thing is, you're not going to change a wealthy person's mind about whether to buy a EV or not based on a $7500 subsidy. But that same amount of money is going to make a big difference to someone who is lower on the income scale. So as a matter of efficiency of the program, your money is much more wisely spent giving a subsidy for whom it will change their purchase decision than it is to just throw money at a wealthy household.
Taxing ICE cars heavily and excluding EVs from the tax has worked very well in Norway.
What's up with all the bots in the comments?
I reported 12 of them I think. It's crazy.
@@LucDesormeaux It's way more than 12. Look at the account creation dates of the more "human" sounding ones here repeating debunked claims.
Desperation
No one talks about the cost of insuring EVs. Here in Florida we probably pay the highest auto premiums anywhere in the USA. Often EVs are totaled in a bad accident, so maybe that is why insurance is more than hybrids and gas cars. I checked with USAA on the insurance premium for Tesla Model Y vs. a Honda CRV Sport Touring hybrid. Model Y was significantly more.
Cost to insure a Tesla vs a VW GTI was the same. ??
I’ve got Usaa. Had a 2019 1500 ram traded it and got a model y 2023. Payment went down 30 a month for Tesla.
32:28 the only problem with that is I pay an extra $160 a year for registration for having an electric vehicle plus an inflated (double) registration based on the super high original MSRP (not actual sale price). Insurance is also double what my Cruze was. I do not drive a lot so I am not saving that much. I pay more to the state now than I used to pay in gas tax before. Despite that, a report about our bad roads states one of the reasons is electric car underpayment. I guess you can't save money without someone else wanting their cut.
I paid 120$ Kentucky ev fee. Saved 3k in fuel. I drive 20-30k miles a year. Traded in my last vehicle for 2023 model y insurance dropped $30 a month. Works for many.
1) light poles in the US are 277v (three phase) and only j3400 (NACS) will support that.
2) NEVI funding is going to deploy charging stations every 50 miles on main corridors.
In my friends circle, those who have EVs drive less than 10 km day, having 300 km range cars is totally suitable for them. However in my case I do 400km to 600 km on WEs for kayak fishing and hiking, so not an option for me, charging outside home is a pain. Having said this, EV sales are up clearly!
Yeah, up here in cold Canada, we just love losing charge in the winter and developing range anxiety.
It's so annoying how its always a one size fits all concept pushed when it comes to these EVs. There are so many variables and priorities every person has. An EV would not suit my needs, I wont be arm twisted in buying something that wont suit my needs to satisfy the desires of others.
Talk to the people in Norway, where 82% of new car sales are electrics, and find out what they do.
@@kazejah1014 I agree. We live during an unprecedented time where we have choice - whether EV, Gas, Hybrid, public transportation, or even Horse (yes, they're still legal to ride on roads). Why anyone would be twisting your arm into buying whatever they want you to buy with YOUR hard-earned money is inexcusable. Shame on whomever is doing that to you.
@@dpg227 That sounds like cute, except Canada is colder than Norway. Nice try though.
@@ElMistroFeroz Precisely. I am a proponent of a balanced energy and transportation infrastructure, let a thousand flowers bloom and let everyone select what works for them!
If you want ti increase the efficiency of a ICE car all you have to do is turn on the heater.
Bless this guy's heart for having patience and optimism when dealing with people who blatantly lie and misdirect.