Anti-Piracy in Nintendo DS Games | Pokemon, Dragon Quest + more (NDS)
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In this video DidYouKnowGaming takes a look at anti-piracy measures in several Nintendo 64 titles, such as Dragon Quest V, Chrono Trigger, and Pokemon!
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I had a thang called TTSDi with pirated ds games. But none of them had piracy protection. :)
Do a video on the Twisted Metal series!
I hope you have not tried the anti pirate of mario party ds
Dragon Quest V's anti-piracy measure is actually quite brilliant. A pirate who is cursed to sail the the seas forever and never lay anchor.
I agree. That's a totally good troll move
Arr, they got me good
I am suffering from this curse. I bought a cartridge but didn't know this going to happen. How i do to remove?
@@DuelistaProfissional you might not be able to, you're buying a fake cartridge
They got me with DQVI being stuck in a loop and waking up again at the campsite. I got another patched version to fixed it though.
I'm sorry but I'm not paying $150 for a copy. Crazy how high these things go up with time.
Back in the day I remember people saying you didn't get experience from the first fights in Pokemon Black and White, believing that it was a normal thing.
That's because Joe Merrick of Serebii was playing a pirated copy and spreading that info around like it was just a normal feature in the game.
@Trasheye I hate to break it to you, but B&W are over a decade old
@Trasheye In 2010 I regarded red and blue to be back in the days. fbm
@Trasheye 11 years ago counts as "back in the day"
@@MemeinAndDreamin Was the info released in April?
Pokemon not gaining any exp sounds like a brand new Nuzlocke rule.
search Smallant no EXP
No.
Smallant already did a no exp run, and coincidentally it was Black/White!
There js a action replay that allows the person playing the game to allow the pokemon to gain experience points in Pokemon Black and White.
@@joshernsteen2066 I used to play it on my phone with the exp patched ROM
My favorite part about this eShop shutdown debacle is the sudden rise of 3DS and Wii U homebrewing
Good, Nintendo deserves it for being so damn Anti Consumer.
Well what'd Nintendo EXPECT would happen? Nintendo, I grew up with you, I love you, but this is the dumbest shit. First they kill Virtual Console, now they want to get rid of all traces of Virtual Console? Hmm...yeah...I hear the sound of people not wanting MONEY!! >.
@@bluestreaker9242 More like the sound of fans getting more desperate to get their old games in any form that they would be fall into buying a $60 collection of ROMs or subscribe to a dysfunctional online subscription thanks to the artificial scarcity (and feeling like they "owe" something to Nintendo when they forced the situation)
@@bluestreaker9242 I'm so baffled that people don't understand that there are more games on Nes/Snes online than VC right now. It's free with online play, too. You don't have to pay for each one individually.
@@leafymeadow9811 VC offered more than NES/SNES; it offered GBC, GBA, DS, and N64. This isn't a good defense, imho. :/
I actually experienced that anti piracy block with Pokémon Black. I asked my parents for a copy of the game and they “gave me one.” The cartridge looked kinda weird and I questioned it, but they told me it was imported from the UK or something like that. I learned pretty quickly it wasn’t a normal Pokémon game and was really sad
Ouch
...did this version of the game happen to look like a black Game Boy cartridge?
@@dandelionProphet For me, no. Mine looked fairly normal as far as the label and it being a DS cartridge. The thing that confused me as a kid was the removable SD card that came inside my game, that was what threw me off. I think I’ve heard of other people having ones like that though. Did you have one?
@@katieb9428 I'm pretty sure that's a repackaged R4 card
@@xavierjuno4572 Yeah looking back on it I’m pretty sure that’s what it was, but I didn’t know that at the time
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To everyone saying the Giivasunner take down wasn't Nintendo/was an impostor: The official Team TH-cam account replied to that thread on Twitter confirming it was Nintendo that took them down.
I gotta love how someone makes a whole thread about it only for TH-cam to just say "actually that's not true" and in the first part no less. TH-cam even had the gall to say that the creator can still dispute them, basically implying that they weren't valid takedowns
It was someone who SAID they were Nintendo that took them down. Unless disputed, TH-cam doesn't require any kind of proof. You can copyright strike this video and say you're Nintendo if you want. Then DYKG gets copyrighted, then THEY have to say that the strike isn't legit and THEN you need to prove that you're Nintendo and that this is a copyright breach. These guys said at this point filing counterclaims simply isn't worth it, so wether it was Nintendo or not is unknown, as they never needed to actually identify themselves.
@@ReesesBees I love how every time this gets brought up, the Nintendo defense squad chimes in to act like it's all a big conspiracy and their beloved company can do no wrong. Yes, the company that has been proven to have taken down other music uploads in the past *definitely* didn't do it this time. It's all a conspiracy! Nintendo's being framed! The poor things! Listen to yourselves.
@@EskChan19 TH-cam themselves literally confirmed it was the real Nintendo. What more proof do you need?
@@famoussession7426 The whole theory about "it wasn't Nintendo, it was an imposter!" was just a viral thread some random teenager posted on Twitter. Then a bunch of TH-camrs made videos about the thread. Then later the teenager came back and said (paraphrasing) "oh nevermind, my theory was based on a misunderstanding of how claims work. I didn't mean to spread misinformation, sorry." Then TH-cam chimed in to confirm it was indeed Nintendo who filed the copyright claims. The whole thing's just a debunked Twitter fan theory. DYKG posted the receipts on Twitter earlier, if you wanna see em.
Edit: TH-cam saying Gilva can dispute the claims if he wants doesn't imply TH-cam thinks the claims were fake. That's a boilerplate response, they say that to pretty much everyone who raises a stink about copyright claims.
Piracy of things not being brought to market is such an interesting form of piracy. From my perspective, a product exists, you have the potential to sell it to me, but you don't. The next logical step is to figure out how I can get access to it via other means. It's basically the inverse of Steams original model (by making it easy to buy games, more people will buy them that might have otherwise pirated them).
And based on the 800+ games I have in my Steam library, they were dead on the money. The sales help too
except in a lot of cases they leave games without a way to obtain them again, which by technicality makes them abandonware.
@@UltimateGamerCC Abandonware have no legal significance though, except that it's pretty likely the IP owners won't enforce it - exception being companies like Nintendo.
@@ChlorideCull long as you keep your head down and aint trying to make money off them, you're good. people pirate retro games as much as they used to pirate music.
I always try to buy music before I download it. If I can give you money, I will. I also don't emulate games I haven't already paid for, and it's usually just an older game that I want to play through again that isn't on any digital stores.
That demo treatment is my favorite method of anti-piracy I've ever heard.
It's certainly better than what I encountered with the OG Sonic Adventure 2.
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This reminds me when the admin of the Serebii website was sharing coverage of B&W ahead of its release, and mentioned on the main site updates how his Pokemon weren't gaining experience, thinking it was due to the game being in a "tutorial" mode. Don't think I'll ever forget that.
Same. I started laughing when it got brought up in the video because it's something so funny it sticks out in my memory.
interesting that the diehard Pokémon fan that is the admin of Serebii didn't actually buy the game and support his beloved franchise :P
@pokemonduck
More interesting that his "early access" copy wasn't legit, yet he couldn't put 2 and 2 together.
When has a Pokemon game ever done something like that?
If they put half as much effort preserving games as they did during piracy we wouldn't have this problem
Besides being able to play the game for free, why do you care about game preservation? It’s Nintendo’s work and they don’t care about preservation, so why do you?
@@juansanchez209 We care because we want to be able to play our games while also being able to purchase them. People do not want to go to shady websites that could have malware or worse just to be able to play a game. We want to go to Nintendos official hardware and give them money to play their games aka Preservation.
If you still don't understand or think this is just people wanting something for nothing then I can't help you.
The thing is... The games are being preserved. This isn't about preservation. We know for a fact they preserve even the most obscure prototype nobody outside on Nintendo knew about. This all is because you want to be able to illegally download as much shit as you can and complain on a modding forum because the Wii U menu can't hold more than 300 titles at a time because who in their right mind would need more than 300 titles ready to go on your home menu.
@@diegomedina9637 yeah, who needs 300 games..... "Sweating profusely"
@@juansanchez209 some people care about history and don't want a repeat of the library of alexandria
i really wish nintendo fought the absurd pricings of second hand games as much as they fought piracy
It's a free market. Most used games aren't that expensive, and the rare ones that are expensive are because people are willing to pay that much for them.
Meanwhile, Nintendo has made many of those previously rare games available again in some form (although many will only be so for the next year, so get them while you can), and they just don't the rights to most of the others, so there's not much else Nintendo can do.
I'm sure we would all appreciate a remaster collection of "Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance" and "Radiant Dawn," though...
@@Compucles A lot of expensive used games are pretty rare, yeah - but you cannot convince me that the DS Pokemon games are that hard to find. These are games with sales in the millions, there's no way they're worth a hundred dollars.
...Huh? Secondhand game prices don't affect Nintendo whatsoever. Piracy does. Why should they fight something that doesn't hurt them?
@@L33PL4Y how much money does nintnedo get if i buy a 2nd hand copy?
how much does nintendo get if i pirate the game?
it's both zero. in fact, if i buy it 2nd hand, someone else makes money off of nintendos work, while with piracy nobody gets any money. you'd think someone else profiting off of them would trigger their lawers.
@@simpson6700 ...That's the nature of free market. Once someone buys something, it's theirs, and they can do what they want with it, including selling it. Why do you think Nintendo would have any power trying to stop second-hand game sales when literally anything and everything that exists can be sold second-hand? Piracy is stealing. The used market is universal and the things being resold were purchased, not stolen.
For a company that really hates piracy, their actions and policies often encourage it.
@@xxphazonzombiexx Well, lets use the most common thread, nowadays we're having a movement that advocates for preserving old games, as it is basically the history of the gaming area. There are several games that never saw a release outside of japan (like Gyakuten Kenji 2 mentioned in this video). So, people put the games online and translate em. There are also some games that just weren't released again for one reason or another.
So you have games that you want to play, but weren't released again. You have no choice but to go to Emuparadise or Coolrom to try and download that one game that you just can't buy again as easily, don't have the funds to pay a vintage console + forgotten game, not counting how some games reach "Legendary" status and sell off for hundreds of dollars on ebay, like original copies of Ocarina of Time and Mario 64.
Nintendo then proceeds to not only strike the websites down/ask em to remove their roms, but also never release some of them again (effectively risking losing this piece of gaming history for good) and charge extreme prices for those very games or sloppy remakes(Pokémon Lets go PIkachu/Eevee costs 60$ at full price. That's the very same price for Red Dead Redemption 2.). That's just asking for people to pirate em, otherwise there's no way to enjoy the games or the price's just too unfair compared to what they're getting.
@@xxphazonzombiexx in what world does that not make sense
@@Adaruvideos ocarina nor mario 64 are hundreds of dollars
Even though I love these kind of anti piracy measures, I can’t say I like Nintendo’s stances on basically anything to do with consumer friendliness
Piracy isn't consumer friendly, anything that harms the creators isn't going ot be good for the consumers in the long run.
@Tabrith Well... If you see the kind of shady websites full of adds those roms are stored at.
I still insist you people don't know what consumer friendly is. Whoever has a Wii U and a 3DS already bought whatever it was they were ever going to buy off the eShop. Who's going to buy games from a system that was considered a failure more than 10 years after release? Also just because the eShop is closing down doesn't mean we'll lost the ability to redownload titles from the eShop that we already bought. Even after the Wii Shop closed down i can still go in and redownload my copy of Super Mario Bros 3 that i bought back in 07.
@Tabrith According to who? The pirates?
@@diegomedina9637 Really? Cool.
The anti-piracy was so strong that it brought Charizard back to Charmander and made it go down 90 levels.
So exciting seeing the Megaman BattleNetwork/Starforce series on here!! I would love to see a video on either of the series!
Mega Man Star Force was my childhood and it needs more love
I think the "demo version" measures are brilliant.
The SNES/SFC had some interesting anti-piracy measures. Many of them had screens that would pop up with messages, when you tried to load them on copiers, such as the Super Magicom, and Super Wild Card. Others were downright diabolic! Like Donkey Kong Country, where they placed an object, in level 2, which was higher than Donkey Kong/Diddy Kong, could jump over. Essentially turning it into a 1 stage demo! A temp fix that I did, was to use a "Goldfinger" code, to jump higher, clear the block, then turn off the cheat.
Also, Demon's Crest, made the epilogue boss impossible to kill. I remember shooting him for about 30 minutes, before realizing they were F-ing with me! :P
Just wait till about EarthBound bcoz their Anti-Piracy is horrific
Earthbound is horrible in terms of anti piracy. They made it harder to play
Kirby Super Star had some not-so kid friendly splash screens... you could also trigger them by cartridge tilting.
@@lucss21a In addition to making it harder, the game will freeze during the fight with Giygas requiring the player to reset the system, after resetting the game the player would find all there save files deleted.
@@Kuja66613666 proof?
People wouldn't have to resort to piracy if Nintendo didn't keep shutting down eShops
Not even shutting down eshop, but migrating the content to the new system. No reason to leave content behind when they still have moneymaking potential with the over 100m switch owners
@@sonnyrynsaard3567 if they just migrated the old eshop people would get mad (or more mad than usual) that they didn't also get their games transferred over. so instead nintendo drip feeds you with rom releases they probably downloaded from one of those evil rom sites they shut down (they did that for the original super mario) and a terribly bad emulator made in house.
that was a long way of saying nintendo is greedy and evil...
"pokémon can't get exp in a pirated copy of the game"
Almost every poketuber: "Challenge accepted!" 🤓
Honestly I'd really love for Pokemon to have an Expert Mode like Xenoblade Chronicles Definitive Edition did: store EXP for later use, thus making the game as easy or as hard as you want to. It'd be really cool. :3
The hilarious part of this was they patched the anti-piracy in like 12 hours.
Has been done already
@@bluestreaker9242 lol basically just giving the required EXP Candy
Okay so there's a REALLY funny anecdote about the Black and White AP measures: Serebii reported about how you "don"t gain experience in the tutorial section", absolutely blasting themselves in the open about how they pirated the game.
It's especially funny when you see how vehemently anti-piracy Joe Merrick claims to be. :y
He only says that to be "brand-friendly" but I'm sure he follows the leaks closely and even downloads the ROMs weeks ahead of release (and then he buys the double-pack physically and digitally $240 to compensate)
@@DeepWeeb iirc, Serebii got sent a DMCA by Nintendo for their coverage of Black and White at the time, so Joe probably didn't give a shit about piracy at that point.
@Zilba Follie
Serebii got a DMCA for early/leaked coverage, so its the other way around if anything.
Same thing happened with X and Y because people were leaking data mined info.
my favorite anti piracy measure was from Earthbound on the snes. It let you play the game normally but with the condition of it being way harder. and as you are fighting the final boss, it freezes the game. Once you reset, your save file has been completely wiped
Other things have happened instead of this one like Corrupted sprites or other issues.
I tried to play Ghost Detective in such a manner and was wondering why I had a dud download.
Wasn't till many years later that I figured out what happened and someone having made a patch to fix the issue...
Perfect timing considering they're shutting down the eshops.
Remember, it's always morally correct to pirate Nintendo games if they're unavailable to purchase legally
It's morally correct to pirate Nintendo games if they ARE available and are badly emulated and overpriced.
@@DefinitiveDubs Get out
Remember, it's always morally correct to pirate Nintendo games
@@atre5763 No.
I can't believe Nintendo won't let me buy a game I had the opportunity to purchase for 15 years.
I learned the hard way as a kid that my copy of HeartGold was a bootleg. Only worked on the DSi and newer (would boot to a black screen on the DS Lite), Voltorb Flip would crash the game, and I couldn't transfer to Gen 5. Fortunately I grabbed the save data with my modded 3DS and was able to transfer them up that way.
Micheal Jackson’s The Experience had an interesting anti-piracy on the DS where the game would work but the audio would be noise and the cue notes never appear, deaming it unplayable.
But I think the most interesting anti-piracy measure in a DS title is WarioWare DIY where the game would work fine and you can even beat Mona’s episode, however in order to unlock the later episodes you need to pass 24 hours (or fast forward the DS clock) and reset the game, only to realize the created save file is corrupted as the game intentionally creates a corrupt save file so you cannot save your progress nor rely on save states as it requires a reset to unlock later episodes, preventing pirates from progressing.
''to deem something'' means ''to judge something''
@@pokemonduck judging it unplayable doesn't necessarily sound right but isn't wrong either
Ghost Trick is brilliant. Such a shame it’s not as well known as some others.
If Nintendo hate piracy so much, maybe they should give us better alternatives
I mean, that's literally what brought about the creation of Steam. Valve saw PC being full of pirates, and decided to make a system which would make it a lot easier to purchase PC games legitimately.
@@CiromBreeze You mean valve games going very cheap while sale?
As someone who owns an official Demo cartridge of FFCC: Ring of Fates I can confirm the same "Thanks for playing!" is present in it and can be seen after 20 minutes of playtime
Some anti-piracy measures out right tell the user that they are using an illegal copy of the game, and not only that, warn them that some aspects of the game are altered.
Even more bizarrely some of them don't actually hinder progression but make the game abysmally difficult.
Given how much of a success the DS was, there are some strange and interesting cases of anti-piracy that have not yet been covered by you guys.
“Nintendo appears to make a concerted effort to combat piracy more than the rest of its competition”
>shutting down 3DS/Wii U eShop servers in 2023, losing 600+ games
>N64 & Sega Genesis games exclusively through higher tier membership
>out for 5 years, only 2 themes for the Switch interface
>no real attempt at preserving legacy titles other than the most popular NES, SNES, N64 and Genesis titles.
>hacked Switches have been running Majora’s Mask since release, Nintendo’s version yet to come out
>NSO emulator controversy
>games are still up to $70 on the eShop and up to $300 on eBay
>no attempt to shut down wii guide, hshop, vimm’s lair, etc
>piracy has literally never been easier with hundreds of videos and online tutorials
But yes Nintendo is hard at work combating these pirates
Imagine patenting your games, never re-releasing them again and then complaining because someone is emulating it on an emulator of a console no longer produced by Nintendo and playing a game that isn't available anywhere other than second hand copies on eBay. Oh wow Nintendo's profits are going down because someone wants to play Eternal Darkness instead of waiting to get fucked again because the big game company doesn't want you having fun, they only want your money.
Can't patent games. Patents are for inventions, not creative works.
A crime is still a crime. Nintendo is in their right to stop you. Saying otherwise would be like saying that a thief is in their right to steal food from a market if they were fired from their job and needs to feed their 4 year olds kids.
@@togamibyakuya8016 There are multiple crimes that exist that no one enforces because they are dumb, just because something is illegal doesn't mean it is wrong
As for your specific example, it is completely legal in Italy to steal food because you are poor and hungry, so I don't think it's the gotcha you think it is.
@@1sdani *"There are multiple crimes that exist that..."*
That still doesn't meant that they aren't punishable, just that cops aren't doing their jobs correctly.
*"just because something is illegal..."*
Says who? The laws are the laws, plain and simple. If somethis is wrong it is.
*"so I don't think it's the gotcha you think it is."*
You sure? Because my example reflects something perfectly: A need to survive. Games don't fit that category, so this exemption goes out of the window.
@@togamibyakuya8016 its just a game chill plus no one makes $0 on these games anymore
You know you peaked as a gaming channel when you mention CLUB PENGUIN
Honestly I've played through Pokémon Black in its entirety twice. The first time was emulated, and I luckily didn't got hit with the anti-piracy. The second time, my brother travelled to New York and went to the Nintendo Store and managed to buy me an official copy, which I played fully in my 3DS.
Fast forward a bit. I sold my 3DS off in 2017ish, and back at the end of 2021, I was really homesick of the game since I played it during the christmas period, and I was just craving for playing it under the christmas tree lights again. So I downloaded a DS emulator to my phone, downloaded a copy of pokémon black and got to work.
15 minutes later I realized I was hit with the anti-piracy when I caught 2 pokémon and my Snivy was still level 5. I was pretty pissed at how there was a copy and an emulator out there that was "incompetent enought to fall in the anti piracy", but then it hit me I was also stupid enought to think I was just too smart to ever fall to it.
Still found a patched copy tho, VAI BRASIL.
Games should just release demo's again. Especially nowadays where companies like to cut edges and their games are getting worse and worse while still having the same absurd high price.
You do know that console demos have become more and more common over the years, don't you?
I've never understood the motive behind this. Do they really think people who pirate the game, then realize it doesn't work correctly are going to immediately assume the reason is that they pirated it and then run out to buy the game? More than likely, they're simply going to assume the game is broken and then go pirate something else or not play it. There are plenty of people who spent legitimate money on ds games they thought were legitimate only for them to be bootlegged and unplayable because of stuff like this and it definitely didn't make them suddenly want to go buy the game legitimately. It's just a dumb annoyance that makes it harder for future game preservation and annoys random people, but does nothing to actually make the game more profitable.
Yeah, a message should just pop up eventually that says "This is a pirated copy, please purchase the game if you want to complete it" or something like that.
The only way for you to accidentally get bootleg games is if you buy them off another person on like Ebay or something, meaning the original developers and publisher don't get any money whatsoever from that purchase. They want you to buy the game from a legitimate source, like an established retailer or their own digital store. That way, they get money and you don't risk getting a bootleg.
@@leetri youv clearly never been to another country, and also missed the point. The point is that randomly making something not work in the game doesn't make people who didn't buy the game suddenly want to buy the game.
Some of these anti-pirate methods seem really creative and cool.
Especially the one with the 20 minutes timer.
Other than that, I am happy that I earn the money to buy games myself... unless storefronts get shutdown that is.
If Nintendo doesn't want us to pirate their games, they shouldn't keep giving us reasons to pirate them.
Because making the game accesible is such a good reason to pirate.
@@LuccianoBartolini what accessibility? I can't fucking get 90% of these games legally anymore, and the other 10% is only because I already own them from when they were regularly priced. they hardly have any of these games on their current switch emulation, and they're closing down the stores on the 3ds and wii u. that's the opposite of accessible, a person with low income like me can't justify paying hundreds of dollars for physical copies of these games on places like ebay because they're taking away any reasonable ways to play them legally. not to mention, physical copies will all stop working eventually, so piracy is also good for preservation as well. acting like piracy is a genuine problem is such an ignorant point of view.
@@daanthedoctor LOL
Nintendo just released the trailer for Majora's Mask and there's a lot of time between now and 2023 (when the eShop is actually dead) to bring those games to modern systems.
Talking about the Wii U like, dude, I DEFENDED the Wii U when it was alive and EVERYBODY MOCKED IT AND ASKED NINTENDO TO KILL IT. Well, their wish is granted, and don't act as if it never happened, there are plenty of youtube videos mocking the console.
And, please, don't come ot me with the "I can't afford this games because I'm low income" because I freaking live in Venezuela and has managed to buy ORIGINAL PS2 games (which is harder than it sounds) and even find obscure games on the PS3, DS, Wii and even Genesis games on physical. Don't try to manipulate me with the "I'm poor" narrative when I'm freaking poorer than you and still manage to find and buy original games on a country that is 60%+ pirated games.
@@LuccianoBartolini excellent points here, nintendo porting ONE GAME (that's insanely popular too, mind you) is apparently showing they're trying to preserve ALL of their games! and apparently mentioning that my income is low and thus I can't afford hundreds of dollars of overpriced games is "manipulation" instead of actual reasoning as to why I can't afford to spend so much money on second-hand games.
also what the hell does other people saying they hated the wii u have to do with anything? that doesn't suddenly justify getting rid of the only reasonable legal way to get tons of games when they clearly have enough money to keep it up. your logic is extremely stupid. why are you even bothering to defend this shitty behavior? it's not like the original creators even make any money off of assholes reselling games for 5 times their original price anyways. you're just defending a company's ridiculous practices for no reason, they don't care about you and they don't care about their customers aside from getting money. but they don't even make money from the games lots of people are trying to pirate anymore because most of the even "legal" ways of getting them are resellers anyways. just because they're giving us a heads up doesn't make it much better either when you know damn well a lot of those are never gonna be ported to the switch or anywhere else because nintendo doesn't care.
but I guess just because I wanted to download a 15 year old game that's not even being made anymore instead of paying some random asshole $200 for it I'm a shitty person suddenly and the greedy corporation definitely isn't at fault at all.
@@daanthedoctor "excellent points here, nintendo porting ONE GAME"
Thank you for the compliment, but wrong, Nintendo isn't porting just ONE game, it has also ported two of the Earthbound games, as well as some Sega Genesis games and even Banjo Kazooie, which indicates that more games may come on the way.
"apparently mentioning that my income is low and thus I can't afford hundreds of dollars of overpriced games is "manipulation""
Pretty much, why are you trying to get all games instead of just buying the ones you will actually play? I know plenty of cases of individuals that have their Steam accounts filled with unplayed games, heck, even I do. So, sure, you may have low income, but it doesn't mean you cannot buy a game. You only have to be smart about it.
"hated the wii u have to do with anything? that doesn't suddenly justify getting rid of the only reasonable legal way to get tons of games when they clearly have enough money to keep it up."
LOL
No, Nintendo doesn't have that much money. Nobody in its right mind will keep a system, that cost millions to keep alive, that literally NOBODY USES (so no money coming back from that) just so people that doesn't even own the system can be happy.
Asking otherwise is demanding Nintendo to go bankrupt.
Being real, do you EVEN OWN A WII U? If Nintendo keeps it alive, will you buy a Wii U or use their system so they can have the money to keep it alive? Don't fool me, you know the answer is NO.
" why are you even bothering to defend this shitty behavior?"
Because it isn't sh*tty, it's actual logic.
"it's not like the original creators even make any money off of assholes reselling games for 5 times their original price anyways."
That's irrelevant. We're not talking about resellers, we're talking about pirates... speaking off...
"but they don't even make money from the games lots of people are trying to pirate anymore"
Actually, yes, piracy DO hurts them, because it means a sale less and (in the case of the pirated game being in a bad state) give bad PR about the game.
At least resellers are keeping the OG game alive, unlike pirates, that take the OG game away form its original state for the sake of personal profit.
" just because they're giving us a heads up doesn't make it much better either when you know damn well a lot of those are never gonna be ported to the switch or anywhere else because nintendo doesn't care."
Dude, there are plenty of games in there that AREN'T from Nintendo and many of those games already have ports or WILL have ports on future consoles and, let's be real, nobody will miss the actually bad games (like cash grabs and shovelware)
" I guess just because I wanted to download a 15 year old game that's not even being made anymore instead of paying some random asshole $200 "
LOL
I bought Pokémon Silver for the GBC for far less than that, and prices here are already expensive as they are.
I also bought PS2 games that cost even less than that. Heck, Puppeteer costed me about 5$ and it's a hidden gem on the PS3.
Meanwhile, small companies try to keep old games alive by porting them to modern consoles.
Man. It was always so enjoyable playing ds games all through the night. Gave you a reason to live.
4:18 When you said Hey Hurry up, Touch the Train Kid….I knew that would show up!😂😂
Nintendo also promotes piracy by giving people no options to play older games outside of emulation.
How are they "promoting piracy"? Committing a crime is a choice, a choice you shouldn't take.
@@togamibyakuya8016 Nintendo continues to make it impossible to buy games for older consoles, evidentiated by their recent choice to discontinue older model DS games.
If there's no way to buy an official copy, people will resort to piracy to play those older games. Thus, Nintendo is promoting piracy through it's own poor decisions.
@@OnlyGetty *"evidentiated by their recent choice to discontinue older model DS games."*
Because the E-Shop wasn't mataining itself anymore and keeping up both services wasn't a good idea.
*"people will resort to piracy to play those older games."*
They are still wrong, plain and simple. Stealing is never right.
@@togamibyakuya8016 Nintendo offers no solution other than piracy. Nintendo doesn't offer physical copies anymore and are discontinuing the only other method of legally acquiring a copy. They are content letting those generations die, then selling sub-par ports years later.
@@togamibyakuya8016 It's not stealing. Stealing implies someone gaining something while someone else loses that thing. Nintendo doesn't lose anything from Bobby downloading a rom of Super Duper Adventure for the NES, because a) nintendo doesn't sell NES anymore, and neither do they b) sell legit copies of Super Duper Adventure digital or physical, and c) Super Duper Adventure's developer, Real Studio, doesn't even exist anymore. When Bobby downloads the game, neither Nintendo nor Real Studio lose money, because it's not money they could get anyway. Pirates preserved a rom of Super Duper Adventure while Nintendo didn't, just so future generations can play it, and they don't even charge for it
Love binge watching these videos
Imagen playing phoenix right
And suddenly phoenix gets put on trial for pirating
Who will win:
- Corporations wasting money on DRM.
OR
- An endless legion of recreational programmers who dismantle DRM for fun and pro-consumerism.
Just found about these anti piracy measures after being stuck in the Dragon Quest V ship, great video
One of my favorite anti-piracy measures was in Game Dev Tycoon. If you are playing on a pirated copy of the game, it becomes incredibly hard to make any money in it, because the better quality of the games you produce, the more times your game is pirated. The irony was apparently completely lost on a lot of pirates who outed themselves on forums to complain.
One thing I learned when playing my personal backup of new games. Never run to a forum asking 'why won't my game work?'
If it wasn't for those illegal DS flashcards that have a bunch of pirated DS games on them, I never would've played Pokémon Platinum. That game got me into the franchise and significantly helped me to learn English because it made reading fun. Afterwards I bought many Nintendo games (including Pokémon) legitimately. So I can understand that Nintendo doesn't like pirates, but in my case, I got to try some games I wouldn't have otherwise been able to, made me a fan, and got me to buy many of their products
My introduction to gaming was a snes emulator with bomberman roms
Just saying, I may only be a gamer who pays for some of the games she plays now, because as a child, piracy was the only option (nintendo didn't even sell anything in russia back then)
I will never forget "DBZ: Buu's Fury" and their anti-piracy measures.
it was essentially a free demo of the tutorial level.
As a result i have *never* forgotten that gem of a game, and NEVER will.
GilvaSunner's videos were removed by Nintendo, as confirmed by TH-cam on Twitter.
It was not an impersonator.
twitter.com/TeamTH-cam/status/1490092359228526592?t=yeIIOux_c4pP3At0YdquKA&s=19
That part where the funeral and slivagunner's (so sorry if name is wrong) picture was shown made sob a little inside
A couple minutes in, I randomly thought to myself it would be nice to see a video on Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective, then a few seconds later it showed up! Seriously, that game is so good.
Joke's on you, Nintendo. I speak Wingdings.
The war of Nintendo against pirates is sad because is never going to end, I'm not saying that they should allow piracy, but they could try not to erase their games or music from the face of the earth in the process
It is perfectly fine to pirate old Nintendo games.
Newer ones like Metroid Dread, like c'mon. No need for that.
But if you want to play Eternal Darkness or Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance and such... well go nuts.
7:43 "but it was a very effective one."
I see what you did there you cheeky bastards.
Forgot to mention that Kirby Planet Robobot and the Pokemon series soundtracks are on iTunes. If you have a Japanese account, you can get Mother 3 music as well.
Imagine the pirated versions with the weird text is quicker and therefore more favourable in speedruns that would be hilarious.
Nobody:
The first two seconds of today's dykg:
I’d kill for the Megaman Battle Network games to get a rerelease.
Technically, they did get re-released on the Wii U, and you can still buy them there for the next year.
Square Enix really said “You wanna be a pirate? Fine. Be a pirate then.” and meant it.
The idea of soft locking the games in order to give the player a slight taste is actually pretty smart. Opposed to just outright banning them, now they might have seen enough to decide if it’s worth buying it legally.
More companies should pirate their own games, supplying a copy which gives a demo of the experience and ending with a plea for support if you liked the game and want to continue.
There is only a very few handful companies I'd ever say piracy is warranted and Nintendo is 3 of them
I'd say most non-indies
No
Gilva was a legend
Is that a Diamond/Pearl HUD with 5th gen charizard and charmander sprites on a gen 3 battle background?
I tried playing Platinum with cheats on an emulator recently and my starter (Chimchar) kept randomly becoming a Voltorb, while my rival chose Turtwig. That have something to do with anti-piracy?
Is that really a thing? Because I do the same and it hasn't ever happened to me. Then again, I don't use many cheats aside from the 100% catch rate and the occasional wild encounter modifier. Maybe an EXP booster if necessary.
I do recall something about people phoning Nintendo, because they couldn't get past the opening of Mario&Luigi - Bowser's Inside Story - since the game soft locks when choosing a save file when playing using an illegitimate copy via R4 card. I don't know whether this is actually an anti-pitacy measure that was put there in purpose, or just the game being in a bugged state due to on-board flash check mismatch as an error prevention thing.
Either way, I was able to confirm this behavior on an original R4 (Revolution For DS) flash cart. Really fascinating...
I remember when Serebii was posting information based on the pirated copy of Pokémon Black and White. Much as I like the information they provide, that was pretty damning.
I recall another anti-piracy measure in Time Hollow. At the game's second chapter, it will freeze.
Black and white technically can't be finished with the anti piracy measures in place. The game will crash if you open your bag, and you need to do that to use the required HM cut
I've always heard people say that the Ring of Fates "thank you for playing!" thing could pop up even in legitimate copies of the game due to a glitch.
However, as someone who's played that game multiple times over the 15 years since it's release, I've certainly never seen it happen, so I doubt it :P
Maybe your copy didn't have the glitch
The video is about the ds but the discription says nintendo 64 piracy. Idk if they will edit this?
Thing is, if Nintendo wanted to get rid of the eshop, they could at *LEAST* let us have some way of playing or buying these games, not kick us in the balls and be all "haha! We're not going to do anything so you can have these classic games!"
@David Jameson Yeah the closure of the eShop doesn't affects people already pirating because they already have as many back ups as the could possibly want and it doesn't really affects legit users because they already bought whatever they were interested in and you'll be able to redownload whatever software you previously bought. This is all just the internet trying to justify piracy. Just say you wanna pirate just for the heck of it, don't give me the "It's morally ok to pirate AAA games" shit.
@@diegomedina9637 not everyone who wants to play those games have bought it yet, not a hard concept to wrap your head around
They did. It's called warning us a year in advance so we can buy them while we can. Aside from the online components, it's not like the games are going to stop working afterwards.
@@AuroraAce. Well they had like 10 years to buy it so there should have zero complains in this regard
@@diegomedina9637 bro some people who want to play these games weren't even *born* 10 years ago, the world isn't stagnant new people are getting into gaming and into franchises everyday. isit that hard of you to imagine someone might not have played every game that had ever released? have you played every Wii u game that you might have enjoyed? do you even know every Wii u title that has been released? I can't tell if you are acting like you have no critical thinking skills to troll or if you are genuinely thus thick
Combats Piracy
Does nothing to preserve their own History.
Great job
Sounds like an improvement to ghost trick. Over the excessive and endless tutorial, where even the last puzzle of the game is gated behind tutorial dialogue telling you what to do
I miss the megman battle network/ starforce series. I want more of these games
In gen 4, you have to tap the button on a Pokeball on the touch screen. I think that could have been an attempt at anti-piracy, since you couldn't get past that point if you couldn't tap it.
Emulators would use the mouse for the stylus.
Too bad it wasn't mentioned here, but the Sims 3 on the original DS also had some creative anti-piracy. If you played a pirated copy your needs would actually go down when using objects that would otherwise increase them (so basically your Sim would get hungry from eating). They actually put more effort into the anti-piracy than the rest of the game, as otherwise it's actually pretty bad, but it was amusing to see.
Piracy is the only real mean of videogame preservation.
Plenty of people are preserving old games the legal way. They just can't make them available to other people for free. Piracy has nothing to do with game preservation.
@@Compucles I don't agree with that but, that's ok.
I'm surprised you guys didn't mention the amazing anti-piracy check for Skullgirls
This video is just about DS games
@@TheFrozenBelle Oh, right
around 12 years ago, my dad got me and my brother a copy of dragon quest V for a plane trip to visit family. while my brother's copy worked perfectly fine, Mine got stuck on the boat. I had a pirated copy apparently, and was super confused why the game wouldnt progress properly. It wasn't until about 1 year ago, when you released a video that included the tidbit about this anti piracy measure, and it was like a shattering moment. "Thats why that fucking happened oh my god." me and my brother found it hilarious.
Honestly, that no exp in black white made for a great level cap code when used as a cheat code.
Gamers: Complains about the lack of class titles on Switch, specially that can be played solely offline.
Nintendo: 😴
Gamers: Starts resorting to piracy and emulation on PC to relive the good old times or find new games.
Nintendo: 👿
Weird. I played Black in both Japanese and English illegitimately close to launch, and I don't remember them having such issues, but then again, that was, what, fifteen years ago?
Wouldn't pay for a Nintendo music service but I would buy a CD of Nintendo music played at the themepark. Watched a few vlogs that tourists shot footage inside the Japanese shops, I really like the tunes they selected.
Love this content
Weapon shop de omasse is one of my favorite 3ds games.
Most anti-piracy checks were a waste of developer's time, as skilled "pirate" coders would have all of the checks patched even before the game hit retail shelves. I suppose they still had to try though. :P
Those early days on sale are crucial for sales, if they slow it down even a couple days or weeks, it could help the game
DYG always be putting the Pokémon related stuff at the end of these kinds of videos. Is anyone else tired of that too or just me?
The problem I have with most anti-piracy measures is they're so heavy-handed that even if a pirate decides to pick the game up later if your game is so anti-piracy they just won't
Most pirates have no intent of buying the game later in the first place. Meanwhile, if the anti-piracy measures are strong enough to prevent them from enjoying the game, some of them will actually go out and buy it rather than wait for a workaround. Really, such measures add more sales than they subtract.
@@Compucles 💯
many pirates do it for the demo really. so making a timed demo out of the game as a piracy feature is interesting. also makes it a nice speedrun category lol. how far can you get before you get timed out.
Should re name this channel, did you know nintendo.
What makes you think that? Their recent vids have only spewed hatred towards Nintendo
what's the music that starts at 7:30?
haha this goes up in the wake of a certain controversy that's going on right and it just shows Nintendo or any company really doesn't care about their customers, it's disgusting (Wii U & 3DS Eshop closures)
What consumers? Who's buying a Wii U nowadays and actually buying games off the eShop 4 years since the end of it's lifespan? Whoever bought a Wii U and bought games for it already bought whatever there was to buy in that system's eShop even Meme Run. They'll even allow people to keep downloading stuff people already has so it's not like we're going to loose Access to the games we already bought.
@@diegomedina9637 i think it is very wise to push back against this for game preservations sake
@@James-gj8rn Yeah very naive of you to assume pirates didn't already backed up everything there was to back up from the eShop years ago. Not only that but Nintendo themselves have everything preserved as well. The Giga leak proves they indeed had preserve pretty much their entire work. So, Nintendo themselves have preserve their games and pirates have also preserved the games, so who cares they're shutting down the eShop if 2 parties already have everything preserved?
@@diegomedina9637 well then the next question becomes (and i'm sure you see this coming) Why isn't Nintendo releasing that stuff for the Switch, with the eshops going away, it would be the smart thing to do and don't even get me started on subscriptions :'D
@@James-gj8rn Why isn't Sony releasing PS3 games on PS5? I don't know their reasoning behind releasing or not releasing stuff. Do you think i work for Nintendo? The only thing i know is that the change from Virtual Console to the subscription based system might have been because virtual console sales were quite low on the Wii U.
My legit copy of Chrono Trigger did the loop on my DSi. Felt that was a little weird
Guess some sort of corruption happened and triggered it.
Sounds like a bug or corruption.
When the DRM harms paying customers instead of pirates! (they just patch it out)
I can't believe the AAI2 one, this is too funny
Peak comedic timing
Company: "How can we stop our games getting pirated?"
Worker A: "Anti-Piracy"
Worker B: "Add DRM from which paying customers are getting hurt."
Work C "Listen to community especially when there is outrage when we did bad thing."
Worker c gets tossed put of window.
Now I understand why my Oshawott wasn't gaining any exp in the R4 someone sold to my dad