Thank you greatly for following through with testing other resins (having to trick the machine into thinking your using Heygears “locked-in resins). We appreciate all the extra time & effort you had to expend. Also glad Heygears allowed manual closing of the “resin gate” and bypass of “low resin” warnings (makes me wonder if the “resin sensor” was even working!) so you could manually pour resin into vat.
Absolutely brilliant review, I still wouldn’t buy it aswell but it’s good to know you can use 3rd party resins, realistically there’s absolutely no reason it wouldn’t. But thanks for doing this it was great to see a content creator telling it how it is not being biased because you’ve been given the machine.
So I have tried Elegoo ABS-Like Grey, Vulcan and am trying a mix of Elegoo ABS-Like with Phrozen Aqua 4K at the moment. I will say that it will print, and the detail of the print is still very impressive, there are a lot of areas where the Blueprint supports failed which goes to show how brilliantly Hey Gears has dialed in their settings with their resins (although to be fair, there were a couple of smaller fails in the print using HeyGears PAP10 too). All in all, I feel like it provides a good case for HeyGears to open up Blueprint to other resins knowing that you may have to beef up the supports by manually adding supports or at the very least, make the Reflex available to Lychee and Chitubox. Much like Bambu Labs, the convenience of plug and play is generally preferred so using HeyGears resins is ideal, however, for those times when either HeyGears is out of stock on resins (as they are currently, looking forward to getting more PAP10 when it restocks in early May) or you are doing a test print to analyze a relative size, proportions and weight of a prototype where using a pricier resin like PAP10 doesn't make fiscal sense, opening up the option for 3rd party resins still allows me to use my Reflex in all instances instead of switching to another printer for testing and then using the reflex for final production. At the very least, a lower cost resin refill that does not use the HeyGears bottles similar to Bambu Labs filament would still fit the higher end prosumer market without gouging them.
Great test, thanks, I may be wrong here but I think Hey Gears are targeting a different segement, (smaller professionals?) the machine is really similar to a FormLabs 3 and that system costs around £10k for the full package and the resins are sold at £125/l so it represents a significant saving on that front. Just speculating here but for a business who can pass the costs onto consumers, such as dentistry the cost of resin may matter less than the ease of use. Either way great test, lots of hobbyists (me included) find the closed loop model frustrating.
I would agree with you have they not been targeting the consumer market they already have a business market but know their targeting the consumer market
Aye absolutely, i do think there is some room in the Prosumer space, but you're 100% correct that theyare mad if they think most folks will shell out that sort of money given the alternatives available.@@greedy3d480
Great video! At that price per kg it really sounds like a money grab if they don't support other slicers and cannot change resin types. Glad to see it works fine with other resins.
I think the reason the Heygears printer uses its own slicer and its own resin is because they're an industrial player entering the consumer space. They'd be used to selling printers on service contracts, with consumables provided as part of that contract, and training for operators. When industrial companies enter the consumer space they try to bring the expertise they've got from their market, and then we say "can I use my cheap resin? Can I use my preferred slicer?" and Heygears are just confused more than anything. I don't think it's a cynical/evil move to lock consumers in, they just literally didn't anticipate the needs of the consumer market.
I started looking into resin printers, stumbled across HeyGear and my first thought was, this is a ‘turn key’ commercial unit targeting pros that are using them daily and have the margin for paying a premium, they aren’t a hobbyist printer nor are they targeting the hobbyist market. (Hobbyist Market - defined as individuals trying to get the highest results at the lowest price and have the time to tinker to do so). Still on my list as an option as my time is a premium.
Thank you so much for making this video! It was super useful and answered a ton of questions I had 👏 Would you happen to know if I were to purchase the clear UltraPrint branded resin and use resin dyes to change the color would this be a good or bad idea? For some reason, I can't find any color options on their website when it comes to transparent/translucent resin
Has anyone tried Elegoo Grey ABS-Like or Vulcan resin on this printer? Mine came with one bottle of PAP10 and I am afraid I am going to run out mid print on some prototypes and it looks like HeyGears is out of stock so I can't even order any of their expensive resin. I don't normally use Elegoo Grey or Vulcan ( had a ton of success with Sirayatech 80% Navy Grey and 20% Tenacious) but figure of all the resins I have hanging around, that might be the closest in terms of properties to PAP10.
And that's exactly why I wouldn't buy one too - you shouldn't have to trick a printer into thinking its using its own resin - I just wanted to show that it can be bypassed if needed
Hiya, I was really pleased to see this video, now I'm a novice too 3D printing and I'm thinking of buying this Heygears UltraCraft Reflex 3D Printer because I'd like to print some 1:76 / 00 scale model buses which are obviously different to miniatures. As Heygears are trying to tie you in to using their proprietary resin so I'd like to know from your point of view which resin did you find to be similar in its properties to the Heygears UltraPrint-Production PAP10 Precise Detail Resin If this was the resin you used? as I was thinking of using this to start with as it's free because obviously if I buy this machine I won't be using their resin! I'll be using a much cheaper one and just pour it in the same bottle, so I'd be interested to know your thoughts because all these things will help make my decision on whether I will buy this particular machine because everything about it looked really great except for the fact that they're trying to get you to use their resin and you can't dial things in which isn't a problem in my case because being a novice I don't know how to do all of that stuff anyway so for it to be done for me is a bonus?, many thanks my friend, I look forward to hearing from you, Chris.
@@greedy3d480 asking because all resin printers are not accurate from built plate. Maybe you can make few prints to check this printers accuracy? Really interested in this printer, but all parts what i print are used in mechanical things, so looking for best choice.
I need an Info. i also have the RS and i install the vat heated but im not using the pusle module. i try with some 3th brand resin and also with Heygears parp10 orange resin but the supports left a lot fo mark on the model. The previous resin print Reflex instead works perfeclty with the original resin and didnt left any marks. Do oyu have also this "issue" with the heygears and not original resin?
Was just deciding between this and the GK2 from information, Would have loved this one, but no 3rd party resins is a no go, though I do not use the cheapest and no sunlu, but I do want to have the choice of what materials I use for loads of different projects. If they would just sell an empty bottle and allow you to put in the Resins own attributes, I'd be happy and would have went with them.
I agree with you however, the more i use it the more i like it and now that ive established it works with jamghe and sunlu easily its turned into my goto printer....if im also honest though i wouldn't have paid the money they are asking for it , i really like the slicer and supports ...i like the wireless connectivity ..its quirky though - forever giving errors when i start a new print BUT its usually as theers something like a bit of support floating in the vat ....so i guess its doing its job , im going to do an uopdate on using it in a few months
yeah for me the draw would be the plug and play, I was actually wondering what happens with the floating micro bits of cured resin you will end up with at one point, I will be waiting for your longterm review. But I think the bottle system is something that will come to all printers at some point and most likely with a non-propiretory version of it, I mean with heated beds, self leveling and refilling already, it gets much more into the actual consumer and not enthusiast area with #D printing now, which is a good thing, as longa s we as users do not cater to companies trying to lock off their ecosystems totally, especially regarding consumables like resin. I need Good ABS like water washable resins, I want to dable with wax resins for doing jewalery and rubber like resins for a few other projects. I do neet and want adaptability regarding the materials I want to be able to use, I do not need to want to buy a whole new setup just because I need or want to change materials. . @@greedy3d480
I mean it s*** that it is not officially supported but the same was with Zortrax printers but they opened it up later for external filament. Despite that they want to increase their revenue, they also want to make sure that you always have the same quality.
I just think we need to look at what we do have which is an excellent 3D printer that you can use third party resins in easily yes its geared towards their own proprietary resins it really doesn't detract from the printer because using third party resins is an option.. I also think they will drop the price of their resins to be more competitive
Some suggestions for Heygears if they want to open up the printer: 1) Allow third-party slicers (Chitu, Lychee, Tango, etc) and add API support. 2) In “Blueprint” slicer, add ability for user to add custom resins and make custom resin profiles, and add ability for user to adjust print parameters (exposure times, lift times, etc), even on Heygears resins. 3) Heygears should then sell “empty, blank bottles” that users could fill (and label) with third-party resins. 4) Heygears should have a “manual fill” touchscreen setting that would “close the resin gate” and guide the user for filling the vat, sensing resin level, without certain warning messages that have to be bypassed. 5) Heygears should come out with upgraded printer with 8K, 12K, or 14K screen that has larger build area and 24 micron (or so) pixel size to be competitive with current competition (especially for the high cost of this machine). Any other ideas? Please comment!
Question for you Greedy: I originally thought that Heygears had some sort of “QR code” on each resin bottle, and that once bottle inserted in the machine, the machine could “read” the QR code on the bottle and automatically determine (and select in software) the specific resin bottle that was inserted for use. Apparently not so. The machine can’t auto-detect the resin type and, therefore, you must still manually select the inserted resin “in the slicer program” (and can’t even select the resin on the LCD touch panel). Please confirm the above. Thanks!
No I don't think you're right there is an RF tag in the bottle that tells the printer what is in it I know this because I've told the slicer what I'm using but when I used a different resin ie I put a different bottle in it recognised there was a mistake
Thanks for the clarification / correction. Interesting. Well, each bottle having RFID is a good check to prevent “user error” selecting the wrong resin in the slicer (or is that only a warning showing up on the touchscreen after the sliced file has been sent to the printer? so many questions!). Anyway, having RFIDed bottles would slightly complicate matters if Heygears wanted to open up their printer and sell a “blank bottle” that users could use as a “custom” bottle for third-party resins. If their slicer allowed users to make several “custom” resin profiles, and Heygears sold, let’s say 3 or 5 “blank” bottles, each bottle with a unique RFID identity, then users could have 3 to 5 custom third-party resin bottles.
Deciding factor not to buy this model - we have all been burned by ordinary printer ink prices - its like using three hundred year old brandy for ink for the price of it. Cant understand why they decided to go that way in their marketing strategy. Theres no point having a consumer item if you cant afford to use it.
I wouldn't be surprised if they close this out in the same way that Epson did when people started refilling their ink cartridges. I won't mention the specifics, you never know who's reading lol 😨 It's one of those 'if you know, you know' things 😜
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Thank you greatly for following through with testing other resins (having to trick the machine into thinking your using Heygears “locked-in resins). We appreciate all the extra time & effort you had to expend. Also glad Heygears allowed manual closing of the “resin gate” and bypass of “low resin” warnings (makes me wonder if the “resin sensor” was even working!) so you could manually pour resin into vat.
Absolutely brilliant review, I still wouldn’t buy it aswell but it’s good to know you can use 3rd party resins, realistically there’s absolutely no reason it wouldn’t. But thanks for doing this it was great to see a content creator telling it how it is not being biased because you’ve been given the machine.
So I have tried Elegoo ABS-Like Grey, Vulcan and am trying a mix of Elegoo ABS-Like with Phrozen Aqua 4K at the moment. I will say that it will print, and the detail of the print is still very impressive, there are a lot of areas where the Blueprint supports failed which goes to show how brilliantly Hey Gears has dialed in their settings with their resins (although to be fair, there were a couple of smaller fails in the print using HeyGears PAP10 too). All in all, I feel like it provides a good case for HeyGears to open up Blueprint to other resins knowing that you may have to beef up the supports by manually adding supports or at the very least, make the Reflex available to Lychee and Chitubox. Much like Bambu Labs, the convenience of plug and play is generally preferred so using HeyGears resins is ideal, however, for those times when either HeyGears is out of stock on resins (as they are currently, looking forward to getting more PAP10 when it restocks in early May) or you are doing a test print to analyze a relative size, proportions and weight of a prototype where using a pricier resin like PAP10 doesn't make fiscal sense, opening up the option for 3rd party resins still allows me to use my Reflex in all instances instead of switching to another printer for testing and then using the reflex for final production. At the very least, a lower cost resin refill that does not use the HeyGears bottles similar to Bambu Labs filament would still fit the higher end prosumer market without gouging them.
Great test, thanks, I may be wrong here but I think Hey Gears are targeting a different segement, (smaller professionals?) the machine is really similar to a FormLabs 3 and that system costs around £10k for the full package and the resins are sold at £125/l so it represents a significant saving on that front. Just speculating here but for a business who can pass the costs onto consumers, such as dentistry the cost of resin may matter less than the ease of use. Either way great test, lots of hobbyists (me included) find the closed loop model frustrating.
I would agree with you have they not been targeting the consumer market they already have a business market but know their targeting the consumer market
Aye absolutely, i do think there is some room in the Prosumer space, but you're 100% correct that theyare mad if they think most folks will shell out that sort of money given the alternatives available.@@greedy3d480
I'd like to see how Phrozen's RPG resin fares with the RS
Great video! At that price per kg it really sounds like a money grab if they don't support other slicers and cannot change resin types. Glad to see it works fine with other resins.
Well done with some very important compatibility testing.
Thank you 👍
great review
I think the reason the Heygears printer uses its own slicer and its own resin is because they're an industrial player entering the consumer space. They'd be used to selling printers on service contracts, with consumables provided as part of that contract, and training for operators. When industrial companies enter the consumer space they try to bring the expertise they've got from their market, and then we say "can I use my cheap resin? Can I use my preferred slicer?" and Heygears are just confused more than anything. I don't think it's a cynical/evil move to lock consumers in, they just literally didn't anticipate the needs of the consumer market.
Your right I agree
Based on the quality of the machine and its results, I agree with you 100%.
I started looking into resin printers, stumbled across HeyGear and my first thought was, this is a ‘turn key’ commercial unit targeting pros that are using them daily and have the margin for paying a premium, they aren’t a hobbyist printer nor are they targeting the hobbyist market. (Hobbyist Market - defined as individuals trying to get the highest results at the lowest price and have the time to tinker to do so). Still on my list as an option as my time is a premium.
Well done.
Excellent 👍
Thank you so much for making this video! It was super useful and answered a ton of questions I had 👏 Would you happen to know if I were to purchase the clear UltraPrint branded resin and use resin dyes to change the color would this be a good or bad idea? For some reason, I can't find any color options on their website when it comes to transparent/translucent resin
Great review thanks for sharing.
Your welcome 👍😁
This printer is just like normal paper printers the mfg makes its profit from the ink, here it’s the resin.
Has anyone tried Elegoo Grey ABS-Like or Vulcan resin on this printer? Mine came with one bottle of PAP10 and I am afraid I am going to run out mid print on some prototypes and it looks like HeyGears is out of stock so I can't even order any of their expensive resin. I don't normally use Elegoo Grey or Vulcan ( had a ton of success with Sirayatech 80% Navy Grey and 20% Tenacious) but figure of all the resins I have hanging around, that might be the closest in terms of properties to PAP10.
Anyone try Siraya Tech on this thing?
Looks like a nice printer but I do dislike manufacturers that try and stop the use of other resins and slicers.
And that's exactly why I wouldn't buy one too - you shouldn't have to trick a printer into thinking its using its own resin - I just wanted to show that it can be bypassed if needed
Is the slicing software good?
It's the best one I've used... Check my review 👍
I would rather use it than Chitubox or Lychee personally.
Hiya, I was really pleased to see this video, now I'm a novice too 3D printing and I'm thinking of buying this Heygears UltraCraft Reflex 3D Printer because I'd like to print some 1:76 / 00 scale model buses which are obviously different to miniatures. As Heygears are trying to tie you in to using their proprietary resin so I'd like to know from your point of view which resin did you find to be similar in its properties to the Heygears UltraPrint-Production PAP10 Precise Detail Resin If this was the resin you used? as I was thinking of using this to start with as it's free because obviously if I buy this machine I won't be using their resin! I'll be using a much cheaper one and just pour it in the same bottle, so I'd be interested to know your thoughts because all these things will help make my decision on whether I will buy this particular machine because everything about it looked really great except for the fact that they're trying to get you to use their resin and you can't dial things in which isn't a problem in my case because being a novice I don't know how to do all of that stuff anyway so for it to be done for me is a bonus?, many thanks my friend, I look forward to hearing from you, Chris.
Look at my latest video on the sunlu ultrasonic ....shows sunlu basic working perfectly for pap10 setting
@@greedy3d480 oh thankyou I didn't know that, I'll watch thanks again
How would accuracy printing with 3rd party resin. Like example cube 20x20x20?
Not tried it But have used it on many 3 day.Printed models and they all joined together seemlessly
@@greedy3d480 asking because all resin printers are not accurate from built plate. Maybe you can make few prints to check this printers accuracy? Really interested in this printer, but all parts what i print are used in mechanical things, so looking for best choice.
I need an Info.
i also have the RS and i install the vat heated but im not using the pusle module.
i try with some 3th brand resin and also with Heygears parp10 orange resin but the supports left a lot fo mark on the model.
The previous resin print Reflex instead works perfeclty with the original resin and didnt left any marks.
Do oyu have also this "issue" with the heygears and not original resin?
no i don't my video soming out soon (this week) will show me using 10 resins with it - stay tuned for that one ..
How do the keys fit? I'm more concerned with precision over just "printing success." Thanks for the video!
I have made numerous models and not had any shrinkage or connection problems
@@greedy3d480 wonderful! Thank you for your quick reply!
Hello how did you find it with there being no air filters?
Didn't really notice a smell... Maybe I'm just used to it but nothing struck me as noticeable
Was just deciding between this and the GK2 from information, Would have loved this one, but no 3rd party resins is a no go, though I do not use the cheapest and no sunlu, but I do want to have the choice of what materials I use for loads of different projects.
If they would just sell an empty bottle and allow you to put in the Resins own attributes, I'd be happy and would have went with them.
I agree with you however, the more i use it the more i like it and now that ive established it works with jamghe and sunlu easily its turned into my goto printer....if im also honest though i wouldn't have paid the money they are asking for it , i really like the slicer and supports ...i like the wireless connectivity ..its quirky though - forever giving errors when i start a new print BUT its usually as theers something like a bit of support floating in the vat ....so i guess its doing its job , im going to do an uopdate on using it in a few months
yeah for me the draw would be the plug and play, I was actually wondering what happens with the floating micro bits of cured resin you will end up with at one point, I will be waiting for your longterm review. But I think the bottle system is something that will come to all printers at some point and most likely with a non-propiretory version of it, I mean with heated beds, self leveling and refilling already, it gets much more into the actual consumer and not enthusiast area with #D printing now, which is a good thing, as longa s we as users do not cater to companies trying to lock off their ecosystems totally, especially regarding consumables like resin. I need Good ABS like water washable resins, I want to dable with wax resins for doing jewalery and rubber like resins for a few other projects. I do neet and want adaptability regarding the materials I want to be able to use, I do not need to want to buy a whole new setup just because I need or want to change materials. . @@greedy3d480
I mean it s*** that it is not officially supported but the same was with Zortrax printers but they opened it up later for external filament. Despite that they want to increase their revenue, they also want to make sure that you always have the same quality.
I just think we need to look at what we do have which is an excellent 3D printer that you can use third party resins in easily yes its geared towards their own proprietary resins it really doesn't detract from the printer because using third party resins is an option.. I also think they will drop the price of their resins to be more competitive
@@greedy3d480 totally agree.
Some suggestions for Heygears if they want to open up the printer: 1) Allow third-party slicers (Chitu, Lychee, Tango, etc) and add API support. 2) In “Blueprint” slicer, add ability for user to add custom resins and make custom resin profiles, and add ability for user to adjust print parameters (exposure times, lift times, etc), even on Heygears resins. 3) Heygears should then sell “empty, blank bottles” that users could fill (and label) with third-party resins. 4) Heygears should have a “manual fill” touchscreen setting that would “close the resin gate” and guide the user for filling the vat, sensing resin level, without certain warning messages that have to be bypassed. 5) Heygears should come out with upgraded printer with 8K, 12K, or 14K screen that has larger build area and 24 micron (or so) pixel size to be competitive with current competition (especially for the high cost of this machine). Any other ideas? Please comment!
Question for you Greedy: I originally thought that Heygears had some sort of “QR code” on each resin bottle, and that once bottle inserted in the machine, the machine could “read” the QR code on the bottle and automatically determine (and select in software) the specific resin bottle that was inserted for use. Apparently not so. The machine can’t auto-detect the resin type and, therefore, you must still manually select the inserted resin “in the slicer program” (and can’t even select the resin on the LCD touch panel). Please confirm the above. Thanks!
No I don't think you're right there is an RF tag in the bottle that tells the printer what is in it I know this because I've told the slicer what I'm using but when I used a different resin ie I put a different bottle in it recognised there was a mistake
Thanks for the clarification / correction. Interesting. Well, each bottle having RFID is a good check to prevent “user error” selecting the wrong resin in the slicer (or is that only a warning showing up on the touchscreen after the sliced file has been sent to the printer? so many questions!). Anyway, having RFIDed bottles would slightly complicate matters if Heygears wanted to open up their printer and sell a “blank bottle” that users could use as a “custom” bottle for third-party resins. If their slicer allowed users to make several “custom” resin profiles, and Heygears sold, let’s say 3 or 5 “blank” bottles, each bottle with a unique RFID identity, then users could have 3 to 5 custom third-party resin bottles.
@@dovmerrill804 I guess the easy option is just pour it in 👍
how much is 1kg of their resin again?
A king's ransom.... Very pricey isn't it 😱
I can't support a printer company that thinks forced proprietary materials
Deciding factor not to buy this model - we have all been burned by ordinary printer ink prices - its like using three hundred year old brandy for ink for the price of it. Cant understand why they decided to go that way in their marketing strategy. Theres no point having a consumer item if you cant afford to use it.
Totally agree
Profit they make more over time on the resin over the printer.
Still think I'll stick with the GK2 and my sunlu resin
I think their goal is to let all beginer using it hasslessly
I get that bit the mass market is not going to be kind to them
@@greedy3d480 when you become pro you go to other brand like Creality and Anycubic then XD, one time purchase , chaching.
I wouldn't be surprised if they close this out in the same way that Epson did when people started refilling their ink cartridges. I won't mention the specifics, you never know who's reading lol 😨
It's one of those 'if you know, you know' things 😜