I just finished chemo. I didnt pray to anyone. I am in remission! How could it be????? Praise science and the amazing medical professionals who helped me.
@@ozskipper I've been living with cancer from since 2001, without any treatment. The only form of treatment I would consider is immunotherapy. But I can't afford it right now. All I did was change my diet (including avoiding meals & and beverages that are his in sugar and sodium), stay active, drink lots of water, and do lots of breathing exercise. I am not a christian. And I do not pray.
So true. I'm in a wheelchair with ten chronic diseases and I have experienced abuse. When I was younger I cried out to Jesus as I was being abused by family members and I never felt as alone as when I got no response
I'm 3 years late here, but I relate to your unanswered cries and I feel compelled to tell you I am so very sorry you experienced such a painful disappointment whilst being abused. I hope you see this and I hope today you are ok.
'2 hands working can do more than a thousand hands clasped in prayer'. What a beautiful quote. When the earthquakes hit Turkey in February, I was furious to hear President Erdogan say it was the Will of God. No, it was backsheesh and building regulations not being observed at all.
My sister died last Friday at age 20 after a year and a half long battle with cancer. It was already stage 4 when it was discovered, and so the most doctors were able to do was to delay the progression. My wife and I are the "black sheep atheists" in a Christian family, and so it has been even harder on us having to not only watch a beautiful young girl with limitless potential wither away and die, but also to endure the ceaseless praise of God for "the gift of suffering", for the miracle healing (that didn't happen), and then most recently, the post hoc miracle of her being "rescued from pain" by death. I just wanted to personally thank you, Seth, this video was exactly the light-hearted discussion of the topic I needed. I've been a big fan of your videos for a long time, but between the discussion topic and the coincidentally apt time of release, this one is especially meaningful. If I were a more superstitious sort, I might be prone to suspect it was meant to be :P Thanks again.
So instead of recognizing that this life is only a blink of an eye compared to eternity with God, you choose to mock Him and celebrate an atheist worldview that would argue that your brother's life had NO MEANING?!? Yea that's foolishness. Under Darwinian evolution, cancer is just another natural mutation and your sister was weak due from being unable to adapt to change. Therefore it's better she didn't get to live and pass on his weak genes to the next generation because he wasn't more fit than other people and was a burden to the State and society. THAT is the actual atheist materialist worldview! So sick and tired of atheists STEALING from the Christian worldview, arguing from objective Truth and Morality for a worldview that rejects both. The fact is, God doesn't have to SAVE ANYONE!!! God is Holy, man is fallen and totally depraved. God made creation Good, man disobeyed Him and screwed everything up so if anything, blame MAN. That's like a thief trying to blame a judge for him being in jail and for all the trouble in his life he got into by stealing.
+Akihito007 you clearly did not read what she had to say. You also clearly have no inner ear, seeing as though you clearly didn't listen to the video. Do you really think that evangelizing one who is grieving will get your ancient misogynistic world view across? If you have such a problem with her not agreeing with you, along with Seth, then why are you watching this?
***** Hmm cursing and cherry picking to hide your total depravity and wickedness, yep like God owes you anything. For all their proclamations of being smart, atheists sure do have a an extremely limited reading comprehension and grasp of exegesis.
My favorite quote for god: "God is just a mean kid with a magnifying glass. And I'm the ant. He could fix my life in five minutes if He wanted to, but he'd rather burn off my feelers and watch me squirm."
The Lord Christ has well warned: "Unless you repent ( change your mind for the better and heartily amend your ways, with abhorrence of your past sins), you will all likewise perish and be lost eternally." Luke 13:5 (AMP. BIBLE)
@The Mask Yet most importantly of all.....what does the Lord Christ say? "Depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be **weeping and gnashing of teeth**, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you **yourselves thrust** out" Luke 13:27-28 (KJV)
@The Mask What does the Scripture declare? "10 He also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is prepared unmixed in the cup of his anger; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: ..................................................11 and the smoke of their torment goeth up for ever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, they that worship the beast and his image, and whoso receiveth the mark of his name................................................. 12 Here is the patience of the saints, they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." Revelation14:10-12 (ASV)
This is why after being in a coma for 6 weeks, I went back to the ICU a year later after learning how to walk all over again to thank the doctors, therapists, and technicians for keeping me alive and bringing me out of the coma and giving them credit to all they do and sacrificed to learn their disciplines and professions. It was an emotional moment and they greatly appreciated me touching base with them after all that time.
My uncle had a similar experience to his and the hospital staff were floored when he returned to thank them for their care on his behalf. It seems that no-one had ever done such a thing in living memory...which is stunning, considering this was my country's biggest hospital.
And yet Thom, the deluded instead credit the nonexistent for such things. Idiocy clearly brings out fallacies when it comes to Christians. But aside from that, it's good to know that you're stable once more.
Thom Grogan Thank you for doing that. I’ve worked in the medical field for years and have seen hundreds of trauma alerts flown in by helicopter. The pilot expertly gets them to the hospital, the trauma Dr.’s, RN’s, radiologists, RT’s, ARNP’s, PA’s, lab personnel, etc. take it from there. Most patients go to surgery then ICU where they are cared for by skilled staff for days, weeks, months and even years. Of those with a good outcome, god is given “all the glory”. For those that have an “ok” outcome, god is thanked for sparing their life. For those who don’t make it, “god needed another angel”. As I watch everyone involved put everything they’ve got into these patients care, getting not even a nod in their direction, it’s all I can do to not scream out, “You idiots! No god or gods did this! The ones who did are standing right in front of you for fucks sake!” So, thank you. You have no idea how much that REALLY meant to them.
Lori W As someone on the patient side of things I can say not all of us can find the people who saved us to say thank you after we've come to. Often we don't know who did it because we were out of our minds and busy trying to not die. But, I'll say thank you to you because you've done many amazing things to save people. I've been saved by docs and nurses but I don't know which ones. Also been saved by medicines and techniques invented by people who died before I was born. It's not wrong of me to say thank you to you because it's all linked - all the healthcare and science that led to me not popping my clogs too early. I'm certain there are people who would thank you that you've saved if they knew where to find you. There must be. There are plenty of docs and nurses I would thank if I knew where to find them. :)
My aunt passed away from terminal brain cancer just three years after giving birth to her son. She was only 32 years old, and she was a devout believer. If God exists, He is a monster - not worthy of love, let alone worship.
Cloe: God is not a monster. Sometimes it is difficult to understand the timing of someone's death, but God is perfect and does everything with love and a plan for each of us. Don't criticize because you don't know the big picture. God loves you.
@@ageorgiapeach9442 What an awful narcissist you are, making light of someone's death all for your own selfish gain (i.e. exploiting it to show that your "god" is somehow "perfect" to make YOU FEEL GOOD). And your claim that the person you're responding to who has suffered the loss "doesn't know the big picture" is sheer arrogance and condescension on your part. By the way, when you tell somebody that "they don't know the big picture", YOU have to KNOW the "big picture" in order to make that claim/accusation. You are so superior in your knowledge, apparently. IOW: you are full of yourself; you are an arrogant, condescending, narcissist. I am sure it is all under the guise of "Christian humility" though, right? Right up there with "Christian love."
As House MD wisely said: 'You can believe in angels and the afterlife all you want. But when it comes to this life, don't pretend. Because when you cross the road I know you look both ways." Thanks for posting this.
I had a motorcycle accident years ago. At the hospital they tried to save my leg for about a week. One of my church pastors came to visit me and told me that “God had revealed to him in a dream, that I was not going to lose my leg”. Three days later they had to amputate my leg. One of the multiple reasons I’m an atheist now.
a fuckin failure of a god if ever he is real... not only did you lose your leg, you lost your faith too. same with me, but with my grandma. whole family was encouraged by priest to pray for my grandma's sickness to recover... in a span of 2 weeks it got worse and viola! cardiac arrest! boom! dead! good job, god.
I just offered this up to another atheist with stage 4 cancer in lieu of a prayer. He's fed up and furious with well meaning believers offering up prayers. Thanks, Seth.
If there is no god, cancer just appears without any god nonsense. But Christians don't understand that if their god exists then f course, he is the twat that allowed cancer to appear, as he needs prayers. Attention-seeking psychopath.
@@richardwilliams473 The placebo effect so powerful they have to guard against it with double blind studies because faith and wishful thinking is so powerful it alters test results.
Seth ended that beautifully. And to have confidently further solidify what _still_ hasn't happened since seven years ago. He knew even then it'd only be all the more people lying to themselves unfortunately.
When I was a young girl, I overheard my mother on the phone with a woman from church-"..no, she's(a woman from church) not going to have chemo, since Brother Preacher prophesied over her that she is going to be healed.." The church lady they were talking about, the one who refused treatment because a 'man of God' told her she would be healed, I watched my mother pray fervently in Jesus Name and claim healing for that woman- but she died eight weeks later. I'll never forget that. So sad and infuriating.
Amanda Burnt - You cant even write in your native language ya idiot. Youre making a fool out of yourself in front of the entire world. If you believe Robin's 'story' youre as gullible and dumb as ya look. My advice to you is to lock yourself inside and never leave. Youll only hurt yourself and others. Oh and disconnect your internet. That way you can curb your uncontrollable urge to embarrass yourself from sea to shining sea in literally micro-seconds. Sir Isaac Newton was a Christian. The doctor who invented the MRI machine was a Christian. The person who developed the first antibiotics was a Christian. Ant-septic surgery was created by a Christian. Calculus was invented by a Christian. The ONLY person who looks stupid here is you and that liar up there making up stories. Idiots. Useless idiots. Stay out of the way of society. Please. You can at least do that for your fellow mankind.
im using my phone u dumb ass and it auto corrected it to metal but i fixed it lol to be honest there are real gods out there but Jesus isn't one of them dont get triggered all Abrahamic religions are false
it doesn't make sense to a idiot like u there since you believe in a false god i said all Abrahamic religions are false not all religions i know the true gods are out there i may not know their names or how they look but they are real i have faith in that ..as for your fake Jesus he is nothing more then a fairytale created to oppress the masses
I have a Mensa IQ score of 146. Thats two points higher than Einstein. IM a god compared to YOU. "i know the true gods are out there i may not know their names or how they look but they are real i have faith in that ..as for your fake Jesus he is nothing more then a fairytale created to oppress the masses" YOU 'KNOW' THE TRUE GODS ARE OUT THERE HUH? LoL? SO YOURE A FLAKE. JESUS WAS A FAIRYTALE CREATED TO OPPRESS THE MASSES? IS THAT WHAT YOUR HACK HUMANITIES PROFESSOR TOLD YOU? EXPLAIN TO ME HOW a FAIRYTALE COULD HAVE MADE IT INTO 23 EXTRA-BIBLICAL HISTORICAL ACCOUNTS? EX. TACITUS, THALLUS, ORIGIN, PHLEGEN, JULIUS AFRICANUS, etc? HOW'd THAT HAPPEN EXACTLY? THATS EXACTLY MORE FANTASTIC THAN YOUR GODS YOU HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE EXIST OTHER THAN THE FACT YOUR IGNORANCE ALLOWS YOU TO MAKE UP YOUR OWN RULES WITHOUT THEIR PESKY INTERFERENCE ;) - IT ASTONISHES ME THERE ARE PEOPLE AS STUPID AS YOU LIVING ON THE SAME PLANET WITH ME. YOU SHOULD BE WIPING MY FLOORS.
Ya the deception is that prayer is god's way of curing things but the truth is he gave it to us through the earth (not "human healers") check this out and see how this lady beat breast cancer no chemo no radiation! th-cam.com/video/vTYYuCtf4C8/w-d-xo.html
My dad died last month,on the 23rd of March. I credit science with keeping him alive,the oncology doctors and nurses that kept him comfortable as he went through hospice.I credit the nurses and doctors that gave him drugs that thousands of scientists studied for years to develop,the animal and human trials that went on before the FDA approved it for safe use. I miss my dad,but seeing what he went through for two years,I would not wish him back.I love you,Daddy! Thanks for the memories,you taught me so much!
@@proud2bpagan Sorry for your loss too. Oh hold on, my bad. I'm an atheist, a godless heathen and of course I don't care or have compassion. . . . so say some of the religitards!
Prayer is what caused my faith to collapse. When I was down on my knees praying for a family member who has cancer, I said to myself, " You've never answered one of my prayers". And just like that my faith collapsed like a house of cards. God, Jesus, devil, heaven, hell, church, religion, bible, all of it all gone in a moment of realization. After a lifetime of belief, after decades of fervent religion and faith and prayer. It was because I really believed, really had faith, in all of it. All tied together through the Word of God, The Bible, The Church, that it all collapsed. It was all tied together as One. If that wasn't true, then none of it was.
...If that 'quip' was Dark SATIRE, @@alphagamma4582, it was merely a Bad Joke... But if it was SERIOUS & In Earnest, then you are an Awful, Spiteful, Vindictive EXCUSE for a Human Being...but you Would be 'Working Definition' of a "Modern Xtian" who presumes that ALL Victims of Life's Tragedies "Just weren't GOOD Enough Xtians (Like ME !) to Receive #GawdAwMahhty's Protection."
my former lady used to say "Thank you Jesus" all the time and I had to correct her and say "Jesus wasn't here, I found your goddamn keys and my name is Filip"
Jaime Lopez or not? Being ungrateful is a pretty unattractive trait. I don’t care if you believe in sky daddy or not, you should still thank the person who found your keys or did you a favor. Like that’s the literal basics of being polite.
Say to yourself, 'My ideal, my religion, my desire is to please my Lord before whom I bow my head. So when I am before anyone, I am before my Lord, my God. I must take care always to be considerate and thoughtful, lest I hurt my God.' That is the real religion. If you take care not to hurt a loved one, a friend, but do not mind hurting a servant, or wicked or foolish person, that will not be real religion. Love will recognize the ideal of love, the divine ideal, in every heart, and will refrain from using words which will make others unhappy; words expressing pride, thoughtless words, sarcastic words, any word which will disturb a person's peace of mind, or hurt his sensibilities. Good deeds, kindness, forgiveness, tolerance, acts of love, none of these are ever lost, and some day they will return to us. Even if the recipient appears ungrateful or heedless, it is all the same. There is no need to be disappointed even if he proves to be unworthy of our kindness and our love. When we realize that all life is one life, we discover that it is to that life that we give our love and kindness and mercy. Then it is bound to return to us, if not today, perhaps next week. If not next week, perhaps next year. If not here, then somewhere where we never expected it could possibly come. 'Thou shalt find it after many days.' Though there may still be time to awaken to a true understanding of these things, it is often too late by the time that sufferings, troubles, and misery have come to the individual or to the multitude. If someone has so far failed to understand them before they actually came, perhaps he will never understand. When there is some little pain or he feels bad in himself, he may think he has some illness. But if he does not think about it, if he takes no notice of it, something worse may come. And so it has been with the world. The worst evil that has ever been should show man that it is now time to awaken and understand that it is not a study of national or social problems, not a study of religious questions that will bring an everlasting peace; but it is the insight into life which is the real religion and which alone can help man to understand life.
lost my brother at the begining of the year,he had cancer and was getting very weak and ill everyone in my family prayed and prayed,sure didn't help at all and took his own life by his own hands and it really angers me so much when i see this shit on social media thanks love the video
So instead of recognizing that this life is only a blink of an eye compared to eternity with God, you choose to mock Him and celebrate an atheist worldview that would argue that your brother's life had NO MEANING?!? Yea that's foolishness. Under Darwinian evolution, cancer is just another natural mutation and your brother was weak due from being unable to adapt to change. Therefore it's better he didn't get to live and pass on his weak genes to the next generation because he wasn't more fit than other people and was a burden to the State and society. THAT is the actual atheist materialist worldview! So sick and tired of atheists STEALING from the Christian worldview, arguing from objective Truth and Morality for a worldview that rejects both.
my world view is my own i don't go by athiest or christian i follow my own mind and my own heart when i commented about my brother it was just a comment and nothing else you saying that according to this world veiw or that one makes him weak ,sorry for feeding you TROLL but i could really care less what you have to say just giving you what you're hungry for so from now on let me tell you i get along fine with out christians telling me love all mankind all but the one's that we don't like and be two faced mother fuckers as my father said which by the way was a preacher after he left the service after ww2 until 95 there are sons of bitches in the streets and sons of bitches in the church and i would hang out with the ones in the street more so like i said i'm not an atheist nor a christian i'm a take care of my self ist
This is True. We were taught in Church it was a sin to question God.... Well I been waiting 50 for "My Father " to come back. No Jesus or Yahweh.. just the CORONA VIRUS! Wtf? Really...? All the other stuff wasn't enough. I QUESTION EVERYTHING NOW AND LEARNED HOW TO OPEN MY EYES.. Thanks Seth for helping me . 👍
I would love to see him speak live. He has unlocked something in my brain that allows me to think in a reasonable way. I was taught that Atheist were evil and crazy. But after further review, I found that it's not true. Thank you again for the message.
There are evil and Fools. He is just like the preachers he calls con men. Give the people what they want to hear and make money from it. He is making lots of money from fools that believe him.
Plenty of us were just born atheists. I have a hard time truly understanding how people can steadfastly believe in God after a few years of adult life. In my opinion it's just a psychological pathology.
@@brentwalker3300 Humans just need to feel in control. So questions without tangible answers, like "Where do we go when we die?" scare the piss out of us. Much easier to sell a 100% conjured up fairy tale than the harsh truth of "nobody knows". Humans also have an innate desire for justice, so the good=heaven / bad=hell component makes the fairy tale sale pitch even more attractive.
I've been an atheist for years, but when my husband was dying of cancer, I decided to give god a try. I said to god, "if you're real, now would be a good time to show up. Well, my husband died the very next day. Guess god was too busy -- but wouldn't you think he would've taken the opportunity to intervene & welcome back another sinner?
I lost my faith during my divorce. A very trying time at which I did what I felt like was the,right thing, I turned to god for strength. Through prayer and bible study I reached out for God's hand, I sought his wisdom, in the right places. And during my quest to be nearer to him, he was completely silent and indifferent to my heartache. Instead of finding wisdom in his book, I found outrageous claims, stories that defy logic, contradictions, paradoxes, discrepancies and a god who, the more I learned about him, was fucked up. A god who is very much different than his handbook claims he is. 222 I pondered the plausibility of an all powerful immortal being who can simply think "GALAXY" and a galaxy would pop into existence, but he is so caught up in the affairs of pathetic humans (his children that he loves so much,) so needy of our loyalty, our worship, but he gets so distracted when I masturbate that thousands of children starve to death. As one or the comments said, he is no different than an abusive boyfriend. Anyone would advise a woman who chose to stay with her boyfriend for the fear of what he would do if she tried to leave him to get away from the man. . We comdemn a man who is like this. But we worship a god who is the same way. So I lost god attempting to find him. I didn't choose to become agnostic or atheist, I exercised my freewill to remain a believer, to strengthen my belief. And in doing so I discovered god to be absolutely beyond belief. What kind of god would create me, design me to be all the things I am, give me freewill to choose him or not, yet when I make the choice to believe he is so god damn elusive and his book so full of bullshit that I lose faith. I chose him, looked for him in thee proper places. He knows exactly how I think, he sees me reach for him and he ducks undermine table, sabotages my search for him, and I suppose condemns me to hell for being good. Wtf
@Peter D there is no evidence that shows that god helps *anyone* not the 'sinner'/atheist nor the believer so what's the difference which path you chose other than intellectual honesty?
It was during prayer, while praying for a very ill family member, that I lost my faith, when I realized God had never answered a prayer. Prayers made in faith and trust in the promises of Jesus I read in the bible.
''Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you tells him, “Go in peace; stay warm and well fed,” but does not provide for his physical needs, what good is that? 17So too, faith by itself, if it is not complemented by action, is dead" James 2: 15, 16 Hmmm, I wonder if Baba read the book of James, what do you think, Burnett? You know what's the kicker, Burnett? It is the Christian that concerns himself with the poor, the down and out, the outcast, the widow and the orphan, the forgotten prisoner and the sick. Not the atheist. You guys aren't known world wide for your generosity, your compassion or your self sacrifice.
@@okheekim131 'You guys aren't known world wide for your generosity, your compassion or your self sacrifice.' How dare you cast me into some assumed morally devoid state merely based on the lack of belief in your personal god you worthless piece of shit? When an atheist does good, they do so for the mere reason of doing good. When a Christian does good it is with the foundational belief that NOT doing good could have eternal consequences. Sorry to disappoint you but our morals are based on better foundations than yours.
I lost my child to cancer. I can't count the times I've heard that God did heal him just healed him in Heaven. What in the world?!?! It's infuriating. God can heal him just allow him to die first. I'd like the people saying this to volunteer their own kids for such healing. Thank you Seth!! I've listened to this twice. It's exactly what I need to hear.
Sometimes God put's obstacles in our life to test our faith and make us stronger - he does this, because he loves us! You may not believe, but I will still pray for you, because as a follower of Christ I love you even though I don't know you. I'm very sorry about the lost of your child, and I hope that you will have a healthy and prosperous life. Do you want to have a joyful and peaceful life? The only solution is Jesus Christ - I cannot get any simpler than that. I strongly recommend going to your local baptist church and talk to someone about your personal hardships, ask them all the questions you may have about God and just ask someone to pray with you to fix your unbelief. - A person who cares about you
@@jamiekelyuh898 I appreciate your concern and I probably would have thought similarly a few years ago. Please think carefully about what you are saying. You may not realize it, but such things only solidify my decision to stay away from church. You're telling a grieving mother that losing her child is an obstacle God made happen because he loves her. He gave a 4 year old excruciatingly painful brain tumors out of love for his mother. I had something to learn so he gave my 4 year old a year's worth of pain and suffering ending in his death. My earthly parents would never do that. The most hurtful things I have heard since losing him have been from Christians. Would you ask God to kill one of your children in order to make you a more holy person? If you would not ever do that, then don't ask another person to accept such a thing. To be kind and just listen to a hurting person without giving advice is far more powerful than prayer.
@@jamiekelyuh898 This is, frankly, a disgusting thing to say to a grieving parent. If your God's idea of testing a person's faith and strength of character is to force him or her to endure the agonizing and prolonged death of a beloved child, I wouldn't believe in such a being even if he actually existed. Such a being would be cruel, sadistic, manipulative, and abusive.
Fuck, that’s rough! Thanks for being brave enough to share this. I’ve lost family to cancer, and I’ve seen friends lose a child to cancer too. I have kids and I cannot imagine that level of grief. I hope there is a loving community around you, to help you through that unimaginable pain. Peace.
The phrase "God works in mysterious ways" was one of the major problems that drove my eventual shift to atheism. It helped to open my eyes to a lot of things I had accepted on "faith".
If prayer helped we would hardly need hospitals just dedicated prayer teams. These teams would be so motivated by their successes that they would at work day and night.
you do realize that the catholic church, along with so many catholic religious sisters, have historically operated the MAJORITY of hospitals, centers for care etc, throughout the world
@@nacht_owl you do realize that your head is so far in your ass that you responded to someone from over a year ago with a completely irrelevant point?
Again, the Catholic Church, we wouldn’t have the foundation for the medical care we have today without them! Because, as flawed as the church is, objectively they still see the intrinsic value of life. Whoa, pretty dark there, partner. Ya, i guess atheism isn’t so life-giving since you’re PISSED that you’d have to provide medical care for “persons like ME”. Hey, remember I’m gay and trans, so maybe that makes me a little more worthwhile saving to you ;) Don’t worry, if I come across you dying, I won’t begrudge trying to save your life, because I’m a firefighter and that’s what we do. :) Again, in also not a Bible thumper by any means. How DARE you have different views from me, and i still have to provide you with basic human dignity!!!! How EVIL of me!! ;)
@LG sorry I thought your comment was aimed at me lol @Historical, you crazy. Again, yeah, some people sadly think of the purpose of prayer in the entirely wrong way; and you are using THAT one small disordered idea about prayer to mock it, so I suggest you research how prayer is truly meant to be used. For example, as a Catholic, when a family member of friend of mine say, has surgery, I pray for God to use the doctors as His vessel, His instrument, to guide their hands, etc. pretty important today since most secular hospitals in bed with insurance prefer that you be dead!
I've had to endure this sort of talk on social media more and more over the years....This is ONE of the reasons why I am not on Facebook anymore...I live in the Bible belt and I've just had too much of it esp after my husband was diagnosed with cancer and the year after the Flooding in Houston. Not to take away from some of the most amazing folks I met while helping with the clean up efforts ...but I just couldn't take anymore "we'll pray for you and your husband during this difficult time" being the extent of any kind of human connection. Then having the audacity to ask for my husband's help when it was their time in need. Which we gladly gave to family and neighbors that were in need bc it's the right thing to do that will make an actual difference in their lives!
''Which we gladly gave to family and neighbors that were in need bc it's the right thing to do that will make an actual difference in their lives!'' ''Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you tells him, “Go in peace; stay warm and well fed,” but does not provide for his physical needs, what good is that? 17So too, faith by itself, if it is not complemented by action, is dead" James 2: 15, 16. Sorry you met some pretty poor examples of Christianity. You know what's the kicker, Stephanie? In spite of all this baloney about the atheist being the really caring one, it is the Christian that concerns himself with the poor, the down and out, the outcast, the widow and the orphan, the forgotten prisoner and the sick. Not the atheist. You guys aren't known for your generosity, your compassion or your self sacrifice.
ok hee Kim Religion is a poor predictor of generosity. www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0362331914000202 At best, religious organizations have the infrastructure necessary to perform significant amounts of charity work, in which case it's the infrastructure leading to more charity work, not the religion. "pretty poor examples of Christianity." No True Scotsman. The best part about comments like those is that your organization can be as cruel, lazy, vicious, etc. as long as your guiding principles sound nice. Also, I'm sorry you met some pretty poor examples of atheism. See, I can do it too! "You guys aren't known for your generosity, your compassion or your self-sacrifice." Thanks to Christians like you spreading propaganda like this, the fact that we don't brag about it like you guys do, and the fact that there are fewer of us. If I were to list charitable atheists, you'd say that they are outliers and I'm just bringing up anecdotes, not data. In which case, look at the study linked.
@@okheekim131 : Perhaps we are knot known for how much we help others, because we do not go around advertising how much we do to try to look good to others. Christians are constantly exaggerating what they do to appear better than others.
@@clay8546 I was replying to @stephenland9361's comment. I don't understand what you are referring to. I was agreeing with the doctor's comment in the joke. I thought it was right on the mark. I was not referring to @blackstaroblivion2361's comment, if that's what you were thinking.
@@bobtimster62 that’s literally what I was talking about If you are a doctor, you should not care wether your patient thanks you or God, let them do whatever makes them happy. You should care that you help a human, not that they thank you
So glad someone is finally saying this publicly, and eloquently. I'm so tired of my FB feed being filled w/ "Pray for...", "My thoughts and prayers...", "Send prayers!" As if to say god has a weighting system for prayers. The more we get, the better the chance he will work in mysterious ways!
I actually USED TO BELIEVE THIS STUFF....HEART AND SOUL. Now even saying that is funny..soul? Doesn't that come from religion too ? I would preach to others cause I was born into a cult called Jehovah's witnesses, being abused mentally, physically, and emotionally . But hey . My parents knew what was right...right? NO this shit is getting as Old as the dirt. Jesus has not come when called, it's makes me wanna cry. I wasted so many years believing
Imaginary bullshit is only good for entertainment.
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You are an idiot troll. You have nothing, so simply saying I said something moronic shows you to be the moron unless you can back it up, which you can't. I'd be embarrassed to be you for sure.
+Rob T 'Imaginary bullshit, like the universe creating itself, and we are all sitting here discussing this out of coincidence.' Who stated that the universe created itself from nothing?! NOBODY but creationists seem to actually make this demand. All evidence points to a time when the universe was once much smaller than it is now and physics allows us to explore this mathematically right down to the tiniest fraction of a second. All known physics prior to this point breaks down and this is why no self respecting physicist ever claims that the universe came from nothing. Nobody has mathematics that reaches t=0 so nobody should claim to know the origins of the universe or anything any earlier than the mathematics allow us to claim as knowledge. To claim the universe came from nothing is either disingenuous or uneducated. This is not the claim of science whatsoever. Ultimately it would seem that you are from the god corner so lets hear your explanation of the origins of your deity? Where did this omnipotent, omniscient being actually come from?!! You see it matters not how much you object to atheism, facts are things that we can test. It never ceases to amuse me how theists demand the existence of a creator but mindlessly just accept such an omnipotent being merely happening to exist and how do you defend this position? You merely slap a label on it that 'god just IS' and that he 'exists outside of space and time'! All points you have no way of verifying or justifying. Face it, nobody is any worse off just stating that the universe sprang into being by magic! This in fact is exactly what you demand too! That your god is able to make matter from absolutely nothing. It is the demand of the theist that god makes things from nothing. Science DOES NOT claim that the universe came from nothing, merely that to the best of our knowledge came from an extremely dense singularity. This is where the maths leads and NO FURTHER. To claim knowledge of anything prior to this point is dishonest.
+Rob T 'How in the hell am I going to explain where God comes from? Stop and think about how nonsense that question is.' No, YOU stop and think how nonsense YOUR entire argument is! Your entire premise is based on the notion that something cannot come from nothing therefore . . . . . GOD! Don't you even marginally grasp the double standard YOU so easily and thoughtlessly create here? Why don't YOU try and explain why the question 'where did god come from?' is any different or unreasonable than the question 'where did the universe come from?' because as far as I can tell, neither question is any less fair! 'ATHEISTS which mos scientists are, claim the universe created itself from nothing, that there was no God involved.' NO, THEY DON'T!!!!! 'You did a lot of typing to get nowhere.' Yes, again I find myself in the empty void of the creationists mind. I don't know how many times I have to point out that *SCIENTISTS DO NOT CLAIM THAT THE UNIVERSE CAME FROM NOTHING!!!!* Creationists seem unable to grasp how very wrong they are to make this claim in the first instance. Scientists claim that the universe began as an extremely dense point known as the singularity. All evidence points to this being the case and it was in fact this apparent origin that led scientists to hypothesise about the CMB (cosmic microwave background radiation) which was later discovered and thus added verification to the scientific method which had first led to the conclusion of the universes origin. Once again, allow me to be abundantly clear on this point: *SCIENTISTS DO NOT CLAIM THAT THE UNIVERSE CAME FROM NOTHING!!!!* Now lets move back to the god hypothesis and see just how silly this conclusion actually is. I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that you believe that the universe must have once been nothing whatsoever rather than having always been? I'll work on this assumption since you guys seem obsessed with this notion of nothing being the beginning and some form of supernatural MAGIC being used to then create all matter. You see I find this demand particularly annoying. You are so hung up and assertive that there must have once been nothing that you demand this is the case. . . . . except for GOD! Oh no, god gets his own special place! Matter is not allowed to exist without a prime mover to make it exist but that prime mover is allowed quite mindlessly to just BE! What is your issue with matter existing IN THE BEGINNING (or more technically, energy but I'll not go too deep into that!)? How can you object so harshly and yet wilfully and ignorantly claim the existence of a god for which you have no explanation? You are merely trying to explain the origin of something that we don't have an explanation for by demanding the existence of something you also cannot explain! But lets just investigate this a little further. . . Not only do you demand the existence of this god you have no evidence for and think requires NO explanation but then further that this god has the power to make something from NOTHING! What you are actually invoking is nothing more than MAGIC! Your attempt to explain the existence of something requires a BELIEF that a being of sorts just happens to exist in the beginning without any requirement for being created AND that this being has the power to create matter from nothing! This is even MORE absurd than claiming that matter just sprung into existence by magic itself! Even with a pretend god, you still have to pretend to know that this deity is able to make matter without ANY starting materials whatsoever! All you've done is created an impossible situation where god exists AND that this god then creates things with no raw materials. This is a more absurd claim than demanding that matter comes into existence by sheer magic. Regardless of these points, *SCIENTISTS DO NOT CLAIM THAT THE UNIVERSE CAME FROM NOTHING!!!!* This simple point is one you should try to grasp or if you feel that I am wrong then show me where scientists are making this absolute claim because I'm telling you this is NOT the case.
+Rob T Just like so many of your 'kind' you only come to piss and moan about Darwinian evolution whilst actively seeking out videos like this that don't agree with your god conclusion you mindlessly form without evidence. I've met some piss weak creatards before but at least most have an attempt at debating the points raised. You on the other hand are what we know as an invertebrate. You come merely to scream your anger at anyone who don't buy into your brainwashed god stories but don't have a clue how to defend them! As Gommerman stated quite nicely: '+Rob T Please educate yourself before saying moronic stuff like that. That is seriously embarrassing.' Cretin.
If a theist has cancer, prays, and has a recovery - "It's a miracle!" If an atheist prays to the "flying spaghetti monster" and has a recovery then... not a miracle? hmmm.... I think im sensing a double standard here...
Say it loud and proud, 'your god claims did not persuade me, there is no evidence, leave me out of it'. Not sure why the word 'atheist' is even necessary. All human advancement has come from people who demanded evidence to assess claims, but supernatural claims are untestable and unfalsifiable and only hold us back.
I remember when I was kid my mother always told me pray to God he will help you I was sexually abused by teacher many many years and I will pray to God to stop it it went on for years prayer doesn't work I would like to thank my therapist Amy and my doctor Vanessa help me a lot for many years
I keep wondering why god is not doing more for all those children at St. Jude who have cancer. What lesson is he trying to teach them? How is having cancer bringing them closer to him? For god to be glorified in this he would have to be doing something, but he does nothing. Every day I drive by a church sign on my routes and it reads "my god can do anything." I keep wondering why he does nothing. Maybe I have not understood yet that god works in mysterious ways.
@@lahaina4791 'The penalty for sin is death and disease. God kept his promise of punishment for violating his laws.' Babies are born with cancer sometimes! These babies don't even understand how to utter a single word let alone the concept of right from wrong. How is it they are tormented and left to die before they can grasp what sin is? How come god said the son shall not suffer for the sins of the father (Ezekiel 18:20) and yet original sin is based on the entirely opposite concept! Awkward. . . . 'Jesus sin atoning sacrifice and obedience to him as lord is our hope.' Don't be silly! Jesus IS god, sent to earth in human form. So he needed to send himself down to earth for a small selection of the population (tiny selection) to murder him in order to be able to forgive us for doing bad things? Do you ever wonder why people laugh at Christians?! 'God has promised a cleansed Earth soon with no more death and disease.' Soon, what a wonderful word. You can delay proving anything with the word soon! LMAO
@@lahaina4791 '@Glenn Carr ....Death and suffering, often including agonizing pain is hard for the mind to process.' Not when you grasp why we mourn and why we feel pain. Nothing more than mental attachments to those we care for and pain a largely unnecessary thing that has helped us to survive through generations and thus endure to this day. Pain hits people who KNOW they have a damaged nerve for example but they can't turn it off. They suffer unnecessarily even though they can understand the cause of the pain and take steps to protect themselves from damage. Pain is an evolved trait that forces us to protect damage to our bodies and thus increases recovery. Why couldn't a sky daddy merely make us like computers that KNOW when something is wrong WITHOUT pain? Makes no sense since we can do this as humans. Watch as your engine management light comes on through simple human ingenuity and yet the car feels no pain. Especially chronic pain that causes people to commit suicide at times! Is god crap at making computers? Evidently so since the all future seeing god never so much as mentions a microprocessor in the bible! Its almost as though it was written by people who had NO IDEA of modern science. Sometimes the simplest answer is the correct one. ' In my family of six kids, three died before the age of thirty. ' I genuinely feel for your loss. It must have been an awful thing to endure. 'Yet I don't blame God.' Nor should you, there is no evidence that one exists. Yet if there were then you should be angry at the scumbag for not dong everything he could to save them. Would you choose to not help others that were dying as a human? I know I would! Nothing excuses a real caring gods inactions. . . 'Jesus is not God, he is God's son the firstborn of creation.' Nobody seems to actually know since most people claim that he is the FATHER, SON and the HOLY GHOST! Why can't you believers even agree on a common theme here? So screwed up. 'He had to be fully human and no more or less to provide the ransom.' Ransom? What ransom are you talking about?!! The story is that Jesus died for our sins, well, at least that's the claim the vast majority of you make. 'We are not paying for the sins of our father Adam.' Christopher, my dad's called Chris.. . . . ' At the moment of sin he became genetically faulty and simply passed on flawed traits based on the laws of heredity.' Right, I get it now. So then god failed when he said that the son shall not suffer for the sins of the father in Ezekiel 18:20. God is omnipotent and could correct the DNA damage with the mere passage of a thought. Lets face it, this all had to propagate from Adams kids (at least if you were right) so sky daddy only needed to correct their minor mutations in order to ensure he kept his word in Ezekiel 18:20 right? You seem like a nice guy and I quickly lose patience with empty comments. Your loss is truly awful and tragic. It's not the fault of any god but a mere result of reality. It is sad but we all love and lose. I really do feel for your loss though. I can't begin to imagine how awful that must be and I didn't even have any kids. God clearly stated (if you believe the book) that the son shall not suffer for the sins of the father. God clearly failed (if there were such a thing) 'If Adam had children before his sin they would have remained perfect, passing on perfect life to their offspring. ' Irrelevant. God still failed to ensure that his claim in Ezekiel 18:20 was upheld. The omniscient omnipotent being is clearly a liar. The fact he is omnipotent and still allowed this (claimed) genetic fault to be passed to every human ensured that he failed EVERY human in his claim following Adsy and Evie! 'Time is needed to show conclusively that violation of God's laws brings only bad, to provide a ransom that was prophesied far in advance, and to prove that man would not be like God after eating the fruit, being able to choose for themselves what is right and wrong without harmful repercussions.' Apparently time is needed in order to continue to disprove more and more biblical claims since there are a great number of people still gullible enough to buy into this horseshit. You really do come across as a well meaning guy and I can't express my sorrow at your personal loss. It must be horrible to live with. I hope you can study the other side of the bible and learn that you have been duped. I have loved and lost and I will lose again and again (probably) before eventually succumbing to the rigors of biological aging. I could tell you a hundred or more facts that show the bible is nothing more than a work of man but if I'm honest I don't want to. If you insist to continue then I will present my case but I feel you take a level of comfort from the bible and the ideas it portrays. your losses are extreme and I have no inclination to add to your suffering. I wish you all the best.
@@lahaina4791 All the best Dave and I'm sorry for your loss. We sometimes forget just how lucky we are as individuals. I guess there will always be those out there that are worse off than us individually. Regards
I cant believe that in 2016 some people still think that an invisible sky person is allowing pain and suffering to millions of good people all because of what may or may not have happened thousands of years ago in a imaginary garden with a talking serpent!!! lol
@@ageorgiapeach9442 Nothing in the bible, new or old, has any relevance in current times. Science and our knowledge of reality will continue to expand and fill the gaps your god resides it now. There will be nothing left for you to cling on to other than fallacies and faith. Learn to think for yourself and stop adhering to an iron-age code of morality that wasn't written for you. Open your eyes and ask questions. You're better than your religion.
@@ragnarokda206 The Holy Bible was written for every human on this planet, all of God's children, yesterday, today and always. He also gave us His special gift, which is Jesus, who died on the cross to pay for our sins, so we could be cleansed to enter Heaven. You cannot earn your way into Heaven with good deeds and no faith. You must believe in Jesus Christ as His son, and God as our Creator. I wouldn't want to live in this world if I couldn't depend on God to help me through my life, He is the best part. Jesus wants you to know his message, but I'm not obliged to "convert" you. I hope you will find Our Savior before you die, as I would hate for your soul to end up in Hell for eternity. If God doesn't know you, Satan claims you. It's up to you. God bless you. Why do you bother to argue with a Christian if you are so set on ignoring God? It's because every soul knows deep inside that God is Very real. That's why.
a georgiapeach STFU with that “everyone knows god” bull crap, you have NO clue how others think, feel or believe. “You must believe in Jesus Christ..and God as his father.” 😂 No. “Why do you bother arguing with a Christian if you’re dead set on ignoring God?” No one is ignoring anything. Not accepting the claim that the Bible is evidence that a god, let alone your particular version of god exists and that your god is the correct one out of the hundreds of denominations that claim the exact same thing, sure.
RaidrWolf Stalin went to school in the seminary. The Russians were told for hundreds of years their leader was divine. China is no where near to being a secular country with a bill of rights or a constitution. So what's your point.
U.S.S.R. may not have been ruled by religion but it was by ideology akin to religion, no different. Stalin destroyed churches till he learned from hitler who used religion to further his agenda. In response stalin rebuilt those churches.
From what I've observed over the years, prayer is really just the religious person's way of saying "Gee, I sure hope God's perfect plan happens to turn out *this* way for me."
Wow you really assume a lot of shit about me but i guess that's how stupid people react to having their fantasy blown up. Please pray that you stop being so fucking stupid. The fucking quote was from Gypsy Rose Lee yet you say I believe in santa Fuck i hate stupid people.
you seem to identify very much with the quote, but than that's your problem if you do. Nice triggering you. Seems to be a lot of fuck in your brain, so let it out as it might get you some relief
Could 'two hands' change my friend, Glen? He is a 12 point felon and, formerly, was said to be the 'meanest person in town.' People would cross the street when they saw him walking toward them. Now, he is one of the nicest people I know. He started a ministry helping ex-cons know Christ. Mike was a habitual criminal who started a riot in San Quentin Prison. His own mother had given up on him. Yet, in an instant, his life was changed by Christ. I become a minister just so I could officiate his wedding. There is a power in prayer; you are greatly mistaken. Are you happy that you or one of your family members has not been mugged or murdered? We see God change lives on a daily basis. One of them might have broken into your house one night. Do you think that telling them they are evolved ocean scum would have the same effect? Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world and the only hope for humanity. I hope you get to know Him!
This video reminds me of one of my favorite cartoons. A surgeon looks across a patient at another member of the team and says, "If this bastard thanks Jesus too, I'm putting the tumors back in!"
@@ageorgiapeach9442 'awful' You mean perfect right? I mean, how obscene that the real heroes here (the surgeons, doctors and nurses) have to listen to the brainwashed thanking god for saving them when they would have died if not for medical intervention. I suppose 'awful' would be right if you are talking about this level of ignorance!
At around 27:20 he pretty much covers what I've always said with his bit about the amputees. People always pray for something that could at least potentially come true. You never see people praying to grow back an arm or to be able to fly or to turn invisible. In some small way I think this shows that they implicitly or in some subliminal way, know that prayer is bogus.
Pain and suffering is an extremely powerful argument against the existence of God. Theist have a difficult time defending it. Either God does not exist or he does and chooses to sit back and watch as the horror continues on daily basis.
''Pain and suffering is an extremely powerful argument against the existence of God.'' Ahh, no, pain and suffering are an extremely powerful argument for the cruelty, selfishness and greed of man. Every time you see somebody suffering, you can be sure some human being made a stupid decision that rippled pain into somebody's life. I'm pretty sure we've all brought pain and suffering into somebody's life while here on earth. But don't you fret none, Sammy. There is a day coming when God will judge the nations and all will be exposed, judged, avenged and paid in full.
@@okheekim131 So God willing made Hitler, and Son of Sam and others KNOWING they would hurt others and this LOVING God placed them in positions of power of other people he willing made and Loved. You are not Logical or COMPASSIONATE if you believe what you stated.
"Everything happens for a reason" and "nothing happens that isn't God's will"...then everything that happens is God's will. Which is rather insane, considering the pain and horror in this world. Look at animals, they have to continually search for food, eating other animals, or they don't survive. It's not a gentle world.
I underwent brain surgery. Every day, three times a day, nurses came to see me. They checked to see if my heartrate was good, if my blood had enough oxygen. They checked to see if I was still me, checked if my brain was working right. They made me get up and walk, supervised me to make sure the guy with a bit of his skull glued back into place didn't fall over and die. Every day, doctors came to follow up, some to give me information about what happened, others to ask where I wanted to go from there, what my options were. Every day, people came along with little carts and picked up trash, washed the floors, disinfected surfaces, so that diseases couldn't spread and kill people, like me, who had a flap of skin sewn back on. When I was in pain, I was given medication (and, surprisingly, *brain surgery* causes very little pain, go figure). In case the surgery did some unexpected damage, I was given anti-convulsion medication, so I wouldn't hurt myself. Someone, somewhere, is cleaning out the giant metal drum where the powders and liquids for all those meds are being mixed, someone is carefully measuring and mixing those components, someone is checking the quality so that I don't die when I take a pill from contamination. Every day, I had three meals delivered. Bland, but good quality, and I could request a snack at any time of day, and I could ask to see the nutritionist and say "I don't like cheese" and my meals would be personalized to not have any cheese, just like everybody else's personalized meals, out of hundreds of patients, three times a day, every day. One of the most prominent rooms in one of the most commonly traveled hallways on the ground floor was the "spiritual services" chapel. There was never anybody in there. No parasitical scumbag came to bother me in my room with empty words demanding my eternal servitude, and if one such "priest" had come to visit me he would've left the room running with piss running down his pant leg out of the talking-to he would've gotten from the guy with a hole in his skull. I suspect I know *EXACTLY* why no scumbag parasite came by our floor. It doesn't pay to advertise for the guy you claim invented cancer *on the cancer patient floor of the hospital.* None of the nurses, doctors, cleaners, cooks, or plethora of other personnel that I can't even name (like the social worker who helped me write my last will and testament just in case the surgery went bad, because yeah, that service was provided too) asked anything of me but to get better. I'm Canadian. It didn't even cost me a dime. My monthly pills cost me 20-25$ a month. I've had two MRIs and am waiting for a third, a PET scan, other scans I can't even label or recognize. I've had my skull cut open and then put back together. I have stitches in the back of my scalp. I have a custom-made plastic facemask that was used to hold my head still as an expensive machine shot radiation directly into what was left of the tumor after the surgery, which I've kept as compensation (the mask, not the machine) for the hair I'm missing that will never grow back. The most the hospital asked of me was my hospital card. Oh, and a bunch of my blood. Which was the worst part for me, because I don't handle blood and veins very well. Brain surgery, no problem. Blood sample? Panic attack. We've all got _something..._ At no point in any of this did any deity send an agent to extort me for "services rendered". At no point did any divine spin doctor come and explain why I _had_ to be born with a couple mutations that meant I would 100% get cancer in my 30s, why it was vital for the sake of the universe that I be inconvenienced by having a bit of my dead brain scooped out and be left partially blind for good measure. At no point did any angel come and mention as I was suffering and dying for two years that the pain in my side was the colon cancer growing a tumor the size of a tennisball, or that the cancer would come back and metastasize and go to my brain a year and a half later. Why? Because God isn't real. None of them are. I'm not "angry at God" for "doing this to me" any more than I'm angry at Voldemort for killing my house elf, because house elves don't exist and neither does Voldemort. I don't blame God, any god, for what happened to me. It's a simple consequence of genetics. I live in Canada so, overall, these experiences have been pretty painless. I'm not in debt for life, I don't have to stress out about back payments, I might not even be on the anti-epilepsy meds for much longer, which would be nice, not that 25$ a month is a huge expense. You don't curse the Rain Spirit when it rains. It might be inconvenient for you for it to rain _today of all days_ but there's no Rain Spirit to blame and it isn't meant to punish _you,_ it's just a quirk of the water cycle. Likewise, you don't curse God for creating cancer. Cancer's a terrible thing and I've been luckier than I really should have been with how survivable my two brushes with the big C have been, but there's no God to blame for it and it isn't meant to punish or extort or scare me into compliance. It's just a quirk of genetics. But... if God *DID* exist, and all this stuff happened? He'd be History's worst villain. The entirety of fiction would be dedicated to attempting to murder God for his crimes against humanity. Every field of science would try to find some way of poisoning it so we could reclaim our lives. Every scientist in the world would be trying to rescue the souls of the dead, held captive and enslaved in order to stroke God's massive, throbbing... ego for all eternity. If God did exist, he'd be the biggest, most murder-happy, vicious, monstrous, evil piece of shit in the universe. Good for all of us, then, that he's just a primitive myth.
Great comment, Edward! If God did exist, he'd be history's worst villain. Absolutely! All of the people who helped you during your illnesses deserve our love, respect, and admiration. What would we do without beautiful loving, caring, selfless human beings in this world? The glory belongs to them. I wish you comfort, happiness, and peace in your journey back to health.
Thank you for writing a profound comment that by rights should be memorialized for all, if such a thing were possible. I'll share a short but similar story from my childhood. I was raised in a fundamentalist house on a small farm-orchard, whereon we grew most of our food by composting, fertilizing, planting, weeding, propping, thinning, spraying, smudging, harvesting, culling, picking, packing, canning and selling the products of at least 30 different kinds of trees and other plants. We also hunted, fished, raised meat of many kinds. After slaughter, hanging, butchering out, picking, skinning, cutting, smoking and otherwise cooking said meats, we could finally get our meals. Before every meal a formal ritual was observed, without exception...a prayer was said to "our heavenly father", an absent character, who never showed up, thanking him for his bounty. I knew when I was very young something was awfully wrong, and that my parents had some form of insanity.
You guys are going to make me blush. I wasn't going to but I'll edit out the 'Gold' typo to the 'God' it should be in the Voldemort paragraph, if people are going to like the whole thing this much. It's been bothering me anyway. I like Jeanette's story, too. God's even less reliable than a deadbeat dad who leaves while mom's pregnant and doesn't bother to write so little as a single check to help raise you, and then shows up when your first kid's born and expects to re-enter your life, and that's *IF* God existed, which we've pretty much established is nonsense at this point. At least deadbeat parents can be proven to exist by _genetics_ if nothing else, even after they vanish without a trace. You work hard your entire life and not for a single moment is any problem ever fixed for you by the undetectable hand of some imaginary extremely-part-time benefactor, and you're still expected to give away credit for your hard work. That's what I wanted to make clear in the first place. Hundreds of people made my brain tumor go away, from the janitors to the surgeons, from the anesthesiologists to the cooks, from the secretaries to the pharmacists, to the pharmaceutical factory workers to the researchers who invented the products said workers make in the first place, to the chemists who discovered chemistry tracing back hundreds of years. Through all this, those uncountable people saved my life and the life of another uncountable number every day. I'm grateful to them. I can't ever know or remember all of their names, but I'm grateful to *them.* They did something. Day in, day out, they help, they heal, they work. God's just some imaginary evildoer who's still ostensibly "out buying cigarettes" since before humanity was even born.
YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT GOD. AND IF YOU DON'T REACH FOR HIM, YOUR SOUL WILL NOT GO TO HEAVEN. YOUR SOUL DOESN'T DIE. IT LIVES FOREVER IN HEAVEN OR HELL. YOU DECIDE.
If there were some favored group that God was granting favors to as a result of their beliefs and actions, it would be detectable in the statistics. This was especially the topic that haunted me for years as a Christian. It made no sense.
Same, honestly. For the majority of the human population, It seems to be solely based on what book happens to be in the houses. A book. Written by humans. I honestly can't. 😂
This talk resonates with me alot. My mother battled cancered for over 10 years. She still passed away. Nobody had more faith and prayed more then she did. She still lost to the fight against cancer after over a decade. My loved ones still make excuses for prayer. I am looked at as the godless heathen because I eventually left the faith. It is so frustrating.
Watashi wa Javier Betancourt desu he's nice to me maybe he doesn't like you.
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wow, you are an idiot.
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Atheism is the ultimate form of denial. And blatant stupidity. If you think the universe created itself from nothing, then beat yourself with a metal baseball bat, please.
This video is one I can relate to. Several years ago, my youngest daughter was diagnosed with lymphoma. It was stage 4 when discovered. It had traveled to several lymph nodes. The only miracle she needed was an incredible doctor. We had a meeting with the doctor before treatment started. The thing that impressed me most was the doctor's attitude. As we were finishing up, Dr. Ospina leaned forward, put his hand on my daughter's knee as said, "Don't worry, we're going to kick its ass. Never were truer words spoken. After the fourth treatment, no cancer cells could be detected. She continued the treatment to the end. SHe also had a couple of radiation treatments as a precaution. The cancer cure was obtained by a great doctor, excellent treatment, and my daughter's will to live. No gawd thingy required.
I'm happy for your daughter, but who made the doctor, god works in mysterious ways. God is a difficult subject but I assure you there is something else at work which we can't see, I've seen ghost/shadow people on numerous occasions with other witnesses plus many paranormal events from things moving to doors unlocking and opening on their own, we definitely didn't crawl out of the sea from some slime as they tell us, we are definitely created. God bless you and your family.
Deconverted Man Have no faith and don't pray. Satan loves it. Satan doesn't want you to pray to God. Satan knows God answers prayers to all who believe and has Faith in God. Satan wants to kill you and take you to Hell and torment you forever. Satan can put evil thoughts and temptations into our minds. Satan can put evil ideas to say evil things. In the Bible, Jesus cast out 1,000 demons from a man possessed. God created Hell for Satan and his demons. Satan hates everybody and wants to take everyone to Hell and torment them forever. Thousands ARE in Hell already. Thousands more are going. Thousands don't believe in Hell. They will when they get there. Demons are waiting to torment them forever. ALL because they rejected Jesus and are evil. God created Heaven for all of us and wants to take everyone to Heaven. God is LOVE. God Loves you and wants to take you to Heaven. God so loved the world, he gave his only son Jesus to die for our sins that whosoever believes in him will never die but have everlasting life in Heaven. Jesus is the Truth, the life and the way. The ONLY way to Heaven. If you know the Truth, it will set you free from the bondage of Satan. Satan kills steals and destroys. Satan is a Liar and Deceiver. Satan is filthy and nasty. Jesus defeated Satan at the Cross. Repent and receive Jesus as your Savior. Make the right choice. I Did. Don't let Satan control you and take you to Hell and torment you forever. Jesus is Lord whether you believe it or not.
All hate and love comments aside, I'll just say this. Remember to thank a doctor...fireman...policeman?...you know what, thank ANYONE who shows up to help!
U Y I will thank them but I also have to thank jehovah God& jesus christ cause they help me with a cursed that was effecting me no human could have help me with that situation but they did that's why they are my heroes.
Gerard Jones "batshit atheists" You do your loving (read "evil" (chuckle)) cult proud. Prey to get rid of us, lets see if that works. LMAO Addit: "why do people start their day with prayer" Why do many millions of people still smoke, must be good for you right?
I have been around religion and the faithful for thirty plus years. I have never witnessed a Christian being healed and I have not found that the faithful live particularly more chaste lifestyles than the unchurched. Recently, I had a discussion with my extremely religious, rigid elderly mother of mine. I asked her why she disposed of the microwave that I gave her. She told me that a speaker at her church told her that microwaves were unsafe. When I questioned her she told me," you can believe what I want to and you can't convince me otherwise." This thinking has kept her in religion for almost 70 years. She wants to continue in her ignorance.
Jane Dough Microwaves aren't dangerous to you (as long as they are used properly ) and the same with cell phones. The waves emitted by cell phones are too weak to damage you.
@Jane Dough Actually Jane, a church doesn't speak for God, a church is a stepping stone to get past to talk to the Lord yourself. A preacher is like a god in a closet, so she didn't keep what they said in the closet. Sorry, but the preacher wrong about microwaves being unsafe. Now the older ones that were here decades ago were unsafe since those will still work with the door open. So no, you don't get to say that God agreed with someone and not the other, you're haven't asked for the truth from the Lord. A preacher can't tell what they haven't asked for yet.
@Jane Dough You are not correct mam, I'm not sure if you understand this, but we're not talking about taking our own blood at home and heating it in a microwave and consuming that blood. And also, HCFA cited the hospital in June 1991 for not adhering to policies. Blood normally is heated in specialized warming units that flush it through heated tubes. So no, the microwave isn't at fault, the Nurse is at fault for not adhering to policies. newsok.com/article/2364538/tulsa-hospital-fixes-blood-policy-defect So I don't have to tell Mrs Levitt about her being killed off by a ignorant person of medical science who didn't follow policies. Blood is alive vs what we put in the microwave to heat up to eat or drink. And newsok.com/article/2431075/blood-warming-appeal-vowed and this settles her death for $12,500 vs the 30 million they tried for law.justia.com/cases/oklahoma/court-of-appeals-civil/1995/4387.html
A true believer would have faith that God would protect them from the microwave, no?...guess she doesn't have enough faith, doesn't think God is strong enough to protect her from the microwave. 😆
My son has stage four melanoma, our religious republican relatives in the US have put him on their' prayer list' .I think I'd prefer to rely on the treatment to extend his lifespan.
Yup sounds about right. They're all about prayers until it happens to them, then they demand something done because they know prayers are a longer form of doing NOTHING.
I have made the decision to no longer hide the fact I don't believe in god! Thank you for giving me the extra bit of confidence through your videos. I believe the reason I avoided 'coming out' was because I wasn't confident in my argument toward believers but after watching you for the past week I know I have more to say other than ' I just don't believe' I now have plenty of ammo against the bible thumpers I know.
I'm with you on that one. I held back telling my family and people I work with for the past 10 years, and I'm tired of pretending. I know that people will judge me over it and look down on me as a result, but I need to be the person I am, not what others want me to be. It takes great courage to come out as an atheist today, with all the societal pressures and the bullying that religious people do to them.
June: You have been fooled into believing Satan (man) rather than God. God loves you so much and wants you to be in Heaven with Him when you die, but your soul will not be prepared for Heaven unless you know Jesus. Read the New Testament and save your soul.
I live in Alabama, you will not even survive on fb around here. But to ppl close to me, I let them know. I also have a child in school in a very small very religious town, so I don’t want any of my beliefs to hurt him as far as ppl around us. He is 11 and is an atheist too.
Regardless of your beliefs, please don’t thank “god” instead of your medical professionals. Thank sky daddy if you must, but thank the people who have studied for years and dedicate their lives to heal yours.
Yes,its the reality ,why not helicopters were granted to the prophets instead of mules,asses,camels and horses to ride on and missiles etc to fight against the nonbelirvers.
Last year I was diagnosed with a very rare and agressive form of cancer. The first reaction from friends and family was to offer prayers. I refused these offers, preferring medical science instead, and wrote to all and sundry NOT to pray for me. I am now in total remission - in spite of my refusal of prayer. Go figure!
Prays are just false hopes,it work nothing.In our society its said every occurence in ones life is pre destined,man has no control over it ,his foodgrains are limited when it ends he will live no longer.
This was absolutely fantastic! It's everything I have personally been struggling with regarding my own faith, put into words by someone else. It is issues that every person capable of critical thought should be able to think of. But if you do, you will be labeled as not having strong enough faith. You are expected to just swallow the snake oil that is being pushed down your throat without question. I am a doctor myself, and I have never seen any supernatural healing. I have however seen plenty of human suffering. People begging god to intervene. It NEVER happens. What a powerful, almighty god we serve. This talk hits the nail on the head! Goal post shifting. How many times have I seen that first hand in my patients, their families and my own family. The actual patient outcome doesn't matter. Be that complete recovery or death. All praise be to god! I've had it with this shit. Let's use our human intelligence and human hands to relieve human suffering.
Pain has a purpose. It tells us to get our hand off of the flame. Those who ignore pain will live in the 'fire' for eternity. It is not God's fault. You either go with God and go with your pain. The cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, yet Christ is the light of the world.
@@kenshiloh pain from a flame serves a purpose, learning that a flame burns and avoiding it next time...Now kindly explain to me how the pain that a child with bone cancer experiences is supposed to keep him pious and god fearing... Or innocent infants being born with conditions that cause horrible pain and suffering with 0 chance of recovery. Is that supposed to be a teaching moment from the good lord? Or does it teach us that there is no good lord and nature is absolutely brutal and does not care about us.
@@Bellg Yes, it is sad to see the pain or death of a child. Why is there pain? Is the universe like the ultimate practical joker? We all have dreams of what life can be but, ha ha!, you lose! Everything you love and hold dear will be ripped from your clutching fingers at death. Ha ha, you lose! Life is a bitch, then you die? Ha ha!, you lose? I can honestly say that, for decades now, I have not even had one second of doubt that I know Christ and I am bound for heaven. I can also honestly say that, because I know and love God, that every day is like a delicious feast - and I am not even in heaven yet. The world cannot understand that my life is absolutely perfect and that I am perfectly happy. That is because I know Christ. Life's pain - emotional and physical - are swallowed up in my friendship with Christ. Moreover, after horrific abuse by my father, I have an indescribably great relationship with God, my Father. If you go into eternity without solving the problem of pain, you will be in pain forever. Think of a billion, trillion years; that is not even a fraction of eternity! Jesus said, "Be careful how you hear!" Be careful how you hear. Be careful! You can have a pity party or join the party. Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
A topic close to me, my mother struggled with cancer throughout my highschool years until finally succumbing right after my senior year. She accepted death gracefully despite the horrible suffering, and to cope I tried to turn to Christianity. However, I could not ignore the glaring hypocrisies and severe conflict between religion and science. My desperation put a spotlight on Christianity, and I realized religion was utterly false. I feel it helped me grow as a person, and helped me see how valuable human life really is.
My granda thinks god cured her cancer. I get in trouble for saying it was the hospitle the chemo and the doctors working constantly out of one day a week to make sure she got the best treatment it was their hard work that cured her not god you know what her daughter did asked the doctor point blank when she was gonna die then ran off with her boyfriend and made me and my twin go with her but i thankfully was sent to live with my gran and been by her side rver since
JESUS IS REAL IM DYING BECAUSE OF MY SINS … because I am a sinner and I deserve to die and I don’t deserve to go to heaven, but Jesus died for my sins so that I can live for all eternity so I pray that it’s a fast paid painless death
This is my favorite. The second and third are "The Center of All Things" and "The Pale Blue Dot" Thank you Seth for not ignoring me by writing back when I was suffering a PTSD attack. I used your first deconversion videos to start to reconnect my brain's neurological connections caused by a massive spark. I am a humanitarian just like you although we have taken different paths. Thank you for being connected to your humanitarian stories, which are your essence as a sentient entity. You have a good sense of humor. Being a Hollander we heard of lot of "Whoppers" including the Jonah in the Whale fish story. No one "pulls my leg."
One of my favorite quotes: "If the only way the supreme creator of the entire universe can demonstrate his existence to me is to create images of Mary or Jesus on food items, I'm not impressed." I guess I now have to add ultrasound to the list of items.
There was an “image” of Mary somehow on the glass of an office building in FL quite a while back, believers went batshit. Edit: Just before Christmas, on December 17, 1996, a stain was discovered on the glass windows of the Seminole Finance Company in Clearwater, Florida. The stain, which was 60 feet tall and 20 feet wide, evoked the traditional shape of the Virgin Mary. Religious devotees were certain that the image was a miracle, but glass experts weren’t so sure. Corrosion of the metallic coating on the glass - a common process in certain types of glass - was largely suspected to be at fault. There was no explanation for why the stain appeared when it did, though, or why it resembled the Virgin Mary. www.atlasobscura.com/places/clearwater-virgin-mary
@@AC-gb7do - Live 20 miles south and went there multiple times to "confirm the vision". LOL, what believers won't attribute! Mankind can be pretty guillable at times, but it takes something like religion to REALLY separate out those that will fall for anything (looking at you Mormons and Scientologists at the head of the pack with all the christians, muslims and etc. following behind..!).
As a recently deconverted Mormon, and following that a deconverted theist, I have been listening to some of Seth's stuff lately. This one is 7 years old and here I am totally loving it in 2023. This was AWESOME!!! My fully Mormon family still gives god all the glory even after having lost my father and two sisters to cancer. And they were some of the best among us. This one really hit home and summarizes both the case against god and the case for humanity at the same time. Really liked the ending giving the glory to the medical professionals, first responders and other humans. This is brilliant, Seth! Thanks!!
This may come as a surprise, Himi but there are such things as Christian doctors. Tens of thousands of them. The Christian relies on both. Only a few fringe groups prohibit medical help. Luke was a physician. Good grief.
They'd usually much rather kill their own children. When it comes to themselves, suddenly "god helps those who helps themselves by going to the doctor"
Some do. The result is what you'd expect - death and suffering, often of children. And the parents often get off with a slap on the wrist because religious practices get a pass in this country.
Here is one way to make an ATHEIST laugh Knock knock "Who is it?" "It's me, Jesus. Let me in." "Why do you want in?" "I want to save you." "Save me from what?" "From what I'll do to you if you don't let me in.
God gives you a choice, with our free will, to either follow God or Satan. If you choose to ignore God, Satan takes you to Hell, not God. God would rather you be in Heaven with Him, He loves us completely, but you must believe that Jesus died for your sins so you can enter Heaven, or God's house is not an option for your soul's eternal life. Hell is torment 24/7. watch Bill Wiese, 23 minutes in Hell to teach you about Hell.
@krinkov545 The logical position to take is to reject stories of Christ since there is no evidence to demonstrate such an individual was anything real and every reason to reject stories of magic until the point in which we can prove otherwise. Besides, what is with the anti semitic views? Aren't you sheep supposed to love everybody and prey for lost souls? Repent, sinner!
Believe it or not, most people here did, and no one reached back. Because God isn't real. And if you want to call a tingly sensation when doing certain things "God", than me playing Doom and chainsawing demons while listening to death metal is God, and me jacking off is also God.
What kind of example is it to have your one and only son tortured, whipped and nailed to a cross? I wouldn't sacrifice my son for anyone. And could not respect anyone who would.
I have YET to even understand what the hell that was all about!! On one hand I'm told that he was tortured because some king didn't like him, or some such shit. On the other hand, I'm told he died for my sins! WHAT??? How does that even work??? I STILL, after 60 years, have NO clue what that even means!! And I spent the first 4 years of my schooling life in a religious school!! I also went to Sunday school every summer for who know how many years AND, in the early `70's, was in a church youth group for a few years!! I even played Jesus Christ Superstar a number of times when it first came out and STILL don't know what that statement means!
Vicky Esperanza? How does a fictitious character dying 2000 years ago have anything to do with my supposed sins? Also, how can you say he sacrificed himself when it was some other king that decided to torture him to death?
Okay, so, why did he make us that way? All he had to do is intervene or teach us. You don't just spit a unit out of your crotch and push it out the front door to fend for itself! Did he tell you it was unbearable to him? He couldn't have felt THAT badly about it or he would've stepped in LONG before now and DONE SOMETHING about it!! If I was god, my FIRST inclination would NOT have been, "Let's see, humans are evil, so, I'm going to kill my own son! THAT'LL teach them a lesson!!" I can guarantee you, it wouldn't even have been my TWELFTH inclination!!! If he lived a perfect live just to show us how it could be done, why are there STILL, to THIS DAY, thousands of uber-religious gang members readily willing to kill anyone that gets in their way?? Why does the POPE still allow and condone child torture, molestation and murder in the basement of vatican? Are they just more sacrificial lambs? When will you offer yours up to be the next sacrifice? I never bothered to read the bible and I've always been of the understanding that we should love each other and try to help each other! And that's how I live my life!! Really? He died on the cross for our sins? Well, THAT'S the part I don't get. It's just your talking point that you all echo every chance you get, but it doesn't MEAN ANYTHING!! It's just something you're brainwashed to tell everyone!! Jesus died for my sins?? What sins are we talking about? How could him dying 2000 years ago (when he actually never even existed in the first place!) have ANYTHING to do with MY supposed sins? WHO killed animals for their sins and how did that help rid them of sins or whatever the hell it's supposed to do? Oh! God knows all of this prior, hunh? Well, WHY doesn't he do SOMETHING about it, prior??? A bunch of kids were killed in a school a few weeks ago by a nut case with a gun!! If god REALLY knows these things prior, WHY wouldn't he have removed the psycho from the planet before anything happened to those kids??? Or, are they just another sacrifice for someone's sins?? There's ALL KINDS of nasty shit happening to innocent people, but I NEVER see your precious god stepping in to do ANYTHING about it!! That ALONE is proof enough to me that your god does NOT exist!!! Babe, if it takes the spilling of someone else's blood for me to enter his imaginary kingdom, I refuse to go!!! And, if you think that's a GOOD thing, then you're just another sick, twisted, mind-controlled puppy with no will of your own. Just how they want us ALL. Good luck!! You're GONNA need it!!!
When I told my mom god was an abusive partner she said and I quote “that is the doctrine of satan I will not have satan speak in my house in the name of Jesus I cast you out” she literally thought I was possessed
This video came out the year my VERY devout Christian mom died of cancer in a lot of pain. Even though she was one of the kindest people I ever met, do you know what I kept hearing from the people closest to us? "OMG, she allowed a Jahova's Witness into her home to read the bible! She's going to go to hell!" (she said she was sick and tired of the extremism of other believers in the family and just kinda wanted to chill.) and "If she doesn't wear this magic necklace when she dies then she's going to go to hell. Make sure she never takes it off." Even though I've always been agnostic but dropped Christianity early in life, those statements infuriated me to my core. If someone who gave their entire life in the service of others, first as a nurse who saved lives and then as a foster parent who cared for and adopted sick kids like myself so we'd get a chance in life, the idea of her being tortured for eternity for something so small made me really angry at the Christian faith. If SHE could go to hell then we're all screwed. And the fact they could say those things literally days before she died tells me they don't know anything about how their religion works. No one knows what gets a person into heaven even though they supposedly have an entire manual on it. That's a HUGE problem and is rife with psychological abuse.
@@j.oaklley8965 'Man creates cancer' Man does things that increase the RISK of getting cancer. Cancer is a measure of the imperfection in our evolved DNA and how easily it can be mutated to make a cell replicate itself whilst failing to die. But then according to you folk, god made DNA! 'God does not.' Agreed. There is no evidence for god. If there were, we would at least expect to see him exercising some fair play. We surely wouldn't see babies born with the disease because that would prove Ezekiel 18:20 wrong and thus the bible. Man also cures and treats cancer. God does not! 'People die that is part of life!!!' Does god also great parasites, creatures and plants that require damaging or killing another organism in order to survive? Did he create ebola, HIV, malaria, yellow fever etc etc etc? We all die though, you got that part right!
I have a rare, crippling, excruciatingly painful degenerative neurological disorder called CRPS (type II, full body). People often ask me what’s wrong. It makes sense to wonder why a woman my age would be on crutches permanently (I use a chair part time, as well). I’m only 31 and I look all of maybe 25. But when I tell them, the response is almost always, “I’ll pray for you.” Don’t tell me that. I don’t give a rats ass about prayers. What I care about is the extreme lack of research funds for this disease. It was discovered during the American Civil War and we are just now having drug trials for a drug that might work for it. That drug wasn’t invented for this disease- it was invented to treat osteoporosis, a very common symptom of CRPS. In Italy, they noticed the 3 CRPS patients in the drug trials for this new IV infusion osteoporosis drug all experienced massive improvements in pain and functionality. It’s now being trialed in the US for CRPS under Orphan Disease laws. If you really gave a rats ass about me, about anyone suffering with this crazy, horrible disease, you’d donate to research for it. In the US, the national charity is the RSDSA (www.rsdsa.org). Even $5 makes a big difference.
Adrian Brent the point is that most mainstream religious people won’t. Christians are more likely than JWs or Mormons, who are hardcore taught to distrust charities and only give to the church, but if you believe that a god will magically cure people, why donate money? I saw that happen a lot when I was religious, people would use prayer as equivalent to doing something actually helpful like donating food or money or time. And not time like mission trips, because half the time they’re proselytizing and it’s really disgusting to take advantage of people’s situations to convince them to believe something. Specially the way JWs and Mormons do it, where they only render aid to their own followers but proselytize to everyone else, basically training people that they will only help you if you’re a follower and will just leave you behind if you’re not. That’s straight up gang like.
I have that condition in my right foot, have had it for about five years. The only thing that helped with pain was yoga, but I still can't take a single step without pain, and can only wear open-toed shoes. I feel for you! People have no idea how painful this condition is and you have it in your entire body!
Thanks Seth for this very informative lecture. I agree with every word. Been through this many times with family, friends and close partners..and prayer never worked. What helped myself and them were the actions of us humans! Peace, love and light to all❤️🌞
18:49 My uncle was in a fatal car crash at age 21. They managed to resessitate him, but he remained in a coma for three months. My grandmother and mother refused to pull the plug, as they believed (devout Catholics) that God would save him. David came out of his coma three months after the accident with total amnesia and permeant brain damage. He has never recovered any of his memories of his life before the crash, and has gone through a lot of suffering since. He struggles to remember things, and still sometimes misremembered me being in 1st grade. He has become much more temperamental after his "miraculous" recovery, and for the past thirty years has been making a meager salary as a clerk at a JCPENNEY's. He used to be an actual genius. No joke, by textbook definition. He had a whole career ahead of him. If he was in school, he would likely be in heavy special Ed care, and he struggles to get by as an adult because he simply lacks the capability to understand everything that's going on. He has also become a hardcore MAGA supporter, QANONer, and overall crazy conspiracy theorist. He genuinely believes the ancient aliens type shit. My family thanks God for bringing him back from the dead, and they all think it's a miracle. I am the only one to point out that the man who came back is not the same person at all before the crash. My Uncle has been dead for 30+ years, and what's left is a confused man who sadly will be forced to live the rest of his life in a state of confusion and misery. I have no fucking clue why my family not only believes that God did this, but they also think it's a GOOD, WONDERFUL, MIRACULOUS thing. This is actually Monkey's Paw level stuff, "oh sure, you can have your son back, but he'll be forever permanently damaged and not at all the person you knew." This God seems a whole lot more like AM or a psychotic Djinn than the Tri-omni benevolent jinni his followers make him out to be.
@@californiadoll6273 No, he had no pulse and no brain activity, and they used a defibrillator to start his heart again. From there, he went into a coma.
Watch the devil and father amorth trailer You may think you're out of the danger zone but you might not be you might be deeper in the hole. Just picture what exorcist priest see hear, smell, seance, feel, touch. watching this made me feel uneasy I am too careful too cautious I take no chances.
@John Thijm Thijm Type this in in the you tube search box " the devil's bible predicted september 11th over 700 years ago" the video last 9:13 the channel is titled leak project.
This entire presentation is really fantastic, but I think the most powerful part is at 41:36 when Seth concisely shows why any of us are more moral than the biblical God. Really enjoyed watching this, and hope to see many more like it in the future!
Justin: Don't buy into this satanic talk. God loves you and wants you to go to Heaven to be with Him when you die. Your soul does not die. It lives forever and will go to Heaven or Hell. Don't ignore God. Just reach out. You are so lost and you don't even realize it.
The goal post thing is so true. I had a friend at work who we expected to get a promotion, as a division head I was on the board of advisors, and the plan was to take the graphic design department out of the print services division, and make it a division of its own providing web design, packaging design, and graphics arts (all of which they had already successfully dabbled in. This would have made my friend a division head with a raise and bonus plan. He was very devout, and was praying for this. But the decision of the board was turned down by the owner, who decided instead to outsource all of that and shut down the department. Work for graphic artists being hard to find he had to take two jobs and do some freelance commercial art to make about 60% of what he had been. But he was "blessed" because he was able to work a night shift at Walmart, and then work 4 am to 9 am loading trucks for UPS, who gave health benefits, and then he could be at home during the day to do his art, which freed his wife to go back to work, and he could watch the kids. God had his back. Then he got testicular cancer - praise god for getting him the UPS job with the medical insurance! When he finally had to sell his house, praise god because he had a friend (me) who had no kids and a five bedroom house where his family could stay. And when he got too sick (often) to watch the kids, praise god his mother in law lived nearby! When she died 9 months later, she was in a better place, and god was praised because she had left here tiny home to them, so they could move into their own place. God was praised when his cancer went into remission after 2 years. And then, when I happened to find that a friend of mine needed to hire a graphic artist for his web business, and I got him the job (which paid far less than he had made but was 8 to 5 with benefits) god was again praised for knowing that this was the job for his because it was less stressful and gave him more time with the family than he would have had if he had gotten the promotion. In the end, he was awed to see how god had made this amazing plan unfold for him. Never mind the loss of his home and all his savings, and his mother in law, and his illness.
The thing they fail to realize about that phrase is that it comes not from the Bible, but from Benjamin Franklin, who was a deist, and who was pointing out that the only time "God" does anything is when the individual actually does it.
Its odd that " God helps those who help themselves " was an original quote the Deist Benjamin Franklin issued in condemnation of fascile prayer in religion .
My extremely religious Christian friends (who are aware that I don't believe in the Bible) have always listened to my horrendous physical problems which have no known cure that led to having deep emotional and financial problems and they have told me for YEARS now every time they see me: that God has a plan for me, that he loves me, that everything happens in God's time, and they will pray for me. I finally snapped at one of them and said, "I wish he'd fucking get on with this plan of his then, so I don't have to keep suffering while he apparently does NOTHING to help me!" I said to her, "Don't you think if your prayers were going to work, they would have done so by now?" "Why does this God need you and everyone else around me to incessantly beg him to help me?" I instantly felt regret because I knew these things were being said to me with good intentions, but at the same time I felt justified since I had bottled that up for a long time and knew the things she was saying were to comfort her... not me. I always felt like I was the one there to comfort her about my situation when I was the one that was supposed to be getting the comfort. If she wanted to pray for me for the millionth time, she didn't have to burden me with it. If they incessantly bring up their religious beliefs, I'm supposed to be appreciative and let them say it, even if what they say hurts me instead of helps me. If I ask them not to say it since they know I don't believe what they do, I am being a jerk to their feelings. When I want to comfort someone, I tell them I am sorry for their loss or sorry they are experiencing pain or problems. I assess whether there is anything physically, emotionally, or financially I can do immediately for them to lighten their load and I do it ASAP. I ask them if there is anything else I can do. I tell them to let me know if they think of something later and assure them I am not just offering plattitudes and that I REALLY WANT to help, if I can. If there is nothing else I can do, I ask if I can give them a hug or sit and hold their hand. I give them time to greave if they sèem to need it, or try take their mind off it temporarily if it seems like it would help them. If I can think of something funny to say that may help them, I say it before I leave. I try to just let them know I care.
*If I ask them not to say it since they know I don't believe what they do, I am being a jerk to their feelings.* No, you're not. While asking them not to keep repeating those religious platitudes may make them feel embarrassed or even angry, doing so doesn't make you a jerk. If they have any genuine respect for you they will (perhaps eventually) realize that all of you are better off for them having a true understanding of how you feel and what you're going through. And if they fault you or ignore you when you do nothing more than tell them how their actions make you feel, then they're not actually your friends but are only using you to make themselves feel good about doing their Godly duty. And if they keep doing that while not doing anything to help you physically or financially (I don't know if they do or not), then they are most definitely not your friends, nor even good Christians. In such a case I would tell them to go read Jesus's parable of the Good Samaritan (about a man helping someone in physical need despite differences in belief and culture) every day for two weeks before they show up to you again. Good luck to you.
Great talk. and I could sum it up by saying two things: 1. Prayer does have a tangible effect on people, similarly to meditation, but there is nothing supernatural behind it. 2. Give credit where credit is due (and don't be a jerk about it)
When people prey over others particularly their children in preference to getting real treatment only to watch the person being prayed over deteriorate and perhaps even die, what can I say, I'm fine being a jerk about it.
Unlike meditation which is the act of concentrating upon one's inner power, prayer is an act of pure surrender of whatever power you have left into the hands of an imaginary friend (or sky daddy as xians like to refer to), and therefore prayer cannot, under any circumstance, have similar effects to meditation. And if you ever claim to receive answers to your prayers, then who's the jerk?
newmove when I hear of thousands of women abort their own babies, because we've redefined what infanticide is, I'm better than the lowlifes who resort to being jerks about it. I kindly tell them that they are wrong, and there are better paths of redemption to take. But hey, being a jerk is fine, no one can judge you as your sense of right and wrong doesn't really exist.
I find that so disrespectful to give all glory to God when people has worked their asses off! A simple thanks to the people who work hard would be nice! Ugh, these brainwashed people!
I agree completely. Athletes pull that nonsense all the time. They earned everything they have. I understand crediting the parents and coaches and all that because they are real and actually had an influence, but thanking god for your achievements is such a cop out, sometimes people just do it to be PC. It's sickening.
My grandma had lots of health problems and we went to the hospital everyday of the week to see her. She had gotten a lot more better and immediately everyone in my family started talking about how it was all God's work and God's will. I don't believe in God what so ever nor do my sister and that event had strengthen the believe of everyone else around me. I'm just happy for the doctors. But there was no way in hell that a "God" Did anything.
@@wolfenstarnice4821 'My grandma had lots of health problems and we went to the hospital everyday of the week to see her. She had gotten a lot more better and immediately everyone in my family started talking about how it was all God's work and God's will.' If she had passed away they would have been stating that god needed another angel or that she is now in a better place! It's a case of heads I win or tales you lose when it comes to religion unfortunately.
Nacirema It's not about Religion. It's all about a Relationship with Jesus Christ. Satan is evil. God created Hell for Satan and his demons. Satan hates everybody and wants to take everyone to Hell and torment them forever. Satan gives people who are non believers of Jesus cancer and all other diseses. Satan hates you and wants to take you to Hell and torment you forever. Thousands ARE in Hell already. Thousands more are going. Thousands don't believe in Hell. They will when they get there. Demons are waiting to torment them forever. ALL because they rejected Jesus and are evil. God created Heaven for all of us and wants to take everyone to Heaven. God is LOVE. God gives life and more abundantly. God so loved the world, he gave his only son Jesus to die for our sins that whosoever believes in him will never die but have everlasting life in Heaven. Jesus is the Truth, the life and the way. The ONLY way to Heaven. If you know the Truth, it will set you free from the bondage of Satan. Satan kills steals and destroys. Satan is a Liar and Deceiver. Satan is filthy and nasty. Jesus defeated Satan at the Cross. Repent and receive Jesus as your Savior. Make the right choice. I Did. Don't let Satan control you and take you to Hell and torment you forever. Jesus is Lord whether you believe it or not.
I have gone to church since I was probably four years old, became a Christian at around age thirty. Now, after five years of living in Christianity I am very close to becoming an atheist. These have been the most miserable years of my life and I had many days where I wished I was dead because of the way people treated me and all the confusion Christianity has brought to my life. I have always been good and giving to people and lived right, but all I have gotten in return is disappointment from working hard, along with being taken advantage or rejected by people who were the closest to me at certain times of my life. I have many talents, but I am overlooked and forgotten about because I live a life of humility and don't have connections or prestige. This constant pattern of rejection in my life has damaged me and destroyed my self confidence and self esteem. The important things I prayed for and had strong faith in never panned out. I am so tired of the "loopholes" to defend God when nothing makes sense or injustices take place. I am to the point where I believe that sin is nothing more than us acting on our own selfish human nature and survival instincts. I am also intrigued by the fact that many other religious people that aren't Christian are getting comfort and peace of mind from what they believe in. I have felt more comfort lately in knowing that things are what they are, I don't have to play this guessing game of why or what each uncomfortable event in life is designed for or if I am passing a test to learn some spiritual lesson. Also it bothers me that the church is now a place of employment and run like a corrupt government business instead of a place to serve. I guess a big reason I feel this way and see things form a neutral perspective is because I am not a sentimental person, I don't feel the need to place a "God Stamp" on every detail of my life so it will have some sort of extra meaning to me.
Same. Many, many years ago, I went to a Vineyard megachurch. Full of hypocrites, too. I never felt so alone in my entire life. I even became suicidal. I was much, MUCH happier when I left. Also, the further I get from Christianity, the BETTER my life becomes. And NO, I'm NOT an immoral heathen.
The section at 34:15 hit home with me--I've often compared my Mom's devotion to her god to Stockholm syndrome. Because she doesn't even believe that she is one of his chosen people, yet she still worships him because she thinks it's the right way to live. She also told me (and I'm a grown woman nearing 50 years old have lived my life as a non-believer all this time just fine) that she'd have been a more successful parent if I believed in her God. In other words, if she'd been able to brainwash me ("brainwash" being my word of course). I know that being insulted is just my ego, and that the real problem is her seriously sick thinking, but it still hurts me and makes me feel more alone in the world that my own mother is a bit sick in her thinking.
Back in 1985, my mum (just 60) was given three months to live. Her surgeon said to my dad, "There's nothing more I can do. It's in God's hands now." What a callous thing to say.
I just finished chemo. I didnt pray to anyone. I am in remission! How could it be?????
Praise science and the amazing medical professionals who helped me.
It was probably all those other prayers floating around not hitting their intended targets...they've got to land somewhere, right? :)
@@scotte4765 Bahahaha... Maybe my doctors prayed and only gave me Placebo Chemo lol
Science is your own "god". Repent or burn in hell
@@min.dorianpena9085 fuck off moron.
@@ozskipper
I've been living with cancer from since 2001, without any treatment. The only form of treatment I would consider is immunotherapy. But I can't afford it right now. All I did was change my diet (including avoiding meals & and beverages that are his in sugar and sodium), stay active, drink lots of water, and do lots of breathing exercise. I am not a christian. And I do not pray.
So true. I'm in a wheelchair with ten chronic diseases and I have experienced abuse. When I was younger I cried out to Jesus as I was being abused by family members and I never felt as alone as when I got no response
Me too Crystal xx
(been an ex-christian for years now)
I'm 3 years late here, but I relate to your unanswered cries and I feel compelled to tell you I am so very sorry you experienced such a painful disappointment whilst being abused. I hope you see this and I hope today you are ok.
Hot wheels
As he said, people who tell you 'I will pray for you' do not intend to do anything to help you. Like help you find a job...
'2 hands working can do more than a thousand hands clasped in prayer'. What a beautiful quote.
When the earthquakes hit Turkey in February, I was furious to hear President Erdogan say it was the Will of God. No, it was backsheesh and building regulations not being observed at all.
My sister died last Friday at age 20 after a year and a half long battle with cancer. It was already stage 4 when it was discovered, and so the most doctors were able to do was to delay the progression. My wife and I are the "black sheep atheists" in a Christian family, and so it has been even harder on us having to not only watch a beautiful young girl with limitless potential wither away and die, but also to endure the ceaseless praise of God for "the gift of suffering", for the miracle healing (that didn't happen), and then most recently, the post hoc miracle of her being "rescued from pain" by death.
I just wanted to personally thank you, Seth, this video was exactly the light-hearted discussion of the topic I needed. I've been a big fan of your videos for a long time, but between the discussion topic and the coincidentally apt time of release, this one is especially meaningful. If I were a more superstitious sort, I might be prone to suspect it was meant to be :P Thanks again.
i'm sorry for your loss. i can empathize with everything you said as a former "strong christian". best wishes to you and your wife.
I'm so sorry you had to go through that, @TheJunesong.
So instead of recognizing that this life is only a blink of an eye compared to eternity with God, you choose to mock Him and celebrate an atheist worldview that would argue that your brother's life had NO MEANING?!? Yea that's foolishness. Under Darwinian evolution, cancer is just another natural mutation and your sister was weak due from being unable to adapt to change. Therefore it's better she didn't get to live and pass on his weak genes to the next generation because he wasn't more fit than other people and was a burden to the State and society. THAT is the actual atheist materialist worldview! So sick and tired of atheists STEALING from the Christian worldview, arguing from objective Truth and Morality for a worldview that rejects both. The fact is, God doesn't have to SAVE ANYONE!!! God is Holy, man is fallen and totally depraved. God made creation Good, man disobeyed Him and screwed everything up so if anything, blame MAN. That's like a thief trying to blame a judge for him being in jail and for all the trouble in his life he got into by stealing.
+Akihito007 you clearly did not read what she had to say. You also clearly have no inner ear, seeing as though you clearly didn't listen to the video. Do you really think that evangelizing one who is grieving will get your ancient misogynistic world view across? If you have such a problem with her not agreeing with you, along with Seth, then why are you watching this?
***** Hmm cursing and cherry picking to hide your total depravity and wickedness, yep like God owes you anything. For all their proclamations of being smart, atheists sure do have a an extremely limited reading comprehension and grasp of exegesis.
My favorite quote for god: "God is just a mean kid with a magnifying glass. And I'm the ant. He could fix my life in five minutes if He wanted to, but he'd rather burn off my feelers and watch me squirm."
The Lord Christ has well warned:
"Unless you repent ( change your mind for the better and heartily amend your ways, with abhorrence of your past sins), you will all likewise perish and be lost eternally."
Luke 13:5 (AMP. BIBLE)
@The Mask
There is no escape especially for blaspheming atheists...
"Man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment"
Hebrews 9:27 (ANIV)
Bruce Almighty?
@The Mask
Yet most importantly of all.....what does the Lord Christ say?
"Depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
28 There shall be **weeping and gnashing of teeth**,
when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you **yourselves thrust** out"
Luke 13:27-28 (KJV)
@The Mask
What does the Scripture declare?
"10 He also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is prepared unmixed in the cup of his anger; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: ..................................................11 and the smoke of their torment goeth up for ever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, they that worship the beast and his image, and whoso receiveth the mark of his name................................................. 12 Here is the patience of the saints, they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."
Revelation14:10-12 (ASV)
This is why after being in a coma for 6 weeks, I went back to the ICU a year later after learning how to walk all over again to thank the doctors, therapists, and technicians for keeping me alive and bringing me out of the coma and giving them credit to all they do and sacrificed to learn their disciplines and professions. It was an emotional moment and they greatly appreciated me touching base with them after all that time.
My uncle had a similar experience to his and the hospital staff were floored when he returned to thank them for their care on his behalf. It seems that no-one had ever done such a thing in living memory...which is stunning, considering this was my country's biggest hospital.
And yet Thom, the deluded instead credit the nonexistent for such things. Idiocy clearly brings out fallacies when it comes to Christians. But aside from that, it's good to know that you're stable once more.
Thom Grogan Thank you for doing that. I’ve worked in the medical field for years and have seen hundreds of trauma alerts flown in by helicopter. The pilot expertly gets them to the hospital, the trauma Dr.’s, RN’s, radiologists, RT’s, ARNP’s, PA’s, lab personnel, etc. take it from there. Most patients go to surgery then ICU where they are cared for by skilled staff for days, weeks, months and even years. Of those with a good outcome, god is given “all the glory”. For those that have an “ok” outcome, god is thanked for sparing their life. For those who don’t make it, “god needed another angel”. As I watch everyone involved put everything they’ve got into these patients care, getting not even a nod in their direction, it’s all I can do to not scream out, “You idiots! No god or gods did this! The ones who did are standing right in front of you for fucks sake!” So, thank you. You have no idea how much that REALLY meant to them.
Lori W As someone on the patient side of things I can say not all of us can find the people who saved us to say thank you after we've come to. Often we don't know who did it because we were out of our minds and busy trying to not die. But, I'll say thank you to you because you've done many amazing things to save people. I've been saved by docs and nurses but I don't know which ones. Also been saved by medicines and techniques invented by people who died before I was born. It's not wrong of me to say thank you to you because it's all linked - all the healthcare and science that led to me not popping my clogs too early. I'm certain there are people who would thank you that you've saved if they knew where to find you. There must be. There are plenty of docs and nurses I would thank if I knew where to find them. :)
Thom Grogan I always stop at every restaurant I've ever eaten at to thank them for not letting me starve. Makes sense.
My aunt passed away from terminal brain cancer just three years after giving birth to her son. She was only 32 years old, and she was a devout believer. If God exists, He is a monster - not worthy of love, let alone worship.
he's a loving god for bringing her to his side.. that's the religious logic.
Cloe: God is not a monster. Sometimes it is difficult to understand the timing of someone's death, but God is perfect and does everything with love and a plan for each of us. Don't criticize because you don't know the big picture. God loves you.
Pedro Suarez You're trying to understand God who can no one.
@@ageorgiapeach9442That's such nonsense.
@@ageorgiapeach9442 What an awful narcissist you are, making light of someone's death all for your own selfish gain (i.e. exploiting it to show that your "god" is somehow "perfect" to make YOU FEEL GOOD). And your claim that the person you're responding to who has suffered the loss "doesn't know the big picture" is sheer arrogance and condescension on your part.
By the way, when you tell somebody that "they don't know the big picture", YOU have to KNOW the "big picture" in order to make that claim/accusation. You are so superior in your knowledge, apparently.
IOW: you are full of yourself; you are an arrogant, condescending, narcissist. I am sure it is all under the guise of "Christian humility" though, right? Right up there with "Christian love."
As House MD wisely said: 'You can believe in angels and the afterlife all you want. But when it comes to this life, don't pretend. Because when you cross the road I know you look both ways."
Thanks for posting this.
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I had a motorcycle accident years ago. At the hospital they tried to save my leg for about a week. One of my church pastors came to visit me and told me that “God had revealed to him in a dream, that I was not going to lose my leg”. Three days later they had to amputate my leg.
One of the multiple reasons I’m an atheist now.
a fuckin failure of a god if ever he is real... not only did you lose your leg, you lost your faith too.
same with me, but with my grandma. whole family was encouraged by priest to pray for my grandma's sickness to recover... in a span of 2 weeks it got worse and viola! cardiac arrest! boom! dead!
good job, god.
On the bright side, you lost your pastor
@@easterlake ..and saved 10% of his income.
I just offered this up to another atheist with stage 4 cancer in lieu of a prayer. He's fed up and furious with well meaning believers offering up prayers. Thanks, Seth.
In the words of the singer/songwriter Aurelio Voltaire. "Don't bother asking for cures or an answer, God is the one who gave you the cancer."
If there is no god, cancer just appears without any god nonsense. But Christians don't understand that if their god exists then f course, he is the twat that allowed cancer to appear, as he needs prayers. Attention-seeking psychopath.
The power of god/ prayer defined: you only count the hits and ignore the misses. Its that simple.
*WeLL SAVED ME, BUT You are Going to BURN in HeLL for ALL ETERNITY!!!*
Jesus takes some people to heaven earlier then others simple!!!
@@j.oaklley8965
'Jesus takes some people to heaven earlier then others simple!!!'
If that's not a joke then 'simple' fits the bill!
“Two hands working, can do more than 1,000 clasped in pray” Powerful!
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Exactly. Prayer is just wishful thinking
@@richardwilliams473 It's just wishful to be honest. They don't think.
@@richardwilliams473 The placebo effect so powerful they have to guard against it with double blind studies because faith and wishful thinking is so powerful it alters test results.
Seth ended that beautifully. And to have confidently further solidify what _still_ hasn't happened since seven years ago. He knew even then it'd only be all the more people lying to themselves unfortunately.
When I was a young girl, I overheard my mother on the phone with a woman from church-"..no, she's(a woman from church) not going to have chemo, since Brother Preacher prophesied over her that she is going to be healed.."
The church lady they were talking about, the one who refused treatment because a 'man of God' told her she would be healed, I watched my mother pray fervently in Jesus Name and claim healing for that woman- but she died eight weeks later. I'll never forget that. So sad and infuriating.
WHAT A LIAR.
Amanda Burnt - You cant even write in your native language ya idiot. Youre making a fool out of yourself in front of the entire world. If you believe Robin's 'story' youre as gullible and dumb as ya look. My advice to you is to lock yourself inside and never leave. Youll only hurt yourself and others. Oh and disconnect your internet. That way you can curb your uncontrollable urge to embarrass yourself from sea to shining sea in literally micro-seconds. Sir Isaac Newton was a Christian. The doctor who invented the MRI machine was a Christian. The person who developed the first antibiotics was a Christian. Ant-septic surgery was created by a Christian.
Calculus was invented by a Christian. The ONLY person who looks stupid here is you and that liar up there making up stories. Idiots. Useless idiots. Stay out of the way of society. Please. You can at least do that for your fellow mankind.
im using my phone u dumb ass and it auto corrected it to metal but i fixed it lol to be honest there are real gods out there but Jesus isn't one of them dont get triggered all Abrahamic religions are false
it doesn't make sense to a idiot like u there since you believe in a false god i said all Abrahamic religions are false not all religions i know the true gods are out there i may not know their names or how they look but they are real i have faith in that ..as for your fake Jesus he is nothing more then a fairytale created to oppress the masses
I have a Mensa IQ score of 146. Thats two points higher than Einstein. IM a god compared to YOU.
"i know the true gods are out there i may not know their names or how they look but they are real i have faith in that ..as for your fake Jesus he is nothing more then a fairytale created to oppress the masses"
YOU 'KNOW' THE TRUE GODS ARE OUT THERE HUH? LoL? SO YOURE A FLAKE. JESUS WAS A FAIRYTALE CREATED TO OPPRESS THE MASSES? IS THAT WHAT YOUR HACK HUMANITIES PROFESSOR TOLD YOU? EXPLAIN TO ME HOW a FAIRYTALE COULD HAVE MADE IT INTO 23 EXTRA-BIBLICAL HISTORICAL ACCOUNTS? EX. TACITUS, THALLUS, ORIGIN, PHLEGEN, JULIUS AFRICANUS, etc? HOW'd THAT HAPPEN EXACTLY? THATS EXACTLY MORE FANTASTIC THAN YOUR GODS YOU HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE EXIST OTHER THAN THE FACT YOUR IGNORANCE ALLOWS YOU TO MAKE UP YOUR OWN RULES WITHOUT THEIR PESKY INTERFERENCE ;) - IT ASTONISHES ME THERE ARE PEOPLE AS STUPID AS YOU LIVING ON THE SAME PLANET WITH ME. YOU SHOULD BE WIPING MY FLOORS.
Prayer, the act of doing nothing at all while simultaneousley patting yourself on your back for doing all that you imagined that you possibly could.
Ya the deception is that prayer is god's way of curing things but the truth is he gave it to us through the earth (not "human healers") check this out and see how this lady beat breast cancer no chemo no radiation! th-cam.com/video/vTYYuCtf4C8/w-d-xo.html
@@ConfessionsofaRider What a load of shit.
Confessions of a Rider Then why don't the mainstream medical profession use such "treatments"?
Nailed it
Scot Scotland Very well said.
My dad died last month,on the 23rd of March. I credit science with keeping him alive,the oncology doctors and nurses that kept him comfortable as he went through hospice.I credit the nurses and doctors that gave him drugs that thousands of scientists studied for years to develop,the animal and human trials that went on before the FDA approved it for safe use. I miss my dad,but seeing what he went through for two years,I would not wish him back.I love you,Daddy! Thanks for the memories,you taught me so much!
proud2bpagan
sorry for you loss
thank you so very much
@@proud2bpagan
Sorry for your loss too. Oh hold on, my bad. I'm an atheist, a godless heathen and of course I don't care or have compassion. . . . so say some of the religitards!
Prayer is what caused my faith to collapse. When I was down on my knees praying for a family member who has cancer, I said to myself, " You've never answered one of my prayers". And just like that my faith collapsed like a house of cards. God, Jesus, devil, heaven, hell, church, religion, bible, all of it all gone in a moment of realization. After a lifetime of belief, after decades of fervent religion and faith and prayer. It was because I really believed, really had faith, in all of it. All tied together through the Word of God, The Bible, The Church, that it all collapsed. It was all tied together as One. If that wasn't true, then none of it was.
Same here, thank "god" we have been set free.
You had a sin that you didn't confess to god. That's why he couldn't answer your prayers. /S
@@alphagamma4582 Certified Goober.
...If that 'quip' was Dark SATIRE, @@alphagamma4582, it was merely a Bad Joke...
But if it was SERIOUS & In Earnest, then you are an Awful, Spiteful, Vindictive EXCUSE for a Human Being...but you Would be 'Working Definition' of a "Modern Xtian" who presumes that ALL Victims of Life's Tragedies "Just weren't GOOD Enough Xtians (Like ME !) to Receive #GawdAwMahhty's Protection."
my former lady used to say "Thank you Jesus" all the time and I had to correct her and say "Jesus wasn't here, I found your goddamn keys and my name is Filip"
This made me lol!
Filip V....your God d... words. Wise woman, your " former lady." Yes siree.
same problem here
Jaime Lopez or not? Being ungrateful is a pretty unattractive trait. I don’t care if you believe in sky daddy or not, you should still thank the person who found your keys or did you a favor. Like that’s the literal basics of being polite.
Say to yourself, 'My ideal, my religion, my desire is to please my Lord before whom I bow my head. So when I am before anyone, I am before my Lord, my God. I must take care always to be considerate and thoughtful, lest I hurt my God.' That is the real religion. If you take care not to hurt a loved one, a friend, but do not mind hurting a servant, or wicked or foolish person, that will not be real religion. Love will recognize the ideal of love, the divine ideal, in every heart, and will refrain from using words which will make others unhappy; words expressing pride, thoughtless words, sarcastic words, any word which will disturb a person's peace of mind, or hurt his sensibilities.
Good deeds, kindness, forgiveness, tolerance, acts of love, none of these are ever lost, and some day they will return to us. Even if the recipient appears ungrateful or heedless, it is all the same. There is no need to be disappointed even if he proves to be unworthy of our kindness and our love. When we realize that all life is one life, we discover that it is to that life that we give our love and kindness and mercy. Then it is bound to return to us, if not today, perhaps next week. If not next week, perhaps next year. If not here, then somewhere where we never expected it could possibly come. 'Thou shalt find it after many days.'
Though there may still be time to awaken to a true understanding of these things, it is often too late by the time that sufferings, troubles, and misery have come to the individual or to the multitude. If someone has so far failed to understand them before they actually came, perhaps he will never understand. When there is some little pain or he feels bad in himself, he may think he has some illness. But if he does not think about it, if he takes no notice of it, something worse may come. And so it has been with the world. The worst evil that has ever been should show man that it is now time to awaken and understand that it is not a study of national or social problems, not a study of religious questions that will bring an everlasting peace; but it is the insight into life which is the real religion and which alone can help man to understand life.
lost my brother at the begining of the year,he had cancer and was getting very weak and ill everyone in my family prayed and prayed,sure didn't help at all and took his own life by his own hands and it really angers me so much when i see this shit on social media thanks love the video
Blessings from your fellow Seculars!! I cannot feel your sorrow! Good luck overcoming the grief!
My heart goes out to you. We lost our beautiful daughter in law just last year to cancer. She was only 30 years old.
So instead of recognizing that this life is only a blink of an eye compared to eternity with God, you choose to mock Him and celebrate an atheist worldview that would argue that your brother's life had NO MEANING?!? Yea that's foolishness. Under Darwinian evolution, cancer is just another natural mutation and your brother was weak due from being unable to adapt to change. Therefore it's better he didn't get to live and pass on his weak genes to the next generation because he wasn't more fit than other people and was a burden to the State and society. THAT is the actual atheist materialist worldview! So sick and tired of atheists STEALING from the Christian worldview, arguing from objective Truth and Morality for a worldview that rejects both.
my world view is my own i don't go by athiest or christian i follow my own mind and my own heart when i commented about my brother it was just a comment and nothing else you saying that according to this world veiw or that one makes him weak ,sorry for feeding you TROLL but i could really care less what you have to say just giving you what you're hungry for so from now on let me tell you i get along fine with out christians telling me love all mankind all but the one's that we don't like and be two faced mother fuckers as my father said which by the way was a preacher after he left the service after ww2 until 95 there are sons of bitches in the streets and sons of bitches in the church and i would hang out with the ones in the street more so like i said i'm not an atheist nor a christian i'm a take care of my self ist
well i kinda thought that myself but just tired of people telling me how i feel, when i know best.
Religions collapse under any kind of scrutiny. Humanity has got to grow up.
This is True. We were taught in Church it was a sin to question God.... Well I been waiting 50 for "My Father " to come back. No Jesus or Yahweh.. just the CORONA VIRUS! Wtf? Really...? All the other stuff wasn't enough. I QUESTION EVERYTHING NOW AND LEARNED HOW TO OPEN MY EYES.. Thanks Seth for helping me . 👍
Scruntiny is needed more often
Our education systems still haven't solved that kind of imaginary beliefs
Does that include Muslims and the Jewish? What about the Hindus and the Buddhists? Will they also have to "grow out" of their religions?
@@matthewmoran5297Yes, every deluded society should realise they have been talking to their imaginary friend, and actually start living in reality.
I would love to see him speak live. He has unlocked something in my brain that allows me to think in a reasonable way. I was taught that Atheist were evil and crazy. But after further review, I found that it's not true. Thank you again for the message.
Zipporah M Demons are as likely to exist as Santa Claus.
Good for you
There are evil and Fools. He is just like the preachers he calls con men. Give the people what they want to hear and make money from it. He is making lots of money from fools that believe him.
Plenty of us were just born atheists. I have a hard time truly understanding how people can steadfastly believe in God after a few years of adult life. In my opinion it's just a psychological pathology.
@@brentwalker3300 Humans just need to feel in control. So questions without tangible answers, like "Where do we go when we die?" scare the piss out of us. Much easier to sell a 100% conjured up fairy tale than the harsh truth of "nobody knows". Humans also have an innate desire for justice, so the good=heaven / bad=hell component makes the fairy tale sale pitch even more attractive.
I've been an atheist for years, but when my husband was dying of cancer, I decided to give god a try. I said to god, "if you're real, now would be a good time to show up. Well, my husband died the very next day. Guess god was too busy -- but wouldn't you think he would've taken the opportunity to intervene & welcome back another sinner?
The sentiment that made me an athiest. Sorry for your lost.
I lost my faith during my divorce. A very trying time at which I did what I felt like was the,right thing, I turned to god for strength. Through prayer and bible study I reached out for God's hand, I sought his wisdom, in the right places. And during my quest to be nearer to him, he was completely silent and indifferent to my heartache. Instead of finding wisdom in his book, I found outrageous claims, stories that defy logic, contradictions, paradoxes, discrepancies and a god who, the more I learned about him, was fucked up. A god who is very much different than his handbook claims he is.
222 I pondered the plausibility of an all powerful immortal being who can simply think "GALAXY" and a galaxy would pop into existence, but he is so caught up in the affairs of pathetic humans (his children that he loves so much,) so needy of our loyalty, our worship, but he gets so distracted when I masturbate that thousands of children starve to death. As one or the comments said, he is no different than an abusive boyfriend. Anyone would advise a woman who chose to stay with her boyfriend for the fear of what he would do if she tried to leave him to get away from the man. . We comdemn a man who is like this. But we worship a god who is the same way.
So I lost god attempting to find him. I didn't choose to become agnostic or atheist, I exercised my freewill to remain a believer, to strengthen my belief. And in doing so I discovered god to be absolutely beyond belief.
What kind of god would create me, design me to be all the things I am, give me freewill to choose him or not, yet when I make the choice to believe he is so god damn elusive and his book so full of bullshit that I lose faith. I chose him, looked for him in thee proper places. He knows exactly how I think, he sees me reach for him and he ducks undermine table, sabotages my search for him, and I suppose condemns me to hell for being good. Wtf
Been there done that....and indeed, good ol god was too busy or, wait for it! NOT THERE! to intervene. What a great
surprise!
@Peter D there is no evidence that shows that god helps *anyone* not the 'sinner'/atheist nor the believer so what's the difference which path you chose other than intellectual honesty?
It was during prayer, while praying for a very ill family member, that I lost my faith, when I realized God had never answered a prayer. Prayers made in faith and trust in the promises of Jesus I read in the bible.
"Hands that help are better than Lips that pray." Sai Baba
''Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you tells him, “Go in peace; stay warm and well fed,” but does not provide for his physical needs, what good is that? 17So too, faith by itself, if it is not complemented by action, is dead" James 2: 15, 16
Hmmm, I wonder if Baba read the book of James, what do you think, Burnett? You know what's the kicker, Burnett? It is the Christian that concerns himself with the poor, the down and out, the outcast, the widow and the orphan, the forgotten prisoner and the sick. Not the atheist. You guys aren't known world wide for your generosity, your compassion or your self sacrifice.
@@okheekim131
'You guys aren't known world wide for your generosity, your compassion or your self sacrifice.'
How dare you cast me into some assumed morally devoid state merely based on the lack of belief in your personal god you worthless piece of shit? When an atheist does good, they do so for the mere reason of doing good. When a Christian does good it is with the foundational belief that NOT doing good could have eternal consequences. Sorry to disappoint you but our morals are based on better foundations than yours.
both are good.
I lost my child to cancer. I can't count the times I've heard that God did heal him just healed him in Heaven. What in the world?!?! It's infuriating. God can heal him just allow him to die first. I'd like the people saying this to volunteer their own kids for such healing. Thank you Seth!! I've listened to this twice. It's exactly what I need to hear.
Sometimes God put's obstacles in our life to test our faith and make us stronger - he does this, because he loves us!
You may not believe, but I will still pray for you, because as a follower of Christ I love you even though I don't know you. I'm very sorry about the lost of your child, and I hope that you will have a healthy and prosperous life. Do you want to have a joyful and peaceful life? The only solution is Jesus Christ - I cannot get any simpler than that.
I strongly recommend going to your local baptist church and talk to someone about your personal hardships, ask them all the questions you may have about God and just ask someone to pray with you to fix your unbelief.
- A person who cares about you
@@jamiekelyuh898 I appreciate your concern and I probably would have thought similarly a few years ago. Please think carefully about what you are saying. You may not realize it, but such things only solidify my decision to stay away from church. You're telling a grieving mother that losing her child is an obstacle God made happen because he loves her. He gave a 4 year old excruciatingly painful brain tumors out of love for his mother. I had something to learn so he gave my 4 year old a year's worth of pain and suffering ending in his death. My earthly parents would never do that. The most hurtful things I have heard since losing him have been from Christians. Would you ask God to kill one of your children in order to make you a more holy person? If you would not ever do that, then don't ask another person to accept such a thing. To be kind and just listen to a hurting person without giving advice is far more powerful than prayer.
@@jamiekelyuh898 This is, frankly, a disgusting thing to say to a grieving parent.
If your God's idea of testing a person's faith and strength of character is to force him or her to endure the agonizing and prolonged death of a beloved child, I wouldn't believe in such a being even if he actually existed. Such a being would be cruel, sadistic, manipulative, and abusive.
@@jamiekelyuh898 That's an awful thing to say to a woman who lost a child.
Fuck, that’s rough! Thanks for being brave enough to share this. I’ve lost family to cancer, and I’ve seen friends lose a child to cancer too. I have kids and I cannot imagine that level of grief.
I hope there is a loving community around you, to help you through that unimaginable pain.
Peace.
The phrase "God works in mysterious ways" was one of the major problems that drove my eventual shift to atheism. It helped to open my eyes to a lot of things I had accepted on "faith".
If prayer helped we would hardly need hospitals just dedicated prayer teams. These teams would be so motivated by their successes that they would at work day and night.
you do realize that the catholic church, along with so many catholic religious sisters, have historically operated the MAJORITY of hospitals, centers for care etc, throughout the world
@@nacht_owl you do realize that your head is so far in your ass that you responded to someone from over a year ago with a completely irrelevant point?
Historical Biblical Research, no, We would still need hospitals for persons like YOU; who would never believe. Not even if it smacked you in the face.
Again, the Catholic Church, we wouldn’t have the foundation for the medical care we have today without them! Because, as flawed as the church is, objectively they still see the intrinsic value of life. Whoa, pretty dark there, partner. Ya, i guess atheism isn’t so life-giving since you’re PISSED that you’d have to provide medical care for “persons like ME”. Hey, remember I’m gay and trans, so maybe that makes me a little more worthwhile saving to you ;) Don’t worry, if I come across you dying, I won’t begrudge trying to save your life, because I’m a firefighter and that’s what we do. :) Again, in also not a Bible thumper by any means. How DARE you have different views from me, and i still have to provide you with basic human dignity!!!! How EVIL of me!! ;)
@LG sorry I thought your comment was aimed at me lol
@Historical, you crazy. Again, yeah, some people sadly think of the purpose of prayer in the entirely wrong way; and you are using THAT one small disordered idea about prayer to mock it, so I suggest you research how prayer is truly meant to be used. For example, as a Catholic, when a family member of friend of mine say, has surgery, I pray for God to use the doctors as His vessel, His instrument, to guide their hands, etc. pretty important today since most secular hospitals in bed with insurance prefer that you be dead!
I've had to endure this sort of talk on social media more and more over the years....This is ONE of the reasons why I am not on Facebook anymore...I live in the Bible belt and I've just had too much of it esp after my husband was diagnosed with cancer and the year after the Flooding in Houston. Not to take away from some of the most amazing folks I met while helping with the clean up efforts ...but I just couldn't take anymore "we'll pray for you and your husband during this difficult time" being the extent of any kind of human connection. Then having the audacity to ask for my husband's help when it was their time in need. Which we gladly gave to family and neighbors that were in need bc it's the right thing to do that will make an actual difference in their lives!
''Which we gladly gave to family and neighbors that were in need bc it's the right thing to do that will make an actual difference in their lives!''
''Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you tells him, “Go in peace; stay warm and well fed,” but does not provide for his physical needs, what good is that? 17So too, faith by itself, if it is not complemented by action, is dead" James 2: 15, 16. Sorry you met some pretty poor examples of Christianity.
You know what's the kicker, Stephanie? In spite of all this baloney about the atheist being the really caring one, it is the Christian that concerns himself with the poor, the down and out, the outcast, the widow and the orphan, the forgotten prisoner and the sick. Not the atheist. You guys aren't known for your generosity, your compassion or your self sacrifice.
ok hee Kim Religion is a poor predictor of generosity.
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0362331914000202
At best, religious organizations have the infrastructure necessary to perform significant amounts of charity work, in which case it's the infrastructure leading to more charity work, not the religion.
"pretty poor examples of Christianity."
No True Scotsman. The best part about comments like those is that your organization can be as cruel, lazy, vicious, etc. as long as your guiding principles sound nice.
Also, I'm sorry you met some pretty poor examples of atheism. See, I can do it too!
"You guys aren't known for your generosity, your compassion or your self-sacrifice."
Thanks to Christians like you spreading propaganda like this, the fact that we don't brag about it like you guys do, and the fact that there are fewer of us.
If I were to list charitable atheists, you'd say that they are outliers and I'm just bringing up anecdotes, not data. In which case, look at the study linked.
@@okheekim131 : Perhaps we are knot known for how much we help others, because we do not go around advertising how much we do to try to look good to others. Christians are constantly exaggerating what they do to appear better than others.
Get out of The South. It's a 2nd world country, maybe even a 3rd world in Mississippi and Alabama.
@@randyd.8171 AMEN
One frustrated doctor to another. "I swear that if one more family member thanks God for curing my patient, I'm going to put the tumor back in!"
I have stage 4 gastric cancer and I thank my doctors everyday for helping extend and better my remaining quality of life. I thank you as well.
Love it.
@@bobtimster62that’s genuinely evil. A doctor shouldn’t care if people thank them or God, they should care that they are helping human life
@@clay8546 I was replying to @stephenland9361's comment. I don't understand what you are referring to. I was agreeing with the doctor's comment in the joke. I thought it was right on the mark. I was not referring to @blackstaroblivion2361's comment, if that's what you were thinking.
@@bobtimster62 that’s literally what I was talking about
If you are a doctor, you should not care wether your patient thanks you or God, let them do whatever makes them happy. You should care that you help a human, not that they thank you
So glad someone is finally saying this publicly, and eloquently. I'm so tired of my FB feed being filled w/ "Pray for...", "My thoughts and prayers...", "Send prayers!" As if to say god has a weighting system for prayers. The more we get, the better the chance he will work in mysterious ways!
I actually USED TO BELIEVE THIS STUFF....HEART AND SOUL. Now even saying that is funny..soul? Doesn't that come from religion too ? I would preach to others cause I was born into a cult called Jehovah's witnesses, being abused mentally, physically, and emotionally . But hey . My parents knew what was right...right?
NO this shit is getting as Old as the dirt. Jesus has not come when called, it's makes me wanna cry. I wasted so many years believing
My thoughts and prayers are with you.
its nice to listen to somebody talking about reality and not imaginary bullshit.
Imaginary bullshit is only good for entertainment.
You are an idiot troll. You have nothing, so simply saying I said something moronic shows you to be the moron unless you can back it up, which you can't. I'd be embarrassed to be you for sure.
+Rob T
'Imaginary bullshit, like the universe creating itself, and we are all sitting here discussing this out of coincidence.'
Who stated that the universe created itself from nothing?! NOBODY but creationists seem to actually make this demand. All evidence points to a time when the universe was once much smaller than it is now and physics allows us to explore this mathematically right down to the tiniest fraction of a second. All known physics prior to this point breaks down and this is why no self respecting physicist ever claims that the universe came from nothing. Nobody has mathematics that reaches t=0 so nobody should claim to know the origins of the universe or anything any earlier than the mathematics allow us to claim as knowledge. To claim the universe came from nothing is either disingenuous or uneducated. This is not the claim of science whatsoever.
Ultimately it would seem that you are from the god corner so lets hear your explanation of the origins of your deity? Where did this omnipotent, omniscient being actually come from?!! You see it matters not how much you object to atheism, facts are things that we can test. It never ceases to amuse me how theists demand the existence of a creator but mindlessly just accept such an omnipotent being merely happening to exist and how do you defend this position? You merely slap a label on it that 'god just IS' and that he 'exists outside of space and time'! All points you have no way of verifying or justifying. Face it, nobody is any worse off just stating that the universe sprang into being by magic! This in fact is exactly what you demand too! That your god is able to make matter from absolutely nothing. It is the demand of the theist that god makes things from nothing. Science DOES NOT claim that the universe came from nothing, merely that to the best of our knowledge came from an extremely dense singularity. This is where the maths leads and NO FURTHER. To claim knowledge of anything prior to this point is dishonest.
+Rob T
'How in the hell am I going to explain where God comes from? Stop and think about how nonsense that question is.'
No, YOU stop and think how nonsense YOUR entire argument is! Your entire premise is based on the notion that something cannot come from nothing therefore . . . . . GOD! Don't you even marginally grasp the double standard YOU so easily and thoughtlessly create here? Why don't YOU try and explain why the question 'where did god come from?' is any different or unreasonable than the question 'where did the universe come from?' because as far as I can tell, neither question is any less fair!
'ATHEISTS which mos scientists are, claim the universe created itself from nothing, that there was no God involved.'
NO, THEY DON'T!!!!!
'You did a lot of typing to get nowhere.'
Yes, again I find myself in the empty void of the creationists mind. I don't know how many times I have to point out that *SCIENTISTS DO NOT CLAIM THAT THE UNIVERSE CAME FROM NOTHING!!!!* Creationists seem unable to grasp how very wrong they are to make this claim in the first instance. Scientists claim that the universe began as an extremely dense point known as the singularity. All evidence points to this being the case and it was in fact this apparent origin that led scientists to hypothesise about the CMB (cosmic microwave background radiation) which was later discovered and thus added verification to the scientific method which had first led to the conclusion of the universes origin. Once again, allow me to be abundantly clear on this point: *SCIENTISTS DO NOT CLAIM THAT THE UNIVERSE CAME FROM NOTHING!!!!*
Now lets move back to the god hypothesis and see just how silly this conclusion actually is. I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that you believe that the universe must have once been nothing whatsoever rather than having always been? I'll work on this assumption since you guys seem obsessed with this notion of nothing being the beginning and some form of supernatural MAGIC being used to then create all matter. You see I find this demand particularly annoying. You are so hung up and assertive that there must have once been nothing that you demand this is the case. . . . . except for GOD! Oh no, god gets his own special place! Matter is not allowed to exist without a prime mover to make it exist but that prime mover is allowed quite mindlessly to just BE! What is your issue with matter existing IN THE BEGINNING (or more technically, energy but I'll not go too deep into that!)? How can you object so harshly and yet wilfully and ignorantly claim the existence of a god for which you have no explanation? You are merely trying to explain the origin of something that we don't have an explanation for by demanding the existence of something you also cannot explain! But lets just investigate this a little further. . .
Not only do you demand the existence of this god you have no evidence for and think requires NO explanation but then further that this god has the power to make something from NOTHING! What you are actually invoking is nothing more than MAGIC! Your attempt to explain the existence of something requires a BELIEF that a being of sorts just happens to exist in the beginning without any requirement for being created AND that this being has the power to create matter from nothing! This is even MORE absurd than claiming that matter just sprung into existence by magic itself! Even with a pretend god, you still have to pretend to know that this deity is able to make matter without ANY starting materials whatsoever! All you've done is created an impossible situation where god exists AND that this god then creates things with no raw materials. This is a more absurd claim than demanding that matter comes into existence by sheer magic. Regardless of these points, *SCIENTISTS DO NOT CLAIM THAT THE UNIVERSE CAME FROM NOTHING!!!!* This simple point is one you should try to grasp or if you feel that I am wrong then show me where scientists are making this absolute claim because I'm telling you this is NOT the case.
+Rob T
Just like so many of your 'kind' you only come to piss and moan about Darwinian evolution whilst actively seeking out videos like this that don't agree with your god conclusion you mindlessly form without evidence. I've met some piss weak creatards before but at least most have an attempt at debating the points raised. You on the other hand are what we know as an invertebrate. You come merely to scream your anger at anyone who don't buy into your brainwashed god stories but don't have a clue how to defend them! As Gommerman stated quite nicely:
'+Rob T Please educate yourself before saying moronic stuff like that. That is seriously embarrassing.'
Cretin.
My dad says I read the entire bible as a child and when I finished, I said, "this is fake."
Curious, did she become upset with you? 🤔
ArmadilloAlien
your dad should have asked for the holy spirit to understand his words. your dad chose wrong.
@@martymcmannis9121 what?
the bible is bullshit! the bible is bullshit!
dono Taylor Let me give you an exorcist priest role.
If a theist has cancer, prays, and has a recovery - "It's a miracle!"
If an atheist prays to the "flying spaghetti monster" and has a recovery then... not a miracle? hmmm.... I think im sensing a double standard here...
Blessed be God, which hath not turned away my prayer, nor his mercy from me.
@@paulgemme6056 You totally missed the point of my post. Congrats.
Why would an atheist pray to a god of pasta? They are atheists, atheist don't believe in any deities.
@@craigj.davies1983 It was a statement on the testablity of prayers and the level of evidence theist use to justify praying.
@@__Andrew Show me.
This is one of the greatest sermons I’ve ever heard. I’m an atheist but it’s becoming easier to say it out loud more everyday.
Say it loud and proud, 'your god claims did not persuade me, there is no evidence, leave me out of it'. Not sure why the word 'atheist' is even necessary. All human advancement has come from people who demanded evidence to assess claims, but supernatural claims are untestable and unfalsifiable and only hold us back.
I remember when I was kid my mother always told me pray to God he will help you I was sexually abused by teacher many many years and I will pray to God to stop it it went on for years prayer doesn't work I would like to thank my therapist Amy and my doctor Vanessa help me a lot for many years
I keep wondering why god is not doing more for all those children at St. Jude who have cancer. What lesson is he trying to teach them? How is having cancer bringing them closer to him? For god to be glorified in this he would have to be doing something, but he does nothing. Every day I drive by a church sign on my routes and it reads "my god can do anything." I keep wondering why he does nothing. Maybe I have not understood yet that god works in mysterious ways.
@@lahaina4791
'The penalty for sin is death and disease. God kept his promise of punishment for violating his laws.'
Babies are born with cancer sometimes! These babies don't even understand how to utter a single word let alone the concept of right from wrong. How is it they are tormented and left to die before they can grasp what sin is? How come god said the son shall not suffer for the sins of the father (Ezekiel 18:20) and yet original sin is based on the entirely opposite concept! Awkward. . . .
'Jesus sin atoning sacrifice and obedience to him as lord is our hope.'
Don't be silly! Jesus IS god, sent to earth in human form. So he needed to send himself down to earth for a small selection of the population (tiny selection) to murder him in order to be able to forgive us for doing bad things? Do you ever wonder why people laugh at Christians?!
'God has promised a cleansed Earth soon with no more death and disease.'
Soon, what a wonderful word. You can delay proving anything with the word soon! LMAO
@@lahaina4791
'@Glenn Carr ....Death and suffering, often including agonizing pain is hard for the mind to process.'
Not when you grasp why we mourn and why we feel pain. Nothing more than mental attachments to those we care for and pain a largely unnecessary thing that has helped us to survive through generations and thus endure to this day. Pain hits people who KNOW they have a damaged nerve for example but they can't turn it off. They suffer unnecessarily even though they can understand the cause of the pain and take steps to protect themselves from damage. Pain is an evolved trait that forces us to protect damage to our bodies and thus increases recovery. Why couldn't a sky daddy merely make us like computers that KNOW when something is wrong WITHOUT pain? Makes no sense since we can do this as humans. Watch as your engine management light comes on through simple human ingenuity and yet the car feels no pain. Especially chronic pain that causes people to commit suicide at times! Is god crap at making computers? Evidently so since the all future seeing god never so much as mentions a microprocessor in the bible! Its almost as though it was written by people who had NO IDEA of modern science. Sometimes the simplest answer is the correct one.
' In my family of six kids, three died before the age of thirty. '
I genuinely feel for your loss. It must have been an awful thing to endure.
'Yet I don't blame God.'
Nor should you, there is no evidence that one exists. Yet if there were then you should be angry at the scumbag for not dong everything he could to save them. Would you choose to not help others that were dying as a human? I know I would! Nothing excuses a real caring gods inactions. . .
'Jesus is not God, he is God's son the firstborn of creation.'
Nobody seems to actually know since most people claim that he is the FATHER, SON and the HOLY GHOST! Why can't you believers even agree on a common theme here? So screwed up.
'He had to be fully human and no more or less to provide the ransom.'
Ransom? What ransom are you talking about?!! The story is that Jesus died for our sins, well, at least that's the claim the vast majority of you make.
'We are not paying for the sins of our father Adam.'
Christopher, my dad's called Chris.. . . .
' At the moment of sin he became genetically faulty and simply passed on flawed traits based on the laws of heredity.'
Right, I get it now. So then god failed when he said that the son shall not suffer for the sins of the father in Ezekiel 18:20. God is omnipotent and could correct the DNA damage with the mere passage of a thought. Lets face it, this all had to propagate from Adams kids (at least if you were right) so sky daddy only needed to correct their minor mutations in order to ensure he kept his word in Ezekiel 18:20 right? You seem like a nice guy and I quickly lose patience with empty comments. Your loss is truly awful and tragic. It's not the fault of any god but a mere result of reality. It is sad but we all love and lose. I really do feel for your loss though. I can't begin to imagine how awful that must be and I didn't even have any kids. God clearly stated (if you believe the book) that the son shall not suffer for the sins of the father. God clearly failed (if there were such a thing)
'If Adam had children before his sin they would have remained perfect, passing on perfect life to their offspring. '
Irrelevant. God still failed to ensure that his claim in Ezekiel 18:20 was upheld. The omniscient omnipotent being is clearly a liar. The fact he is omnipotent and still allowed this (claimed) genetic fault to be passed to every human ensured that he failed EVERY human in his claim following Adsy and Evie!
'Time is needed to show conclusively that violation of God's laws brings only bad, to provide a ransom that was prophesied far in advance, and to prove that man would not be like God after eating the fruit, being able to choose for themselves what is right and wrong without harmful repercussions.'
Apparently time is needed in order to continue to disprove more and more biblical claims since there are a great number of people still gullible enough to buy into this horseshit.
You really do come across as a well meaning guy and I can't express my sorrow at your personal loss. It must be horrible to live with. I hope you can study the other side of the bible and learn that you have been duped. I have loved and lost and I will lose again and again (probably) before eventually succumbing to the rigors of biological aging. I could tell you a hundred or more facts that show the bible is nothing more than a work of man but if I'm honest I don't want to. If you insist to continue then I will present my case but I feel you take a level of comfort from the bible and the ideas it portrays. your losses are extreme and I have no inclination to add to your suffering. I wish you all the best.
@@lahaina4791
All the best Dave and I'm sorry for your loss. We sometimes forget just how lucky we are as individuals. I guess there will always be those out there that are worse off than us individually.
Regards
Lahaina - Meanwhile, innocent children suffer from cancer and die. All powerful, all loving ?
I think not.
I agree with your sentiments completely. Humans suffer because we are human with a finite lifespan and that is that. It's not a conspiracy theory...
I cant believe that in 2016 some people still think that an invisible sky person is allowing pain and suffering to millions of good people all because of what may or may not have happened thousands of years ago in a imaginary garden with a talking serpent!!! lol
I know- it makes my mind go WTF as well!
Unit: shows how totally ignorant you are of Our Lord and Savior. Read the New Testament.
@@ageorgiapeach9442 Nothing in the bible, new or old, has any relevance in current times. Science and our knowledge of reality will continue to expand and fill the gaps your god resides it now. There will be nothing left for you to cling on to other than fallacies and faith. Learn to think for yourself and stop adhering to an iron-age code of morality that wasn't written for you. Open your eyes and ask questions. You're better than your religion.
@@ragnarokda206 The Holy Bible was written for every human on this planet, all of God's children, yesterday, today and always. He also gave us His special gift, which is Jesus, who died on the cross to pay for our sins, so we could be cleansed to enter Heaven. You cannot earn your way into Heaven with good deeds and no faith. You must believe in Jesus Christ as His son, and God as our Creator. I wouldn't want to live in this world if I couldn't depend on God to help me through my life, He is the best part. Jesus wants you to know his message, but I'm not obliged to "convert" you. I hope you will find Our Savior before you die, as I would hate for your soul to end up in Hell for eternity. If God doesn't know you, Satan claims you. It's up to you. God bless you. Why do you bother to argue with a Christian if you are so set on ignoring God? It's because every soul knows deep inside that God is Very real. That's why.
a georgiapeach STFU with that “everyone knows god” bull crap, you have NO clue how others think, feel or believe.
“You must believe in Jesus Christ..and God as his father.” 😂 No.
“Why do you bother arguing with a Christian if you’re dead set on ignoring God?” No one is ignoring anything. Not accepting the claim that the Bible is evidence that a god, let alone your particular version of god exists and that your god is the correct one out of the hundreds of denominations that claim the exact same thing, sure.
Thanks! Love your channel
Humanity will never be able to grow to its full height as long as there is religion,period!!!!
RaidrWolf
Stalin went to school in the seminary. The Russians were told for hundreds of years their leader was divine. China is no where near to being a secular country with a bill of rights or a constitution. So what's your point.
U.S.S.R. may not have been ruled by religion but it was by ideology akin to religion, no different. Stalin destroyed churches till he learned from hitler who used religion to further his agenda. In response stalin rebuilt those churches.
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Look moron, the U.S constitution is the only secular set of laws in history ....looks like it is working...dumb fkn idiot...
Irish: Agreed!
There are thousands of gods. Which God are we talking about?
Not even 5 minutes in and I'm asking myself why I didn't see this masterpieces earlier
My mother prayed to Jesus for help ...
She suffered a slow and painful death from cancer ...
I feel your pain peace be with you
My condolences
From what I've observed over the years, prayer is really just the religious person's way of saying "Gee, I sure hope God's perfect plan happens to turn out *this* way for me."
The cancer part really affected me as my mother has cancer
The first part is something those who are religious will never understand: Logic
Praying is like a rocking chair - it'll give you something to do, but it won't get you anywhere.
- Gypsy Rose Lee
speaks for your approach to prayer, but then something made you believe in Santa and those habits are hard to let go of :-)
Wow you really assume a lot of shit about me but i guess that's how stupid people react to having their fantasy blown up.
Please pray that you stop being so fucking stupid.
The fucking quote was from Gypsy Rose Lee yet you say I believe in santa Fuck i hate stupid people.
you seem to identify very much with the quote, but than that's your problem if you do. Nice triggering you. Seems to be a lot of fuck in your brain, so let it out as it might get you some relief
“Two hands working can do more than a thousand hands clasped in prayer.” Mic drop moment.
edited to say "...more than ALL HANDS clasped in prayer."
God= the Ultimate Ball-Dropper
This is something that I’ve held on to for years since coming into atheism. It’s proven literally every day
Could 'two hands' change my friend, Glen? He is a 12 point felon and, formerly, was said to be the 'meanest person in town.' People would cross the street when they saw him walking toward them. Now, he is one of the nicest people I know. He started a ministry helping ex-cons know Christ.
Mike was a habitual criminal who started a riot in San Quentin Prison. His own mother had given up on him. Yet, in an instant, his life was changed by Christ. I become a minister just so I could officiate his wedding. There is a power in prayer; you are greatly mistaken.
Are you happy that you or one of your family members has not been mugged or murdered? We see God change lives on a daily basis. One of them might have broken into your house one night. Do you think that telling them they are evolved ocean scum would have the same effect?
Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world and the only hope for humanity. I hope you get to know Him!
Ken Shiloh people change their own lives and then credit some god for the change. Hell, I did it at one point myself.
This video reminds me of one of my favorite cartoons. A surgeon looks across a patient at another member of the team and says, "If this bastard thanks Jesus too, I'm putting the tumors back in!"
Lol
awful
@@ageorgiapeach9442
'awful'
You mean perfect right? I mean, how obscene that the real heroes here (the surgeons, doctors and nurses) have to listen to the brainwashed thanking god for saving them when they would have died if not for medical intervention. I suppose 'awful' would be right if you are talking about this level of ignorance!
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a georgiapeach not awful, fair.
At around 27:20 he pretty much covers what I've always said with his bit about the amputees. People always pray for something that could at least potentially come true. You never see people praying to grow back an arm or to be able to fly or to turn invisible. In some small way I think this shows that they implicitly or in some subliminal way, know that prayer is bogus.
Pain and suffering is an extremely powerful argument against the existence of God. Theist have a difficult time defending it. Either God does not exist or he does and chooses to sit back and watch as the horror continues on daily basis.
Skeptic Sam pain and suffering does not come from God
jacegil something, somebody created everything isn,t it?
''Pain and suffering is an extremely powerful argument against the existence of God.''
Ahh, no, pain and suffering are an extremely powerful argument for the cruelty, selfishness and greed of man. Every time you see somebody suffering, you can be sure some human being made a stupid decision that rippled pain into somebody's life. I'm pretty sure we've all brought pain and suffering into somebody's life while here on earth. But don't you fret none, Sammy. There is a day coming when God will judge the nations and all will be exposed, judged, avenged and paid in full.
@@okheekim131 So God willing made Hitler, and Son of Sam and others KNOWING they would hurt others and this LOVING God placed them in positions of power of other people he willing made and Loved. You are not Logical or COMPASSIONATE if you believe what you stated.
"Everything happens for a reason" and "nothing happens that isn't God's will"...then everything that happens is God's will. Which is rather insane, considering the pain and horror in this world. Look at animals, they have to continually search for food, eating other animals, or they don't survive. It's not a gentle world.
I underwent brain surgery. Every day, three times a day, nurses came to see me. They checked to see if my heartrate was good, if my blood had enough oxygen. They checked to see if I was still me, checked if my brain was working right. They made me get up and walk, supervised me to make sure the guy with a bit of his skull glued back into place didn't fall over and die.
Every day, doctors came to follow up, some to give me information about what happened, others to ask where I wanted to go from there, what my options were.
Every day, people came along with little carts and picked up trash, washed the floors, disinfected surfaces, so that diseases couldn't spread and kill people, like me, who had a flap of skin sewn back on.
When I was in pain, I was given medication (and, surprisingly, *brain surgery* causes very little pain, go figure). In case the surgery did some unexpected damage, I was given anti-convulsion medication, so I wouldn't hurt myself. Someone, somewhere, is cleaning out the giant metal drum where the powders and liquids for all those meds are being mixed, someone is carefully measuring and mixing those components, someone is checking the quality so that I don't die when I take a pill from contamination. Every day, I had three meals delivered. Bland, but good quality, and I could request a snack at any time of day, and I could ask to see the nutritionist and say "I don't like cheese" and my meals would be personalized to not have any cheese, just like everybody else's personalized meals, out of hundreds of patients, three times a day, every day.
One of the most prominent rooms in one of the most commonly traveled hallways on the ground floor was the "spiritual services" chapel. There was never anybody in there. No parasitical scumbag came to bother me in my room with empty words demanding my eternal servitude, and if one such "priest" had come to visit me he would've left the room running with piss running down his pant leg out of the talking-to he would've gotten from the guy with a hole in his skull.
I suspect I know *EXACTLY* why no scumbag parasite came by our floor. It doesn't pay to advertise for the guy you claim invented cancer *on the cancer patient floor of the hospital.*
None of the nurses, doctors, cleaners, cooks, or plethora of other personnel that I can't even name (like the social worker who helped me write my last will and testament just in case the surgery went bad, because yeah, that service was provided too) asked anything of me but to get better.
I'm Canadian. It didn't even cost me a dime. My monthly pills cost me 20-25$ a month. I've had two MRIs and am waiting for a third, a PET scan, other scans I can't even label or recognize. I've had my skull cut open and then put back together. I have stitches in the back of my scalp. I have a custom-made plastic facemask that was used to hold my head still as an expensive machine shot radiation directly into what was left of the tumor after the surgery, which I've kept as compensation (the mask, not the machine) for the hair I'm missing that will never grow back. The most the hospital asked of me was my hospital card. Oh, and a bunch of my blood. Which was the worst part for me, because I don't handle blood and veins very well. Brain surgery, no problem. Blood sample? Panic attack. We've all got _something..._
At no point in any of this did any deity send an agent to extort me for "services rendered". At no point did any divine spin doctor come and explain why I _had_ to be born with a couple mutations that meant I would 100% get cancer in my 30s, why it was vital for the sake of the universe that I be inconvenienced by having a bit of my dead brain scooped out and be left partially blind for good measure. At no point did any angel come and mention as I was suffering and dying for two years that the pain in my side was the colon cancer growing a tumor the size of a tennisball, or that the cancer would come back and metastasize and go to my brain a year and a half later.
Why?
Because God isn't real. None of them are. I'm not "angry at God" for "doing this to me" any more than I'm angry at Voldemort for killing my house elf, because house elves don't exist and neither does Voldemort. I don't blame God, any god, for what happened to me. It's a simple consequence of genetics. I live in Canada so, overall, these experiences have been pretty painless. I'm not in debt for life, I don't have to stress out about back payments, I might not even be on the anti-epilepsy meds for much longer, which would be nice, not that 25$ a month is a huge expense.
You don't curse the Rain Spirit when it rains. It might be inconvenient for you for it to rain _today of all days_ but there's no Rain Spirit to blame and it isn't meant to punish _you,_ it's just a quirk of the water cycle.
Likewise, you don't curse God for creating cancer. Cancer's a terrible thing and I've been luckier than I really should have been with how survivable my two brushes with the big C have been, but there's no God to blame for it and it isn't meant to punish or extort or scare me into compliance. It's just a quirk of genetics.
But... if God *DID* exist, and all this stuff happened? He'd be History's worst villain. The entirety of fiction would be dedicated to attempting to murder God for his crimes against humanity. Every field of science would try to find some way of poisoning it so we could reclaim our lives. Every scientist in the world would be trying to rescue the souls of the dead, held captive and enslaved in order to stroke God's massive, throbbing... ego for all eternity.
If God did exist, he'd be the biggest, most murder-happy, vicious, monstrous, evil piece of shit in the universe. Good for all of us, then, that he's just a primitive myth.
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Wow. Awesome comment. Eloquent, personal, compelling, and rational. Thank you for taking the time to post it.
Great comment, Edward! If God did exist, he'd be history's worst villain. Absolutely! All of the people who helped you during your illnesses deserve our love, respect, and admiration. What would we do without beautiful loving, caring, selfless human beings in this world? The glory belongs to them. I wish you comfort, happiness, and peace in your journey back to health.
Thank you for writing a profound comment that by rights should be memorialized for all, if such a thing were possible.
I'll share a short but similar story from my childhood. I was raised in a fundamentalist house on a small farm-orchard, whereon we grew most of our food by composting, fertilizing, planting, weeding, propping, thinning, spraying, smudging, harvesting, culling, picking, packing, canning and selling the products of at least 30 different kinds of trees and other plants. We also hunted, fished, raised meat of many kinds. After slaughter, hanging, butchering out, picking, skinning, cutting, smoking and otherwise cooking said meats, we could finally get our meals.
Before every meal a formal ritual was observed, without exception...a prayer was said to "our heavenly father", an absent character, who never showed up, thanking him for his bounty. I knew when I was very young something was awfully wrong, and that my parents had some form of insanity.
You guys are going to make me blush. I wasn't going to but I'll edit out the 'Gold' typo to the 'God' it should be in the Voldemort paragraph, if people are going to like the whole thing this much. It's been bothering me anyway.
I like Jeanette's story, too. God's even less reliable than a deadbeat dad who leaves while mom's pregnant and doesn't bother to write so little as a single check to help raise you, and then shows up when your first kid's born and expects to re-enter your life, and that's *IF* God existed, which we've pretty much established is nonsense at this point. At least deadbeat parents can be proven to exist by _genetics_ if nothing else, even after they vanish without a trace. You work hard your entire life and not for a single moment is any problem ever fixed for you by the undetectable hand of some imaginary extremely-part-time benefactor, and you're still expected to give away credit for your hard work.
That's what I wanted to make clear in the first place. Hundreds of people made my brain tumor go away, from the janitors to the surgeons, from the anesthesiologists to the cooks, from the secretaries to the pharmacists, to the pharmaceutical factory workers to the researchers who invented the products said workers make in the first place, to the chemists who discovered chemistry tracing back hundreds of years. Through all this, those uncountable people saved my life and the life of another uncountable number every day. I'm grateful to them. I can't ever know or remember all of their names, but I'm grateful to *them.* They did something. Day in, day out, they help, they heal, they work.
God's just some imaginary evildoer who's still ostensibly "out buying cigarettes" since before humanity was even born.
YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT GOD. AND IF YOU DON'T REACH FOR HIM, YOUR SOUL WILL NOT GO TO HEAVEN. YOUR SOUL DOESN'T DIE. IT LIVES FOREVER IN HEAVEN OR HELL. YOU DECIDE.
If there were some favored group that God was granting favors to as a result of their beliefs and actions, it would be detectable in the statistics. This was especially the topic that haunted me for years as a Christian. It made no sense.
Same, honestly.
For the majority of the human population, It seems to be solely based on what book happens to be in the houses.
A book.
Written by humans.
I honestly can't. 😂
This talk resonates with me alot. My mother battled cancered for over 10 years. She still passed away. Nobody had more faith and prayed more then she did. She still lost to the fight against cancer after over a decade. My loved ones still make excuses for prayer. I am looked at as the godless heathen because I eventually left the faith. It is so frustrating.
None of your business what the gullible thinks of you.
God is no different than an abusive boyfriend
Abusive boyfriend ? You are being kind here. I would say it is more like a combination of Jack the Ripper and Jason Voorhees.
Watashi wa Javier Betancourt desu he's nice to me maybe he doesn't like you.
wow, you are an idiot.
Atheism is the ultimate form of denial. And blatant stupidity. If you think the universe created itself from nothing, then beat yourself with a metal baseball bat, please.
Rob T Who said any of that? Your failure to understand science doesn't mean we are wrong. It just means you're stupid. Poor fella.
This video is one I can relate to. Several years ago, my youngest daughter was diagnosed with lymphoma. It was stage 4 when discovered. It had traveled to several lymph nodes. The only miracle she needed was an incredible doctor. We had a meeting with the doctor before treatment started. The thing that impressed me most was the doctor's attitude. As we were finishing up, Dr. Ospina leaned forward, put his hand on my daughter's knee as said, "Don't worry, we're going to kick its ass. Never were truer words spoken. After the fourth treatment, no cancer cells could be detected. She continued the treatment to the end. SHe also had a couple of radiation treatments as a precaution. The cancer cure was obtained by a great doctor, excellent treatment, and my daughter's will to live. No gawd thingy required.
I'm happy she made it bro
Thank you so for your responses.
I'm happy for your daughter, but who made the doctor, god works in mysterious ways. God is a difficult subject but I assure you there is something else at work which we can't see, I've seen ghost/shadow people on numerous occasions with other witnesses plus many paranormal events from things moving to doors unlocking and opening on their own, we definitely didn't crawl out of the sea from some slime as they tell us, we are definitely created. God bless you and your family.
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@Catrina Gamer no need for a doctor I've seen it with multiple friends. The world isn't an accident
Stop praying, start doing.
Simple and yet is it so effective.
Here’s a man who has no idea of wisdom. He speaks about prayer unknowingly like the guy who said machines heavier than air will never fly! Wrong.
Deconverted Man EXACTLY. If people think about it, what actually helps, praying for people in a hurricane or actually going to volunteer
Deconverted Man Have no faith and don't pray. Satan loves it. Satan doesn't want you to pray to God. Satan knows God answers prayers to all who believe and has Faith in God. Satan wants to kill you and take you to Hell and torment you forever. Satan can put evil thoughts and temptations into our minds. Satan can put evil ideas to say evil things. In the Bible, Jesus cast out 1,000 demons from a man possessed. God created Hell for Satan and his demons. Satan hates everybody and wants to take everyone to Hell and torment them forever. Thousands ARE in Hell already. Thousands more are going. Thousands don't believe in Hell. They will when they get there. Demons are waiting to torment them forever. ALL because they rejected Jesus and are evil. God created Heaven for all of us and wants to take everyone to Heaven. God is LOVE. God Loves you and wants to take you to Heaven. God so loved the world, he gave his only son Jesus to die for our sins that whosoever believes in him will never die but have everlasting life in Heaven. Jesus is the Truth, the life and the way. The ONLY way to Heaven. If you know the Truth, it will set you free from the bondage of Satan. Satan kills steals and destroys. Satan is a Liar and Deceiver. Satan is filthy and nasty. Jesus defeated Satan at the Cross. Repent and receive Jesus as your Savior. Make the right choice. I Did. Don't let Satan control you and take you to Hell and torment you forever. Jesus is Lord whether you believe it or not.
Pray AND do. /win.
All hate and love comments aside, I'll just say this. Remember to thank a doctor...fireman...policeman?...you know what, thank ANYONE who shows up to help!
Thank Jehovah God& Jesus christ too they help me from a curse that was effecting me.
U Y I will thank them but I also have to thank jehovah God& jesus christ cause they help me with a cursed that was effecting me no human could have help me with that situation but they did that's why they are my heroes.
Imagine an earthly father not helping you even though it's within his power that's God for you.
"Faith can move mountains, if you have the appropriate technology." - Eric Hoffer
If prayers worked.....why do we still need prayers??????
If prayers worked, why would we need doctors?
If prayer didn't work why do people start their day with prayer?
Its to keep them from the insanity that is evident here posted by batshit atheists.
Gerard Jones If prayer work. Go and heal an amputee.
Gerard Jones
"batshit atheists" You do your loving (read "evil" (chuckle)) cult proud.
Prey to get rid of us, lets see if that works. LMAO
Addit: "why do people start their day with prayer" Why do many millions of people still smoke, must be good for you right?
newmove Lmao thank you. The guy's a moron.
I have been around religion and the faithful for thirty plus years. I have never witnessed a Christian being healed and I have not found that the faithful live particularly more chaste lifestyles than the unchurched. Recently, I had a discussion with my extremely religious, rigid elderly mother of mine. I asked her why she disposed of the microwave that I gave her. She told me that a speaker at her church told her that microwaves were unsafe. When I questioned her she told me," you can believe what I want to and you can't convince me otherwise."
This thinking has kept her in religion for almost 70 years. She wants to continue in her ignorance.
Monsanto IS THE DEVIL !!
Glycophate is killing half the people in the usa right now.
For real.
Jane Dough Microwaves aren't dangerous to you (as long as they are used properly ) and the same with cell phones. The waves emitted by cell phones are too weak to damage you.
@Jane Dough Actually Jane, a church doesn't speak for God, a church is a stepping stone to get past to talk to the Lord yourself. A preacher is like a god in a closet, so she didn't keep what they said in the closet. Sorry, but the preacher wrong about microwaves being unsafe. Now the older ones that were here decades ago were unsafe since those will still work with the door open. So no, you don't get to say that God agreed with someone and not the other, you're haven't asked for the truth from the Lord. A preacher can't tell what they haven't asked for yet.
@Jane Dough You are not correct mam, I'm not sure if you understand this, but we're not talking about taking our own blood at home and heating it in a microwave and consuming that blood. And also, HCFA cited the hospital in June 1991 for not adhering to policies. Blood normally is heated in specialized warming units that flush it through heated tubes. So no, the microwave isn't at fault, the Nurse is at fault for not adhering to policies. newsok.com/article/2364538/tulsa-hospital-fixes-blood-policy-defect
So I don't have to tell Mrs Levitt about her being killed off by a ignorant person of medical science who didn't follow policies. Blood is alive vs what we put in the microwave to heat up to eat or drink. And newsok.com/article/2431075/blood-warming-appeal-vowed
and this settles her death for $12,500 vs the 30 million they tried for law.justia.com/cases/oklahoma/court-of-appeals-civil/1995/4387.html
A true believer would have faith that God would protect them from the microwave, no?...guess she doesn't have enough faith, doesn't think God is strong enough to protect her from the microwave. 😆
My son has stage four melanoma, our religious republican relatives in the US have put him on their' prayer list' .I think I'd prefer to rely on the treatment to extend his lifespan.
Yup sounds about right. They're all about prayers until it happens to them, then they demand something done because they know prayers are a longer form of doing NOTHING.
So powerful! 😍 That's one of the best speeches I've ever heard.
I have made the decision to no longer hide the fact I don't believe in god! Thank you for giving me the extra bit of confidence through your videos. I believe the reason I avoided 'coming out' was because I wasn't confident in my argument toward believers but after watching you for the past week I know I have more to say other than ' I just don't believe' I now have plenty of ammo against the bible thumpers I know.
I'm with you on that one. I held back telling my family and people I work with for the past 10 years, and I'm tired of pretending. I know that people will judge me over it and look down on me as a result, but I need to be the person I am, not what others want me to be. It takes great courage to come out as an atheist today, with all the societal pressures and the bullying that religious people do to them.
This was almost a year ago... you're in Alabama? How did it go, are you ok?
June: You have been fooled into believing Satan (man) rather than God. God loves you so much and wants you to be in Heaven with Him when you die, but your soul will not be prepared for Heaven unless you know Jesus. Read the New Testament and save your soul.
Good for you , I too am sick of all the “ pray to god for this sick child or person “ does god need us to grovel?
I live in Alabama, you will not even survive on fb around here. But to ppl close to me, I let them know. I also have a child in school in a very small very religious town, so I don’t want any of my beliefs to hurt him as far as ppl around us. He is 11 and is an atheist too.
Notice god has never made an amputee grow back a limb
That would make us all believe again.
On the other side humans created artificial limbs controlled by thoughts to give amputees their limbs back.
Surgeons have replaced limbs though....
Trust science!
Never trust a carpenter who can't even remove a couple of nails.
I once knew a man name peeter, but he was not a man but a wolf in sheeps clothing!!
Seth I'm glad I came across you, now I have another intelligent man to listen to. keep up the great work !!!
Regardless of your beliefs, please don’t thank “god” instead of your medical professionals. Thank sky daddy if you must, but thank the people who have studied for years and dedicate their lives to heal yours.
Yes,its the reality ,why not helicopters were granted to the prophets instead of mules,asses,camels and horses to ride on and missiles etc to fight against the nonbelirvers.
Last year I was diagnosed with a very rare and agressive form of cancer. The first reaction from friends and family was to offer prayers. I refused these offers, preferring medical science instead, and wrote to all and sundry NOT to pray for me. I am now in total remission - in spite of my refusal of prayer. Go figure!
Prays are just false hopes,it work nothing.In our society its said every occurence in ones life is pre destined,man has no control over it ,his foodgrains are limited when it ends he will live no longer.
This was absolutely fantastic! It's everything I have personally been struggling with regarding my own faith, put into words by someone else.
It is issues that every person capable of critical thought should be able to think of. But if you do, you will be labeled as not having strong enough faith. You are expected to just swallow the snake oil that is being pushed down your throat without question.
I am a doctor myself, and I have never seen any supernatural healing. I have however seen plenty of human suffering. People begging god to intervene. It NEVER happens. What a powerful, almighty god we serve.
This talk hits the nail on the head! Goal post shifting. How many times have I seen that first hand in my patients, their families and my own family. The actual patient outcome doesn't matter. Be that complete recovery or death. All praise be to god!
I've had it with this shit. Let's use our human intelligence and human hands to relieve human suffering.
There was no good reason for a loving, benevolent god to include a slow agonizing death by cancer in his Perfect, Divine Plan.
James Richard Wiley beautifully put
Pain has a purpose. It tells us to get our hand off of the flame. Those who ignore pain will live in the 'fire' for eternity. It is not God's fault. You either go with God and go with your pain. The cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, yet Christ is the light of the world.
@1234 Since insults are not a rational form of argument, I am not sure how to respond to your post.
@@kenshiloh pain from a flame serves a purpose, learning that a flame burns and avoiding it next time...Now kindly explain to me how the pain that a child with bone cancer experiences is supposed to keep him pious and god fearing...
Or innocent infants being born with conditions that cause horrible pain and suffering with 0 chance of recovery. Is that supposed to be a teaching moment from the good lord?
Or does it teach us that there is no good lord and nature is absolutely brutal and does not care about us.
@@Bellg Yes, it is sad to see the pain or death of a child. Why is there pain? Is the universe like the ultimate practical joker? We all have dreams of what life can be but, ha ha!, you lose! Everything you love and hold dear will be ripped from your clutching fingers at death. Ha ha, you lose! Life is a bitch, then you die? Ha ha!, you lose?
I can honestly say that, for decades now, I have not even had one second of doubt that I know Christ and I am bound for heaven. I can also honestly say that, because I know and love God, that every day is like a delicious feast - and I am not even in heaven yet. The world cannot understand that my life is absolutely perfect and that I am perfectly happy. That is because I know Christ. Life's pain - emotional and physical - are swallowed up in my friendship with Christ. Moreover, after horrific abuse by my father, I have an indescribably great relationship with God, my Father.
If you go into eternity without solving the problem of pain, you will be in pain forever. Think of a billion, trillion years; that is not even a fraction of eternity! Jesus said, "Be careful how you hear!" Be careful how you hear. Be careful!
You can have a pity party or join the party. Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
Ppl in Poland:
*IIWW talk* "Through faith our nation survived."
Yeah the soldiers didn't count apparently.
A topic close to me, my mother struggled with cancer throughout my highschool years until finally succumbing right after my senior year. She accepted death gracefully despite the horrible suffering, and to cope I tried to turn to Christianity. However, I could not ignore the glaring hypocrisies and severe conflict between religion and science. My desperation put a spotlight on Christianity, and I realized religion was utterly false. I feel it helped me grow as a person, and helped me see how valuable human life really is.
My granda thinks god cured her cancer. I get in trouble for saying it was the hospitle the chemo and the doctors working constantly out of one day a week to make sure she got the best treatment it was their hard work that cured her not god you know what her daughter did asked the doctor point blank when she was gonna die then ran off with her boyfriend and made me and my twin go with her but i thankfully was sent to live with my gran and been by her side rver since
JESUS IS REAL IM DYING BECAUSE OF MY SINS … because I am a sinner and I deserve to die and I don’t deserve to go to heaven, but Jesus died for my sins so that I can live for all eternity so I pray that it’s a fast paid painless death
@@godschild3640haha your god hates you
This is my favorite. The second and third are "The Center of All Things" and "The Pale Blue Dot" Thank you Seth for not ignoring me by writing back when I was suffering a PTSD attack. I used your first deconversion videos to start to reconnect my brain's neurological connections caused by a massive spark. I am a humanitarian just like you although we have taken different paths.
Thank you for being connected to your humanitarian stories, which are your essence as a sentient entity. You have a good sense of humor. Being a Hollander we heard of lot of "Whoppers" including the Jonah in the Whale fish story. No one "pulls my leg."
Seth is sooo good at what he does!
One of my favorite quotes: "If the only way the supreme creator of the entire universe can demonstrate his existence to me is to create images of Mary or Jesus on food items, I'm not impressed."
I guess I now have to add ultrasound to the list of items.
+Edward Collins
I much prefer the image of Jesus, on a dogs ass! Look it up, hilarious!
There was an “image” of Mary somehow on the glass of an office building in FL quite a while back, believers went batshit.
Edit: Just before Christmas, on December 17, 1996, a stain was discovered on the glass windows of the Seminole Finance Company in Clearwater, Florida. The stain, which was 60 feet tall and 20 feet wide, evoked the traditional shape of the Virgin Mary.
Religious devotees were certain that the image was a miracle, but glass experts weren’t so sure. Corrosion of the metallic coating on the glass - a common process in certain types of glass - was largely suspected to be at fault. There was no explanation for why the stain appeared when it did, though, or why it resembled the Virgin Mary.
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Jesus' on a dogs bum!
Toasted cheezus sandwiches.
@@AC-gb7do - Live 20 miles south and went there multiple times to "confirm the vision". LOL, what believers won't attribute! Mankind can be pretty guillable at times, but it takes something like religion to REALLY separate out those that will fall for anything (looking at you Mormons and Scientologists at the head of the pack with all the christians, muslims and etc. following behind..!).
As a recently deconverted Mormon, and following that a deconverted theist, I have been listening to some of Seth's stuff lately. This one is 7 years old and here I am totally loving it in 2023. This was AWESOME!!! My fully Mormon family still gives god all the glory even after having lost my father and two sisters to cancer. And they were some of the best among us. This one really hit home and summarizes both the case against god and the case for humanity at the same time. Really liked the ending giving the glory to the medical professionals, first responders and other humans. This is brilliant, Seth! Thanks!!
I wish all those "deeply religious" ppl would not go to doctors - just pray. Would solve a lot of problems.
Yep, the problems would work themselves out.
What a disgusting thing to say.
This may come as a surprise, Himi but there are such things as Christian doctors. Tens of thousands of them. The Christian relies on both. Only a few fringe groups prohibit medical help. Luke was a physician. Good grief.
They'd usually much rather kill their own children. When it comes to themselves, suddenly "god helps those who helps themselves by going to the doctor"
Some do. The result is what you'd expect - death and suffering, often of children. And the parents often get off with a slap on the wrist because religious practices get a pass in this country.
Here is one way to make an ATHEIST laugh
Knock knock
"Who is it?"
"It's me, Jesus. Let me in."
"Why do you want in?"
"I want to save you."
"Save me from what?"
"From what I'll do to you if you don't let me in.
Indeed. It made me laugh.
No kidding. God will save you from himself. Why would we worship that?
lol
Knock'knock❗........
God gives you a choice, with our free will, to either follow God or Satan. If you choose to ignore God, Satan takes you to Hell, not God. God would rather you be in Heaven with Him, He loves us completely, but you must believe that Jesus died for your sins so you can enter Heaven, or God's house is not an option for your soul's eternal life. Hell is torment 24/7. watch Bill Wiese, 23 minutes in Hell to teach you about Hell.
I remember Kathy Griffin as she won an Emmy said, "Jesus had absolutely nothing to do with this".
Well, I suppose she's entitled to get SOMETHING right once in a while.
Kathy Griffin is annoying.
Takes a real genius to quote a psychotic imbecile like Kathy Griffin.
+Rob T(inkerbell)
'Takes a real genius to quote a psychotic imbecile like Kathy Griffin. '
Hey look, I'm a genius!
@krinkov545
The logical position to take is to reject stories of Christ since there is no evidence to demonstrate such an individual was anything real and every reason to reject stories of magic until the point in which we can prove otherwise. Besides, what is with the anti semitic views? Aren't you sheep supposed to love everybody and prey for lost souls? Repent, sinner!
this brought tears to my eyes, the most insiteful speech I've heard in a very long time. Thank you Seth, for telling it how it is.
Nothing fails like prayer.
God loves you, San. Reach out to Him.
@@ageorgiapeach9442 It's sad. I've known many sweet, kind religious folks, but their blind spot is bigger than your state.
@@tgbedini I've got Jesus. I'm content.
tgbedini I recently had to depend on the most high God too help me caused I was cursed and the day quill was not helping the problem the issue.
Believe it or not, most people here did, and no one reached back. Because God isn't real.
And if you want to call a tingly sensation when doing certain things "God", than me playing Doom and chainsawing demons while listening to death metal is God, and me jacking off is also God.
What kind of example is it to have your one and only son tortured, whipped and nailed to a cross? I wouldn't sacrifice my son for anyone. And could not respect anyone who would.
I have YET to even understand what the hell that was all about!! On one hand I'm told that he was tortured because some king didn't like him, or some such shit. On the other hand, I'm told he died for my sins! WHAT??? How does that even work??? I STILL, after 60 years, have NO clue what that even means!! And I spent the first 4 years of my schooling life in a religious school!! I also went to Sunday school every summer for who know how many years AND, in the early `70's, was in a church youth group for a few years!! I even played Jesus Christ Superstar a number of times when it first came out and STILL don't know what that statement means!
So? Neither have I! Nor do I intend to. I read Genesis and it made no sense at all to me, so, no point in going any farther.
Vicky Esperanza? How does a fictitious character dying 2000 years ago have anything to do with my supposed sins? Also, how can you say he sacrificed himself when it was some other king that decided to torture him to death?
Okay, so, why did he make us that way? All he had to do is intervene or teach us. You don't just spit a unit out of your crotch and push it out the front door to fend for itself! Did he tell you it was unbearable to him? He couldn't have felt THAT badly about it or he would've stepped in LONG before now and DONE SOMETHING about it!! If I was god, my FIRST inclination would NOT have been, "Let's see, humans are evil, so, I'm going to kill my own son! THAT'LL teach them a lesson!!" I can guarantee you, it wouldn't even have been my TWELFTH inclination!!! If he lived a perfect live just to show us how it could be done, why are there STILL, to THIS DAY, thousands of uber-religious gang members readily willing to kill anyone that gets in their way?? Why does the POPE still allow and condone child torture, molestation and murder in the basement of vatican? Are they just more sacrificial lambs? When will you offer yours up to be the next sacrifice? I never bothered to read the bible and I've always been of the understanding that we should love each other and try to help each other! And that's how I live my life!! Really? He died on the cross for our sins? Well, THAT'S the part I don't get. It's just your talking point that you all echo every chance you get, but it doesn't MEAN ANYTHING!! It's just something you're brainwashed to tell everyone!! Jesus died for my sins?? What sins are we talking about? How could him dying 2000 years ago (when he actually never even existed in the first place!) have ANYTHING to do with MY supposed sins? WHO killed animals for their sins and how did that help rid them of sins or whatever the hell it's supposed to do? Oh! God knows all of this prior, hunh? Well, WHY doesn't he do SOMETHING about it, prior??? A bunch of kids were killed in a school a few weeks ago by a nut case with a gun!! If god REALLY knows these things prior, WHY wouldn't he have removed the psycho from the planet before anything happened to those kids??? Or, are they just another sacrifice for someone's sins?? There's ALL KINDS of nasty shit happening to innocent people, but I NEVER see your precious god stepping in to do ANYTHING about it!! That ALONE is proof enough to me that your god does NOT exist!!! Babe, if it takes the spilling of someone else's blood for me to enter his imaginary kingdom, I refuse to go!!! And, if you think that's a GOOD thing, then you're just another sick, twisted, mind-controlled puppy with no will of your own. Just how they want us ALL. Good luck!! You're GONNA need it!!!
I'm not worried about it because there IS NO heaven!! AND, I have no sins.
When I told my mom god was an abusive partner she said and I quote “that is the doctrine of satan I will not have satan speak in my house in the name of Jesus I cast you out” she literally thought I was possessed
This video came out the year my VERY devout Christian mom died of cancer in a lot of pain. Even though she was one of the kindest people I ever met, do you know what I kept hearing from the people closest to us? "OMG, she allowed a Jahova's Witness into her home to read the bible! She's going to go to hell!" (she said she was sick and tired of the extremism of other believers in the family and just kinda wanted to chill.) and "If she doesn't wear this magic necklace when she dies then she's going to go to hell. Make sure she never takes it off."
Even though I've always been agnostic but dropped Christianity early in life, those statements infuriated me to my core. If someone who gave their entire life in the service of others, first as a nurse who saved lives and then as a foster parent who cared for and adopted sick kids like myself so we'd get a chance in life, the idea of her being tortured for eternity for something so small made me really angry at the Christian faith. If SHE could go to hell then we're all screwed. And the fact they could say those things literally days before she died tells me they don't know anything about how their religion works. No one knows what gets a person into heaven even though they supposedly have an entire manual on it. That's a HUGE problem and is rife with psychological abuse.
Religion was invented when the first con artist met the first fool.
Nereid of doom Mark twain needs an exorcist priest role.
watch the devil and father amorth trailer.
Masn creates. cancer God does not. People die that is part of life!!!
Man creates cancer
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'Man creates cancer'
Man does things that increase the RISK of getting cancer. Cancer is a measure of the imperfection in our evolved DNA and how easily it can be mutated to make a cell replicate itself whilst failing to die. But then according to you folk, god made DNA!
'God does not.'
Agreed. There is no evidence for god. If there were, we would at least expect to see him exercising some fair play. We surely wouldn't see babies born with the disease because that would prove Ezekiel 18:20 wrong and thus the bible. Man also cures and treats cancer. God does not!
'People die that is part of life!!!'
Does god also great parasites, creatures and plants that require damaging or killing another organism in order to survive? Did he create ebola, HIV, malaria, yellow fever etc etc etc? We all die though, you got that part right!
I lost 3 famiy members to cancer.
I have a rare, crippling, excruciatingly painful degenerative neurological disorder called CRPS (type II, full body). People often ask me what’s wrong. It makes sense to wonder why a woman my age would be on crutches permanently (I use a chair part time, as well). I’m only 31 and I look all of maybe 25. But when I tell them, the response is almost always, “I’ll pray for you.”
Don’t tell me that. I don’t give a rats ass about prayers. What I care about is the extreme lack of research funds for this disease. It was discovered during the American Civil War and we are just now having drug trials for a drug that might work for it. That drug wasn’t invented for this disease- it was invented to treat osteoporosis, a very common symptom of CRPS. In Italy, they noticed the 3 CRPS patients in the drug trials for this new IV infusion osteoporosis drug all experienced massive improvements in pain and functionality. It’s now being trialed in the US for CRPS under Orphan Disease laws.
If you really gave a rats ass about me, about anyone suffering with this crazy, horrible disease, you’d donate to research for it. In the US, the national charity is the RSDSA (www.rsdsa.org). Even $5 makes a big difference.
Cant you do both?
You can do both, but prayer is likely just comforting to the one who prays, from the point of view of evidence.
Adrian Brent the point is that most mainstream religious people won’t. Christians are more likely than JWs or Mormons, who are hardcore taught to distrust charities and only give to the church, but if you believe that a god will magically cure people, why donate money? I saw that happen a lot when I was religious, people would use prayer as equivalent to doing something actually helpful like donating food or money or time. And not time like mission trips, because half the time they’re proselytizing and it’s really disgusting to take advantage of people’s situations to convince them to believe something. Specially the way JWs and Mormons do it, where they only render aid to their own followers but proselytize to everyone else, basically training people that they will only help you if you’re a follower and will just leave you behind if you’re not. That’s straight up gang like.
I have that condition in my right foot, have had it for about five years. The only thing that helped with pain was yoga, but I still can't take a single step without pain, and can only wear open-toed shoes. I feel for you! People have no idea how painful this condition is and you have it in your entire body!
Hello I am sorry you are going through such..have you seen Doctor Nemechek..He is really good
Thanks Seth for this very informative lecture. I agree with every word. Been through this many times with family, friends and close partners..and prayer never worked. What helped myself and them were the actions of us humans! Peace, love and light to all❤️🌞
18:49 My uncle was in a fatal car crash at age 21. They managed to resessitate him, but he remained in a coma for three months. My grandmother and mother refused to pull the plug, as they believed (devout Catholics) that God would save him. David came out of his coma three months after the accident with total amnesia and permeant brain damage. He has never recovered any of his memories of his life before the crash, and has gone through a lot of suffering since. He struggles to remember things, and still sometimes misremembered me being in 1st grade. He has become much more temperamental after his "miraculous" recovery, and for the past thirty years has been making a meager salary as a clerk at a JCPENNEY's.
He used to be an actual genius. No joke, by textbook definition. He had a whole career ahead of him. If he was in school, he would likely be in heavy special Ed care, and he struggles to get by as an adult because he simply lacks the capability to understand everything that's going on. He has also become a hardcore MAGA supporter, QANONer, and overall crazy conspiracy theorist. He genuinely believes the ancient aliens type shit.
My family thanks God for bringing him back from the dead, and they all think it's a miracle. I am the only one to point out that the man who came back is not the same person at all before the crash. My Uncle has been dead for 30+ years, and what's left is a confused man who sadly will be forced to live the rest of his life in a state of confusion and misery.
I have no fucking clue why my family not only believes that God did this, but they also think it's a GOOD, WONDERFUL, MIRACULOUS thing.
This is actually Monkey's Paw level stuff, "oh sure, you can have your son back, but he'll be forever permanently damaged and not at all the person you knew."
This God seems a whole lot more like AM or a psychotic Djinn than the Tri-omni benevolent jinni his followers make him out to be.
Coming back from a coma isn't being back brought from the dead lol. People in comas have a pulse therefore are literally alive lol.
What a terrible tragedy, I am so sorry for what happened to your uncle!
@@californiadoll6273 No, he had no pulse and no brain activity, and they used a defibrillator to start his heart again. From there, he went into a coma.
Next time someone says they’ll pray for me, I’ll respond “I’ll hold you to your promise beyond death”
man!i love this guy.he's soo on point.short and on point :))))))...i keep on wondering how tf believers dont see these points?? :((((
i'm glad i have rid myself of this nonsense called god, i wish i had realized it sooner..
Watch the devil and father amorth trailer
You may think you're out of the danger zone but you might not be you might be deeper in the hole.
Just picture what exorcist priest see hear, smell, seance, feel, touch.
watching this made me feel uneasy I am too careful too cautious I take no chances.
@John Thijm Thijm Google the 6 voices of annelise michel.
@John Thijm Thijm Google the translation of annelise michel.
@John Thijm Thijm watch annelise michel part 1 part 2 part 3 part 4.
@John Thijm Thijm Type this in in the you tube search box " the devil's bible predicted september 11th over 700 years ago" the video last 9:13 the channel is titled leak project.
"All the tales of miracles, with which the Old and New Testament are filled, are fit only for impostors to preach and fools to believe" - Thomas Payne
This entire presentation is really fantastic, but I think the most powerful part is at 41:36 when Seth concisely shows why any of us are more moral than the biblical God.
Really enjoyed watching this, and hope to see many more like it in the future!
Justin: Don't buy into this satanic talk. God loves you and wants you to go to Heaven to be with Him when you die. Your soul does not die. It lives forever and will go to Heaven or Hell. Don't ignore God. Just reach out. You are so lost and you don't even realize it.
The goal post thing is so true. I had a friend at work who we expected to get a promotion, as a division head I was on the board of advisors, and the plan was to take the graphic design department out of the print services division, and make it a division of its own providing web design, packaging design, and graphics arts (all of which they had already successfully dabbled in. This would have made my friend a division head with a raise and bonus plan. He was very devout, and was praying for this. But the decision of the board was turned down by the owner, who decided instead to outsource all of that and shut down the department.
Work for graphic artists being hard to find he had to take two jobs and do some freelance commercial art to make about 60% of what he had been. But he was "blessed" because he was able to work a night shift at Walmart, and then work 4 am to 9 am loading trucks for UPS, who gave health benefits, and then he could be at home during the day to do his art, which freed his wife to go back to work, and he could watch the kids. God had his back.
Then he got testicular cancer - praise god for getting him the UPS job with the medical insurance! When he finally had to sell his house, praise god because he had a friend (me) who had no kids and a five bedroom house where his family could stay.
And when he got too sick (often) to watch the kids, praise god his mother in law lived nearby! When she died 9 months later, she was in a better place, and god was praised because she had left here tiny home to them, so they could move into their own place.
God was praised when his cancer went into remission after 2 years. And then, when I happened to find that a friend of mine needed to hire a graphic artist for his web business, and I got him the job (which paid far less than he had made but was 8 to 5 with benefits) god was again praised for knowing that this was the job for his because it was less stressful and gave him more time with the family than he would have had if he had gotten the promotion.
In the end, he was awed to see how god had made this amazing plan unfold for him. Never mind the loss of his home and all his savings, and his mother in law, and his illness.
You forgot one of Christians' favorite little pithy lines, "God helps those who help themselves."
how about that great one: "trust in God but lock your doors"
"We each have our own cross to bear " was a favorite apology of mine
The thing they fail to realize about that phrase is that it comes not from the Bible, but from Benjamin Franklin, who was a deist, and who was pointing out that the only time "God" does anything is when the individual actually does it.
+xerxestireirondada interesting
Its odd that " God helps those who help themselves " was an original quote the Deist Benjamin Franklin issued in condemnation of fascile prayer in religion .
My extremely religious Christian friends (who are aware that I don't believe in the Bible) have always listened to my horrendous physical problems which have no known cure that led to having deep emotional and financial problems and they have told me for YEARS now every time they see me: that God has a plan for me, that he loves me, that everything happens in God's time, and they will pray for me.
I finally snapped at one of them and said, "I wish he'd fucking get on with this plan of his then, so I don't have to keep suffering while he apparently does NOTHING to help me!" I said to her, "Don't you think if your prayers were going to work, they would have done so by now?" "Why does this God need you and everyone else around me to incessantly beg him to help me?"
I instantly felt regret because I knew these things were being said to me with good intentions, but at the same time I felt justified since I had bottled that up for a long time and knew the things she was saying were to comfort her... not me. I always felt like I was the one there to comfort her about my situation when I was the one that was supposed to be getting the comfort. If she wanted to pray for me for the millionth time, she didn't have to burden me with it. If they incessantly bring up their religious beliefs, I'm supposed to be appreciative and let them say it, even if what they say hurts me instead of helps me. If I ask them not to say it since they know I don't believe what they do, I am being a jerk to their feelings.
When I want to comfort someone, I tell them I am sorry for their loss or sorry they are experiencing pain or problems. I assess whether there is anything physically, emotionally, or financially I can do immediately for them to lighten their load and I do it ASAP. I ask them if there is anything else I can do. I tell them to let me know if they think of something later and assure them I am not just offering plattitudes and that I REALLY WANT to help, if I can. If there is nothing else I can do, I ask if I can give them a hug or sit and hold their hand. I give them time to greave if they sèem to need it, or try take their mind off it temporarily if it seems like it would help them. If I can think of something funny to say that may help them, I say it before I leave. I try to just let them know I care.
I read your comment and I sympathize with you @elainejohnson6955. I wish you all the best.
*If I ask them not to say it since they know I don't believe what they do, I am being a jerk to their feelings.*
No, you're not. While asking them not to keep repeating those religious platitudes may make them feel embarrassed or even angry, doing so doesn't make you a jerk. If they have any genuine respect for you they will (perhaps eventually) realize that all of you are better off for them having a true understanding of how you feel and what you're going through. And if they fault you or ignore you when you do nothing more than tell them how their actions make you feel, then they're not actually your friends but are only using you to make themselves feel good about doing their Godly duty.
And if they keep doing that while not doing anything to help you physically or financially (I don't know if they do or not), then they are most definitely not your friends, nor even good Christians. In such a case I would tell them to go read Jesus's parable of the Good Samaritan (about a man helping someone in physical need despite differences in belief and culture) every day for two weeks before they show up to you again. Good luck to you.
God doesnt exist and people pushing him onto others is extremely insulting. Prayers are a longer form of doing NOTHING
Great talk. and I could sum it up by saying two things:
1. Prayer does have a tangible effect on people, similarly to meditation, but there is nothing supernatural behind it.
2. Give credit where credit is due (and don't be a jerk about it)
When people prey over others particularly their children in preference to getting real treatment only to watch the person being prayed over deteriorate and perhaps even die, what can I say, I'm fine being a jerk about it.
Unlike meditation which is the act of concentrating upon one's inner power, prayer is an act of pure surrender of whatever power you have left into the hands of an imaginary friend (or sky daddy as xians like to refer to), and therefore prayer cannot, under any circumstance, have similar effects to meditation. And if you ever claim to receive answers to your prayers, then who's the jerk?
newmove when I hear of thousands of women abort their own babies, because we've redefined what infanticide is, I'm better than the lowlifes who resort to being jerks about it. I kindly tell them that they are wrong, and there are better paths of redemption to take.
But hey, being a jerk is fine, no one can judge you as your sense of right and wrong doesn't really exist.
Michael Gorka
"Prayer does have a tangible effect on people, similar to meditation"
Don't you mean, similar to "masturbation"?
newmove death and suffering does not come from God
I find that so disrespectful to give all glory to God when people has worked their asses off! A simple thanks to the people who work hard would be nice! Ugh, these brainwashed people!
I agree completely. Athletes pull that nonsense all the time. They earned everything they have. I understand crediting the parents and coaches and all that because they are real and actually had an influence, but thanking god for your achievements is such a cop out, sometimes people just do it to be PC. It's sickening.
My grandma had lots of health problems and we went to the hospital everyday of the week to see her.
She had gotten a lot more better and immediately everyone in my family started talking about how it was all God's work and God's will.
I don't believe in God what so ever nor do my sister and that event had strengthen the believe of everyone else around me.
I'm just happy for the doctors. But there was no way in hell that a "God" Did anything.
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'My grandma had lots of health problems and we went to the hospital everyday of the week to see her. She had gotten a lot more better and immediately everyone in my family started talking about how it was all God's work and God's will.'
If she had passed away they would have been stating that god needed another angel or that she is now in a better place! It's a case of heads I win or tales you lose when it comes to religion unfortunately.
Sweet Tanner That presupposes that they had brains to begin with...
That is something I always do, thank the people who are responsible for helping me...
"[Religion] is the tragedy of human cognition." - Scott Atran
"Sin is the tragedy of the human condition"- God.
"Blindness is the tragedy of the religious condition " - me.
Nacirema It's not about Religion. It's all about a Relationship with Jesus Christ. Satan is evil. God created Hell for Satan and his demons. Satan hates everybody and wants to take everyone to Hell and torment them forever. Satan gives people who are non believers of Jesus cancer and all other diseses. Satan hates you and wants to take you to Hell and torment you forever. Thousands ARE in Hell already. Thousands more are going. Thousands don't believe in Hell. They will when they get there. Demons are waiting to torment them forever. ALL because they rejected Jesus and are evil. God created Heaven for all of us and wants to take everyone to Heaven. God is LOVE. God gives life and more abundantly. God so loved the world, he gave his only son Jesus to die for our sins that whosoever believes in him will never die but have everlasting life in Heaven. Jesus is the Truth, the life and the way. The ONLY way to Heaven. If you know the Truth, it will set you free from the bondage of Satan. Satan kills steals and destroys. Satan is a Liar and Deceiver. Satan is filthy and nasty. Jesus defeated Satan at the Cross. Repent and receive Jesus as your Savior. Make the right choice. I Did. Don't let Satan control you and take you to Hell and torment you forever. Jesus is Lord whether you believe it or not.
Robert Ota -
b. s.
Anti-religion is the catastrophe of humanity's arrogance.
Brilliant. Perfect presentation.
I have gone to church since I was probably four years old, became a Christian at around age thirty. Now, after five years of living in Christianity I am very close to becoming an atheist. These have been the most miserable years of my life and I had many days where I wished I was dead because of the way people treated me and all the confusion Christianity has brought to my life. I have always been good and giving to people and lived right, but all I have gotten in return is disappointment from working hard, along with being taken advantage or rejected by people who were the closest to me at certain times of my life. I have many talents, but I am overlooked and forgotten about because I live a life of humility and don't have connections or prestige. This constant pattern of rejection in my life has damaged me and destroyed my self confidence and self esteem. The important things I prayed for and had strong faith in never panned out. I am so tired of the "loopholes" to defend God when nothing makes sense or injustices take place. I am to the point where I believe that sin is nothing more than us acting on our own selfish human nature and survival instincts. I am also intrigued by the fact that many other religious people that aren't Christian are getting comfort and peace of mind from what they believe in. I have felt more comfort lately in knowing that things are what they are, I don't have to play this guessing game of why or what each uncomfortable event in life is designed for or if I am passing a test to learn some spiritual lesson. Also it bothers me that the church is now a place of employment and run like a corrupt government business instead of a place to serve. I guess a big reason I feel this way and see things form a neutral perspective is because I am not a sentimental person, I don't feel the need to place a "God Stamp" on every detail of my life so it will have some sort of extra meaning to me.
Same. Many, many years ago, I went to a Vineyard megachurch. Full of hypocrites, too. I never felt so alone in my entire life. I even became suicidal. I was much, MUCH happier when I left. Also, the further I get from Christianity, the BETTER my life becomes. And NO, I'm NOT an immoral heathen.
The section at 34:15 hit home with me--I've often compared my Mom's devotion to her god to Stockholm syndrome. Because she doesn't even believe that she is one of his chosen people, yet she still worships him because she thinks it's the right way to live. She also told me (and I'm a grown woman nearing 50 years old have lived my life as a non-believer all this time just fine) that she'd have been a more successful parent if I believed in her God. In other words, if she'd been able to brainwash me ("brainwash" being my word of course). I know that being insulted is just my ego, and that the real problem is her seriously sick thinking, but it still hurts me and makes me feel more alone in the world that my own mother is a bit sick in her thinking.
Your humanity is at the heart of everything you do, and I love you for it Seth. This was awesome.
Back in 1985, my mum (just 60) was given three months to live. Her surgeon said to my dad, "There's nothing more I can do. It's in God's hands now." What a callous thing to say.