ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 พ.ย. 2017
- American historian, atheist, author, public speaker and blogger Richard Carrier gives a talk in Toronto, ON on the historicity of Jesus and corresponding Christian Gospels.
You can find a copy of Dr. Carrier's book "On the Historicity of Jesus" here: www.amazon.ca/Historicity-Jes...
The utter compulsion to control man from its onset has created a rabbit hole of astronomical deception that few could ever begin to comprehend.
Exactly.
A whole relationship. A few could at least see its own beginning.
I'm skeptical that it is "from the onset", because humans have existed for, what, a couple hundred thousand years? And it seems that these kinds of institutionalized religions didn't start to appear until well after civilization began. To me, it's more to do with power, hierarchy, and authority being concentrated into established institutions that are enforced by organized violence.
@@atortarr there was probably proto religion. We started with Animism, but we've found sites like Gobekli Tepe which appear to be religious sites make by hunter gatherers, before traditional civilization.
These hunter gatherers were most likely nomadic, staying at different sites depending on the season.
But they've built and buried large stone sites, with intricate cravings . Something we previously believed only civilizations would do
you are supposed to solve the mess and declare yourself reborn in Jesus.
what, you expect the religious loonies to solve the mess?! you do it! be warned!
Why would the creator of the whole universe need to hide messages in a book?
Books were going out of style. Any sentient creator would have predicted this.
@@HighestRank Jewish men in the Bronze Age did not.....Good point! Jewish men wrote that book, they did an awesome job, more and more of us are on to the "scam"
Why not? People like to read books, they’re easily carried, and can be copied accurately.
Who said the message was hidden? Why did you believe them?
@@davidconklin9552 Why did you believe absurd fairy tales by proven liars? "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" www.nytimes.com/1973/04/10/archives/2-drink-strychnine-at-service-and-die-in-display-of-faith.html According to world-renowned New Testament expert Dr. Bart Ehrman: "the bible is full of lies", the gospel stories are "fabricated accounts", and the books of the New Testament are "forgeries built on lies." www.huffingtonpost.com/bart-d-ehrman/the-bible-telling-lies-to_b_840301.html
It's amazing to me that Monty Python got in so much trouble for The Life of Brian. If they had ACTUALLY made fun of the Bible, like including a monster from outer space, or a horde of undead descending on Jerusalem, it probably never would have got made.
I preferred the "not the 9 oclock news' version where the bible movie is accused of slandering monthy python with even the main characters initials being the same....JC .. hahah.....
The Life of Brian actually does make fun of the Bible, and does it beautifully.
It did actually include monsters from outer space. They saved Brian in their ship when he fell from the tower!😀
Oh shit you're right!!!! Forgive me Monty. @@Flubbydubbydoodoo
What a coincidence seeing you here. What got you interested in this video? You have great musical taste by the way.
I will forever be grateful to my parents for bringing me up without all that nonsense
Richard Carrier is not a New Testament scholar, and he contradicts mainstream NT scholarship. You'll get the truth and facts on Gary Habermas and Mike Licona's channels
still trying to forgive mine for brainwashing me
I was never raised up on this. I read and accepted the Gospels as true as an adult.
@@kevinstreeter6943So have you now realized what a pile of CRAP your religion is?
As i curse my grandparents grandparents for the religious deception they fell for and passed on
This lecture really helps me appreciate the gospels as literature. Really elaborate and complex storytelling with stories embedded within each other. I remember JD Crossan saying that the ancients understood that this was myth and could value myth as complex moral lessons, unlike our present day believers.
I'd take a lot of Richard Carrier's work with a very large pinch of salt. The Bible is full of nonsense, but not to the extent that Carrier says. He's also factually wrong on a lot of the things he says
T H I’m gathering this as I’ve watched more of his lectures. He avoids seeming defensive by preemptively attacking his would be doubters throughout the lecture. He’s a great speaker for sure. The more I’ve read the more he seems overconfident in his Philo Of Alexandria hypotheses. I’m intrigued in seeing more secular scholars debate the historicity of Jesus Christ but it would be preferable for it to be by people who don’t just outright find Christianity offensive. I like carrier, but he sometimes comes across as a disillusioned former Christian. I like the point he makes that there are too many Jesus apologists with evangelical agendas in the field. But I also don’t think historians with a grudge is any better.
But is it good literature? I mean I like Homer, but...
Jeffrey Hughes I personally like that there’s poetry to the structure, and that there are elaborate ideas within the plot. But complexity doesn’t necessarily make it good literature. I think it’s important to be able to make the option that religious writings can be appreciated as literature and that some of it is amazing and some of it is awful. There’s a book that was helpful in this type of appreciation called “the enjoyment of scripture “
its yaboii I mean if you believe that Jesus is god and god can do the impossible, of course you would hold Jesus to that standard. I personally don’t think that either being religious or atheist is easy. Life is hard no matter what. You just have different obstacles. Your experience might make theism harder so it’s a relief to have freedom from that. I think we hold on to stories that have meaning and show us a path. Sometimes science or idealism are a good vehicle for it. Some people need a supernatural narrative and belief adds value to that narrative. I don’t like to knock people for their beliefs. People’s behavior on the other hand is worth serious criticism. Sometimes unhealthy behavior comes from belief systems and that’s also worth examining.
It just amazes me that people don’t get what is obviously a myth.
I understand, especially when ur raised in some sort of religion ur whole life. People are real gullible and believe anything without evidence doesn’t matter how ridiculous it sounds. I mean look at heavens gate cult which they killed them selves believing they would go on a spaceship. So many religions, even our famous actors like Tom cruise believe Scientology
@James Henry Smithshow your proof without referencing the Bible? Because that isn't proof for your belief based on faith.
@James Henry Smith You are delusional
It's so shocking. Even more, they will swiftly point out how mythological other religions sound.
@@ndeamonk24 Christians perceive themselves as special, superior and the chosen ones, when compared to others. Hence they get offended when we say their Bible is another stupid desert mythology
Watching a video about how Jesus was likely a mythical character and TH-cam decides to place a pro-Christian ad on it. Well done, TH-cam.
I strongly suspect those are targeted. I get them too, when I watch skeptical or atheist content.
HODthunderwolf, the jokes on anyone who takes this clown seriously
@@michaelbrickley2443 Hey clown, “A fool will believe anything”(Prov. 14:15). Anytime you want to prove your book of debunked ancient fairy tales with the talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, which promises magic poison resistance to believers---go ahead! "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). So post your video demonstrating the magic poison-resistance superpowers that Lying Jesus promised! It's not like the Bible is full of lies, right? Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina: "But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that *the Bible is full of lies* , even if they refuse to use the term." - Who Wrote The Bible and Why It Matters
That's why I pay premium
The more you know, The less you believe in myth.
@Leon thecat Is that true?
@Leon thecat All the time. Funny thing is, almost all of the biggest contributors to science and human advancement historically have been Christian.
@Leon thecat The list of Christians that contributed to the field of science is a quite bit more extensive than that. If your claim is all or even most scientific thinkers of antiquity were "pretending" to be Christian, you would have to support it with evidence. Also, why do you think science and religion have to be at odds? Plenty of modern Christian scientists and doctors would scoff at the idea. Ever consider they are intended to address different aspects of reality?
@Leon thecat *"These stories were presented and disseminated to placate and control the base instincts of the masses"*
To be brief, religion deals with morality and the concept of right and wrong. This isn't within the purview of science, which is intended to tell us what's true about the physical world. If by "control" you mean it lays ground work for how we should treat each other, then for that I am grateful. You should be as well. Do you believe in objective morality? That is, a standard of right and wrong that transcends the personal opinions of all humans?
The bible is not a science book btw. If you've categorized it as such you're doing it and yourself a disservice.
@Leon thecat *"The bible presents itself as a science book."*
Have you read the bible? It's a collection of 66 books from 40 different authors. These books have varying genres, from proverbs, poetry in song of Solomon, and recorded history in books like Kings and Chronicles. The main "scientific" claim that the bible makes is that the universe had a beginning. Something that we've recently confirmed with the BGV theorem.
*"Morality? Hogwash."*
You still haven't answered the question. Do you believe that an objective moral standard exists? Can't use evolution, because some people have "evolved" to think murder is acceptable. If that's the case, how can we say that they are acting immorally?
If Spider-Man didn't exist then how did he defeat the Green Goblin! In your face, Spider-Man disbelievers!
Holy Ghostbuster hahaha!🤟
If only we were all as dumb as you lol
@Bran Evans Speaking of childish, anytime you want to prove your book of debunked ancient fairy tales with the talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, which promises magic poison resistance to believers---go ahead! "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" www.nytimes.com/1973/04/10/archives/2-drink-strychnine-at-service-and-die-in-display-of-faith.html
@Bran Evans Jesus is a greek name
911 sorted that one out for those living in fantasy land. Where was super man then?
Table of Contents
00:00 - 01:33 Introduction.
01:34 - 03:57 Formal and informal criteria for analysis.
03:58 - 05:52 Gospels don't even look like history or even other ancient histories.
05:53 - 07:46 Markers of myth in ancient world
07:47 - 09:14 Gospels lack corroboration.
09:15 - 15:34 Gospels are filled with the improbable (natural, miraculous, cultural, and historical improbabilities).
15:35 - 15:38 Emulating other myths.
15:39 - 16:08 Jesus emulates Moses.
16:09 - 22:38 Example of Jesus emulating Moses (The 10 Miracles of Jesus - Decalogue of Jesus).
22:38 - 23:05 Jesus emulates Elijah/Elisha from Kings narrative (list form).
23:06 - 24:32 Example of Jesus emulating Elijah/Elisha.
24:33 - 25:27 Description of Ring Structure.
25:28 - 25:31 Inclusio in Markan Sandwiches.
25:32 - 26:07 Inclusio in Mark #1 (Woman bleeding 12 years, 12 year old girl resurrected - Old/New Israel)
26:08 - 29:02 Inclusio in Mark #2 (Jesus, The Cursed Fig Tree, Clearing the Temple - Old/New Israel)
29:03 - 30:36 Parallels in Baptism and Crucifixion in John.
30:37 - 33:21 Triadic cycles in Mark.
33:22 - 36:22 The entire Gospel of Matthew is a chiasmus.
36:23 - 38:38 The entire crucifixion narrative in Matthew is a chiasmus.
38:39 - 39:21 The Sermon on the Mount was likely written in Greek and is a construction.
39:24 - 41:34 Parallel between boy Jesus in Temple and Jesus appearing going to Emmaus in Luke.
41:35 - 42:25 Parallel stories within in Gospel of John.
42:26 - 47:06 Jesus' boyfriend in John.
47:07 - 51:12 Lazarus was mythical at first then historicized (Euhemerized) in John.
51:13 -53:39 Response to common objections in Proving History. (Rapid legendary development, Myths would be gainsaid, We can recover history)
53:40 - 54:02 Concluding remarks.
54:03 - 57:37 C.H.R.E.S.T.U.S. computer app.
57:38 Beginning of questions from audience.
If video maker wants to put this in description I'm fine with that.
superdog797 sup
Are you Jesus? I mean Moses?
@@daltonlucas5529 Don't you know that if a man hath long hair, it is a shame unto him? 1 Corinthians 11:14
@@daltonlucas5529 “The overwhelming scholarly consensus today is that Moses is a mythical figure." bible.org/seriespage/1-current-attitudes-bible-history-and-archaeology
@@daltonlucas5529 Dr. Israel Finkelstein, Professor of the Archaeology of Israel, Tel Aviv University: "Jewish archaeologists have found no historical or archaeological evidence to back the biblical narrative on the Exodus, the Jews’ wandering in Sinai or Joshua’s conquest of Canaan. On the alleged Temple of Solomon, Finkelstein said that there is no archaeological evidence to prove it really existed."
www.middleeastmonitor.com/20140220-senior-israeli-archaeologist-casts-doubt-on-jewish-heritage-of-jerusalem/
@@daltonlucas5529 Dr. William G. Dever, Professor of Near Eastern Archaeology and Anthropology at the University of Arizona, "My view all along-and especially in the recent books-is first that the biblical narratives are indeed 'stories,' often fictional and almost always propagandistic." www.bibleinterp.com/articles/Contra_Davies.shtml
so Moses didnt exist? but i saw the movie!!
I saw the moon landing on tv too. It must be true
@@louiseleite3866 Well atleast people saw the rocket take off...
@@caraxes_noodleboi yeah, because that's the same thing 😹😹😹
@@louiseleite3866 the reason why you can have youtube and post emojis is because of science. wifi is true regardless whether u can see it. if moon landing is a hoax, it is the failure of politicians, not the failure of science. Moses if real is someone who is so weak he can't even bring clean running water in a water pipe, and his god is so weak it can't even bring light in an electrical bulb to the people they favour.
If Moses is real, Monkey God is more real than Moses, his master Xuanzang is a real historical person who lived in Tang dynasty.
Another reason they didn't need Judas to identify Jesus is that Jesus was, according to all the pictures, the only white dude in Palestine
Don’t worry, Jesus loves dumb people too
I watch some of these atheist analyses of the New Testament and now Facebook is filling my feed with preachers.
I was asked to watch his ideo on Historical Jesus. After the first 28 minutes I had a headache from picking at all the onsense.
Resisting truth is harder than embracing it.
I have the opposite of your problem and mine is filled with atheists...that's weird...😕
@in777sight why do you say Abraham is called murder?
@@stompthedragon4010 if you really want to know the history of the Bible then look up Father Mitch.
Dr Carrier has a rocking voice, but it's impossible to fall asleep because he really nails his domain.
He is obviously the Master of His Domain.
I often sleep to carrier lectures, it's soothing to me like some kind of atheist scripture. Lol
Amazing how people like Dr. Carrier are so fixated on this subject, being Anti-Christ. Why doesn't he look at Islam and others.
@@nickc8819 he touches on Islam in other lectures.
@@nickc8819 He has mentioned in other lectures that Islam is not his specialty. He only speaks to subjects that are his specialty - he is a scholar and has his PhD in the history and science of ancient Greece and Rome (the birthplace of the new testament). He is not an Arabic or Persian historian. If he was he would speak to Islam. He has said he doesn't speak about topics in which he has no expertise - like any reputable scholar.
Just as West Side Story is a remake of Romeo and Juliet, Romeo and Juliet itself is a remake of Ovid's Pyramus and Thisbe.
the story goes back to Babylon which probably got it from the Sumerians....
...which Shakespeare reprises in the last act of Midsummer Night's Dream.
Came across this information - www.doesgodexistandbeyond.com/evidenceoftheresurrection/ looks at Christianity with Reason and Logical Evaluation, using Evidences and Sources that establishes reasons for Truthful reporting. Explains Proven Biblical Manuscript History ( Historiography ) as the most testified in ancient antiquity.
www.doesgodexistandbeyond.com/manuscriptevidenceofthebiblepages/ and Answers Sceptic Accusations trying to discredit the Witness Accounts. As well simplifies what a person must do to be saved - www.doesgodexistandbeyond.com/saved-in-christ/ Has information not very well known. Worth a read
I hate to break it to you but Romeo and Juliet happens every year all over the world. 2 people fall in love against their respective families wishes and get killed for it. That's what myths are. Real stories that get blistered up for effect.
So u believe in Jesus ??
the cursing of the fig tree is the first story that built a doubt in my head while i was reading the bible in my younger years.
@@bulbul6011 so....?????
@@bulbul6011 Yr reply is not fitting to the comment. He said something about the tree and you reply with some statistic what have nothing to the with the comment
@@fullmoon5799 “Fools will believe anything” (Prov. 14:15, New Century Version). Anytime you want to prove your book of debunked ancient fairy tales with the talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, which promises magic poison resistance to believers---go ahead! "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). Go ahead! You believe what some anonymous ancient scribes claim that Jesus said, right? What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" - 2 Drink Strychnine At Service and Die In Display of Faith, New York Times. It's not like the Bible is full of lies, right? Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina: "But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that THE BIBLE IS FULL OF LIES, even if they refuse to use the term." - Who Wrote The Bible and Why It Matters
It is supposed to be a metaphor because He is going to curse at you for not accepting them, even though they are not ready to accept him. Yeah it still doesn’t make sense even as a metaphor it seems to make him a “might makes right” helpless bully.
TIME TO MAKE STUDENT LOAN PAYMENTS CHILDREN OF ACIDEMIA ⚖️💸💸⚖️💸
The viral nature of religion;
The following Christian groups appeared between the beginnings of the Christian religion to the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. Not all believed in the divinity of Jesus, each had their own holy scriptures or interpretations of holy writings, the Bible did not exist.
• Adamites
• Ebionites
• Elcesaites
• Marcionism
• Nazarenes
Unlike the previously mentioned groups, the following are all considered to be related to Christian Gnosticism.
• Bardaisanites
• Basilideans
• Carpocratianism
• Nicolaitans
• Sethianism
• Simonians (sometimes considered proto-Gnostic)
• Valentinianism
Medieval sects
The following are groups of Christians appearing between the First Council of Nicaea and the Protestant Reformation which are generally considered extinct as modern and distinct groups, many at the hands of the most dominant Christian cult, Roman Catholicism.
• Agonoclita
• Beguines and Beghards
• Bogomilism
• Bosnian Church
• Brethren of the Free Spirit
• Catharism
• Donatism
• Dulcinian
• Friends of God
• Patarines
Since medieval times there has been an explosion (a big Bang) of different sects, cults, orthodoxies and churches all claiming to be the true followers of Christ which of course includes the Apologetics movement as a distinct theocracy.
Jesus was simply a figure head, Modern Christianity is big business with a fantasy figure head.
mdac34 what a moronic thing to say I take it that you were there when your god went abracadabra and the universe came into view lmfao
@BTIsaac :D
@in777sight A Bronze Age Donald Trump?
I seem to never tire of hearing Dr. Carrier speak or debate on this topic, he knows it so well.
Lol - No he doesnt. Having a degree in Theology and Semitic history and languages I can tell you from a scholarly standpoint if he didnt have phd at the end of his name not a single person would even sit there and listen to that.
Everything well 97 percent of everything he says is easily provably false. The guys a liar. Its not much more complicated than that. Be interested to have him audited and so whos paying his light bill ;)
+The Truth Channel:
Such as?
The Truth Channel please present that proof.
+The Truth Channel " 97 percent of everything he says is easily provably false." - How do you know? Where you there?
+Καρλ Αντονέσκου Listen more carefully please. Carrier is not denying the existence per se. His is questioning the mythology surrounding the history, The Jews realise there is no historical basis to their religion. Islam will fall after Christianity falls. The Dramatis Personae is the same in all three.
It’s hard to believe that in the third decade of the twenty first century, people are still worshiping gods.
It’s incomprehensible to me that people can be so deluded and can’t face the simple fact that we’re born, we live and we die and that’s it.
It’s really not that complicated.
Good luck with that.
Wouldn’t it be good to believe in that that’s like saying you’re just a bundle of dna that goes for a big sleep lot of people could just do whatever they like no spirt no will no hope no nothing no miracles if you’ve never heard of Fatima a place in Portugal find out what happened thier then tell me how it’s not true I believe in it so please take away my faith in the story should be easy for you I obviously have a low iq and never Question things that are true and amazing so I look forward to your intelligent humiliation if you’re unable maybe your wrong
You know there is no proof god doesn’t exists, science can’t discredit if there is a god or not. Also Abrahamic faiths are not the only faiths, you think the Dharmic faiths are just like the Abrahamic faiths.
Fatima
Who or what do YOU worship, Slave?
I'm wondering how many people in the audience have read the entire old and new testament so they make, by themselves, an informed opinion?
You don't need to have read the entire bible to understand what Carrier is saying.
Am so glad that there are incredible people like Richard, who dedicate their expertise to picking apart these myths.
Here, here. It's a shame most people can't see the myths and stupid gospel stories for what they are.
@in777sight Don't murder any little boys today just because some psycho who hears voices claims that Jesus ordered you to: "Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man." (Numbers 31: 17-18)
@in777sight If your imaginary god was real, he wouldn’t need pathetic douchebags to defend him by making lame-ass TH-cam comments with *NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER* !!! Instead, he would’ve provided you with magic prayer superpowers so that you could simply upload a video showing you regrowing the missing limb of an amputee. "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer" (Matt. 21:22), "Truly, truly, I say to you, whatever you ask of the Father in my name, he will give it to you" (John 16:23), "whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours" (Mark 11:24), "Nothing will be impossible for you" (Matt. 17:20). LOL! This is yet another way we know your debunked book of ancient fairy tales is false. Believers *DON’T* have any of the magic prayer superpowers, which is why the best you can do is make TH-cam comments…just like every other deluded worshiper of any other god. Right? Your comments *PROVE* that the Bible is false. So great job!
@in777sight Dr. Burton Mack, professor emeritus in early Christianity at the Claremont School of Theology: "The Gospels are fictional mythologies" www.harpercollins.com/9780060655181/who-wrote-the-new-testament/
@in777sight Dr. Alvar Ellegård, Professor at the University of Gothenburg, "the Jesus of the Gospels is essentially a myth. The Gospels are largely fiction." journals.lub.lu.se/index.php/scandia/article/download/1078/863
its a sad sad state of society if we have to deeply analyze gospel to determent whether its fact or fiction.
In a healthy non stupid non crazy society anyone who read the gospel or the bible as a whole know automatically that it is a myth, a fairy tale, a fable and definitely not a fact. How sad that a discussion like this have to existed to educated society, can you imagine giving a christian the seiyu book (story of monkey king) and have to explain that it is only a myth, a buddhist origin story but still just a myth, the christian would say "of course it is a myth, why are you telling me this?" but they wont understand why non christian consider bible as also a myth. It is sad how religion made human stupid and insane
It’s plausible. Much more than other religions. The fact that we exist at all is weird. It’s a question we’ve asked for a long time. It’s just weird how sophisticated we are. Even the people you’d deem stupid are incredibly well made. It’s a wonder we can even express thoughts with each other. The human body is ridiculously well made. The universe is enormous and complex. It’s amazing that the chemistry happens to allow this beautiful world to exist the way it does with humans capable of understanding it. It’s incredible that we can create beauty and experience love the way we do. Even if you adhere to a purely naturalistic world view, it’s still amazing. Anyways, the point of that was just to say our existence here demands an explanation. Christianity is different from Buddhism, because for one, the sources are way closer and way more reliable, and for two Jesus was a historical person in the eyes of most scholars. Carrier is the minority opinion. Also, I think a purely naturalistic world view is foolish; just because you or I haven’t personally witnessed miracles doesn’t mean they haven’t occurred.
what is plausible? the bible? how?
nothing weird about the fact that we exist, which part of it is weird? we are made from mostly carbon, the most active atom of all, it can made "in theory" an infinite chain of molecule since it can bond without limit to almost any other atom, and guess what? carbon is the 3rd most common element in universe, in other word we are just a common good, a random chance bound to happen, now if we are silicone base lifeforms then you can made an argument why we are special, but carbon base lifeform? mehhh its a dime a dozen
I can see that you are not very well educated on science, so i can see why you have such a wrong perception of human body, the fact is human body is ridiculously flawed there is almost nothing of human body can be consider "well made" starting from only having 1 passage for eating and breathing which allow most human to choke on their food, also fact that our head is much bigger than vagina hole when we are born which made an act of just being born a struggle between life or death (most animal dont have that disadvantage), we are considerably slower an weaker than most other animal our size especially if you compare our muscle quality to gorilla or any other ape, and our immune system are beyond pathetic if you compare them to just about any animal, most of our DNA is a junk DNA who have no purpose, its like a blue print for 100 story building but the one who got made is the first floor and the last floor only, which in most case create many defect on our body like cancer or deformation. I could go on and on about how not well made human bodies are.
What do you meant the source for christianity are closer???? seriously i dont understand the logic of that particular argument? and more reliable??? that even made less sense, how? you cannot just made a proclamation without backing it up with evidence, to buddhist their mythology is closer and more reliable.
I dont care if most scholar thinks jesus was a historical person or not, i only care about evidence, which in jesus case it have none what so ever, a complete 0% evidence of jesus of the bible myth ever been recorded by secular historian and that made the claims very dubious, but back to the story of monkey king "thong sam chong" is an actual historical person, he was a monk who were adopted by the second king of tang dynasty "lie see min" his name is recorded in the royal archive of tang heredity, now the story of how he made a journey to the west accompany by a monkey god, a pig demigod, a river demon and a white dragon, now that part is just a myth like the bible, but the part of thong sam chong being a real historical person is way more credible than jesus as historical person.
And lastly a purely naturalistic world view is the one and only way to not be a foolish person, people who have non naturalistic view is by definition "foolish" and most likely insane. If you or i or anyone who never witness a so called "miraculous" event, then the only sane thing to do is not to believe such things ever happen, believe should be base on evidence, not hearsay, if something have not been proven to be correct then no one who is not crazy should ever believe it .
Wow, what kind of psycho tells gullible fanatics that they can *drink deadly poison* without harm? "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). What could go wrong?
"A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service"
www.nytimes.com/1973/04/10/archives/2-drink-strychnine-at-service-and-die-in-display-of-faith.html
Roma X I’m sorry, you’re just taking everything for granted. Our existence isn’t as simple as you want to make it. A lot of things had to go right to get us here. This is evidenced by the fact that there is no complex life anywhere else in the observable universe. The human body is wonderfully made despite the fact that “our muscles” aren’t as good as apes. Little silly, but whatever. Point is, we are a system of extremely complex parts that gives us the experience of consciousness and all that comes with it. You want to act like humans aren’t “miraculous,” while you use a device that can send information all over the world because the human being learned about quantum mechanics. Also, I think your info on the junk dna is dated. In fact a lot of the stuff you told me you might want to re-research. Like the way dna works at all.
When I said sources I meant like historical sources. It isn’t a X religion feels there’s is closer kind of statement. Look up how close extant manuscripts are to the originals and how close the originals are to the event. Christianity will fair better. And more reliable means that the text was transmitted more accurately when copied, so we have a much better idea of the what the original was.
You actually believe most scholars count him as historical on no evidence?
Dee Bunker pretty sure that was a late edition. Aka not original to the text.
The great historians of the time who were not Christians verify that Christ indeed existed: Josephus, Tacitus, etc. We also have the Pilate Stone dated 26 to 36 AD.
They don't. @@MrMortal_Ra
@@cranialtyrant Lol. So your telling me that confirmation with no express of criticism whatsoever from two of the most best and most reliable historians of the ancient world each one independently attestation to Jesus and his crucifixion under Pilate, isn’t evidence? What a fucking joke. You better have a good objection.
I agree with you. In any event, PHD's and other titles do not necessarily mean that one understands the spiritual realm, which supercedes the physical realm - 1 Cor. 2:14.
@@jskok3280 😂😂 How about you put that so called spiritual knowledge on a degree or academic paper.
@@MrMortal_Ra - No thanks. I am not interested to impress anyone. BUT we( a colleague and I) have written dozens of spiritual teachings, containing hundreds and hundreds of pages which are also available on video on you tube, etc, about inner healing and deliverance under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. We give Jesus all the glory for it. Regards.
Thanks for bringing up the killing of a fig tree along with the thousand swine. I always found the story of the fig tree to be perhaps the most bizarre after the walking on water.
You never given thought that none of the events are dated?
As a child I was introduced to God before the bible stories.
*I believe that made it easier not to believe the bible STORIES!*
The definition of story is a lie, fable, imaginary.
I'm talking 8 years old at this time, but I Kept Searching For God!
*What I Was Taught, I Had To Seek God Out For Myself!*
I never found him.
I did find that All churches are telling lies of what the bible says Even If Was True Facts.
The Moral Of The Bible Says TO WORSHIP GOD PRIVATELY IN YOUR OWN HOME.
Don't Seek Knowledge Of God From Holy People.
YOU HAVE COPIES OF THE SCRIPTURES, Why do you need someone to read them to you?
Yeah, sounds like even Jesus could be a real jerk on some days. Poor fig tree was just doing its best, what it was created by God to do. Maybe Jesus had some daddy issues.
I don't really give a fig about the tree, unlike those poor pigs. :-(
..... As for the 'walking on water' ability .... the illusion of it may be possible by using a tight rope under the water ..... it surprises me that no-one has ever attempted to re-created it ..... xx
Tight rope! Love it😆
Religion is merely the mythology that people believe at present.
Mark. Sure. Doesn't make it real though.
Allah is very real to suicide bombers.
Doesn't mean they're getting 72 virgins though.
God, who'd want that?
rationalguy I like the cat avitar.
I can see why.
Yeah. It might just be 72 neckbeards playing World of Warcraft in their Moms' basements!
rationalguy all hail the meowpocalypse!
Curses the fig tree for not having fruit, then overturns all the moneylenders tables in the temple. Obviously he was very hangry!
anger is not written about for these 2, nor is it needed for action
@in777sight Jesus committed assult?
@in777sightJesus attempted murder and has insighted murder gospel of luke. And book of revelation says jesus will kill those that don't believe him.
God said did not kill? don't make me laugh.
The retroactive fan fiction of the New Testament is clever from a literary standpoint. Sort of how Back to the Future 2 used the events from the first film to expound the overall story arch. Good stuff Richard!
The Harry Potter version is way better. No one has to worship the genocidal maniac or suffer for eternity.
In a theocracy where pork is considered unclean, where does one find 2000 pigs?
Roman garrison camp.
The 2,000 pigs are a metaphor for the Roman 10th Fretensis Legion that was in the area of Syria and Galilee during Jesus' lifetime. Its battle flags carried the image of a wild boar (or pig) as its mascot. So when Jesus drives the "legion" from the demoniac, he is referring to a Roman legion of 2,000 troops that have a wild boar as their mascot image. So basically, Carrier hasn't done his homework on this. Metaphors can be used to disguise historical events, especially among populations occupied by foreign powers.
The problem is many fundamentalists believe they were real pigs and real deamons
@@allenhonaker4107 Apparently, so does Richard Carrier.
One Gospel says it happened in Gerasa, the modern day city of Jerash in Jordan 🇯🇴.
This was an area with a strong Hellenistic element, ever since the conquest by Alexander the Great. You can still see the Greek amphitheater and the Roman ruins there.
So yes, it’s highly likely.
Nobody takes the story of the boy who cried wolf as historically accurate either, but it still has meaning.
Even lies have meaning. Do you mean applicability, and testibilty, and proveability, and probability?
@@letsomethingshine YOU ARE SO INTELLIGENT 🤓
TIME TO MAKE STUDENT LOAN PAYMENTS CHILDREN OF ACIDEMIA ⚖️💸💸💸💸
So what is the meaning of the Bible if it is just invented stories? Like the boy who cried wolf story, there are many cautionary tales in the Bible which have meaning but are nothing to do with religion. Those stories are mostly very much older than Christianity.
Around 25:00 there is a fascinating analysis of Ring Structure in the gospels - very worthwhile to watch.
Tiqqiya
Everyone is entitled to speak, but no one is required to listen.
pglover2010 Pardon?
When history meets fiction,Humans will hold onto the promise of the myth that fiction produces.Reality and logic become blurred because it causes people to apply reason. The average christian or Muslim will tell you that logic and reason or not applicable to critique the written word of God or his anointed. lol.
Humans will diligently listen to a bias assessment disagreeing with the same thing they disagree with blinding themselves to the obvious bias contained within.
" I disagree with this this makes no sense."
Watching this is like watching a cookie commercial that simply says "which one would you rather have? This gross cookie? Or this decadently delicious cookie?"
Carrier was supposed to be smart, yet he makes idiotic mistakes. He claims the Gospels dont ever doubt anything- does he not know doubting Thomas or Matthew 28;17?
“Myth is more important than history. History is arbitrary, a collection of facts. Myth we choose, we create, we perpetuate. The story may not be correct but it transcends truth. It’s like religion - beyond facts. Myth trumps fact, always does, always has, always will.” -- From A Voyage Long and Strange by Tony Horwitz © 2008, quote from well-known minister, Peter Gomes.
@@sjdesign6575 Perhaps you're the one making the idiotic mistakes. How would the anonymous gospel authors, who don't even claim to be eyewitnesses, have known the story about 'doubting Thomas' was true? How about the claim that Jesus’ mother was impregnated by a god and gave birth as a virgin? Paul says nothing about this, nor do any of the 1st century epistle writers, nor do the anonymous authors of Mark or John. Only 2 of the 4 gospel authors make this claim, and how could they know? Did they witness God impregnating Jesus’ mother? Did they inspect pregnant Mary's vagina to confirm that her hymen was intact? Did they have her gynecological reports? 😉 😊 😋 You can't possibly know this, and THEY couldn't have known, and they don't even claim to be eyewitnesses of anything, and there is *ZERO* evidence for this claim. But we have *LOTS* of evidence for liars, right?
@UCe1Slh23ygrEcrB8leXsFkQ It is! Interesting to me that it came from a well-known and respected cleric. Apparently the fairytale is ok by him. I think he made a pretty good living from it, too..
Try explaining this to a ledge headed Christian.
Remember anything that approaches cognite dissonance means that 'god is testing their faith'. Don't want to be on 'loves' naughty list... 🔥🔥🔥🔥
@01:15 ”if I seem kinda weird, it's uh...the DRUGS...hehehe”
even knowing the context, there had to be a better punch line. daamm.
anyone got link on the app? i cant find it on googleplay.
I will say with sincerety that I've never met a christian who I would consider to be an intelligent person.
It's very curious that every time I watch an atheist-themed video the ad that runs before it is invariably pro-Christian. Weird...
It's a plot by the Illuminati!
Not as weird as when, after the Bible is read, people search for any reason not to accept it, whether the reason is rational or not.
@@midwestDaniel Definitely rational. Likely because they have more than two brain cells.
The ad-makers know from the title or the name of the maker, if from nothing else, that the video debunks religion. They make arrangements with TH-cam to run their paid ads, in an effort to counteract the video. (TH-cam -- not the video maker -- controls the selection and placement of ads, and TH-cam is not going to reject a chance to get money.)
@@midwestDaniel i mean the first chapter needs work...nobody really has to go looking far to see this
"Do not put me to the test" said the liar to the fool. Liars hate to have their claims tested...because they know they will fail. They have to get people to trust them on faith for their lie to hold up!
What else would the gospels be? How else could they possibly be classified?
When I was a Christian, the credibility of the Bible was beyond controversy. And so, even as my faith eroded over decades... the Bible yet retained a lingering place of incontrovertible deference.
Recently, I became aware that this had changed. We were watching a court scene in a film. A witness was called and asked to swear on the Bible that his testimony would be truthful. But when the Bible was solemnly brandished, it suddenly became clear that an oath sworn on this collection of fairytales was meaningless. How would we all respond if witnesses were required to swear their oaths on Grimm’s fairytales; or 1001 nights?
you can literally swear on a math textbook now if you want to lol
To be honest... if allowed, I'd swear on the lord of the rings ;) (or maybe the Silmarillion)
I know. Christian beliefs are based on 100% circular reasoning.
When I was a Christian ????? so u turn away from the truth to believe the evil lies of men and turn way from god love in Jesus Christ as u want to follow blindness into a forever place of nowhere good
Without the Roman Caesar, your religion would not exist. Jesus didn’t start the church or the Christian religion himself. When I started adherence to reason over faith is when certainty, wonder and security increased for me.
Imagine that someday someone will find a record of Star wars, Avengers or Game of thrones, believing that it was real and it is very likely that this hypothetical moment is already in the past.
Петър Петров what you just said proves that you’re not intelligent at all. The comparison is pretty idiotic and I’m not even a bible thumper.
Imagine that someday 1,800 years from now nobody will believe that any of our first 50 presidents existed because Liberal Professors will be able to come up with every trick imaginable to explain away anything that looks like solid evidence. Don’t believe me? Well here’s a mental exercise. Try convincing me that George Washington actually existed. There is zero “proof” that he existed.
Most likely some one will do that
That will never happen. We are living in the age of superior technology and people in the future will be way to smart
Pound4Pound, have you seen the movie W.A.L.L.- E? Did it look like those people were getting smarter because of their technology dependance?
We know the bible is inspired by an all-powerful God of love because it promotes wholesome family values: "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love , or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, 'Let us go and worship other gods'...Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people." (Deut. 13:6-9)
Hi Dee, I just drank some poison and my pet rattlesnake just bit me...I'm not feelin' too good...Now here is the question: are ya gonna just keep typin all day long, tellin' everyone how stupid I am, or are ya gonna get off that cum-put-er and DO something..HELP!!......perhaps you have some dissability or disfigurement that is holding you back, but honest, take a risk, Get out of that room, go volunteer somewhwere. I joke about Athiest funded food banks and Agnostic sponsored homeless shelters but honestly, we don't care what you look like or what your beliefs are...We need your heart more than we need your mind. I want to encourage you Dee, get outside, volunteer, you might like some of us bible totin' crazies...and we might love you!!!. Go out and meet us. We might dissagree and still be your best buddy. Sendin' you love, friend.
We know the bible is inspired by an all-powerful God of love because of its advanced, practical solutions to life problems: like what to do if you're in a fight and a girl grabs your junk?!! "If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, *you shall cut off her hand* . Show her no pity" (Deuteronomy 25:11-12). Thanks, Yahweh! I personally wouldn't have thought to handle it that way due to my modern sense of ethics, morality and empathy, but obviously a loving, all-knowing, super-intelligent deity would know better than I would.
Brother Dee is my buddy so don't all you christian baby killers go and start yellin' at him just because he is spoutin' off old Levitical/Deut laws that expired 2000 years ago..He knows that. He is just havin' fun...Give Dee some love...and maybe a copy of the New Testament...He may not have that one...
@@standswithfist806 You almost made sense and then you didn't.
@@standswithfist806 stop the bullshit
And the anti Jesus brigade has a champion.
Richard carrier has done some phenomenal work here.
nothing to do with anti-jesus, and all to do with evidence based analysis. The fables read as such, avoids the schizoid approach to modern interpretation as we see in the muslim faith.
More like PRO TRUTH
Came across this information - www.doesgodexistandbeyond.com/evidenceoftheresurrection/ looks at Christianity with Reason and Logical Evaluation, using Evidences and Sources that establishes reasons for Truthful reporting. Explains Proven Biblical Manuscript History ( Historiography ) as the most testified in ancient antiquity.
www.doesgodexistandbeyond.com/manuscriptevidenceofthebiblepages/ and Answers Sceptic Accusations trying to discredit the Witness Accounts. As well simplifies what a person must do to be saved - www.doesgodexistandbeyond.com/saved-in-christ/ Has information not very well known. Worth a read
The Demand for a Sign.
Mark 8:11-12
11
* The Pharisees came forward and began to argue with him, seeking from him a sign from heaven to test him.
12
He sighed from the depth of his spirit and said, “Why does this generation seek a sign? Amen, I say to you, no sign will be given to this generation.”
@@Arvind8558 and even if it was right in front of them they wouldn’t believe it anyway, all you can do is pray for them
In Supper's Ready, Peter Gabriel sang, "...there's an angel standing in the light...and he's crying! in a loud voice...this is the supper of the mighty One!"
Brilliant lecture,. his teachings will surely piss off alot of christian apologetics!Need to read his books.
Yes. His books are great.
Anyone you particularly recommend as a first read, which can be read in a laymans terms,..? I`m not a scholar.. Thanks..
Proving History is a good place.
Thanks,. Already ordered it,..
The Blind leading the blind in darkness to truth as taught in the gospels.
this is some serious dissection
When will the universities start teaching the myths of the Muslim faith and their Koran?
Maybe you can. Romans 10:15
Universities have been teaching about religions of the world and myths of the world since forever... Grade school too.
First of all it’s Quran not Koran. Sure, you’ll make the crap argument that you can spell it either way...... not hearing it. Second, don’t act like there is a love affair between the west and Islam.
It's called Religion 201
Relying on historical proof for this or that in, of all places, history, is a dubious proposition. It's fun to speculate if there ever was a Jesus or a Socrates...but that is all it is--fun. History is NOT science; it is more of an art form.
I’m glad to have this guy representing us.
I doubt he still is!
Anyone that goes to battle against the almighty, will always lose. They'd either have to be suicidal or pretty clueless!?
🥺
Actually he still is...
Preaching against the scriptures.
🤐
@@phil6bien The bible has been debunked as fiction by science, archaeology and biblical scholarship, but you can prove that it’s false yourself with a simple experiment. The anonymous scribes who wrote the fictional gospel tales claim that Jesus said: "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer" (Matt. 21:22). “Whatever you ask of the Father in my name, he will give it to you" (John 16:23), "whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours" (Mark 11:24). So go ahead and set up your video camera and pray for Jesus to appear to you right now! If my reality-based worldview is correct, nothing will happen, which I can predict in advance. But feel free to prove it to yourself that Jesus is imaginary.
To counter any excuses, the bible claims that Jesus appeared to people after his supposed death (1 Cor. 15:3-8), including the claim that he appeared to 500 people at once, and appeared to Paul. So the authors of the gospel tales knew that it was necessary to PROVE claims by having Jesus appear to people after his death in order to provide EVIDENCE that he was really resurrected.
1) If Jesus was real, and a god, he COULD appear to you, or to anyone.
2) He supposedly appeared to others in ancient stories that we have no evidence for.
3) Jesus supposedly promised to appear in response to prayers.
4) FACT: Regardless how much you pray or ask...he won't appear.
The most likely explanation for the above? Fictional literary characters can't hear prayers or do anything in real life. Jesus won’t appear because he CAN’T, and because the authors of the gospel tales were liars. Praying to Jesus is no different than praying to Spider-Man or Gandalf, or any other fictional character in a book.
Feel free to list your excuses for why Jesus doesn't appear. I'll play 'logical fallacy bingo' with your responses.
Also, why am I accurately able to predict the outcome in advance? “The predictive power of a scientific theory refers to its ability to generate testable predictions.”
By the way, liars like to say, “Do not put my lies to the test,” but those telling the truth don’t mind if you validate their claims. Right?
@James Henry Smith The bible contains such great advice for modern life! "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). Works every time! "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" - 2 Drink Strychnine At Service and Die In Display of Faith, New York Times. *WHOOOPS!*
@James Henry Smith At least there's no harm in believing a debunked book of ancient mythology with no evidence! "Christian father shot his son dead for being gay" Daily Mail. Where would he get that crazy idea? "If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." (Lev. 20:13). It's not like the bible contains proven lies by liars, right? "But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that *the Bible is full of lies* , even if they refuse to use the term." Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina, Who Wrote the Bible and Why it Matters.
So there is this god with an affinity for blood who's son rose from the dead and he hangs out with a holy ghost. Saw this episode with the vampire the zombie and the ghost on scooby doo. At least in the cartoon they always revealed it to be bullshit in the end. Keep expecting someone to say "Jinkies it's old man Smithers." ps. The Flintstones...also not a documentary
So, "darwinism" (whatever you believe it to be) influenced nazism? Wow...
First of all, how does a mere *explanation of nature's behaviour* tell anyone how they should run their lives?? You understand how "descriptive" and "prescriptive" are different things, right?
Second, *even* if you were right, so what? If a criminal ends up finding inspiration in the correct and valid work of a scientist, how does that make the scientist guilty or its work any less credible? Imagine we arrest a serial killer and, in court, we asked him *why* did he do it, just to have the raving lunatic answer that he got inspiration for his crimes in the theory of gravity!! Should we then "outlaw" gravity? Or perhaps hold gravity accountable as well (guilty by association)? Or should we just understand that crazies will be crazies?
My point is, *get real,* dude!! I know that it must suck having your pet beliefs smashed by *Science* but trying to make Science sound "guilty" somehow, just to get back at it, is dumb as shit!!! If you wanna point the finger at anyone for those millions of dead jews, point it at christianity, because it supported nazism from day one! Leave Science alone, because its goal is *saving* lives!
"Almost all Germans were Christian, belonging either to the Roman Catholic (ca. 20 million members) or the Protestant (ca. 40 million members) churches." Holocaust Encyclopedia www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005206
"A public appeal released by German Christian leaders claimed that 'the eternal God created for our nation a law that is peculiar to its own kind. It took shape in the Leader Adolf Hitler, and in the National Socialist state created by him. This law speaks to us from the history of our people...One Nation! One God! One Reich! One Church!'" Protestant Churches and the Nazi State, www.facinghistory.org/holocaust-and-human-behavior/chapter-5/protestant-churches-and-nazi-state
German Christians - "Their symbol was a traditional Christian cross with a swastika in the middle and the group's German initials "D" and "C". It was claimed and remembered, as a "fact", that the Jews had killed Christ, thus appealing to and actively encouraging existing anti-Semitic sentiment among Christians in Germany." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Christians
"Most Christians in Germany welcomed the rise of Nazism in 1933. They were also persuaded by the statement on “positive Christianity” in Article 24 of the 1920 Nazi Party Platform." - Holocaust Encyclopedia, www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005206
What was a herd of 2000 pigs doing in a country where pork is taboo?
Been asking that question for 45 years.
wild
@@jdlotus8253 : Where were those pigs, in Israel or the outskirts of Israel? Do you need 45 years to figure out this? Your ignorance is shown here.
@@rajiphilips5937 I think YOUR ignorance is shown here, alongside the revelation that you are possessed by hatred of others. Your comment isn't even relevant to the discussion.
@@jdlotus8253 : When some people do not know how to defend their argument, they speak exactly like you. So, run baby run! Instead of shooting like a blind, open your eyes and get some sense.
I'm Native Canadian..and my peoples history was oblivious to the great flood..we didn't even know about it until the Europeans brought the Bible overseas. 🤷🏾♂️
i knew J E S U S wasnt real no wonder they left Europe
im glad im n0t a CHRISTIAN
He says that the gospels were written in sophisticated Greek which is not true. The versions of the gospels we have are in koinè, pidgin Greek. I know, because we had to read them in school. Our teacher brought it in as a bit of light reading after we had done The Defence of Socrates by Plato. That is actually in Athenian Greek and it was v v difficult. The teacher thought we deserved a bit of relief after that and it was. Koinè is so simple, compared to Plato, that we could read it as we read the newspaper.
liar
It is frightening that we actually need Richard Carrier to explain to people that something so obviously absurd is absurd.
Yes, but most people lack critical thinking skills, especially if they were brainwashed by a human sacrifice cult.
@Bran Evans ROFL. Wow, you win. Pour yourself another one, scientist.
@Bran Evans "Notice again, that you failed to explain" -- This is not a venue for lecturing to the mentally lazy. Educate yourself.
"You arrogantly attack others for their beliefs" -- I did not attack you, and I couldn't care less about your beliefs. I did not know you from Adam until you came in with your sophomoric sarcasm. You're on mute now. Go preach your passive aggressive sermons somewhere else.
@Bran Evans Notice again, that you failed to explain how nothing, with absolute no mass or dimension, exploded and created a *MAGIC INVISIBLE SKY GENIE* who then used his superpowers to create the universe from nothing. If you believe that you will believe anything. Let's consider my big hairy balls. Every time I ejaculate I shoot out 250 million sperm cells in order to fertilize *ONE* egg cell per month in my wife's uterus: www.livescience.com/32437-why-are-250-million-sperm-cells-released-during-sex.html This makes no sense at all from the perspective of design if humans were designed to be monogamous when created in the magical garden with the talking snake and 'tree of life' as your book of ancient fairy tales says. Additionally, my wife has blood coming out of her vagina for 5 days every month. What a terrible design! Evolution explains this, creation does not. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sperm_competition
@Bran Evans "The burden of proof lies with someone who is making a claim, and is not upon anyone else to disprove." yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof So let me know when you find some evidence to support absurd claims about an *INVISIBLE MAGIC SKY GENIE* , or that Jesus was a *VIRGIN-BORN DEMIGOD WITH SUPERPOWERS* and that his *ROTTING CORPSE MAGICALLY RETURNED FROM THE DEAD* before levitating bodily into outer space, or evidence for the talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, etc. LOL!
Another marker or myth is a complete lack of expression of any humor. Life is...at least partly...humorous. Why do none of the historians note this fact?
In any case, I'm a great admirer of Dr. Carrier...he has exposed so much truth and written some fascinating and very important books.
Well, you are an atheistt and your source is the jewish library? That tells a lot about your so called atheism.
It happens, that nazi germany allowed the publishing of the talmud. So this it means that by pushing the racism agenda you are a type of racist and then you are already Talmudic, whether you know it or not. The Babylonian Talmud is the fount of racism. German Nazi self-worship ultimately derived, by a western occult pathway (Giordano Bruno, Johannes Reuchlin, et al.), from Kabbalistic and Talmudic doctrine.
Now... What about the nazi racist talmud?
O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews
Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.
Jews Have Superior Legal Status
Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."
Jews May Steal from Non-Jews
Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."
Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews
Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.
Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."
Jews May Lie to Non-Jews
Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.
Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human
Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals
Jesus was Hitler's Lord and Savior: "My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them" -Adolf HItler, Munich 12 April 1922; The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, Oxford University Press. pp. 19-20. en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
Well my focus without a doubt, is the monetary system. To be accurate they are not printing money out of thin air. They are "printing debt" as money, only about 3/5% is cash. It's a trick, they create "deposits" when the make loans. That's why a nation creating its own money, it's taboo.
Take a look at:
Richard Werner: Banking & The Economy
or Real Big Power: Revelations by insider Ronald Bernard-part 2.
Their hidden power, is a house of cards.
Almost everything, almost every roads, leads to ancient babylon, nowdays known as judaism. Well, the gold trap it's a part of the hegelian dialectic, of the monetary system. Money backed by gold it's not what they hate most. Actually, the debt money system goes way back around 4.000 year, to ancient babylon, with perpetual debt to the masters. The debt money system is just one of the many tentacles but it's most powerful if left in their hands, that's how they control the game, and actually nothing more than a house of cards.
Many of Paul's letters are forged - "Paul’s name was used to lend authority to the ideas of later authors who intend for readers to believe they come from Paul. In modern parlance we call such writings forgeries, but a more polite academic term is pseudonymous, meaning “falsely named.”" - Dr. James Tabor
www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/people-in-the-bible/the-quest-for-the-historical-paul/
The peer review saying that lazarus who was just risen from the dead wouldnt be able to run that fast hahahahahah ah hahahahah
looks like Lazarus ran in the first Paralympics
The United States . In 2019, Christians represent 65% of the total adult population, 43% identifying as Protestants, 20% as Catholics, and 2% as Mormons.
He would be considered a Zombie by today's standards.
13:05 The horde of undead: if you already believe Jesus came back to life and walked around, what's a horde more or less?
@@gustavmahler1466 If it says so in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, written by anonymous, biased cult members, then it MUST be a reliable source, right?
I wish they would have included the Power Point presentation in the video. Nonetheless, great lecture! Very informative and just added to my Favorites list.
Death by powerpoint ! nooooooooooo
We know the bible is true because it accurately describes historical events such as *the ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE* in Jerusalem! "The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people" (Matthew 27:52-53).
And we know this really happened because the other gospel writers confirm it! Oh, my bad, no one else mentions it. But other historians of the time confirm it! Oh, my bad, there's no record of this anywhere. But it's not like the other gospel writers or any pagan historians would've noticed *HORDES OF WALKING DEAD PEOPLE* !!! It's not like this would've been the *GREATEST NEWS STORY IN ALL HUMAN HISTORY* or anything. We know that an anonymous religious fanatic writing 60 years after the supposed events wouldn't lie about a story like this. In your face, unbelievers!
+rod of discipline, My spin on life is that drinking deadly poison just because some liar told you that Jesus said so is a good way to end yours sooner: "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service"
www.nytimes.com/1973/04/10/archives/2-drink-strychnine-at-service-and-die-in-display-of-faith.html
+Dd S, I get this all the time. Christians complain that science debunks their absurd book of ancient fables, and they say, "Well what's your alternative offer to eternal life in another dimension?" They want to be sold lies, apparently, told how to think, get their purpose in life from a book from another hairless ape who knows no more about it then they do, etc. Some people don't seem to understand that "I don't know" is honest and can be wise...as opposed to someone who pretends to know something they don't, or is ignorant of the fact that they don't know.
Socrates (470-399 BCE), considered the wisest man in the world, said, "I went and tried to explain to him that he thought himself wise, but was not really wise; and the consequence was that he hated me...So I left him, saying to myself, as I went away: Well, although I do not suppose that either of us knows anything really beautiful and good, I am better off than he is - for he knows nothing, and thinks that he knows. I neither know nor think that I know. In this latter particular, then, I seem to have slightly the advantage of him." classics.mit.edu/Plato/apology.html
It doesn't take much intelligence to critique absurd claims. Why would you leap to that insult? Maybe you are a blind believer? Maybe you are really dumb? Enlighten us please.
+Dd S, Well said. I believed all this crap too and was raised as a Christian fundamentalist. But I was the victim of a scam. I only had one side of the argument and was ignorant of the actual facts. Then I felt stupid for not noticing the obvious a lot earlier. But I didn't have any critical thinking skills or tools to sort out truth from fiction.
Guys, before you dislike or like the video, first watch it until the end. at least try to watch it untill the end, it might be helpful.
The message of Moses was tribal. The message of the Christ, whether real of just philosophical, was universal. My only problem is that it left out all the other sentient creatures of the Earth!
@@gustavmahler1466 My problem is that Cosmology, Abiogenesis and Evolution informs us how we actually got here and not some old jewish religious book filled with nonsense.
@@gustavmahler1466 Prove it! Where's your 'evidence' that "there is no god"? LOL! “The burden of proof regarding the truthfulness of a claim lies with the one who makes the claim; if this burden is not met, then the claim is unfounded.”
My favorite specious claim of the Holy Bible is Timothy 10:6: "For the love of money is the root of all evil." 2000 years ago money was almost a new invention so it should have been evident to anyone at that time that there where many forms of evil that predated it.
Lying and deceit are more likely to be the "root of all evil," but a deceptive liar isn't going to tell anyone that. They are more likely to say something that will separate someone from their money.
Flo Chartingham tell that to all those mediocre "pew warming statues" who also like money, their bragging about careers, homes, buying all the toys like BMW's and stuff! Even pastors.Not very humble, oh I've seen them!!! lots of professing church goers need a knocking down off their high and mighty horse. You know what I'm talking about.
@@EdMcCornhole If you could give me their email addresses I'll shoot them all emails right away. I'll tell them how their attitudes are shaped more by the society they are always struggling to climb to be part of a better society so they can leave the society they are in behind rather than being part of society more than paying attention to what their "Holy Scripture" says. Like the guy giving the lecture says, the Bible speaks largely from a position of assumed authority so the "pew warming statues" are only taking part in being part to sanctify their own selves/lives/wealth/authority.
The verses following Timothy 10:6 generally say to loathe "rich" people. "Rich" is a relevant term. I am rich in ways no one else might value but to go with the assumption of the text it means momentarily well endowed. There is a very distinct evil there involving "rich" people becoming the masters of society, which brings me to another evil that predates money and that is enslavement.
If there is one unifying characteristic among all people it is that no one is or ever has been perfect. Tell that to a Christian and you get summarily corrected. The Bible enslaves people to the notion that they must strive to be perfect like Jeebus. If the Bible was worth the adulation it receives it would emphasise accepting everyone and everything natural as God's creation. I don't see much of that happening.
The "christian" is held to a more rigid standard in society based on what is considered morally relevant, status quo, and are suppose to act in accordance to the scriptures. Some do, but many blend in like everybody in society. Jesus was NOT a wealthy smug overly ambitious "selfie" type and his converts should emulate the same. I'm not impressed when I see them rolling out the church parking lot in BMW's or mercedes while a true christian loses their head in a war torn country.They are suppose to be meek and humble. They live for the popularity contest like the world. They show no fortitude to what they believe and if a homeless bum on the street walked into the church they would cringe and act disdainfully. Majority are hypocrites.
My favorite miss quote is the love of money is the root of all evil. It doesn’t say “all”. It says “many”. The lust of money is the root of many evils. And the use of the word money means gold, silver coins. And yes, they had that and no it was not “new”. It funny how people have to write books telling everyone that something isn’t true - like this is a new idea. The only people buying these books are the other people that wrote books about the same thing. If I’m wrong about God and there is really nothing then it’s no big deal. I’ll die and everything is over. But if you guys are wrong and there is a God, it will be a very big problem for you. I like my chances a little better.
so you love money then?
Religion has always been about fables and stories to make sense of phenomena that humans cannot explain. This was before science.
You can't even explain how your conscience works; and you have the audacity to take on religion. Speaking of small minds.
What? Shut up.
Guess you won’t know until you die you can speed up the process with a bullet you know
@@allagatoral3839 Did Jebus miracle your computer into existence, because you wrote "science has never delivered". Shut the fuck up you stupid fucktarded fanatic.
@@jerrytang8684 Shut the fuck up fucktard, you believe fairy tales and probably think that television is magic.
Minor point I know but the stories of Jesus flying with the Devil and being fed by magical animals are not in the ‘official’ gospels.
It is not a minor point. It is sloppy scholarship like this that enables his false narrative to exist. A cursory examination of his claims reveal how ignorant they are. Roughly 80% of his presentation is made up of logical fallacies. He presents nothing new, and nothing that hasn't already been refuted. This was a complete waste of my time!
@@10188212 his work is peer-reviewed, dude. it would not have passed if it were 80% fallacy.
@@neocyte85 I too can have my peers rubber stamp crap I wrote. Peer review means you found a few people to say you did your research right. Academic journals have published fraudulent articles simply because peer review isn't the rigorous fact-check people often think it is.
And who decides what is official gospel, and what not?
The only reason the gospels that are in the bible are actually there, is because those are the ones the catholic church, aka humans, put in there.
Regarding Jesus's having a male lover, I will need to return to the original Koine Greek texts. Since Greek is such a precise, specific and exact language, this would reveal whether the the term "love" used in these instances is "eros" (romantic, sexual love), "philos" (brotherly love), "karitas" (compassionate love), or one of the more than half-dozen exact definitions.
I just checked in reference to the verse richard carrier originally provides: John 11:3, the greek word used is phileis.
@@lucapennazzi Thank you. That means love of a non-sexual kind. End of story.
Came across this information - www.doesgodexistandbeyond.com/evidenceoftheresurrection/ looks at Christianity with Reason and Logical Evaluation, using Evidences and Sources that establishes reasons for Truthful reporting. Explains Proven Biblical Manuscript History ( Historiography ) as the most testified in ancient antiquity.
www.doesgodexistandbeyond.com/manuscriptevidenceofthebiblepages/ and Answers Sceptic Accusations trying to discredit the Witness Accounts. As well simplifies what a person must do to be saved - www.doesgodexistandbeyond.com/saved-in-christ/ Has information not very well known. Worth a read
@@carl1488 This is a really bad defense for any christian belief system. The writing isn’t persuasive, uses out of context material to try and prove a point, and is mostly copy and paste. You should be ashamed of yourself.
@@lucapennazzi your going to heck
Why the one who taught everyone to love n forgive....cudnt forgive a tree??🤔
John MacArthur ... John, respectfully, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
@John MacArthur it's a metaphor ... he's not actually talking to a tree or cursing it for not producing figs ...
It shows utter foolishness when you take metaphors for truth ... I'm just gonne give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were joking with that comment.
@Bran Evans Your comment towards John is quite wicked. God will choose his own. You have no right to say what John or Gods choice is or has been. You do not know until the day of judgement. In fact, you do not even know whether you are serving the god who is satan in disguise or the true god whom no one has seen yet. Therefore do not judge, you are not the judge.
@John MacArthur
"no one knows when to take the Bible literally and when to take it figuratively."
You are correct. The bible warns about this very fact (but no one actually takes it serious). That the false believers will turn everything upside down by the end. Spiritual and Physical are switched out. Now that you know this, it is easier to revert it back to the truth since all you need to do is find out what the common interpretation is and find the twist that makes it correct again.
I will now try to answer the question on the fig tree as best as I can.
Parable of The Fig Tree:
"Early in the morning, as Jesus was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, 'May you never bear fruit again!' Immediately the tree withered. When the disciples saw this, they were amazed. 'How did the fig tree wither so quickly?' they asked. Jesus replied, 'Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.'"
My answer:
Jesus was in Jerusalem the capitol of the Israelites, which is also supposed to be the spiritual city of god. Jesus is hungry, is he physically hungry? No he is hungry for the truth and the fruit of the spirit that is supposed to reside within Jerusalem/Israel. But there is nothing there, it is a spiritual wasteland and therefore the tree (Israel) only has leaves and bears no fruit.
Will you let falsehoods and wrong belief stay within your heart that will not allow your soul and understanding to develop? Every false belief inside of your mind will not produce fruit but it will take up valuable space from which new trees could grow and produce fruit.
When you learn a new truth that changes your reality and abolishes the old falsehood. You cast away the falsehood and create space for new truth (new tree) and fruit (realizations of that truth) to develop. The very essence of science is to discard that which is false and allow new ideas to prosper. When you cast away the falsehoods, the tree (neural network, since they have a similar appearance in branching pattern as a tree) in your mind that upholds that belief instantly starts to wither away upon realization. The mountain (perceived obstacles and blockage of thought) that was preventing you from moving on will also be thrown into the sea and disappear allowing you to develop your mind and soul further, thus creating a new path towards truth and further understanding.
The Common Christian Narrative:
The explanation for this verse is that the fig tree (''only'') resembles Israel/Jerusalem and that Jesus declares that it should wither because the jews have fallen out of favor with god. All you need is faith and you can move mountains.
(Jerusalem is destroyed by the romans later and thus the (supposed) prophecy is made true.)
The truth (imho) is that both explanations that I gave are true but some only pay attention to the tree being israel and that being faithful till stupidity (somehow) pays off lmao.
You will notice clearly that (most of) the Christians who follow the common interpretation don't believe in science because they never understood the part about Jesus telling them that they themselves can do the same and tell the tree to wither inside of them so as to move mountains. They continue to feed a fruitless fig tree through sheer stubbornness of faith.
You may think I am stretching with my interpretation but I am quite serious. The reason I say this is because if you are advanced enough in meditation/prayer you can actually see your own neural network inside your mind. It's a skill you can develop if you learn to properly pray which is not taught in church. It is a skill which is actually quite hard to develop and cannot be easily explained just as it cannot be explained how you should move your limbs or breath for example. You simply do.
But when you do properly pray with your heart, a light will appear inside your inner mind that will guide you through your own mind and neural highways and allow you to reshape and correct yourself and eradicate falsehoods. This skill seems to have been neglected and common church prayer nowadays is just doing a little mantra and saying amen at the end. A fools ritual ...
Science and Spirituality are not in contradiction with each other. Those that perceive conflicts are the ones who are feeding fruitless fig trees and thinking if they just wait a little longer the fig tree will produce fruit again.
The reason Jesus did not answer these things directly in this parable is because the people who feed fruitless fig trees would obviously misinterpret the parable and avoid personal responsibility and just blame israel instead. Those that understand and realize the truth will see the parable with their own eyes and understand the greater meaning which was hidden on purpose and let the dead fig tree inside of them wither and see mountains move as their faith is reaffirmed and prospers.
The parables are intentionally obfuscated in such a manner that false believers will not find the correct answer and be hypocrites in their believes. Those that truly seek will continue searching and searching until they one day find the answer after hard work. The hard work that the false believers were not willing to put in.
I do not go to church or follow any church doctrine. I think church is cancer and a mind control system and therefore do not bother with all the thousands of ridiculous denominations or interpretations of fools. Church is literally a fruitless fig tree.
If you are looking for the truth in earnest and keep an open mind and heart. You will find the way. That is all that is asked of you in this life. Looking for the Truth is the same as looking for God but most importantly ... looking for the true you. It is always an ever going quest to find the Truth and your True Self, those that say they know, they don't know and those that say they don't know, they know more than those that say they do. For one is at least looking for new perspectives whereas the other is staring at the same dead spot the entire time waiting for magical fruit to appear.
If you are critical of the bible, that is the proper way of reading it my friend. Only fools read and believe instantly whatever they read. Let the fools be fools but let your own imagination speak to you and guide you so as to allow all possible interpretations no matter how crazy they may be enter into your mind and you will find new paths and new ways to develop your soul and ultimately the truth will open up and you will taste the fruit of your labor.
You must first throw away of what you think a christian is or what faith even means since it is clearly based on something rigged (and false natured) that you have seen around you and come to accept as real. Stop feeding that tree. That is not what faith truly is. Faith is like following a path knowing that if you keep on the path you will find the destination you were heading for in your heart. It's a trail of bread crumbs that will eventually lead to the river of life from which you will drink and understand.
Hope this helped a little bit.
Plz take care friend.
@John MacArthur I see and I completely understand that perspective as one who held it as well at one time.
I wish I could show you what I could see so you would understand but alas I cannot, you can hopefully trust my word as a fellow human to human who wishes nothing more than to share truth with another. Not faith, but truth my friend. Like telling you that your tail light is broken. I will tell you when it is functioning instead.
The (active) Holy Spirit is a real thing, it's not a mystical thing and many people claim to have it when they do not. They just pretend that they do. It's rather simple to know whether you have it active or not. It's a light that shines inside your mind when you close your eyes or heck even when you don't close them. It's literally (and NOT figuratively) a light that shines within. Many Christians claim they have the holy spirit but they don't even know what it really is or how it looks like.
So what is it really? I will tell you. It's a piece of the original source fractal that generates and sustains our universe and our souls, it is the soul itself in practice.
Fractals are these weird mathematical multi-dimensional oddities that are both subject and object, infinite and finite. It's math in its most beautiful and living form and you should try to look them up if you are interested in them scientifically. It is truly fascinating and yet barely comprehensible.
Jesus could not speak about fractals or the truth of our reality because many of these words did not exist in his time. That is why parables and objects with similar appearance are used throughout time and faiths from all over the world to resemble these incomprehensible concepts so as to approach the truth in a understandable way.
You will know when you have found the truth when the light shines within you my friend.
Similarly in many ways I have not changed my beliefs since I was an atheist because my faith was never contingent on fairy tales but built on broadening science and spirituality until it fitted neatly and properly. I simply expanded my understanding and definitions of words to be more broad and encompassing loosening the restrains on my mind and thinking freely. When you broaden your perspective, you will see that you've been looking with one eye closed for the truth.
People of faith are blind in that they lack scientific understanding and cannot apply their faith to science and thus reject it with stubborn conviction that lacks truth.
People of science are blind in that they fail to broaden their understanding of scripture and fail to realize spirituality is the application of science in a broader human context and thus they firmly reject faith thinking it lacks meaning.
Find the middle path that combines both.
I wish you well and thank you for reading and considering my words.
Wish I knew about his talk in Waterloo last year.
Did the app ever get made?
The Judas story does make sense because the crowds would not allow for jesus to be arrested as they thought he was God, or a prophet, or a messiah - he was held in esteem of a holy man and the sanhendrin. In other texts not just the bible there are multiple references of the instability of the early jewish state under roman occupation. It is even referenced in the bible that pontius pilate was constantly dealing with insurrection and the failure to politically control the state at a high level.
In the judas story he is meeting with his apostles not a crowd.
@River Scott I'm still laughing at your fragile ego, and your grandiose claims to be a "credentialed philosopher". LOL! PROVE IT. Present your "credentials"! Did you buy them online from some scam site? Wow, you must be a really important guy if you're "credentialed", right? BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAA !!! What a pretentious wannabe! Hey Karen, go tell the manager I was mean to you. LOL!
wonderful work - thank you
Thanks for the great discussion. A thorough debunking of the Gospels as actual history.
I don't know why ppl consider them 'history'...
@@endofscene perhaps you should look into skeptics who don’t agree with Richard. He is in a minority of 1 or 2 & everyone else is wrong except him. You can be enamored of his light which he thinks is super bright. Go watch the debate where he got his butt handed to him. He’s on a crusade and in the end, he’s wrong.
@@michaelbrickley2443 Are you saying you consider the gospels to be history? Accurate and true? If so, why?
@@endofscene tell me why you believe a man who 99% of historical scholars think is a dangerous joker
@@michaelbrickley2443 My own analysis of the gospels leads me to the certain conclusion they are not factual accounts of historical events. Indeed, I would question whether the gospel authors themselves even intended to write 'historical accounts'. They certainly don't say as much.
This doesn't mean there is no historical information in the gospels. It is the job of the serious scholar to try to ascertain what information is historical (factual) and what is mythological (fictional). Doubtless, the only scholars who believe everything in the gospels is true and factual are Christian fundamentalists. I don't find their arguments convincing, and I think their religious beliefs are frankly pathetic.
As for Richard Carrier himself, I'm not aware that 99% of historical scholars think he is a dangerous joker. Can you back up that claim with some references? Obviously Christian fundamentalist scholars disagree with him, but they disagree with any scholar who doesn't consider everything in the Bible to be true.
If there is something in particular about Richard's work or something he has said in this video that you take issue with then I'm willing to hear you out about where you think he is wrong and why.
I was told as a child that i dont have to believe it, but i still gotta go to church. Cool.
Mythology: a primitive people's beliefs concerning its origin, early history, heroes, deities and so forth, as distinguished from the true accounts which it invents later.
That app would be awesome!
itunes.apple.com/app/chrestus/id1274808720?mt=8
Holly Keefer -- play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.realityrevolutions.chrestus $8.
Judas~> That would be the worst spent 8 bucks ever; I'd be scared of tree dreams...
So glad I was raised an atheist. Imagine grown people of seemingly normal intelligence who actually believe in the literal truth of these ancient myths.
th-cam.com/video/1iMmvu9eMrg/w-d-xo.html&t= Oddly enough we know why, you just can't explain it to people who never knew the truth or rejected it.
@@Scootermagoo look, it’s a Scotsman fallacy. Wow.
@@gulfharmony What are you talking about?
@@Scootermagoo you’re argument sucks. It’s called the “No True Scotsman” fallacy. Google it. A better argument, and you might be taken seriously.
@@gulfharmony Are you one of these religious nutjobs that deflects arguments? And can't hold a normal conversation? I made a point we know why people believe in other beings/god, I also know people believe what they read and hear without context, so if you lie to someone long enough, they begin to believe your bullshit *aka see any cult or belief based upon fantasy* and you get the problems we have today. We know why and we know how.. It's for you to determine if you want to believe the truth placed in front of you. I can't help you do that, you have to decide for yourself, but I am not bringing anything but evidence of psychologists and people that study things like that to the table. If you chose to reject that, and ignore the fact the earth is round and vaxines cause autism and 5g is taking over your mind, then there really is no hope for you.
Do you think that the newly uncovered ancient writing that was written on clay tablets by the sumerians are really the closest to our origin of the human race? For myself I'm starting to believe so.
If the two most plausible theories are 1) A miracle working amazing Jesus didn't exist, or 2) An average mundane Jesus just had stories added to his normal exploits. I would have to argue that if the miracle working "amazing Jesus" didn't exist thus making the other plausible argument for a Jesus as being a "mundane Jesus" then you need to take into consideration that there were many "mundane" style Jesus preaching in that time, so why would anybody bother forming a religion around any particular "mundane" Jesus. This brings it back to a Jesus not actually existing and the whole thing being a story. A more likely event, considering the Greeks were known for creating such elaborate story lines using fictitious main characters surrounded by real places, people and events
Καρλ Αντονέσκου
Dispose one totally, it all goes down the drain.
+Καρλ Αντονέσκου man did you hit the proverbial nail with the hammer on that one!!! But hey he is making money that is all that matters to them, they don't care about the consequences.
and thats what called 'imagination' not factual information. Dont take it personal. Thats basically what science has been for 150 years. All imagination.
Tick Tock Toe - Because we have texts that date all the way back to the 1st century.
I'm am well aware that no one person formed the christian religion and I am also aware it wasn't formed over night. So no assumption on my part. My point is that why would anybody over any amount of time bother to form a religion round any non entity. Making up stories, even about a mundane Jesus figure is pointless. Which brings it back to the Jesus story being simple bullshit which ever way you look at it. Having heard numerous talks from Richard Carrier and read three of his books I'm surprised that he would even pose the view about a "mundane Jesus" figure that could have existed. As already pointed out there were hundreds of these types. If you were going to make up shit about a person why not use John the Baptist at least he was known to be a real figure in history and did suffer a death at the hands of the Romans
There is no credability or credence in any of the gospels. And if compared to one another, they don't match.
Heres a point: lets say someone broke yer window and you go ask 4 neighborhood kids who did it and they not only ALL agree but they tell you the absolute identical story...would you think..ahh! collusion..yep...Now if they all said "about " the same thing but their stories didn't exactly line up...what would you think...maybe they all really saw the same thing but from their own honest point of view. Great point William..keep em comin'
+standswithfist806, Let's go with your example: If one of those kids claimed that an angel came down from heaven with lightning and broke the window, and none of the other kids said so, you'd assume the one kid making the claim was most probably a liar, correct? Why? Because there are lots of examples of liars in real life, and *ZERO* of angels coming down from heaven with lightning and breaking windows. So compare Matthew's empty tomb story to the other gospels. Can you say...liar?
William Guy Thilgen Jr. Neither is there any credibility to your shallow mind
But what happens when you ask them some thirty to ninety years later? The gospels were not written immediately after the event. Nor by the one's whose names were given to that particular book.
William G.Th. ~> Well, the gospels are different takes from different individuals, but I think they more than less, build on each other... If somehow they don't seem too, then there's certainly an explanation!?
That said, I assume that you match your pic!?
I'd rather stand with God and be judged by the world rather than to stand with the world and be judged by God
So silly
“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities” - Voltaire. If you can believe in a god because some guy said so, then you can believe that a god wants you to murder children and infants because some guy said so: "This is what the Lord Almighty says...Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys." (1 Samuel 15:2-3). “Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction” - Blaise Pascal.
After listening to his arguments for the first time, I really don't understand why that guy gets so much hate. Carrier offers by far the most reasonable take I've heard up until now to explain the supposed events of the NT. Maybe it's just a question of generations, and we have to wait for more secular NT scholars to establish themselves in that field of study.
If you try to break any cult conditioning, they lash out.
I agree, and Dr. Carrier goes out of his way to note the citations, where to cross reference materials, explains the methodology used by scholars,.. I mean, how much more can you ask for?
They hate that he's educated and more so than they are about this stuff. Even in his earlier days of debates, Carrier was absolutely DESTROYING the apologists he debated, certainly at least in terms of knowledge of the Bible and its themes. I've still not seen a single debate where Carrier isn't more knowledgeable than the other person.
Because religion is about hate of anyone outside the club
That's why he gets animosity. He pokes wholes in the foundation of Christian institutions.
The story of Jesus and Lazarus started a holy fire in my cold gay heart.
Of course, Stephen King has always been an able writer.
You will see all you love pass.
How do we know Lazarus was a man anyway? Makes it even harder to define when everyone in these stories gets around wearing dresses and long hair.
Chris McCann yep, absolutely no use of pronouns exists in Hebrew. Man and mankind are synonymous, and apart from virgins and fembotdrones, women didn’t even count as an entity.
11:59 Re: Judas being paid 30 pieces of silver... This was directly taken from the prophecy of Zechariah in the Old Testament and highly unlikely to have been true. 'Matthew' was quite Zealous (pun intended) in his quest to ensure all the Old Testament prophecies for the prophesied Messiah were ticked off
peterscottmorgan1 having been a tax collector Matthew would have noted details involving coinage which other disciples like fishermen would probably have overlooked.
@@HighestRank Why should I believe absurd ancient fairy tales from brainwashed members of a human sacrifice cult whose holy book is demonstrably false and has already been debunked by science, archaeology and biblical scholarship as proven lies? "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" www.nytimes.com/1973/04/10/archives/2-drink-strychnine-at-service-and-die-in-display-of-faith.html
@@mythbuster1483 : You are an ignorant.
@@rajiphilips5937 What happens when fools believe proven liars? "Faith-Healing Parents Jailed After Second Child's Death" time.com/8750/faith-healing-parents-jailed-after-second-childs-death/ Where did they get that crazy idea?!! Jesus promised: "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer" (Matt. 21:22), "And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well" (James 5:15). "And these signs will accompany those who believe...they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well" (Mark 16:17-18). "Nothing will be impossible for you" (Matt. 17:20).
"Tell 'em I'm a Zealot" th-cam.com/video/Iv3UyrvOXSs/w-d-xo.html
Jesus saved me
Jesus is a myth
Sweetheart!
I can hear him now. Wow I thought Hell was a myth.
You should hear what the tone and pitch my mom had when she went on a self righteous drama rant.
The Gospels and all other "Holy Scripture" are written in the third person omniscient form which is the tell tale sign of fictional writing.
Please provide example.
And Jerome wrote a post on TH-cam saying anything written in the third person omniscient form is the tell tale sign of fictional writing so this author guesses that Jerome made no such post according to his alleged post but I just made this up and wrote it on someone else’s comment.
like the US Constitution?
@@joehinman1026 We know who wrote the US Constitution, which doesn't contain any absurd supernatural claims about a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth or zombies.
that is utterly stupid. Sepals are narrative that;why they are third person you don't write historical narratve in second person.
The videographer (or the person who set up the camera and walked away and forgot about it) has Richard in silhouette because he's backlit by his slides that he's blocking because the camera is in the wrong place.
I apaud Carrier for his work on this subject. I think for most of us outside the religion, the most mysterious unabswered question is why the Jesus story became so popular in Late Antiquity.
Applaud.
😇Repent? No you won't ! Therefore our Holy of holies shall humble you, for you have stolen our Earth and you persist in your madness. Repair His People and He may show you mercy. Look up! There is your just recompense arriving in Glory for the salvation of our souls.
I recently read the entire Bible. Most of the books of the old testament are written in almost the same way and it is meant to form a religion, a nation and give that nation land. The first four books of the New Testament repeat each other almost word for word with some exceptions and it is written to form another new religion based on the premise that Christ was God-like and he provides eternal bliss in heaven. It's based on miracles much more than the Old Testament. My impression was that the new testament was intended to dazzle and amaze people with more wondrous miracles them the Old Testament to attract as many adherents as possible. Some of it repeats the old testament, as this scholar points out.
All scholars should sign contracts to accurately present the truth.
That would put a lot of fundamentalist scholars out of work!
No truth can be forced and signed on to.
But they do.... They receive Doctorates.
However you forget that this is all built out of religious traditions in the West, which is why we even have to discuss ad nausium such a pointless waste of intellectual effort as scrutinizing these dangerous fables.
@@aikido7 tell that to a judge.
Rcihard carrier Judas reincarnated
Damn, I didn’t know the gospels were that beautifully written. It’s a shame people worship it and take it as history rather than a literary work of art
Your referring to Richard Dawkins that taught you that. Not your research that’s for sure . The Brits think they hold a title to being literary geniuses. Hahaa . Show me where There is incorrect history in the Scriptures. Your diatribe is typical of someone who has not researched Gods Word. All conjecture and nonsense from your secular upbringing. Your statement that Christian worship truth is false we follow facts and our faith is not blind. Your heading towards the mark of the beast . You know The Prophecy of Israel regathered and preparing to build their 3 rd Temple. So tell me peptune is the Bible a conspiracy written by men .
@@mikebrunet54 i wasn't raised in a secular upbringing, i was raised in a christian household. and, yes, the bible indeed was written by men, passed down by men, and translated by men. faith is blind, thats why its called faith and not fact. its ultimately impossible to objectively argue for god's existence and christianity's truth without faith. yes, and there's also a prophecy where jesus was supposed to come back before his disiciples passed away but guess he's 2000 years late and counting. and uh i have no idea where richard dawkins came from lmao i really don't care much about him.
good point of view
@James Henry Smith No, it's fiction
@James Henry Smith Keep taking your medicine dude
Great, It makes me want to investigate more
Having a literal mind is a curse or old age
Just be a good moral person that's all we got
wOmAn Is God Life Begins in The WombTruth is spooky just being good will not get you to Heaven. The bible says its not by works lest any man should boast but you are saved by grace. Gods Riches At Christs Expense. If you could get to Heaven by being good moral then Jesus died and rose for nothing.
@Donald Ring Look man, I'm a Christian as well, but you're not doing anyone any favours by ignorantly telling people they are going to hell. Let people come to Christ on their own, or at least try to be more humble about your approach.
@@beanlegume9965 What happens when fools believe proven liars? "Faith-Healing Parents Jailed After Second Child's Death" time.com/8750/faith-healing-parents-jailed-after-second-childs-death/ Where did they get that crazy idea?!! Jesus promised: "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer" (Matt. 21:22), "And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well" (James 5:15). "And these signs will accompany those who believe...they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well" (Mark 16:17-18). "Nothing will be impossible for you" (Matt. 17:20).
@@beanlegume9965 Jesus was a proven liar and false prophet who tricked gullible believers into killing themselves: "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" www.nytimes.com/1973/04/10/archives/2-drink-strychnine-at-service-and-die-in-display-of-faith.html
This is not rational. If you take God out of the equation (and many of you are desperate to do this), then there is no standard of what is moral vs. what isn't moral. It's your word against someone else's. As it is, God is real, and He knows way better then humanity which way to live is best. If only he told us that way...oh, wait. He DID.
Comparative mythology:
Dumuzi of Sumer (i.e. Mesopotamia) (in modern Iraq):
His female counterpart is Inanna;
God;
Royalty, i.e. King of Uruk;
Sacrificed and sent to underworld at fall season;
Resurrected at spring, bringing fertility to the land and salvation (i.e. food) to the people;
Cedar tree is sacred to him
Osiris of Egypt:
His female counterpart is Isis;
God;
Royalty, i.e. King of Egypt;
Miraculously born from an acacia tree;
Sacrificed, i.e. body is dismembered;
Resurrected as grains of wheat rising from the earth, thus bringing fertility to the land and salvation (i.e. food) to the people;
Dies at winter;
Resurrected at spring;
Tamarisk tree is sacred to him
Baal Hadad of Ugarit (i.e. Canaan) (in modern Syria):
His female counterpart is Anath;
God;
Royalty, i.e. king of the gods;
Sacrificed and sent to underworld;
Resurrected as fruit and restored fertility to the land, thus bringing salvation (i.e. food) to the people
Adonis of Phoenicia (i.e. Canaan) (in modern Lebanon), and Greece, and Rome:
His Female counterpart is Astarte (in Phoenicia), Aphrodite (in Greece), and Venus (in Rome);
God (and mortal);
Miraculously born from a myrrh tree;
Sacificed and sent to underworld;
Resurrected;
His blood was reborn as the anemone flower
Attis of Phrygia (in modern Turkey), and Greece, and Rome:
His female counterpart is Cybele;
God;
Conceived from a pomegranate tree;
Miraculously born of a virgin mother;
Sacrificed, i.e. body is dismembered;
He hanged on a pine tree;
Dies at winter;
Resurrected at spring;
Resurrected as spring vegetation, thus bringing fertility to the land and salvation (i.e. food) to the people
Dionysus of Greece:
Has female followers called the Maenads;
Demi-god, i.e. his father is a god, his mother is a mortal;
Royalty, i.e. his father is king of the gods,
and his grandparents are king and queen of Thebes;
Miraculously born from father's thigh;
Sacrificed, i.e. body is dismembered;
Resurrected;
His blood was reborn as a pomegranate tree, thus bringing fertility to the land and salvation (i.e. food) to the people;
Pine tree is sacred to him
Jesus of Judea (in modern Israel/Palestine):
His female counterpart is the virgin Mary;
Demi-god, i.e. his father is a god, his mother is a mortal;
Royalty, i.e. he is of the seed of King David;
Miraculously born of a virgin mother;
Body is dismembered, i.e. split into
body as bread, and blood as wine;
Sacrificed;
He hanged on the cross/tree;
Dies and resurrected at spring;
His blood was shed so followers could receive salvation from hell and be reborn with the food of eternal life in heaven
Do any of them leave behind shrouds of their death detailing forensic evidence that surpasses any modern murder case without a body and all imaging technology of the modern era? That is fishy. Lets hunt down whoever made this thing and get to the bottom of it.
I"m hoping in the near future Dr. Carrier will debate Bart Ehrman and/or James White. White prides himself on being a debate junkie, but in truth he has a pattern of refusing to directly answer the hard questions.
Saying the 4th Gospel was written by a disciple because it says so is like saying that an anonymous email claiming to be from the Prince of Nigeria is from the Prince of Nigeria because it says so.
The core argument of all Christians: "MAGIC BOOK SAYS SO!"
Does anyone know if his PowerPoint is available somewhere?
Yea google: blue waffle
I can't believe God took me here...
Which is why I can't believe
Carrier is always so interesting.
Can you elaborate on how God took you here?
Lol😃. I had half expected you to say that the Spirit guided you to this video through a series of coincidences.
Came across this information - www.doesgodexistandbeyond.com/evidenceoftheresurrection/ looks at Christianity with Reason and Logical Evaluation, using Evidences and Sources that establishes reasons for Truthful reporting. Explains Proven Biblical Manuscript History ( Historiography ) as the most testified in ancient antiquity.
www.doesgodexistandbeyond.com/manuscriptevidenceofthebiblepages/ and Answers Sceptic Accusations trying to discredit the Witness Accounts. As well simplifies what a person must do to be saved - www.doesgodexistandbeyond.com/saved-in-christ/ Has information not very well known. Worth a read
If the benevolence of God is the reason for food then why we NEED TO have farmers and farms.
How about making sense?
@@travisjazzbo3490
sense is opposite of God belief.
The thing that always puzzles me is Jesus supposedly was born in a stable to 2 poor parents and his family is largely unknown but they remember to write down the date of his birth. 33 years later he dies and RISES FROM THE DEAD..........................Yet no one writes down the date of THAT accomplishment.
Let me solve that puzzle for you. 25th December isnt his birth date. Thats just a date the Church allocated for the celebration for the birth of Jesus. Theologians and Historians who have the faith, believe he was born some time in middle of the year.
@@dominikocaginavanua4787 25th is the winter solstice, sun appears dead for 3 days then raises, days get longer, more warmth, jesus is the allegory of the sun going thru the zodac signs annually
Excellent talk. Thanks for posting this video!
Καρλ Αντονέσκου nope. Mainstream historians are running on assumptions.
What there is not, is evidence.
Don't believe me? Ok. Pretend i'm sitting there with you and you want to show me proof.
Go look on the internet.
See if you can find any evidence that has ever been examines by science, and held up.
Not supposed miracles in some other country, or my auntie got better 'cos jesus, but actual evidence.
Seriously, go look for some.
+Pete Kondolios: There is plenty of evidence that skeptics examine the evidence for the supernatural themselves, but believers ignore it and refuse to examine it.
+Pete Kondolios You are FAKE NEWS.
+Pete Kondolios That's what you hope I hope. What if I am correct?
@@apteryx01 “A fool will believe anything”(Prov. 14:15). Anytime you want to prove your book of debunked ancient fairy tales with the talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, which promises magic poison resistance to believers---go ahead! "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). So post your video demonstrating the magic poison-resistance superpowers that Lying Jesus promised! It's not like the Bible is full of lies, right? Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina: "But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that *the Bible is full of lies* , even if they refuse to use the term." - Who Wrote The Bible and Why It Matters