Things You Didn't Know About Major Events in the Bábi Period
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 พ.ค. 2024
- Talk given by Mr. Edward Price on May 20, 2023.
Mr. Edward Price is a former atheist from a Jewish background who became a Bahá’í 48 years ago. Edward has a bachelor’s degree in Psychology and Religious Studies and a master’s degree in Education. Edward was Co-Writer and Producer of the first biographical film documentary on the life and teachings of the Báb, The Gate: Dawn of the Bahá’í Faith. Broadcast on ABC television, seen in over 500 venues, and presented in more than 20 countries, the film was also the recipient of the prestigious Wilbur Award from the Religion Communicators Council. Edward is the author of The Divine Curriculum series of books published by Calumet Editions. This series discuss the lives, teachings, and missions of the great Divine Educators, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, the Báb and Bahá’u’lláh. Edward has published three books of this series so far, one on the general principles of progressive Revelation and two on the Báb. Edward has also given presentations at the Parliament of World Religions in 2015 and 2018, at the Bahá’í House of Worship in Wilmette, IL and at Bahá’í schools in the US and overseas and in academic settings. Edward continues to work on his book series. He lives in Wilmette, IL with his family and his Yorkie-Poo dog, Spy.
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0:00:00 - Opening Reading
0:01:00 - Introduction
0:02:40 - Talk
1:13:40 - Q/A
1:30:25 - Closing
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Very interesting. More, please!
This is amazingly informative. After watching this, I immediately ordered the two volumes in the Divine Curriculum series about the Báb. At only a quarter of the way into Volume 5, Part 1, so much more history than I previously knew is opening new vistas to me.
I loved your speech.i was born in shiraz .i lived less than one minute to
The Babs house.i new a lot about bab but i have learned a lot from your speech. Thank you. Shahla
Thank you so much for filling in knowledge not previously known. I wondered about how Sam Khan as a police official previously in Mashad handled any complaints about the Bab at that earlier time.
Thank for all your research and the unique stories to share with us. There few controversies about the No of bullet that the First squad shouted at Bob. Nabil Narrative and foreign historian both have mentioned different Numbers.
Also according to some Islamic books the Muslim believes that Bob never directly claimed that he is the Promised one.. I do hope with all the reference books we have we get clear answers to all of these issues. God bless you for your effort.
Very inspiring and moving, what's the title of the book and is it available online . Please give details
On the motivation of Sam Khan: Since he was a Christian, and being aware of the saintliness of the Bab and His followers, as Mr Price has pointed out, it is almost certain that he would have seen the parallels with the martyrdom of Jesus--a saint Whose teachings had so upset the religious authorities that they compelled the government to execute the saintly person. Thus, from a religious perspective, it is entirely understandable why Sam Khan was reluctant to take part.
As to the miraculous nature of the event, there is no doubt that it was miraculous to some degree, although the exact degree may be open to interpretation. It might be useful to get an exact rendering of the Bab's statement to Sam Khan. "If your intention be sincere..." might also be rendered as "if your purpose be lofty" or "if your aim is high", "the Almighty is surely able to relieve you from your perplexity." Aiming high is, of course, exactly what happened, as the bullets severed the ropes above the Bab and Anis. This sort of double meaning works in English--I don't know if it is similar in Persian. But conceivably, the Bab's words may have inspired the thought in Sam Khan's mind. It is also true that his entire regiment was Armenian Christian (Armenia was the first country with a Christian king, even before Constantine became Christian). They may have had similar misgivings. He might even have passed along a comment that anyone who had misgivings is allowed to aim high. Assuming that at least one bullet would find its mark, no individual could be blamed for missing. But the fact that all 250 of the soldiers in the first row took this to heart and their bullets therefore all missed, is still pretty astounding.
Of course, one might also note the there were 3 rows of muskets, presumably 250 in each row. After the first row was discharged, the billow of the smoke from the 250 muskets blocked the view of the 500 solders in the other two rows. Some of them may have had their muskets pointed directly at the place where the Bab and Anis WERE, but after the first volley severed the cords, the Bab and Anis were on the ground, amid a cloud of smoke rather than being suspended above, against the wall. Thus, it is very understandable that the remaining 500 soldiers would have missed, even if they had held their muskets steady after the smoke obscured their view. The location of the Bab and Anis had changed, but the aim of the 500 muskets had not. Moreover, the impact of the 500 bullets--some aimed correctly--would have hidden the fact that the first 250 were either high or left or right of the mark.
Still it was miraculous enough that no one in authority protested when Sam Khan stood forth afterwards and commanded his soldiers to leave, and swore that he would not repeat the task, even at the cost of his own life.
You're missing a couple of divine educators, Zorrastion Buddha and Krishna.
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I think the Bab performed a miracle during his martydom, simply because he had to finish his conversation he was having when the guards ripped him away. And I bet no soldier firing wanted to kill the Bab, so they all aimed high.
the best faith ever ! thanks to BAB for opening the gate so we can know about Baha'u"llah ! yabaha .
I learned so much. I love to know more
I just want to contribute a little to clarify - based on this talk, it was advised by the Bab not to promote the teachings and the new Cause by sharing stories of miracles - this way every person would have to investigate the new teachings themselves by aid of the revealed Word - which was shared by the Bab's disciples.
Abdu'l Baha had said in Some Answered Questions that miracles are relevant to those who witness them in the moment - so if the Bab did perform a miraculous deed, it would have impacted the hearts of the witnesses. Furthermore, while the miraculous event did relieve Sam Khan of his dilemma, more importantly the Bab was able to complete His Mission, which is the expression of God's Will - to the very last letter, which was revealed to His secretary.
Thank you dear friend ❤I feel ; 1:30:54
It was a chain of “will of God process”
and the outcome in physical world for us( physical beings) is considered as Miracle,… by the way, acting and interacting according to the will of results always in MIRACLES , and …
Higher level of consciousness grasp also the creating energy causing miracles ❤
AGREED
Minute mark 57:00... 500 pages...
Could Mulla Husayn have gotten a ride (with a caravan?) on some days? That could account for the speed of the journey.
Maybe, but apparently, the accounts all say he was on foot. Go figure, I can't imagine how he did it. And even if he got a ride sometimes, it wasn't as if those carts or carriages went very fast in those days, seems to me.
It is not important how fast or slow he traveled at these distances. The fact is that he traveled by foot to many places. Even when he went to Mah-Ku to meet the Bab for the last time. Badi traveled by foot from Akka to Tehran. These are due to sheer determination and strong faith. Nothing else can explains their dedications and endurances.
To common knowledge, the Bab's miracle after the first volley was because He had told His jailers before execution that He had not finished speaking to His secretary. However, He was forced to go to the execution site. Then the miracle happened. The jailers found Him in His cell talking to His secretary and then the Bab said that He was now ready to be executed because His work was done. That is common knowledge and makes perfect sense. Hence, that miracle indicated that when it wasn't time to be executed, no force in earth can hinder God's will. Also, Sam Khan said what he said because he didn't want to feel remorse for killing the Bab Who he believed to be innocent. I hope that why that miracle happened, will not be a our individual theries, but rather based on facts. Balyuzi, famous Bahai author, and others have affirmed this fact.
Yes, I agree, the writing of Scripture is the Will of God, and the forces that accompany this event, while supernatural, are not miraculous, yet I agree that bringing joy to the hearts is the greatest attainment.... It is interesting to note, that history did record the last known Scripture from the Bab, was found in the written in His cell, on the wall, in what appeared to be in charcoal, and while I'm hesitant to mention what I remember, nonetheless an attempt...... be a man...... The exact phrase is something like.... If thou can't be a lizard or a salamander, be a man
The exact phrasing I forget, two animals are mentioned and concludes within the statement, a statement, be a man
Miracles/metaphysical occurrences do not usually line up to "facts."
Great post. I spoke of his just the other week , And said, if ever any proof was needed that if you attempt to do GODS work with a truthful heart and God wills it, NOTHING WILL GET YOUR WAY.
'Let your ambition be the achievement on earth of a heavenly civilisation' [Bahai writings]
@@TheContessa1212 Not usually, perhaps, but sometimes, and in the case of the Martyrdom of the Báb, the facts speak for themselves.
I agree with what Edward suggested. The Bab was opposed to the idea of miracles through these kinds of acts. His repeatedly said that His miracles are His revealed verses and His Own Self. If He believed in miracles like this, He would have shouted this is my miracles after the failed attempt of the first volley. But He never said anything.
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Allaha'bah
Thank you so much for this program since in Iran we do not have any access to these information. any information has been changed and twisted to negative with many treacherous changes. please tell us the complete and correct history of the BAB &Bahaullah in both English and FARSI/ARABIC too. IRANIAN have been deprived of truth in relation to their own hero and heroine of their own HISTORY. please tell us cronologically what tablets by whom were revealed
So many Baha’is in America are praying for the Baha’is in Iran. Please now, The Baha’i faith is now the second largest world spread religion after Christianity
We should base our theories on facts and not personal opinions, as that can lead to misconceptions regarding certain primary incidents
Thank you
And yet, when a personal opinion aligns so closely with what we know of the loving-kindness of the Báb, one has to acknowledge the possibility. It seems to me quite consistent with the Báb's character that He would be glad to relieve Sám Khán of his perplexity, even through a miracle, which is what the accounts tell us happened. BTW, I don't know if you've noticed, but there are two sides to everything in this world. The idea that the Báb didn't want His followers to use miracles to convince others of the Faith doesn't mean that miracles did not happen. It's just that we're not supposed to stress them. It doesn't mean we can't acknowledge them and speculate about the meaning behind them.
Not using miracles as a needed evidence, does not prevent miracles from happening. Just do not balance evidence upon them.
Allah'u'Abha
When is the newest book going to be published?
Thank you for the wonderful presentation.
Dear friends . Thank you for your work... Just FYI:
I RAN /." I RUN " is a sentence about one self.... But " EERAN" is name of a country. Shiraaz is close to Perse police /The Palace of the kings, burnt by Alexander of Macedonia. and Burial place of The Cyrus the great, (Who is the author of first human rights on that Mud ceramic Sillinder found in Babbilone/IRAQ, present in London Musium, ), who Freed the Babbilonians and Jews group of Slaves, from the NABOKEDNAZAR peacefully. and was the center of the SASANID empire before they moved to Madaiyen in Iraq,/ close to BAGHDAAD.). center of FARS/Pars, and birth place of SAADI, whose poetry is on the gate of United Nation, "Children of Man are the limbs of one Body, since from the beginning of the Creation they are from one same essence,... when one limb is hurt in any event of life. The other limbs wont stay indifference. They wont stay still. ... in any event should you stay indifferent sharing others' sorrow. you do not deserve to be called a HUMAN./Man....Shiraaz also is the birthing place of another poet ,HAFIZ whose book has been the most Popular book even more popular than any holly /SACRED BOOK for IRANIANS., and his poetry has been used in some of Bahaullah's Tablets such as the Tablet of : "SHEKKAR SHEKAN"
The Bab surviving the first attempt at killing him, before he had finished what GOD had ordained ,has A BEAUTIFUL MESSAGE. If ever any proof was needed, that if you attempt to do GODS work ,with a truthful heart ,and God wills it, NOTHING WILL GET IN YOUR WAY.
'Let your ambition be the achievement on earth of a heavenly civilisation' [Bahai writings]
I think the Báb and Bahá'u'lláh would have both said something about meeting each other. Of course, they knew _of_ each other, given Mulla Husayn's instructions to go to Tehran to seek out Bahá'u'lláh immediately after he had accepted the Báb. And they both wrote in praise of each other many times, the Báb even naming Bahá'u'lláh as "He whom God would make manifest." The fact that 95% or more of the Bábís accepted Bahá'u'lláh shows how close their connection was. If they had met, we would have had written accounts from both of them of such a portentious meeting, IMHO.
They never meet each other physically. This question was put to AbdulBaha once and He clearly mentioned that the two never meet physically.
Since he didn't want to kill the Báb, then he surely ordered all his soldiers to either just load their muskets with powder (without bullets), or to shoot the rope above the Báb rather than the Báb, thus also releasing him.
Do you really think the muskets of 750 men would all miss precisely enough to free the Báb and Anís without giving them even a scratch? I find that hard to believe. Plus, we have no report of Sám Khán ever giving such an order to his regiment.
@@wendyscott8425 100s of things are lost to time. i think he ordered them all to shoot the rope above the Báb rather than the Báb, thus also releasing him. And by not having his men kill the Báb he was freed from his dilema, while still seemingly following the order to shoot at the Báb.
@@balancepositivetherapy, this theory is very far-fetched and far from reality. Not even one soldier came forward afterwards to claim that he had the order to shoot the rope. Not at that time, not later on. Never.
@@mohammadnorozi9413 True, but some soldiers can be very loyal and follow orders not to talk till their dying day. Plus since it was 180 years ago it possible that someone did say something to someone else without it becoming public knowledge. The newspapers weren't at todays level and there was no radio tv or other media. Nevertheless it doesn't change the essence of the miracle, which was he was able to effect the honest heart of the commander to not want to kill him, and more importantly to materialise back in his cell without a key in a short space of time. Also, don't get me wrong i'm not saying that i for sure don't believe there was a musket bullet miracle, i'm just saying sometimes the most reasonable and scientifically plausible explanation MIGHT be the most accurate one, Occams Razor and all (however that's spelled)...