Why are you just randomly picking on andy dalton? He's a solid QB And he would have done you a hell of a lot better than russell wilson, with the broncos
Lions quarterback Bobby Layne has a playoff resume of 1 Touchdown to 12 interceptions with a passer rating of 29, yet has a playoff record of 3-1 and won 2 nfl championships. Just for reference, I'd you threw the ball into the ground every play you would have a passer rating of 39.
Ive been a Bengals fan my whole life. The Dalton era was really memorable, we were winning consistently for the first time in my life. But at the end of the line, our rosters were INSANELY good (Andrew Whitworth, Reggie Nelson, AJ Green, Geno Atkins, Carlos Dunlap etc.) during this period, but Dalton was always the thing holding us back as much as I hate to admit it. Thanks for the memories, Andy. The good and the bad.
If only he never got injured in 2015. That was our best shot to win it all and for Dalton to win a possible MVP. I always root for Dalton wherever he plays
The Bengals' Playoffs Problems wasn't only Andy Dalton...It was more Marvin Lewis' lack of a Game Plan, his lack of Team Dicipline!!! Ocho inability to read a playbook, that's Coachable, but it was other things like...Adding some wrinkles to your playbook, get rid of the plays that didn't work, and replace them with something that nobody has seen from you that season!!!
@@charlesburroughs9770the team discipline is underrated man. Burfict hit, Marvin not being a great leader, Ocho being Ocho, Andy not being a great leader. It wasn't even close to just him, much like Romo in Dallas. Very similar careers in terms of story oddly enough
Same boat as you, lifelong Bengals fan. With the talent on both sides of the ball in that time period it really is a shame they could never get over the hump. The defense did a pretty good job keeping in the game most of the time, Dalton just couldn't stop turning the ball over. It really did come down to QB play and coaching
Been dreading this video since you mentioned it a couple weeks ago. As a life long Bengals fan and Cincinnati native, I've already lived thru all these heartbreaking losses and yet I must return to hear Perna's jokes that will help soften the blow.
@@frb5237 100%. At least after the Super Bowl, there was a little semblance of hope, that this was just the beginning and we’d maybe have another chance. Also, as much as that holding call pissed me off, the SB ending was at least understandable. That meltdown against the Steelers was dumbfounding. Had the win in our hands, and then it was snatched away in an instant. I remember watching that game with some friends at a sports bar. I was standing up pacing back and forth after the Burfict INT, thinking “This is it! I’m 29 (at the time) years old and I’m finally going to witness a playoff win for the first time!” (I was alive but too young for SB XXIII & the ‘90 playoff win). After the game was over, I was sooo angry. I got into my car, let out a huge yell, to the point of seeing stars. After that, tbh my passion died quite a bit. I still watched almost every Sunday but I wasn’t keeping up with all the news on the daily like I used to, and I had no problem just turning it off if they were losing and I wasn’t being entertained. Then 2021 happened, and it reignited the passion and I care more now. I know that sounds like bandwagoning, and if that’s what you wanna call it, fine. I still went to a game each season and had fun. I just wasn’t really emotionally invested anymore. That’s how much that playoff meltdown hurt. (Sorry for the rambling)
I looked up Y.A. Tittle, and three of his losses were NFL championship games (pre-SB era) to Lombardi's Packers and Halas' Bears. The other loss was a division tiebreaker to the 50s Lions (they won 3 titles????). Not every 0-4 is made equal.
The Lions traded Bobby Layne, their Hall of Fame quarterback who led them to all those titles, to the Steelers in 1958. He had the title the previous season. Miffed at this development, he cursed the team on his way out of Detroit. It's not as celebrated as the Billy Goat Curse, or The Curse of the Bambino, but the Lions have been the worst franchise in the sport since.
Okay but also the carson palmer trade is easily one of the biggest steals in NFL history. Historically, it didn’t affect the NFL timeline at all, but we flipped a QB who was gonna retire into a first rounder and some, all for Palmer to play one single season in Oakland
This was the era that made me believe my team was just cursed. Like I genuinely felt like we were never gonna get past that wild card round. Burrow and Taylor really changed everything for bengals fans almost overnight.
HEY I KNOW THIS IS AN OLD COMMENT, BUT I WANTED TO SAY "THANK YOU" FOR SAYING THAT!! BENGALS FANS HERE ALL BASHING HIM, & IT TAKES A BILLS FAN TO DEFEND HIM. And not only that, the amount of money Bills fans donated to Daltons charity just because of his 4th & 12 win......makes Dalton even more special, cuz he literally changes lives with you Buffalo fans' money!!! Football is just a game, changing lives for the better is what heros do.
I also go by Andy and for 35 years as a Bengals fan all my tears are collected in a bucket. I will earnestly drink the whole thing down when Joey brings Cincy's first Lombardi home
I'd say it's a tossup between him and Jim Mora. Dude had Peyton Manning for 4 years and never won a playoff game and blew a 14 point lead to give the Dolphins their last playoff win to date.
True. Not nearly enough people talk about how bengals went from Palmer to Dalton to Burrow. All of which have had stellar regular season and great consistent play. It’s the play offs which is never one player, usually a coach and strategy problems for as good as they have been for like 20 years
@@ma.2099 personally when Lewis got fired I had mixed feelings about it. On one hand I absolutely understood the playoff frustration fans felt (Texans fan) but I also remembered they were basically the Browns of the 90s before he showed up
@@bigbearkat2010 very tough. The team overall did have pretty solid regular season success under Lewis. Probably a better choice to change all faces of the franchise for sure. Dalton was just kind of under a lot of scrutiny for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Went well for the Bengals though. Look at them now. Powerhouse team for nearly 5 years straight.
They were two peas in a pod. Prime Time Andy always choked in prime time and playoff games. Lewis always choked when it came to clock management, halftime adjustments, and the 2 minute drill.
You forgot to mention in that 2015 playoff loss the ultimate boneheaded sequence from Burfict going from running into the tunnel after getting what he thought was a game sealing turnover before the Hill fumble to the double penalty of DPI and unnecessary roughness on AB that led to 30yrs of penalty on one play that set Pittsburgh up for a chip shot game winner 😂
I mean he definitely mentioned the hit on AB and that second penalty was on Pacman trying to fight Joey Porter after the play. I think he just opted to skim over that game because it's ultimately irrelevant to the story given that Dalton didn't actually play.
@@bigbearkat2010 yes but being Perna’s channel I am disappointed that the Hill fumble and Burfict’s hit on AB were shown but his premature celebration wasn’t 😜
Those penalties would’ve never happened if Hill just held onto the damn ball. I don’t blame Burfict at all, he was supposed to be the hero of that game until Jeremy fumbled like a bozo
@@SportsTalkElitist and if he doesn't make a pointlessly dirty hit like a jackass the Steelers mightve actually had a chance to miss the kick instead of it being handed to them on a silver platter. Also if Pacman also doesn't decide to pick crunch time to act like an idiot.
As a Bengals fan this brought back some nightmares granted I blame Marvin Lewis for those playoff losses his inability to adapt to the post season, his God awful play calling, and not trying to adjust in games. I'm so glad he's gone, even to this day I feel like if they had a good coach maybe Andy would've gotten a playoff win.
There's a scout's saying - it's the jimmies and joes, not the x's and o's. Players matter more, that's why they get paid so much more. We played the Andrew Luck Colts and the Phillip Rivers Chargers in the wild card round. We (the Bengals) had significantly better players than them at literally every position except QB. It's not even really debatable. 52 of the 53 men on our rosters were better than theirs. We got blown out both games. Yes it was on Andy and even Belichick couldn't get a playoff win if he had him.
If I had a nickel every time the Bengals had a 21st century ginger quarterback who was winless in the playoffs, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
I spent 5 years arguing in defense of Dalton on Bengals' message boards. Dalton did suck in the playoffs, but so did 3 other QB's under Marvin Lewis. Jon Kitna, Carson Palmer and AJ McCarron all had passer ratings of 68 or worse, and none led the offense to more than 17 points. The problem was Marvin Lewis, who was 0-7 in the playoffs overall. He never added any wrinkles to the offense. Never had his team prepared for big games. It always looked like the other team knew what was coming.
To be fair he wasn't supposed to really be a playoff contender his rookie year. His first two playoff games was against JJ watt and a stout Texans defense. His third playoff game was completely unacceptable against the charges at home. The 4th playoff game his entire offense was injured. His best receivers were running backs in that game and that last year in 2015 when he got hurt was just his luck and the Bengals too 😂 I still love and root for Andy to this day.
Im a big bengals fan, and you hit the nail on the head. I was pretty young at the time but i remeber that big hype around the bengals each year only to watch a game where they failed horribly. I used to think i was a bad luck charm, because every time i watched them, they lost! They were also a penalty machine and i literally stopped watching them after the year antonio brown got head on attacked because i was frankly disgusted by the penalties. Then Joe burrow and Zac Taylor showed up. I give a lot of credit to Zach Taylor for changing the image of the team and drastically reducing the penalties and to joe burrow for being amazing without throwing interceptions
In andy's defense, I'm pretty sure pick 6s are easier than TDs. I mean, if an nfl franchise was stupid enough to let me play qb I'm sure I would find it easier to throw a pick 6 than a TD.
As a bengals fan growing up I can say I’ll honestly never forget that colts game. One of the most boring forgettable playoff games you’ll see… but I’ll never forget just watching the bengals and having that feeling of existential dread. They looked so uninspired and by then we had come to expect it. Very numbing playoff loss
AJ Green carried the bengals offense in my opinion during the dalton years. Green is such an underrated wr and when rewatching the old games again I feel really bad that his good playing was hampered so much by dalton’s mediocrity. I’m so happy that there’s been so much improvement with refreshing coaching and obviously Burrow’s ability to make great plays actually come through. At first it definitely felt like luck was getting the bengals to win in the playoffs appose to better team performance, but with such a new roster of talented players I hope in time the bengals adjust and finally win a bowl and at the very least maintain consistency as an afc title contender.
I feel like when i stumbled across this channel on accident when it was getting like 1600 views. Apparently i never subbed until now. Sorry sir. I figure youre from Denver, so when i say this is much better to listen to than the fan, you know what Im talking about😂😂😂. Keep it up sir.
I remember being at the ER for my Mom during that Colts v Bengals game and they actually had it on the TV, so I was watching it cause there wasn’t too much to do and I love football, win win, so I’m watching…and literally all I could remember is almost walking up to the front desk and saying I need to be seen because Andy Dalton’s play made me so sick. But refrained because I knew they wouldn’t appreciate it 😂
As a Dolphins fan, I kept waiting for you to mention Tua. And I THOUGHT he was out of the woods... but right at the last minute: BAM lol Well played, sir
@@davidbosley7126 with burrow, the bengals for sure win the Super Bowl in 2015. Even with Dalton they nearly got the 1 seed, and likely would have had it if Dalton didn’t get hurt against the browns and missed the last few games. NE and Denver were both good, but heavily flawed teams. Burrow could have beat both of them and he for sure beats Carolina in the Super Bowl.
I live one the Ohio Michigan border and growing up no one in my family liked football really so I didn't have any big lions fans. Naturally I started watching the bengals as my high school is the tigers and the 2012 season is when I started really watching ball. I remember being so excited for a qb and wr (I was literally 11 when they got drafted lol) and I dedicated the next 5 years to the most heart wrenching team in sports lol then the following couple years were even worst as we just sucked and weren't going anywhere. Thank goodness the one year we got the 1 pick was a year with great qbs
I didn't think this video would be as crushing as it was, but as a 34 year old Bengals fan...this brought back so many terrible memories. Even if our two full seasons with Burrow ended in blatant robbery and even if the window feels closed, I realize how blessed we've been since we drafted Burrow.
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Hi. This is really interesting and I want to be properly informed, so do you have a video or article for proof or evidence? I want to believe you but I jsut want to be sure
Videos like this is why we bengals fans will always feel trauma and stuck in 2005 - 2019. Especially that dreaded 2015 Play off game. Thanks for reminding me, Perna. I’m drinking tonight.
It’s unfair to put Kirk in this group as his playoff performances have all been right in line with his regular seasons. People can point out the 4th and 8 bs but if Min defense even bothers to show up they are never in that position. That defense in 1 game single-handedly got Daniel Jones his contract.
As a bengals fan that was going through elementary school during the Andy Dalton era I still have nightmares about those years. I see Andy around every corner.
All of Picksburgh and Yinzernation will say "it's that friggin jag-off Neil O'Donnell. He don't get to listen to Donnie Iris while drinking an Iron City ever again no more. Huck it, chuck it, football!, Go Stiller's!!"😝
I take it you said in your video about J.J. Watt dissing Dalton in 2015 that Dalton wouldn't go to (or win) a Super Bowl due to not having mental toughness or something.
I'm not a Bengals fan but I still recall this era for them. It was far better compared to how things were for the franchise in say, the 1990s. Really, the Bengals used to be so bad. They got a lot better in Dalton and Lewis time there, but eventually you see that there was a clear boundary the team could not overcome. They had some good names there but couldn't go to the next level.
Bengals fan here to say…. It definitely wasn’t Andy. It was Marvin Lewis. If you watch all his playoff games, he never adjusts at half time and over plans. He panics and takes no risks and tries to play safe, even when down. Go watch the tape
They both had a part to play, his horrible performance didn't help either. But being the coach and NOT MAKING ADJUSTMENTS!! Just not smart, I'd watch games and be like.. "ok after the half were going to come out harder, open up the playbook"!! But no stayed the same if not worse!!
This is the content I crave. Grew up as a Wisconsin Badgers fan and oof that loss to Andy Dalton and TCU was rough. Did TCU just outplay the Badgers? Probably it's been so long now I don't remember the specifics. I take no shame in saying I reveled watching Dalton's failure in the playoffs. And to see that Dalton was never close to winning a game, beautiful. I also enjoyed J.J. Watt seemingly never getting over the TCU loss using his made for network television insult.
He would look like the best in the league until it actually mattered. I love Andy honestly but he just didn't have that it factor. He couldn't carry the team to victory on his back like the actual best can. Marvin Lewis was the real shitter and way worse for the team than Andy was though
Droping that Tua bomb after he got re-signed is a bold move, especially coming from a Broncos fan. I respect it, but, then again, I'm not a Dolphins fan.
I think I've experienced a full range of emotions as a Bengals fan. From making two Super Bowls in the 80s to the laughing stock of the NFL to finally having success again. Now, if Andy Dalton could have had the success Joe Burrow had would have been nice.
That era of Bengals teams (Palmer to Dalton) were loaded with a lot of talent, and are a great example of how a team can be good enough to make the playoffs but not good enough to win in the playoffs. Palmer went to the playoffs twice with the Bengals and lost both of those too. What was amazing was how they could manage to humble and beat better teams in the regular season - as a Ravens fan I just KNEW that the Ravens were going to lose 1 or both games against the Bengals each year and the wins were going to be ugly and disappointing. The one thing all Dalton's playoff losses share is a 100% reliance on the passing game (the opposing defense made them one dimensional) and a ferocious pass rush that kept him under pressure and unable to get the passes off. That's more of a team and scheme weakness and I don't put the blame on him. The only reason he has that many playoff losses is because he got that team to the playoffs a lot.
As a Steelers fan the Bengals should have won that Wildcard game in 2015 and the Bengals should have cut Vontaze Burfict after that game because he disobeyed his coach. Not to mention Pacman Jones not helping matters trying to fight Joey Porter and getting penalized as well.
As a Bengals fan I think blaming Dalton alone isn’t exactly right. The problem was Marvin Lewis. As you said Palmer was also winless in Cincy. Those teams as a whole sucked in the playoffs and that falls on Lewis. I mean look at the run defenses those years 😂😂😂 Dalton was bad for sure. Thank God for Taylor and Burrow
Not going to lie this brought up some PTSD LOL. After the losing to colts I stopped paying for NFL Sunday ticket and thought why do I pay for this when they’re just going to lose in the playoffs. Yeah I’ve said I wish AJ Green had Joe Burrow as the QB then he stats would’ve been amazing
Dak Prescott is the worst playoff qb ever because unlike dalton he's an amazing qb in the regular season where as dalton was never reallt anything more than above average. Dak wins you a shit ton of games then chokes his ass off when it matters most
Lifelong Bengals fan since the early 80s and I feel that the structure of the team (i.e., how it was built) and ultimately the results that the team produced were largely a function of what Marvin Lewis and Mike Brown were capable of delivering, and comfortable with executing/creating. Therefore, attributing all of the team's failures on just Andy Dalton would be harsh (although he was certainly part of the problem). Essentially, Lewis and Brown were the architects of the middling teams that they had created. Brown likely required the team follow a strict budget and Lewis was adept at providing Brown with a good but not great team that could operate within that strict budget - year after year. In the late 80s Cincinnati went on a SB run where in an interview a sports journalist remarked admiringly to Paul Brown that Cincinnati had managed to make the SB while having the lowest payroll in the NFL. PB responded combatively (and yet boastfully at the same time) by saying that one can build competitive teams without having to give out the bank. What is the significance of this statement? I'm sure it entirely summarizes how Mike Brown has run the team and how he has aspired to run his team... until more recently when he has finally relinquished control of the team to the next generation (coincidently with the arrival of Joe Burrow).
Glad you called out Burfect for giving AB CTE. Not a Steelers fan, but holy heck that was the biggest disaster of murdering talent ever and I will always hate the Bungles for this reason alone.
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Why are you just randomly picking on andy dalton? He's a solid QB And he would have done you a hell of a lot better than russell wilson, with the broncos
His best playoff performance was getting the Bills to the playoffs in 2017. Thanks again Andy.
I’m a Phins fan was at that Villa game and I have never been so happy for another team when walking out
12/31/17, the best day of my life. Thanks Andy
I was gonna say as a bills fan he will have a special place in my heart
I also did a few tabs and saw a killer Aqueous show, that helped. But the Andy Dalton TD energy was unmatched and something I still think about
I always hoped he'd get a backup job on the Bills' roster and end up taking them to the playoffs again.
You've jinxed it, Dalton's now gonna go on a Nick Foles-esque run and lead the Panthers to one of the most inexplicable Super Bowl wins of all time.
I'd love to see that
@@thatsgoodsports as long as they don't play the packers
@@thatsgoodsportsit’ll be a 40+ point rout of the Denver Broncos in a circle of life revenge arc
Go put $1000 on that in Vegas. Walk away a millionaire lol.
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Perna cooks his fish in the toaster oven why am I not surprised
Brandon "That one guy at work who repeats fish in the break room" Perna
@@lukeyarasheski5510 how many times does he "repeat" fish tho?!
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The way I physically reacted when I heard that lmao. Please Brandon use a cast iron pan you will never put fish in a toaster oven ever again 😂
@@TyaColo uh
Lions quarterback Bobby Layne has a playoff resume of 1 Touchdown to 12 interceptions with a passer rating of 29, yet has a playoff record of 3-1 and won 2 nfl championships. Just for reference, I'd you threw the ball into the ground every play you would have a passer rating of 39.
Bobby Layne also cursed the Lions
And Dalton once had a passer rating lower than that.
WHEN?!?!
How did he win 3 playoff games, with only 1 td in all 3 games combined?!?! Were the other teams he played in the playoffs just that bad lol?!
@@marlafowler3543 in the old nfl QB’s regularly threw 20-30 ints in a season
Ive been a Bengals fan my whole life. The Dalton era was really memorable, we were winning consistently for the first time in my life. But at the end of the line, our rosters were INSANELY good (Andrew Whitworth, Reggie Nelson, AJ Green, Geno Atkins, Carlos Dunlap etc.) during this period, but Dalton was always the thing holding us back as much as I hate to admit it. Thanks for the memories, Andy. The good and the bad.
If only he never got injured in 2015. That was our best shot to win it all and for Dalton to win a possible MVP. I always root for Dalton wherever he plays
I’ve been a bengals fan since I was around 6 when Ickey woods played. It’s great that we at least got to Super Bowl
The Bengals' Playoffs Problems wasn't only Andy Dalton...It was more Marvin Lewis' lack of a Game Plan, his lack of Team Dicipline!!! Ocho inability to read a playbook, that's Coachable, but it was other things like...Adding some wrinkles to your playbook, get rid of the plays that didn't work, and replace them with something that nobody has seen from you that season!!!
@@charlesburroughs9770the team discipline is underrated man. Burfict hit, Marvin not being a great leader, Ocho being Ocho, Andy not being a great leader. It wasn't even close to just him, much like Romo in Dallas. Very similar careers in terms of story oddly enough
Same boat as you, lifelong Bengals fan. With the talent on both sides of the ball in that time period it really is a shame they could never get over the hump. The defense did a pretty good job keeping in the game most of the time, Dalton just couldn't stop turning the ball over. It really did come down to QB play and coaching
Been dreading this video since you mentioned it a couple weeks ago. As a life long Bengals fan and Cincinnati native, I've already lived thru all these heartbreaking losses and yet I must return to hear Perna's jokes that will help soften the blow.
The Steelers playoff game still lives rent free in my head and boils my blood randomly at 2 am some nights.
@@austintruex8152 I am pretty sure to most Bengals fans this game is more painful than losing the Super Bowl. I know it is for me.
@@frb5237 100%. At least after the Super Bowl, there was a little semblance of hope, that this was just the beginning and we’d maybe have another chance. Also, as much as that holding call pissed me off, the SB ending was at least understandable. That meltdown against the Steelers was dumbfounding. Had the win in our hands, and then it was snatched away in an instant.
I remember watching that game with some friends at a sports bar. I was standing up pacing back and forth after the Burfict INT, thinking “This is it! I’m 29 (at the time) years old and I’m finally going to witness a playoff win for the first time!” (I was alive but too young for SB XXIII & the ‘90 playoff win). After the game was over, I was sooo angry. I got into my car, let out a huge yell, to the point of seeing stars. After that, tbh my passion died quite a bit. I still watched almost every Sunday but I wasn’t keeping up with all the news on the daily like I used to, and I had no problem just turning it off if they were losing and I wasn’t being entertained.
Then 2021 happened, and it reignited the passion and I care more now. I know that sounds like bandwagoning, and if that’s what you wanna call it, fine. I still went to a game each season and had fun. I just wasn’t really emotionally invested anymore. That’s how much that playoff meltdown hurt.
(Sorry for the rambling)
It could be worse. You could live in Ohio.
Oh wait . . .
@@frb5237and the 2022 AFC championship 😂😂😂. Y’all definitely don’t own Mahomes anymore
Can’t wait for Brandon to talk about the Cuban missile crisis
Agrees, awful fighter
Kind of crazy to realize he's 36 now
And that he's played for four different teams after leaving the Bengals
What is even funnier is that Dalton beat Watt in the Rose Bowl in college.
Perna, love these series. What about the losing-est players of all time? What about the highest paid losers? Keep up the great work.
Highest paid losers is an incredible video concept
@@mooseflowmaster2470 Number 1 is Daniel Jones and number 2 is Deshaun Watson
That's too easy. Derek carr
I looked up Y.A. Tittle, and three of his losses were NFL championship games (pre-SB era) to Lombardi's Packers and Halas' Bears. The other loss was a division tiebreaker to the 50s Lions (they won 3 titles????). Not every 0-4 is made equal.
The Lions traded Bobby Layne, their Hall of Fame quarterback who led them to all those titles, to the Steelers in 1958. He had the title the previous season. Miffed at this development, he cursed the team on his way out of Detroit. It's not as celebrated as the Billy Goat Curse, or The Curse of the Bambino, but the Lions have been the worst franchise in the sport since.
Y A Tittles playoff QBR is 38.2 or something, 4 TD, 13 Int. All time 👎
@@charlesdumez1534Second worst after the Cardinulls.
Okay but also the carson palmer trade is easily one of the biggest steals in NFL history. Historically, it didn’t affect the NFL timeline at all, but we flipped a QB who was gonna retire into a first rounder and some, all for Palmer to play one single season in Oakland
Hue Jackson nearly got the Browns to trade a 2nd for AJ McCarron 😂.
We got Gio Bernard outta that trade !
This was the era that made me believe my team was just cursed. Like I genuinely felt like we were never gonna get past that wild card round. Burrow and Taylor really changed everything for bengals fans almost overnight.
Broke the playoff win curse, now we just gotta break the Super Bowl win curse
The Red Rifle will always have a place in the heart of Bills Mafia for helping end their playoff drought! Nothing but love for Andy.
HEY I KNOW THIS IS AN OLD COMMENT, BUT I WANTED TO SAY "THANK YOU" FOR SAYING THAT!! BENGALS FANS HERE ALL BASHING HIM, & IT TAKES A BILLS FAN TO DEFEND HIM. And not only that, the amount of money Bills fans donated to Daltons charity just because of his 4th & 12 win......makes Dalton even more special, cuz he literally changes lives with you Buffalo fans' money!!! Football is just a game, changing lives for the better is what heros do.
"It must have really hurt to hear his leading receiver say that about him" refering to JJ Watt 😂
That one got me lol
I also go by Andy and for 35 years as a Bengals fan all my tears are collected in a bucket. I will earnestly drink the whole thing down when Joey brings Cincy's first Lombardi home
I think it's, Marvin Lewis is the worst playoff coach of all time. He also didn't win any with Carson Palmer.
I'd say it's a tossup between him and Jim Mora. Dude had Peyton Manning for 4 years and never won a playoff game and blew a 14 point lead to give the Dolphins their last playoff win to date.
True. Not nearly enough people talk about how bengals went from Palmer to Dalton to Burrow. All of which have had stellar regular season and great consistent play. It’s the play offs which is never one player, usually a coach and strategy problems for as good as they have been for like 20 years
@@ma.2099 personally when Lewis got fired I had mixed feelings about it. On one hand I absolutely understood the playoff frustration fans felt (Texans fan) but I also remembered they were basically the Browns of the 90s before he showed up
@@bigbearkat2010 very tough. The team overall did have pretty solid regular season success under Lewis. Probably a better choice to change all faces of the franchise for sure. Dalton was just kind of under a lot of scrutiny for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Went well for the Bengals though. Look at them now. Powerhouse team for nearly 5 years straight.
They were two peas in a pod. Prime Time Andy always choked in prime time and playoff games. Lewis always choked when it came to clock management, halftime adjustments, and the 2 minute drill.
As a Bengal's fan that grew up in the playoff win drought, I cant ever forget
Cheers to a new one!
Same that Era sucked, but lucky we even got burrow and chase and heck they are even better.
You forgot to mention in that 2015 playoff loss the ultimate boneheaded sequence from Burfict going from running into the tunnel after getting what he thought was a game sealing turnover before the Hill fumble to the double penalty of DPI and unnecessary roughness on AB that led to 30yrs of penalty on one play that set Pittsburgh up for a chip shot game winner 😂
I mean he definitely mentioned the hit on AB and that second penalty was on Pacman trying to fight Joey Porter after the play. I think he just opted to skim over that game because it's ultimately irrelevant to the story given that Dalton didn't actually play.
@@bigbearkat2010 yes but being Perna’s channel I am disappointed that the Hill fumble and Burfict’s hit on AB were shown but his premature celebration wasn’t 😜
Those penalties would’ve never happened if Hill just held onto the damn ball. I don’t blame Burfict at all, he was supposed to be the hero of that game until Jeremy fumbled like a bozo
@@SportsTalkElitist and if he doesn't make a pointlessly dirty hit like a jackass the Steelers mightve actually had a chance to miss the kick instead of it being handed to them on a silver platter. Also if Pacman also doesn't decide to pick crunch time to act like an idiot.
God I remember watching that live. The most unbelievable sequence of events in my history of watching sports
There is also an interesting stat that Andy has won like 81 games with 0 playoff wins, which is the highest amount of wins without a playoff win
As a Bengals fan this brought back some nightmares granted I blame Marvin Lewis for those playoff losses his inability to adapt to the post season, his God awful play calling, and not trying to adjust in games. I'm so glad he's gone, even to this day I feel like if they had a good coach maybe Andy would've gotten a playoff win.
There's a scout's saying - it's the jimmies and joes, not the x's and o's. Players matter more, that's why they get paid so much more.
We played the Andrew Luck Colts and the Phillip Rivers Chargers in the wild card round. We (the Bengals) had significantly better players than them at literally every position except QB. It's not even really debatable. 52 of the 53 men on our rosters were better than theirs. We got blown out both games.
Yes it was on Andy and even Belichick couldn't get a playoff win if he had him.
@@plagueofjoe So ,are you trying to say that TJ Yates is better than Dalton?
If I had a nickel every time the Bengals had a 21st century ginger quarterback who was winless in the playoffs, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
I spent 5 years arguing in defense of Dalton on Bengals' message boards.
Dalton did suck in the playoffs, but so did 3 other QB's under Marvin Lewis. Jon Kitna, Carson Palmer and AJ McCarron all had passer ratings of 68 or worse, and none led the offense to more than 17 points.
The problem was Marvin Lewis, who was 0-7 in the playoffs overall. He never added any wrinkles to the offense. Never had his team prepared for big games.
It always looked like the other team knew what was coming.
the George Bush clips are hilarious
To be fair he wasn't supposed to really be a playoff contender his rookie year. His first two playoff games was against JJ watt and a stout Texans defense. His third playoff game was completely unacceptable against the charges at home. The 4th playoff game his entire offense was injured. His best receivers were running backs in that game and that last year in 2015 when he got hurt was just his luck and the Bengals too 😂 I still love and root for Andy to this day.
From a lifelong Bengals fan, I am telling you- it is like this man was paid to lose playoff games. 😢
Im a big bengals fan, and you hit the nail on the head. I was pretty young at the time but i remeber that big hype around the bengals each year only to watch a game where they failed horribly. I used to think i was a bad luck charm, because every time i watched them, they lost! They were also a penalty machine and i literally stopped watching them after the year antonio brown got head on attacked because i was frankly disgusted by the penalties. Then Joe burrow and Zac Taylor showed up. I give a lot of credit to Zach Taylor for changing the image of the team and drastically reducing the penalties and to joe burrow for being amazing without throwing interceptions
LAMAR JACKSON HAS LOST JUST AS MANY PLAYOFF GAMES LOL, AND HE HAD BETTER PLAYERS ALL AROUND HIM!!
In andy's defense, I'm pretty sure pick 6s are easier than TDs. I mean, if an nfl franchise was stupid enough to let me play qb I'm sure I would find it easier to throw a pick 6 than a TD.
As a bengals fan growing up I can say I’ll honestly never forget that colts game. One of the most boring forgettable playoff games you’ll see… but I’ll never forget just watching the bengals and having that feeling of existential dread. They looked so uninspired and by then we had come to expect it. Very numbing playoff loss
*Recent Cowboys quarterbacks have entered the chat*
(I’m a cowboys fan)
I deadass didn't know he was still in the league until Bryce got benched happy for him though!
He also had the worst playoff coach ever
Underrated part of the video but the outro was absolute gold in this one
AJ Green carried the bengals offense in my opinion during the dalton years. Green is such an underrated wr and when rewatching the old games again I feel really bad that his good playing was hampered so much by dalton’s mediocrity.
I’m so happy that there’s been so much improvement with refreshing coaching and obviously Burrow’s ability to make great plays actually come through. At first it definitely felt like luck was getting the bengals to win in the playoffs appose to better team performance, but with such a new roster of talented players I hope in time the bengals adjust and finally win a bowl and at the very least maintain consistency as an afc title contender.
1:21 will never not be hilarious
Did we just forget that the pre Joe Burrow Bangles were the worst.
Great video! Id go with Andy Dalton as the worst playoff qb ever. Id go with Dak Prescott as the 2nd worst playoff qb ever 😅😅😅😅
Worst.. 1. Andy Dalton, 2. Tony Romo, 3. Dak Prescott
@@death5talker45 lol yeah
THE WORST CHOKER IS EASILY LAMAR JACKSON LMAO. HE EVEN DID IT AGAIN TONIGHT, IN GAME #1 VS THE CHIEFS LOL!!!
I feel like when i stumbled across this channel on accident when it was getting like 1600 views. Apparently i never subbed until now. Sorry sir. I figure youre from Denver, so when i say this is much better to listen to than the fan, you know what Im talking about😂😂😂. Keep it up sir.
I remember being at the ER for my Mom during that Colts v Bengals game and they actually had it on the TV, so I was watching it cause there wasn’t too much to do and I love football, win win, so I’m watching…and literally all I could remember is almost walking up to the front desk and saying I need to be seen because Andy Dalton’s play made me so sick. But refrained because I knew they wouldn’t appreciate it 😂
As a Dolphins fan, I kept waiting for you to mention Tua. And I THOUGHT he was out of the woods... but right at the last minute: BAM lol
Well played, sir
Maybe yes, though it’s hard to separate Dalton from the worst playoff coach of all time (Marvin Lewis, 0-7)
Imagine if Burrow was on those Bengals teams from 2011-2015 instead of Dalton. The bengals would have been a dynasty.
I agree, he would be competing agnaist tom brady and payton manning.
@@davidbosley7126 with burrow, the bengals for sure win the Super Bowl in 2015. Even with Dalton they nearly got the 1 seed, and likely would have had it if Dalton didn’t get hurt against the browns and missed the last few games. NE and Denver were both good, but heavily flawed teams. Burrow could have beat both of them and he for sure beats Carolina in the Super Bowl.
The leading receiver comment 😂😂😂 Perna you killed me with that shit!
I live one the Ohio Michigan border and growing up no one in my family liked football really so I didn't have any big lions fans. Naturally I started watching the bengals as my high school is the tigers and the 2012 season is when I started really watching ball. I remember being so excited for a qb and wr (I was literally 11 when they got drafted lol) and I dedicated the next 5 years to the most heart wrenching team in sports lol then the following couple years were even worst as we just sucked and weren't going anywhere. Thank goodness the one year we got the 1 pick was a year with great qbs
I didn't think this video would be as crushing as it was, but as a 34 year old Bengals fan...this brought back so many terrible memories. Even if our two full seasons with Burrow ended in blatant robbery and even if the window feels closed, I realize how blessed we've been since we drafted Burrow.
Can't believe nobody's talking about Brian Hoyer's 2015 wildcard loss to the Raiders. That was hard to watch
That was against the chiefs. The raiders haven’t won a playoff game since their Super Bowl appearance in 2002.
@@ErikCB912 oh, true. Good catch
Brandon, I just want to say keep doing great work. These videos are awesome.
Don't order meal kits from Good Chop or any company owned by HelloFresh. No need to support a company that has a history of union-busting or countless OSHA violations.
Hi. This is really interesting and I want to be properly informed, so do you have a video or article for proof or evidence?
I want to believe you but I jsut want to be sure
Best. Video. Ever. Extremely painful as a Bengals fan tho. 😢
Thank you for including Kurt cousins, he deserved the honorable mention.
Videos like this is why we bengals fans will always feel trauma and stuck in 2005 - 2019. Especially that dreaded 2015 Play off game. Thanks for reminding me, Perna. I’m drinking tonight.
You should do a video on your favorite Chiefs vs. Broncos moments :)
As a bengals fan…YES lol
It’s unfair to put Kirk in this group as his playoff performances have all been right in line with his regular seasons. People can point out the 4th and 8 bs but if Min defense even bothers to show up they are never in that position. That defense in 1 game single-handedly got Daniel Jones his contract.
perna’s shirt game on point today
As a bengals fan that was going through elementary school during the Andy Dalton era I still have nightmares about those years. I see Andy around every corner.
All of Picksburgh and Yinzernation will say "it's that friggin jag-off Neil O'Donnell. He don't get to listen to Donnie Iris while drinking an Iron City ever again no more. Huck it, chuck it, football!, Go Stiller's!!"😝
This brings back so many terrible memories. Right in the feels… thanks man.
I take it you said in your video about J.J. Watt dissing Dalton in 2015 that Dalton wouldn't go to (or win) a Super Bowl due to not having mental toughness or something.
As a die hard Bengal fan since 1987 I support this message...
He was an utter disaster in the playoffs...
The worst...
I love that I said "or both" along with you 😅
Rex grossman still havent forgiven him for that superbowl loss😢
I'm not a Bengals fan but I still recall this era for them. It was far better compared to how things were for the franchise in say, the 1990s. Really, the Bengals used to be so bad. They got a lot better in Dalton and Lewis time there, but eventually you see that there was a clear boundary the team could not overcome. They had some good names there but couldn't go to the next level.
I hadnt watched this yet, but i just made the comparison to a friend that Tuas comp is Dalton. 😅 Scared to be on the same wavelength as you
cooking salmon in a toaster oven is definitely "a choice".
Love your channel from a Brandon to a Brandon lol
Bengals fan here to say…. It definitely wasn’t Andy. It was Marvin Lewis. If you watch all his playoff games, he never adjusts at half time and over plans. He panics and takes no risks and tries to play safe, even when down. Go watch the tape
They both had a part to play, his horrible performance didn't help either. But being the coach and NOT MAKING ADJUSTMENTS!! Just not smart, I'd watch games and be like.. "ok after the half were going to come out harder, open up the playbook"!! But no stayed the same if not worse!!
The only thing i ever really remember about the Bengals was seeing TJ Yates lead the Texans to their first ever playoff win against them back in 2011
This is the content I crave. Grew up as a Wisconsin Badgers fan and oof that loss to Andy Dalton and TCU was rough. Did TCU just outplay the Badgers? Probably it's been so long now I don't remember the specifics. I take no shame in saying I reveled watching Dalton's failure in the playoffs. And to see that Dalton was never close to winning a game, beautiful. I also enjoyed J.J. Watt seemingly never getting over the TCU loss using his made for network television insult.
One minor correction, Dalton did not throw a pick 6 against the Chargers. They took one interception down to the 3 yard line though.
I'm pretty sure the Steelers intentionally hurt Palmer..
The pre 2010’s Steelers in a fucking nutshell…
Played dirtier than the fucking raiders…
You said that after watching Berfect cream AB's head?
Dak Prescott tried to throw his hat in the ring but it was intercepted.
As a Bengals fan, yes. Not just playoffs but prime time games period. He would just fall apart
He would look like the best in the league until it actually mattered. I love Andy honestly but he just didn't have that it factor. He couldn't carry the team to victory on his back like the actual best can. Marvin Lewis was the real shitter and way worse for the team than Andy was though
LEWIS FOR SURE IS WHY ANDY COULDNT GET THEM TO THE PROMISED LAND!!!
Phillip Rivers was in there getting a completion for each of his kids 😂😂
Insulting the red rifle like this is crazy
Droping that Tua bomb after he got re-signed is a bold move, especially coming from a Broncos fan.
I respect it, but, then again, I'm not a Dolphins fan.
Maybe if he hadn't continued to wear his Bengals helmet once he was a Cowboy, people wouldn't have teased him as much? Oh shit, that was his hair???
Why you gotta come for my guy like that? 😂
I think I've experienced a full range of emotions as a Bengals fan. From making two Super Bowls in the 80s to the laughing stock of the NFL to finally having success again. Now, if Andy Dalton could have had the success Joe Burrow had would have been nice.
this man made me give up on the bengals as a kid lol
That era of Bengals teams (Palmer to Dalton) were loaded with a lot of talent, and are a great example of how a team can be good enough to make the playoffs but not good enough to win in the playoffs. Palmer went to the playoffs twice with the Bengals and lost both of those too. What was amazing was how they could manage to humble and beat better teams in the regular season - as a Ravens fan I just KNEW that the Ravens were going to lose 1 or both games against the Bengals each year and the wins were going to be ugly and disappointing. The one thing all Dalton's playoff losses share is a 100% reliance on the passing game (the opposing defense made them one dimensional) and a ferocious pass rush that kept him under pressure and unable to get the passes off. That's more of a team and scheme weakness and I don't put the blame on him. The only reason he has that many playoff losses is because he got that team to the playoffs a lot.
As a Steelers fan the Bengals should have won that Wildcard game in 2015 and the Bengals should have cut Vontaze Burfict after that game because he disobeyed his coach. Not to mention Pacman Jones not helping matters trying to fight Joey Porter and getting penalized as well.
Great video and I have to agree with you on Andy dalton
Great analysis! I miss the old music from your older videos, though!
As a Bengals fan I think blaming Dalton alone isn’t exactly right. The problem was Marvin Lewis. As you said Palmer was also winless in Cincy. Those teams as a whole sucked in the playoffs and that falls on Lewis. I mean look at the run defenses those years 😂😂😂
Dalton was bad for sure. Thank God for Taylor and Burrow
it wasnt just the playoffs;
i remember ANYTIME we had a primetime game it would always collapse. thanks dalton!
0:57 Bro Perna why your voice cracking like that😂
I'll always remember Andy Dalton as the QB who ended the Bills playoff drought.
I would normally hate seeing AI generated photos as a visual in a youtube video, but for some reason with Perna's style of video it just makes sense
Not going to lie this brought up some PTSD LOL. After the losing to colts I stopped paying for NFL Sunday ticket and thought why do I pay for this when they’re just going to lose in the playoffs. Yeah I’ve said I wish AJ Green had Joe Burrow as the QB then he stats would’ve been amazing
Dak Prescott is the worst playoff qb ever because unlike dalton he's an amazing qb in the regular season where as dalton was never reallt anything more than above average. Dak wins you a shit ton of games then chokes his ass off when it matters most
I had to come in late and say Lamar is the worst playoff quarterback
The pressure is getting to Perna. Denver is mile high.
Lifelong Bengals fan since the early 80s and I feel that the structure of the team (i.e., how it was built) and ultimately the results that the team produced were largely a function of what Marvin Lewis and Mike Brown were capable of delivering, and comfortable with executing/creating.
Therefore, attributing all of the team's failures on just Andy Dalton would be harsh (although he was certainly part of the problem).
Essentially, Lewis and Brown were the architects of the middling teams that they had created. Brown likely required the team follow a strict budget and Lewis was adept at providing Brown with a good but not great team that could operate within that strict budget - year after year.
In the late 80s Cincinnati went on a SB run where in an interview a sports journalist remarked admiringly to Paul Brown that Cincinnati had managed to make the SB while having the lowest payroll in the NFL. PB responded combatively (and yet boastfully at the same time) by saying that one can build competitive teams without having to give out the bank.
What is the significance of this statement? I'm sure it entirely summarizes how Mike Brown has run the team and how he has aspired to run his team... until more recently when he has finally relinquished control of the team to the next generation (coincidently with the arrival of Joe Burrow).
brandon giving a slight to tua at the end like he didn’t just hang 70 fat ones on the broncos last year 😭
"In 6 career playoff starts, Kirk is just 1-4"
dam, Kirko's impressive
Glad you called out Burfect for giving AB CTE. Not a Steelers fan, but holy heck that was the biggest disaster of murdering talent ever and I will always hate the Bungles for this reason alone.
Kirk Cousins said hold my O'Doul's
i was a bengals fan in the first Houston game saw tj interception perfectly
1:24 had me in tears 😂