Install and first look review at the new XT 12 Speed Groupset from Shimano. [Links] Rock City Cycles: rockcitycycles.ca [Socialize] Instagram: / island.bike.life
I just got this installed on a new Hightower 2. Install was simple and shifting seems very smooth. Note that shimano’s dealer manual specs the cassette lock ring between 30-50 Nm. Much more than 10.
I've had nothing but problems with the new shimano 12spd. 2 failed xt freehub mechanisms that started creaking, then locked on and turned into fixed gear hubs. That was terrifying! Then the mail pivot of my slx rear mech corroded and the pulley cage no longer moved. Also, 3 xt 12spd shifters fail on me. On all three, one on the small springs that drives the shifts to easier gear/bigger cog breaks, then they can only shift to harder gears. Shimano has warrantied every I have listed, no questions asked. I do ride way more than most(endurance mtb racing is my thing) but this has been shocking to me, have had 11spd xt everything for years with zero issues. Think in the next year or two we'll start seeing massive recalls on all the 12spd parts as the average riders catch up with the mileage I put on my stuff.
Wow that is really interesting to hear. I haven't heard similar feedback from other people or my bike shop but it seems like a bit of a coincidence that you had so many failures yourself to not be a bigger issue. Time will tell, thanks for watching.
Thank you for this video! It's a really great resource for home mechanics. I bought the Deore 12s cassette since it was cheaper but am using an XT RD and XTR shifter.
gladly i got hope pro 4 micro spline and upgrade to 12 speed xt. love the smooth and fast shifting.. i love the shimano 12speed in a loud hub sound compared to silent one🤪..
Thanks for the video. I am seeing the 6 piece XT 8100 12-speed kit on EBay for only $520 shipped. Comes with cranks, RD, shifter, chain, cassette, and BB. We even have the option for crank length and chain ring size. THIS IS MUCH CHEAPER THAN SRAM X01. Since shifting and quality are tops, this drivetrain will most likely be on my next bike.
Thanks for this! I just installed my new Xt Drive train on my bike. Couldn’t get it to shift right! Turns out I ran the cable the opposite direction 🤦🏻who new that would make it skip two gears at a time!
I was hoping you’d go through the actual B gap setting, and any other small nuances of the new group set, as I am coming off years of SRAM and was curious the difference. I’ll figure it out in the garage tonight, but was hoping for some tips. I realize some of the stuff is super easy, like screw the derailleur onto the hanger, but why not highlight the nuances of the new group set beyond the basic stuff.
I talked about it, there isn’t really much to it. Adjust the B Gap to match the largest cog with the etching on the back of the derailleur whe the bike is compressed fully. Other than that it is the same as every other mechanical derailleur out there. Good luck!
Question - the first shift from the 10t cog to the 12t cog, is it extremely light feeling? On my setup it feels as if half the shift is just taking up cable slack.
Hi, thanks for the video, really informational. My XT 8100 groupset arrived today and on the derailleur there is a blob of green grease - you have it in the video as well at 4:40. Do you suggest leaving it in place to attract dirt or remove (most of) it? Thanks in advance!
Great video! I’m waiting on a microspline freehub body to come in so I can get XT on my bike. I’ve noticed on multiple SRAM drivetrains I’ve had that they’re very sensitive to fine tuning and seemingly in need of adjustment every few rides. How is the XT in terms of “set it and forget it,” if you will?
I would say it is that way, though I haven’t had that same experience as you with SRAM which I do not have to adjust regularly either. They are pretty equal.
Nice video. I notice in the instructions for the derailleur installation they say for the chain length: "For full suspension bikes, check the length without any load applied to the suspension." So this means I should not compress my bike's suspension, correct? I've always done that in the past with SRAM 1x. So, I don't need to do that with Shimano 1x12?
I am not sure I understand your question. Every bike I have ever had utilized a specific hanger which was not integrated to the frame. So whatever hanger your bike has should be fine.
@@IslandBikeLife Years ago, Shimano started making direct mount derailleurs which had to either be mounted on a direct mount hanger (the derailleur screw hole sits farther behind the axle than on standard hangers) or be mounted to a standard hanger with an additional b-link. I have a direct mount hanger on my bike and recently read these derailleurs are not compatible with direct mount hangers.
@@George1161 I haven't installed mine yet but a quick look suggests that with 8100 the b-link is integrated - the shape of bare 8100 corresponds to 8000 with b-link. So if you don't use a b-link with 8000 XT, I would say that 8100 won't fit.
@@pavel_zak Thanks! That's helpful. I ended up installing mine on a standard hanger (got rid of my direct mount) and so far it's great! I'm loving how smooth it shifts under load.
Covid buddy. I had a whole series planned for this year with TransBC that is now cancelled. It really was an all in type of move that didn't pay off. No one is running demos around here locally just yet so no new review content either. I had some trips planned all over that are all cancelled. I have a few ideas planned coming up so keep checking back. Appreciate the support and feedback!
Just subbed. I didn't think about the covid. A lot of the restrictions have been lifted where I'm at. Parks opened back so we can ride trails again. Looking forward to your upcoming vids , take care.
Can I use my current narrow wide front single chainring or is the new Shimano chairing a must? Such a waste of money to have to get new cranks/chainring instead of keeping my SRAM Nx crank that works perfectly.
Life Behind Bars Nice find. Just talked to Woolftooth and they have one but only comes in a goofy nickle color. They do have their CAMO system which is pretty cool and would work though too.
@@danstanley9341 I didn't know about the camo system. Ended up with the nickel plated one but it doesn't look bad on my black bike. I would have preferred a black one if available.
Been a shimano guy since day one, but been riding sram since the 12 speed came out and never been thrilled with the shifting. Can't wait to get back to shimano! You guys still riding on the island?
sean john ya...just bought a Trek Fuel Ex 9.8 It came with the option of either a Sram drivetrain or Shimano.. I opted for the SRAM. I think I might have made the wrong decision. It has the GX derailleur, seems a little clunky
Hey Bro I've been watching your vids I am a huge fan. You really motivated me to make my own biking channel. Do you know if there is anyway you can shout us out
How on earth can you or anyone else that does such videos give an honest review when the thing hasn't been used throughout the year . One would have to be seriously dumb as shit to take that as an honest review . Does the any of the parts last longer than a Year ???????????????? No point spending such cash if the parts don't last longer than a Year
Depending on how much you ride it might not. Measuring and replacing your chain often to prevent wear to the cassette will save you lots of money in the long run. The shifter and derailleur will last for years so long as you don’t crash and damage them. Inam not sure what your issue is, drive train parts are considered wear items. They don’t last forever but if you treat your bike properly, clean it and maintain it they will last. Calm yourself down a little bit.
I just got this installed on a new Hightower 2. Install was simple and shifting seems very smooth. Note that shimano’s dealer manual specs the cassette lock ring between 30-50 Nm. Much more than 10.
Another note is that the dealer manual states 5-6 links left on the chain for a full suspension bike. These are available at si.shimano.com.
Haha good catch. I could remember the exact number. I went hand right and then a turn with a wrench so scientifically 30-50nm
This is correct. My lockring has 40nm etched into it.
Very hard to beat. I love Shimano
I've had nothing but problems with the new shimano 12spd. 2 failed xt freehub mechanisms that started creaking, then locked on and turned into fixed gear hubs. That was terrifying! Then the mail pivot of my slx rear mech corroded and the pulley cage no longer moved. Also, 3 xt 12spd shifters fail on me. On all three, one on the small springs that drives the shifts to easier gear/bigger cog breaks, then they can only shift to harder gears. Shimano has warrantied every I have listed, no questions asked. I do ride way more than most(endurance mtb racing is my thing) but this has been shocking to me, have had 11spd xt everything for years with zero issues. Think in the next year or two we'll start seeing massive recalls on all the 12spd parts as the average riders catch up with the mileage I put on my stuff.
Wow that is really interesting to hear. I haven't heard similar feedback from other people or my bike shop but it seems like a bit of a coincidence that you had so many failures yourself to not be a bigger issue. Time will tell, thanks for watching.
Thank you for this video! It's a really great resource for home mechanics. I bought the Deore 12s cassette since it was cheaper but am using an XT RD and XTR shifter.
Thanks for watching!
Great tips thanks just bought my XT set
Thanks for watching!
gladly i got hope pro 4 micro spline and upgrade to 12 speed xt. love the smooth and fast shifting.. i love the shimano 12speed in a loud hub sound compared to silent one🤪..
i hve this set. thank you for this video sir.
Most welcome!
Thanks for the video. I am seeing the 6 piece XT 8100 12-speed kit on EBay for only $520 shipped. Comes with cranks, RD, shifter, chain, cassette, and BB. We even have the option for crank length and chain ring size. THIS IS MUCH CHEAPER THAN SRAM X01. Since shifting and quality are tops, this drivetrain will most likely be on my next bike.
Yeah the value on the SLX and XT are damn good!
@@IslandBikeLife i have a quick release 135mm rear hub. does this mean i can't install 12 speed?? i haven't found any wheels with 135mm hub
Thanks
No problem
Thanks for this! I just installed my new Xt Drive train on my bike. Couldn’t get it to shift right! Turns out I ran the cable the opposite direction 🤦🏻who new that would make it skip two gears at a time!
No problem 👍
Very good review.
Thanks for watching
I was hoping you’d go through the actual B gap setting, and any other small nuances of the new group set, as I am coming off years of SRAM and was curious the difference. I’ll figure it out in the garage tonight, but was hoping for some tips. I realize some of the stuff is super easy, like screw the derailleur onto the hanger, but why not highlight the nuances of the new group set beyond the basic stuff.
I talked about it, there isn’t really much to it. Adjust the B Gap to match the largest cog with the etching on the back of the derailleur whe the bike is compressed fully. Other than that it is the same as every other mechanical derailleur out there. Good luck!
Thank you 🚲 🚲 🚲
Welcome!
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Question - the first shift from the 10t cog to the 12t cog, is it extremely light feeling? On my setup it feels as if half the shift is just taking up cable slack.
Isn’t the xt chain directional? Markings are supposed to be facing outwards I’d reckon.
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Hi, thanks for the video, really informational. My XT 8100 groupset arrived today and on the derailleur there is a blob of green grease - you have it in the video as well at 4:40. Do you suggest leaving it in place to attract dirt or remove (most of) it? Thanks in advance!
I left it on there. After the first wash it will clean out any excess or small amount of dirt it might attract.
Great video! I’m waiting on a microspline freehub body to come in so I can get XT on my bike. I’ve noticed on multiple SRAM drivetrains I’ve had that they’re very sensitive to fine tuning and seemingly in need of adjustment every few rides. How is the XT in terms of “set it and forget it,” if you will?
I would say it is that way, though I haven’t had that same experience as you with SRAM which I do not have to adjust regularly either. They are pretty equal.
Can i cont to use my 11 speed xt boost crank on the 12 sp cassette,chain and durailluer?
how did you do it can you share with me , thank you
Can I put a 40T chainring (1x) to my slx m7100 12 speed drivetrain?
Nice video. I notice in the instructions for the derailleur installation they say for the chain length: "For full suspension bikes, check the length without any load applied to the suspension." So this means I should not compress my bike's suspension, correct? I've always done that in the past with SRAM 1x. So, I don't need to do that with Shimano 1x12?
That is correct
@@IslandBikeLife Thanks. I tested it with a longer chain based on compressed/shock frame to see but the two extra links made the chain too loose.
good day bro, your clips are very helpful thanks for that. one thing i want to ask how much is the XT group set M8100? :D
Depending on where you get it you are looking somewhere around $700 Canadian give or take.
Very helpful video! Do you have any idea if the derailleur should be installed on a direct mount hanger or a standard hanger?
I am not sure I understand your question. Every bike I have ever had utilized a specific hanger which was not integrated to the frame. So whatever hanger your bike has should be fine.
@@IslandBikeLife Years ago, Shimano started making direct mount derailleurs which had to either be mounted on a direct mount hanger (the derailleur screw hole sits farther behind the axle than on standard hangers) or be mounted to a standard hanger with an additional b-link. I have a direct mount hanger on my bike and recently read these derailleurs are not compatible with direct mount hangers.
@@George1161 I haven't installed mine yet but a quick look suggests that with 8100 the b-link is integrated - the shape of bare 8100 corresponds to 8000 with b-link. So if you don't use a b-link with 8000 XT, I would say that 8100 won't fit.
@@pavel_zak Thanks! That's helpful. I ended up installing mine on a standard hanger (got rid of my direct mount) and so far it's great! I'm loving how smooth it shifts under load.
I have a Deore 1x12 speed on a hardtail. Do I need to measure 3 or 4 extra links for a chain to measure chain length?
4-5 links plus the quick link
Why no new vids ? You have some really good content on this channel.
Covid buddy. I had a whole series planned for this year with TransBC that is now cancelled. It really was an all in type of move that didn't pay off. No one is running demos around here locally just yet so no new review content either. I had some trips planned all over that are all cancelled. I have a few ideas planned coming up so keep checking back. Appreciate the support and feedback!
Just subbed. I didn't think about the covid. A lot of the restrictions have been lifted where I'm at. Parks opened back so we can ride trails again. Looking forward to your upcoming vids , take care.
Can I use my current narrow wide front single chainring or is the new Shimano chairing a must? Such a waste of money to have to get new cranks/chainring instead of keeping my SRAM Nx crank that works perfectly.
I believe you will need a specific Shimano chainring.
Wolftooth makes a shimano 12 speed chainring that bolts to sram cranks.
Life Behind Bars Nice find. Just talked to Woolftooth and they have one but only comes in a goofy nickle color. They do have their CAMO system which is pretty cool and would work though too.
@@danstanley9341 I didn't know about the camo system. Ended up with the nickel plated one but it doesn't look bad on my black bike. I would have preferred a black one if available.
@@lifebehindbars4667 I think Race Face makes one in black, see r2-bike.com/RACE-FACE-Chainring-Direct-Mount-SRAM-MTB-Crank-Narrow-Wide-1-speed-black
Been a shimano guy since day one, but been riding sram since the 12 speed came out and never been thrilled with the shifting. Can't wait to get back to shimano! You guys still riding on the island?
sean john ya...just bought a Trek Fuel Ex 9.8 It came with the option of either a Sram drivetrain or Shimano.. I opted for the SRAM. I think I might have made the wrong decision. It has the GX derailleur, seems a little clunky
Yeah, we got a big storm but it melted away pretty fast! Love it here, ride 51 weeks of the year easily!
Island Bike Life oh nice I'm going to have to make the trip, I got a major itch to ride my bike!
hello sir, i got 11 speed drivetrain. is it compatible? 10-45 cogs m8100? thanks.
Is hope pro 4 straight pull 12x142 hub , would it fit the m8100 10-45t cassette? Im planning to buy the micro spline adaptor. Thanks
Close your eyes and you can hear Tony Stark
Haha, thanks for watching!
hey do you know if the shimano 12 speed chains are directional? nice overview cheers
I put the writing facing out like the other Shimano chains but I cannot day that it is required 100%
Yes they are. At least when you unpack the chain there is a sticker showing the writing should be facing out.
Typo on front graphic.
Thanks, will update it later today, appreciate the heads up
Are these direct mount or can I mount these on regular hangers?
no direct mount
@@pascusclan2941 Nice, that means that I'll be able to use one on my bike without a b-link! 👍
I have a hardtail, 2 links longer or shorter?
Check shimano dealer site. 4 to five links for hard tail depending
si.shimano.com/pdfs/dm/DM-MARD001-00-ENG.pdf
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how long was the chain before you cut it 116l or 126l?
I cannot remember.
a 12 speed chain is 126 so i assume 126 links
sadly bought my xt groupset with 116l chain and it's too short. bought another chain with 126l but cut it down to 120l
why r u afraid to say the weight? that's one of the reasons we watch
Ride what you have and don't even bother! Shifting is agricultural!
Useless video. Vague information. Title suggests your going to go through the details of how to install and setup...
Overweight class groupsets..just get on your d bike and loose some kg's
Congratulations, you won today’s dumb ass comment.
Hey Bro I've been watching your vids I am a huge fan. You really motivated me to make my own biking channel. Do you know if there is anyway you can shout us out
this is not even close to a review.
This is not even close to a good comment.
How on earth can you or anyone else that does such videos give an honest review when the thing hasn't been used throughout the year .
One would have to be seriously dumb as shit to take that as an honest review . Does the any of the parts last longer than a Year ???????????????? No point spending such cash if the parts don't last longer than a Year
Depending on how much you ride it might not. Measuring and replacing your chain often to prevent wear to the cassette will save you lots of money in the long run. The shifter and derailleur will last for years so long as you don’t crash and damage them. Inam not sure what your issue is, drive train parts are considered wear items. They don’t last forever but if you treat your bike properly, clean it and maintain it they will last. Calm yourself down a little bit.
You need to torque the cassette to 40 nm, not 10nm 😂😠don’t make a video and not know what you’re talking about
Yup 40nm. Already corrected that error. Relax a little bit.
Slx cassette also microspline or no?
The 12 speed SLX is micro spline.