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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ค. 2024
- I wanted to take my time with this review, make sure I was getting most of the hardware working as best as I could. This my 2nd most expensive ARM based system. The TL;DR is it is worth the extra money, but as with anything new, there are always things I would like to see in a future product from Khadas. Overall the build quality of the board is excellent.
If you are wondering where the details of how to setup the tests, you can find them in the Khadas Documentation under Application Notes. Note: There is a fix for a problem with WebGL setup which s documented on their forums. If you see WebGL errors while attempting to load one of the WebGL samples.
Chapters
00:00 - Intro
01:05 - Hardware
05:41 - Pricing
06:41 - Install and a Few Tests
07:05 - Fresh Linux Distro Install
09:17 - Update System
10:10 - Checkout Memory. Disk use
12:30 - SDL2 Test
14:12 - Need to set Environment Variable
15:15 - WebGL Test
20:12 - Remove Chromium and run Snap Version
21:29 - KASM Test with Snaps Chromium
23:17 - Docker Test
24:22 - Summary of Tests
28:26 - Benchmarks
35:59 - Recap and Wrapup
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The large failing in ARM repeats, year after year, after year. They place on these boards what I assume to be actually fantastic GPU parts. They then fail to provide kernel drivers, or user drivers - by drivers I mean true drivers that can capture the real potential. Instead we get these driver blobs that either are crippled, broken, or that only work in some weird way, and fail everywhere else.
And as the years roll by, the power and capability have gone up, but X86/64 has come down. The supply chain issues helped no one, but have been pretty raw on ARM. I can literally buy good N5105, or N5100 boxes that kick around in terms of base computing the majority of ARM kit, and they come with broad features and so on. I've felt this way for maybe 3 years now. ARM isn't the low cost, low power, very avail platform that it could have been/should be. OK, so If I need GPIO pins, or edge cases I can make some excuses, but in General computing, ARM is failing in core areas, and those failures are long running areas that grate.
We almost actually need a new Raspberry PI and I really mean that. If the options are £100+ ARM boards, then they sit in prime low end low power PC areas and the PC parts in general compute provide a better feature set..
I hope one day one of the SoC makers will say, hey what if we tried using the latest generation ARM chips, get a complete set of drivers out, put the latest memory, storage and network hardware on the the board and have it all working day of release. When I listened to Eben Upton talking about Raspberry Pi he was focused on getting more Pi 4 parts out, makes me wonder if they focused instead on designing a Pi 5 with available inventory if that would be a better long term plan than focusing on a board which is already almost 3 years old.
@@CyberGizmo While this isn't true in every case, in many a case with SBCs, they will publish the hardware capability of the GPUs. When you get an OS on board you'll get 2D only drivers, with no 3D, and poor video playback in browser and general usage. Its like going back to 1992. And if these boards were £20 and there was communal improvement - then maybe. To be fair to Khadas, their board isn't terrible and I really like the OS install tool. But its very expensive for what is a limited compute platform.
In terms of Pi org - I'm a brit so what they did was amazing. They actually got the blob drivers and the rest 'working', so when you buy the platform, you get a working OS. Except its either massively expensive, or unobtainium. Even when they had avail, the price had begun creeping upwards.
Here is what I would do if I ran PI. You are right about PI5, but if they can't supply 4, then dunno where they supply 5 from. And the price is simply no longer in their 'maker' ball park any more. If they can't get back to making great low cost computers - then ---
1 / I'd look to widen parts list, so by that not be limited to broadcom.
2. / I'd look to widen Raspberry PI OS so that it becomes like a windows on arm platform. A growing list of supported boards that work properly.
3. / I'd build a 'workstation' class of ARM Laptops, with expansion in memory, disk, IO. (11", 13") - 2 sodimm slots (8, 16,32gb), 2 NVME slots, USB, SD card, network. I'd sell it barebones (or offer a low end model) and let the end users upgrade
4. / I'd look to do the same in a small desktop workstation box as above.
5. / If parts of the above are out of reach, then I'd like to partner up with partners and ODMs - So for example reach out to Pine64 phone and laptop people and open discussions around collaboration. Devices from 3rd parties could get 'Raspberry Pi' certification or 'something'.
I have an Nvidia Jetson Nano. Its built buy the big boys and is a class A ARM crapfest of under-development, could not give a hoot support, and from what I read if like me you got one, you are going to be left with 18.x Ubuntu and suck it.
ARM is literally a whole industry who will sell you landfill, and fire and forget a SOC your way, and leave it to the 'community' to finish their board.
In comparison, you can buy some PC stuff that is frankly utter budget, and you install Linux and or windows, and or more, and in the main everything will work. Even their on paper garbage GPUs in actual real world usage make a lot of SOC stuff look utterly stupid.
The whole ARM thing actually makes me angry. I like ARM, but the whole ecosystem generally, aside from a few who get it right, is a repeating sh1tshow. :/
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Thank you very much for the informative and timely video. I was looking at Edge 2 (model ARM PC). I thought of buying it as a "back up" desktop for myself. The PRO version is priced at $370, the power adapter is not included, so that extra cost.
Makes me wonder, why many of SBCs look like "half-baked", lacking either on a software or on a hardware side.
As you pointed out, Edge 2 (for its price):
1) doesn't have a Gigabit Ethernet;
2) There only 2 USB ports (1x USB 3 and 1x USB 2);
3) There is no way to add a sizeable NVME storage, so practically USB3 will be used for a portable drive and USB2 for a keyboard.
4) I might be missing it, but I do not see an Audio jack either.
Not exactly a substitute for a desktop!
At the same time, I read that NVIDIA Orin Nano is scheduled for the release. The developer kit is priced at $500. There are 4 USB3 ports, Ethernet and wi-fi, plus 2x M.2 Key M for SSD and 8GB 128-bit LPDDR5 memory. The power adapter is included in the price. Add in cost of an SSD and we are looking at $600 plus delivery cost. Not particularly cheap!
Interesting dilemma: Edge 2 is cheaper (but not super-cheap), but has limited connectivity. Orin Nano is pricier, has excess computational power, but seems to be highly usable.
Did you try Panfork? As long as Collabora hasn't released Mesa/Panfrost for the RK3588, you will need to fall back to the blob.
Not yet, will try it @LivingLinux
Would guess that the raw throughput disappointment has a lot to do with the laptop "LP" memory most installed on these SBCs. Full power, dual channel memory may make these little boards run too hot?
True, lot of factors holding these little machines back, all a matter of balance between performance and cost. One of these days will will get a real desktop competitor, I just hope its soon.
@@CyberGizmo I take note of your pointing out NVMe and PCI4 lacking. I don't know how much that would cost as part of the Bill of Materials. System level I/O will out definitely, couldn't agree more.
@@CyberGizmo An ancient Atom J1900, in mini-ITX, with (chuckles) DDR2 memory, can still passably run an accelerated X desktop, VLC playback, and modern browser, better than any ARM SBC I have personally used. Wished I knew why. Maybe RISC-V will come to the rescue. I long for a fanless $100 desktop PC alternative that will bring competition back to the field like in the Socket-7 era.
@@GnuReligion LOL, I actually have one of those old machines, and I can tell you for sure it made a better server than a desktop hahaha
Is that the aquarium in Germany that exploded?
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