I personally have both the Seiko and Citizen watches too. I feel this Seiko presage model is still very common in the market. The special texture dial of Citizen Kuroshio and the ability to look at the clock during the night are the great advantageous for me. Also I am wearing the history of citizen Kuroshio 64 with limited edition status that makes the watch even more outstanding. In the end I keep the citizen Kuroshio 64 green dial watch instead in my collection.
This citizen is a hidden gem honestly ! I've got the one with the green dial with the metal band . Out of my 4 automatics ( 2 miyota 9000 series and 1 swiss Ronda movement ) this one HOLDS TIME the best ! Keeping it on a winder a whole day and it lost ZERO seconds . Had it off a winder for nearly 3 days and it was still running when I returned and had only lost 1 minute of time ! Incredible piece
@@dinodiaz3532 yep ! Update I've now got a tissot gentleman with the powermatic 80 . The kuroshio is STILL the BEST time keeper the damn thing kept time with the atomic time for two days straight ! Crazy
History of the citizen, much more interesting. Quality of the piece, easily as good as the presage. I have one, had three, kept the gimlet with the 4r57 movement but the citizen with that 8310 movement is just cool. The dial on the Seiko is so common amongst the presage lineup now and the case finishing is the same across the board. I do like my presage, it doesn’t get the wrist time the citizen get however. Good review man, keep it up!
History has Nothing to do with anything. Lexus had No history whatsoever when they hit the market back in 89' with the most refined car any money can buy.
Dat intro!! Awesome vid, I gotta agree with everything you had pointed out as well! I think it’s time I give Citizen a try now haha. Great job and beautiful watches! 😎🍻👍
@@TheTownWatch awesome! If you still have it available for sale after I buy my Tudor Black Bay I’ll definitely consider! Hoping to get the BB very soon. 😊👍
The moment citizens extra 20 hour power reserve was discounted as though it was nothing...n seiko movement got the same rating...it was a clear indicator that seiko was going to be the winner... Don't get me wrong, im a seiko fanboy. I have 3. But this comparison made me wanna buy my first ever citizen. And honestly the only places seiko scored better was the dial and the strap, that dial is truly gorgeous. But when the action of the handwinder of citizen so smooth and not as loud it really impressed me.. Now for the fun part, since i relocated to thailand my research showed me that that the citizen if for $220 and readily available.. really thank you for the comparison..#subscribed
Found this video on the day after I bought my Kuroshio'64, very nice comparision! Here in Hong Kong the discounted price is about US$40 lower than the Seiko Presage basic model. I hesitated between the green and the beige dial, but indeed the green Kuroshio is not as brilliant as Seiko, but the beige one looks much better in real, with a texture like pressed Japanese Washi paper. I only know some Grand Seiko provides such kind of texture on their dials.
Awesome Intro!!! Luv the vid!!! In your opinion, how would the Seiko SARB035 compare to the Citizen NK-0001-17x (Cream Dial)? Great content.... keep em comin Josh!!!
agree. i have a tissot navigator with the eta. winding is terrible. the bigger crown with that knurling on seiko makes all the difference for me. i'm guessing that the citizen is harder to wind cause the crown is just like the navigator, only smaller.
Brilliant video, nicely done. I have a couple of Seiko presage watches in my collection, now want to have some variety. Really liked the Citizen watch here but as you correctly mentioned it is a bit large. Would you be able to recommend something similar but maybe with smaller dimensions especially lug to lug? Thanks.
This was great, Josh. Do another in the future. I think the Seiko does pip Citizen in this match. However it’s really encouraging to see how well Citizen can be when going up against a bigger brand.
Hahahaha love it. Just watched your reviews of these 2x separately, now I'm watching this one hoping for closure. This feels like the finale. Let's do it!
Yes, I love a good showdown! Excellent presentation style with the side by side video. I also wanted the Citizen to win as well, but I agree with your scoring and would also keep the Mockingbird. One note Hardlex is theoretically slightly more scratch resistant than a regular mineral crystal.
Thanks for watching man! Glad you enjoyed the head to head! I hope to test out a hardlex vs a mineral crystal sometime soon on the channel! 😁 Stay tuned!
Are there 1959 models for each color or just that many models? It’s not clear where somewhere on the lid they write ASIA instead of the watch number, somewhere ASIA and the watch number. Somewhere a yellow box, somewhere a white one! What does it mean? Fakes? Or do some markets/retailers have different designs?
History on that citizen is just too cool, presage is such a common piece now. Soon people will be shovelling them under their tires for traction in winter storms. And how often do you see an automatic citizen? Never. Can’t even get one through my AD.
@@TheTownWatch it was a good video my friend. I will add that maybe because of its uniqueness I might side for the citizen but overall I think the seiko looks better
You should have taken into account the 'Limited Edition' feature of the Citizen watch. For an avid watch buyer, it would be advantageous to know that not many people would own the Kuroshio '64. For that reason alone, I would pick the Citizen. Also, I believe the Miyota Movement at 60 hour power reserve is better than the Seiko,. I hope you did not sell the Citizen, you will regret it.
Hands down, Citizen. The Presage is a bit on the plain side. The Citizen however, has a more interesting dial, a great movement, better story IMO. I also think (even though they are similar in size) the Citizen looks smaller because the dial is narrower and the indices are large. I'd argue the case back is also more elegant with the limited edition engraving and the movement looks better without the large gold rotor. Personally, I connect with the Citizen story - something completely missed - it is based in history; Verses, the non descript Presage. There you have it.
Citizen will win my heart if they give saphire, 50$ less price, same clasp as seiko , and longer second hand , though the case over than seiko with brushing on the side, bcause i ve seen people sell this pressage with scraches on the side case
I agree that the Presage is better-ish BUT if I could only have 1 I'd want the citizen. The presage doesn't feel special even if it's better. But the the handset with the golden second hand is hard to resist 🙈
Love the showdown but agree the Seiko takes it ,having tried the green on bracelet very comfortable but do like the Citizen & background. I think availability of decent Citizen automatics is an issue in the west specifically the UK.
The Seiko Presage green is so outstanding. The color and dial design is one of the most beautiful I've ever seen. It's going to be one of my first nice watches.
Seiko charges way too much for their Presages to not have sapphire on them. I really wish the Citizen had a sapphire crystal. It would be a slam dunk to buy one.
You are clearly a Seiko fan; I knew from the start that you would rate Seiko higher. What I don't much like about Seiko is, you don't know where they are made, it can be Malasia, Singapore, Japan or China yet they all have Made in Japan stamped on them. Buy a Citizen and you know you will get an authentic Japanese watch; they make all their own parts in Japan.
I think it’s a very reasonable request! Most micro brands have sapphire at this same price point, not to mention many of the watches on AliExpress! Thanks for watching!
@@TheTownWatch You’re right, but these aren’t micro brands or aliexpress watches. They’re Seiko and Citizen. If you buy a junghans max bill and want to upgrade from domed mineral to sapphire, it costs like 300 euros. So I totally understand what you’re saying but the bigger brands won’t do it at this price.
@@cdav5552 It doesn’t make sense to me why they won’t though! Hopefully the micro brands who are using sapphire will provoke the mainstream brands to do the same at lower price points.
@@TheTownWatch I wish they would too, but can’t see it happening. Bigger brands have more overheads than micros so they generally can’t sell as cheaply. You’re also paying more for the brand name and the heritage. Just the way it is unfortunately.
This is crime. They could fix up the main drawback of Seiko's beautiful watch: mineral glass. Instead they also made mineral glass and we still do not have beautiful watch of this kind with sapphire
Good intro and yes I agree they don't give sapphire glass even at this range😭...presage was clear winner and since citizen lost you probably wana give away 😂.
My vote goes to Orient Bambino 4th generation. They're elegant, cheap, and total strap monsters with all in house movements just like their Citizen/Seiko counterparts. Thanks Orient! 👋
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I personally have both the Seiko and Citizen watches too. I feel this Seiko presage model is still very common in the market. The special texture dial of Citizen Kuroshio and the ability to look at the clock during the night are the great advantageous for me. Also I am wearing the history of citizen Kuroshio 64 with limited edition status that makes the watch even more outstanding. In the end I keep the citizen Kuroshio 64 green dial watch instead in my collection.
Thanks for watching! These are both great watches!
This citizen is a hidden gem honestly ! I've got the one with the green dial with the metal band . Out of my 4 automatics ( 2 miyota 9000 series and 1 swiss Ronda movement ) this one HOLDS TIME the best ! Keeping it on a winder a whole day and it lost ZERO seconds . Had it off a winder for nearly 3 days and it was still running when I returned and had only lost 1 minute of time ! Incredible piece
That's awesome! Thanks for watching!
My son also swears to the precision of his Kuroshio. I bought one for myself.
@@dinodiaz3532 yep ! Update I've now got a tissot gentleman with the powermatic 80 . The kuroshio is STILL the BEST time keeper the damn thing kept time with the atomic time for two days straight ! Crazy
I loved the comparison video. Thanks so much.
Thanks for watching!
History of the citizen, much more interesting. Quality of the piece, easily as good as the presage. I have one, had three, kept the gimlet with the 4r57 movement but the citizen with that 8310 movement is just cool. The dial on the Seiko is so common amongst the presage lineup now and the case finishing is the same across the board. I do like my presage, it doesn’t get the wrist time the citizen get however. Good review man, keep it up!
That's cool that you have both of these! I think they are both pretty awesome! Thanks for watching!
History has Nothing to do with anything. Lexus had No history whatsoever when they hit the market back in 89' with the most refined car any money can buy.
Dat intro!! Awesome vid, I gotta agree with everything you had pointed out as well! I think it’s time I give Citizen a try now haha. Great job and beautiful watches! 😎🍻👍
Thanks brother! If you’d like to buy the Citizen, I’ll give you a good price! 😁
@@TheTownWatch awesome! If you still have it available for sale after I buy my Tudor Black Bay I’ll definitely consider! Hoping to get the BB very soon. 😊👍
@@DavidSchwartzjr Wow! That’s going to be awesome brother! Look forward to seeing the BB on your channel!!
@@TheTownWatch thanks brother! Me too! Haha 😅 First one and I’m sure it won’t be the last one!
The moment citizens extra 20 hour power reserve was discounted as though it was nothing...n seiko movement got the same rating...it was a clear indicator that seiko was going to be the winner...
Don't get me wrong, im a seiko fanboy. I have 3. But this comparison made me wanna buy my first ever citizen. And honestly the only places seiko scored better was the dial and the strap, that dial is truly gorgeous. But when the action of the handwinder of citizen so smooth and not as loud it really impressed me..
Now for the fun part, since i relocated to thailand my research showed me that that the citizen if for $220 and readily available.. really thank you for the comparison..#subscribed
Glad you enjoyed! Thanks for the good comment and for subscribing!
The Seiko crushes that Citizen. Not even close.
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Agree
I hope that was as much fun to record as it was to watch. Great video!
Thanks Peter! I did have fun making this one although it took longer than I would have hoped! Appreciate you watching and commenting!
Awesome review thanks for sharing from Australia 🇦🇺
Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed!
Great video like the into a lot
Appreciate it Chris! Which one would you pick?
Found this video on the day after I bought my Kuroshio'64, very nice comparision! Here in Hong Kong the discounted price is about US$40 lower than the Seiko Presage basic model. I hesitated between the green and the beige dial, but indeed the green Kuroshio is not as brilliant as Seiko, but the beige one looks much better in real, with a texture like pressed Japanese Washi paper. I only know some Grand Seiko provides such kind of texture on their dials.
Awesome! Hope you enjoy it! Thanks for watching!
Amazing comparison, super helpful 👍👍👍
Thanks for watching Amin! Glad you enjoyed!
Awesome Intro!!! Luv the vid!!! In your opinion, how would the Seiko SARB035 compare to the Citizen NK-0001-17x (Cream Dial)? Great content.... keep em comin Josh!!!
I’ll have to check those out. Thanks for watching!
What watch is on the lower row, second from the right? The last one that you took out? Thanks!
Citizen Nighthawk. Check out my video where I compare the original version to the newer version - th-cam.com/video/mdLELm2W-Lc/w-d-xo.html
@@TheTownWatch Thank you, especially for the interesting comparison video. I too like the old version more
I agree with your assessment but you should keep the Citizen It's still a beautiful watch and their will be a time when you will miss it.
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love the dramatic intro. nice setup. great editing too.
Thanks my friend! That means a lot coming from you! 🙏
Just realized the new laurel alpinist reissue looks almost exactly like that presage except with sapphire glass!
Very nice! Thanks for watching!
I would want to wear them everyday just so I could look at the beautiful dials. WoW
agree. i have a tissot navigator with the eta. winding is terrible. the bigger crown with that knurling on seiko makes all the difference for me. i'm guessing that the citizen is harder to wind cause the crown is just like the navigator, only smaller.
great comparison dude!! before watching i would have gone with Citizen but agree with you the presage takes the prize!!
Thanks for watching man!
The Citizen wins in my book. Excellent lume! All around more beautiful.
Thanks for watching and sharing your pick!
In this case, the Seiko wins: because it has a larger date window, a better looking dial, however the automatic script looks better on the Citizen.
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Brilliant video, nicely done. I have a couple of Seiko presage watches in my collection, now want to have some variety. Really liked the Citizen watch here but as you correctly mentioned it is a bit large. Would you be able to recommend something similar but maybe with smaller dimensions especially lug to lug? Thanks.
For a smaller affordable dress watch I would definitely check out the Orient Bambino line. Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed this video!
My god thanks for this, i couldn't decide
Glad to help! I hope you'll consider subscribing and check out the rest of my content!
This was great, Josh. Do another in the future. I think the Seiko does pip Citizen in this match. However it’s really encouraging to see how well Citizen can be when going up against a bigger brand.
Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed!
Hahahaha love it. Just watched your reviews of these 2x separately, now I'm watching this one hoping for closure. This feels like the finale. Let's do it!
Thanks for watching! So, which one is your pick?
@@TheTownWatch Agree with you, I've gotta go with the Seiko! Although I wish it had the lume in the dark, that's a nice touch on the Citizen.
@@anthonyreed480 👍😃Cool! Hope the video was helpful! Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@TheTownWatch Take one more for the algorithm! Subbed.
@@anthonyreed480 Appreciate that!
Thanks for sharing. A movement precision test would have been helpful and an important criterion. They are time tellers first.
This is true! Should include that! Thanks for watching!
The Citizen on video winds better, maybe less smooth in hand. You want discounts and sapphire???
Yes, I love a good showdown! Excellent presentation style with the side by side video.
I also wanted the Citizen to win as well, but I agree with your scoring and would also keep the Mockingbird.
One note Hardlex is theoretically slightly more scratch resistant than a regular mineral crystal.
Thanks for watching man! Glad you enjoyed the head to head! I hope to test out a hardlex vs a mineral crystal sometime soon on the channel! 😁 Stay tuned!
Are there 1959 models for each color or just that many models? It’s not clear where somewhere on the lid they write ASIA instead of the watch number, somewhere ASIA and the watch number. Somewhere a yellow box, somewhere a white one! What does it mean? Fakes? Or do some markets/retailers have different designs?
I want that citizen!!! You should checkout the citizen c7 automatic! Not sold in the USA but its an homage to their first glass watch from the 60s
I’ll have to check that out! Thanks for watching!
Was looking forward to this, was great to see the head to head and really well done Josh, nice I'd go with the Seiko to 👍
Thanks for watching brother! Good choice! 😉😅
Very nice comparison vid.
Thank you very much for watching! Which watch would you have picked?
@@TheTownWatch both look great but prefer high polishing. So I choose seiko
@@WINDINGCROWNS 👍
Great watches Seiko was the winner in my eyes aswell if your selling the citizen I buy it ? Do you have box & papers
Hey! Thanks for watching! I've already sold the Citizen!
Great battle. Great job on the scoring. Agreed with all the scores. The Seiko wins hands down. 🙌
Thanks brother! Appreciate it! I knew you were in the Seiko’s corner. 😁
History on that citizen is just too cool, presage is such a common piece now. Soon people will be shovelling them under their tires for traction in winter storms. And how often do you see an automatic citizen? Never. Can’t even get one through my AD.
The Seiko Presage dial is sufficient to buy it. Yes, on looks alone. It outshines watches many times more expensive.
They're great! Thanks for watching!
I agree with the decision but I also would put the citizen in the collection as well since it is limited edition lol
😁 Thanks for watching! These are both awesome watches!
Before finishing the video I’ll just say that imo the seiko has the more refined dial so I’d go for that one
You’re a prophet! 😅 Thanks for watching!
@@TheTownWatch it was a good video my friend. I will add that maybe because of its uniqueness I might side for the citizen but overall I think the seiko looks better
Two beauties! The Seiko is prettier. The only area the citizen wins for me is the crown and the lume!
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I love seiko but in this video, citizen should take the crown in my honest opinion…
Thanks for watching and sharing your honest thoughts!
I love the case back of the citizen more, just slightly.
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You should have taken into account the 'Limited Edition' feature of the Citizen watch. For an avid watch buyer, it would be advantageous to know that not many people would own the Kuroshio '64. For that reason alone, I would pick the Citizen.
Also, I believe the Miyota Movement at 60 hour power reserve is better than the Seiko,. I hope you did not sell the Citizen, you will regret it.
Good points! Thanks for watching! I did sell both of these watches actually! 😅
Hands down, Citizen. The Presage is a bit on the plain side. The Citizen however, has a more interesting dial, a great movement, better story IMO. I also think (even though they are similar in size) the Citizen looks smaller because the dial is narrower and the indices are large. I'd argue the case back is also more elegant with the limited edition engraving and the movement looks better without the large gold rotor. Personally, I connect with the Citizen story - something completely missed - it is based in history; Verses, the non descript Presage. There you have it.
You can get that Citizen for £190 on creation watches - no brainer for me as the Presage is considerably more.
I think the Citizen has more horological history. I prefer the Citizen.
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Citizen will win my heart if they give saphire, 50$ less price, same clasp as seiko , and longer second hand , though the case over than seiko with brushing on the side, bcause i ve seen people sell this pressage with scraches on the side case
I agree that the Presage is better-ish BUT if I could only have 1 I'd want the citizen. The presage doesn't feel special even if it's better. But the the handset with the golden second hand is hard to resist 🙈
😁 Thanks for watching! I know it's a hard choice!
@@TheTownWatch Im interested in purchasing one of these. Now that you've had the Seiko a while are you still satisfied with it? Thanks.
Love the showdown but agree the Seiko takes it ,having tried the green on bracelet very comfortable but do like the Citizen & background. I think availability of decent Citizen automatics is an issue in the west specifically the UK.
Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed the video!
They're both beautiful watches! Were you able to do an accuracy test? Was either better in that respect?
Something I should have done but didn’t! I need to get a timegrapher to make that a little easier to do!
@@TheTownWatch I just employ the old "synch it to a quartz watch & see where it's at in 24 hrs" method!
@@chriscon8463 Absolutely! That works. I usually use time.gov to do something like that!
@@TheTownWatch Thanks; I’ll check that out.
Citizen kuroshio 👍🏻🎊🎉
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Switch greens and the citizen would win 🙃
That would be interesting! Thanks for watching!
Close one! Both look great though 👍
Thanks Bob! Interested in buying the Citizen? ☺️
currently cited makes good seiko watches
❤ it was great i just buy it today
Citizen gets a bonus for adding lume.
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Totally right about the crystal.
😊 Thanks for watching!
The Seiko Presage green is so outstanding. The color and dial design is one of the most beautiful I've ever seen.
It's going to be one of my first nice watches.
Hope you enjoy it! Thanks for watching!
The Seiko has an available bracelet, don't think the Citizen does. No sapphire but the best dials under $1000
Thanks for watching Mark! Some of the other Citizen Kuroshio models have bracelets with them.
Seiko charges way too much for their Presages to not have sapphire on them. I really wish the Citizen had a sapphire crystal. It would be a slam dunk to buy one.
Absolutely! Thanks for watching!
You are clearly a Seiko fan; I knew from the start that you would rate Seiko higher. What I don't much like about Seiko is, you don't know where they are made, it can be Malasia, Singapore, Japan or China yet they all have Made in Japan stamped on them. Buy a Citizen and you know you will get an authentic Japanese watch; they make all their own parts in Japan.
I like Citizen and Seiko, I tried to be as unbiased and objective as I could be. Thanks for watching!
Sorry but not sure you can really expect domed sapphire crystal at this price point. It’s expensive!
I think it’s a very reasonable request! Most micro brands have sapphire at this same price point, not to mention many of the watches on AliExpress! Thanks for watching!
@@TheTownWatch You’re right, but these aren’t micro brands or aliexpress watches. They’re Seiko and Citizen. If you buy a junghans max bill and want to upgrade from domed mineral to sapphire, it costs like 300 euros. So I totally understand what you’re saying but the bigger brands won’t do it at this price.
@@cdav5552 It doesn’t make sense to me why they won’t though! Hopefully the micro brands who are using sapphire will provoke the mainstream brands to do the same at lower price points.
@@TheTownWatch I wish they would too, but can’t see it happening. Bigger brands have more overheads than micros so they generally can’t sell as cheaply. You’re also paying more for the brand name and the heritage. Just the way it is unfortunately.
Bro doesn't know that Miyota 8315 is not the same as 8215.
Citizen has the better looking indices, but is let down by the wrinkle finish dial which is not as nice looking as seiko dial.
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Both are very nice .My only dress watch is similar, the Orient Curator ,but chose it over these because I love a power reserve indicator.
Nice! Thanks for watching!
The sewing needle second hand on the Seiko is better.
I love that second hand! Thanks for watching!
Let's get ready to Ruuumble !!
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Both companies should be installing sapphire i agree. I won't buy a non- sapphire watch anymore.
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I prefer the Citizen.
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This is crime. They could fix up the main drawback of Seiko's beautiful watch: mineral glass. Instead they also made mineral glass and we still do not have beautiful watch of this kind with sapphire
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Good intro and yes I agree they don't give sapphire glass even at this range😭...presage was clear winner and since citizen lost you probably wana give away 😂.
Thanks for watching! Going to try and sell this one! 😄
The movement on the Citizen is better presented.
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My vote goes to Orient Bambino 4th generation. They're elegant, cheap, and total strap monsters with all in house movements just like their Citizen/Seiko counterparts.
Thanks Orient! 👋
Orient Bambinos are great! Thanks for watching!
I prefer citizen, better day & night legibility
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Lost me on the rotter, finishing and the power reserve.
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Shappire chrystal common!!!!!!😂
The dial on the Citizen looks like wrinkled skin, or paint. I don't like it. And Citizen has a bad habit of using small date windows.
😅 wrinkled skin! That's funny!
Citizen has LUM on hands and dial while Seiko does not!
Citizen best watch of the world
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Seiko, I agree. Just looks slightly better, although I wish it had lume.
CITIZEN 🥰👌🌹💞🍻💯
Seiko win
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Seiko doesn't compete in quartz. Citizens caliber 0100 is unbeaten.
100%
Citizen is the winner
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Seiko screwed up by not using cursive for the automatic text.
Good point.
Citizen is just half the price of Seiko ,
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First by accident
By the way I bet all my pension fund on the citizen. Next time I'll bribe both the judge and jury!
😅 Do you really like the Citizen better?
@@TheTownWatch Yup! But w/white dial
@@manusverzoni2384 Nice!
Both are oversized and look odd on your wrist.
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Both of them is shit if they dont have saphire glass 😁
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This is so dorky 🤦🏻♂️
時計の紹介にしてはうるさいし時計自体のしゃくが短い、髭面のオッサンうるさい
you picked the wrong one
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This seiko presage is garbage and overpriced.
All these pencil-wristed reviewers want smaller watches. Go to the gym.
What exercises can you do to grow your wrist?