I mean… It would be character development at least, and it would show a side of Sonic that doesn’t really get explored all much. Yeah, he loves his friends, in the way he loves them like they’re his family. But still. Between Sonic Frontiers and Sonic Prime, I’m noticing Sonic has become a lot more caring and compassionate towards Amy recently. Because usually the whole bit with them is Amy has a crush on him, Sonic brushes her off but still cares for her as a friend. But those two instances were different.
I've never really been interested in Sonic having a girlfriend (mostly cause the writing is never really there for good romantic relationships) but I think you've done a good job at showing me why that's not inherently a bad thing and why Sonic's free spirit while being a good definition of his character, can be used wrongfully as a limiter to emotions. As time went on, these mandates just make the world blander. Sonic can't have massive flaws and if he's out of comission, all of his genius powerhouse, never, not too far off in power from him friends are powerless. That's just not as interesting as it was before and I think it really limits what you can do. I'm not asking for Sonic to constantly hinder his team or cry all the time or for someone like Shadow to be a sensitive boy who recycles. I just want characters to get some of their layers back.
Frontiers is already returning a lot of this, so the latter part of your comment seems off. Even before Frontiers released, they were already easing up or even rolling back on some of the mandates.
@@darkhorse744 Frontiers is definitely a big step in the right direction but outside of IDW (which still suffers from stuff like Shadow's character and Sonic's emotional range still being a bit shotty) I don't really see the previous recent efforts within the series to try and get things back on track.
@@castform7 I see as a start, I remember hearing somewhere that Frontiers was trying to re-establish characters and the world again after all the years of the series basically ignoring it's own lore. The planet even finally has a name via Tailstube and they've even given a reason at to why the animal people barely show up in some games. It isn't perfect and it doesn't put the series back to what it was before (which I wouldn't be completely interested in seeing return), but it's a good starting point.
Amy is probably the best choice(or close to it, lol). He's the most like himself around Amy. Sonic takes Mina the Mongoose for granted, Fiona really doesn't like Sonic, Blaze is just too different from how Sonic is, and Sonic would have to become king in order to marry Sally Acorn. He wouldn't be able to run around as much! XD
The way Amy was actually written in the Adventure games, Heroes and 06 are badly misinterpreted here. She's not just obsessed with Sonic mindlessly, and her love for Sonic being the core of her motivation is not a problem. In SA1, she wanted to be more independent because she didn't want to be a burden on Sonic. She wants Sonic's respect, and she wants to join in on Sonic's adventures. SA2 follows up on this, it's the motive behind every action she takes all game. In Heroes, this continues further and she's primarily helping Cream and Bug find their friends and their only lead was Sonic who Amy hasn't seen in a long time and misses. The entire dynamic between Sonic and Amy is built around the fact that Sonic IS NOT interested in romance at all precisely because he values his freedom above all else and views romance as tying him down. The only reason he even has friends is because Tails started following him and proved he can keep up and help. Amy is meant to challenge Sonic's disinterest or avoidance of romance, and her chasing after him is built around his nomadic freedom. Amy and Tails chase Sonic who is always moving, cause this is exactly what Sonic's "best friends" need to do in order to be part of his life at all. Otherwise they would never see him again.
Thank you. I really dislike seeing how grossly misinterpreted Amy in the early days is. I don't fully blame anyone either since the English localization makes her seem like a maniac in Heroes whereas Sonic x and Battle straight up flanderize her. I've no idea why people brush over the fact that Tails if anything is the one that the obsessive follower thing more accurately describes even if it's also incorrect because unlike Amy and Sonic he doesn't have the love for adventure that the 2 hedgehogs do. I believe that's a good reason why "long time no see" is a good addition to their dialogue in the games because it helps to show that in-between adventures, sonic runs off to do his own thing without any of them, it's how he lives. SA1 & Unleashed show this perfectly.
Yeah I don't get how people think the new amy is any better. She is just another boring character now with no flaws or quirks to her. People always misrepresent how she was in the older games.
You know, when you say it all like that it makes song sound like an awful person. I mean it doesn’t sound like he’s given much back in terms of friendship by this description.
It's honestly so tiring seeing critics and fans place context into situations that aren't there based on observation. People so blatantly misconstrue the Rose vs Sonic scene as abuse, when IT'S NOT ABUSE! People always say it's "abuse" when it's not, the game just translates it poorly. it literally was already established that Rose wanted to find Sonic because he was shown to have had their friends when they read the newspaper in the opening scene and needed answers, in the boss fight itself Rose literally questions Sonic on the whereabouts of Froggy and Chocola, and if Amy is left standing, she's angry about it and outright tells the points to give answers. Sonic just sees it as her idea to annoy him and uses that situation as an excuse to escape. This is also important to note because Team Sonic canonically win that fight, meaning it's not abuse if Sonic was in control of the situation and used it to escape. It was Amy's idea for her team to find froggy and chocola in the first place and throughout he story AMY is the one who has to keep motivating them to push on to find their friends, considering its Cream and Big's friends to begin with, given his favorite Sonic game is Heroes, I'm surprised why he doesn't understand the context. Not to mention the Japanese dialogue literally translates Amy's line different. It's basically Amy wanting to win Sonic's heart by proving how strong she is, she even mentions during the Egg Albatross in the English translation how she wants to "defeat it" so it could impress him. It follows up how Amy wanted Sonic to respect her in Adventure 1, only now she channels that infatuation into confidence. she even shifts from focusing on Sonic to Eggman, the moment she sees the fake Eggman after said fight. People misconstrue the fight as 'abuse" when Amy isn't abusing Sonic, it's just poor translations, so people throw context than isn't actually provided and often use it to say Amy's bad, when really I think it showcases Amy the best aside from SA1. Amy's love for Sonic was as much of a strength as it is a weakness. Amy's reason for doing things for Sonic had context behind it, in Adventure era she wanted to show Sonic she could be strong and part of the team. Even in Sonic Shuffle her main wish was to become a Hero like Sonic. Amy in general is/was overcritized, and hottake, I hate how she's been written in the 2010s, including Frontiers. (The one exception being IDW) because it's very odd how people think having no character is better than one. If detractors want to argue about Amy being annoying or obsessed with Sonic, they are at least providing descriptors of her character, I can get an idea of who she is. When it comes to Modern Amy? What exactly is her personality or defining characteristic beyond the fact she is female? And no, "not being annoying" is not a character, nobody ever says why she has a character or why she's good beyond she isn't who she use to be, meaning she has NO character if you can't even describe her. That's not saying she's a good character, it's saying who she use to be, which doesn't say anything about Amy now, based on Lost World or Forces, who is she? This whole perspective when it comes to Amy is just regressive because people are saying a female character losing their character and being presented as more subdued and passive is 'productive" It's only IDW that really made Amy's development shine, and that's because unlike the games, the comics transition Amy organically, as in it feels like she got there on her terms. in the games it very much feels like Sega's "play it safe" approach has worked its way on her because it feels like she's written to be subdued because Sega's response to detractor backlash, as if you provide any transition Amy has shown feelings for Sonic since Generations, the shift is sudden and abrupt, and as far as wanting to Forge her own path, this is a GREAT arc, but Amy herself has no character to capitalize with this. So, when I always hear "she's no longer fangirl so she's better" I never see anyone state what her character or personality is. Yeah, her caring nature is shown, but that was always an aspect of her! What is her defining characteristic other than the fact she's female? they can show she's caring without taking away the rest of her. I also don't like fans using Boom to bash Amy and Knuckles because it was a different universe canon of them, and how the crush is done there is a generic sitcom like crush, which worked for that show. Frontiers makes no shame showcasing Tails and Knuckles flaws and establish who they are, but Amy? You wouldn't even know who she is and feels as if they are afraid to show she likes Sonic, instead of balancing her characteristics while shifting her priorities, she's just disguised as "mature" by looking calm and passive, which isn't what mature is. Outside of that one scene where she gets made, she barely expresses emotions other than passive gestures. It also feels like they are trying to write her as a watered-down version of her Boom persona, as the actress gives off the same performance, which doesn't work given they were two differently established versions of her. the actress also feels very miscast as Amy. You don't improve a character by stripping them away. That's like if Nintendo said "Princess Peach isn't a damsel anymore" by just suddenly NEVER making her kidnapped and is an action girl like Samus Aran. They just created the same problem with Amy just in reverse now. You don't remove to improve, not how that works. In IDW Amy is still showed to like Sonic, she just translates it differently, much more grounded. But her other traits are also emphasized and doesn't sacrifice an element of herself to do so. The few times I legit think Amy was poorly written were Battle, half of Rush (And I say only half of it) and Free Riders, which is by far Amy at her worst and feels like an amalgamation of everything people hate about her, almost as if a detractor wrote her themselves. And its weird how people find Heroes Amy the worst, but not that when it's just Heroes Amy done worse in every way.
For my take, I think having Sonic desire romance but be terrible at committing has been a consistent and reasonable facet of his character. He can have as many romances as the plot, or even a one-off joke, requires, but there should be an understanding between all of them that he can't manage anything more intimate than close friendship, or the brotherly love he shares with Tails. I'm open to different takes on the character, however.
I'm moreso mixed with the idea of Sonic having a partner. On one hand, it would be interesting to see more character dynamics between Sonic and the gang grow and become more realized and being expanded upon. On the other hand, unless there's someone who would respect with his "being free with the wind" motives, keep up with his adventurous ideals or whatever, I don't think Sonic's the type of guy to be fully committed of being in a full-on romantic relationship... ...plus, the shipping wars would probably be tremendously apocalyptic of all hell, as if there wasn't bad enough with the civil war between Sonamy and Sonally lol
Us gay Sonic fans are absolutely living it up with Sonadow in our pockets lol. And man, I'm fairly certain I'm in a good part of the internet 'cause shipping wars aren't really a *major* thing nowadays - at least, not at a grander scale with far-reaching consequences. Even if one were to start up, simply don't bite and no one'll bark back!
I think the reason Sonic feels that way now is because Sega doesn’t want another Archie or Ken Penders situation again. A big reason a lot of Sonic has been “sanitized” in a way is to make sure there’s someone in charge and there’s consistency… and less lawsuits.
@@JakeThehedgehog-m1x Yeah, I don’t have a problem with that, either. The IDW comics and recent games have been good, so I’m fine with it. Archie Sonic was memorable for a lot of risks it took, but it also had A LOT of unnecessary garbage that, imo, over complicated Sonic as a brand.
I don’t think there’s any issue with it. It all comes down to the writing. But for some reason as of now Sega actively prevents writers who genuinely want to flesh out Sonic & friends in a meaningful way from doing so. The writers have made it clear for whatever reason Sega hates character development and hates changing the status quo at all.
I believe it goes back to what happened with 06 backlash and Penders. Those two incidents really recoiled most of Sonic’s essence into nothing more than shell of what spirit he used to have. The thing about it is, SegaSammy sees it really isn’t an issue as long as they make money from it. Their target audience is kids and so has to fit that mold compared to Mario; who has been recently doing the opposite. Then again, Mario really has been satisfying all crowds since his conception.
@@demetriusnp49 It bothers me more what they’ve done to Shadow than to Sonic. The mandates on Shadow basically say to take all of his character development, toss it in the trash, never reference it again and make him act like an asshole.
@@demetriusnp49 Isn't Mario usually considered an extremely boring character? Unless it's in the RPGs. Edit: Also, how has Mario been doing the opposite?
@@demetriusnp49 I'm tired of companies using that same talking point, "they want to target kids" Mario can please both longtime fans and kids why can't Sonic? They need to stop the whole mandate crap and let characters grow with better writing
Stories that are anchored with a static protagonist, can still explore romantic ideas like Tails and Cosmo. And they COULD explore the feminine side of it, but not if the audience is only concened with some kind fo self-insert fantasy, that the protag has to be coolest guy ever and Amy has to be his coolest ever girl equivalent, like this story is a replacement of ahving your OWN friends. That's why people get so offended when they don't LIKE the personality, of a CHARACTER, like they're entitled to ONLY see characters they like. Like the uncool kids can't sit at their table with the story protagnist. And that reverses into making any kind of excuse possible so the protagonist is always justified, like a child making excuses for himself, and it's always somebody else being wrong if the outcome has any challenge or drama in it. Like a child being stressed out by an adult argument, and jsut starts pointing fingers who started it, and why cant everybody just play nice? This is meaningful because THAT EXACT THING is what Sonic stands against, and it's a rare and unique point to sonic specifically. NOTHING he does is because of BEING justified, it's chaotic wind, that finds itself ENDING UP where the justice is. Instead, all these people think it's a hindrance and impossible to flesh out, because they want ALL franchises to conform to their cookie-cutter self-isnert fan fiction model, trained into them by conventional Hollywood pandering. It's like it got them when they're young, and now they can't stomach anything without sufficient amount of nicotine. Mario doesn't ahve this problem, because Mario is ACCEPTED as a static protagonist. Needy fans don't crop up SAYING he is ruined, not by any seriousness anyway, maybe as a snark on being that much "worse" than Sonic. Paper MArio on the other hand is not so lucky.
Although I personally enjoy shipping and wouldn’t be against seeing sonic in a romantic relationship, I feel like it’s probably in Sega‘s best interest to try and stay neutral on that topic. Let’s say sonic, in the main game continuity, ended up in a canon relationship. Sure that would appease anyone who ships that specific pairing, but it could potentially alienate anyone who either preferred another pairing or feel sonic shouldn’t be in a relationship at all. I think the best we can expect is hints at attraction and nothing more. Besides, that just means the fans can imagine how those potential relationships could play out. I mean that’s why fanfiction exist, right?
Just let hedgehog have a girl goddam!… What’s wrong with that? You want him to be alone virgin? With no friends? Sonic is THEIR friend, but Sonic runs so fast he has no time for them. He’s a loser
Do you guys remember that when Vandalize came out, people were theorizing that Sonic got into a "romantic fight" with someone? Glad that never happened
List of times Sonic ACTUALLY got into a romantic fight. Not because he’s a bad boyfriend, but because his girlfriends were hating on him for stupid reasons. • Issue 134 of Archie where Sally would break up with Sonic just because he wanted to save many innocent lives from Eggman instead of become her king. • Issue 172 when Fiona decided to kick Sonic’s ass for cheating on him in issue 156 with Sally (which at that time was uncalled for not because Fiona was ever an innocent victim, but because Sonic could do better than to make Sally fall in love with him again when they’ve proven themselves to be not right for each other) and cheat on him with his evil counterpart Scourge after leaving her to rot in jail and forget about it in favour of himself. • Sonic Free Riders where Amy would bully everyone, especially Sonic because of all the times he didn’t give her consent to be his girlfriend thus being Tails’ evil excuse to fight him in issues 155-179. • Sonic ‘06 where Elise would also make Sonic look like a lame boyfriend for wanting to break up with her (possibly) and act like she’s fine without a man (I’m on his side and so are most others). • When Sonic turned down Zeena for having a creepy crush on him in Sonic Lost World by giving her a fake apology for “ruining her appearance” (she deserves it, there are much worse things to worry about) which partially made the game all the worse alongside everyone else’s flanderization.
@@OneAndOnlyDanky its so funny to me how they made the song and then had to go back and censor it its just it doesn't really seem to fit w sonic or his character, if anything its a bit more of a shadow song (even THEN it doesn't really work) . still love the song though
With those types of lyrics, I honestly question why Sega felt this was ok to put in a kids game. Like the fact they even had to censor, "fuck the pain away," should've given them the hint that it wasn't an appropriate song.
ngl I kinda prefer it if they don't obsess too much with romance. It breaks with expectations that "the hero always gets the girl" which makes the entire thing feel a bit more rebellious,
Ah I see. So you want to be more original than others huh? I see. I am alot alike Sonic and I can confirm that a big reason as to why we are single is because we dont want to be 'like other guys' who follow traditions; *we go our OWN way!* 💙😁✌
Honestly this is a massive grey area. Sonic has had many inconsistencies and interpretations, hard to be considered what best suits his characterization. I do sorta miss where he was just there doing his thing, and then became part of the major arc. But this is a new generation, and the Sonic we have now while not the greatest and sometimes bad…is their new favorite. So hopefully they enjoy him.
You make a sound argument. In fact, its not even an argument at all; I consider it fact. Its true that Sonic has been interpreted (or some may even say, *misinterpreted* ) in many ways - I think thats the beauty of a franchise like this; theres just SO much variety and evolution in the types of stories and portrayal of characters! That being said, the fact that its all up to interpretation gives alot of creative freedom, and I can only hope that alot of good will come from that freedom - Heres to the future, when hopefully someday, there will be a CREATOR who takes everything they love about Sonic (and other things too) and does it EVEN *BETTER* !
funny how things change with time, I used to be very opposed to Sonic having any romantic relationships. sure, Amy was nice to have around because I found the "too cool for romance" thing a part of Sonic's personality. but then, as time went on I began do warm up to the idea, probably an effect of growing up, you start to think more seriously about it. and now I'm glad we see some bits of relationship here and there between Sonic and Amy. the whole crazy fangirl schtick is mostly gone and Amy has grown as a character, which allows for a more complex approach on this. for example, why was Sonic always so reluctant? what brought him to have a slight change of heart in that? it doesn't have to be centered around it, like a story of him rescuing Amy, even more when you consider she ought to be capable of fending off for herself, but as a subtext thing, it would be pretty cool. for someone who's all about speed, Sonic's romantic life surely is a slowburn
I will say this. The problem with Sonic and Elise's relationship isn't the fact that it's human animal, which has been done plenty of times in the past with western animation, it's the fact that the relationship has no build up and wasn't very developed. I wonder if this has to do with the rushed development of the game as everything in the game suffers from the rushed development including it's story that felt half baked. Although personally I'm more on the side of Sonic just having no relationship at all because there really isn't a point. The games are more about Sonic fighting against Eggman's attempts to either ruin the environment or do whatever
I actually really enjoy Sally and Sonic in a relationship once Ian Flynn took over the pre-reboot timeline. I found their dynamic to be way more charming than it once was in the comics, similar to SATAM. Her sacrifice to be mecha Sally was a great character moment and led to some of the best arcs in the comic. Thankfully the team at Archie Sonic Online has continued that plotline and the rest of the pre-reboot timeline. I highly recommend people check it out!
@@bowserbreaker2515 For real. Pre reboot Flynn was so fantastic. I was so happy when they started the "Sonic Saga Series" graphic novels to get the beginning of Flynn's era in a convenient format, but the series as a whole got cancelled right before the volume came out that concluded Scourge arc. The pre-reboot, reboot , Mega-Drive and even graphic novels of Archie Sonic were all cancelled in the middle of story arcs.
@@drekiskrek5008 I'd didn't read the Mega Drive stuff, and I don't love the reboot (It's still good, but preboot Flynn was peak Sonic. Much better than IDW.
Short Answer: No. Long Answer: Unless he finds someone he has shared interests in that don't majorly clash with his adventurous style, and he has feelings for them and vice versa, then no. Edit: it also could gives both of them character development and growth, if possible. Otherwise, it can just be wholesome vibes.
@Freejay Free technically speaking, they are opposites, yet opposites do attract. That being said, I don't think Blaze would abandon her responsibilities of ruling her kingdom.
The thing I like about Frontiers Sonic is that he clearly was biting off more than he could chew in an effort to save everyone, seeing him slowly getting corrupted but fighting on anyway was a good glimpse of how he CAN'T always be the guardian angel. Problem being the corruption was resolved as soon as it came into play, and I can only chalk that up to Sonic Team's time constraints on the game
I'm honestly not a fan of Sonic having a relationship, I like how Sonic would rather not want to be in one as he sees it would tie down which would conflict with how he likes to live his life free as the wind. I think it's nice having a character like that, you don't really see too many characters like that.
I think a relationship like porco rosso is best for Sonic I understand how you feel, but the relationship between a man who is now living for his freedom and a woman who has been patiently waiting for her freedom Actually, there was something similar to this behind the scenes in Sonic 1.
@@bakedbeans5494 Has Sonic been boring, never at least in the games has he ever expressing in a romantic relationship with anyone, was he boring then, if not then why am I making him boring by asking he to accurate to his character? You don't need a romantic relationship to make an interesting character and I feel Sonic is more interesting without one. Let the hedgehog be free.
@@ドラゴンリュー-f1x I have no idea what porco rosso is. But honestly what happens after that because Sonic as franchise will continue persist as long as it still sells so how do you continue that story, should they then introduce relationship melodrama, or how do you write Sonic having a stable relationship when he's constantly running around the world looking for the chaos emeralds, never staying in one spot for long. They could always tag along but unless they can keep up with Sonic's speed and don't mind the constant travel from place to place and when they do stay in a place longer than 5 seconds it's because a great Eldritch evil was unleashed that threatens to kill everyone and destroy the universe and Sonic has to kick it's ass. How do you write a stable relationship like that, when you're constantly on the move like you're fleeing the country for tax evasion and when take time to stop your life in mortal danger?
Its sad to see how disagreeable most peoples' idea of 'love' is, at least to me. I wonder what makes them always think that love is something that holds you down... with me its quite the opposite you see - Im a free-spirit just like Sonic and I believe that love is something that can make us STRONGER and even *ENHANCE* our freedom, not hinder it. IF your love is true, then you will find that the love will be able to follow with you in the wind aswell 💙 At least, thats what I figure! 😁✌ And the love will be there to help us through the conflict: *"Love can help us share the pain" - Bentley Jones* 🖤 th-cam.com/video/t31yN_qqNBI/w-d-xo.html
Really agreed with your comments at the end, I miss Sonic having real banter with his friends and rolling with it for fun. I hope to see some of this return in this new era of Sonic.
I feel like romance could work with Sonic if it wasn't made out to be this big spectacle that I think a lot of people want it to be. I don't wanna see Sonic making out on screen and making everything awkward, I wanna see Sonic and characters explore the feelings they have that comes with romance. With how Sonic and Amy's relationship has been handled recently in the game, show, and comic, and the possibly unused dialogue in Sonic Frontiers hinting towards romantic feelings for Amy ("Amy, I should have made up my mind sooner." and "Wish we were sharing an umbrella, Amy."), maybe we might see some of those mandates loosen up eventually.
@@roseliand936 That’s exactly it! Sonic isn’t the type of character to be doing that kind of thing, so it’d be super weird and awkward if he did. If anything romantic were to ever happen between Sonic and Amy, I think subtlety and simplicity would be the way to go.
@@s-lye Yep! It's basically like carving your initials in a heart on a tree that's seen a lot in Western media. The fact that Sega had to approve for those lines to be in game, even if they were potentially cut later, shows they're aware of shipping stuff. The mess with ships is also why I think subtly would go a long way in terms of romance in Sonic. Don't make being all lovey or kissy the focal point, but rather, on character interactions and development through romance. But that's just me, personally haha.
I actually really like Elise being more reinterpreted as someone who sees Sonic as a father/idol figure and despite being a princess with material possessions and royalty, she has everything yet nothing with the loss of her parents so Sonic fills in that gap and breaks out her emotions that we’re concealed physically and metaphorically
I see what ur saying but anytime Elise is brought up I cringe with disgust and fear because the kissing scene still till this day makes me want to light sonic 06 on fire again.
@@vinnylynch54 how about you get over a video game cutscene from almost 2 decades ago and think about actually serious problems like genocide going on rn that shoi be disgusting you like beheaded babies
It's ironic how the mandates turned Sonic into a literal machine. He has little to no emotion outside of happiness and optimism, maybe sprinkling in a "sad moment" here and there but the guy is borderline psychotically happy.
I originally thought that one part of "The Slap" was due to something that happened prior. Sonic saved Mobius by stopping a doomsday device that would have created a Black Hole but believed to be at the cost of his life. He reemerged a year later not realizing he was blasted forward in time so I believed that Sally's fear of losing Sonic a second time was the cause of it. Didn't know about the drama going on in the office.
I have the same problems with Sonic having a girlfriend that I do with him having parents. EDIT: What I mean by this is while I do acknowledge Sonic has parents that existed at some point, they should never actually be a presence in the games because that detracts from Sonic's nature as a free-spirited adventurer and gives him a more strongly defined origin. I like the lore from the classic games that Sonic was born on Christmas Island but left in his Dad's plane to see the world and that's how he came across Eggman.
To me, Sonic not having parents opens up so many possibilities for his origins. One of my favorite dumb ideas is that he manifested one day due to an overabundance of Chaos Energy collecting in a single area. Just *poof* Sonic came into existence, and his first experience was witnessing Eggman trapping innocent creatures for selfish reasons, leading to Sonic's strong sense of justice and freedom. That's also how I justify that Sonic is one of the only people able to naturally utilize the Chaos Emerals. He's essentially a _living_ Chaos Emerald. Just about every other character that uses them are either inorganic, god-like beings, or because Sonic was around when they were using them too (the first time Shadow went Super, Sonic was there. The first time Silver transformed, Sonic was there. Knuckles can only transform because of his connection to the Master Emerald.) Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
For Mario, it's obvious(or the media pushes it so much), that his girlfriend/wife is Princess Peach. Even if he's saving someone else(Like Pauline from the first "Donkey Kong", or Princess Daisy from Super Mario Land), he's always led back to Peach. Sonic, on the other hand, has had many girlfriends... Amy Rose, Sally Acorn, Fiona Fox, Elise from Sonic '06(even though they just slightly alluded to it), Mina The Mongoose, Blaze the Cat... Sonic doesn't just run fast....he gets around too. He's a player XD
I was thinking about this question and thought: "He'd probably do best with a partner who he doesn't have to settle down for. Someone who can keep his pace and share his interests and take part in his heroic world saving lifestyle, maybe even someone who can rival him in these aspects and push him to work harder" ...then I realized this just describes shadow
If they ever do a canon Sonic relationship for the games it should be that his love interest is an actual partner/fighter and not a side character who just goes “I love you sonic good luck stopping eggman!”
the tail end of sonic and sallyʻs relationship pre genesis wave was actually some of my favorite sonic media of all time. the two just kind of balanced each other out if that makes sense
As long as it's Sonic's personal choice to not have a girlfriend, we should respect it, but if he's gonna live his life the way he does, we have to see him personally struggle from time to time. This is why I say he should at least have an occasional love interest who he has to reluctantly reject in name of being true to his own resolution or because he sees there's no genuine compatibility.
It'd be nice to see a video covering all the Sega Mandates and his thoughts onto them. I'm also glad to see how Sonic Prime handled the hedgehog from what I've seen so far.
You pretty much hit the nail on the head on how I feel about Sonic and Sally. They had this history and chemistry that just makes them enjoyable too watch. Not controlling each other but balancing each other out. Even int eh Archie comics when they're written properly you can see that they love each other but also don't want to steo on each other's toes. When they did get back together Sally even apologies for slapping him and they joke about it. If Archie didn't just let Ken Penders kill the orginal canon we'd probably still be getting their comics and the Mecha Sally Arc would be concluded by now.
I mean… It would be character development at least, and it would show a side of Sonic that doesn’t really get explored all much. Yeah, he loves his friends. But still. Between Sonic Frontiers and Sonic Prime, I’m noticing Sonic has become a lot more caring and compassionate towards Amy recently. Because usually the whole bit with them is Amy has a crush on him, Sonic brushes her off but still cares for her as a friend. But those two instances were different. I mean… It would be character development at least, and it would show a side of Sonic that doesn’t really get explored all much. Yeah, he loves his friends, in the way he loves them like they’re his family. But still. Between Sonic Frontiers and Sonic Prime, I’m noticing Sonic has become a lot more caring and compassionate towards Amy recently. Because usually the whole bit with them is Amy has a crush on him, Sonic brushes her off but still cares for her as a friend. But those two instances were different.
After hearing that she does tarot, I always thought it'd be funny if they portrayed Amy as this creepy mystic chick who can get a little too affectionate because she doesn't have any friends.
Sonic being Aromantic can make a lot of sense, as many Aro people can and do still "play in that space" or are Grey. It doesn't mean relationships between others can't happen, and others may try to spark up something with Sonic if they're unaware of that Aro status (or presume they're "the one"). Sonic may still view them with fondness and care, but just not be wired for interest in a romantic partner. Plus that leaves more time in the comics for Tangle and Whisper to finally start dating _Bay-beeeee_
I don't think that Sonic isn't specifically interested in relationships, but he wasn't interested in Amy specifically. In her very first appearance she violated his personal space by hugging him against his consent, in Heroes she wanted to use violence to force him into marriage. If her behavior was taken seriously, she would be jailed for sexual assault. Why would Sonic want to be with a violent stalker? Poor Sonic was so traumatized that his first emotion after seeing Amy was genuine FEAR. Compare that with Elise, who was great for Sonic to spend downtime with. That's why they clicked together. Consent is cool, kids. Either way, I think Sonic should be able to get into relationship now. 90s are over, 00s are over, this days love is cooler no matter what form it takes. I think we might enter the era when wholesome is the new cool. Just treat Sonic with respect. If Amy treats him with respect now, if they can support each other instead of being dead weight, I am fine with them being together. In Unleashed Amy proven that she can behave civilized, in Black Knight they dated (Sonic got suddenly isekai'd but the intent was there), in Generations she was on his birthday and in Frontiers she is a part of his adventuring team and Sonic does girlfriend back grab. Sonamy is canon now, Sonic seems okay with this and so am I.
sonic i'm fine with having romance as the problem's more amy not getting to show her strength to sonic in the adventure games(sa2 being the worst as she does nothing but complain,mistake sonic for shadow in daylight,doesn't use her hammer to wallop eggman when threatened instead of weakly redoing tail's arc and a hokey speech to shadow that makes more sense coming from rouge/actually defend chris taking that moment as he had more interaction being shadow meeting a human after they killed maria.). when tails got to tell sonic of his feats as both wanted to not be a burden to sonic(when the last time she canonically showed up she got kidnapped/in mania missed out on the adventure even with her focus in origins.) and show he can always depend on them which is what the friends are meant to show being part of freedom that the blue blur cherishes and being in love could potentially tie down(in heroes she was fine as she was helping big & cream search for their friends with how metal sonic took them just using sonic as a bonus of showing her growth way better and to be fair sonic & tails/rogue and especially eggman really should've told shadow his past instead of fighting him so we wouldn't have to have suffered his game.) . with the jason griffith era being amy(and the characters in general outside 06 shadow/the chaotix & blaze to an extent with free riders/forces being the closest to that low.) at her worst as while i love lisa ortiz voice for her, in the direction she's just a bratty stalker sonic's justified wanting nothing to do with(sonic x was just her only thinking about sonic/alongside advance 3 threatening sonic with her hammer and battle had her try to make sonic gemerl's parent/outright hallucinating sonic.). sally making the comics go into bad soap opera fanfiction(when those comics were already until worlds collide/the genesis wave outside a few areas a cluttered convoluted mess with trying to fit the games in.) with the unnecessary love triangle compared to satam even if i don't care for sonic's personality in it/that cartoon not feeling much like sonic and elise outside the disgustingly uncomfortable moment being a extremely useless damsel that got kidnapped 5 times,nearly let space stay broken to keep her memory of sonic instead of just letting her interactions impact her(with amy having a similar moment showing she became a pathetic stalker that would stay with sonic even if he became evil.) and amy not reacting to it. the series has done romantic implications well as i loved sonic's emotional moments in the games like the storybook games,unleashed especially(that showed sonic does care for her when she doesn't recognize him with black knight implied to be him accepting her date at the end.),lost world(while knuckles did nothing/should've been on the lost hex literally knocking sense into tails with how much of a brat he was being amy was handled okay showing care for the animals safety and never mentioning her love of sonic even once.) and frontiers(sonic was good in that game as lost world-forces was sonic at his most stale being treated as the only competent hero when everyone has better abilities than him and love his more mature outlook.). would love to see madonna(the scrapped love interest to sonic that appeared in the comics.) in the games just drop the lover angle to a affectionate fan turned friend to sonic.
I agree with you splash about the characters just being friendly now I do miss when they had their traits from older games hell on Twitter there’s a discussion about should Amy be like sally or boom Amy or her old self where she’s bubbly light heart girl that loves sonic but still get the job done but I do feel like tails and knuckles are still good I just need all characters that we haven’t seen interact to actually interact instead of just talking to sonic about the next big problem.
Sonic and Knuckles were seriously sassing each other in Frontiers, I haven't gotten to Eggman, but his Messages alone show a lot of sass towards Sonic. So I don't see why you think that all their interactions are the same, or that they all have the same traits. Edit: Left a word out.
Sonic is like Peter Pan, an escapism entity that isn't involved with long life compromise, because if it happens, it can means that his status as a freedom husband will have to be interrupted, Amy, Sally or any other love interest is like Wendy, a girl that meets him, someone who could be like him but because they are almost in the same position the girl tries to join him on a committed basis, the girl defies his ideas, the romantic settlement is an intruder, the Peter Pan(Sonic) denies this possibility because it would the end of his uncompromised entity status
I think I heard that the creator intentionally made Sonic like Peter Pan. Also if Amy was still how she was around Heroes, she so be Tinkerbell in how jealous she was at Wendy.
Given how hard the Sonic franchise had been hit with rule 34 and shipping wars hes better off without a romance to say nothing of Sega’s mandates which pretty much makes it impossible for him to have one
I would honestly love to see Sonic have a girlfriend again, and I am not just saying that because I ship him and Blaze; I think it would show a more honest and vulnerable side to the character, which would give him a lot more depth.
@Mitistouchyamama I imagine Sonic would be a bit more laid back about it, which would mean his girlfriend would probably understand that; which in turn allows us to logically look at his options if they ever went that route. Amy would be out because, well you know... Cream is out because she is WAAAY too young Rouge (oddly enough) could work, but then she's kind of in something with either Knuckles or Shadow Blaze (this is SLIGHTLY biased) would be totally understanding of Sonic's adventurous nature and obligations (given her own): granted, they would take long distance to the extreme with the dimension hopping. And now that the comics are (kinda) canon... Surge: No. I'm sorry but no. I love Surge, but girl got legitimate psychological and emotional issues (courtesy of being kidnapped and gaslit by Starline). If anything, Sonic would be more interested helping Surge than dating her Whisper: this could work (maybe), but given Whisper's past and just now coming to terms with having friends again... Let's not rush anything Tangle: if you thought I was biased with Blaze, I am doubling down on Tangle: she is practically a female Sonic already (minus the speed and she is somewhat more expressive). I could TOTALLY see them traveling together, Fighting Eggman, and helping people from time to time, calling their adventures "dates" Belle: imma be real with you G: I forgot about this character until I reach the end of making this post. I'll just say I don't think it would work
My favorite iteration of Amy is from Sonic Prime. In that show, she’s a strong, independent woman, almost barely ever saying Sonic’s name. This also goes for Amy from Sonic Boom. But the difference is that in Sonic Boom, there are slight moments where you can see that Amy and Sonic have a relationship in a “will they won’t they” situation. But yeah Sonic Prime Amy is my favorite version of her.
What do you mean that he has an ego. Sonic does not act like this in the games. He does not Think himself as better or worse than others (That’s why he dislikes being called “Master” in Sonic & the secret rings)
While I don't hate the idea of Sonic being in a relationship, I don't care for it that much either since it wouldn't add anything of value to the games. I also think it goes against Sonic being a free-spirited individual who goes by his own rules.
Yeah, Giving him a girlfriend Will betray the fact that he does Whatever he wants, Like when you have a girlfriend, Your being forced to do things with your partner (That the reason why Sonic does not want to marry Amy)
Yeah, I feel like a lot of the Sonic fandom is obsessed with these things that ultimately do not matter at all. If Sonic had a fun game in the first place then nobody would be talking about this.
Every time I see this topic, I'm saddened by the loss of Madonna, and Sally and amy are both great heroines, but saddened by what toxic fans and officials did to them.Even though elise was great.. .
Honestly I really like Amy in sonic boom she was really her own character yet still was interested in sonic and they would have dates and stuff that they would reference and even show sometimes in a few episodes
Not a bad video. I think the idea could work depending on how you approach it. For me, I often preferred Sally as a love-interest for Sonic since I feel like she acted as a good balance to Sonic's ego without feeling like Sonic would have to give up who he was (at least for SATAM). Not to mention I feel like Sonic as a character enjoys a good challenge; and that could carry over into his relationships. Amy I like as a character, but neutral on as a love interest as I felt like 2000s Amy would maybe be too forgiving of his shortcomings or that Sonic would not likely stay interested; though it seems like since Boom, they've been their dynamic to be something more compatible (i.e., having Amy act as a moral compass for Sonic). Elise, outside of the whole human thing, could work conceptually as a sheltered princess experiencing a thrill of adventure with Sonic; but even then, 06 doesn't really give her that much personality outside of her backstory. Overall, as with anything in the franchise, it depends on the execution. I'm pretty neutral on Sonic's romantic pursuits overall, but part of me would be interested to see if and how the movies would approach the subject.
Personally, I don't think Sonic's the relationship type, but he also isn't devoid of having romantic feelings for someone. He can like someone, but he'd rather keep that to himself. Sonic seems self-aware enough to know that a relationship wouldn't really work out for him, not just in terms of personality, but also the dangers that could come with it, like Eggman targeting Sonic's partner. I feel like Sonic wouldn't dare to take that risk, so, as heart-wrenching as it may be for him, he'd rather keep any feelings he has for someone bottled up inside. That isn't to say that these emotions wouldn't manifest themselves in little ways, like a sweet but small gesture that hints at his feelings.
Now you bring this topic up, I can't actually tell what the general consensus is on Frontiers' take on Amy. I feel like the majority are fine and maybe prefer this Amy, while some, like me, aren't as big on it as it seems to mostly remove one of her main traits of the character.
No. Sonic is a free spirit that doesn't like being tied down, not to mention he was conceived as the "Anti-Mario", aka too cool for "lame" stuff like saving princesses for kisses and cake. A serious relationship would only bog down who he is. Maybe this would be fine for Knuckles or Rouge or someone else, but not Sonic.
And because of your minds that you're making the character into a bland and forgettable video game character cuz he doesn't really have any emotions then a free spirit. Even more you has more character than him nowadays
@@sondradaviss2667 Being free-spirited doesn't stop him from being a good character. Just look at the Adventure games or Unleashed. He can be free-spirited and still have more depthful stories told about him and his world. What he doesn't need is dating drama tying him down.
I think Sonic should be allowed to feel affection, attraction and love in some form towards Amy or other love interest but maintain the fact that he ultimately will never commit. That's a compelling and bittersweet lesson for Amy and the audience to have. Having reciprocal feelings doesn't always mean you'll end up together, and i think Sonic loves what he does much more. Amy's life goals will never be compatible with Sonic's unless one of the two became someone they're not. They're too different. Amy yearns stability, making a family etc and Sonic is a nomad who loves adventure. I think in some ways Sonic X explores these dichotomies pretty well (i watched the japanese dub)
@calebvela9252 yeah but i think they skipped all the development and storytelling on how Amy went to stalker to that conclusion. There was so much potential for cool stories and arcs there
You make great points about how the mandates restrict the characters and I agree to an extent but I think Sonic is being handled well due to Frontiers and the Idw comics where we see Sonic concerned for his friends, having different actions with each of them such as being eager to save Amy and not wanting to get involved with the Koco because of him putting his friends as a top priority, his friendly rivalry with Knuckles is displayed multiple times, and how he acts like a concerned big brother to Tails while also having the aspect of trying to reason with his enemies which is seen with him trying to talk things out with Sage; the Idw comics push this further where Sonic is similar to Frontiers due to the same writer but we see Sonic regretting the decisions he makes which leads to be more urgent when saving his friends while also focusing more on Sonic's ideals that clash with villains. I do agree that the early parts of Archie that Ken Penders wrote focused too much on love drama but when Ian Flynn took over much of that stuff was dialed while focusing on Sally being a leader and a diplomat which was the driving force of multiple arcs and Sonic and Sally's interaction being flirtatious but organic. I can't agree that Amy is boring now because especially in Frontiers we see her as a hopeful character that wants to help people in her own way which leads her to help the Koco and argue with Sage, Amy feels more mature in her attitude while keeping what made her character great in both Sonic Adventure and Adventure 2. I agree that the mandates in Shadow should be removed because it holds character back but I don't think it hurts Sonic much because despite that we see him struggle, fail, and question himself but he still keeps his optimism intact.
@@bakedbeans5494 I can't agree because we see her best traits at the for front such as her compassion, empathy, and her willingness to stand up to anyone like her standing up against Sage. Her more subdued attitude is attributed to the serious situations such as the feeling of cyberspace, the Koco dying from her point of view, and the mystery of Kronos Island which falls in line with the narrative but she also has some fun interactions with Sonic while also having serious conversations with him.
@@kage1573 Compassion, empathy and willingness to stand up for Sonic? How many times have we seen that before? That's exactly what flanderisation is. All of Amy's over traits were removed just so her compassion could dominate. Not a single romantic remark was made by Amy unlike in games with better stories. Even during Sonic Unleashed, Amy was way happier and that was an end of the world event. You brought up the Kocos which is so superficial. The Japanese script had Amy saying that she wants to be more refined which is better than that "sharing love with the world" crap. Unfortunately, Kishimoto just ripped off Sonic Adventure. Imagine if we had current Amy's personality during big moments like her being imprisoned, Shadow causing the Space Colony ARK to crash on Earth or Dark Gaia plunging the world in eternal darkness? The horror!
Thoughts: What does it matter if we get a solidified interpretation of Sonic or not? I think he should live as just a funny lil' blue guy that any writer could adapt with the themes of freedom Sonic works typically attempt to convey. Like Mark says in the video, mandates just stifle Sonic's ability to grow and be - restricting the freedom to mess around with our quirky quilled guy just goes to strip him of the endless possibilities his existence brings to the table.
I cant begin to explain how much I agree. Thank you for this comment! Lets hope more peeps hear this because its true. Sonic is about *FREEDOM* ; putting mandates and other restrictions on him doesnt do him justice *it just serves as an ANTITHESIS to his character* !
You didn't read these comics. Hat to be that guy but as someone who has read these comics.... 6:25 That was not Antoine, that was Patch disguised as Antione. That wedding was not legit, it was a plan by Patch to gain control of the Knothole Kingdom by Poisoning the King And Guilt tripping Sally into Wed lock. And The Geofrey St. John love triangle was not a soap opera, He shows up for a mini series and two action issues and then disappears for several issues until they started building the issue 50. And when he came back the love triangle was more of him and Sonic fist fighting a lot rather then actual love drama. Now the Mina and Monke Kahn love triangles where annoying, but those where years apart (and the latter was written by Flynn not Ken) And the issue 134 break up was bad, but you do need to take into account that in the previous issue Sonic was almost killed by one of Eggman's robots, so the reason Sally gave him an ultimatum was at least understandable. (it's bad for other reasons)
And it’s for the best because Penders went to war with Archie when they told him that the 25 years later plot was non canon. Even if Flynn made it slightly better (but that’s not saying much) it’s for the best
I think Sonic having a relationship isnt a bad idea. The said partner just needs to be as adventurous as he is. I think Amy does fit that well especially when u look at how shes depicted in SA1 and 2 and IDW.
I absolutely positively think Sonic should be able to have close bonds with other characters. But making him settle down in a romantic relationship like in Archie is, at least to me, completely against his lifestyle.
My theory is that the emerald Elise has is one the few different emeralds outside of the main 7, because there could be even more Chaos Emeralds out there in the Sonic universe aside from the 7 we already know. In Sonic 1, we only collect 6 emeralds, until in Sonic 2 where a 7th was discovered, and in Sonic the Fighters (even though it might not be canon) an 8th emerald is discovered. So that's pretty much my take on it.
As Sonic is mainly marketed towards kids, it's totally okay to never include any actual relationships. They have gone way too far though. There is a single mother in the games and even in the idw comics kids are never shown with two parents. Honestly, playful banter has never hurt anyone and it probably goes over the head of most kids. Rouge's chemistry with Knuckles is pretty fun, even if they never do absolutely anything, it's still fun seeing them interact in that way
Yeah-but the fanbase is on the older and more mature side. The kid friendly appeal of the series is something Sega is trying to push-but it is always the old guard that keeps the series alive.
I don't know, SplashDash. While I do agree with most of your video, I do like the running joke that was bought up in the Sonic Boom cartoon, where Sonic just doesn't like to wear pants. It feels in character for him, and makes him feel like more of a free spirit. It's also just really funny. XD
I think if they leaned more into sonic liking amy back but being shy about it and not wanting to be tied down for now (which is canon) would make sonic a much more interesting character
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Sonic should be ace.
Only if he's powerbottoming Tails
No
I mean… It would be character development at least, and it would show a side of Sonic that doesn’t really get explored all much. Yeah, he loves his friends, in the way he loves them like they’re his family. But still. Between Sonic Frontiers and Sonic Prime, I’m noticing Sonic has become a lot more caring and compassionate towards Amy recently. Because usually the whole bit with them is Amy has a crush on him, Sonic brushes her off but still cares for her as a friend. But those two instances were different.
Aro Ace for me please.
Ah yes, A whole video dedicated to a fictional anthropomorphic hedgehogs love life.
The Sonic fandom certainly has a lot of interesting things to talk about
@@michaelg4981What do you mean? This is peak Sonic fandom
@@zigzagintrusion yes
@@Mr.Needle-Hamster Would you rather us talk about the evolution of fishing mechanics in Sonic games?
@@NinjaPickle Ah yes, I'd be delighted ☕
I don't want Sonic characters in relationships cos I want to live in the delusion Rouge would pick me
What was he cooking
@@reddead__ WHO LET HIM COOK
Ok now you realy deserve that name
Based AF
I’m sorry to break it to you but she’s married to the master emerald
I've never really been interested in Sonic having a girlfriend (mostly cause the writing is never really there for good romantic relationships) but I think you've done a good job at showing me why that's not inherently a bad thing and why Sonic's free spirit while being a good definition of his character, can be used wrongfully as a limiter to emotions. As time went on, these mandates just make the world blander. Sonic can't have massive flaws and if he's out of comission, all of his genius powerhouse, never, not too far off in power from him friends are powerless. That's just not as interesting as it was before and I think it really limits what you can do. I'm not asking for Sonic to constantly hinder his team or cry all the time or for someone like Shadow to be a sensitive boy who recycles. I just want characters to get some of their layers back.
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Frontiers is already returning a lot of this, so the latter part of your comment seems off.
Even before Frontiers released, they were already easing up or even rolling back on some of the mandates.
@@darkhorse744 Frontiers is definitely a big step in the right direction but outside of IDW (which still suffers from stuff like Shadow's character and Sonic's emotional range still being a bit shotty) I don't really see the previous recent efforts within the series to try and get things back on track.
@@castform7 I see as a start, I remember hearing somewhere that Frontiers was trying to re-establish characters and the world again after all the years of the series basically ignoring it's own lore.
The planet even finally has a name via Tailstube and they've even given a reason at to why the animal people barely show up in some games.
It isn't perfect and it doesn't put the series back to what it was before (which I wouldn't be completely interested in seeing return), but it's a good starting point.
@@darkhorse744 Stop lying to yourself.
I'm pretty sure the only "love interest" Sonic definitely needs.... are chilidogs.
Amy is probably the best choice(or close to it, lol).
He's the most like himself around Amy. Sonic takes Mina the Mongoose for granted, Fiona really doesn't like Sonic, Blaze is just too different from how Sonic is, and Sonic would have to become king in order to marry Sally Acorn.
He wouldn't be able to run around as much! XD
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@@adu1991 I couldn't agree much more
Don’t be stupid. How can someone romantically love chili dogs?…
@@LilXancheX Probably the same way a bear can love a burrito? I don't know.
The way Amy was actually written in the Adventure games, Heroes and 06 are badly misinterpreted here. She's not just obsessed with Sonic mindlessly, and her love for Sonic being the core of her motivation is not a problem. In SA1, she wanted to be more independent because she didn't want to be a burden on Sonic. She wants Sonic's respect, and she wants to join in on Sonic's adventures. SA2 follows up on this, it's the motive behind every action she takes all game. In Heroes, this continues further and she's primarily helping Cream and Bug find their friends and their only lead was Sonic who Amy hasn't seen in a long time and misses.
The entire dynamic between Sonic and Amy is built around the fact that Sonic IS NOT interested in romance at all precisely because he values his freedom above all else and views romance as tying him down. The only reason he even has friends is because Tails started following him and proved he can keep up and help. Amy is meant to challenge Sonic's disinterest or avoidance of romance, and her chasing after him is built around his nomadic freedom. Amy and Tails chase Sonic who is always moving, cause this is exactly what Sonic's "best friends" need to do in order to be part of his life at all. Otherwise they would never see him again.
Thank you. I really dislike seeing how grossly misinterpreted Amy in the early days is. I don't fully blame anyone either since the English localization makes her seem like a maniac in Heroes whereas Sonic x and Battle straight up flanderize her.
I've no idea why people brush over the fact that Tails if anything is the one that the obsessive follower thing more accurately describes even if it's also incorrect because unlike Amy and Sonic he doesn't have the love for adventure that the 2 hedgehogs do. I believe that's a good reason why "long time no see" is a good addition to their dialogue in the games because it helps to show that in-between adventures, sonic runs off to do his own thing without any of them, it's how he lives. SA1 & Unleashed show this perfectly.
That's a good interpretation! You have her character nailed to a T!
Yeah I don't get how people think the new amy is any better. She is just another boring character now with no flaws or quirks to her. People always misrepresent how she was in the older games.
You know, when you say it all like that it makes song sound like an awful person. I mean it doesn’t sound like he’s given much back in terms of friendship by this description.
It's honestly so tiring seeing critics and fans place context into situations that aren't there based on observation. People so blatantly misconstrue the Rose vs Sonic scene as abuse, when IT'S NOT ABUSE! People always say it's "abuse" when it's not, the game just translates it poorly. it literally was already established that Rose wanted to find Sonic because he was shown to have had their friends when they read the newspaper in the opening scene and needed answers, in the boss fight itself Rose literally questions Sonic on the whereabouts of Froggy and Chocola, and if Amy is left standing, she's angry about it and outright tells the points to give answers. Sonic just sees it as her idea to annoy him and uses that situation as an excuse to escape. This is also important to note because Team Sonic canonically win that fight, meaning it's not abuse if Sonic was in control of the situation and used it to escape. It was Amy's idea for her team to find froggy and chocola in the first place and throughout he story AMY is the one who has to keep motivating them to push on to find their friends, considering its Cream and Big's friends to begin with, given his favorite Sonic game is Heroes, I'm surprised why he doesn't understand the context.
Not to mention the Japanese dialogue literally translates Amy's line different. It's basically Amy wanting to win Sonic's heart by proving how strong she is, she even mentions during the Egg Albatross in the English translation how she wants to "defeat it" so it could impress him. It follows up how Amy wanted Sonic to respect her in Adventure 1, only now she channels that infatuation into confidence. she even shifts from focusing on Sonic to Eggman, the moment she sees the fake Eggman after said fight. People misconstrue the fight as 'abuse" when Amy isn't abusing Sonic, it's just poor translations, so people throw context than isn't actually provided and often use it to say Amy's bad, when really I think it showcases Amy the best aside from SA1. Amy's love for Sonic was as much of a strength as it is a weakness. Amy's reason for doing things for Sonic had context behind it, in Adventure era she wanted to show Sonic she could be strong and part of the team. Even in Sonic Shuffle her main wish was to become a Hero like Sonic.
Amy in general is/was overcritized, and hottake, I hate how she's been written in the 2010s, including Frontiers. (The one exception being IDW) because it's very odd how people think having no character is better than one. If detractors want to argue about Amy being annoying or obsessed with Sonic, they are at least providing descriptors of her character, I can get an idea of who she is. When it comes to Modern Amy? What exactly is her personality or defining characteristic beyond the fact she is female? And no, "not being annoying" is not a character, nobody ever says why she has a character or why she's good beyond she isn't who she use to be, meaning she has NO character if you can't even describe her. That's not saying she's a good character, it's saying who she use to be, which doesn't say anything about Amy now, based on Lost World or Forces, who is she? This whole perspective when it comes to Amy is just regressive because people are saying a female character losing their character and being presented as more subdued and passive is 'productive"
It's only IDW that really made Amy's development shine, and that's because unlike the games, the comics transition Amy organically, as in it feels like she got there on her terms. in the games it very much feels like Sega's "play it safe" approach has worked its way on her because it feels like she's written to be subdued because Sega's response to detractor backlash, as if you provide any transition Amy has shown feelings for Sonic since Generations, the shift is sudden and abrupt, and as far as wanting to Forge her own path, this is a GREAT arc, but Amy herself has no character to capitalize with this. So, when I always hear "she's no longer fangirl so she's better" I never see anyone state what her character or personality is. Yeah, her caring nature is shown, but that was always an aspect of her! What is her defining characteristic other than the fact she's female? they can show she's caring without taking away the rest of her. I also don't like fans using Boom to bash Amy and Knuckles because it was a different universe canon of them, and how the crush is done there is a generic sitcom like crush, which worked for that show.
Frontiers makes no shame showcasing Tails and Knuckles flaws and establish who they are, but Amy? You wouldn't even know who she is and feels as if they are afraid to show she likes Sonic, instead of balancing her characteristics while shifting her priorities, she's just disguised as "mature" by looking calm and passive, which isn't what mature is. Outside of that one scene where she gets made, she barely expresses emotions other than passive gestures. It also feels like they are trying to write her as a watered-down version of her Boom persona, as the actress gives off the same performance, which doesn't work given they were two differently established versions of her. the actress also feels very miscast as Amy. You don't improve a character by stripping them away. That's like if Nintendo said "Princess Peach isn't a damsel anymore" by just suddenly NEVER making her kidnapped and is an action girl like Samus Aran.
They just created the same problem with Amy just in reverse now. You don't remove to improve, not how that works.
In IDW Amy is still showed to like Sonic, she just translates it differently, much more grounded. But her other traits are also emphasized and doesn't sacrifice an element of herself to do so. The few times I legit think Amy was poorly written were Battle, half of Rush (And I say only half of it) and Free Riders, which is by far Amy at her worst and feels like an amalgamation of everything people hate about her, almost as if a detractor wrote her themselves. And its weird how people find Heroes Amy the worst, but not that when it's just Heroes Amy done worse in every way.
For my take, I think having Sonic desire romance but be terrible at committing has been a consistent and reasonable facet of his character. He can have as many romances as the plot, or even a one-off joke, requires, but there should be an understanding between all of them that he can't manage anything more intimate than close friendship, or the brotherly love he shares with Tails. I'm open to different takes on the character, however.
He’d literally be Peter Parker then.. 😅
I'm moreso mixed with the idea of Sonic having a partner.
On one hand, it would be interesting to see more character dynamics between Sonic and the gang grow and become more realized and being expanded upon.
On the other hand, unless there's someone who would respect with his "being free with the wind" motives, keep up with his adventurous ideals or whatever, I don't think Sonic's the type of guy to be fully committed of being in a full-on romantic relationship...
...plus, the shipping wars would probably be tremendously apocalyptic of all hell, as if there wasn't bad enough with the civil war between Sonamy and Sonally lol
Us gay Sonic fans are absolutely living it up with Sonadow in our pockets lol. And man, I'm fairly certain I'm in a good part of the internet 'cause shipping wars aren't really a *major* thing nowadays - at least, not at a grander scale with far-reaching consequences. Even if one were to start up, simply don't bite and no one'll bark back!
Even as a hardcore Sonally fan, I feel this mixed feeling.
So in other words, Blaze
Blaze is a princess from another dimension. Her own blown out backstory makes pairing her with sonic a stupid idea
@@NKL3085 the partner doesn't have to be with him 24/7. But there's a mutual respect and natural chemistry between Sonic and her.
So basically, Sonic had gone from "this ain't your dad's old Mario game!" to just being... well, Mario.
You said it well, my friend.
I think the reason Sonic feels that way now is because Sega doesn’t want another Archie or Ken Penders situation again. A big reason a lot of Sonic has been “sanitized” in a way is to make sure there’s someone in charge and there’s consistency… and less lawsuits.
Lawsuits you say? Who caused this?
@@malakaifireninja5065 Kenneth Penders the 2nd. Check his Sonic Fandom page.
I mean sanitizing sonic doesn't seem bad I have no problem with that
@@JakeThehedgehog-m1x Yeah, I don’t have a problem with that, either. The IDW comics and recent games have been good, so I’m fine with it. Archie Sonic was memorable for a lot of risks it took, but it also had A LOT of unnecessary garbage that, imo, over complicated Sonic as a brand.
I don’t think there’s any issue with it. It all comes down to the writing. But for some reason as of now Sega actively prevents writers who genuinely want to flesh out Sonic & friends in a meaningful way from doing so. The writers have made it clear for whatever reason Sega hates character development and hates changing the status quo at all.
I believe it goes back to what happened with 06 backlash and Penders. Those two incidents really recoiled most of Sonic’s essence into nothing more than shell of what spirit he used to have. The thing about it is, SegaSammy sees it really isn’t an issue as long as they make money from it. Their target audience is kids and so has to fit that mold compared to Mario; who has been recently doing the opposite. Then again, Mario really has been satisfying all crowds since his conception.
@@demetriusnp49 It bothers me more what they’ve done to Shadow than to Sonic. The mandates on Shadow basically say to take all of his character development, toss it in the trash, never reference it again and make him act like an asshole.
@@demetriusnp49 Isn't Mario usually considered an extremely boring character?
Unless it's in the RPGs.
Edit: Also, how has Mario been doing the opposite?
@@demetriusnp49 I'm tired of companies using that same talking point, "they want to target kids" Mario can please both longtime fans and kids why can't Sonic? They need to stop the whole mandate crap and let characters grow with better writing
Stories that are anchored with a static protagonist, can still explore romantic ideas like Tails and Cosmo. And they COULD explore the feminine side of it, but not if the audience is only concened with some kind fo self-insert fantasy, that the protag has to be coolest guy ever and Amy has to be his coolest ever girl equivalent, like this story is a replacement of ahving your OWN friends.
That's why people get so offended when they don't LIKE the personality, of a CHARACTER, like they're entitled to ONLY see characters they like. Like the uncool kids can't sit at their table with the story protagnist. And that reverses into making any kind of excuse possible so the protagonist is always justified, like a child making excuses for himself, and it's always somebody else being wrong if the outcome has any challenge or drama in it. Like a child being stressed out by an adult argument, and jsut starts pointing fingers who started it, and why cant everybody just play nice?
This is meaningful because THAT EXACT THING is what Sonic stands against, and it's a rare and unique point to sonic specifically. NOTHING he does is because of BEING justified, it's chaotic wind, that finds itself ENDING UP where the justice is. Instead, all these people think it's a hindrance and impossible to flesh out, because they want ALL franchises to conform to their cookie-cutter self-isnert fan fiction model, trained into them by conventional Hollywood pandering. It's like it got them when they're young, and now they can't stomach anything without sufficient amount of nicotine.
Mario doesn't ahve this problem, because Mario is ACCEPTED as a static protagonist. Needy fans don't crop up SAYING he is ruined, not by any seriousness anyway, maybe as a snark on being that much "worse" than Sonic. Paper MArio on the other hand is not so lucky.
Although I personally enjoy shipping and wouldn’t be against seeing sonic in a romantic relationship, I feel like it’s probably in Sega‘s best interest to try and stay neutral on that topic.
Let’s say sonic, in the main game continuity, ended up in a canon relationship. Sure that would appease anyone who ships that specific pairing, but it could potentially alienate anyone who either preferred another pairing or feel sonic shouldn’t be in a relationship at all.
I think the best we can expect is hints at attraction and nothing more. Besides, that just means the fans can imagine how those potential relationships could play out. I mean that’s why fanfiction exist, right?
Trying to please everybody pleases nobody. Everyone knows that out of all the ships, Sonamy is the most likely to be official.
Nah fuck that
Just let hedgehog have a girl goddam!…
What’s wrong with that? You want him to be alone virgin? With no friends?
Sonic is THEIR friend, but Sonic runs so fast he has no time for them. He’s a loser
The rise of social media being represented as Dark Gaia energy is extremely fitting.
Lmao,we're doomed.
Do you guys remember that when Vandalize came out, people were theorizing that Sonic got into a "romantic fight" with someone?
Glad that never happened
i literally interpreted the line "Hate me, love you, breaking bottles on the pavement" as sonic being an alcoholic (as a JOKE) lmfao
@@Light_Dies_07 I mean that’s what the line seems to have originally meant before they shoved it into a sonic game
List of times Sonic ACTUALLY got into a romantic fight. Not because he’s a bad boyfriend, but because his girlfriends were hating on him for stupid reasons.
• Issue 134 of Archie where Sally would break up with Sonic just because he wanted to save many innocent lives from Eggman instead of become her king.
• Issue 172 when Fiona decided to kick Sonic’s ass for cheating on him in issue 156 with Sally (which at that time was uncalled for not because Fiona was ever an innocent victim, but because Sonic could do better than to make Sally fall in love with him again when they’ve proven themselves to be not right for each other) and cheat on him with his evil counterpart Scourge after leaving her to rot in jail and forget about it in favour of himself.
• Sonic Free Riders where Amy would bully everyone, especially Sonic because of all the times he didn’t give her consent to be his girlfriend thus being Tails’ evil excuse to fight him in issues 155-179.
• Sonic ‘06 where Elise would also make Sonic look like a lame boyfriend for wanting to break up with her (possibly) and act like she’s fine without a man (I’m on his side and so are most others).
• When Sonic turned down Zeena for having a creepy crush on him in Sonic Lost World by giving her a fake apology for “ruining her appearance” (she deserves it, there are much worse things to worry about) which partially made the game all the worse alongside everyone else’s flanderization.
@@OneAndOnlyDanky its so funny to me how they made the song and then had to go back and censor it its just
it doesn't really seem to fit w sonic or his character, if anything its a bit more of a shadow song (even THEN it doesn't really work) . still love the song though
With those types of lyrics, I honestly question why Sega felt this was ok to put in a kids game. Like the fact they even had to censor, "fuck the pain away," should've given them the hint that it wasn't an appropriate song.
ngl I kinda prefer it if they don't obsess too much with romance. It breaks with expectations that "the hero always gets the girl" which makes the entire thing feel a bit more rebellious,
Ah I see. So you want to be more original than others huh? I see. I am alot alike Sonic and I can confirm that a big reason as to why we are single is because we dont want to be 'like other guys' who follow traditions; *we go our OWN way!* 💙😁✌
Honestly this is a massive grey area. Sonic has had many inconsistencies and interpretations, hard to be considered what best suits his characterization. I do sorta miss where he was just there doing his thing, and then became part of the major arc.
But this is a new generation, and the Sonic we have now while not the greatest and sometimes bad…is their new favorite. So hopefully they enjoy him.
You make a sound argument. In fact, its not even an argument at all; I consider it fact. Its true that Sonic has been interpreted (or some may even say, *misinterpreted* ) in many ways - I think thats the beauty of a franchise like this; theres just SO much variety and evolution in the types of stories and portrayal of characters!
That being said, the fact that its all up to interpretation gives alot of creative freedom, and I can only hope that alot of good will come from that freedom - Heres to the future, when hopefully someday, there will be a CREATOR who takes everything they love about Sonic (and other things too) and does it EVEN *BETTER* !
funny how things change with time, I used to be very opposed to Sonic having any romantic relationships. sure, Amy was nice to have around because I found the "too cool for romance" thing a part of Sonic's personality. but then, as time went on I began do warm up to the idea, probably an effect of growing up, you start to think more seriously about it. and now I'm glad we see some bits of relationship here and there between Sonic and Amy. the whole crazy fangirl schtick is mostly gone and Amy has grown as a character, which allows for a more complex approach on this. for example, why was Sonic always so reluctant? what brought him to have a slight change of heart in that?
it doesn't have to be centered around it, like a story of him rescuing Amy, even more when you consider she ought to be capable of fending off for herself, but as a subtext thing, it would be pretty cool. for someone who's all about speed, Sonic's romantic life surely is a slowburn
I will say this. The problem with Sonic and Elise's relationship isn't the fact that it's human animal, which has been done plenty of times in the past with western animation, it's the fact that the relationship has no build up and wasn't very developed. I wonder if this has to do with the rushed development of the game as everything in the game suffers from the rushed development including it's story that felt half baked.
Although personally I'm more on the side of Sonic just having no relationship at all because there really isn't a point. The games are more about Sonic fighting against Eggman's attempts to either ruin the environment or do whatever
I actually really enjoy Sally and Sonic in a relationship once Ian Flynn took over the pre-reboot timeline. I found their dynamic to be way more charming than it once was in the comics, similar to SATAM. Her sacrifice to be mecha Sally was a great character moment and led to some of the best arcs in the comic. Thankfully the team at Archie Sonic Online has continued that plotline and the rest of the pre-reboot timeline. I highly recommend people check it out!
Archie Sonic Online is great. We finally have a continuation of one of Sonic's best continuities.
@@bowserbreaker2515 For real. Pre reboot Flynn was so fantastic. I was so happy when they started the "Sonic Saga Series" graphic novels to get the beginning of Flynn's era in a convenient format, but the series as a whole got cancelled right before the volume came out that concluded Scourge arc. The pre-reboot, reboot , Mega-Drive and even graphic novels of Archie Sonic were all cancelled in the middle of story arcs.
@@drekiskrek5008 I'd didn't read the Mega Drive stuff, and I don't love the reboot (It's still good, but preboot Flynn was peak Sonic. Much better than IDW.
Blaze and Sonic have the best dynamic for that sort of relationship, plus the dimensional divide would allow for Sega to keep their mandate
Um, mandates were never real (according to a questionable figure who claimed 'em). Although, Sonaze is way better ship than Sonamy.
This right here. Sonaze has always had more chemistry and feels more natural. And neither are super lovey-dovey so it works out perfectly.
Sonaze is basically the games equivalent of Sonally, they are about a free-spirited and playful guy with a dutiful and serious girl, both works for me
@@JohnnyTheGamer wait, what
Tbh sega made a joke/kinda canon edit twitter post that says sonaze is canon in the satbk universe
Short Answer: No.
Long Answer: Unless he finds someone he has shared interests in that don't majorly clash with his adventurous style, and he has feelings for them and vice versa, then no.
Edit: it also could gives both of them character development and growth, if possible. Otherwise, it can just be wholesome vibes.
@Freejay Free technically speaking, they are opposites, yet opposites do attract. That being said, I don't think Blaze would abandon her responsibilities of ruling her kingdom.
@Freejay Free true, true.
@Freejay Free I'm totally sure Silver will be a delightful third wheel, and things won't get complicated and cause a divide in the community.
@Freejay Free in all seriousness, it's not out of the possibilities.
@Freejay Free I'd say she's one of the best, and sometimes underrated.
7:29 i don't care for whatever is going on in the comics but i love this panel for how dynamic the posing is, its so POWERFUL
The thing I like about Frontiers Sonic is that he clearly was biting off more than he could chew in an effort to save everyone, seeing him slowly getting corrupted but fighting on anyway was a good glimpse of how he CAN'T always be the guardian angel. Problem being the corruption was resolved as soon as it came into play, and I can only chalk that up to Sonic Team's time constraints on the game
I concur. I personally would have liked to see Sonic fail for once and require someone else to save him-and this would take time.
It’s an issue when Sonic has better relationships in fanfic. Not that I would know 😳
Excuse me?
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Easy answer: Sonic needs to date me instead. 😍
*yes*
Well, well...
Wtf!!
I'm honestly not a fan of Sonic having a relationship, I like how Sonic would rather not want to be in one as he sees it would tie down which would conflict with how he likes to live his life free as the wind. I think it's nice having a character like that, you don't really see too many characters like that.
I think a relationship like porco rosso is best for Sonic I understand how you feel, but the relationship between a man who is now living for his freedom and a woman who has been patiently waiting for her freedom Actually, there was something similar to this behind the scenes in Sonic 1.
Stop making Sonic sound boring.
@@bakedbeans5494 Has Sonic been boring, never at least in the games has he ever expressing in a romantic relationship with anyone, was he boring then, if not then why am I making him boring by asking he to accurate to his character? You don't need a romantic relationship to make an interesting character and I feel Sonic is more interesting without one. Let the hedgehog be free.
@@ドラゴンリュー-f1x I have no idea what porco rosso is. But honestly what happens after that because Sonic as franchise will continue persist as long as it still sells so how do you continue that story, should they then introduce relationship melodrama, or how do you write Sonic having a stable relationship when he's constantly running around the world looking for the chaos emeralds, never staying in one spot for long. They could always tag along but unless they can keep up with Sonic's speed and don't mind the constant travel from place to place and when they do stay in a place longer than 5 seconds it's because a great Eldritch evil was unleashed that threatens to kill everyone and destroy the universe and Sonic has to kick it's ass. How do you write a stable relationship like that, when you're constantly on the move like you're fleeing the country for tax evasion and when take time to stop your life in mortal danger?
Its sad to see how disagreeable most peoples' idea of 'love' is, at least to me. I wonder what makes them always think that love is something that holds you down... with me its quite the opposite you see - Im a free-spirit just like Sonic and I believe that love is something that can make us STRONGER and even *ENHANCE* our freedom, not hinder it. IF your love is true, then you will find that the love will be able to follow with you in the wind aswell 💙 At least, thats what I figure! 😁✌
And the love will be there to help us through the conflict:
*"Love can help us share the pain" - Bentley Jones* 🖤
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Really agreed with your comments at the end, I miss Sonic having real banter with his friends and rolling with it for fun. I hope to see some of this return in this new era of Sonic.
I feel like romance could work with Sonic if it wasn't made out to be this big spectacle that I think a lot of people want it to be. I don't wanna see Sonic making out on screen and making everything awkward, I wanna see Sonic and characters explore the feelings they have that comes with romance.
With how Sonic and Amy's relationship has been handled recently in the game, show, and comic, and the possibly unused dialogue in Sonic Frontiers hinting towards romantic feelings for Amy ("Amy, I should have made up my mind sooner." and "Wish we were sharing an umbrella, Amy."), maybe we might see some of those mandates loosen up eventually.
BEILIEVE ME I like sonamy but I DONT WANT TO SEE TWO COLORED HEDGEHOGS MAKING OUT, I want their relationship to be cute and simple
@@roseliand936 That’s exactly it! Sonic isn’t the type of character to be doing that kind of thing, so it’d be super weird and awkward if he did. If anything romantic were to ever happen between Sonic and Amy, I think subtlety and simplicity would be the way to go.
@@s-lye Yep! It's basically like carving your initials in a heart on a tree that's seen a lot in Western media. The fact that Sega had to approve for those lines to be in game, even if they were potentially cut later, shows they're aware of shipping stuff.
The mess with ships is also why I think subtly would go a long way in terms of romance in Sonic. Don't make being all lovey or kissy the focal point, but rather, on character interactions and development through romance.
But that's just me, personally haha.
I actually really like Elise being more reinterpreted as someone who sees Sonic as a father/idol figure and despite being a princess with material possessions and royalty, she has everything yet nothing with the loss of her parents so Sonic fills in that gap and breaks out her emotions that we’re concealed physically and metaphorically
I see what ur saying but anytime Elise is brought up I cringe with disgust and fear because the kissing scene still till this day makes me want to light sonic 06 on fire again.
@@vinnylynch54 how about you get over a video game cutscene from almost 2 decades ago and think about actually serious problems like genocide going on rn that shoi be disgusting you like beheaded babies
No Pants = Freedom, and Sonic is all about that freedom, lol.
Also to quote Timmy’s Dad: “Pants are for Squares.”
Yes and her name is Blaze. Give my man Sonic his break.
It's ironic how the mandates turned Sonic into a literal machine. He has little to no emotion outside of happiness and optimism, maybe sprinkling in a "sad moment" here and there but the guy is borderline psychotically happy.
I originally thought that one part of "The Slap" was due to something that happened prior. Sonic saved Mobius by stopping a doomsday device that would have created a Black Hole but believed to be at the cost of his life. He reemerged a year later not realizing he was blasted forward in time so I believed that Sally's fear of losing Sonic a second time was the cause of it. Didn't know about the drama going on in the office.
Sonic never pressures himself to find a girlfriend he is just chill. Finding a relationship is a hard problem for us.
I have the same problems with Sonic having a girlfriend that I do with him having parents.
EDIT: What I mean by this is while I do acknowledge Sonic has parents that existed at some point, they should never actually be a presence in the games because that detracts from Sonic's nature as a free-spirited adventurer and gives him a more strongly defined origin. I like the lore from the classic games that Sonic was born on Christmas Island but left in his Dad's plane to see the world and that's how he came across Eggman.
To me, Sonic not having parents opens up so many possibilities for his origins.
One of my favorite dumb ideas is that he manifested one day due to an overabundance of Chaos Energy collecting in a single area. Just *poof* Sonic came into existence, and his first experience was witnessing Eggman trapping innocent creatures for selfish reasons, leading to Sonic's strong sense of justice and freedom. That's also how I justify that Sonic is one of the only people able to naturally utilize the Chaos Emerals. He's essentially a _living_ Chaos Emerald. Just about every other character that uses them are either inorganic, god-like beings, or because Sonic was around when they were using them too (the first time Shadow went Super, Sonic was there. The first time Silver transformed, Sonic was there. Knuckles can only transform because of his connection to the Master Emerald.)
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@@rockinrootbeer1795 w head cannon
For Mario, it's obvious(or the media pushes it so much), that his girlfriend/wife is Princess Peach. Even if he's saving someone else(Like Pauline from the first "Donkey Kong", or Princess Daisy from Super Mario Land), he's always led back to Peach.
Sonic, on the other hand, has had many girlfriends...
Amy Rose, Sally Acorn, Fiona Fox, Elise from Sonic '06(even though they just slightly alluded to it), Mina The Mongoose, Blaze the Cat...
Sonic doesn't just run fast....he gets around too. He's a player XD
In the immortal words of Braniac: "I just want a decent pair of pants!"
I thought his gf was Knuckles?
He left his girlfriend after she refused to be the mother of his child.
@@CowLiverShe who exactly are you even talking about?
I'm pretty sure his gf is that one weird girl who opened a love forum and obsessed over sonic pissing...
Splash Dash answering the questions everyone is too afraid to ask
I was thinking about this question and thought:
"He'd probably do best with a partner who he doesn't have to settle down for. Someone who can keep his pace and share his interests and take part in his heroic world saving lifestyle, maybe even someone who can rival him in these aspects and push him to work harder"
...then I realized this just describes shadow
The first part describes Tangle
Lets just say he’s in love with
Chili dogs and end it all sheesh
But shadow is 50+.
If they ever do a canon Sonic relationship for the games it should be that his love interest is an actual partner/fighter and not a side character who just goes “I love you sonic good luck stopping eggman!”
the tail end of sonic and sallyʻs relationship pre genesis wave was actually some of my favorite sonic media of all time. the two just kind of balanced each other out if that makes sense
As long as it's Sonic's personal choice to not have a girlfriend, we should respect it, but if he's gonna live his life the way he does, we have to see him personally struggle from time to time. This is why I say he should at least have an occasional love interest who he has to reluctantly reject in name of being true to his own resolution or because he sees there's no genuine compatibility.
You see, this is why we need Uncle Chuck around to pressure him for grandnephews
Argue all you want. Sonic X Rings will always be the true OTP.
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Counter: Sonic x Chili Dogs. Whaddaya think he's spending them Rings on?
@@espurrseyes42 good point.
Thank you for respecting Sally and Sonally.
-He probably did because of how toxic some fans are- .
@@markofthewolvessucks8930 Fact
@@markofthewolvessucks8930 you mean creepy son///amy weirdos?
@@sezunemizuhana3870 also that
He shouldn’t because she’s naked
It'd be nice to see a video covering all the Sega Mandates and his thoughts onto them. I'm also glad to see how Sonic Prime handled the hedgehog from what I've seen so far.
You pretty much hit the nail on the head on how I feel about Sonic and Sally. They had this history and chemistry that just makes them enjoyable too watch. Not controlling each other but balancing each other out. Even int eh Archie comics when they're written properly you can see that they love each other but also don't want to steo on each other's toes. When they did get back together Sally even apologies for slapping him and they joke about it.
If Archie didn't just let Ken Penders kill the orginal canon we'd probably still be getting their comics and the Mecha Sally Arc would be concluded by now.
I mean… It would be character development at least, and it would show a side of Sonic that doesn’t really get explored all much. Yeah, he loves his friends. But still. Between Sonic Frontiers and Sonic Prime, I’m noticing Sonic has become a lot more caring and compassionate towards Amy recently. Because usually the whole bit with them is Amy has a crush on him, Sonic brushes her off but still cares for her as a friend. But those two instances were different. I mean… It would be character development at least, and it would show a side of Sonic that doesn’t really get explored all much. Yeah, he loves his friends, in the way he loves them like they’re his family. But still. Between Sonic Frontiers and Sonic Prime, I’m noticing Sonic has become a lot more caring and compassionate towards Amy recently. Because usually the whole bit with them is Amy has a crush on him, Sonic brushes her off but still cares for her as a friend. But those two instances were different.
I think you said the same thing twice
Yup they did
@@chocolateturtle7106deadass ☠️ still right though
@@chocolateturtle7106 lmao i’ve done it before, copy & pasting to try and format a comment better and not even realize what i had done
After hearing that she does tarot, I always thought it'd be funny if they portrayed Amy as this creepy mystic chick who can get a little too affectionate because she doesn't have any friends.
Sonic being Aromantic can make a lot of sense, as many Aro people can and do still "play in that space" or are Grey. It doesn't mean relationships between others can't happen, and others may try to spark up something with Sonic if they're unaware of that Aro status (or presume they're "the one"). Sonic may still view them with fondness and care, but just not be wired for interest in a romantic partner.
Plus that leaves more time in the comics for Tangle and Whisper to finally start dating _Bay-beeeee_
I don't think that Sonic isn't specifically interested in relationships, but he wasn't interested in Amy specifically. In her very first appearance she violated his personal space by hugging him against his consent, in Heroes she wanted to use violence to force him into marriage. If her behavior was taken seriously, she would be jailed for sexual assault. Why would Sonic want to be with a violent stalker? Poor Sonic was so traumatized that his first emotion after seeing Amy was genuine FEAR.
Compare that with Elise, who was great for Sonic to spend downtime with. That's why they clicked together. Consent is cool, kids.
Either way, I think Sonic should be able to get into relationship now. 90s are over, 00s are over, this days love is cooler no matter what form it takes. I think we might enter the era when wholesome is the new cool. Just treat Sonic with respect. If Amy treats him with respect now, if they can support each other instead of being dead weight, I am fine with them being together. In Unleashed Amy proven that she can behave civilized, in Black Knight they dated (Sonic got suddenly isekai'd but the intent was there), in Generations she was on his birthday and in Frontiers she is a part of his adventuring team and Sonic does girlfriend back grab. Sonamy is canon now, Sonic seems okay with this and so am I.
sonic i'm fine with having romance as the problem's more amy not getting to show her strength to sonic in the adventure games(sa2 being the worst as she does nothing but complain,mistake sonic for shadow in daylight,doesn't use her hammer to wallop eggman when threatened instead of weakly redoing tail's arc and a hokey speech to shadow that makes more sense coming from rouge/actually defend chris taking that moment as he had more interaction being shadow meeting a human after they killed maria.).
when tails got to tell sonic of his feats as both wanted to not be a burden to sonic(when the last time she canonically showed up she got kidnapped/in mania missed out on the adventure even with her focus in origins.) and show he can always depend on them which is what the friends are meant to show being part of freedom that the blue blur cherishes and being in love could potentially tie down(in heroes she was fine as she was helping big & cream search for their friends with how metal sonic took them just using sonic as a bonus of showing her growth way better and to be fair sonic & tails/rogue and especially eggman really should've told shadow his past instead of fighting him so we wouldn't have to have suffered his game.) .
with the jason griffith era being amy(and the characters in general outside 06 shadow/the chaotix & blaze to an extent with free riders/forces being the closest to that low.) at her worst as while i love lisa ortiz voice for her, in the direction she's just a bratty stalker sonic's justified wanting nothing to do with(sonic x was just her only thinking about sonic/alongside advance 3 threatening sonic with her hammer and battle had her try to make sonic gemerl's parent/outright hallucinating sonic.).
sally making the comics go into bad soap opera fanfiction(when those comics were already until worlds collide/the genesis wave outside a few areas a cluttered convoluted mess with trying to fit the games in.) with the unnecessary love triangle compared to satam even if i don't care for sonic's personality in it/that cartoon not feeling much like sonic and elise outside the disgustingly uncomfortable moment being a extremely useless damsel that got kidnapped 5 times,nearly let space stay broken to keep her memory of sonic instead of just letting her interactions impact her(with amy having a similar moment showing she became a pathetic stalker that would stay with sonic even if he became evil.) and amy not reacting to it.
the series has done romantic implications well as i loved sonic's emotional moments in the games like the storybook games,unleashed especially(that showed sonic does care for her when she doesn't recognize him with black knight implied to be him accepting her date at the end.),lost world(while knuckles did nothing/should've been on the lost hex literally knocking sense into tails with how much of a brat he was being amy was handled okay showing care for the animals safety and never mentioning her love of sonic even once.) and frontiers(sonic was good in that game as lost world-forces was sonic at his most stale being treated as the only competent hero when everyone has better abilities than him and love his more mature outlook.).
would love to see madonna(the scrapped love interest to sonic that appeared in the comics.) in the games just drop the lover angle to a affectionate fan turned friend to sonic.
I agree with you splash about the characters just being friendly now I do miss when they had their traits from older games hell on Twitter there’s a discussion about should Amy be like sally or boom Amy or her old self where she’s bubbly light heart girl that loves sonic but still get the job done but I do feel like tails and knuckles are still good I just need all characters that we haven’t seen interact to actually interact instead of just talking to sonic about the next big problem.
I much prefer how amy is now but i get where you are coming from
@@valletas I mean I don’t mind it that much but do wish they sprinkled a little of her old traits back in her character
She had some nice moments in the past, but for the most part, you don't wanna 2000's(and early 2010's) Amy back
Sonic and Knuckles were seriously sassing each other in Frontiers, I haven't gotten to Eggman, but his Messages alone show a lot of sass towards Sonic.
So I don't see why you think that all their interactions are the same, or that they all have the same traits.
Edit: Left a word out.
@@darkhorse744 okay true about the sonic and knuckles part I do think frontiers does a great job of that
The only Relationship sonic is in is his Right Hand...
Nativ
Sonic's whole purpose is to be free.
Sonic is like Peter Pan, an escapism entity that isn't involved with long life compromise, because if it happens, it can means that his status as a freedom husband will have to be interrupted, Amy, Sally or any other love interest is like Wendy, a girl that meets him, someone who could be like him but because they are almost in the same position the girl tries to join him on a committed basis, the girl defies his ideas, the romantic settlement is an intruder, the Peter Pan(Sonic) denies this possibility because it would the end of his uncompromised entity status
I think I heard that the creator intentionally made Sonic like Peter Pan. Also if Amy was still how she was around Heroes, she so be Tinkerbell in how jealous she was at Wendy.
SONIC UNDERGROUND WAS MY FAVOURITE SHOW GROWING UP
Given how hard the Sonic franchise had been hit with rule 34 and shipping wars hes better off without a romance to say nothing of Sega’s mandates which pretty much makes it impossible for him to have one
The only way to end ship wars is to not have one.
@@markofthewolvessucks8930 no disagreement from me, people tend to act very stupid about it acting as if it’s the point of the franchise.
@@dayvonlouis5187 Ikr
No one:
Me at 3:20 am watching a video about an anthropomorphic hedgehog's love life :
Omg fr (1year late-😅)
I would honestly love to see Sonic have a girlfriend again, and I am not just saying that because I ship him and Blaze; I think it would show a more honest and vulnerable side to the character, which would give him a lot more depth.
@Mitistouchyamama I think a male character can be goal oriented and have a relationship as well: one doesn't have to interfere with the other
@Mitistouchyamama I imagine Sonic would be a bit more laid back about it, which would mean his girlfriend would probably understand that; which in turn allows us to logically look at his options if they ever went that route.
Amy would be out because, well you know...
Cream is out because she is WAAAY too young
Rouge (oddly enough) could work, but then she's kind of in something with either Knuckles or Shadow
Blaze (this is SLIGHTLY biased) would be totally understanding of Sonic's adventurous nature and obligations (given her own): granted, they would take long distance to the extreme with the dimension hopping.
And now that the comics are (kinda) canon...
Surge: No. I'm sorry but no. I love Surge, but girl got legitimate psychological and emotional issues (courtesy of being kidnapped and gaslit by Starline). If anything, Sonic would be more interested helping Surge than dating her
Whisper: this could work (maybe), but given Whisper's past and just now coming to terms with having friends again... Let's not rush anything
Tangle: if you thought I was biased with Blaze, I am doubling down on Tangle: she is practically a female Sonic already (minus the speed and she is somewhat more expressive). I could TOTALLY see them traveling together, Fighting Eggman, and helping people from time to time, calling their adventures "dates"
Belle: imma be real with you G: I forgot about this character until I reach the end of making this post. I'll just say I don't think it would work
My favorite iteration of Amy is from Sonic Prime. In that show, she’s a strong, independent woman, almost barely ever saying Sonic’s name. This also goes for Amy from Sonic Boom. But the difference is that in Sonic Boom, there are slight moments where you can see that Amy and Sonic have a relationship in a “will they won’t they” situation. But yeah Sonic Prime Amy is my favorite version of her.
A whole video covering Sega's mandates actually sounds pretty great
After meeting Roger Craig Smith today, this is a really good treat. Keep up the good work Splash Dash
It ain’t that sonic ain’t allowed, it’s just that he don’t wanna.
3:06 Damn I knew he was full of himself but I didn’t know he wanted to fill himself
What do you mean that he has an ego. Sonic does not act like this in the games. He does not Think himself as better or worse than others (That’s why he dislikes being called “Master” in Sonic & the secret rings)
“No, he should have a boyfriend”
And the video ends.
Eggman: No! Sonic will be forever stuck in the *Friend Zone!* -laughs away-
While I don't hate the idea of Sonic being in a relationship, I don't care for it that much either since it wouldn't add anything of value to the games.
I also think it goes against Sonic being a free-spirited individual who goes by his own rules.
Yeah, Giving him a girlfriend Will betray the fact that he does Whatever he wants, Like when you have a girlfriend, Your being forced to do things with your partner (That the reason why Sonic does not want to marry Amy)
Yeah, I feel like a lot of the Sonic fandom is obsessed with these things that ultimately do not matter at all. If Sonic had a fun game in the first place then nobody would be talking about this.
@@themissingbits6375 Obviously said by someone without a girlfriend.
@@bakedbeans5494 Do you have one?
@@themissingbits6375 Used to.
I’m always blessed to be sustained by your content LS m- I mean Splash the Dash.
Every time I see this topic, I'm saddened by the loss of Madonna, and Sally and amy are both great heroines, but saddened by what toxic fans and officials did to them.Even though elise was great.. .
This is something that I can agree with .
Honestly I really like Amy in sonic boom she was really her own character yet still was interested in sonic and they would have dates and stuff that they would reference and even show sometimes in a few episodes
Not a bad video.
I think the idea could work depending on how you approach it. For me, I often preferred Sally as a love-interest for Sonic since I feel like she acted as a good balance to Sonic's ego without feeling like Sonic would have to give up who he was (at least for SATAM). Not to mention I feel like Sonic as a character enjoys a good challenge; and that could carry over into his relationships.
Amy I like as a character, but neutral on as a love interest as I felt like 2000s Amy would maybe be too forgiving of his shortcomings or that Sonic would not likely stay interested; though it seems like since Boom, they've been their dynamic to be something more compatible (i.e., having Amy act as a moral compass for Sonic).
Elise, outside of the whole human thing, could work conceptually as a sheltered princess experiencing a thrill of adventure with Sonic; but even then, 06 doesn't really give her that much personality outside of her backstory.
Overall, as with anything in the franchise, it depends on the execution. I'm pretty neutral on Sonic's romantic pursuits overall, but part of me would be interested to see if and how the movies would approach the subject.
Personally, I don't think Sonic's the relationship type, but he also isn't devoid of having romantic feelings for someone. He can like someone, but he'd rather keep that to himself. Sonic seems self-aware enough to know that a relationship wouldn't really work out for him, not just in terms of personality, but also the dangers that could come with it, like Eggman targeting Sonic's partner. I feel like Sonic wouldn't dare to take that risk, so, as heart-wrenching as it may be for him, he'd rather keep any feelings he has for someone bottled up inside. That isn't to say that these emotions wouldn't manifest themselves in little ways, like a sweet but small gesture that hints at his feelings.
Now you bring this topic up, I can't actually tell what the general consensus is on Frontiers' take on Amy. I feel like the majority are fine and maybe prefer this Amy, while some, like me, aren't as big on it as it seems to mostly remove one of her main traits of the character.
No. Sonic is a free spirit that doesn't like being tied down, not to mention he was conceived as the "Anti-Mario", aka too cool for "lame" stuff like saving princesses for kisses and cake. A serious relationship would only bog down who he is. Maybe this would be fine for Knuckles or Rouge or someone else, but not Sonic.
And because of your minds that you're making the character into a bland and forgettable video game character cuz he doesn't really have any emotions then a free spirit. Even more you has more character than him nowadays
@@sondradaviss2667
Being free-spirited doesn't stop him from being a good character. Just look at the Adventure games or Unleashed. He can be free-spirited and still have more depthful stories told about him and his world. What he doesn't need is dating drama tying him down.
I think Sonic should be allowed to feel affection, attraction and love in some form towards Amy or other love interest but maintain the fact that he ultimately will never commit. That's a compelling and bittersweet lesson for Amy and the audience to have. Having reciprocal feelings doesn't always mean you'll end up together, and i think Sonic loves what he does much more. Amy's life goals will never be compatible with Sonic's unless one of the two became someone they're not. They're too different. Amy yearns stability, making a family etc and Sonic is a nomad who loves adventure. I think in some ways Sonic X explores these dichotomies pretty well (i watched the japanese dub)
@calebvela9252 yeah but i think they skipped all the development and storytelling on how Amy went to stalker to that conclusion. There was so much potential for cool stories and arcs there
Yea I like that he has feelings for Amy, but won't go through with it.
@@Chibiknux You've lost even more credibility now that you've called Amy a stalker.
@@enzoamore8971 Stop glorifying a terrible trope.
@@bakedbeans5494 what trope?
You make great points about how the mandates restrict the characters and I agree to an extent but I think Sonic is being handled well due to Frontiers and the Idw comics where we see Sonic concerned for his friends, having different actions with each of them such as being eager to save Amy and not wanting to get involved with the Koco because of him putting his friends as a top priority, his friendly rivalry with Knuckles is displayed multiple times, and how he acts like a concerned big brother to Tails while also having the aspect of trying to reason with his enemies which is seen with him trying to talk things out with Sage; the Idw comics push this further where Sonic is similar to Frontiers due to the same writer but we see Sonic regretting the decisions he makes which leads to be more urgent when saving his friends while also focusing more on Sonic's ideals that clash with villains.
I do agree that the early parts of Archie that Ken Penders wrote focused too much on love drama but when Ian Flynn took over much of that stuff was dialed while focusing on Sally being a leader and a diplomat which was the driving force of multiple arcs and Sonic and Sally's interaction being flirtatious but organic.
I can't agree that Amy is boring now because especially in Frontiers we see her as a hopeful character that wants to help people in her own way which leads her to help the Koco and argue with Sage, Amy feels more mature in her attitude while keeping what made her character great in both Sonic Adventure and Adventure 2.
I agree that the mandates in Shadow should be removed because it holds character back but I don't think it hurts Sonic much because despite that we see him struggle, fail, and question himself but he still keeps his optimism intact.
Amy was awful in Sonic Frontiers.
@@bakedbeans5494 How so?
@@kage1573 Amy felt boring, flanderised and gloomy.
@@bakedbeans5494 I can't agree because we see her best traits at the for front such as her compassion, empathy, and her willingness to stand up to anyone like her standing up against Sage.
Her more subdued attitude is attributed to the serious situations such as the feeling of cyberspace, the Koco dying from her point of view, and the mystery of Kronos Island which falls in line with the narrative but she also has some fun interactions with Sonic while also having serious conversations with him.
@@kage1573 Compassion, empathy and willingness to stand up for Sonic? How many times have we seen that before? That's exactly what flanderisation is. All of Amy's over traits were removed just so her compassion could dominate. Not a single romantic remark was made by Amy unlike in games with better stories.
Even during Sonic Unleashed, Amy was way happier and that was an end of the world event.
You brought up the Kocos which is so superficial. The Japanese script had Amy saying that she wants to be more refined which is better than that "sharing love with the world" crap. Unfortunately, Kishimoto just ripped off Sonic Adventure.
Imagine if we had current Amy's personality during big moments like her being imprisoned, Shadow causing the Space Colony ARK to crash on Earth or Dark Gaia plunging the world in eternal darkness? The horror!
Thoughts: What does it matter if we get a solidified interpretation of Sonic or not? I think he should live as just a funny lil' blue guy that any writer could adapt with the themes of freedom Sonic works typically attempt to convey. Like Mark says in the video, mandates just stifle Sonic's ability to grow and be - restricting the freedom to mess around with our quirky quilled guy just goes to strip him of the endless possibilities his existence brings to the table.
I cant begin to explain how much I agree. Thank you for this comment! Lets hope more peeps hear this because its true. Sonic is about *FREEDOM* ; putting mandates and other restrictions on him doesnt do him justice *it just serves as an ANTITHESIS to his character* !
Long opinion short, I want Movie Sonic specifically to get along with Amy
I agree
Only if she voiced by Anna Kendrick 😂😂😂
Ahem.
*No.*
Anakin is a good example of that.
You didn't read these comics.
Hat to be that guy but as someone who has read these comics....
6:25
That was not Antoine, that was Patch disguised as Antione.
That wedding was not legit, it was a plan by Patch to gain control of the Knothole Kingdom by Poisoning the King
And Guilt tripping Sally into Wed lock.
And The Geofrey St. John love triangle was not a soap opera, He shows up for a mini series and two action issues and then disappears for several issues until they started building the issue 50. And when he came back the love triangle was more of him and Sonic fist fighting a lot rather then actual love drama.
Now the Mina and Monke Kahn love triangles where annoying, but those where years apart (and the latter was written by Flynn not Ken)
And the issue 134 break up was bad, but you do need to take into account that in the previous issue Sonic was almost killed by one of Eggman's robots, so the reason Sally gave him an ultimatum was at least understandable. (it's bad for other reasons)
Quick correction on the Archie timeline thing, the universe where they get married is an alternate one, it’s non canon to the pre-reboot timeline
And it’s for the best because Penders went to war with Archie when they told him that the 25 years later plot was non canon. Even if Flynn made it slightly better (but that’s not saying much) it’s for the best
They gave Eggman this incredible design in '06 but then give the main "love interest" the most horrendous model
Idk she looks pretty in the Opening cutscene 👀. Same with sonic also looking badass in the Opening.
I think Sonic having a relationship isnt a bad idea. The said partner just needs to be as adventurous as he is. I think Amy does fit that well especially when u look at how shes depicted in SA1 and 2 and IDW.
i thought the image in 6:27 was fan art, i never knew it was official archie art LOOL
Ikr
I absolutely positively think Sonic should be able to have close bonds with other characters.
But making him settle down in a romantic relationship like in Archie is, at least to me, completely against his lifestyle.
I always liked how _game_ Sonic isn't just a generic "Gets girlfriend at the end" type hero
I'm mixed on the idea, but I think it could maybe work, as you mentioned in the video, the conflicting views for Sonic could be interesting.
7:43 that song totally saved your carrier xD
Thanks for not referencing Guptill89's work here. Must've taken great restraint.
My theory is that the emerald Elise has is one the few different emeralds outside of the main 7, because there could be even more Chaos Emeralds out there in the Sonic universe aside from the 7 we already know.
In Sonic 1, we only collect 6 emeralds, until in Sonic 2 where a 7th was discovered, and in Sonic the Fighters (even though it might not be canon) an 8th emerald is discovered.
So that's pretty much my take on it.
As Sonic is mainly marketed towards kids, it's totally okay to never include any actual relationships. They have gone way too far though. There is a single mother in the games and even in the idw comics kids are never shown with two parents.
Honestly, playful banter has never hurt anyone and it probably goes over the head of most kids. Rouge's chemistry with Knuckles is pretty fun, even if they never do absolutely anything, it's still fun seeing them interact in that way
Yeah-but the fanbase is on the older and more mature side. The kid friendly appeal of the series is something Sega is trying to push-but it is always the old guard that keeps the series alive.
Kinda off topic but I always thought Amy’s theme song sounded like “papaya.”
The answer to the title: no.
I don't know, SplashDash. While I do agree with most of your video, I do like the running joke that was bought up in the Sonic Boom cartoon, where Sonic just doesn't like to wear pants. It feels in character for him, and makes him feel like more of a free spirit.
It's also just really funny. XD
To answer this question no
I think if they leaned more into sonic liking amy back but being shy about it and not wanting to be tied down for now (which is canon) would make sonic a much more interesting character
Sonic’s love interest needs to be “the size of an average human mother”
If you know, you know….
Oh god why
I don't get it
@@mrmelonman2893 you poor innocent youth
Just wait til sega learns about sonic r34