Not sure why no one seems to get the point. Of course if its a machine rest, with a scope or red dot they would be nearly the same, he‘s testing the hypothesis that a longer sight radius on a handgun will make the GUNNER more accurate.
I've enjoyed several of your videos, but have not taken the time to thank you for how helpful, and thoughtful, they are. Your explanations are thorough, but not unnecessarily so (you even speeded some sections up--thank you!). I benefit each time I watch your videos. My first firearm was (and still is here) a Ruger Security Six with four-inch barrel, the next was a Blackhawk with the 6.5-inch barrel, and my results have always been similar, especially now 35 years or so later. The longer sight radius really helps. Thank you for your helpful videos.
if you want to grade the accuracy from both guns then a rest would be in order all this off hand shooting is just your skill level with both guns so removing the human element would give you a truer results.
David, Before you mess with the sight adjustment, find the brand and loading your gun likes first. Your accuracy issues were similar for me until I found the right round!
Some good looking Altamont grips on those. So much more goes into accuracy than just barrel lengths. I'm not much on snubbies, though I do have some. I prefer 4" to 6", if for no other reason than cosmetics. I have some black powder revolvers up to 8". Some firearms tend to like one ammo brand or weight over another. I have some .357s that are more accurate with .38 SPL and some that are more accurate with .357. None of my .44 Magnums are less than 6".
It will be interesting to perform the same tests with redo dot sight. I think if you eliminate the variable of sight radius, the difference in accuracy of 4 inch and 6 inch barrels will be negligible.
Also aside from a longer sight radios, longer barrels offer higher velocities as well. You tend to see larger increases with larger variations in length though.
As Felix the Cat says, Radio!!! Love it... Mix drinking (Whiskey) n driving butttooo notooo w shoot'n dear Cowboy! Dat's bc. BullGirls will b watching ya.
Very nice video. I had a ruger gp100 6 inch and sold it and i was looking for the gp100 4.2 and because the 4 inch has the same velocity as the 6 inch. But I never thought about the sight helping grouping
Other than sight radius, I don't have a real personal preference between 4" or 6" barrels & only see a slightly improved group with the longer of the two choices. Individual shooters may have differing results.
I have a lot of revolvers and have been shooting them more than 50 years. As it happens, the most accurate handgun I have ever shot is my Colt Officer's Model Match .38 with 6" barrel. Therefore...6" barrels are more accurate, right? I don't think so. At least I do not think the barrel length deserves the credit. The OMM has an excellent trigger and action (the same as a Python) and excellent and very clear sights (same as a Python) and I think those features are what makes the gun easier to shoot accurately in a person's hands. I would bet if you clamped any of my good quality revolvers with 4", 5" or 6" barrels in a machine rest and fired them, there would be little, if any difference in accuracy. I do not own a Python, but have fired them. I would wager that a Python with a 4" barrel would be as easy to shoot accurately as a Python with a 6" barrel. We could get into the physics of sight radius and how that affects precision, but it is a pretty moot point when you put the gun into the average shooter's hands. I give the credit for really fine accuracy to trigger, action and sights.
So you're saying that Paul Harrell is right, there are people out there like you? I always thought he was just joking around, but I guess he was serious.
I sure like the black S&W w/walnut grips , the basket weave grips very beautiful. Beautiful revolver's . I also practice at 30' , you got some great groups with the one , very impressive.
Actual for me video, thank you. I am now choosing the barrel length for the Taurus Hunter. I think that an even longer barrel makes for a better balance of the weapon, compensating for the significant weight of the drum with cartridges. Yes, and the total weight will be heavier, respectively, it will be easier to bear the recoil, which will give better accuracy. Thanks, subscribed :)
Hi, Had to subscribe n Like based on the video. Really cool video, Informative, down to earth, 100% real and informative/helpful. I wasn't interested in where you hit the target but what your groups were like. I'm sure "results will vary" between shooters but your results have to be an extremely good indicator of barrel length differences. Slow-Motion was a great addition. Shows brilliantly the flip and the forcing cone flash. I can see a great video like this in the future might use that Mantis device to show more finer differences. Take home message for me...if you can afford it, get a 6" & 4" and enjoy them both at the range hahaa Yeah I'm ageing and eye ageing means iron sights are on the way out for me & red dot is the thing going forward & barrel length is going to always be a thing. I like that the video kinda takes all the variables to accuracy out except the barrel length. Dilemma, I like the look of the 4" but would be thinking me personally, I'd be better off with the 6" barrel. Keep up the good work. Pity it took me years to find your channel though haha Have a great day!!
I shoot 38 special through 5-inch and 6-inch barrel revolvers. The 5-inch is a S&W 38 special. The 6-inch is a S&W 357 magnum. Up to 15 yards, I notice very little difference in accuracy. At 25 yards, my accuracy is better with the 357 magnum. However, I am not sure if the difference in accuracy is due to difference in barrel length, difference is revolver weight, difference in sight radius, or difference in optical sights.
I suppose it all comes down to your intended purpose for the revolver. The 629-6 that has the clocked barrel, that I mentioned before, is a 4”. I opted for the 4”, because, outside of recreational shooting, it’s primary purpose is for a hunting sidearm for emergency aggressive moose or cinnamon bear repellent. It is a bit handier than a 6”, and is even lighter than my 6” GP100 in .357. Once it returns from Smith, it will be riding in a chest rig.
I have a 686 Classic Hunter, 6 inch, and to this day I have never shot any gun easier or more accurate. For me anyway. I regularly hit clay targets set up on a 105 yard sand bank. I do not carry it for defense obviously. Short, light, easy to carry only. But that is only common sense, for close range only. If you want to actually hit something, consistently, go for length.
That 585 looks amazing. I can't decide between 686+ which makes more sense ( extra round, easier to maintain ) and 586 but just based on looks, 586 is winner in my eyes.
Just bought a four inch Python. Shop had a six inch right by it, at the same price. Since I’ll be carrying it I refrained from getting the six inch… I might regret it later, but the 4 is more practical for carry.
Very good decision indeed. Now I'm trying to buy one thinking about 6. I am not going to carry my gun most of the time. But still 4 inch can't get out of my mind.
I hope to own a 2020 Colt Python one day and both the 4.25 and 6 inch barrel models look gorgeous! Since I can’t decide on looks alone, this demonstration is insightful and fun to watch!
I wish you could teach other youtubers how to make a video that's to the point like your video. By the way i find the model 66 with 2 inch barrel a pain and a 686 with a 6 inch barrel a real pleasure.
I agree, not continuous loud and obnoxious music where you can't hardly concentrate on what they say. You can actually listen to him with his videos that are MUCH cleaner and concise than the usual. Good job.
Okay. Buuuuuuuuuuuuut if those guns weren't zeroed off a rest we don't know if they were on target or off target to start with. My 686 4" barrel is dead on but my 686 6" was crap until I dialed it in off a rest. Now I shoot both about the same.
We know longer is better but you are already shooting so well it hardly matters. Either one would easily do the job in the hands of the practiced shooter. My own preference is 4 inch, 6 inch is just too much gun for me. My prior Ruger Security-Six 4in was just right and I got good enough results to not have to worry about it. And its true, 38s in a 357 is hardly felt at all. I wont say its nothing but almost nothing and you can just enjoy the time and work on skill. When a person is really good in this combo, then move up to 357 ammo and work on not blinking and flinching and the rest of it.
I believe both of the revolvers are capable of more accuracy than you're capable of "holding". Watch video a few times and watch your muzzle closely it moves quit a bit --- we ALL have this problem! I'm thinking a shooting stick with a "V" notch would vastly improve accuracy. Both are beautiful revolvers👍 and probably capable of the same accuracy. The S.S. is a perfect survival "gun" 125 grain 38 specials with FMJ's will take small game without a lot of meat damage and full power 180 grain 357 mags for deer size game will easily take with good shot placement. You only need to shoot both calibers enough to figure out sight adjustment needed between the different rounds.
I have the s&w model 66,and the Taurus model 66 both with 6 inch barrels.and both have a Simmons 4/32 prohunter pistol scope on both of them that I bought for deer hunting.and with 357 158 grain soft point ammo and 38 special 158 grain soft point ammo,my Taurus out shoots my s&w 10 to 1 easy.i even switched out the scopes on them once and my Taurus still beat my s&w model 66 both with 6 inch barrels now.im keeping my Taurus now and selling my s&w to my next door neighbor with out the Simmons scope now.and just ordered me the Taurus raging bull hunter in 38/357 with a 8 and 3×1/4 inch ported barrel in black.can't wait for it to get here,they have also in 44 magnum but to me that's just to much recoil for me to handle right now at my late age.i even hunt with 158 grain soft point 38 special's sometimes and with the right shot placement there just as good as my 357 magnum ammo loads are with a lot less recoil now!!!!!
Pete Bentley I know a lot of Smith and Wesson fanatics. I love the brand, but I would not consider myself a fanatic. I probably won’t tell them about this because they would be crushed LOL
I don't think 4 legs or 2 legs would tell the difference l deer hunt with a629 smith 44mag been wanted to tell put something on you table when. You show those beautiful smiths Great shotting love your videos
Sight radius and barrel qualety makes the most accuracy Use a beanch too show the revolvers accuracy, this is just what you can do with it good format thow
I do not understand the issue people have with the internal lock. I've got several S&W revolvers. Some have the lock, some don't. I've never had any issue with any of them.
I just use stetson 🤠. I have numbers an a red cross printed under my bill. I flip down my cross lens and it helps me to hit the target and gage distance.🤓🤪🥳🍉🎯
You are going to feel less recoil when shooting in SA than DA. Shoot DA please. Also, like a cap gun or .22? LOL There is muzzle rise. You need to try some Hornady Critical Defense .357 125 gr. Hot stuff! Thx for video.
Craig Benz Stay tuned. I will be doing a video about revolver grips sometime within the next two weeks. I’m waiting for a new set to arrive for my model 10 and then I plan to address this in detail.
David----so in your opinion the 2in make a difference in accuracy. I have 4in barrels on my 620 and 586 but have shot my buddys 6in 686 and Ruger Blackhawk 6in I didn't see much difference in my shooting ,but thats not saying much...lol.....keep up the good work on the videos and enjoy your Christmas and New Year my friend
russ elder the barrel length itself does not make 6 more accurate than the 4 but the extra 2 inches of sight radius sure makes a difference for me. Plus more velocity (ie power) out of the longer barrel. 100-150 feet per second or so
Awesome video! To be honest fiocchi regular 38 special target loads are not that accurate in all fairness to you. It's not you it is the ammo. I have the same problem with that exact ammo. Shoot the 357 Magnum great but those pud loads from Fiocchi, not so much. They make great ammo in 357 magnum but the 38 special is lacking in my experiance.
I do enjoy shooting with my revolvers and discovered a while ago that I too, did better with longer barrel lengths. I traded in my 686 last year, and now I find that that was not a smart thing to have done, so....I'm looking now for another revolver with at least a 6 inch barrel in 38 SPL/357. I am trying to decide on some other make, but don't know yet what to choose. (shopping is half the fun for me )
Reg Sparkes lots of choices. I’m thinking about a 6” 586 lately....... There’s a 6” Dan Wesson out there that used to have my name on it, I let it go a few years back and can’t even remember what I had to have so bad that I felt the need to sell it. I remember the Dan Wesson though!
Keep working I was easily that way but a year and a half later with lots of practice I shot a 1" hole at 7 yards with 21 rounds with a 4" Taurus 66 all double action. Unfortunately that gun is back at Taurus for forcing cone failure after about 3600 rounds....
Now I understand why barrel length plays a significant role in handgun accuracy. I have shot a smith and wesson governor 3" at 7 yards and did terrible all the shots were high. Missed the silhouette like 12 times. Therefore; I will never own a snubby. Thanks for the input on barrel length.
@@wyattguilliams2621 no doubt. The minimum barrel length I will take is 5" though both my wheel guns are 6" and they're pretty accurate especially my 686.
@@Tread505 you're right I shouldn't underestimate a short barreled revolver. I just haven't practiced with one since I do not own one. Once I move out of New Jersey I'm looking forward to owning a snubby perhaps a Ruger LCR or a Colt Cobra
Never seen anyone cock a pistol with the left hand...I learned how to do it with a single shot shotgun in about 1960 with my right hand...left hand was on the forearm...of the shotgun...shooting ducks off the pond.
Thanks David, great video. I want to replace the S&W Mod. 19 .357 6" that was stolen from my garage 2 years ago. I am seriously trying to decide between the 568 4 in. and 586 6 inch. I'm thinking of the extra weight of the longer barrel when shooting for a couple hours at the range. I have smaller (and thus a bit weaker) wrists. Is that something you have thought about or is it a non issue for you or men with smaller wrists. Thanks.
Sir, I don’t believe the level of inaccuracy you experienced with your 4” 586 are secondary to barrel length. A longer sight radius makes shooting accurately somewhat easier, but does not make a revolver (or any firearm) inherently more accurate. Try your test off a rest, if the results are similar, it’s not your shooting, it’s the gun.
With the 357 or larger, there has been a few people who had them lock up on their own from recoil vibrating them locked. From an engineering perspective, more parts= more chances to fail, and its another entry point for dirt, derbris etc to get inside the frame, makes it harder to clean, need to clean more often. And if you've ever taken off a side plate or seen a video of a smith & wesson disassembly you'll see its already complex inside, no need to make more small parts crammed into what is like a swiss watch of small parts and springs packed into a small place.
Also, its political, often deemed a hilary hole, since it was a concession to hilary and the democrat protectionist who think a safety on the gun is what makes it safe. Not acknowledging that people often have injuries and death because misuse or misunderstanding of safetys and locks.. ie "thought it was locked or on safe" instead of following safe gun handling rules.. the person is / should he "the safety".. not pointing it at anything they dont wish to shoot, finger off trigger til ready to fire, treat all guns as if they are loaded, and know your target and what is around/beyond it.
I have a 4" GP-100, a 6" Smith 586, a 2.5" Smith 19, a 6.5" Ruger Blackhawk, and 2 Smith Model 27s: a 3.5" and a 5" from the late '60s. (Eat your heart out!) I like them all!! Modern girls look bitchy. Modern cars look like electric shavers. Modern pistols look like squirt-guns.
I don't know where or how you learned to shoot a revolver but if I ever pulled the hammer back I would have been kicked off the range and told to leave. It just was not allowed.
Robert Smotherman I don’t know where you learned to shoot a revolver but I’d be real interested in knowing how you shoot a single action revolver without pulling the hammer back lol
I shoot smaller groups than you at 25 yards with my glock 19. If you put those revolvers in a bench rest, they would put all the rounds in the same hole regardless of the barrel length. Same goes for a glock 19 or 17. The mechanical accuracy of modern firearms WAY exceeds what we can do with then standing. The extra barrel length provides a longer sight radius making it easier for YOU to shoot tighter groups but it is not any more mechanically accurate than the 4 inch. You are confusing your shooting skill with the accuracy of the gun. Oh, another common myth is that snub nose revolvers aren't accurate. They are in fact very mechanically accurate, they are just hard to shoot well so people mistakenly call them inaccurate.
I agree,Bullshit. Barrel length has multiple different effects on the slug as it travels down the barrel and length does effect the physics of the ballastic profile of a fired round
But, John, the real world is not about a bench rest. In the real world the ability to better aim the gun at the target seems like about the most important part of accuracy.
Do yourself a favor, sell the Glock bottom-feeder, buy a S&W 686 4", send it to a smith for a tune job, buy boat loads of 357mag quality ammo, and learn the essence of marksmanship, raw horsepower, and hitting what you point at.
This video is a waste of time. First of all, you're just shooting off hand. The gun's performance could be 100% because of you and not the barrel length. Seeing as you can't hit a huge piece of paper from 25 yards with a 6" revolver, you definitely need a rest to get any kind of results worth studying. Shame to see so much money spent on some nice firearms and can't even hit the target.
Not sure why no one seems to get the point. Of course if its a machine rest, with a scope or red dot they would be nearly the same, he‘s testing the hypothesis that a longer sight radius on a handgun will make the GUNNER more accurate.
I've enjoyed several of your videos, but have not taken the time to thank you for how helpful, and thoughtful, they are. Your explanations are thorough, but not unnecessarily so (you even speeded some sections up--thank you!). I benefit each time I watch your videos. My first firearm was (and still is here) a Ruger Security Six with four-inch barrel, the next was a Blackhawk with the 6.5-inch barrel, and my results have always been similar, especially now 35 years or so later. The longer sight radius really helps. Thank you for your helpful videos.
if you want to grade the accuracy from both guns then a rest would be in order all this off hand shooting is just your skill level with both guns so removing the human element would give you a truer results.
Is that how you shoot? Why don’t you go do that?
Yea, that's not accuracy bud thats called not pulling the trigger if your away from the Bench rest so shooting it from the hand is more accurate.
Yep my 586 6 inch in DA or SA is crazy accurate..almost like a rifle
This doesn't test the accuracy of the guns at all; just the accuracy the shooter is able to obtain. Still informative, thanks.
David, Before you mess with the sight adjustment, find the brand and loading your gun likes first. Your accuracy issues were similar for me until I found the right round!
My favorite gun shop! Thanks for your efforts putting together this comparison video.
Some good looking Altamont grips on those. So much more goes into accuracy than just barrel lengths. I'm not much on snubbies, though I do have some. I prefer 4" to 6", if for no other reason than cosmetics. I have some black powder revolvers up to 8". Some firearms tend to like one ammo brand or weight over another. I have some .357s that are more accurate with .38 SPL and some that are more accurate with .357. None of my .44 Magnums are less than 6".
It will be interesting to perform the same tests with redo dot sight. I think if you eliminate the variable of sight radius, the difference in accuracy of 4 inch and 6 inch barrels will be negligible.
Hey, a little dab [on top of the guns] will do ya! Great thought Mr. Swiss & WarGone Model VL72.
Um. . . Think that’s the point
Also aside from a longer sight radios, longer barrels offer higher velocities as well. You tend to see larger increases with larger variations in length though.
As Felix the Cat says, Radio!!! Love it... Mix drinking (Whiskey) n driving butttooo notooo w shoot'n dear Cowboy!
Dat's bc. BullGirls will b watching ya.
It's a joy seeing someone who love S&W so much as me! How I wish to have that collection.
I didn't know they made any other kind lol
Very nice video. I had a ruger gp100 6 inch and sold it and i was looking for the gp100 4.2 and because the 4 inch has the same velocity as the 6 inch. But I never thought about the sight helping grouping
Other than sight radius, I don't have a real personal preference between 4" or 6" barrels & only see a slightly improved group with the longer of the two choices. Individual shooters may have differing results.
I have a lot of revolvers and have been shooting them more than 50 years. As it happens, the most accurate handgun I have ever shot is my Colt Officer's Model Match .38 with 6" barrel. Therefore...6" barrels are more accurate, right?
I don't think so. At least I do not think the barrel length deserves the credit. The OMM has an excellent trigger and action (the same as a Python) and excellent and very clear sights (same as a Python) and I think those features are what makes the gun easier to shoot accurately in a person's hands.
I would bet if you clamped any of my good quality revolvers with 4", 5" or 6" barrels in a machine rest and fired them, there would be little, if any difference in accuracy.
I do not own a Python, but have fired them. I would wager that a Python with a 4" barrel would be as easy to shoot accurately as a Python with a 6" barrel. We could get into the physics of sight radius and how that affects precision, but it is a pretty moot point when you put the gun into the average shooter's hands.
I give the credit for really fine accuracy to trigger, action and sights.
So you're saying that Paul Harrell is right, there are people out there like you? I always thought he was just joking around, but I guess he was serious.
@@lynnkramer1211 We walk among you.
I sure like the black S&W w/walnut grips , the basket weave grips very beautiful. Beautiful revolver's . I also practice at 30' , you got some great groups with the one , very impressive.
I’m looking to buy that exact model! Hard to find one with a 6” barrel sold out everywhere
Actual for me video, thank you. I am now choosing the barrel length for the Taurus Hunter. I think that an even longer barrel makes for a better balance of the weapon, compensating for the significant weight of the drum with cartridges. Yes, and the total weight will be heavier, respectively, it will be easier to bear the recoil, which will give better accuracy. Thanks, subscribed :)
which size did u pick for the 357h
@RaeLN1 Took a 44 magnum 5 inches barrel length
Hi, Had to subscribe n Like based on the video. Really cool video, Informative, down to earth, 100% real and informative/helpful. I wasn't interested in where you hit the target but what your groups were like. I'm sure "results will vary" between shooters but your results have to be an extremely good indicator of barrel length differences. Slow-Motion was a great addition. Shows brilliantly the flip and the forcing cone flash. I can see a great video like this in the future might use that Mantis device to show more finer differences.
Take home message for me...if you can afford it, get a 6" & 4" and enjoy them both at the range hahaa
Yeah I'm ageing and eye ageing means iron sights are on the way out for me & red dot is the thing going forward & barrel length is going to always be a thing. I like that the video kinda takes all the variables to accuracy out except the barrel length.
Dilemma, I like the look of the 4" but would be thinking me personally, I'd be better off with the 6" barrel.
Keep up the good work. Pity it took me years to find your channel though haha
Have a great day!!
I shoot 38 special through 5-inch and 6-inch barrel revolvers.
The 5-inch is a S&W 38 special.
The 6-inch is a S&W 357 magnum.
Up to 15 yards, I notice very little difference in accuracy.
At 25 yards, my accuracy is better with the 357 magnum.
However, I am not sure if the difference in accuracy is due to difference in barrel length, difference is revolver weight, difference in sight radius, or difference in optical sights.
I love your choice of revolvers! Keep up the good work👍
Best introduction ever
I've never seen anyone comment on differences between guns in a production run. In machining, there is a tolerance. Tools do wear.
Good video- thanks for posting!
Really great videos nice shooting very informative like the results keep up the good work👍💯
I suppose it all comes down to your intended purpose for the revolver. The 629-6 that has the clocked barrel, that I mentioned before, is a 4”. I opted for the 4”, because, outside of recreational shooting, it’s primary purpose is for a hunting sidearm for emergency aggressive moose or cinnamon bear repellent. It is a bit handier than a 6”, and is even lighter than my 6” GP100 in .357.
Once it returns from Smith, it will be riding in a chest rig.
dont forget anti jihide / nut job spree shooter defence as well
It depends upon gun, person, and ammo so much variant to think about. Still interesting to us that love smiths
I have a s&w 686 with 6 inch barrel and the accuracy is phenomenal. My money is on the 6 inch
I have a 686 Classic Hunter, 6 inch, and to this day I have never shot any gun easier or more accurate. For me anyway. I regularly hit clay targets set up on a 105 yard sand bank. I do not carry it for defense obviously. Short, light, easy to carry only. But that is only common sense, for close range only. If you want to actually hit something, consistently, go for length.
Smith and Wesson revolvers have great triggers in double action and single action.
That 585 looks amazing. I can't decide between 686+ which makes more sense ( extra round, easier to maintain ) and 586 but just based on looks, 586 is winner in my eyes.
I just said the heck with all that and got a 4" 627.. yup an 8 shooter! Wow!!!
Get em both
I am always learning something. My eye sight is not very good. I never thought about a longer barrel helping.
Just bought a four inch Python. Shop had a six inch right by it, at the same price. Since I’ll be carrying it I refrained from getting the six inch… I might regret it later, but the 4 is more practical for carry.
Very good decision indeed. Now I'm trying to buy one thinking about 6. I am not going to carry my gun most of the time. But still 4 inch can't get out of my mind.
I hope to own a 2020 Colt Python one day and both the 4.25 and 6 inch barrel models look gorgeous! Since I can’t decide on looks alone, this demonstration is insightful and fun to watch!
I have one. It’s a beautiful gun. But I still love the 686
I wish you could teach other youtubers how to make a video that's to the point like your video. By the way i find the model 66 with 2 inch barrel a pain and a 686 with a 6 inch barrel a real pleasure.
I agree, not continuous loud and obnoxious music where you can't hardly concentrate on what they say. You can actually listen to him with his videos that are MUCH cleaner and concise than the usual. Good job.
I use shooting gloves with my 357. I don't want to put rubber grips on it. But, wood grips kinda beat up my hands.
It looks like it ejects something out of the 4 inch S&W at running time 11:22
Okay. Buuuuuuuuuuuuut if those guns weren't zeroed off a rest we don't know if they were on target or off target to start with. My 686 4" barrel is dead on but my 686 6" was crap until I dialed it in off a rest. Now I shoot both about the same.
I like Smith's, rugers, Taurus, etc... Like em all
We know longer is better but you are already shooting so well it hardly matters. Either one would easily do the job in the hands of the practiced shooter. My own preference is 4 inch, 6 inch is just too much gun for me. My prior Ruger Security-Six 4in was just right and I got good enough results to not have to worry about it. And its true, 38s in a 357 is hardly felt at all. I wont say its nothing but almost nothing and you can just enjoy the time and work on skill. When a person is really good in this combo, then move up to 357 ammo and work on not blinking and flinching and the rest of it.
I believe both of the revolvers are capable of more accuracy than you're capable of "holding". Watch video a few times and watch your muzzle closely it moves quit a bit --- we ALL have this problem! I'm thinking a shooting stick with a "V" notch would vastly improve accuracy. Both are beautiful revolvers👍 and probably capable of the same accuracy. The S.S. is a perfect survival "gun" 125 grain 38 specials with FMJ's will take small game without a lot of meat damage and full power 180 grain 357 mags for deer size game will easily take with good shot placement. You only need to shoot both calibers enough to figure out sight adjustment needed between the different rounds.
Ok. I just tried that left hand cocking with an empty pistol...it's works a lot better than I thought it would...not bad.
Which one are you going to carry on Nov. 4th when all the looting and fires start in Minnesota eh?
So much for that prediction.
I didn’t realize you were a Minnesotan I’m up in Hinckley. Nice to meet ya.......
You too!
@@drdrake63 roseville here. Via Blaine. Great video's! Check my Vids! 👍
If you carry, 3in or 4in is the way too go, at lease for me.
Great video , good shooting !
I have the s&w model 66,and the Taurus model 66 both with 6 inch barrels.and both have a Simmons 4/32 prohunter pistol scope on both of them that I bought for deer hunting.and with 357 158 grain soft point ammo and 38 special 158 grain soft point ammo,my Taurus out shoots my s&w 10 to 1 easy.i even switched out the scopes on them once and my Taurus still beat my s&w model 66 both with 6 inch barrels now.im keeping my Taurus now and selling my s&w to my next door neighbor with out the Simmons scope now.and just ordered me the Taurus raging bull hunter in 38/357 with a 8 and 3×1/4 inch ported barrel in black.can't wait for it to get here,they have also in 44 magnum but to me that's just to much recoil for me to handle right now at my late age.i even hunt with 158 grain soft point 38 special's sometimes and with the right shot placement there just as good as my 357 magnum ammo loads are with a lot less recoil now!!!!!
Pete Bentley I know a lot of Smith and Wesson fanatics. I love the brand, but I would not consider myself a fanatic. I probably won’t tell them about this because they would be crushed LOL
I don't think 4 legs or 2 legs would tell the difference l deer hunt with a629 smith 44mag been wanted to tell put something on you table when. You show those beautiful smiths
Great shotting love your videos
Outstanding shooting
Sight radius and barrel qualety makes the most accuracy
Use a beanch too show the revolvers accuracy, this is just what you can do with it
good format thow
I think if you switched grips the 4 inch might shoot better. Worth a try.
It’s in the hands
Use of benchrest otherwise, your test does not mean a single thing.
I do not understand the issue people have with the internal lock. I've got several S&W revolvers. Some have the lock, some don't. I've never had any issue with any of them.
Thanks.
IT's a very hood video
I just use stetson 🤠. I have numbers an a red cross printed under my bill. I flip down my cross lens and it helps me to hit the target and gage distance.🤓🤪🥳🍉🎯
@GunNews&Reviews Yer having a lot of fun in this one :D
Very nice 👍. Enjoyed your video. I wonder if the 38 was actually loaded for a carbine with slower burning powder? Thanks for sharing
Yep that's me striker fire slot. Took my Ruger sec six out. I'm such a wimp
You are going to feel less recoil when shooting in SA than DA. Shoot DA please. Also, like a cap gun or .22? LOL There is muzzle rise. You need to try some Hornady Critical Defense .357 125 gr. Hot stuff! Thx for video.
ty, very good video.
How much of the difference is due to the different grips? I would have been nice to have seen you discuss the difference between the two grips.
Craig Benz Stay tuned. I will be doing a video about revolver grips sometime within the next two weeks. I’m waiting for a new set to arrive for my model 10 and then I plan to address this in detail.
30 feet, 30 yards is a big difference. I'd need a spotting scope at 30 yards.
I also get that blister...and went with the same type of gloves..
David----so in your opinion the 2in make a difference in accuracy. I have 4in barrels on my 620 and 586 but have shot my buddys 6in 686 and Ruger Blackhawk 6in I didn't see much difference in my shooting ,but thats not saying much...lol.....keep up the good work on the videos and enjoy your Christmas and New Year my friend
russ elder the barrel length itself does not make 6 more accurate than the 4 but the extra 2 inches of sight radius sure makes a difference for me. Plus more velocity (ie power) out of the longer barrel. 100-150 feet per second or so
Nice shooting
Awesome video! To be honest fiocchi regular 38 special target loads are not that accurate in all fairness to you. It's not you it is the ammo. I have the same problem with that exact ammo. Shoot the 357 Magnum great but those pud loads from Fiocchi, not so much. They make great ammo in 357 magnum but the 38 special is lacking in my experiance.
A GP100 6' is like shooting a 22. That's the full lug version though.
Yes!!!! Love my 6 inch GP💯
is 6 inch is more accurate and less recoil than 4 inch?
I do enjoy shooting with my revolvers and discovered a while ago that I too, did better with longer barrel lengths.
I traded in my 686 last year, and now I find that that was not a smart thing to have done, so....I'm looking now for another revolver with at least a 6 inch barrel in 38 SPL/357.
I am trying to decide on some other make, but don't know yet what to choose. (shopping is half the fun for me )
Reg Sparkes lots of choices. I’m thinking about a 6” 586 lately.......
There’s a 6” Dan Wesson out there that used to have my name on it, I let it go a few years back and can’t even remember what I had to have so bad that I felt the need to sell it. I remember the Dan Wesson though!
I can't shoot that tight of a grouping even at 15 feet..not with a revolver..
Keep working I was easily that way but a year and a half later with lots of practice I shot a 1" hole at 7 yards with 21 rounds with a 4" Taurus 66 all double action. Unfortunately that gun is back at Taurus for forcing cone failure after about 3600 rounds....
???? Rookie. Revolvers rule at the range or real life
Gotta practice more, my man. Never stop working on your abilities
Nice video thanks for sharing ,
The lock Ive heard called the “Hillary Hole”
Now I understand why barrel length plays a significant role in handgun accuracy. I have shot a smith and wesson governor 3" at 7 yards and did terrible all the shots were high. Missed the silhouette like 12 times. Therefore; I will never own a snubby. Thanks for the input on barrel length.
Dee Jay
I think snubs are last resort guns for very up close and personal fights like that glove gun in the movie inglorious bastards
@@wyattguilliams2621 no doubt. The minimum barrel length I will take is 5" though both my wheel guns are 6" and they're pretty accurate especially my 686.
@@dewell1993 3inch ain't a snub my guy. Dont completely quit on the shorter barrels just because of one bad day.
@@Tread505 you're right I shouldn't underestimate a short barreled revolver. I just haven't practiced with one since I do not own one. Once I move out of New Jersey I'm looking forward to owning a snubby perhaps a Ruger LCR or a Colt Cobra
Weak.
Entertaining. And...good radio voice...lol
When I shoot hot Underwood ammo out of my 6” 686 it’s a virtual flame thrower
Imagine that round out of a 2 inch!
@@Gieszkanne It would be like a buckshot load, the wad is the bullet and the shot is the unburned powder grains.
this is good
Another great video, thank you.
75 feet is no easy shot
Never seen anyone cock a pistol with the left hand...I learned how to do it with a single shot shotgun in about 1960 with my right hand...left hand was on the forearm...of the shotgun...shooting ducks off the pond.
Why you dry firing?
I have a 5” 686. I wish it was a 4”. But it’s great for ground hogs
the question is, does this accuracy do anything under stress?
Of course that is different. But it is different with all guns regardless. Not a related thing.
Nice
Coolness factor goes to the 6"
Nice shooting, especially with the 66. I'm not so sure about the NRA having our back.
Fudmottin I don’t agree with everything they do-but- imagine where we’d be without them
That 586 I would check the cylinder gap on that thing
Mr. Rogers why?
Grow up
Thanks David, great video. I want to replace the S&W Mod. 19 .357 6"
that was stolen from my garage 2 years ago. I am seriously trying to
decide between the 568 4 in. and 586 6 inch. I'm thinking of the extra
weight of the longer barrel when shooting for a couple hours at the
range. I have smaller (and thus a bit weaker) wrists. Is that something
you have thought about or is it a non issue for you or men with smaller
wrists. Thanks.
Sir,
I don’t believe the level of inaccuracy you experienced with your 4” 586 are secondary to barrel length. A longer sight radius makes shooting accurately somewhat easier, but does not make a revolver (or any firearm) inherently more accurate. Try your test off a rest, if the results are similar, it’s not your shooting, it’s the gun.
somebody tell why the the internal lock is so bad on these guns
With the 357 or larger, there has been a few people who had them lock up on their own from recoil vibrating them locked. From an engineering perspective, more parts= more chances to fail, and its another entry point for dirt, derbris etc to get inside the frame, makes it harder to clean, need to clean more often. And if you've ever taken off a side plate or seen a video of a smith & wesson disassembly you'll see its already complex inside, no need to make more small parts crammed into what is like a swiss watch of small parts and springs packed into a small place.
Also, its political, often deemed a hilary hole, since it was a concession to hilary and the democrat protectionist who think a safety on the gun is what makes it safe. Not acknowledging that people often have injuries and death because misuse or misunderstanding of safetys and locks.. ie "thought it was locked or on safe" instead of following safe gun handling rules.. the person is / should he "the safety".. not pointing it at anything they dont wish to shoot, finger off trigger til ready to fire, treat all guns as if they are loaded, and know your target and what is around/beyond it.
Ill call your six and drop my 8 3/8 SW
Is it accurate 3 light pole lengths apart
I have a 4" GP-100, a 6" Smith 586, a 2.5" Smith 19, a 6.5" Ruger Blackhawk, and 2 Smith Model 27s: a 3.5" and a 5" from the late '60s.
(Eat your heart out!) I like them all!!
Modern girls look bitchy.
Modern cars look like electric shavers.
Modern pistols look like squirt-guns.
How far is it accurate
I don't know where or how you learned to shoot a revolver but if I ever pulled the hammer back I would have been kicked off the range and told to leave. It just was not allowed.
Robert Smotherman I don’t know where you learned to shoot a revolver but I’d be real interested in knowing how you shoot a single action revolver without pulling the hammer back lol
What???? That's a weird range rob
That's just plain silly.
I shoot smaller groups than you at 25 yards with my glock 19. If you put those revolvers in a bench rest, they would put all the rounds in the same hole regardless of the barrel length. Same goes for a glock 19 or 17. The mechanical accuracy of modern firearms WAY exceeds what we can do with then standing. The extra barrel length provides a longer sight radius making it easier for YOU to shoot tighter groups but it is not any more mechanically accurate than the 4 inch. You are confusing your shooting skill with the accuracy of the gun.
Oh, another common myth is that snub nose revolvers aren't accurate. They are in fact very mechanically accurate, they are just hard to shoot well so people mistakenly call them inaccurate.
I call bullshit.
I agree,Bullshit. Barrel length has multiple different effects on the slug as it travels down the barrel and length does effect the physics of the ballastic profile of a fired round
God. You must be drunk. You obviously don’t shoot
But, John, the real world is not about a bench rest. In the real world the ability to better aim the gun at the target seems like about the most important part of accuracy.
Double action 🤷🏻♂️
I wonder how well a snubby would do against the 4".
But it's a L frame and K frame, just saying
These are 1" pistols at 10 yards folks
Drunk again?
LMAO with the gloves
WTF? single action over and over.
Why not
May as well run a Vaquero or Blackhawk.
Do yourself a favor buy a glock model 31 in 357sig.
Do yourself a favor, sell the Glock bottom-feeder, buy a S&W 686 4", send it to a smith for a tune job, buy boat loads of 357mag quality ammo, and learn the essence of marksmanship, raw horsepower, and hitting what you point at.
This video is a waste of time. First of all, you're just shooting off hand. The gun's performance could be 100% because of you and not the barrel length. Seeing as you can't hit a huge piece of paper from 25 yards with a 6" revolver, you definitely need a rest to get any kind of results worth studying. Shame to see so much money spent on some nice firearms and can't even hit the target.
5 minute intro? Really? Zzzzzzzzz