A friend of mine who was a deputy during the late 1950's and 60's told me that there was a reason why most law enforcement carried Smith and Wesson, smoother double action, you push cylinder release instead of pull,also he said that the internals were better and more reliable on the Smith.
This reminds me of Ford vs. Chevy vs. Dodge. It's all personal preference and all perform well. Great review! Python is sooooo badass looking. I bought the SW 686 plus 5" with unfluted cylinder. Love it.
What an excellent review of the top three! I’ve got a GP100 that was purchased before the 2020 Python became available. At the time I agonized between it and the 586. It seems now I don’t need the Python but I really want one😁
@@boricuaarecibo9259Yeah, I’m with you on that one. A good S&W L-frame will run circles around the GP100. The action slicks up better, imo, it has better sights from the factory, and it looks sooooo much better than the GP100. Just my opinion. I definitely own more S&Ws than Rugers, but I do like Rugers as well. I have a 150- series security six and a stainless police service six. Those were great guns.
Love that you have the Match Champion. It deserves more attention in the gun world. I have one, also with the adjustable sights. The only mods I made are Altamont's small grips and night sights. The trigger is amazing. It's probably a bad habit but I love the way it stages - I can basically shoot it single action without ever touching the hammer. With the small grips it's easy to conceal carry, too.
When you say you put night sights on did you replace the rear adjustable sight and the front…. Or just the front sight ? I’m looking to get a gp100 or 686. My lgs just got a gp100 for 780 new, it’s the 4.2” with hogue grips and normal front blade. I want the fiber optic front they have on some, hi-Viz has a front sight for $27 but I was wondering if you had replaced the rear as well? Thanks
Very informative yet simple to understand video. Well done!! You can’t go wrong with either can you. What I got out of it was buy two. Ruger to shoot. Colt or smith to collect. Thanks
I’ve also owned all three, and the GP100 is the most reliable. Python loses on price and quality per dollar, I had a barrel clocking issue after 1k ish rounds; 686 lost my trust due to skipping cylinders, I run my revolvers pretty fast and that’s the only gun requires you to get a aftermarket oversized cylinder stop and machined a deeper ramp to resolve the issue. Ruger on other hand, is rough when I first got it, but it’s the cheapest, and I had a bad batch of ammo, some overpressued cartridges, the Ruger took those like a champ.
I definitely agree with your assessment. The GP is one of my very favorite pieces in the safe and all I've done is drop the hammer spring weight by like two pounds. Anyone who can turn a screw can do a spring swap on one of these with almost no chance of breaking the damn thing. Do you know of anyone who does DAO conversions? I'm a little concerned about hammer weight if I just lop the spur off, I think a little bit of a hump welded on shaped like if you chop a Colt DS hammer might be a nice safety net. Two things keep me from giving the Colt a chance: I really don't like their grip curve, and my buddy got the absolute runaround from them with his Cobra that was broken for the better part of a year through various part failures. With the new management, I may factor that a little less, but I'm still wary
A very valid and good point. The internal design of the Ruger is much more simple and you can find replacement parts (trigger, hammer, springs) easily online. Although, the New Python is a lot stronger and simpler design than the original, it is impossible to find any replacement parts. The New Python is still touchy to make it all work and unless you really know what you are doing - DO NOT, DO NOT take it apart and tinker with it. You will fuck it up and have no way (besides send it back Colt...ha,ha,....Good luck!!!) to replace parts or fix it.
I have all three, I like my Match Champion the best. All three are great. It's just a matter of personal preference. The Colt does have the better trigger and all 3 are beautiful examples of USA precision craftsmanship but for some reason I shoot the Match the best by a slight margin. No wrong choice here fellows! Happy fun and range time to all..!!!!
The best gun? The Ruger GP100, the S&W 686 or Colt Python? That's easy. It's the Ruger Security-Six. All these guns are fantastic. But for just plain shooting, I like the 686. The S&W 686 has the best grips, hands down. The Python is narrow where it should be wide and wide where it should be narrow. But it's beautiful. The 686 is easy to shoot. And it's easy on the eyes. But if I'm a hunter, a camper, a hiker, I don't want an underlug barrel. Ounces mean a lot when carrying, and I'll take the Security-Six every time. When I get home and want to shoot, I'll take the Colt. Or the 686. But who wants to carry a gun where there's too much steel? And Ruger screwed the proverbial pooch on that one. --
You are right. I have a good collection of quality revolvers but when it comes to Ruger .357, I prefer the Security Six . My S&W 64-1 .38, out of the box beats all the aforementioned revolvers when it comes to trigger pull.
I highly recommend doing a trigger job on Rugers. Having worked on Redhawks, GP100, SP101, Super Redhawks, they're easy to tune. Polish, shim, lighter springs, skeletonize hammer(if you dare, the hammers are really hard and if you ruin it, it goes back to Ruger, square 1). They can be reliably, consistently be taken to 8lbs in DA. My 357, 6 shot Redhawk sits at 7.8lbs average DA and 3.25lbs SA. Federal primers only in DA, it will fire others, but not 100%. Redhawks are the most finnicky with ignition.
The single Action option is NOT pointless! It's helpful with those long accurate shots. Now You might "Perfer" not use this function & that's fine. But Single Action is not pointless. Jus saying. Nice video though 👌🏻
I've used all three. The Ruger is probably the sturdiest. For a long time, I was not impressed with the groups from the GP-100, though I love Rugers, BUT, when I was handed a box of heavier, 158-grain rounds, instead of the 125's and 140-grain hand-loads, that I'd usually run, SHAZAM! Instant group-improvement, so you might want to give THAT a try, on your Ruger. I had to "stand-corrected," about the GP-100, once I started feeding it the kind of ammo that it "liked." I like the Python, overall, the best, but the 686 would hold-up, better, I suspect, and it has a lighter trigger-pull, but the Python's trigger is perfectly-capable of running smoothly, double-action. By far, MOST of the thousands of rounds I've run through a Python WERE double action. That said, I watched a brand-new 686 in the hands of someone who'd never used it, before, with a 4" barrel, exhibiting almost supernaturally-ridiculous accuracy. Once a New Mexico State Police Armorer worked it-over, it just got even-better. Off of the subject, of L-Frame-sized Smith's, I got to run a Lipsey's special short-barreled Model 29, which MUST have been slicked-up, right-FROM the factory, making it RIDICULOUSLY-slick, so I'm not surprised that people get good results from sending their revolvers to S&W's Custom Shop, though a competent gunsmith could probably optimize the smoothness. DO NOT lighten the springs, since A.) it's not needed, for-smoothness, and B.) you don't want light primer-strikes, which turn a revolver into a paperweight, or a doorstop. Not-okay. The OTHER thing is, just like any other form of "weight-training," even a LITTLE BIT of extra hand-exercise, for people who have a problem running their handguns will pay-off remarkably-soon, and I do NOT mean some arduous, super-heavy "workout," but just a little extra EFFORT. On the NEW Python, you may want to swap-out the stock rear sight (which LOOKS great), but has a problem due-to drifting zero, which I NEVER experienced, with the original Pythons' Elliason rear sights. Wilson Combat makes multiple kinds of aftermarket rear sights, for the NEW Python (or usable in their new Anaconda .44 Magnum, too) which ARE good, but Wilson Combat was OUT of them, in early July of '23, but Optics Planet had SOME in inventory. I suspect that Wilson does little batches of these sights, and just needs to do another run of them. Optics Planet was NOT "gouging" on their pricing of these hard-to-find sights, so THAT'S good. Wilson has a idiot-proof "How-to" TH-cam video, on how to-do the installation. The sights are made of Chromoly Steel with a black oxide finish, and I think that the slot makes it easier to acquire a sight picture, but your mileage may vary. Who ever heard of not knowing that you need to CLEAN a revolver? People who do high round-counts need to be pausing to scrub-out the cylinder. A .35 Caliber rifle brush screwed-into a green handle, though NOT usable on the barrel works GREAT, for scouring-out chambers, and a GI cleaning brush should ride-along with you, in your range bag, or your ruck. People you talk about how much more "reliable" revolvers are, compared to semi autos, must not have fired enough of EITHER. I've run-across hiccups in BOTH kinds of handguns. The only hopelessly pathetic example other things like a revolver with a broken pawl, the little gizmo that advances the cylinder, were the 1911's from Thompson. I'd literally grown-UP running various 1911's, and I've never seen so much trouble, with a 1911. The ONLY upside was you could certainly train someone in immediate action drills, to clear each jam, so that they could move right-on, to their very-NEXT jam! Appalling. Talk-about a DOORSTOP!
The Ruger really will hold up the best in the long run. Out of the box Ruger sucks compared to the other two. Once broken in the Ruger is simply a superior revolver due to it's lock-up and ability to stay timed. Also coil mainsprings are not prone to breakage. And, Ruger's one piece frame without any screws is a no brainer. Kinda like me! However I've killed two Smiths and a Taurus! My GP100'S, Redhawks and super Blackhawks can take it. Year after year! This ain't no Ford vs Chevy vs Dodge thing. Rugers really are a hell of a lot tougher!
Kudos for an objective comparison and for a clear and concise explanation of all the caveats. I've had a couple of 686s in years past, and despite the bashing the newer Smiths get, the recent 686s I have handled had far superior trigger qualities than my -2 and -3 did, but if I were spending the coin on a revolver out of the box now, it would be a Python or an Anaconda or one of the variants. But I have generally gravitated towards autos, because as you also pointed out, they are generally more robust, and I have found that even the factories are hit or miss on being able to service their own revolvers.
At 2:26-2:28, there occurs a concept of opposing forces when you check the trigger pull. You are pulling on the gage as it is attached TO the trigger with your left hand WHILE you push on the frame with your rough hand. A more accurate, and therefore better, method is to place the firearm in a vice to remove the human element imparted by a hand that would ordinary hold it and then just use one hand to test the trigger pull. Afterall when actually shooting a firearm, the support hand doesn’t push forward on the frame while the shooting hand pulls on the trigger. Realistically, the shooting hand pushes on the grip and the support hand pulls on the frame; effectively mimicking the functionality of a vice. The shooting finger actually SQUEEZES the trigger.
The forces aren't opposing though. If I push forward on the frame, the trigger pull gauge still measures the pressure exerted on the trigger the same as it would if I was pulling back on the trigger pull gauge.
@@Gunday_Brunch WHEN you push forward ON the frame, you still NEED to hold on to the case of the pull gage. Otherwise the action of you pushing on the frame would pull the entirety of the pull gage (case AND hook).☺️ By HOLDING on to the case of the pull gage, you the create opposing forces which MAY, invariably, render the reading on the pull gage somewhat inaccurate. Try placing the handgun frame on a bench vice to eliminate one aspect of the human element that YOU impart on this measurement.
Great video! Glad I watched it. I'm a S&W K-frame guy, owning a '76 6" Model 19 and mid-80s 2.5" Model 66. I was going to buy a new 4" 686 L-frame but instead bought the 4.25" Python last week. It was so awesome I just couldn't walk away. Dry firing, I prefer the S&W triggers but they've had decades to wear into silky smooth pull. I'm glad to hear your Python improved after 2k rounds. The old revolvers are still in excellent shape because ~95% of the ammo fired was 38 Special but the Python will get more 357 than they did. Now that two years have passed I expect the Python has picked up a point or two in your ratings because aftermarket holsters and sights (Wilson Combat) are now available. It's nice that Colt is back again thanks to CZ.
WWHHOOOO HHOOO, for the what I collect, the first years of Ruger double action wheel guns through the 3 calibers offered in the Alaskan. nice , fair video young man
Single action fire is not pointless, most people can more accurately fire a revolver in with the hammer cocked better then double action pull. I like a lot of the other points you're making, but there is absolutely a reason for single action it's much easier to make accurate shots in single what's a light crisp trigger, for most shooters, than in double action, and that's just a objective truth, factual reality.
You're right that it's easier. It's a skill issue, so instead of relying on the crutch of single action, people should train harder so they don't need it
Wow his response killed some of my brain cells. People have ceilings on natural ability, available time, money, dedication, and interest. Maybe, just maybe single action has never gone away for a reason?
Yeah, it’s never gone away because people are lazy and getting good at double action requires dedication and skill. You’re right that people have ceilings, but those are entirely self-created in this case. But hey, if people are comfortable with a mediocre level of skill and prefer to rely on a crutch, that’s their choice.
I had a sp101 and tbh I didn't really care for and just traded it for a 686 plus. The smith's just seems to be much more smoother to me. I haven't had much experience with colts.
Ruger makes a great revolver that always seems to out produce S&W and Colt in terms of muzzle velocity and energy in any given load. With an accuracy second to none. I find the GP100 6" with a full under lug to be the sexiest iteration!
Listening to you comment on " working" on the revolvers brought back memories of a law enforcement shooting match at Nellis AFB 1975-76 Las Vegas. Most shooters were using heavily modified Smiths. We called them " space guns". Had a Yosemite Park shooting team shoot their S&W model 10, no sights, six inch barrels.
The Ruger is MUCH better if you're a reloader. plus the trigger smoothes out after a few hundred dry fires, plus its cheaper in price. Warranties are the same. River is a better value and will last longer.
I've owned and carried all 3. You really cant go wrong with any of them. For me the Python is probably the most difficult to master the trigger after living with S&W and Ruger triggers. I prefer the GP100 for combat use. The S&W and Colt are up to that task as well but they feel more range princess than warrior. The GP manufacturing is a little crude compared to Smith and Colt but once the action has been smoothed up it's an absolute beast.
For my hands, I've found that a solid high grip has reduced muzzle twitch on my 6" Python. I've modified my 2022 with Deer Hollow grips, a Wilson Combat gold bead blade with the rear sight on it's way. I've got over two grand in the gun and I'm a happy owner. The trigger is iron grade butter IMHO.
@justusbryant7366 Tell that to general Paton, i mean, he's dead but still lol. Handguns in general aren't a primary "combat" weapon but men badder and tougher than any today carried revolvers and they were definitely used in "combat". They arguably relied on them more than we do our handguns today.
@@Gunday_Brunch OR, you can just have both and people can use them however they like and shoot more accurately with a single action trigger pull? If you want to shoot fast with a shitty and heavy trigger you can always buy a DAO auto-loader and you get the positive of having more ammo AND no friends. Double action is inferior accuracy-wise, just useful for fast follow up shots on a revolver or restriking a primer. You pick which is more important to you.
@@Gunday_Brunch Being able to shoot as well in double action as single action is a good goal but not everybody has reached that goal. Single action capacity allows people to shoot reasonably accurately while still learning. Remember some might call using lighter springs a crutch for those who need to spend more time at the gym.
Good comprehensive review. I use a new model Colt Python as my EDC. The aftermarket support situation has improved since this video was made. My Python has Wilson Combat sights (the front sight is a fiber optic). I currently have six holsters for it. I use HKS speedloaders. I don’t anticipate needing anything else from the aftermarket for it.
You give the S&W a better grade than for the Ruger for trigger pull out of the box, but you say that for S&W it is 15 pounds while being 14 for the ruger. So, shouldn’t the notes be the other way round?
Agreed. That just shows the reliability of this guy vidéo and judgment. He does not even check what he says before releasing the video. As to me, I own both a Python and a Ruger gp100. Out of the box, the trigger on the Python is indeed much better than that of the the Ruger, but my Ruger was showing a average 12.7 pounds DA trigger pull after about 500 rounds, which can be considered for me, as its true trigger pull. In addition, I disagree on saying that the single action feature does not make sense. That’s just your personal view. This is however a quite good comparison video.
So I've completely taken apart and worked on a fair amount of smith and wesson revolvers (specifically older Pinned and recessed K-Frames) and I never once had to use a special tool for the rebound slide/rebound spring, I just used a polymer flat punch and my first ever time was with a Phillips head screw driver. It's a little bit annoying to get it back in place under spring tension and lined up with the trigger, but not all that hard. Did they change something with newer Smiths so that you need to use in some fashion now?
Oh, man! Is the Colt VS Smith & Wesson debate reborn? I must find a way to try out that new Colt! I know you're not a fan of single action shooting but which would be best for bullseye?
I would give the Colt a 2/10 on the internals. Theres so many moving parts inside which is why you get a smoother pull but removing parts and putting them back is a pain in the ass.
Great video liked it. My opinion differes from yours in that, the single action on these revolvers is far from useless. I have a well broken in 6" GP100 with a 2.2 pound single action trigger pull. I however shoot Buffalo Bore 180 grain hard cast and a hand load that equals that Buffalo Bore load. I also like the Grizzly 200 grain loads. All of these loads develop 800 ft lb or more muzzle energy out of my 6-in Ruger. They kick a bit more like my 44 magnums. For 357 magnums at that level of performance a good single action trigger pull is essential. The frame locking Ruger is definitely the best choice for regular use of full potential 357 magnum rounds.
@@9unslin9er Have you considered sucking less? For example, one of the most accuracy dependent shooting matches, the bianchi cup, Every shot, even out to 50 yards, is fired DA.
@@Kylef7735You can use double action and make well placed shots for sure, even with heavy recoil. You said "single action was useless" That's not the case. I'll go out on a limb and speak for the majority of revolver people and say, your best groups are achieved using single action. A revolver hunter probably will their shot in single action as well. Especially the first shot. Facing some angry animal charging you'll probably instinctively use double action. But then again not always.
The sheer number of comments white knighting the SA trigger because they clearly refuse to do better is pretty telling. De-spur! all the defensive hammer guns!
Another great video brother. It is now 2022 I am hoping the aftermarket is building for the colt. I’m really leaning toward buying one as I just can’t buy another S&W with a Hilary Hole. In switching to colt and Ruger for that reason.
I own all three but can't compare apples to apples because the first two are stock and my Python has been heavily modified. It had received a bull barrel, bobbed hammer, and trigger job already when I bought it in the eighties. I would guess the exquisite trigger is about 4 lbs and it is the most accurate revolver I have ever touched. I handloaded my own ammo to make it even better. I shot USPSA with it for 2 years and outshot many Smiths even with the minor scoring (38spl vs 45 acp) and slower reloads. (I used Safariland speedloaders, Smiths use full moon clips). Of the other two I like the trigger on the Ruger Match Champion better.
I have Pythons, but they are original 1960's vintage. That have the smoothest action of any wheel gun I've fired. Yes I'm one of those guys that doesn't want to shoot them anymore so I bought a GP100 target. It doesn't compare to the colts as far as a smooth trigger pull, but it is just as accurate, has 7 rounds, and built like a tank. You can shoot it all day and not miss a beat. Never had a misfire. Plus, If you run out of ammo the Ruger is just as deadly as a club.🤣
In my humble nobody opinion, from many years of owning and shooting revolvers, the Smith and Wesson model 15, combat masterpiece, is the finest revolver I ever fired.
That’s a good choice. One thing I like about the combat masterpiece is the lighter profiled barrel. I’ve always been a combat magnum guy, but the old combat masterpiece feels just about perfect for the k-frame. It’s lighter than the combat magnums, and balanced just right with that lighter barrel and lack of underlug.
@@leifhoklin2681 It will take plus P rounds no problem also, I personally think 38 special is an excellent round for self-defense, especially when it comes to over penetration which a 357 will give you .
@@georgehorner1578 .38 special is a fine cartridge. I’ll have to part ways with you about the point of over penetration. That depends upon the bullet design and velocity. Yes, a 158 grain soft point from a .357 magnum will absolutely over-penetrate. However, a modern 125 grain jhp likely won’t. The same holds true for .38 special. If you’re stoking your M15 with full power 158gr LSWCs, you’re asking for over-penetration. If you instead use a plus P 125gr jhp, you’ll likely get the expansion needed to prevent over-penetration. Personally, I really like Underwood’s 158 gr SWCHP +P load for .38 special. It’s pretty hot, but it gives enough velocity from my snubbies to guarantee expansion.
@@leifhoklin2681 I remember reading some articles way back about how for law enforcement, the 357 mag in a situation where there are a lot of people around was a problem as far as over penetration verses the 38, which can even over penetrate but not like the freight train 357 .
@@georgehorner1578 You’re right, but that was way back. Bullet technology has come a long, long way. You have to remember that when the .357 magnum first became popular with law enforcement, the 158 grain semi-jacketed soft point was the most popular bullet. The 125 grain, jacket hollow point came on the scene in the 1980s and solved the issue of over-penetration.
My New Colt Python has a really nice double action pull, but the single action pull is close to 6lbs. Sent it off to TJ's Custom to have a trigger job - so much for out of the box.
First off I've owned the revolvers you have featured and multiple examples of each, in the case of the Ruger both 357 Magnum and 44 Special. Back in the late 70's and early 80's I owned 2 Colt Pythons. Why you ask ? Both had great triggers and beautiful blueing but otherwise a revolver that drags or stop's up after a couple hundred rounds is worthless. My first Python was a complete POS, there I said it and that one came out of the custom shop. I traded it in and bought another, different gun, same story only that one had timing and forcing cone problems. I was done, I give the Python a big zero, I bought a Colt Trooper Mk lll after that and it was twice the revolver the Python was and I still have it but it's a big chunk. I wanted a carry piece so I picked up a Ruger Speed 6 used. What an awesome weapon, just ate up anything I put through it, never had to clean it and it was accurate with a great trigger. It was so awesome it led to the purchase of my two other GP100's. If you haven't guessed I'm a Ruger fan, I've got a bunch from SP101's to a SRH in 454. As for the Smith's, hard to beat. I've had and still have J frames, K's and L's in 357 and a 629 Classic. I just can't shake loose from them, only drawback is they are not as strong as the Rugers. I retired my M19, I did see a forcing cone crack and recessed firing pin bushings in others, it only gets fed reduced 357 and 38 Specials now but it has a very sweet trigger. I CCW my 642 all the time in my pocket, it just disappears and the 6" 686 is one of my most accurate revolvers. Except for the Python they are all great guns, my favorite has to be the Ruger GP100 in 44 Special followed by my 7 shot, 3" 357. Both have fantastic triggers, are very easy to work on with the removable trigger groups and the 44 is my most accurate revolver with the 357 and 686 tied in second place. IMHO honorable mention has to go to my 3" Taurus 685 Defender. A J Frame sized 6 shooter after 100 rounds it slicked right up, rated for as much +P ammo as you can feed it, it came with 2 sets of grips, a fiber optic front sight with a Tritium insert and at half the price of the Smith or Ruger. Something to consider especially for a first time buyer or for a nightstand gun. Anyone can shoot it.
Love the video, I love the fact you checked the cylinder each time you picked up the weapon. Great weapons handling. Great job and I have each of these in six inch. All great wheel guns.
why would you love that he checked the cylinder every time? u think a bullet gonna sneak its way in there after the first time he checked? You can get in the habit of checking the cylinder each time u play with a gun and if you don't have dementia, you'll remember if bullets were in it
@@tyborg314 It's just a good practice, to the point of reflexive "muscle memory." Each time he puts a pistol down to handle another, the other two are behind him out of sight, and if someone else was in the room there'd be the opportunity for mishap. Even though he's obviously alone, it's just good practice to always have the same safe routine when picking up a weapon instead of sometimes checking, sometimes not.
I’m wanting to get my first center fire revolver In 357 to add to my collection. Im wanting a 4-5 inch barrel. I will only be target shooting for fun. Not competition. I have a lever gun in 357 and now that I’m loading for it I want to get a revolver. What would you recommend?
I have been told by Cylinder and Slide that a Ruger GP 100 with mods will have just as nice a trigger as a modified Smith 686. I would love to have the Python but for the price, the Ruger could have as nice or a nicer trigger.
That's a tough question to answer objectively. I obviously really like Ruger revolvers, I currently own 6 GP100s and if you count the ones I sold I've owned at least 10. The GP100 when it's tuned like this is a lovely thing to shoot, but it's also a little picky about primers, whereas the factory Colt smashed every primer I put under the hammer. Before the ammo crisis when I could cherry pick what I shot, I would have said the GP100 all day every day. But now? I'd still probably go with the GP100, but the Colt is a lot closer now.
I did some minor upgrades to my Ruger model 1715 (3 inch) Put on the original compact grips, hammer shims, hammer dog shims, slicked up and stoned a few parts, left the springs alone. It’s my favorite firearm. I love how I can stage the DA trigger pull. I HATE the Hogue monogrip Ruger decided to put on it.......looks horrible and that huge blackstrap bump simply makes the gun shoot crappy....for me. Old school compact grips for the 3 inch GP. Got some new Chig inserts coming too!
Great video. I was wondering if you still feel the same about the Python 2 years later? Also, if one were considering a revolver for casual competition shooting, do you think the Python with speed loaders is a viable option? I know it will never be as fast as a 686 or GP100 with moon clips, but nobody does moon clips for the Colts.
New sub here. Question please,why do you say the single action option is pointless? Is it due to time required to cock it? If so, then why have sights? Will you have time to acquire them?
Is that smith a 6 or 7 shot? Also.. what grip do you have on that? Is that the 3”? Do you CCW the smith? If so, what aiwb holsters do you recommend? So for all the questions, just not too familiar with smith, always have been a ruger man, but you have me heavily intrigued!!! 😀
@@Gunday_Brunch Thanks for the info. Appreciate it. If you had to choose between the 3” 686 plus and the 3” gp100 what would you say? Is either easier to ccw? I have a 4” gp100 but want a 3” for carry and just cant decide between the two.. 😕
Very informative. Can you explain why the single action function is "pointless"? Would not it be useful to target practice? And sight adjustment? Thanks.
Caleb here - I'll admit that calling it pointless is a bit of hyperbole, but frankly I don't use single action on my revolvers. If I'm zeroing the sights I want to zero them using the "real world" trigger pull which is double action. And for target practice, same thing, I want to shoot targets the same way I'd shoot a match or a person
@@Gunday_Brunch What kind of match? If I am doing silhouette, I am using single action. If it is steel challenge it's double action. I practice with both. Seems like you are pushing a false dilemma.
It's not entirely pointless. It's his opinion that he's pushing as an absolute fact and is very misinformation to those who may be less knowledgeable. Just because something may not be preferred by one does not mean it is pointless for all. And zeroing with single action makes far more sense than with double action as you're setting the point of impact of the round, not practicing your trigger control which has more likelyhood of being more inconsistent by a double action pull. We live in a day where people hear something that a TH-camr they like or an instructor says and they adopt the belief and regurgitate the information mindlessly. What he should have said was the "single action single action is entirely pointless to me specifically". But the confidence and conviction in the way he says it will help others who are less knowledgeable to mindlessly believe this as fact. You are correct in thinking for yourself and questioning others. Single action may not be preferred in most defensive situations compared to double action, as double action will be likely faster to fire for most. But there are times when using the single action function may be beneficial.
Just saw this review. When I checked the prices for the three guns in 4” barrel, the Colt Python is 50% more than the S&W 686 or Ruger GP100. At this time, the Colt King Cobra is closer in price to the Ruger GP100 and S&W 686. Wouldn’t the Colt King Cobra be a better comparison? For full disclosure, I pick up my S&W 686 Plus 357 4“ barrel tomorrow!
Why do you say single action shooting a double action revolver is totally pointless? Some of my most memorable shots of any gun have been from single action 6" 357 magnum revolvers in single action mode. My friend was trying to hit a padlock like the old commercial at distance with an AR-15, but kept missing. I dropped to one knee and hit it dead center with my first try from my old Colt King Cobra, single action. Another time we were shooting empty cans on cinder block, when I saw that two cans were 3" apart. I told my friend to watch this shot, aimed to nick the cinder block directly in between the cans and knocked both cans clean off with a trick shot and no visible cinder block dust up with a GP100, single action. I could not have pulled these shots off in double action mode. Why do you want to deny me memories like that?
He thinks it's pointless because he's never uses it. Because he's shoots matches and wants to train as he was shooting somebody. Pretty bold statement to say single action is pointless. Maybe it's pointless to 'him'. If I was hunting with my vintage 6 inch colt python, and a coyote came strolling in down the deer trail, I sure as shit wouldn't be trying to shoot it in DA. Maybe this guy would try and would smoke the coyote in the guts when he could of just pulled the hammer back and gave the coyote a clean shot to the lungs or heart.
It would be unfair for me to bash the other ones since i don't own them and would be speaking out of ignorance...but I will say this much....I own the 686+ on both..2.5" and 4" and man o man...I can't sew anything beating them....they r perfect In my eyes.
Very good rating categories as closer to real world use and maintenance for those that at least like to "tinker." Liked the sequence and flow of the conversation around each firearm and as compared to one another. Found this video as sometimes I wonder if in buying my S&W Performance Center 2.5" 686, I should have bought a GP 100 instead. The L frame just seems to demand a 4" barrel and maybe should have gone that way as have had some familiarity with the old 581. An L frame snubbie like the PC 686 handles magnums great, however just seems fairly large for carry (7 shot) and not as balanced as the 4" versions. Maybe I need to examine the new Colts as bought a fourth series 90s Colt DS after all the S&Ws and even Rugers and really like it. Even been looking at pre MKIII original Colt .357 Trooper. Something about the size and feel. Nice video. Thanks, sir.
You should see Jerry Miculek take the rebound springs on and off…………w a Bic Ink Pen! I cussed him. He laughs as he does it. He says 686. Me too, I have a PC edition. 4” rib barrel. Single action like none other, a legend. Has a stop bolt trigger. Non fluted Cyl. All hand tuned.
I held off commenting until you stated how good the trigger is on the Colt. The new Colt trigger is a new dedign compared to the Smith's trigger design. Don't know much about Ruger. Taurus...almost same same as Smith.
Owned all 3 at one time. Gp100 is crude but functional, 686 is a fine revolver but isn't as refined as it could be, python is fantastic, it's fit and finish is great and is super accurate. Not a fair comparison...price in manufacturing makes this unfair. Rhe smallest price difference is 600 bucks.
Python owners well the vintage Python owners aren’t weirdos. We just don’t want to mess up something that you can’t get fixed. And because we don’t want to shoot something that’s beautiful to look at and cost A LOT of money. As for the new Colt Pythons I’m going to get one just to run like a scalded dog.
A friend of mine who was a deputy during the late 1950's and 60's told me that there was a reason why most law enforcement carried Smith and Wesson, smoother double action, you push cylinder release instead of pull,also he said that the internals were better and more reliable on the Smith.
Im told the Ruger GP100 is the preferred revolver of renowned firearms expert Paul Harrell.
Is it tho?
lmfaooooo
He's what you might call, a Professional
I had all 3. got rid of the S&W due to trigger lock issues. The colt had issues with quick firing. The GP100 is still here.
@Freddy Ruger your literally going through every comment. How pathetic 😂
This reminds me of Ford vs. Chevy vs. Dodge. It's all personal preference and all perform well. Great review! Python is sooooo badass looking. I bought the SW 686 plus 5" with unfluted cylinder. Love it.
F.O.R.D. Fix Or Repair Daily
I regret my Ford Focus...
@@june4135 Fastest On Racing Day -lol
@@june4135 Fords are like tampons....every b*#ch has one...lmao jk jk...I love them all....jst being a jerk
I rather push my Chevy than drive a Ford...and make no mistake about it. U will be pushing it. Lmao
A Pre-Lock S&W 686 is a great way to go if you can.
What an excellent review of the top three! I’ve got a GP100 that was purchased before the 2020 Python became available. At the time I agonized between it and the 586. It seems now I don’t need the Python but I really want one😁
Love my 586 so much so I have a 686 plus and a 629 deluxe
@@boricuaarecibo9259Yeah, I’m with you on that one. A good S&W L-frame will run circles around the GP100. The action slicks up better, imo, it has better sights from the factory, and it looks sooooo much better than the GP100. Just my opinion. I definitely own more S&Ws than Rugers, but I do like Rugers as well. I have a 150- series security six and a stainless police service six. Those were great guns.
Ruger GP 100 Accurate Tough Reliable end of really.👍
Love that you have the Match Champion. It deserves more attention in the gun world. I have one, also with the adjustable sights. The only mods I made are Altamont's small grips and night sights. The trigger is amazing. It's probably a bad habit but I love the way it stages - I can basically shoot it single action without ever touching the hammer. With the small grips it's easy to conceal carry, too.
When you say you put night sights on did you replace the rear adjustable sight and the front…. Or just the front sight ? I’m looking to get a gp100 or 686. My lgs just got a gp100 for 780 new, it’s the 4.2” with hogue grips and normal front blade. I want the fiber optic front they have on some, hi-Viz has a front sight for $27 but I was wondering if you had replaced the rear as well? Thanks
@@nickboutin857 I did both. I quite like the rear sight, it's the Meprolight # ML20996R.S
Very informative yet simple to understand video. Well done!! You can’t go wrong with either can you. What I got out of it was buy two. Ruger to shoot. Colt or smith to collect. Thanks
My GP100 has a great trigger. NO grit. straight from the factory. I like it much better than my old Mod 19#2.
I’ve also owned all three, and the GP100 is the most reliable. Python loses on price and quality per dollar, I had a barrel clocking issue after 1k ish rounds; 686 lost my trust due to skipping cylinders, I run my revolvers pretty fast and that’s the only gun requires you to get a aftermarket oversized cylinder stop and machined a deeper ramp to resolve the issue. Ruger on other hand, is rough when I first got it, but it’s the cheapest, and I had a bad batch of ammo, some overpressued cartridges, the Ruger took those like a champ.
I haven’t had a single solitary issue with mine…
I agree 100% with your post. 100%!
When you say you had a barrel clocking issue, is that the same as videos I’ve seen that say the python can go out of timing? What exactly is that?
I definitely agree with your assessment. The GP is one of my very favorite pieces in the safe and all I've done is drop the hammer spring weight by like two pounds. Anyone who can turn a screw can do a spring swap on one of these with almost no chance of breaking the damn thing. Do you know of anyone who does DAO conversions? I'm a little concerned about hammer weight if I just lop the spur off, I think a little bit of a hump welded on shaped like if you chop a Colt DS hammer might be a nice safety net.
Two things keep me from giving the Colt a chance: I really don't like their grip curve, and my buddy got the absolute runaround from them with his Cobra that was broken for the better part of a year through various part failures. With the new management, I may factor that a little less, but I'm still wary
A very valid and good point. The internal design of the Ruger is much more simple and you can find replacement parts (trigger, hammer, springs) easily online. Although, the New Python is a lot stronger and simpler design than the original, it is impossible to find any replacement parts. The New Python is still touchy to make it all work and unless you really know what you are doing - DO NOT, DO NOT take it apart and tinker with it. You will fuck it up and have no way (besides send it back Colt...ha,ha,....Good luck!!!) to replace parts or fix it.
I have all three, I like my Match Champion the best. All three are great. It's just a matter of personal preference. The Colt does have the better trigger and all 3 are beautiful examples of USA
precision craftsmanship but for some reason I shoot the Match the best by a slight margin. No wrong choice here fellows! Happy fun and range time to all..!!!!
I have all three also. I agree with you 100%
CZ purchased Colt, so they are no longer an American owned company!
The best gun? The Ruger GP100, the S&W 686 or Colt Python? That's easy. It's the Ruger Security-Six. All these guns are fantastic. But for just plain shooting, I like the 686. The S&W 686 has the best grips, hands down.
The Python is narrow where it should be wide and wide where it should be narrow. But it's beautiful. The 686 is easy to shoot. And it's easy on the eyes. But if I'm a hunter, a camper, a hiker, I don't want an underlug barrel. Ounces mean a lot when carrying, and I'll take the Security-Six every time.
When I get home and want to shoot, I'll take the Colt. Or the 686. But who wants to carry a gun where there's too much steel? And Ruger screwed the proverbial pooch on that one.
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You are right. I have a good collection of quality revolvers but when it comes to Ruger .357, I prefer the Security Six . My S&W 64-1 .38, out of the box beats all the aforementioned revolvers when it comes to trigger pull.
This video is exactly what I wanted to know. Thank you very much.
I highly recommend doing a trigger job on Rugers. Having worked on Redhawks, GP100, SP101, Super Redhawks, they're easy to tune. Polish, shim, lighter springs, skeletonize hammer(if you dare, the hammers are really hard and if you ruin it, it goes back to Ruger, square 1). They can be reliably, consistently be taken to 8lbs in DA.
My 357, 6 shot Redhawk sits at 7.8lbs average DA and 3.25lbs SA. Federal primers only in DA, it will fire others, but not 100%. Redhawks are the most finnicky with ignition.
The single Action option is NOT pointless! It's helpful with those long accurate shots. Now You might "Perfer" not use this function & that's fine. But Single Action is not pointless. Jus saying. Nice video though 👌🏻
When he said that I actually laughed out loud... yeah... no. You are correct.
When he said that single action was pointless I knew he was a fool
Agreed, I thought the comment itself was pointless 😅
Single action is pointless in a defensive situation. You're never going to have time to cock the hammer back
@@waholoopesorry74wrong. Single action in a gunfight can be used while behind cover for shots needing better accuracy.
Frequently Smith and Wesson have timing problems,rugers never do
Thankfully, Colt Python aftermarket accessories are starting to pop up. I just picked up a nice holster, speedloader, and Wilson sights.
My GP100 has outlasted 2 S+W revolvers. It still locks up tight and eats anything. For the money you cant beat it.
Great video🤙🏾
I've used all three. The Ruger is probably the sturdiest. For a long time, I was not impressed with the groups from the GP-100, though I love Rugers, BUT, when I was handed a box of heavier, 158-grain rounds, instead of the 125's and 140-grain hand-loads, that I'd usually run, SHAZAM! Instant group-improvement, so you might want to give THAT a try, on your Ruger. I had to "stand-corrected," about the GP-100, once I started feeding it the kind of ammo that it "liked."
I like the Python, overall, the best, but the 686 would hold-up, better, I suspect, and it has a lighter trigger-pull, but the Python's trigger is perfectly-capable of running smoothly, double-action. By far, MOST of the thousands of rounds I've run through a Python WERE double action. That said, I watched a brand-new 686 in the hands of someone who'd never used it, before, with a 4" barrel, exhibiting almost supernaturally-ridiculous accuracy. Once a New Mexico State Police Armorer worked it-over, it just got even-better.
Off of the subject, of L-Frame-sized Smith's, I got to run a Lipsey's special short-barreled Model 29, which MUST have been slicked-up, right-FROM the factory, making it RIDICULOUSLY-slick, so I'm not surprised that people get good results from sending their revolvers to S&W's Custom Shop, though a competent gunsmith could probably optimize the smoothness. DO NOT lighten the springs, since A.) it's not needed, for-smoothness, and B.) you don't want light primer-strikes, which turn a revolver into a paperweight, or a doorstop. Not-okay. The OTHER thing is, just like any other form of "weight-training," even a LITTLE BIT of extra hand-exercise, for people who have a problem running their handguns will pay-off remarkably-soon, and I do NOT mean some arduous, super-heavy "workout," but just a little extra EFFORT.
On the NEW Python, you may want to swap-out the stock rear sight (which LOOKS great), but has a problem due-to drifting zero, which I NEVER experienced, with the original Pythons' Elliason rear sights.
Wilson Combat makes multiple kinds of aftermarket rear sights, for the NEW Python (or usable in their new Anaconda .44 Magnum, too) which ARE good, but Wilson Combat was OUT of them, in early July of '23, but Optics Planet had SOME in inventory.
I suspect that Wilson does little batches of these sights, and just needs to do another run of them. Optics Planet was NOT "gouging" on their pricing of these hard-to-find sights, so THAT'S good. Wilson has a idiot-proof "How-to" TH-cam video, on how to-do the installation. The sights are made of Chromoly Steel with a black oxide finish, and I think that the slot makes it easier to acquire a sight picture, but your mileage may vary.
Who ever heard of not knowing that you need to CLEAN a revolver? People who do high round-counts need to be pausing to scrub-out the cylinder. A .35 Caliber rifle brush screwed-into a green handle, though NOT usable on the barrel works GREAT, for scouring-out chambers, and a GI cleaning brush should ride-along with you, in your range bag, or your ruck. People you talk about how much more "reliable" revolvers are, compared to semi autos, must not have fired enough of EITHER. I've run-across hiccups in BOTH kinds of handguns. The only hopelessly pathetic example other things like a revolver with a broken pawl, the little gizmo that advances the cylinder, were the 1911's from Thompson. I'd literally grown-UP running various 1911's, and I've never seen so much trouble, with a 1911. The ONLY upside was you could certainly train someone in immediate action drills, to clear each jam, so that they could move right-on, to their very-NEXT jam! Appalling. Talk-about a DOORSTOP!
The Ruger really will hold up the best in the long run. Out of the box Ruger sucks compared to the other two. Once broken in the Ruger is simply a superior revolver due to it's lock-up and ability to stay timed. Also coil mainsprings are not prone to breakage. And, Ruger's one piece frame without any screws is a no brainer. Kinda like me! However I've killed two Smiths and a Taurus! My GP100'S, Redhawks and super Blackhawks can take it. Year after year! This ain't no Ford vs Chevy vs Dodge thing. Rugers really are a hell of a lot tougher!
Kudos for an objective comparison and for a clear and concise explanation of all the caveats. I've had a couple of 686s in years past, and despite the bashing the newer Smiths get, the recent 686s I have handled had far superior trigger qualities than my -2 and -3 did, but if I were spending the coin on a revolver out of the box now, it would be a Python or an Anaconda or one of the variants. But I have generally gravitated towards autos, because as you also pointed out, they are generally more robust, and I have found that even the factories are hit or miss on being able to service their own revolvers.
At 2:26-2:28, there occurs a concept of opposing forces when you check the trigger pull. You are pulling on the gage as it is attached TO the trigger with your left hand WHILE you push on the frame with your rough hand.
A more accurate, and therefore better, method is to place the firearm in a vice to remove the human element imparted by a hand that would ordinary hold it and then just use one hand to test the trigger pull.
Afterall when actually shooting a firearm, the support hand doesn’t push forward on the frame while the shooting hand pulls on the trigger.
Realistically, the shooting hand pushes on the grip and the support hand pulls on the frame; effectively mimicking the functionality of a vice. The shooting finger actually SQUEEZES the trigger.
The forces aren't opposing though. If I push forward on the frame, the trigger pull gauge still measures the pressure exerted on the trigger the same as it would if I was pulling back on the trigger pull gauge.
@@Gunday_Brunch
WHEN you push forward ON the frame, you still NEED to hold on to the case of the pull gage. Otherwise the action of you pushing on the frame would pull the entirety of the pull gage (case AND hook).☺️ By HOLDING on to the case of the pull gage, you the create opposing forces which MAY, invariably, render the reading on the pull gage somewhat inaccurate.
Try placing the handgun frame on a bench vice to eliminate one aspect of the human element that YOU impart on this measurement.
I have.
The measurements are the same.
Almost like I know what I’m doing
Great video! Glad I watched it. I'm a S&W K-frame guy, owning a '76 6" Model 19 and mid-80s 2.5" Model 66. I was going to buy a new 4" 686 L-frame but instead bought the 4.25" Python last week. It was so awesome I just couldn't walk away. Dry firing, I prefer the S&W triggers but they've had decades to wear into silky smooth pull. I'm glad to hear your Python improved after 2k rounds. The old revolvers are still in excellent shape because ~95% of the ammo fired was 38 Special but the Python will get more 357 than they did.
Now that two years have passed I expect the Python has picked up a point or two in your ratings because aftermarket holsters and sights (Wilson Combat) are now available. It's nice that Colt is back again thanks to CZ.
WWHHOOOO HHOOO, for the what I collect, the first years of Ruger double action wheel guns through the 3 calibers offered in the Alaskan. nice , fair video young man
Single action fire is not pointless,
most people can more accurately fire a revolver in with the hammer cocked better then double action pull.
I like a lot of the other points you're making, but there is absolutely a reason for single action it's much easier to make accurate shots in single what's a light crisp trigger, for most shooters, than in double action,
and that's just a objective truth, factual reality.
You're right that it's easier. It's a skill issue, so instead of relying on the crutch of single action, people should train harder so they don't need it
Wow his response killed some of my brain cells. People have ceilings on natural ability, available time, money, dedication, and interest. Maybe, just maybe single action has never gone away for a reason?
Yeah, it’s never gone away because people are lazy and getting good at double action requires dedication and skill.
You’re right that people have ceilings, but those are entirely self-created in this case.
But hey, if people are comfortable with a mediocre level of skill and prefer to rely on a crutch, that’s their choice.
I had a sp101 and tbh I didn't really care for and just traded it for a 686 plus. The smith's just seems to be much more smoother to me. I haven't had much experience with colts.
Ruger makes a great revolver that always seems to out produce S&W and Colt in terms of muzzle velocity and energy in any given load. With an accuracy second to none. I find the GP100 6" with a full under lug to be the sexiest iteration!
Sticking with my python😊😊
Great video, answered all my questions, thanks
Glad to help!
Listening to you comment on " working" on the revolvers brought back memories of a law enforcement shooting match at Nellis AFB 1975-76 Las Vegas. Most shooters were using heavily modified Smiths. We called them " space guns". Had a Yosemite Park shooting team shoot their S&W model 10, no sights, six inch barrels.
I sold my 686 plus in favor of my GP100 6" blued 357. Love it!!!
I have the Ruger and the Smith. They're both great, but the Smith is my favorite. The 686 is a little nicer to shoot. The trigger is just better.
The Ruger is MUCH better if you're a reloader. plus the trigger smoothes out after a few hundred dry fires, plus its cheaper in price. Warranties are the same. River is a better value and will last longer.
I've owned and carried all 3. You really cant go wrong with any of them. For me the Python is probably the most difficult to master the trigger after living with S&W and Ruger triggers. I prefer the GP100 for combat use. The S&W and Colt are up to that task as well but they feel more range princess than warrior.
The GP manufacturing is a little crude compared to Smith and Colt but once the action has been smoothed up it's an absolute beast.
For my hands, I've found that a solid high grip has reduced muzzle twitch on my 6" Python. I've modified my 2022 with Deer Hollow grips, a Wilson Combat gold bead blade with the rear sight on it's way. I've got over two grand in the gun and I'm a happy owner. The trigger is iron grade butter IMHO.
Lol for combat. I love these comments
Pretty obvious you've never been on the wrong side of a 357m.
The fun factor really ramps up when your duty sa chokes in the middle of that fight.
For combat? Lmao. You ain't doing no combat. Especially with a revolver.
@justusbryant7366 Tell that to general Paton, i mean, he's dead but still lol. Handguns in general aren't a primary "combat" weapon but men badder and tougher than any today carried revolvers and they were definitely used in "combat". They arguably relied on them more than we do our handguns today.
Single action is not pointless, it gives you an excellent pull for accuracy.
or, and hear me out on this, you could just get better at shooting DA so you can be just as accurate without needing the crutch of single action
Single action for first shot, double action the rest of the way through
@@damienwilliams6004 that's the worst possible way to shoot a DA revolver
@@Gunday_Brunch OR, you can just have both and people can use them however they like and shoot more accurately with a single action trigger pull? If you want to shoot fast with a shitty and heavy trigger you can always buy a DAO auto-loader and you get the positive of having more ammo AND no friends. Double action is inferior accuracy-wise, just useful for fast follow up shots on a revolver or restriking a primer. You pick which is more important to you.
@@Gunday_Brunch Being able to shoot as well in double action as single action is a good goal but not everybody has reached that goal. Single action capacity allows people to shoot reasonably accurately while still learning. Remember some might call using lighter springs a crutch for those who need to spend more time at the gym.
Good comprehensive review. I use a new model Colt Python as my EDC. The aftermarket support situation has improved since this video was made. My Python has Wilson Combat sights (the front sight is a fiber optic). I currently have six holsters for it. I use HKS speedloaders. I don’t anticipate needing anything else from the aftermarket for it.
Switch to safariland Comp 2 speedloaders for carry. They’re superior in every way.
You can get the Accro and Ellison sights for the Colt Python from Kensight.
None that fit the new 2020 Colt Python that I can see
You give the S&W a better grade than for the Ruger for trigger pull out of the box, but you say that for S&W it is 15 pounds while being 14 for the ruger.
So, shouldn’t the notes be the other way round?
Agreed. That just shows the reliability of this guy vidéo and judgment. He does not even check what he says before releasing the video. As to me, I own both a Python and a Ruger gp100. Out of the box, the trigger on the Python is indeed much better than that of the the Ruger, but my Ruger was showing a average 12.7 pounds DA trigger pull after about 500 rounds, which can be considered for me, as its true trigger pull.
In addition, I disagree on saying that the single action feature does not make sense. That’s just your personal view.
This is however a quite good comparison video.
The gp100 was gritty and stacked near the end of the pull
Whatever I have near at hand when needed is my favorite. Thanks.
So I've completely taken apart and worked on a fair amount of smith and wesson revolvers (specifically older Pinned and recessed K-Frames) and I never once had to use a special tool for the rebound slide/rebound spring, I just used a polymer flat punch and my first ever time was with a Phillips head screw driver. It's a little bit annoying to get it back in place under spring tension and lined up with the trigger, but not all that hard.
Did they change something with newer Smiths so that you need to use in some fashion now?
No, you don't need the tool specifically. I've done it with a punch and screwdriver as well, but I find the tool makes it a lot easier.
Oh, man! Is the Colt VS Smith & Wesson debate reborn? I must find a way to try out that new Colt! I know you're not a fan of single action shooting but which would be best for bullseye?
Colt for sure
I would give the Colt a 2/10 on the internals. Theres so many moving parts inside which is why you get a smoother pull but removing parts and putting them back is a pain in the ass.
Should have mentioned how the front sight on the ruger and colt can be easily changed out. Not the case on the smith
why exactly would you need to change out a front sight that is forged into the barrel?
@@swatbwana because there's different types to choose from such as fiber optic, brass, different colors etc
Great video liked it. My opinion differes from yours in that, the single action on these revolvers is far from useless. I have a well broken in 6" GP100 with a 2.2 pound single action trigger pull.
I however shoot Buffalo Bore 180 grain hard cast and a hand load that equals that Buffalo Bore load. I also like the Grizzly 200 grain loads. All of these loads develop 800 ft lb or more muzzle energy out of my 6-in Ruger. They kick a bit more like my 44 magnums. For 357 magnums at that level of performance a good single action trigger pull is essential.
The frame locking Ruger is definitely the best choice for regular use of full potential 357 magnum rounds.
Yeah, I don't know what kind of shots this guy is taking, but I'm definitely not going to attempt Eli Dicken scenarios with a DA trigger.
@@9unslin9er Have you considered sucking less? For example, one of the most accuracy dependent shooting matches, the bianchi cup, Every shot, even out to 50 yards, is fired DA.
Because the gun kicks more, you cant pull a DA trigger? That seems...silly.
@@Kylef7735 How about you learn to be more literate? I'm talking about shooting around bystanders. Steel plates can't sue.
@@Kylef7735You can use double action and make well placed shots for sure, even with heavy recoil. You said "single action was useless" That's not the case. I'll go out on a limb and speak for the majority of revolver people and say, your best groups are achieved using single action. A revolver hunter probably will their shot in single action as well. Especially the first shot. Facing some angry animal charging you'll probably instinctively use double action. But then again not always.
The sheer number of comments white knighting the SA trigger because they clearly refuse to do better is pretty telling. De-spur! all the defensive hammer guns!
Yup I don’t think I have ever tried single action …
Another great video brother. It is now 2022 I am hoping the aftermarket is building for the colt. I’m really leaning toward buying one as I just can’t buy another S&W with a Hilary Hole. In switching to colt and Ruger for that reason.
I own all three but can't compare apples to apples because the first two are stock and my Python has been heavily modified. It had received a bull barrel, bobbed hammer, and trigger job already when I bought it in the eighties. I would guess the exquisite trigger is about 4 lbs and it is the most accurate revolver I have ever touched. I handloaded my own ammo to make it even better. I shot USPSA with it for 2 years and outshot many Smiths even with the minor scoring (38spl vs 45 acp) and slower reloads. (I used Safariland speedloaders, Smiths use full moon clips). Of the other two I like the trigger on the Ruger Match Champion better.
I'll stick to my kimber k6 4"target..which is in the same cost category..yet out shines all 3 hands down
I have Pythons, but they are original 1960's vintage. That have the smoothest action of any wheel gun I've fired. Yes I'm one of those guys that doesn't want to shoot them anymore so I bought a GP100 target. It doesn't compare to the colts as far as a smooth trigger pull, but it is just as accurate, has 7 rounds, and built like a tank. You can shoot it all day and not miss a beat. Never had a misfire. Plus, If you run out of ammo the Ruger is just as deadly as a club.🤣
In my humble nobody opinion, from many years of owning and shooting revolvers, the Smith and Wesson model 15, combat masterpiece, is the finest revolver I ever fired.
That’s a good choice. One thing I like about the combat masterpiece is the lighter profiled barrel. I’ve always been a combat magnum guy, but the old combat masterpiece feels just about perfect for the k-frame. It’s lighter than the combat magnums, and balanced just right with that lighter barrel and lack of underlug.
@@leifhoklin2681 It will take plus P rounds no problem also, I personally think 38 special is an excellent round for self-defense, especially when it comes to over penetration which a 357 will give you .
@@georgehorner1578 .38 special is a fine cartridge. I’ll have to part ways with you about the point of over penetration. That depends upon the bullet design and velocity. Yes, a 158 grain soft point from a .357 magnum will absolutely over-penetrate. However, a modern 125 grain jhp likely won’t. The same holds true for .38 special. If you’re stoking your M15 with full power 158gr LSWCs, you’re asking for over-penetration. If you instead use a plus P 125gr jhp, you’ll likely get the expansion needed to prevent over-penetration. Personally, I really like Underwood’s 158 gr SWCHP +P load for .38 special. It’s pretty hot, but it gives enough velocity from my snubbies to guarantee expansion.
@@leifhoklin2681 I remember reading some articles way back about how for law enforcement, the 357 mag in a situation where there are a lot of people around was a problem as far as over penetration verses the 38, which can even over penetrate but not like the freight train 357 .
@@georgehorner1578 You’re right, but that was way back. Bullet technology has come a long, long way. You have to remember that when the .357 magnum first became popular with law enforcement, the 158 grain semi-jacketed soft point was the most popular bullet. The 125 grain, jacket hollow point came on the scene in the 1980s and solved the issue of over-penetration.
My New Colt Python has a really nice double action pull, but the single action pull is close to 6lbs. Sent it off to TJ's Custom to have a trigger job - so much for out of the box.
First off I've owned the revolvers you have featured and multiple examples of each, in the case of the Ruger both 357 Magnum and 44 Special. Back in the late 70's and early 80's I owned 2 Colt Pythons. Why you ask ? Both had great triggers and beautiful blueing but otherwise a revolver that drags or stop's up after a couple hundred rounds is worthless. My first Python was a complete POS, there I said it and that one came out of the custom shop. I traded it in and bought another, different gun, same story only that one had timing and forcing cone problems. I was done, I give the Python a big zero, I bought a Colt Trooper Mk lll after that and it was twice the revolver the Python was and I still have it but it's a big chunk. I wanted a carry piece so I picked up a Ruger Speed 6 used. What an awesome weapon, just ate up anything I put through it, never had to clean it and it was accurate with a great trigger. It was so awesome it led to the purchase of my two other GP100's. If you haven't guessed I'm a Ruger fan, I've got a bunch from SP101's to a SRH in 454. As for the Smith's, hard to beat. I've had and still have J frames, K's and L's in 357 and a 629 Classic. I just can't shake loose from them, only drawback is they are not as strong as the Rugers. I retired my M19, I did see a forcing cone crack and recessed firing pin bushings in others, it only gets fed reduced 357 and 38 Specials now but it has a very sweet trigger. I CCW my 642 all the time in my pocket, it just disappears and the 6" 686 is one of my most accurate revolvers. Except for the Python they are all great guns, my favorite has to be the Ruger GP100 in 44 Special followed by my 7 shot, 3" 357. Both have fantastic triggers, are very easy to work on with the removable trigger groups and the 44 is my most accurate revolver with the 357 and 686 tied in second place. IMHO honorable mention has to go to my 3" Taurus 685 Defender. A J Frame sized 6 shooter after 100 rounds it slicked right up, rated for as much +P ammo as you can feed it, it came with 2 sets of grips, a fiber optic front sight with a Tritium insert and at half the price of the Smith or Ruger. Something to consider especially for a first time buyer or for a nightstand gun. Anyone can shoot it.
The best on of these..is the one you CAN slap
Excellent video. You mention you have an aftermarket hammer and trigger on the S&W. Can you share details and where to find this parts. Thanks!
Thank you for this great comparison. I totally agree - but you missed one category: looks. 😉
In this category the python gets a solid 10/10.
Disagree. Hate that top rib on Colts. Full lug, GP100 all day. Half lug, 686.
Definitely!!!
Love the video, I love the fact you checked the cylinder each time you picked up the weapon. Great weapons handling. Great job and I have each of these in six inch. All great wheel guns.
why would you love that he checked the cylinder every time? u think a bullet gonna sneak its way in there after the first time he checked? You can get in the habit of checking the cylinder each time u play with a gun and if you don't have dementia, you'll remember if bullets were in it
@@tyborg314 It's just a good practice, to the point of reflexive "muscle memory." Each time he puts a pistol down to handle another, the other two are behind him out of sight, and if someone else was in the room there'd be the opportunity for mishap. Even though he's obviously alone, it's just good practice to always have the same safe routine when picking up a weapon instead of sometimes checking, sometimes not.
We all wanted a Python back in the day (30 yrs, ret. ‘97) but most of us could not come close to affording one.
I’m wanting to get my first center fire revolver In 357 to add to my collection. Im wanting a 4-5 inch barrel. I will only be target shooting for fun. Not competition. I have a lever gun in 357 and now that I’m loading for it I want to get a revolver. What would you recommend?
Any one of the guns on this list would be a good choice
14:48 results, plus out-of-box winner at 15:33
Thank you sir! Great advice
what did the modified trigger on the 686 cost?
The kit alone is about $150, not counting labor for installing it
I have been told by Cylinder and Slide that a Ruger GP 100 with mods will have just as nice a trigger as a modified Smith 686. I would love to have the Python but for the price, the Ruger could have as nice or a nicer trigger.
What sort of spring kit do you have on your revolver? Looking at doing a simple spring upgrade to mine but not sure which way to go..
What’s the purpose of the vented rib on the Colt
Mounting point for optics
So which would you say is better - your moderately worked over GP, or an out of the box Python?
That's a tough question to answer objectively. I obviously really like Ruger revolvers, I currently own 6 GP100s and if you count the ones I sold I've owned at least 10.
The GP100 when it's tuned like this is a lovely thing to shoot, but it's also a little picky about primers, whereas the factory Colt smashed every primer I put under the hammer. Before the ammo crisis when I could cherry pick what I shot, I would have said the GP100 all day every day. But now? I'd still probably go with the GP100, but the Colt is a lot closer now.
What trigger kit did you put on your 686?? Seems glorious!!
I did some minor upgrades to my Ruger model 1715 (3 inch)
Put on the original compact grips, hammer shims, hammer dog shims, slicked up and stoned a few parts, left the springs alone.
It’s my favorite firearm. I love how I can stage the DA trigger pull.
I HATE the Hogue monogrip Ruger decided to put on it.......looks horrible and that huge blackstrap bump simply makes the gun shoot crappy....for me.
Old school compact grips for the 3 inch GP.
Got some new Chig inserts coming too!
Now that Beretta is importing the MR73 I think there is a new contender.
I can’t wait to get my hands on one
For breaking in the colt trigger should I use .357 or .38?
38 will be more pleasant for sure
Pleasant for me or the gun?
@@JCTexanRyeGuy pleasant for you
I bought my 686 in 1989. I sent it to the Smith & Wesson custom shop about five years latter. There's no better trigger.
Great video. I was wondering if you still feel the same about the Python 2 years later? Also, if one were considering a revolver for casual competition shooting, do you think the Python with speed loaders is a viable option? I know it will never be as fast as a 686 or GP100 with moon clips, but nobody does moon clips for the Colts.
Functionality S&W > Colt > Ruger
Aesthetics Colt > S&W > Ruger
Abuse potential Ruger > S&W > Colt (never abuse a Colt)
Great video CG!!! It’s all in the details and you summed it up very well. 💯🔫👊🏼👍🏼
New sub here. Question please,why do you say the single action option is pointless? Is it due to time required to cock it? If so, then why have sights? Will you have time to acquire them?
Its not pointless. The reviewer here is uneducated as to the why...
Good stuff
Is that smith a 6 or 7 shot? Also.. what grip do you have on that? Is that the 3”? Do you CCW the smith? If so, what aiwb holsters do you recommend? So for all the questions, just not too familiar with smith, always have been a ruger man, but you have me heavily intrigued!!! 😀
7 shot S&W with VZ R2S grips, and I use a JMCK to carry it
@@Gunday_Brunch
Thanks for the info. Appreciate it. If you had to choose between the 3” 686 plus and the 3” gp100 what would you say? Is either easier to ccw? I have a 4” gp100 but want a 3” for carry and just cant decide between the two.. 😕
Who makes those blue grips from the 686?
VZ Grips
Very informative. Can you explain why the single action function is "pointless"? Would not it be useful to target practice? And sight adjustment? Thanks.
Caleb here - I'll admit that calling it pointless is a bit of hyperbole, but frankly I don't use single action on my revolvers. If I'm zeroing the sights I want to zero them using the "real world" trigger pull which is double action. And for target practice, same thing, I want to shoot targets the same way I'd shoot a match or a person
@@Gunday_Brunch What kind of match? If I am doing silhouette, I am using single action. If it is steel challenge it's double action. I practice with both. Seems like you are pushing a false dilemma.
It's not entirely pointless. It's his opinion that he's pushing as an absolute fact and is very misinformation to those who may be less knowledgeable. Just because something may not be preferred by one does not mean it is pointless for all. And zeroing with single action makes far more sense than with double action as you're setting the point of impact of the round, not practicing your trigger control which has more likelyhood of being more inconsistent by a double action pull.
We live in a day where people hear something that a TH-camr they like or an instructor says and they adopt the belief and regurgitate the information mindlessly.
What he should have said was the "single action single action is entirely pointless to me specifically".
But the confidence and conviction in the way he says it will help others who are less knowledgeable to mindlessly believe this as fact.
You are correct in thinking for yourself and questioning others.
Single action may not be preferred in most defensive situations compared to double action, as double action will be likely faster to fire for most. But there are times when using the single action function may be beneficial.
@@ironmonkey1512 Real shooting matches, not plinking.
All three will send bullets down range well enough. But retained value goes go to Colt.
Does it also apply to a pre lock S&W
How about doing a " compare" with the Kimber revolver with the Colt, Smith and Ruger
Just saw this review. When I checked the prices for the three guns in 4” barrel, the Colt Python is 50% more than the S&W 686 or Ruger GP100. At this time, the Colt King Cobra is closer in price to the Ruger GP100 and S&W 686. Wouldn’t the Colt King Cobra be a better comparison? For full disclosure, I pick up my S&W 686 Plus 357 4“ barrel tomorrow!
More like 100% more (or double). My 686 was $829 and my Python $1499 new.
The king cobra is technically a k frame while the gp100, 686, and python are along the l frame size
Where did those amazing grips on the 686 come from?
Those are VZ Grips
@@Gunday_Brunch Sadly it seems they no longer have that model grip for the 686.
Yes they do m'lad!
vzgrips.com/products/vz-320-s-w-k-frame-grip-l-frame-grip-r2s-conversion.html
@@Gunday_Brunch I saw those but they don't appear to have the texture you have on yours and no blue option. Thanks for looking them up!
At what point should Kimber be thrown into this mix ?
I'll take my S&W 686 at half the cost. The trigger pull on mine is great.
Nice review, I plan to get a Python once my pistol license is finalized...
I'm getting one soon likely Ruger GP100
Why do you say single action shooting a double action revolver is totally pointless? Some of my most memorable shots of any gun have been from single action 6" 357 magnum revolvers in single action mode. My friend was trying to hit a padlock like the old commercial at distance with an AR-15, but kept missing. I dropped to one knee and hit it dead center with my first try from my old Colt King Cobra, single action. Another time we were shooting empty cans on cinder block, when I saw that two cans were 3" apart. I told my friend to watch this shot, aimed to nick the cinder block directly in between the cans and knocked both cans clean off with a trick shot and no visible cinder block dust up with a GP100, single action. I could not have pulled these shots off in double action mode. Why do you want to deny me memories like that?
He thinks it's pointless because he's never uses it. Because he's shoots matches and wants to train as he was shooting somebody. Pretty bold statement to say single action is pointless. Maybe it's pointless to 'him'. If I was hunting with my vintage 6 inch colt python, and a coyote came strolling in down the deer trail, I sure as shit wouldn't be trying to shoot it in DA. Maybe this guy would try and would smoke the coyote in the guts when he could of just pulled the hammer back and gave the coyote a clean shot to the lungs or heart.
Are there any MIM parts in the new Colt pythons?
Mid sized revolver... This is the way!!!
It would be unfair for me to bash the other ones since i don't own them and would be speaking out of ignorance...but I will say this much....I own the 686+ on both..2.5" and 4" and man o man...I can't sew anything beating them....they r perfect In my eyes.
Very good rating categories as closer to real world use and maintenance for those that at least like to "tinker." Liked the sequence and flow of the conversation around each firearm and as compared to one another. Found this video as sometimes I wonder if in buying my S&W Performance Center 2.5" 686, I should have bought a GP 100 instead. The L frame just seems to demand a 4" barrel and maybe should have gone that way as have had some familiarity with the old 581. An L frame snubbie like the PC 686 handles magnums great, however just seems fairly large for carry (7 shot) and not as balanced as the 4" versions. Maybe I need to examine the new Colts as bought a fourth series 90s Colt DS after all the S&Ws and even Rugers and really like it. Even been looking at pre MKIII original Colt .357 Trooper. Something about the size and feel. Nice video. Thanks, sir.
You should see Jerry Miculek take the rebound springs on and off…………w a Bic Ink Pen! I cussed him. He laughs as he does it. He says 686. Me too, I have a PC edition. 4” rib barrel. Single action like none other, a legend. Has a stop bolt trigger. Non fluted Cyl. All hand tuned.
This video proves that opinions are like ___holes.
Did you just tell us that you one of each of the big "THREE"? ...... "🖐" LOL. I now have one of each myself and can't wait to take all 🖐to the range.
the review would be perfect adding an MR73
I actually have one of those planned for the future, but we’re going to mix it up a bit!
Any recommendations for kydex or leather AIWB holsters for the Python?
the L-frame holsters from JM Custom Kydex will fit
well when you get into the 44 mag revolver let me know i got Anaconda and that Triger is like glass and the double action is is smoooth
I held off commenting until you stated how good the trigger is on the Colt. The new Colt trigger is a new dedign compared to the Smith's trigger design. Don't know much about Ruger. Taurus...almost same same as Smith.
Owned all 3 at one time. Gp100 is crude but functional, 686 is a fine revolver but isn't as refined as it could be, python is fantastic, it's fit and finish is great and is super accurate. Not a fair comparison...price in manufacturing makes this unfair. Rhe smallest price difference is 600 bucks.
Python owners well the vintage Python owners aren’t weirdos. We just don’t want to mess up something that you can’t get fixed. And because we don’t want to shoot something that’s beautiful to look at and cost A LOT of money. As for the new Colt Pythons I’m going to get one just to run like a scalded dog.