New Motorola radios for Cincinnati Police Department are cause for concern
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ก.พ. 2025
- The president of the Cincinnati police union has directed the union's attorney to explore the possibility of suing Motorola over $5 million in radios issued to city police officers last spring.
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That’s pretty cool the police officer’s speaker mic radio has an antenna sticking out.
the radios are not setup properly. the apx uses specific features that just be system wide and repeaters same. anything off or not enabled or vice versa disabled causes this.
99% of the problem is the lack of training given to the end user. You can’t hand these officers a tool and not teach them how to use it. They teach them how to turn the radio on and how to select the appropriate talk group. That’s the extent of the training they get.
wow look at all the radio experts in the comment section
Sounds like an end user failure. Everyone else seems to use Motorola radios without problems. I think it’s you folks with the problem.
Who else saw the lady walk down the stairs at the end
This is bound to happen when radio systems are over complicated with options that are unnecessary.
The audio is great with this radios
Audio sample or it didn't happen.
It was after 911 towers when the major switch happened to P25 digital systems and encryption. Yes the dealers don't want to deal with old DOS software to program the old Motorola radios. Encryption is the major selling point with these systems because of people's personal identifiable information being broadcast on the radio.
Encryption only masks the voice. Not radio or sub id. Control channel data is still decodable. One with a signal stalker can still tell if transmissions are close. How the one signal stalker works in Europe it will hyper scan the control data then track the voice channels. While the user has no audio being encrypted they still get radio rssi info control channel info and neighboring sites as well as subscribers id
@@lifeisamatrix5960 P25 Link Level Encryption will fully encrypt the control channel. Link Level Authentication uses encryption in the affiliation process.
My mate and I are radio techs here in Australia, and currently in the process of programming 2 xtl 5000 P25 radios, for personal use. We allocated ourselfs a digital channel running on 450.000mhz.
When I was driving home from his place we jumped on our private ch and for most part it was nice and clear, till i got in a dead zone, the audio transmission was garbbled, the issue with digital I have found is the carrier signal Is either there or not.
And it kind sounds muffled, or if someone is talking they sound like a robot guess is a good way of Describing it, you will know what im talking about if you have every heard a digital radio in action.
It's not like analogue signal when you start to get to far away out of range or signal strength is degraded due to buildings or hills and mountains, the carrier signal is still there, it just Becomes a bit staticy or sounds abit like squelch.
Same as Satellite TV or digital TV you get abit of heavy wind or rain and it really does distort that signal. There has been some issues in NSW the state i live in with the P25 digital PSN (public safety network) that the NSW government runs on, with signal distortion from Atmospheric or weather interference causing radio signals to be all over the place.
Im all for digital due to its security and what not but, analouge I find much better and don't know if its just me but i kinda miss it.
I found it much easier programming the older Motorola radios compared to the new stuff with Astro CPS software. Just find the newer software is abit more all over the place.
So no audio samples of this problem audio? Most problem’s are normally user error and/or lack of training for the subscriber.
This is why you dont fix something that isn't broken!!!
They are in north Carolina too in Charlotte
Why didn't the report mention the model number.
Why would anyone need the model number? How is the model number relevant?
Because, dumbass, so consumers could avoid that specific model due to the reported problems. Use your brain.
@@TheRadioKid_tt yo Jackson!!! You calling Dave a dumbass?
I still can't believe that public safety agencies are continually being suckered into thinking that digital is the way to go. The old analog radios, which are much cheaper and much more reliable, with sharp sound quality, will always outperform these new junk systems. Unfortunately, this is happening all over the country and is a serious epidemic.
Exaxtly, true interoperability. Not some bullshit marketing fad for overpriced radios. Oooh yeah gettingba system no else can use, geah that'll definitely improve interop.
Not true. These radios are a lot better than conventional analog systems. The range is awesome and so is the clarity. I think the issue is all of the scanner Fanatics that like to listen in to conversations that should be private are getting bent out of shape due to the encryption settings that come with Project 25 digital radios like these.
The issues in this town sound like half of the radios were set to encryption and half were not so when people tried to communicate it was unintelligible. Easily fixed in the CPS software. If you don’t use these radios day to day your point is irrelevant.
@@FireAndEMS You are 100% right, they probably have a bunch of extra radios sitting in a trailer that they had out for large events that were probably not programed right, therefore when they gave them out for the event they had issues,
Bruh, you have no clue what you are talking about. A properly setup p25 digital radio, along with a properly trained end user, is the best sound quality you’ll ever get in your entire life. However, when the radio isn’t properly configured, or the user has no clue what they are doing, then it’s use quickly becomes less than desirable.
@@FireAndEMSI used digital ones and never forgot about the beauty experience. We been told to turn the radio on and off every hour otherwise it may never receive any signal again.
If people want to go back to analog radios talk to your cellular providers. Overcrowding of the limited available bandwidth has not only driven the digital conversion, it has also shrunk bandwidth spacing and caused narrowbanding (soon to be 6.25KHz) on many Public Safety systems mostly so cellular providers can be "sold" more bandwidth by the FCC. Also most Public Safety Agencies are using fewer frequencies but sending way more on them than they used to.
No soon to be 6.25
Im starting to think analogue is much better to be honest. This digital stuff is just a joke. So many issues with it here in Australia
im still using motorola gp340 and it works like charm,analog all the way
Exactly, I use gp300. True interoperability, not just some bullshit marketing fad for overpriced crappy digital gear.
Digital radio (P25) will not work unless it had 100% connection vs analog radio would send and receive with interference. Major downfall of digital radios. Not just Motorola but other companies like Harris operate the same. These companies knew the issue couldn’t be completely remedy yet this still took the federal/state funding to build digital systems.
I know DMR, another format which apparently uses the same voice codec as P25 sounds awful. Using it in the workplace isn't fun. Plus there is a delay on key up. Using DMR for hobby on networked ham repeaters however is fun.
It's kind of the opposite, I service P25/NXDN radios and some DMR radios. Digital radios when configured properly, will go from 100%-0% (meaning they have the same range as analog radios, however they do not have those added static of the analog radios). Not only are Analog radios more unsecure and have risk of jammers/unauthorized use. Digital radios are able to prevent that through encryption. What it sounds like in this case is either the keys are mismatched, system isn't configured properly, system was not tested properly and/or some buttons were misconfigured. P25 sounds amazing (Compared to DMR/NXDN)
Talk with an officer if they concerned about that when they are calling for help. Before, Analog a signal would go out of some sort digital it’s a hit or miss.
@@news_internationale2035 DMR uses the AMBE vocoder iirc, the only thing is that DMR runs at half rate (half of the possible samples per frame) while P25 utilizes full rate vocoding. Motorola has a history of pushing products with crap audio, X2-TDMA was a perfect example. They kept the existing 9600bps datastream but cut it in half to make room for a second time slot. They had to run it at half rate iirc in order to make both time slots fit in one frame.
is this because they switched to digital from analog, or some other issue?
LOL HE HAS A HYBRID COP CAR
probably just programmed wrong
They should use the APX radios but I like the discontinued ones better. And all police officers use the APX radio
That's what they where using
Sometimes digital isn't the way to go in this instance, too many problems that mirror cellular phones, in that some towers aren't scaleable to handle increased volume of calls.....
Blame the fcc for making all the laws go digital
The FCC did NOT mandate Digital for radio telecommunications! They mandate it on TV because the band width of picture took up 6 Mhz. They did mandate 12.5 Khz spacing but that was not a problem when in fact most motorolas made ater 1992 where already 12.5 Khz spacing. The dealers don't want to deal with a DOS operating system to maintain them. and the agencies are sick and tired of the general public getting on the repeaters with their baofeng radios.
@@cmritchie04 You're way behind the times. In the late 2000's, the FCC required that 700 MHz public safety users switch to 6.25e technology before 2017. That is, 6.25 kHz channels (NXDN) or 2 voice paths in 12.5 kHz (DMR, P25 Phase II). There are similar mandates in Europe, which uses DMR or TETRA (4 voice paths in 25 kHz). There is no practical way to do this in analog FM, so everything is digital. Further, 800 MHz is subject to severe flutter, due to its shorter wavelength, so digital makes a lot of sense there.
MDC would keep off most Baofeng users. @@cmritchie04
Still, digital and encryption do not stop jamming.
@@straightpipedieselThere are police, fire, EMS users on bands other than 700.
It's not mandatory to be digital on VHF low, VHF high, UHF low, and 800.
These types of things are happening anyplace where Analog Radios are being replaced by Digital Technology...
With Analog, you were hearing the officers actual voice, and the level of "stress" transmitted well to others. With digital, you are hearing artificial sounds, and the difference between a calm voice & an agitated voice is a completely different set of artificial (ones & Zeros) sounds...
There are also significantly more things that can block the digital signal...
Having dealt with weak signal communications, I'd prefer a FM-P25 hybridized system over anything. P25 works better if audio is poor, and analog can work better if coverage is spotty. A P25 or other trunked system is the very best option, and I'm surprised that's not what Cincinnati is using (assuming they arent) P25 has many useful features that FM can really never manage, nonetheless FM will always be the most interoperable and reliable voice standard. I'm not sure how FM would have better quality voice comms over P25, because it's very similar as far as understanding someone's voice and emotion
@@WolfangStudios73 I know DMR sounds like trash.
@@WolfangStudios73 You should use TETRA in the US, much clearer voice than DMR / P25. That’s what we use since decades in Europe.
i shoukr know i use a p25 800 mhz xts 5000 with MODAT
They need to Go back to Motorola XTS3000 or HT1000
John Edward the jedi was a durable loud analog radio as the mts series. we have many who refuse to give them up or trade for a newer xts or apx variant. since we run analog mostly they can pull it off. they are durable older radios. one thing I disliked with the xts was regardless audio was poor low even cranked up.
John Edward exactly, this whole "interoperability" thing was just a dumbass marketing fad by dealers. Oh yeah overcomplicating everything and using non sta daed setup, yeah dedinitely imorove interop there. Fucking retards.
John Edward
XTS3000 is a piece of shit.
Got yhem all over usa
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Should have bought Kenwood
Harris is so much better!
Motorola is not the same as a decade ago
Digital radios use a weak signal easy to jam by disrupting data analog can't be jammed to strong of a signal. A p25 radio system can be jammed with a modified 30 dollar girls toy with a cc1110 chip only way to fix issue go back to analog all the failures are from data disruptions also the manufacturer is not intregating systems together properly
Analog can be jammed a lot easier than a P25 trunking system. And definitely not with a toy.
@@Dave-ji1hv you can do it with a girls toy pager modified with a c11110 chip Texas instruments a 30 dollar toy. Go to hacker day search how to jam p25 radios
@@kevinwells2182 I'm sorry but, I have never heard of such thing. I myself have used apx6000 on a trunked system (With AES encryption enabled). My old radios (analog xts2500) were much more susceptible to people stepping over traffic, electronic interference and other unauthorized users accessing the channels.
use baofung much better
Please tell me you are joking. Please. PLEASE.
yes much better analog for baofeng and you have zello go to nonstoptalk
we will talk
uhh.... hwat?
LMAO
most likely dcs or CTCs codes ain't matched up
Do you know what digital is????
Dave I do it’s the voice that you are receiving and analog is different sound. Do you remember me