Video: KEF LS60 Wireless, interview met Johan Coorg
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KEF maakt er geen geheim van: hun LS60 Wireless speaker is een luidspreker die mogelijks wel de toekomst voor high-fidelity opnieuw zal definiëren. Wanneer je als je merk een dergelijke uitspraak doet, moet je wel heel zeker zijn van je stuk. En dat zijn ze ook, terecht. Zo blijkt, wij gingen langs bij iEar' in Amsterdam tijdens hun KEF event om een 'babbeltje te slaan' met de enige echte Johan Coorg.
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Heard them today in Tilburg. Very impressive.
I was glad to be there. Thank you for the opportunity.
How would you compare them to KEF R11?
@@kunkundalin didn't listen to the r 11.
I only listened the ls60 and the reference 5.
That one is a whole other type and class. So no point of comparing.
Me too and for me it was the absolute best surprise of the day!
Absolutely love these, looking forward to seeing how they perform.
They perform extremely good
GREAT approacha, Waiting to hear the sound of Class D and A/B mix, this approach from KEF is perfect: no cables, perfect galvanic isolation from internet, perfect maching between amplis and speakers, active digital corrosover, etc. it is what it can be done and shall be done with today´s available technology. KEF is in the front of innovation fro the last 40 years
so excited to get these for my clients !
wow I love the design, and the sound of KEF, I cant wait to hear it
in your video it lists Apple Music as one of the Streaming Services, however it is not available in the KEF Connect App
Can we use our LS50 W2s as rears and set up a home cinema? Ought to be possible with a software/firmware upgrade.
How good can we consider the amplifiers in this? Does it use Hegel (based) design’s?
Really going to hear them out 🌈
Not a big fan of KEF sound but always love their innervation.
Tell me is this spot like the kef blades?
The relationship between r and d and accounting is now as smooth as the LS60s
Very interesting!
Interesting to see how these will compare to Genelec. I have the 8351B which are in the same price range and they deliver outstanding performance. GLM room correction is already one advantage that Genelec has.
A game changer, As standalone AMP is becoming more and more expensive, like Hegel, which is paried with KEF in many occasions
How can everything be possible if you are missing a simple USB input?
Good looking speakers. Looks like a cross between a blade and an ls50
Hope to hear them at the next Bristol Hi-Fi show, 2023
Absolutly amazing Kef products,i have ls 50 end R3....my dream ,Referfnce 1 🥰
This kills ref 1
another vote for Reference 1. no need for wireless. just CDs and vinyls here...
@@whitecrowuk575 really?
@@sulddrea Reference is a well polished passive speaker but it’s on the far spectrum of diminishing returns for its price. LS60 provides wider soundstage and remarkable low freq. response for less plus active design meaning you don’t need amp you don’t need streamer. Reference 5 sounds better but only if connected to expensive amp so total cost is 3x ls60 cost.
@@whitecrowuk575 thanks
The blue is gorgeous
Have auditions started?
KEF smelled Buchardt’s A700’s eating market share and got to work!
COMPLETELY different market shares my man. Anything with the Kef name on it right now sells like hotcakes no matter where it's at. Buchart? Not that many people have their products in comparison
Kef probably sell more speakers a day than Buchardt do in a year so not really a logical comparison.
Would be Amazing for the bedroom! This had a sub out correct?
It does. It also allows high pass Filterung the speakers when subs are connected so the transition can be controlled very well and LS60 Wireless will benefit from less bass duties to perform.
I am not clear at all from any product description or review or the manual itself if the network input is capable of passing music, say from Roon, or Roon can only be streamed wirelessly.
Roon RAAT can come wired from your computer as Roon core or from a compatible server connected via ethernet to your router in turn connected via ethernet cable to LS60 Wireless
Could you hookup a McIntosh Integrated Tube amplifier to these speakers??
If you have one, then you already know the answer
Wunderbar und innovativ ist einfach Elegante ,einfach KEF
Also, any speculation as to why they would use class A/B for the tweeter and D for the rest?
Hi @beephex1 a comprehensive explanation is given in the white paper published by KEF us.kef.com/pub/media/ls60-content/LS60W_WP.pdf
Many class-d on a chip designs have a tendency for hizz when running idle. Maybe that’s the reason
No idea. I have hypex triamped in each speaker and they are silent.
Why didn't kef do these in Black❓
😊❤❤❤
Are analogue signals from the RCA connectors converted to digital and then back to analogue?
Most likely converted, as DSP is done in digital domain
@@billybobby7607 yeah I should’ve updated this comment by saying Darko Audio confirmed all signals run through DSP conversion, but cheers for the reply!
@@kearnze if you have record player, tape deck, tuner, cd player then yeah loss in sound quality.
Quite a few audio products are dropping true analogue bypass..best way to have it is buy stereo analogue pre amp.
Dac inside?
6 DACs in total .......
Yawls bang? I have the Kef wireless 2s and kc62 subwoofer 🔊 very nice products
ALLOW SURROUND SOUND SETUP WITH YOUR ACTIVE LINES KEF!!!!!
Anything that goes wrong in amp and dsp. Can’t use the system. I live in India and support for such products is non exsisting. I always want a modular system so can mix match. Example expternal amps and miniDSP
My downtime is low. But I feel a great speaker this ls60 not heard hope it’s worth. At 3k more u get a far better system like Dutch and Dutch and kii3
Interesting to see how people choose
Dealer network of kef stronger. Hope some brands come with modular system
Yeah rather have seperates, passive speakers
Only 1800W from the good old Beolab 5:p
they look like the thingies that detect if you have stolen something at stores entry doors
I don`t like active speakers at all, cause I`m a Tube guy.......BUT I liked and had the LS50 and I think that this LS60 will be a hell of a good Speaker for the modern Music Lover, who just want to connect his iPhone and play good sounding music, not fiddling around with Tube Amps, Pre Amps, Power Amps, and all this other stuff.
I´m pretty sure, this LS60 will be awesome, but not that giant seller as the LS50 before, cause of its much much higher price.
There is something like this on the market .... Buchardt A700
No
I Wish I could have The Money to get one of those un My House.
Only one?
just six and half thousands euros... it's a gift almost! xD
I'm still a bit confused as to why the DSP is necessary. Seems less electronics is better, no?
DSP is what makes them sound "big" correctly without having gigantic cabinets and eliminates the issue of wildly varying performance characteristics based on placement, room size or treatment etc.
@@AnotherAnonymousMan Hmm... that is unfortunate. Maybe they will come out with a passive version!
@@beephex1 It isn't unfortunate at all. Active speakers with DSP will produce better sound than their passive equivalent unless you have excellent room treatment, inch perfect placement, subwoofers and suitably matched amplification in the ~$10,000 bracket.
Everyone *thinks" their separates setup will be superior, but with just one aspect that isn't expertly perfected, it wont be.
@@beephex1 will not in this size - if you want buy Balde 2 Meta - no way without DSP can you squeeze so much bass extension out of a design this size .....
@@AnotherAnonymousMan Not only that , in order to get each amplifier its range of frequencies to be reproduced, withouth pasive internal crosover you need the internal digital crosover, which can be much more precise and acurate that the traditional pasive croosover. Acitive crosover are much more better that passive ones. This is a great tecnical approach
No, Wifi6, no Bluetooth 5.2, cannot play wirelessly at 24-bit by 192khz, and needs more streaming stations like Sonos.
Passive variant would be nice.
Why? Three separate built-in amplifiers with digital crossover and EQ optimized for each driver are going to work much better than external crossover and 3 power amps for much more money. I understand the fetish for analog (I have tube monoblocks myself), but these speakers weren't designed for it.
@@skierpage All great when it works. Ever have an amp board fail in an active speaker? The DT Mythos ST was another excellent product. Now you cant get parts for the amp board. Legendary speaker turned paperweight.
@@tritiumglo4699 good point. I think KEF is still repairing the first generation LS50W for money even though it's no longer getting software updates. KEF's poor 2-year warranty on speaker electronics doesn't inspire confidence.
Ohhhhh, should I trade I’m my R11’s??
I'll take your r11s.... and up for sale are my R500s
Without a classical ir remote conrol a no go! Too much bad experiences with sheer WiFi or Bluetooth solutions...
Fully agree on that. And not even as an optional is a remote available ! “it’s a no from me”
It's may be the futur of hi-fi, but after the Pearl of Cabasse.
Like you said, the LS60 are Blade amplified. Nothing new.
You probably know that "Blade amplified" doesn't really nail it. The term "amplified speaker" usually refers to a passive speaker with an in-built amp. Absolutely not the case here. These are full range active DSP controlled speakers with integrated DACs and streamer. Similarities with the Blade range is probably a welcome side effect but that's it. Much more living room friendly scale (really tiny by comparison), unobtrusive design, closed box speakers. Some think they are ugly (most don't). I wonder if these critics would get along with the Pearl. Don't know them from personal experience so I won't further comment.
The only thing one would still wish from KEF was some room calibration.
Yeah ah no. Over simplification. These are TRI amped at each speaker with all the crossover work done in the digital domain with flexibility impossible with passive and done before the power amps. This created a direct coupling effect that is a new level of resolution. With dsp the world opens up and the filter designer gets to really execute their craft.
nice stuff but becoming too expensive for mer mortals...
it is extremely economic approach. You have the whole sytem you need there.
Kef R500s for sale lol
Nothing on the market like it? Dutch and Dutch 8c, Kii 3, Genelec The Ones etc
GR Research received KEF LS50 Metas from one of their customers for evaluation of a complaint about listening fatigue. I'm attaching a link to it below. Among the findings were that the crossover network for the woofer circuit showed cost cutting by use of sandcast resistors, ordinary NPC capacitors, and an iron core inductor. There were also some indications of an ultrasonic resonance often typical of metal dome tweeters such as in the recently introduced KLH model 5 reviewed by Stereophile Magazine. The way in which the cabinet was constructed which was extremely sturdy BTW and the crossover network boards installed made it virtually impossible to remove them for repair or upgrade and re-installation in the enclosure. I'd be interested to hear your comments and whether or not this is typical of your other products. I was surprised since these speakers got so many rave reviews.
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Brzydkie, w ogóle mi sie nie podobaja. Szkoda ze kef nie zrobil większych następców ls50 ale pozostał w formie podstawkowych kolumn..
I wouldn’t touch this thing, even if it was under 1K.
Cannot win over everyone ;-))
"You can put it extremely close to a wall".....ahhhhhh...ok. If you want boomy bass. Whether it has a port, passive radiators, or is sealed...you'll still get reflections off a wall if the speaker is too close to a wall. As far is leading the way with this new tech....Buchardt and Canton are ahead of you. KEF is following the lead.
Objectively wrong. Room gain can be easily corrected for and that's exactly what can be done easily with LS60 Wireless. There's even an expert mode in the app if you prefer to take more detailed control.
Please don't waste time arguing that wall reflections in the bass region would degrade the sound just because they are there. No, they don't.
@@naibafabdulkobor4301 So in other words the speakers and app will color the sound. Not what I would want to hear from my $7000 speakers. Speakers jammed up against a wall is not recommended for getting the most natural sound. Period.
@@ryanschipp8513 No and no. Speakers can be designed to perform reasonably well right against the wall. Better if they are active. Absolutely great with DSP control. Simply perfect with added room correction. Period. 😉
@@naibafabdulkobor4301 you can have your speakers jammed up against the wall that perform reasonably well. I'll take the ones pulled out a couple feet off the wall that sound much more natural than yours. Good luck when your internal amplification goes bad too.
@@ryanschipp8513 Don't distract from the topic. You don't HAVE to put these speakers against the front wall, it's not a recommendation. But you CAN and they will still sound superbly. Not boomy, not coloured. Slim speakers being mounted flush to the wall do not suffer from soundstage smearing or other problems caused by early reflections. But they do need exactly matching EQ so the entire system must be engineered to work this way. Again, LS60 Wireless are NOT designed to work best close to the wall. They will just work similarly well. What do you think, how much distance is required to get an "airy and open" sound? The more the better? Not really. Distance to side walls is a different topic but even there a speaker's directivity is key.
And just as a reminder: It's not just the amps that can break here. These are not just active speakers but wireless music systems. DACs, streaming boards, WiFi and LAN modules, DSP boards, IR receivers, PSUs for all of them and much more can break as well. If you don't like that concept nobody forces you to buy them. I won't. But (mostly) for different reasons.
At $7000, it had better not be made in China....
Why? You racist?
@@simianinc Yep, I also don't want corporations to squeeze even more profit for luxury products by cutting cost with Slave Labor while charging premium luxury prices.
LOL the markup has to be around 10x what they actually cost to build so I doubt they could be made in England at this price, maybe for $15,000
So you would prefer to pay 15k? This speaker spec wise kills reference, including ref 5 unless you need over 100db output. These are mini blades basically and for 6k is a very good value probably best value speakers on the market in that price bracket
@@whitecrowuk575 Any large speaker company can build these in the US or UK at $7K and still make a very nice profit.
But corporations today have gotten used to not just making a nice profit, they want to gouge people.
Mission is making the new 770 100% in the UK for $4K including stands... And I'm sure they will be making a nice profit.
Looks like a toy speaker.....for 7k.
Will ultimately in the sound quality stakes will not sound as good compared to even a pair of two way professional ATC SCM20ASL for less money. Even kefs active loudspeakers suck in sound quality compared to ATC SCM ASL.
Not great and yes I heard them.. Sorry guys the hype is just that they are just OK :-)
I wonder about the sound quality of the mix of classD and A/B just for high frequencies, but the technical approach is perfect, and would allow a very high quality for that price. Although myself in the sound of Singlended tubes amplifier, I am in a different world. In my point of view this the perfect technical approach nowadays, getting a very reasonable price
@Garth I'm sincerely curious. What is it about them specifically that you don't care for? Is it that you just feel they are way overhyped/overpriced, or was the overall sound just average? I'd really be curious to hear, if you'd be willing to share. Cheers!