DO IT All SPEAKER 😲 KEF LS60 Wireless Review - HDMI Speaker
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► KEF LS60 REVIEW
Has KEF come out with slim speakers for home theater that will satisfy music first audiophiles? The LS60 towers are the latest KEF wireless speakers to hit the market competing with other wireless speakers like Bang and Olufsen Beolab 28 but for half the price. While not cheap, could the KEF LS60 be the sweet spot for those looking to ditch their passive stereo speakers?
00:00 KEF WIRELESS REVIEW INTRO
01:53 SLIM LOUDSPEAKER (LS60 DESIGN)
02:47 SETTING UP THE KEF LS60 WIRELESS
03:58 KEF LS60 SOUND BEFORE AND AFTER ADJUSTMENT
09:05 CONCERNS WITH THE LS60 WIRELESS
10:49 BEOLAB 28 VS LS60
11:26 KEF VS KEF
12:23 KEF VS BOWERS AND WILKINS
13:09 CONCLUSION
13:41 KRISTI'S TAKE
14:58 IS KEF OVERPRICED
18:29 BEST POWERED STEREO SPEAKERS FOR TV
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Hey Andrew i like to now if the svs sb1000 pro can match the svs 3000 micro in soundquality? You speak in the reviews always about the 3000 micro but that sub costs 400 euro's more than the sb1000 pro.
For me the biggest items would be cables and conectivity and also plug and play, at a reasonable price. And naturally the sound must be great for music and movies.
What if I love my amp and DAC too much? And they're also beautiful too, and I need to see those "furnitures" beside the speakers. And honestly will an internal amp for active speakers be ALWAYS outperforming your separate amp, that you choose to your passives in terms of system synergy? That's why people seem to praise actives, right?
I'm not sure if I would ever move to a fully self powered system. My biggest issue is with future compatibility. With connectivity standards changing constantly, how long (or short) will it be before these speakers become outdated and require a workaround to make them compatible with whatever the future standard is?
At $7,000 a pair, these are definitely in the price range most hi-fi consumers would consider to be "end game". How useable will these speakers be in 10 or 20 years?
Two years ago I changed my system to an active system based on Dynaudio Focus XD 30s.
After a few months of searching I got a Linn Akurate DSM as system hub on which everything is connected, from tv to turntable to NUC to UBD-player.
Works perfect for me: besides the coax and powercables to the loudspeakers, no other cables are needed to them.
Using loudspeakers themself as system hub: nah, cable management will become a nightmare.
So QOTD: for me a loud YES, but with a separate system hub to prevent cable clutter like you showed with the KEFs. Connecting via WiSA to a system hub is imo the preferred way, but my XDs and DSM don’t support it. That is something for a new setup in five years time.
*CORRECTION:* I mistakenly say in the video that there is a Class A/B amp for both the tweeter and midrange, this is incorrect. The tweeter is powered by a Class A/B amp whereas the midrange and woofers are driven by a Class D amp. My mistake and apologies for the confusion. All of the other info in the video is correct.
The mid-range has its own 100watt class D amp, and the woofers are then powered by another class D amp at 500watts.
I have owned a lot of high end gear over the past 10 years and took a chance on the LS60s. I replaced a pair of Wilson Sabrina X’s and McIntosh MA12000 in a second home. I bought them without an audition. Let’s just say I don’t miss the Sabrina’s or McIntosh. The sound stage and imaging were great out of the box. I was caught up in separates and expensive cables for way to long, and have spent more on cables over the years than these speakers cost. The laws of diminishing returns is real. Just enjoy the music.
I sincerely appreciate you sharing Jimmy!
Can you elaborate more on why you don't miss them?
As a KEF passive fan boy,, here's my take....
1) Out of the box sound, not impressive but not surprising without burn in.
2) Setup is not simple or easy. May require dealer in home setup for those who only want music and hate tinkering.
3) Signal drops also reported by Darko....TV pairing issue is not comforting. KEF has some work to do here.
4) Serious concern over active long term reliability, heat concerns, repair accessibility, support beyond warranty and parts availability, especially when not made by KEF......true of all actives.
5) Will mostly appeal to modern audiophiles who value simple, elegant systems and those willing to get rid of their multi-box systems, unless the LS60 is a second system.
6) The cable mess will be a serious issue for some folks and certainly not wireless.
7) Kristi is spot on with price concerns. It's a lot of dough for most folks. At $7,500 with tax, they should work flawlessly. Nonetheless, they look awesome in your new contemporary space.
8) Like it or not, gloss white is easily cleanable. Mat finish / clean-ability is a real bummer for aesthetic conscious / clean freak owners.
9) I'll stick with my KEF passives.
10) I will be very curious to see how the LS60 sells over the coming fall and winter key selling season....however KEF will probably not divulge. Without question, they are not for everyone.
I just bought a demo/mint pair of the LS60’s from a small audio dealer for $4975 and they are very impressive.
I had been out of the audio/Hifi world for awhile, and to have this level of quality sound all inclusive for $5k
Is remarkable.Totally pleased with the purchase.
Had these for a year, and loving them every single day. Sexy, loud, accurate, blend perfectly with SVS subs. Coaxial connection is a rarity on speakers like this, but it's exactly what I ended up using most on the LS60. I don't think there are any comparable speakers out there that would give me all of the above, or even exceed the experience.
I just today set up my wife's grandfather's kef 107s. It's taken two years to get them repaired, shipped etc. etc. They sounded fine, but not amazing. I then used the kefkube, a three dial proprietary equalizer and crossover network that were an integral part of the speaker system, especially for room correction and bass.
And now, they're amazing.
I guess history echoes in the audiophile world. The kef kube is just now some sliders on an app.
Another high quality review from you guys. Currently nobody can compete with you in that space.
😍
These are intriguing. However, it's a lot money for something that could become obsolete a few years down the road as the electronics offerings of separates continue to evolve. This is my knock against powered speakers. With passive speakers I can infinitely change and upgrade my system while keeping the same speakers. So for now I would only have something like this as a secondary setup. But it's too much money for a secondary system.
So minus the wireless aspect, does this take us back to the question of "Are High End Speakers REALLY WORTH IT? 🤔 Polk Audio R700 Review and where does speakers like the R700 stack up or is the new bar the $7,000.00 price range? And, if tweaking the EQ of the room is what makes these sound so special, doesn't every speaker's full potential a consequence of room EQ tweaking? Thanks both of you for making me addicted to you channel. :-)
I am really enjoying the trend of good brand name speaker companies making active speakers with HDMI inputs. Those of us of listen to music as much as we do to TV in the same room and not really wanting the whole set of surround speakers is a great idea.
Thanks again for a great review and please keep your eye out for any new ones coming on the market. I pulled the trigger on a pair of Klipsch the Fives along with my Polk Sub and I love them.
The way the living room is styled, taking a picture of these there look like the kind you get in a product brochure lol, it fits perfectly
Ive been waiting for this ever since you said you had them 😁
Always locked from Nairobi Kenya 🇰🇪. Am an Hifi enthusiast and on this channel have gathered much knowledge. Thanx Andrew 🙏🏾
Thank you so much for watching!
Best review on TH-cam of the LS60’s. The white looks stunning in the new organic modern living room space.
Really appreciate your point on the wire clutter. Gave me that “oh yeah” moment of realization.
I love, love, love how they look. I have never loved the sound of KEF but dang they look soooo good in your space, and it sounds like they give you some sound flexibility in this one so who knows I might like this one.
Honestly the price is steep but I don’t think you could buy components for much less. I want to change stuff around once in a while so I’m probably keeping what I’ve got.
What would take for me to fully invest in the LS60 would be KEF expanding on it, and building a home theater series. A Center, Bookshelf surrounds or extra towers & ceiling series compatible with LS60 Wireless
Or a new LS60 series with a KEF designed receiver, with RJ45 ports running to the whole 7.0 would be ideal. If I’m investing as much & Like’em as much, I wouldn’t want to be stuck with a 2.2 forever.
I just got a pair of the Matte Black LS60’s and 2 REL S/510’s. Honestly I think I could set it up with all of the worst settings and the combo would still sound fantastic. Thanks Andrew for your great advice as I feel like I have come a long way since the 7.2 with ML 40’s (which I burned the ribbons up twice 🤪) 2 Episode ES-12’s, and crown amps you had me in. Crazy how a stereo system can make a full surround take the back seat!!
Glad you guys settled in your new home
I picked up one of these this week to integrated into my home theatre. I had the hum, which was very loud when used with my PC. A ground loop isolator completely resolved the issue for me, even removing the slight hiss when no audio is playing. If this happens to you give this solution a try as it’s quite cheap to do, and may save you hours of troubleshooting.
Quick question - how do you find it in HT setup - what speakers you replace and what center channel have you got - any insights into pros and cons appreciated thanks
Andrew and Kristi, two questions that I haven't seen answered in any review of the LS60 Wireless so far:
1. Is there any sort of surround sound compatibility for a full HT application?
2. Is the lack of metallic sheen on cymbal strikes just the "KEF sound" or something that the LS60 does worse than, say, the LS50 Meta? I haven't heard the Meta but your description reminds me of every KEF I have heard.
Excellent well balanced review. Critical but never negative. You cover all the bases. Love it. Seen it a couple of times and it helps me deciding.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I own a pair of LSX and I'm amazed; can't wait to ear these...
NGL, the fact that these speakers have an Ethernet port that links them together instead of the often proprietary connector that many speakers have or flakey limited wireless connection. That is something that I love so much.
I’m really looking forward to giving these a test drive when they become available this fall. To your question I think these will help me move to a full active setup. Therefore I also don’t worry about the cable clutter. As I already have hi-res copies of my cds. The only thing left to attach is my tv. Hope they fix the connection glitches though those would be a deal breaker for me. I heard John Darko about those as well
Off topic. I love the way those speaker looks in your living space. Especially around the 1:30 mark of this video. The white of the speakers against your homemade slated wood baffles looks awesome. The plant was a nice touch as well. I also saw the HiFi Rose 150B in the frame as well 👍🏾. For myself powered speakers is something i would not be into only because I love how an analogue signal sounds to me. My fear with these types of products is technology will outpace its useful life unlike passive speakers. A lifestyle speaker, yes. Convenient, definitely. Soon an IPad is going to be part of everyone’s system because of the apps that one needs with these products.
Hi Andrew! Can I kindly ask for advice? Looking back at LS60 and R11 meta, how would you in your words compare them? Thank you in advance!
Great review once again guys. Love how you tackle different parts of the equation each time. A couple of things regarding your final question: this is the closest I've ever been to show real interest towards active speakers. Between the brand reputation, the design, the features... It's got it all. (and indeed, KEF's move to give them some of Blade's look is brilliant as I justify its high price as getting a good deal on "mini-blades""!) so why is it I'm still hesitating... Simply because I fear the expensive all-in-one concept that can die on you for so many reasons once the warranty expires...and you end up having an expensive yet useless piece of gear if that happens. So what would it take for me to get this? A very long warranty period (I'd say 7+) as well as a promise on trade-in value... Electronics and software simply evolve too fast for me to commit to something like this! Bluetooth codecs, DAC chips and digital format compatibility, wifi norms, etc. When I buy a good pair of speakers and an amplifier, I'm likely to keep it alive for 20+ years. This is not the same. So I need peace of mind. This all-in-one trend is trendy because it streamlines the whole hi-fi ecosystem. Yet it goes against current planet concerns and all that we should all buy something durable, upgradable, easy to repair... A great pair of speakers, a quality integrated, and cheap yet good DAC/streamer will not cost more, and upgrading the Streamer/DAC will cost nothing vs changing the entire system. YET, I think KEF knocked it out of the park! Just my (very long) 2-cents!
Oups, forgot one thing... "Bluetooth 4.2?!" LOL. That says it all about future upgradability! That plus ever changing HDMI standards and hand-shake issues... Likely more problems going forward. Nope, probably not ready to jump in just quite yet unless it's part of some kind of subscription scheme whereby I pay monthly fees and they send me new products every 2-3 years or so...
Raphael….I totally agree with you. See my comments. It’s just too much money and too much long term risk, even as a KEF passive speakers fan / owner. Cheers!
After long consideration for our apartment, I decided on a Bluesoun Node with 'vintage' B&O Beosound 8000 powered speakers with a Heco Sub 88F mounted on the wall behind our tv. Doing so achieves something like what Kristy was describing with the brain (Bluesound node) sitting in the media console connected to Ethernet and our TV through HDMI Arc. As a result, there is only a sole RCA cable and power cord running to each speaker (still covered in cable wrap for a clean look) for a girlriend-approved clean look for just €1500 (
Thank you Kristi for bringing the B&W Duo... I was hoping for that.
I just heard these in the UK at the NW Audio Show and they sounded fantastic. I had no idea it was a powered all in one speaker system.
Great Sunday as always with you both! QOTD: I am really looking closely at the LS50 Wireless II’s but Andrew’s “cable salad” warning gives me pause. Thank you and love the channel!
Thanks for watching!
Watching you present your review is enjoyable. Great thoughts. 👍
Great review A&K! Can't wait to hear these for myself someday and would love to hear the Buchardt A700 to compare as well. An AIO wireless solutions with DSP and tuning options sounds like the future of audio to me. I will say I do notice a degradation of sound quality using bluetooth and youtube compression but I don't have experience with the SQ of wireless speakers.
I love ❤️ the dialogue between you two. Great video. My only gripe with these powered / activespeakers is that they don't have room correction. Yes, the App allows you to tweak, but room correction trumps it.
We appreciate you watching to the end, Evert!
Andrew, you space for reviewing gear is so damn gorgeous. I can tell it gets good light for filming. Granted one side is better lit than the other but that just adds to overall texture.
Also a great wall to show off your TV artwork.
These KEFs look so at-home there.
Do you feel invigorated when you walk into that room?
Great review as always! Y'all rock! And I hear ya on the cable salad issue. I had powered bookshelves and switched to passive speakers because I hated all the cables hanging off the back.
8 days of solid listening ( music & TV) - even took a few days off to sit and enjoy. Running software 1.1 and have had zero drop outs. Connected to a Samsung Frame (2021) via eARC and no issues there…
Thank you for this. I just ordered an 85” Frame and I wanted to combine it with a pair of LS60’s and a Klipsch sub. Any reason why you chose eARC over optical?
Awesome review. The room layout looks nice with the tech. Can't wait to hear those...
Solid review as always- the b-roll was sensational, I doubt Kef could show these off better themselves!
Andrew is a master at b-roll!
@@KristiWright I kinda get the impression Andy didn’t like these much, perhaps in spite of their performance. I might be reading between the lines here, but there was a distinct lack of gushing, like they impressed, but you guys didn’t fall in love with them.
I wonder if you (Kristi) nailed it: they just aren’t priced cheap enough to cause a sensation in terms of value, and their performance isn’t ambitious enough to put rival $5000+ options to the sword. Like they fall victim of being very, very good at everything, but unbeatable at nothing?
Anyway, thanks as always!
@@AnotherAnonymousMan Not sure who Andy is but yes, I think you might be misreading Andrew's feelings here. He really does like them. :)
I think "audiophiles" will use the LS60 price as just another reason to 💩talk powered speakers but yeah, I believe if they were about a thousand less, it would be a much easier purchase for the masses.
@@KristiWright 😅 appolgies, Andy is the shortened version of Andrew where I'm from, bit of a silly habit!
I've lived with the original LS50Ws for around 5 years now and I don't have the "active anxiety" common among audiophiles (partly because they actually broke out of warranty and Kef were delightful about getting the repair done).
I'm almost certain I'll be getting these since they look like the upgrade I've been dreaming of. The approachability and inclusiveness for friends and family from their ease of use have become a must have for me. LS50Ws made Hi-fi sharable as an interest where expensive separates were off putting/ intimidating and that's a non-negotiable now.
The hiss is the noise floor of the dsp unit which has been measured plenty. Great unit, and can do some really in depth processing
Thanks to your review, I ordered and have them coming soon 😊
Have fun! Thanks for your support!
Excellent review Andrew and Kristi. The message I took from this review is that the user case doesn't really stack up if you intend to hardwire a slew of components to the LS60s. Good quality 2 or 3 or 4 metre digital, RCA or HDMI cables are going to cost hundreds of dollars and you'll end up with a spaghetti junction. May as well stick to passives in that case. If on the other hand, you intend to operate them just using their internal streaming (possibly with a TV attached), you'll get a very clean looking set up. So it is horses for courses.
Andrew/Kristi, the question was asked “what would it take for me to adopt a system like this…”
Well yesterday I did, but my choice was the Dynaudio Focus 30.
Firstly over a week I reviewed in a listening room a number of systems. It came down to two. Naim Uniti Nova/Q Acoustic 50’s and Focus 30’s
Talk about a difficult decision.
Ultimately (for me) the decision was based on
1) I preferred the sound of Focus 30’s, broad sound stage, crisp, clear, good bass (not looking for a cinema experience), excellent midrange.
2) Cheaper than Naim/Q combination
3) Cheaper than #2 plus added cost of speaker cables.
4) Simpler than trying to match the ‘best’ speaker cables for #2
5) I live in a Victorian house with fireplaces. I can’t run cables behind my equipment stand, the Focus 😊are wireless. Just a power cable each
The Focus range connects with WiSA to all my sources, I predominantly stream and watch TV.
7) If I want to listen to hi-res music I can wire connect a DAC from my source for that experience, but I don’t do that every day. Most days I just want to listen to music while I …do other stuff. But I still have the option for 24 bit 192 kHz when I choose and that’s enough for me.
8) They have settings to compensate for room placement
9) They have built-in Dirac room correction for fine tuning (license required)
10 Aesthetically pleasing danish design fits into my room without dominating it, 40 year track record of producing quality equipment, great manufacturing quality, easy to use app, and reasonable quality remote 🤪
Awesome review once again. I don’t think I like the idea of dealing with a cable management problem with the speaker, but having an app to optimize its sound is attractive. At this price range there are lot more options to consider for a hifi system. Thanks and please keep the reviews coming 😀.
Another great review. If I had a larger space, I would definitely want these. Stunning look, IMO.
Great review again. I did a lot of research on the LS50WII. You see them always very close to the wall in pictures. The rear port design was the decision for me. Just to be sure it works in my space, I decided on front ported bookshelf speakers. SF Sonetto II.
I active vs passive has it pro and con. Many you mentioned in this video.
Based on your previous videos, I paired the Sonetto II with the MF MS5i.
These speakers are closed enclosures. No rear port. You can have them close to the wall.
It's kinda cool you can play with the sound like that
Andrew, thanks for the great review on the ls60s! I loved hearing your comparison with the 28s. I have heard the B&O 28s and the ls50s with a sub and actually thought they came pretty close. I returned the 28s for the Beolab 20s hooked up to a NAD c700 and WHAT.A.SPEAKER. They are truly a full range experience. From my listening the 20s outshine the 28s because of the bass response from their 10" woofers and the acoustic lens for the tweeter. I really wish you could get ahold of a pair and review them here on your channel. I think they may be discontinued, but the reps at B&O all seem to prefer the 20s over pretty much everything in their lineup save the 40K Beolab 50s.
I can’t wait for you to review the lsx 2 next!
"I'm sorry, Dave, but I can't allow you to play that song."
Daisy…..
Answer to QOTD for me is HDMI arc. Because of where I would be using active speakers with functionality as such (family room/main casual tv and music), I just want one remote to do all. Currently I have an Evo 150 powering Kef R3’s into TV HDMI arc. I use the Nvidia plugged into the tv for streaming. TH-cam tv is preferred casual tv watching. So the Nvidia remote triggers tv and evo to power on and volume control. If I stream/cast to Evo it’ll switch inputs automatically. This TV, and Evo remote go into hiding. And it becomes seamless for non technical family members. I’d love to have the same functionality with LS60 which would clear the table of the Evo and just have the speakers. With the cost of speakers, speaker wire, stands, and amp im almost at the cost of the LS60’s.
Meanwhile, the Blade looks like a Portal turret.
As someone who is interested in tech and only just entering the audio space, I am starting to build out my first HT room and finding this space fairly primitive. I know i ll get hate for this but here is my objective view.First You buy a set of speakers. Then you get told you need a good amp to get the best out of them(which costs more than the speaker). If you get the wrong amp your speakers might not sound as they are suppose to. Then people tell you if you get a processor it will be a game changer. Add in cost of cables and installation. Now you have to live with the sound your speaker creates whether you like it or not and there is very little adjustments.
Alternative: you buy a set of powered speakers like Kefs but then you end up spending more money than having similar sounding speakers + amp + cables + installation etc. How do you win as a customer? Ideally, if speaker manufacturers weren't too uptight and focused on milking(fooling) the enthusiasts, they would have done away with the Amp/pre amp a long time ago and make the speaker tones adjustable to the liking of the consumers. I know there will be differences based on materials involved in construction but you would have a choice.
Great review guys. I have a pair of ls50 wireless 2, and I experience a lot of signal drops outs when using wifi and hdmi connection. I actually on Friday sent my speakers back to Kef to check them. If I’m going to continue to have these drop outs, I’ll have to give them back and buy something else, because it’s annoying.
Now that surprises me. My Dali Spektor 1s is one of the best small desk speakers I have ever heard. And they are mechanically flawless.
I'm not really a fan of KEF style speakers but I do find these quite amazing..considering everything inside and out. The capabilities are intriguing and i think I would be happy with an all in one type system like this, when normally all in ones or integrated systems make me nervous due to maybe wanting future upgrades. This KEF system seems pretty cool, maybe in 6 or 7 years I can find a used pair around half price lol
Can you go through the settings in details for the room optimization? I bought a pair and I’m using the normal setup rather than the expert setup. I would love to learn how to optimize these for my room. Thanks!
To me, it seems that the active (powered) speakers appeal much more to a minimalistic approach and I'm finding myself actually wanting to get rid of my A/V cabinet and it's contents now that the speakers are able to sound as good, if not better than hooking everything up to an amp (or two!) or a receiver with separate wires and cables for everything running in the ceiling or under the floor, etc. I was amazed at what the little Klipsch The Fives could do (and now own a pair because they're just so damn fun!).... then I listened to the Formation Duos and found myself thinking that I could be perfectly happy with that sound for the rest of my life (as I'm sure would be the same with these). I think we're still at a point where "that" sound costs more than I'm (personally) willing to invest in a complete switch.... but the desire is now there due to products like these. If I were to get the formation duos, I would also need the formation Audio to accomplish what these do, which bumps THAT price tag up as well (not to mention the ridiculously priced speaker stands!). If I could find 'THAT' sound for around $2-3K, I'd be more inclined to start saving my money for it (I know many of you have money to burn on stuff like this, but I'm not in that group, lol).
Always enjoy your reviews, thanks! Do you have a video or write-up recommendation on how you would go about dialing in speakers like the LS60? For noobs such as myself who would purchase them for their plug-n-playability, room correction as you did here looks intimidating! Dirac live would have been the cherry on top for these speakers. I did find your Room EQ tutorial on subs from circa 2013, your videos have come a long a way since then.. =)
I have to agree with Kristi. Powered speakers really need a central control box for all the cables. That fact alone disqualifies it for me. Calling a speaker like this wireless is a little bit of a stretch. I'd love to see a central box with the same great design as the towers, with the towers themselves only needing a power cord. A control box also opens up opportunities to extend to home cinema set-ups...
Wireless referee to wireless streaming capability not having no wires. There are plenty of speakers that call themselves wireless yet there is usually at least one cable - power.
Central box would be interesting option for people who want to connect different sources to it and speakers itself could have hi res wired option to it or wireless - leaving only power cable on them.
I have no place for this in my environment. Additionally, I think it is a hard sell when you can get the LS50 Wireless II, stands, the KC62, and the Wireless subwoofer adapter kit for 5K. Just my opinion of course.
Aaaah I see powered speakers are a hot 🔥 topic, love ‘em or hate ‘em.
For me in a small space this all in one system is ideal. I realise you have a lot of reviews to do and the work they take, but that said this is an emerging category and I’d be most interested in a side-by-side with the Dynaudio Focus 30’s (similar price)
Great review. One of the few I listened to in entirety. Love to hear your thoughts comparing to the klipsch la scala in terms of your forever system
0:45 You are correct in saying there are two types of amplifiers, but there are a total of 3 amplifiers per speaker. There is an additional 100W class D amplifier driving the midrange driver to give you a total of 700W of amplification per speaker. The class AB amplifier only drives the tweeter.
I issued a correction elsewhere in the comments.
The wireless aspect of these speakers is of low priority to me , the advantage is the active driver technology and clever DSP that is what adds to there appeal that and the gorgeous slimline looks 👍
Building a HiFi set up, I would definitely consider these. Though the lack of upgrade ability gives me second thoughts. Which is a side effect of their main feature: having all in one place. Using only these + a media streamer and I am fine... Damn - I really am considering these. I love the aesthetics and the ability to build a minimalist set up. Though the design of the B&O is just something else and I totally get the point: you see, what you are charged for.
I set my pair up yesterday - took the place of a pair of LS50 Wireless II - the sound is so much fuller. A friend came over and his comment was, “I feel wrapped in sound”.
These won’t be for many…
I am blessed enough to have the space for a dedicated home cinema room - all my black boxes are under the stairs in racks and cabled through the crawl , so I get the enjoyment of system building - but in our music room - I love the simplicity.
I love your channel and videos. As you said, after adjusting EQ of ls60 which can have negligible quality sound as beolab 28. Hows about if we also adjust beolab 28’s EQ. Which one is winer in sound quality ?
How did the streaming sound with the Hifi rose over the stock streamer differ?
Seems like an amazing speaker for the right customer! All in one, svelte profile, powerful EQ and the Uni-Q driver is second to none in terms of imaging. I just can't get over the imaging performance of my own KEF LS50 mk1. I've tried other speakers with better tonality and dynamics, but in the end I'm not willing to compromise on the holographic soundstage of the Uni-Q driver.
I'm curious what you thought of built in streaming vs your high end streamer with the LS60
Can these speakers be run effectively with a surround/home entertainmenet setup? How would the processing within the towers work with the rest of the system...I like them but not sure how they would work with a do it all system.
You have the most genuine and honest review, after I browsed tens of similar ones. Pre-ordered a pair of LS60W, due by end of Aug. I have similar color scheme like your living room, so my speakers are going to be white also. At around 1:07 in your video you have a very nice looking wrapping material over the cables. Could you kindly share its product info? Really appreciate your help and wish both of you a wonderful day.
Hi Alex, Thanks for tuning in! You'll find that information in the description box just below the video's title.
Thank you so much!
They do have a great design team for sure. Nice
Thanks for the review
Thank you so much, Craig Osterberg! We appreciate you watching.
I can't see myself moving to an all-in-one speaker system for my main system. I'm probably too much of a hifi nerd. But I would definitely consider it for a second (or third!) system.
Hi, thanks for the review. What were the crossover/dsp settings you applied to LS60 and to the SVS SB3000 Micro? Thanks
I have a totally passive system, based around a large slim pair of Kef floor standers. The total cost of my system is 4 times that of the LS60.. so, In that respect, I think they represent a powerful performance to price ratio. I’ve not heard them. I don’t think that type of set up would float my boat, but I never say never. Judging on the reviews and comments I’ve read to date, I think these will take off and could be a major influence on the future of hifi. I wonder what the pairing with the Kef KC62? Phenomenal, I suspect. Hats off to Kef.
Can we still use the ls60 in a home cinema system where we already have an amplifier and some speakers ?
I think it might be that paper cones ring on a little too long and most people are used to that ringing sound signature. I never heard an accurate kick drum (doof, dead stop) from a speaker (only live) until I got my Kef R900s (aluminum drivers). The resonance point for aluminum is way up in the frequency range. Paper, not so much.
Hi Andrew, you mentioned Meridian. Have you or do you plan on reviewing any of the Meridian DSP Speakers?
Thanks for the always entertaining and informative way to spend my Sunday. Keep ‘em coming…..and Go Team Paradigm, eh!! 🇨🇦🎶🇺🇸
HAHA. Glad to see you today. Thanks so much for joining us!
@@andrewrobinsonreviews I had to show up. Didn’t want to worry you both again.
Hi Sean! Greetings from another Paradigm fan (Studio 100 v2 circa 2001) from Nova Scotia.
Well done review. Just a thought that you May or may not have considered, for your Samsung TV, did you try changing The audio output format? I have found that that fixes some synchronization issues for me in the past. I believe that PCM is the one I switched it to, but I might be wrong on that.
This question came up on another channel and your review reinforces the opinion I expressed there. I can totally see the amp and crossover being in the speaker along with some form of EQ which takes the room into account. As part of that, the speaker could off board low bass to a sub, but that is as far as I would personally go. Another “box” can handle everything else and it can be connected to the maze of wires for all the input devices. I just don’t see the advantage of this setup. I’d rather have the box with all the connections and then be wirelessly connected to the speakers and have the ability to position the speakers wherever I want without worrying about cable clutter.
Agree, and that input/ transmitter box may also offer an option for adding wireless surround sound speakers.
On value. For the same quality sound what would you need to spend for equivalent separates?
If i didn't already have the LS50 Meta's, KC62, Rotel RA1572 & bluenode i might have considered but it sounds like these 60's are same same but different.
And of course, upgrading is an option with my current set up.
As always, great review, thanks for that.
Stay 100 homie!
I will be getting a pair in the next year or so. Love my kef q750s. Worth the money IMO once you price out some of the competitors.
Love the review. My pair arrive tomorrow.
Slight correction. You said there are two amps a 100 watt a/b for the highs and mids and a 500 watt class d for the base drivers.
There are three amps:
100 watt a/b for the highs
100 watt d for the mids
500 watt d for the base
In each speaker…
For me to take in a full-built in sound system.... It would take a great warranty coverage. Last time I checked KEF offers a 1 year warranty on their kef LS50's wireless. That's just not enough, if they are confident in their products they should offer at least a 3 year warranty.
I want this to work as a surround system with a LS50w for surrounds and center channels.
Hopefully they have a way to calibrate it to the room so it's even, and the user can adjust the bass tilt.
Thanks for the review Andrew. I'm wondering if you can more clearly address the issue of multiple cables to the LS60. Granted both speakers need power. But, then couldn't you just use the pre-outs or hdmi zone 2 out from your receiver (or a streamer)? That device could manage output (even for turntable). So, then there would be just one power cord each speaker, and one hdmi (or optical) to the active speaker?
Agree Tom, that would be a much cleaner way of configuring the system (and a whole lot cheaper than buying a range of longer cables for each input).
Thinking KEF needs to make available a preamp that can hook up various components for us traditional two channel users with turntables and other gear. Love the fact with DSP you can make these speakers sound like anything you want, could easily see them adding in presets for sound signatures of their classic models like the 104/2 just for fun. Most concerned about its performance under 50db, its the very reason I like full size speakers instead of bookshelfs, most of my listening is at very moderate levels and very much appreciate a speaker that has dynamics and grabs your attention even at a half a watt. Considering these are based on the LS 50 Meta with not only one but two of their subs in one cabinet and the fact they have their own amplification and streaming ability its easy to justify their seemingly high MSRP.
I think this is the future, but I question how "future proof" all-in-one solutions are in audio equipment. I have 20+ year old passive speakers and receivers that can evolve and be replaced over time. I mean what happens if one of the speakers built-in amps dies in 6 years from now? Warranty and service options really becomes a bigger deal with this type of equipment. So I guess this goes back to Kristi's point, it really comes down to price point and given you're still managing cables...I don't think at this price this is the speaker/audio system I'm still going to be in love with 5 or 10 years down the road.
Couldn't have said it better... passive speakers can last you decades but amps and receivers never do...I couldn't bring myself to pay this kind of price for an all built in speaker.
I’m not in the market for a wireless system for one main reason : latency. I would need to know specs versus a standard setup. Random connection issues are a show stop as well
Here's my question: to what extent does the flexibility of a system like KEF's scale as the speakers get bigger and better? For example, the newly-released KEF LSX ii has the same KEF Connect app as the LS60. Does that mean the sound of the LSX ii is just as customizable of the LS60? If so, getting "smart" active speakers at any given price seems like a great idea. If it scales upward, it seems like you'd reach a tipping point where smart active speakers make the most sense.
I know you said about the wire spaghetti, but could these pair well with something like the Matrix Element 2i (using it as the source and for my headphones)?
Or would the LS50 wireless and a sub be more sensible?
Andrew, first time long time, thanks for producing this content and others like it. I've ordered these for myself, to replace some R3's I'm moving to a full 5.2 system with a T778 Reciever I'm building in another room, but I digress.
My actual question: FULLY understanding that every room, and therefore tuning, is unique, you make quite a few mentions to "tweaking" these. Do you have a baseline of settings you found more pleasant that we could work off of? I have an SB-1000 Pro and SV3000 Micro as well, so with or without sub doesn't really matter to me, but much like a certain TV review site has some OOTB settings they like, I wonder if you had the same for these speakers.
Might also be super cool for you to make a video about what your methodology was when tuning these for your room, and the related settings. It might be a little deep into specific LS60 content, but you might be able to frame it in a way that would be more appealing to a general audience RE the youtube algo's.
Hi guys, great informative review, thumbs up to both of you.... Plus love your rooms, very nice..
Regards Antony..
Warrington England..
Thanks, Anthony!
Andre's hairstyle in this entry is very handsome! :-)
You both are my favorite reviewers. Keep up the good work!
That's very kind, Ryan. Thank you :).