KEF's LS60 Wireless: the BEGINNING of the END
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Thank you so much for your hard work and for taking the time to do the comparison/testing review the right way. We appreciate ya'! Looking forward to Part II whenever it's ready!
I can’t afford any of the gear here but I never miss an upload.
I mean juuust saying.... Hear me out! Yesss I know the ls60 is hella expensive 🫰🏼 but once you get them you don't need anything else such as a receiver, dac, amp or a streamer.... Those things can really raise the price extremely fast.... With just about any other setups you would really want get at least half that stuff in which you could easily spend just as much and have sooo much more clutter.... Something like this could cut most the accessories and cost "a lot of Ephesians on the could" yes you could make a system for wayyyyy less but I hope you can understand my point 😂 ps I don't have the money to spend on it either.... The cool thing about building a system is you can buy things and build as you go but with this you would need 5k in your hands right there.
your review process and production quality are top-notch! I enjoy your videos more than I should even when I'm not in the market for new loud speakers.
Great video and great, GREAT music suggestion. Thank you for your amazing work!
Been looking forward to this upload!
Kudos to your work ethic and thoroughness. That's what makes your reviews so informative and entertaining.
Looking forward to part 2
Thnx for doing this. Super keen to get your view on these.
When I saw your short of the unboxing, I COULD NOT WAIT to see this review!
John, for you and your review, I will happily wait. Carry on, and just do you!
Really REALLY appreciate the value you place in side by side comparison.
Idea - Going forward with all the mega super streaming integrated amplifier reviews, comparing external components with the included integrated ones would be A) painful for you, but B) very helpful for us - particularly with things like phono stages, just to gauge the component quality in a similar objective-ish way.
I really like your room now. This new style is less contemporary and extra chill.
Fantastic, love your plan John :)
Beautiful! Even if it takes time, give us the best quality review as you always do! Please bring more tower speakers to this channel Darko!
Thank you for taking your time to review them properly.
Awesome content as always.
thanks John, great video as always. really looking forward to part two, definitely on my very short shortlist 😁
Love your attitude. I love your time taken to do things right!
love the philosophy here, the side by side comparisons are why i am here, thanks.
Yours is the only TH-cam where I actually love the advertising her voice is just great . 👍
Sold my Ayon audio tube amp, turntable and the rest of analogue gear 2 years ago as 4-year old twins running around in the house wasn’t a great combo. Waited patiently for a replacement that is more child proof but still up to standards. I think I’m rewarded for my patience. Thx KEF!
These are not child proof since there are no grilles on any of the drivers. These drivers are VERY sensitive to any kind of impacts. Don’t ask me how I know :)
With all those exposed drivers?! 😬
The Kef LS60’s are Not child friendly at all.
Would love to hear your thoughts on these compared to a pair of LS50W II with KC62 Subs (which appears on the surface level to be a similar spec and priced comparison) Thanks!
Yes ! You read my mind!
LS50W2/KC62 combo is $4300 usd at full retail, while these LS60 are $7000 usd, almost a 70% increase.
@@maxwellgriffith Or $5800 usd with a pair of KC62s, which may be a better comparison.
yes same I using that current set up
Exactly! My guess is the LS60 might have a cleaner midrange since it's designed as a dedicated midrange speaker whereas the LS50s have been designed to cater to midbass as well if required as evidenced by the thicker rubber surrounds. The LS50WII with dual KC62 will definitely dig deeper but then again might be much more difficult to get a coherent and perfectly blended full range sound as the LS60s with their Single Apparent Source design. Ofcourse you get the option to add a subwoofer or two with the LS60s in the future, which will add more price since the LS60W is already $1500 more than the LS50WII + dual KC62 combo to begin with!
Excited to see Darko's followup 🥳
Looking forward to part 2!
Holy smokes your reviews are good! Thanks John!
The wait's going to be agonising! Not that they're even available yet, but I'm immensely interested in these speakers.
The way John is teasing us before the ACTUAL review of these speakers is really the "Beginning of the End"... On the other hand, at least this title gives us - an otherwise predictable - sum up: if you are not into the hobby of buying, selling, playing with different set-ups, but looking for amazing (ultimate?) sound quality, services and aesthetics in one complete package: this might be the final destination.
Great video! Thanks!
Of course I can't wait! But I will. Because you're worth it. Thanks J.D.
Great introduction video. Very nice looking speakers. Can’t wait for part two. Love to see a comparison with the new Dynaudio Focus 30.
The most impressive speakers, I love them and also did a review. I throughly enjoyed your highly detailed audiophile perspective. Nicely done mate.✌
Looking forward to seeing the next installment! You are the best reviewer out there I guess that's why Kef shipped these 2 weeks before the actual launch. Keep up the good work! 👍
Thank You so much for the album recommendation. Had never heard Giant Sand. Love that album!! Such a unique style and sound.
Music recommendations can sometimes be a bit hit and miss. Not this time, you beauty, thank you so much for introducing me to this artist.
I'll gladly wait a couple of weeks for a good review 😊
Gorgeous speakers by the way 😍😋
Thanks for the Music suggestion. Really digging it.
I love the desighn Sleek n Sheek
Wow ! Thanks John room looks great !
Awaitig for new video!!!!
Can't tell you how glad I am to see Kendrick on the TV. I know you're not a hip hop fan, however I hope you joined that masterclass in hip hop John. He's a phenomenal artist.
Don't forget if you get lip sync issues (i.e. any audio delay) try disabling the phase correction/time alignment in the app - it should put the speaker into a low(er) latency mode
nice review. As an audio lover who loves allot of brands i always enjoy your reviews. Greeting from Eersel, Netherlands.
Your videos are eye candy in a 4K TV, congrats on the image quality
Very thorough. I’ve never been sure about the look of KEF speakers and think this is a bit ugly. I can see how others would like them. Fascinated by the location of the drivers and your comparison of this. Thank you.
🤗THANKS FOR YOUR MUSIC 🎶 SUGGESTIONS AND TAKING YOUR TIME REVIEWING THEM 🤔😍😍😍
🤗LISTENING AND PASSED IT ON TO OTHERS 🎶👍😍😍😁
Thanks for covering full sized speakers.
Hi John. Great review as usual. One day I will get one of those, hopefully. Now, it`s out of my budget. Greetings from Costa Rica.
Great part 1. Waiting for part 2, is like waiting for Christmas, as a child. But do it right! The probability of me purchasing a pair is very high.
Indeed a great album, thank you for sharing Giant Sand
Take your time! Thanks for the heads up, as I've been so eager to learn more, but I'd rather wait for a thorough, detailed experience and explanation rather than a description of the sound. I don't want words, I want connection!! Haha thanks for another great video.
Can't wait to see part 2. Very cool looking and I'll bet they sounds amazing knowing KEF. I just worry about active speakers with 2nd party components (e.g.., amplifiers) not made by the speaker manufacturer that cost $6,999 + tax (about $7,500 total in the US... certainly not pocket change for most). Replacement parts for all in one components could be a serious issue. I sure hope the warranty is 10 years for long term keepers of audio equipment. Unfortunately, there's little long term history on KEF actives to date with the LS50W only being out 3-4 years at most.
Yeah to add onto those worries, KEF has been notoriously bad with electronics. They use chinese amps that self destruct generally just outside of the warranty period. I had 2 active KEF products, both broke around the 2 year mark (kc62 sub died within the year).. I don't trust them anymore. I would love to buy the LS6 though, but I know I'll be mad at myself again when they invariably stop working.
Kudos on the Giant Sands Tuscon recommendation. Splendid!
i rly love your videos
I love my LS50 Meta/KC62 workspace setup, I'd go for this.
This was a great episode. I would like to put in a plug for your podcast episode about these speakers. That podcast is incredible. Thanks!
Hey! Thanks for the album recommendation. Love it! I have the LS50W2s with one KC62 just like the simplicity of streaming direct to the speakers and no need for that endless discussion about how much to spend on cables! Using Tidal the sound quality is wonderful. These new LS60 look great and I guess sound great too! Not bothered about the remote. I have never used it. I use the app on my tablet for everything
Looking forward to the second part of the review but the Giant Sand recommendation was fantastic, I discover so many new artists watching this channel.
This Giant Sand album is stunning, thanks so much for this advice! 🙏🏽
hail to metal ❤
Hi i am also an Audiofreak since the begin of the eighties you are an amazing reviewer ! and yes I can wait four five weeks or even more I always learned that let the set play at least about 150 hours before making a judgment at all.
Fantastic first part review. I completely agree re the remote. I’m totally convinced that Bang and Olufsen have sold more TVs from handing the customer the remote than any actual picture differences compared with competitors. It exudes class and money. If you haven’t seen one just call in and have a look. It’s everything this one isn’t and it immediately reflects on the experience. These have all the makings of being great and I’m looking forward to part 2
The worry with expensive active systems is the failure of the electronics. I've had three sets of actives and in all three an amp module died outside of warranty. The fact that KEF warrants the speaker for five years but the electronics for two is a worry on a high-end, high price piece of kit.
Yep, they're essentially disposable kit unless the manufacturer commits to support them for at least a decade - ideally longer. Just had a 20-year old Krell amp serviced. Are these speakers going to be serviceable in 20 years or will they be landfill?
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Ideally they should be built in a way that much manufacturer's support isn't even needed to repair them.
Anyways, in 10 years nobody will care about these things anymore because the world of digital trends will have moved on and most of the fancy-shmancy here won't even be supported anymore. Very short sighted decision to buy such things which will depreciate so quickly in value.
It’s not just amp failures but also app and software support…But yes I wouldn’t trust the amps either… they will fail its just a matter of when…
@@westelaudio943 I think this is how kii and D&D do it, they send you or the dealer a module you can just swap in or out
same here. I had distortion show up after little over 2 year. I had a KEF dealer looking at it and even after 3 months of being in the repair queue I got them back with the same issue, so I think this is a real and biggest concern of any buyer of this product. The fact they don't address this better is a big problem to me
Aside from the subjects, themselves, man - your reviews are a work of art, sincerely. 👍🏽
Legend! Yes i can wait, i cannot afford it sny way so reviews like your are a nice guilty pleasure. Enjoy!
Loving the addition of kendrick’s new video in the background. Speakers look pretty great too…
Just bought demo KEF reference 3. Wow wow and thrice wow.
Thanks for the Giant Sands recommendation. Listening to Tucson and it is fab! Sounds amazing!
You really worth it to be one of the very few on the planet to review this beautiful speaker. Can' t wait for part II.
One minor complaint: where's the review for Pro-Ject RS2T?
Many thanks for your nice videos. Greetings.
Together with the featured Suede album in a more recent video, Tucson was by far the best album recommendation. Thank you, John
I can wait
Thanks John - would have been interesting to hear your thoughts on the comparisons you have planned.
Beautiful ❤️🤓👽🛸
can't wait for the part 2!! and hoping that there will be comparisons with Ls50 Wireless 2s + KC62 and with the LS50 Metas + KC62 with price relevant amplification.
If you want apples to apples and you're considering the LS50 meta, which would require an amplifier stage anyway, then the R5 would be a bit closer in terms of a tower that doesn't strictly need a subwoofer.
Is there a part 2? I can't find it
Darko is simply the best!
I was about to say "man that's a beautiful print on the wall!!!", but then it changed, then it had a moving picture on it......and I remembered you got a cool flat panel TV!! I need to re-watch that episode!
Thanks
I like the woofer arrangement for that "point source" bass sound. I build speakers, and I have a different approach to bass source treatment. I also built up my own coaxial drivers. In my speakers I have the coaxial on the top of my floorstanding box but the coaxial driver is not quite in the box. There is a gap between the speaker hole and the driver that is mounted with longer screws with spacers. And the speaker hole is actually bass vent treated with a 2" deep tube behind the speaker hole. Without that, the speaker simply won't acoustically work (obviously). And (this bass treated speaker hole for the coaxial) also acts as a bass vent for a 10" woofer on the bottom panel, facing straight down onto the floor (with 1" high stubbs under the box for the sound to escape). The bass sound from the back of the woofer (inside the box) escapes around the coaxial driver for "point source" bass sound. And the source of the bass fired onto the floor has a vague source sound. And it sounds good low to the floor with that omni bass sound (along with the coaxial bass and the woofer bass around the coaxial driver). And there is always some residual med sound coming from the woofer (like with all conventional speaker woofers). And it escapes around the semi open coaxial driver bass vent and there is a very slight out of phase delay. But vastly most med is from the coaxial so the phase shift is very subtle and seems to add to the already spacial sound of the semi open coaxial. It sounds good and makes the room sound much bigger). I also have another smaller floor stander speaker made that is a very similar design in every way except that it's a full range driver instead of the home hacked coaxial. They sound great but the big speakers (with the coaxials) crank and have that big sound.
Seems like KEF mastered the art of the WAF. They look really nice.
If they would also master the art of making integrated amps that don't self destruct after their warranty period I would be a happy camper. I'll never buy an active KEF product again until I see some surviving for longer than 2 years.
Cheers.
Still look forward to your impressions part 2 though the share on this Giant Sand disc was most valuable enough. Damned good stuff John.
Rarely do I love something that I'd actually want to own one. I've been following KEF since the Darko Podcast on their smallest sub and I am continually impressed with their new technology.
Great video John, a very compelling product that's ease of use and utility must be off the charts. Always when I see something like this (all in one HiFi) I ask myself is there a pieced out component-based system at a similar or lesser price point to compare? Look forward to your analysis further along.
Do it right John! 👍💪
Just brought a pair of LS50 speakers, and they are astonishing good sounding Speaker.
I was so lucky to have the possibility to listen to them already. I was really impressed by the over all package of them. It is a fully hifi system in a very nice package. And most important, they sound really nice. Unfortunately not really my budget. But should I win the lottery. These would be my choice.
Nice choice of CDs!
Very interested in this set. Here in Hong Kong we have a few luxurious audition rooms from KEF with the possibility to book them for a hour. Been there a couple of time and if you need more time with them they won’t make a problem if nobody else is waiting for the room. Didn’t book yet, but certainly will do in the near future.
Thanks for the Giant Sand referral. I went to Tidal and listened to a few clips and it is a great LP.
Another great video. And thanks for the rock/country Giant Sand / Tucson recommendation. Streaming it now. I usually don’t get into your electronic selections. They make me feel like I’m in an SNL Sprockets skit. 😬 😬
My goodness, these are some handsome speakers..
Have you ever done a video or released a playlist of your favourite electronic music? I enjoy the music that accompanies your videos and would love to hear more. Thanks and love your work.
Yes! Giant Sand, Tucson, is just an awesome album and makes speakers come alive vertically and horizontally.
You do such a great job with these reviews. Always thorough, always thoughtful.
I have begun taking your advice and calling out reviewers who do “comparisons” without having the product on-hand to A/B them. In fact just did it yesterday with an unnamed reviewer comparing the Buchardt S400 Mk2 to the original. He touted the Mk2 as a “unicorn” and miles better than the original. When I asked how he could make such definitive statements without having the Mk1 on hand, he said; “easy, the differences are not subtle”. Sigh 😞
Keep up the great work!
Thanks John, appreciate your approach ito thorough reviews. Wondering how this would compare with the Vivid Kaya 25. Know it is a passive speaker, but paired with the likes of a M33 I’m just curious about the results should you be able to do such a comparison. Cheers
Very curious how these compare to the LS50W2 + kc62 combo.
A dual KC62 combo would be appropriate.
Interesting question. I would like that Review too.
On a whim I tried the Giant Sand - Tucson based on your recommendation. Totally hooked. In fact listening to it as I write this. Thanks. Tidal-Roon-LuminU1mini-AudioResearchLS27-ParasoundA21-DynaudioS40-VelodyneDD12+.
As usual loved the ls60 review. Waiting for the sound part of it. Hope you compare it with ls50meta+KC62.
As usual great review! Thank you. Given the internal DAC’s, I would be interested in finding out how they interact with dedicated external dac’s. Would it change / improve the sound dynamics (sound stage and tonality)?
I'm beginning to enjoy the music recommendations almost as much as the kit- first Tranquillity Bass and now Giant Sand! I haven't heard Tucson and I doubt it beats Chores of Enchantment, but hey- you never know! Speakers are beautiful these days, that is for sure...
Tranquility Bass has been on nonstop since the video! Amazing album, whole family loves it.
Can’t wait to discover Giant Sand now:-D
If you already have a good amp and dac, please try the LS50 Meta and a good subwoofer. This LS60 is packed with electronics. One small issue and you lose your whole audio system. This is a speaker set for design lovers (and also like good audio) who used to buy B&O etc. It’s not a set for audio lovers. They want a nice amp and a pair of real speakers, not a pair of electric car chargers in your living room. Said that, I believe that the LS60’s will find it’s way to the customers. They have enough to attract buyers with a filled wallet looking for a compromise to keep their wife and their ears happy.
This was the ‘entree’ now waiting for the main course!
Thank you, John, for turning me on to Giant Sand!
Good introduction
Hi John, I would be very curious to see the results of a comparison between the LS60 wireless and a Lyngdorf 1120 with LS50 + KC62. Thanks in advance.