What's It Like Returning To EVE Online After A Decade!
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After a decade away from EVE Online, I’ve restarted my journey to figure out what I've forgotten and what’s new.
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I came back recently and evidently there is a whole line of mining ships now. I looked like a fool in my little destroyer ready to jet can mine
Yeah the Venture is a better mining ship then a destroyer, 5000m3 orehold to start with on the Venture
Jet can mining is a violation of the New Halaima code of conduct. Please purchase a permit when operating in James 315 territory.
@@Drew566 the king is dead, long live the queen!
Eve is dead. Praise James 315.
@@Groza_Dallocort that's why he's jet can mining homie.
i wanna play a game not an obligation.
My brother in christ YOU installed EvE
Haha yeah, but it's kind of a different obligation. Kinda.
We use to joke that EVE was reality and our jobs were the dream world.
Eve today allows you to not play every day. Much easier to make money. Much easier to be a casual player and still have fun.
Returned from iceland today, saw this video and getting so nostlagic... Just downloading it :)
Finally somebody playing the game from the beginning as Amarr, my favorite faction back when I played EVE about 8 years ago. Don't see a lot of players doing that - almost everyone starts as Caldari. A Thumbs up for that alone. Would also be interested in a follow up video or maybe even a series of videos to see how you manage the EVE life nowaday. I might even consider starting new as an alpha again.
I was born Caldari but I identify as Minmatar
Great video, I played back in 2005 - 2009, then rejoined with a new character 2 years ago, took a year off (new little family member had just joined the house) and got back in fairly recently.
I will say, the daily challenges are not shoved in your face at all like other f2p games, you actually have to purposefully look for them, and as someone who plays just a bit, the rewards are paltry. I don't even pay attention to it. Once every week or two I check my rewards page and see if I just passively did some tasks and claim the free money which pays for some ammo basically.
The expert systems I never paid attention to because I kinda already knew where I was going to spend my SP, but good points as a new account. I don't even know if you can get expert systems on the market or in game, I don't think so.... if you can then I have no problem, if you can't then this is a decent grievance and a critique I will share.
Glad you returned. Hope you stay, I'm really enjoying my return! Did some trading for a bit to stockpile a bunch of isk, did some solo stealth bomber hits in null, and now joined up in FW. Lots to do, just don't join the Galmil and I won't have to kill you :)
I'm new to Eve. 6 weeks in, still alpha. You're giving me a lot of insight.
Hopefully it's not bad. How are you finding the game so far?
@@bucklinfondue pretty fun!
As someone who's played the game for much, much longer than I should have, my advice to you is to find a good group of friends. Faction Warfare is a great place for that, but really anywhere you can find a good corp is good enough. Playing solo can be pretty boring.
@@MnemonicHack Yes, I'm working on that, too. I joined Eve-Uni, and am startig to make friends there.
Well, I am done, gave all accounts away a decade ago, lol.
So I finally WON the game!
Sounds like what I did with RuneScape 3 back in the 2012/2013ish days.
Time for me to be evil:
You can set up a character, train it up until the point injectors become an option and steroid tf out of your brains.
I don't think I have ever completed the daily air goal once since it got added, the mix of things you need to do to get the 10k SP is too in the way for what I like to do. So I just ignore it, it is however 3.4mil worth of SP a year if you did manage to do it every day.
So it is a big thing for newer players.
Yep. Used to be kill a few ships for the sp. I ignore it too. Too time consuming.
I just got back into it too after a decade or so away...my once powerful Abbadon/Abaggadon (?) is now like a flying museum piece. I wouldn't even think of getting into a PVP battle with it now!
I have been out since 2011. How does a semi-pimped Tengu rate these days?
I looked in on my old characters asset page. Geez, I have some pretty random stuff everywhere.
@@bucklinfondue I spent a week once, going through far flung stations in hi sec, and just gathering crap to dispose of. Was like 300 million. My list looked a lot cleaner. But it meant all that stuff I left in Querilous found it easier to mock me.
An updated fit and your Abbadon would be fine for pvp
Welcome back from your extended break capsuleer. Many things have changed. I came back last year after 8 year break.
I started playing last autumn and I swear I had no idea about the dailys until today. Haven't cared about them so far don't think ill start careing about them now.
Its not really an obligation, I keep missing weeks or days of eve play and dont feel the fomo, maybe for new players it can be but it doesnt affect me and certainly many others. I even forget at times this daily reward thing exists until I get a notifcation.
It was what I noticed first. But I'll probably end up ignoring it.
10:23 With the Equinox Expansion they are moving to a quasi monthly reward track. That is fueled by daily goals but from my understanding you don't need to do the dailies every day to get the bigger monthly rewards.
This is also ment to replace daily login rewards so we'll have to see how it plays out.
Those daily login challenges are not something that focus should be put on. Many of them seem like they can be completed just through the course of 'daily life' depending on how you play the game. I stopped playing about two years ago after playing since '09, but I never really paid too much attention to the login bonuses. I can't remember if the challenges were even implemented at that point. But, my point with this is that I never felt like I was at a disadvantage, or missing out by not acquiring these 'gifts'. Maybe that's because I come from a time preceding any sort of assistance, though. I had grown used to waiting long periods of time for skills, many of the higher tier ones take upwards of 1.5 mil SP, where 10k just doesn't make that much of a difference. For newer players I can see the value, but I would still not focus too heavily on going out of your way to do them. The only things outside of 'null life' - (Winterco!) - I focused on were the timed events, because those were where the good stuff was usually found. Lately I have been thinking about coming back and giving it another go, I had some amazing times over the years with some really cool people.
trying to return again I always find the hardest part for me when returning is finding that really good group that makes me want to log in and say hello every day. and deciding to join a group and committing to doing that.
welcome back!
Please do Consider making a follow up video of somekind 😃. Your Commentary are great, pacing of the video are great, and i overall enjoyed every moment in the video ! (some great and solid points too) . Really interested on what your perspective on other aspect of Eve after 10 years of break o7
Agree with them… continue plz 👍🏻
Thanks! That means a lot. I will be trying to discover everything in game and not looking at outside sources.
it's still the best mmo
There's no other game like it.
i am in the same boat, about a month ago i hopped back into eve and was amazed at the changes
I was away for 6 years and did the same started a new account to relearn the game. Now I plan on using that account as a pirate separate from my other 2 accounts. Eve is an awesome game. Obviously the daily reward has been revamped and it’s not bad since its daily but have roughly a month to complete. Fly safe!!!
Welcome back... so, in case you haven't noticed it yet, you soon will. The old route between Amarr and Jita no longer exists, the shortest normal route now is somewhere around 40 jumps because some years ago, Triglavians captured Niarja along with some other systems as well and cut off the stargates.
Holy heck! Niarja has been cut off? That is quite a change.
I just got back into Eve last week. Instead of jumping in head first I started an entirely new character to re-learn the game from scratch and I'm loving it so far. Not sure if I'll go omega or not, or if I'll ever revive my old main account but for now it's a lot of fun. The daily stuff mostly doesn't interest me and I've never fallen for that trap. I play the way I want regardless of what may be on offer to do X activity so I'm having a blast
Stopped playing in 2014, came back in 2023
Still around though playing in bursts.
Welcome back!
Thanks! I've forgotten nearly everything and feel like I'm starting all over.
The AIR dailies are trivial for established characters, but huge for new characters. They're a nice catchup mechanic.
Between those, the daily login, and air career, I've gotten so much free sp. It's been nice. No waiting for skills.
I guess one of my characters is 9+ years. One of the things I struggle with to stay playing for more than a few weeks is I haven't found an org or community for "new" players.
try Eve University they focus on teaching new players about the game
I started in EVE during beta, went to boot camp and came back to the game once my initial training was completed and I was settled at my first permanent station. In beta I played the Mimatar, but I liked the drone boats of the Gallente and the lasers the Amarr used. I pretty much played the Gallente as my industrialist and my Amarr as a fighter type. A few years go by and I ended up getting deployed, when I come back my Alliance had lost a war that was getting started when I left. We transferred to another Alliance. I couldn't get my feet under me any longer and just never continued. I recently went back and couldn't fly any of my ships, 3/4 of my skills were not available. The new player capped out it's skills 5 million SP before running into problems and the way they have the experience setup it's not that long before you run into that. It's wild how fast you can train now, as a free character.
I heard back in early Eve you couldn't even que up skills. You had to set alarms to make sure you were always training.
@@bucklinfondue Correct. I was on mid crew, I worked 11 pm to 7 am I would set my skills to end when I knew I could hit the barracks and change my skill and get back to the shop before anyone noticed. It got rough if I didn't have a skill that was long enough to benefit this, but after a month your ship and weapons skills or harvesting started getting days of training. Downtimes everyone set their long skills because they could break the game.
@@bucklinfondue One thing back then, you could set a high rank skill say rank 5 and set it to train, drop sub and come back to it fully trained, datacores continued to stack up and orders still sold, take a break and return or play a different account, when you re-subbed everything sold and the skill was trained, gametime codes were much cheaper and lasted longer 90 day codes, escrow was full of scams, and you had to buy bookmarks to insta gate jump, if you didn't have them that 15km to the gate was hell.
@@bucklinfondue this is true, and worse yet you actually had to train "Learning" skills which gave you a bonus to core attributes first. It was basically idiotic not to train them as your first thing so it was like 2 months after creating a new character in which you were still with all your starter skills because you were busy training learning skills. It's quite nice they got rid of that.
I left shortly after they first introduced T3 cruisers. Firstly they were insanely expensive to buy, and secondly if you died in one a random Subsystems skill would be knocked down a level.... crazy times.
Oh yeah, and needing to upgrade your clone was a thing. If you didn't and you died you lost a shit ton of skill points. Was wise to ditch that too lol. Lot of good changes.
You just perfectly described what I feel is the reason some people are getting bored of games.
"I want to play a game, not an obligation."
Welcome back
I was away from like 2004 to 2019, pretty much felt like it used to, UI had changed but tons of stuff was still there.
One of no erors game I even play. Maybe in june I will reinstall me too, my caracters wayt for me.
I've played eve on and off from launch, I've recently returned from a 10-year break, too. Didn't start a new character, though, I just play casually nowadays. I'm just playing solo atm. This is completely different to my last stint, where I got heavily involved in alliance politics. I have 4 children now, so I can't dedicate that kind of time anymore. I'm enjoying it though, lots of changes but also lots the same 🙂
Same here. My play time is very sporadic.
There are so many games out there that I just accept I won't get every daily reward.
Thats fine, because in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter to my character's progression.
Personally though, FOMO doesn't really hit but I guess its why I enjoy gaming now more than I have ever versus when I was younger. If I know I'm going to miss out on something, then its just that. Maybe eventually I will go back to it, but its cool if I miss out cause the game is the game at the end of the day.
Ive returned after about 7 years, i used to treat it like a second job lol. id even take it on vacations with me and play on the beach or in the restaurants if i wasnt out exploring, and yeah its even better now, i can go days without playing i log in every day for the items ive got a 1000 day training skill atm
That sounds much healthier.
@@bucklinfondue yeah it is but im still enjoying it
i may have done this also .... then the wife put her foot down
regarding passive income: playing the market is still the most scalable isk-maker, but while a subscribed (omega) account can train tycoon skills to keep hundreds of buy and sell orders on the market, the free-2-play alpha pilots are limited to 17 market orders total, making "playing the market" as an alpha much less passive. This is one of the limitations that gave the alpha account the reputation of not being a free-2-play version of the full game, but more an extended version of the "free trial" eve had 10 years ago. Like, you can try out nearly any game loop Eve has to offer, but you're locked out of both the "highest gain" and the "mostly passive" parts of each of them. Which does make sense, because CCP doesn't want you to have an isk-making alpha pilot running in the background while you focus on something else - if you want "passive ISK", pay the subscription.
I went back about 5 years ago and the thing that surprised me the most was how much the playersbase has changed. I started in 03 and the mentality of the newer people…I just dont know. The game just isnt for me anymore I think. I am too old now.
I'm hoping the being older part will help me haha
@@bucklinfondue it’s more the personality clash that proved my undoing. 🤣.
The newer generations of capsuleers and I dont seem to get along. I have a far more bloodthirsty mindset and a “cruder” sense of humour.
But I wish you the best of luck and that Eve gives you some good memories. Personally I am hoping that Star Citizen will finally shape up into something worth while and that I am still alive when that happens 🤣
I completely ignore the air daily login rewards. I play when and how I can. For established players the rewards are minuscule.
Daily goals are just to pump the numbers for login recording, otherwise the numbers would be low, what really matters in the account controller, many accounts are run by one person, skill farmers have frightening numbers of accounts, null sec operators have many accounts, if you fly around you will see fleets of Adam1, Adam2, Adam3 in a sort of MMO many fear playing with others, fleet mechanics can still be of use to griefers, the corp interface is part of the same issue, give someone one tick too many and thats your alliance/corp gone, and possibly ships/isk/blueprints.
All of which add's to the distrust of others.
Took at 10 year break too , only played 2 years prior
It is not difficult to progress quickly as an alpha within 1 week and get to the point where the daily rewards are quite insignificant. Eve is ultimately a game of opportunity cost where fun is part of that equation and thos daily rewards become insignificant in that equation very quickly.
I did log in briefly about, 8 years ago? I couldnt fly any of my standard ships as a F2P character.
None of the ships that I had in my hanger were available to me and I just didn't play the game then, I've come back a few times but haven't really got back into it.
@@williamjones8775 Every time I think about rejoining, I recall the politics and general nastiness and I get tired. Otherwise F2P might have lured me back to being a paying customer. I used to pay for my account by in game earned plex. Mostly related to exploration.
Yea once they went f2p and new players are able to just inject skills and be flying t2 and t3 in 3 days I haven't been back took me years to train the skills I have only for ccp to say a big fuck you to the veterans
@@ejaybrady6849 Oh. That is disappointing. I think I was pushing 165 million when I dropped out. Had finally broken down and started training capitals. Mostly cuz you never know what you might get a chance to steal.
@@ejaybrady6849 You know, I kinda have the creeps right now. Just checked when the game went F2P and it lines up with a personal conspiracy theory. About Goonswarm, Russia, avenging dead friends, and DNC employees being mugged to death.
I made sure I never play again because 99% of my assets are sitting in 0.0 in a station where I am not a part of their alliance.
I just have to think about the potential logistics of moving all my shit and then I say "nah, im good".
the new daily login goals are way better than trying to do the old ones
Air daily goals are not daily login rewards.
Can still use plex to buy omega. Just open your in-game wallet.
I've been playing on and off since 2003. I often end up starting a new char to try something else, then end up doing random stuff on one of my old chars lol
New Player Experience and the UI gets an update/ rework every 2 years (not always for the better) but rest of the game...instead of reworking 15+ year old stuff they add new, similar things. Probably because the code is so ancient and spaghettified that changing a combat site NPC would probably make Jita trade hub explode
"f2p" is a lie, it was more true BEFORE the game actually was f2p. Back when plexing an account was
I've not played in 6 or 7 years and suddenly..... This is the first video i'm watching since the itch.
Don't like the daily login thing..... not sure yet. Thx for video
I've been enjoying it. Coming at it with a much different mindset this time though.
i hear ya bro i played for 5 years straoght 3 toons..and quit for aboot 3 years and just came back.
Welcome back to New Eden Capsuleer. o7
Yep left in 2012 came back now.
Make sure you download the software for your muktiple accounts
I'm not there yet lol. We will see in a few months.
The Dailies aren't that bad. Usually it is stuff you do everyday anyways. that free 3.6m sp is banger
It's been really adding up. No waiting for the small level one or two skills.
20-25 euros pr a month no ty i will keep my record when i left back in 2010
Agree. i prefer to pay a sub rather than have to woork to make isk to use game currency. its a game Not a job.......but since they put up the sub price I dont bother anymore . And CCP making mining an Omega only . they can shove the game up their butt
Do you listen to your self when you talk?
first half, daily logins are ok
second half daily logins are bad
Because only the Sith deal in absolutes
I also stopped playing around the time Walking on Stations was cancelled. That was the big thing I was looking forward to. It getting yanked away, along with a string of other failures since on CCPs part as been what's kept me away. I don't trust the same people who thought making DUST 514 a PS3 exclusive whilst their audience is exclusively PC gamers to make good decisions to this day. And so far, my opinion has been completely validated by disastrous expansion after disastrous expansion. I thank CCP every day for helping me kick the habit by being so bad at their jobs.
30k active accounts and yet only 5k players...
the multiboxing is a plague in mmos
AIR Daily Goals are reward for what you would normally be doing; and will quickly lose relevance for you.
They reward next to nothing for an advanced player and are meant to encourage engagement with the game. You should not be viewing them as an expected part of gameplay.
You also dont need to spend any time to get the 10k skill points.
Just manufacture an item and run a single mission; things you are already going to be doing.
Viewing the daily logins you don't receive as penalty's is on you. It's all down to perspective I guess. But viewing something as a penalty because you didn't login (when that's all you have to do, you don't even have to play) has to be a "you" thing. The alternative is to login, and claim the bonus, also a "you" thing, and you've no issue with that.
I'm confused.
I played for 12yrs not played for 4yrs
Your take on daily rewards seems odd to me. You could make the same argument for any content you partake in in eve (and really any game.) If you get into a Homefront fleet with some people and manage to do the content, you could make 50-100 million isk in an hour. And the required skills to be able to fly a ship that can do that isn't huge.
As for the sp reward from the daily. isk = sp, since you can buy skill points off the market. (Not to mention the fact that Omega time is also purchasable with isk.)
A new player would not be buying sp off the market with self earned isk for some time. And would certainly not be doing homefronts for a while. It sounds like you're referencing more veteran players. I'm talking from a new player perspective.
The dreaded dailies, as you call them, are mostly background noise. The isk and skill points awarded are trivial; and completing two of the four daily (which is all you need for the SP) will usually be achieved just by going about your daily business. Often it's manufacture a single item (easy as pie). Often it is one or more "kill 25 NPCs" which, if you do ANY missioning or ratting, is already going to happen. This only pisses you off for Eve because you have an advanced case of FOMO, and don't want to miss out. Might want to get that checked.
Defending it because it's easy, and not because it's good is not a defence. I feel you may just be numb to it from other games.
@@bucklinfondue OP's complaint is that dailies create pressure due to FOMO, and he hates that pressure. My point is that the eve dailies only save you TIME, and they're often completed without even intending to complete them (i.e. via what you were going to do anyways). It's not like WoW dailies, where you have to go do stuff you wouldn't normally do. Complaining about the Eve dailies is just... pointless. You're complaining about trivial levels of cash and skill points, nothing irreplacable or unearnable elsewhere - which was another of OP's FOMO issues. If dailies earned you special skins or something that'd be one thing, but Eve's dailies literally earn you a few credits and some SP. If that gives you FOMO, you need therapy, not a different game.
@@rainy131313 you've still yet to say what's "good" just doubling down on stating it's easy and insults. Either way, I just found out EVE is literally doing what I've asked in the next expansion but doing a monthly reward instead of daily.
No. Escape before its too late. Once you are out, stay out.
He wants to play a 'game". 😅
Spreadsheet simulator is still a game. Because it's in space!
Honestly an L take, "I don't see daily logins as bonuses, just the one i miss as punishment." like seriously dude they are optional and only there to help give people some direction if they dont know what they want to do for the day, a small goal that is easy to obtain and maybe will help you meet new people to play with.
Quit after the beta, never went back, and still glad I never went back.
I feel like things may have changed a bit since then.
How to quit permanently. Biomass all your toons. Never log in again. Did this 10 years ago and never looked back.
Damn. That's extreme.
@@bucklinfondue It actually was dude. I was loaded and gave away hundreds of billions of isk.
No disrespect, but I really can't get onboard with the FOMO feelings you have about daily activities. They don't give you anything that you couldn't otherwise get. So, you can't really miss out. My feelings are that they give new players motivation to log in and maybe try new things, all the while rewarding them. The rewards are super helpful to new players and much less so for established players.
And if you miss them today, no worries. Just do some tomorrow.
Anyway, food for thought?
I agree. But, what if instead there was a weekly reward with a far larger task and it gave you 50k sp. Something a person could chip away at throughout the week or if they have a single day to do it all. Because missing it just 3 times a week for four months is half a million sp.
@@bucklinfondue I think you're getting your wish. I was just watching the latest Equinox in Focus video and it reminded me of this conversation.
They're changing from daily login rewards to monthly rewards where you have to log in and complete tasks. You have a month to do them.
@@praesentius that's exactly what I wanted!
Day 1 noobs are allowed to pilot Asteros now? Fuck what this game has become. I'm never returning.
Turns out only for the tutorial. After they blow it up you start as normal.
Nothing changed you still can't fly a ship u give orders watch the results about as fun as watching paint dry for $20 a month rofl
One thing hasn't, you still need a mining permit.
Praise James!
EvE never come close to the game play that you get in Star Citizen. You're cheating yourself if you think it does. Trust me I played Eve back before it became a pay to win, had nine accounts. Even sold a Maco minor for the game. It'll never come close to Star Citiz
I haven't played Star Citizen yet. Definitely putting that one on the list.
Another cultist.... SC will NEVER be finished you poor thing...
I've played hundreds of hours of Star Citizen and I own a decent selection of ships. However, I much prefer the economy in EvE. Everything in Star Citizen, other than piracy just feels less impactful than EvE because there is no player economy.
I played eve since 2007 Eve went free to play and i logged out and never looked back took me years to train the skills for most of those ships and mods and drones only for them to implement skill injection and now new players can be flying t2 and t3 ships in 2 days ccp told veterans a big fuck you with yhis f2p and skill injectors shit
Its ded, gate camps.
Its crap...complete crap, Pearl Abyss added p2w skill injections and extractions and all sorts of stupid crap crap crap and more crap. the game is nothing like it was 10 years ago, Supercapital ratting is one of the new metas and just about everyone has one these days, its all complete bs lol
This guy managed to get his political ideas into a video. Bad video
Get to the point!!!!!!!!
Perfect example of the wrong mindset. The daily log in helps make your time more impact full especially newer pilots with limited time. All I hear from you is, if I can have them all, no one should. Your negative mindset is not a problem for CCP or the game play systems.
Not at all. My opinion was to help newer players with limited time by offering a weekly or monthly reward instead of daily. People may not have time each day but they likely will have time within a week. Not sure where you got the complete opposite.
LOL @ the issues with the AIR Dailies. Terrible take.
Maybe, but it's my take and perception as a new player.
I imagine as a veteran with billions of isk and tens of millions of skill points this probably seems trivial. But to a new player it can put them off.
i got the game after leaving in 2011 and all my progress is lost.........
Oh damn that sucks!
I took a four year break and I afk skilled the entire time.. I basically had to relearn the whole game Gain lol..
All the skills without the skill haha
This is a good video, if you want a corp that is very chill and no commitment while still having allies, access to pvp fleets and access to safe nullsec space, let me know with a comment of your name in game, ill send you a mail of my discord and we can have q chat :)
Once I get my space legs back under me I'll take you up on that offer.
@@bucklinfondue be ready for tons of free isk and omega time for that link in the description by the way! ;)
Eve has always rewarded the dedicated player, even before the free to play model. I do not agree with the mentally that SP can be bought for money and isk, becuase you can in other games. It was a bad idea, and the whole trope new players will not be able to catch up, is trash. It allows new players to get bigger better ships well before they have the understanding of eveonlines game mechanics, and in a game where pvp is not optional new players need to learn on ships that are cheap to replace. This leads to newer players leaving the game and feeling scammed by ccp.
I do agree with the new players spending beyond their means being unhealthy for the game. It's like when a kids first car is brand new and expensive. They should learn about the responsibility of ownership and maintenance on something lower end first.
Should have bought a permit