TUNE PORT TECH-L98 vs CARB

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  • FULL DYNO RESULTS-PLUS HOLLEY STEALTH RAM & TPI CAM TEST. Is the cure for TPI to simply add a carburetor? Check out this test comparing the L98 TPI to a simple dual-plane carb combo. Is TPI still the Torque King? Can carbs conquer computers? We put them to the test, along with a second comparison between a dual-plane, carbureted intake and a Holley Stealth Ram EFI set up. We even tossed in a cam test between a ,mild XE250 and larger XE268 cam! Tons of TPI Tech!
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  • @Bridging_the_Political_Divide
    @Bridging_the_Political_Divide 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Had an 89 L98 Corvette....insane throttle response.

  • @lb9gta307
    @lb9gta307 4 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    Low RPM torque feels better in a street car. Making power at a higher RPM can actually make a car feel slower in most street use. More low RPM torque also gives better fuel milage.
    I love the TPI. Best looking production intake manifold out there IMO and I like seeing the solutions people have come up with to make power with it.

    • @sogood4u489
      @sogood4u489 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      How much time do you spend over 5k rpm anyway?

    • @Nanaehhco45
      @Nanaehhco45 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yesss!!! TPI was (and still is) a great street setup!

    • @rotorblade9508
      @rotorblade9508 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      the tpi manifold looks nice but I like the SR as well, I would prefer more power although not sure about reliability. there is a max torque tradeoff so hard to tell which one gives better reliability

    • @lb9gta307
      @lb9gta307 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rotorblade9508 I assume you mean Steath Ram (?) which I like too. As long as you're not reving it too high it shouldn't hurt the reliability. I wouldn't be concerned about it.

    • @duog11
      @duog11 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Nanaehhco45 Red light to red light or windy back roads. m
      My 91 Vett is an absolute blast to drive! So yes it's a street car lovers motor IMOP.

  • @richardtisdale3245
    @richardtisdale3245 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Those ole L98's were tire stredders... they were fun from red light to red light

  • @johnrjohnsonjr
    @johnrjohnsonjr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Thank you for doing L 98 engine

  • @michaellehmann2803
    @michaellehmann2803 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Years ago I did a TPI 350 swap into a 79 Firebird with a 3.42 rear and a TH350 trans with a 2500 stall converter. It wasn’t fast, but it was a lot of fun on the street, and that car was a ridiculous burnout machine!

  • @camaromustangmods3327
    @camaromustangmods3327 4 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    13 dislikes? Must be Ls swap guys....Great video Richard.

    • @ocrapo9327
      @ocrapo9327 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      LS, Low Spirits swap

    • @mattmiles9779
      @mattmiles9779 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ocrapo9327 Your revolution is over. Condolences. The bums lost. My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me? The bums will always lose.

    • @ezduzzit8770
      @ezduzzit8770 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lool

  • @bobbyratliff3349
    @bobbyratliff3349 4 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    Just imagine how the minds would had been blown if gm would have dropped the tuned port 350 in there pickup trucks I've always said that it would have been the best pickup engine gm ever produced

    • @THatChevyguy91
      @THatChevyguy91 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I did in a 92 k2500 instead of the tbi system

    • @craigscott5661
      @craigscott5661 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The tune port motors were never all that great they ran out of rpm fast and the LS and LT motors are light years ahead of them.

    • @3.2Carrera
      @3.2Carrera 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks the joke the Corvette and F body guys say that we have the best truck engine ever made in our cars, lol.

    • @jeeptk
      @jeeptk 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The TBI 5.7l in the pickup trucks ran extremely well. I had an 87 k2500 that I drove for 235,000 miles. 60,000 to 80,000 of that was pulling a loaded car trailer. Regular maintenance and a water pump were all that truck ever took. A GM certa transmission at 150,000 miles. 16.9 mpg on the highway in 2wd and tons of power.

    • @3613jeremy
      @3613jeremy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Early 90s was a time where any HP gain was impressive so of course the TPI was impressive anyone remember the impressive
      CROSS FIRE I still remember laughing my ass off at my uncle when he bought his 82 firebird talking about how powerful it was

  • @johnebke8411
    @johnebke8411 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The truck use comment is seriously an identical comment my buddy made about a year ago. He loved TPI Camaros and still believes in a truck they would have rocked!

  • @johnm4110
    @johnm4110 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    TPI is great for the street. Low end torque allows you to run a higher gear.

    • @nedaCFilms
      @nedaCFilms 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Tuned Port was awesome stoplight to stoplight action! Those L98 engines were absolute torque terrors.

  • @jamesmumford774
    @jamesmumford774 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Your combination of energy, know how and curiosity is amazing! The amount of theory and combinations dyno tested by you generates a wealth of information! I can’t help but wonder how a TBI set up and an Accel super ram intake would perform on this exact L98. Thank you for all the hard work in the dyno room.

  • @Don-gq9sf
    @Don-gq9sf 4 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    I’d like to see an L98 build strictly for low end torque regardless of the top end power I’ll bet you could get nearly 550 foot pounds from a stroker tuned port build.

    • @richardholdener1727
      @richardholdener1727  4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      we did that with a 383

    • @unicornsteaks6769
      @unicornsteaks6769 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It was built stock strictly for low end torque.

    • @Faolan161
      @Faolan161 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@unicornsteaks6769 yeah, but... there is so much more low end to be had than stock as well....

  • @bdugle1
    @bdugle1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Amazing demonstration of runner length. Very informative! The best channel ever!

    • @buzzwaldron6195
      @buzzwaldron6195 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Even better:
      xtremecarzone.com.au/STORAGE/ARTICLES/GM/TPI/ComparisonOfTPIintakeOptions.pdf

  • @frankiodeelux3159
    @frankiodeelux3159 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great post - Personally, as a 63 yr old cruising guy, I like the stock set up for the type of driving I do (`88 C4 L98 auto - no frisbee) For street driving I can jump out of the hole and hang with a lot of other rigs out there. Great post.

  • @swampcrackeroutdoors3827
    @swampcrackeroutdoors3827 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolutely love all these videos and real world motor scenarios, and keep the “OTHER GUYS” videos coming

  • @johnhazel9986
    @johnhazel9986 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This video answered several of my questions regarding tuned port vs dual plane. Thanks. Putting that video of dyno tests on several tuned port systems sound great! BTW that mild cam caught my attention. I had a 208/208@.050" with 108 LCA and dual plane manifold with long tube headers and super free exaust 40 years ago. It shocked a lot of people. I cut the transmission cross member into 7 pieces and rewelded it so the exaust humps were lined up with the collectors. I also had to rest the weight on the cross member, remove the seats and beat the floorboards with a 5lb maul to ceate a clearance for the cross member. I always wondered what a tuned port injection would do on that set up.

  • @reevinriggin3570
    @reevinriggin3570 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Awesome information. The old Ramchargers Drag Team had some really interesting home brewed intake manifold designs back in the early 60's on the Dodge and Plymouth stuff. They did a ton of experiments with intake runner length. Thanks for the continued education. I learn something new every single time I watch your stuff. I really look forward to it. Thanks. Dig the shirt too, by the way. Great kids come from great parents.

    • @richardholdener1727
      @richardholdener1727  4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Westech ran one of the Dodge intakes on the dyno-amazing stuff

    • @ls6-ss413
      @ls6-ss413 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Those intake and exhaust systems they used to run were crazy😁 some cool history

  • @Kibz32
    @Kibz32 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This video really makes me change my mind on building my 85 vette.

  • @MJTAUTOMOTIVE
    @MJTAUTOMOTIVE 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Congratulations on over 70 thousand subscribers Richard. 👍

  • @lilibethdoherty295
    @lilibethdoherty295 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Low end Torque is always the way to go for the street !

  • @CallofDoobie585
    @CallofDoobie585 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I sooo look forward to these videos everyday 😁

  • @scidav87
    @scidav87 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I love the tuned port intake for a street car. Wicked torque under street driving conditions and looks wicked good to boot

  • @angelovasilikos7980
    @angelovasilikos7980 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I also remember people throwing in high lift cams in these engines back then. I guess that wasn’t the best way to go with the Long port runner. Needed these videos 20 years ago! :)

  • @Motorcitypower1
    @Motorcitypower1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks again for a awesome comparison 👏

  • @ElderlyIron
    @ElderlyIron 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very well done. It was always hard to convince the pups that it's all about where you want to run your RPM range on a consistent basis. The TPI was designed to get optimum performance AND mileage! Can't do that with the carb. It's one or the other! (You couldn't make power AND meed EPA CAFE standards) Straight from the GM engineer in Detroit back in 86', (GM Training School) the 700R4 transmission was made to overcome the mileage loss due to the lower rear end ratios that were used to make you think the engines actually had power! You hit the nail on the head with the runners and the low end torque. It was part of that equation. Once you run out of HP (RPM), upshift and catch the torque band again! I once found a web page (20 years ago) that had the Chrysler data on their Cross Ram experiments showing where the torque/HP band was for a given runner length. Haven't been able to find it since! It was fascinating. I wish I would have printed it!

  • @keiths9483
    @keiths9483 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great Video! Love it! We can argue all day about the merits of both, but the looks and quirky cool factor of the TPI cannot be denied. I'm doing a buildup of my low mileage of my 87 Corvette. For me, there is no choice. The TPI system (mine is ported), along with the "Atari" dashboard IS the identity of the C4 Vette.

  • @randysmallwood7577
    @randysmallwood7577 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Richard, my son and I used a Comp 08-302-8 on a 355 Tpi. Stock cast iron l98 heads were reworked with a valve job and new ls6 blue beehive springs and roller rockers. Topped it off with long tube headers and 4 th gen Camaro cat back. It sounds good and pulls hard. This engine was from a GTA and replaced the stock 305 tpi. My son is very happy with the combination of this tpi engine and the t56 transmission. 3.91 gears are coming next!

  • @tylerport1015
    @tylerport1015 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Built a 350 to put the tpi on with tons of research, Cam, compression, Injector size, gearing, power ranges rpm and this one video was a pretty good summary of most of it.

  • @Mike-yq7ce
    @Mike-yq7ce 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I agree the tuned port injection combined with the Vortec heads would have been a great truck engine.

  • @MLFranklin
    @MLFranklin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another great set of tests.

  • @Faolan161
    @Faolan161 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm a guy who builds for efficiency an low end to midrange torque for daily drivers. Most of what I build peaks the power band around 5000-5500 rpm. I've seen gains of double horsepower and torque from the late '70s carbed applications, with 30% mileage gains, depending upon application. Takes the right combo to do it...
    I was kinda surprised that carburetion vs efi alone was better for ultimate power. I always liked the feel of a carburetor over efi, but never tested them like Richard has.
    But then again, I spent many of my years debunking basic engine designs and "wisdom" from machine shops when they effed up my build..... nothing is more disheartening than to drop $5k on a nice efficient build, and have the machinist say it runs better than ever, and have it bog out in the low end. A friend had the same experience with a 383 K10, and bought a '79 f350 4x4 with a stock 400 that walked all over his "built" 383...
    It's pretty cool to see what works on the dyno, and what parts make what changes. I would like to see, though, more dyno graphs around the 1500 rpm and up ranges, where daily driving efficiency takes place!

  • @robertmacpeek424
    @robertmacpeek424 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is Awesome! Some Classic TPI love

  • @austindoud273
    @austindoud273 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Would really like to see a vortec test with the stock intake

    • @stevenself3396
      @stevenself3396 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      This would be cool. If we could get the Vortec and then do exactly the same compression/ cam for a 5.7 vs 6.0 rods also.

    • @darinr9424
      @darinr9424 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      tbi already runs out of flow on stock heads. it would onlybget worse with vortecs. 350 tpi dead by 4500-5k. stock tpi

    • @austindoud273
      @austindoud273 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@darinr9424 none of those intakes are vortec

  • @jeremymurphy7320
    @jeremymurphy7320 4 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    Imagine the odd feeling one gets when theres a sense of relief that it's a SBC test rather than an LS test

    • @richardholdener1727
      @richardholdener1727  4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      on this channel-we test it all

    • @austindoud273
      @austindoud273 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Who cares an air pumps an air pump

    • @typrus6377
      @typrus6377 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@austindoud273 Ever seen the old combo engine/air compressor setups? Take a 351w or 302, take one head off, put a Reed-valve head on it, then boom... 4 cylinder self-contained air pump. AKA Monoblock Compressor.
      Is it relevant? Not really. But it does fall in line with air pump. Random info of the day for you.

    • @jeremymurphy7320
      @jeremymurphy7320 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@austindoud273 How does an air pump an air pump?

    • @jeremymurphy7320
      @jeremymurphy7320 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@richardholdener1727 I know, it was mostly in jest. Definitely more diverse set of tests than other masters of engines

  • @paull9086
    @paull9086 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I loved the look and potential of the TPI system that I converted my 92 RS 305 from TBI to this. That was all the way back in 2000.

  • @sinistersilverado965
    @sinistersilverado965 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I enjoyed my L98 Corvette, had a auto with 3.08 gears, torque was amazing, but my 93 with a LT1 6 speed was the best

    • @mrq6r1
      @mrq6r1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

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    • @johntempest267
      @johntempest267 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      What was the rear gear in the LT1?
      I suspect that if the L98 had the six speed, and a 3.43 rear, the gap between the two would have been much smaller.

    • @sinistersilverado965
      @sinistersilverado965 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@johntempest267 3.45 with the 6 speed, no way the L98 can match a LT1

  • @muaminhugsy4964
    @muaminhugsy4964 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Richard looks a lot calmer than usual, it caught me off guard for the first minute 😂

  • @MrPdiggity
    @MrPdiggity 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I just "finished" my small block 383 i am using a port matched blended holley stealth ram air system with the commander950 management with stock c4 corvette manifolds and made 358 wheel hp. Made 373 lb ft , on a mustang dyno, with one of the flattest torque curves that i have ever seen. Now i need to make a set of 1 5/8 long tube headers and make over 400 whp!

    • @trillrifaxegrindor4411
      @trillrifaxegrindor4411 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      you must have some sick heads(or l31 vortecs)

    • @MrPdiggity
      @MrPdiggity 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You think? There trick flow 195cc heads that i just did some gasket/ port matching on with all the tests that these guys do on 383s i didnt think that i was making all that much power

  • @stvmassacre
    @stvmassacre 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good test. I have a similar build I'm working on right now. Except the L98 heads I have, are flowing up there with stock cathedral port heads. Can't wait to see what it comes out to.

    • @trillrifaxegrindor4411
      @trillrifaxegrindor4411 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      that's a lot of time spent with a die grinder,shame the combustion chamber sucks

  • @charlesdavis4113
    @charlesdavis4113 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    TPI on a 383 with a mild cam = torque monster. Seems like it'd be an awesome setup in a pickup or suv

    • @blair79bear38
      @blair79bear38 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Just run out of the air sooner on the RPM curve.

    • @Nanaehhco45
      @Nanaehhco45 ปีที่แล้ว

      For a drag or track car, TPI is a no no, but for the common sports car on the streets, it's a torque monster.

  • @1rolmos
    @1rolmos 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I had a FIRST fuel injection system about 10 years ago. I wish I still had the dyno test from it. Mild camed 350 w/ 389hp & 413 torque. I'd like to say that toque started to really pick up at 2300 rpm and maxed out at 4800. I had to sell it becuase of life before I was able to install it. Would of been an awesome dd /cruiser.
    I would love to see the tpi test you did in the past.

    • @adamarndt7617
      @adamarndt7617 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have a dyno DB with a list of people running FIRST Fuel Injection intakes. My notes say you had a 9:1 comp 355 SBC running 1st Gen Twisted Wedge Heads 212/224 .487/.552 lift and ended up with 380 HP @ 5,000 RPM 430 ft lbs @ 4,300.
      The Super Chevy Stealth Mode TPI article ended up with 458hp @ 5,800 RPM; 534 ft lbs @ 4,000; a 383 with Comp XR 264HR.
      RCS Racing Engines: Sells a 460 HP @ 5,200 RPM; 520 ft lbs @ 4,000 RPM 383 crate engine now.
      I've built a 350 10.2:1 CR, Profiler 195cc heads, Mike Jones 227/228 @ 0.050 0.600" lift intake with 1.6 RR; Lightly touched up and port matched First (Felpro 1206 gasket) that should EASILY clear 400hp; controlled by Holley HP EFI w 58x crank trigger, Vortec Truck cam sync, and LS ignition coils. -Waiting to get it back in my car. Just finishing up AC conversion while I have the engine out.

  • @justinwright6611
    @justinwright6611 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Never stop with Star Trek references!

  • @Paulster2
    @Paulster2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Haha ... I'm wearing the same shirt right now as what you had in the video :o) Daughters are awesome (at least that's who gave me mine!)
    You showed me some great information here. I've put together an L98 which is on the cusp of first fire up. What's kewl about your video for me is I was able to pick up a Holley Stealth Ram for it, with the 58mm TB. The cam in it is a Comp Cams 08-305-8 (.544"/.554" lift, 220/229 duration, 114LSA on 1.6:1 roller rockers). I have a set of aftermarket aluminum heads which flow 250cfm @ .550" lift. I'm shooting for 400WHP and I think the numbers you've shown with stock heads and a bit of a milder cam than what I have should put me in that ball park. I'm really looking forward to getting this thing fired and on the road.

    • @utahcountypicazospage5412
      @utahcountypicazospage5412 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wheel or engine dyno 400 hp engine dyno I believe with nothing hooked up to the engine wheel closer to 300 hp 330 tq I would like to see wheel dyno smoothing 5 they just don’t breath

    • @gregwestphal
      @gregwestphal 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      On a 385 (bored .040 with a 3.75" stroke) and a 224/230 cam, I made 342 rwhp and 335 lb-ft of torque. It was choked by the 1 5/8" shorty headers with a necked-down collector, probably would've made 360-375 rwhp with better headers.

  • @chupacabra5205
    @chupacabra5205 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Always liked the look of the Holley Stealth Ram intake.

  • @clintonmaurer5758
    @clintonmaurer5758 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Richard you should do a test the TPI on all the Gen1 small blocks 283 to the 400..... Awesome video

  • @ken5ism
    @ken5ism 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool stuff! Definitely one of the greatest channels I have watched involving my favorite engines. The Chevy 350 Gen 1& 2 rollers. My other favorite is the Chevy 305. Why? Get this....It's actually because of the way the Box Chevy Caprice 305's would idle so soft and quietly. My late Grandfather had a 1982 that would blow cold A/C and was so quiet you didn't even know the car was idling! Why I love the Chevy 350 is a no brainer....This is probably one of the only motors that I know off that will give Hot Rodders and Muscle Car Guys something to due on the weekends when there is nothing to do, because you can always add to it or try new stuff or combinations out. 2 thumbs up !!!

  • @Joshuaisafailure
    @Joshuaisafailure 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    finally, the video i’ve been waiting for

  • @sammybrasch4926
    @sammybrasch4926 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    How about 1996 - 2000 Vortec fuel injection vs carb?

  • @brianludwig9868
    @brianludwig9868 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I used to have the factory TPI intake on a 400 in my '94 Silverado. Good power but ran out of air flow too soon. Switched to the Stealth Ram and love it. I still have the TPI intake and plan to use it on a 302 or 327 for an S-10. Should be awesome for the smaller inch engines

  • @joeyjojojr.shabadoo915
    @joeyjojojr.shabadoo915 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Since boneyards are full of TPI setups that no one wants combined with the availability of aftermarket ECUs and the SBC still being the cheapest to build, this makes me want to build a TPI setup for my tow pig and replace the vortec TBI.

    • @Vekurus
      @Vekurus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Right? He makes a really good point about the TPI in a tow rig.

    • @trillrifaxegrindor4411
      @trillrifaxegrindor4411 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ive got a full tpi setup with ecu and wiring for a 350,come get it...need a long block,got a couple of those as well.

    • @trillrifaxegrindor4411
      @trillrifaxegrindor4411 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      even easier,get a vortec tpi base and add tpi at your leisure

    • @albundy8052
      @albundy8052 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@trillrifaxegrindor4411
      I need one, for a 1984 Chevy 1/2 ton.
      What is the price??

  • @anthonyborg5897
    @anthonyborg5897 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I appreciate these videos!

  • @shitbox7413
    @shitbox7413 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You read my mind Richard, a TPI style manifold on the Vortec 350 would’ve been fantastic, I’d also like to see an original TPI system on a 327, I feel like the smaller displacement would allow it to rev a little higher and maybe carry the torque curve a little higher in the rpm range.

  • @randallmason9687
    @randallmason9687 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Kegaladon! Best intake ever!! You better get a patent on it! It is going to look awesome sticking out the hood of My S10!!

  • @3.2Carrera
    @3.2Carrera 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I like the TPI for the street and have 2 vettes with them. One is a large tube lingenfelter engine and the other is stock. As you indicated the modified engine just amplifies the stock power curve. The LPE engine is around 400 CHP and still gets 30 MPG. My carb'd 350 is lucky to get a 1/3'd of that. So on the street the TPI is such fun with excellent response and it indeed feels like a bigblock. I take mine to the drag strip from time to time and it usually leaves me disappointed since the RPM range shifts much higher than the street. The cars low end torque makes it hard to launch with street tires and the 60' times are critical in a RPM limited car.

  • @andysteele4056
    @andysteele4056 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I just got my old IROC that I drove in the 90's back on the road. Loving the TPI torque, but could be a little faster. Keep the TPI vids coming. I like the idea of an optimized long runner setup, maybe with a little cam and some vortec heads. These parts are getting harder to find and expensive.

  • @66ElCamino357
    @66ElCamino357 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Looking forward to getting my 1966 El Camino TPI 357 in for a dyno test 😊

  • @user-cl2ls7kz7o
    @user-cl2ls7kz7o 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for your unbiased well informed experiments. TPI all day for daily driving. Less rpm less spring pressures and lower rpm for less possible ware and tare.
    It’s hard to pick one. Maybe average numbers would give a better idea. Also I believe a lot of guys have the shifting points incorrect for the tpi. Hurts quarter times extremely. For instance my tpi 350 tries to shift upwards of 4800 rpm which I think 4.3-4.4k is probably more in the max power range. .

  • @QHall86
    @QHall86 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I knew a guy that did a 350 TPI swap on a GMC Sonoma. That little bucket was sooo crazy 🤙🏾😂.

  • @joeala762
    @joeala762 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video!

  • @patmcgrath90
    @patmcgrath90 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Maybe modern carbs are better at this now, but in the '80s it was wonderful to just walk out to the car whether it was 0 deg or 100 deg outside and just turn the key and have the engine start, first time, every time. Plus that low end torque never fails to put a grin on your face.

    • @theeoddments960
      @theeoddments960 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      People just realized that phenolic spacers are a thing?

    • @gordocarbo
      @gordocarbo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@theeoddments960 They have been around forever. Look at a Thermoquad carb

  • @echadmiyodea
    @echadmiyodea 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the Tuned Port vids.

  • @antoniovarela6713
    @antoniovarela6713 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    for some reason i saw fat thor, took me by surprise. love the shirt. going to watch the rest of the video now.

  • @mattperkins7038
    @mattperkins7038 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Richard, I know you’re the guru of intake manifolds and I would absolutely love to see a shootout between the venerable 67-69 Z28 vs the L79 and a slew of aftermarket SBC intakes. Maybe you’ve done this already and you can link the test? Great work as usual

  • @k24hybrid
    @k24hybrid 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks!! Really awesome content!

  • @reinimechanic
    @reinimechanic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Depends on the day maybe, once on HRPT my small block in a 72 mailbu was accused of BBC after a couple rolling start races on the interstate, that day I was very pleased to have all I could on top. Thinking back on those wins just makes a guy smile.

  • @MrALTRD8
    @MrALTRD8 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really interesting thanks Richard

  • @dracer35
    @dracer35 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I personally think the TPI intake is the coolest looking intake setup ever. I've been very tempted to swap to a TPI setup in my 67 Camaro just to have something different than all the big blocks or LS swaps I always see.

  • @nadronnocojr
    @nadronnocojr 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video thank for this test ! Sweeetttt information

  • @CzechSixTv
    @CzechSixTv ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I find it funny that if anyone even mentions the L98 aluminum heads on a forum the immediate response is "Buy some AFR's or TFS heads". When you're 16 years old, it's 1993 so aftermarket heads are not near as prevalent or cheap, and an older student working at a junkyard says they can score you a set of 113's for $500.... You jump on them.
    After a little port cleanup and on top of a 10.5:1 327 with a healthy cam, those heads will support more than enough power for any 17 year old to be driving around on the street in a lightweight '69 Nova. My HS autoshop teacher pulled some strings to get the engine on a friends dyno. It put down similar numbers to the carbed L98 you tested(360 something) and the car ran mid 12's at E-town.

  • @lloydholt6511
    @lloydholt6511 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Always built low compression motors for the street ( max 9:1 or so). Built them for low and mid-range torque. Horsepower was nice but Low/ mid range torque busts the but best. In my day usually ran dual plane intakes with either two barrel Holley or small Holley four barrel. If I built one today I would definitely go with a Fitech or Holley throttle body fuel injection. I always kept lift on my cams at or below 0.550 with duration around 220-235 degrees. Lisa at or around 112 degrees. No experience with the tuned port but was pleased to see its torque production down low. Thanks for your tests. I really enjoy them. Your a great educator!

  • @baddonkey6876
    @baddonkey6876 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love the way you talk in this intro! i can't stand the stop and go way you do it in your other vids, this way is sooooo much better! Keep it up please!

  • @racekar80
    @racekar80 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This channel is excellent at disproving all the stories with facts! I am in the medical field, and we do many studies, your methods are comparable to our methodology. Everything is proven by Dyno results.
    Please do the stock intake vs. “cold air intake” and prove these don’t work! Biggest ripoff in motor sports.

    • @trillrifaxegrindor4411
      @trillrifaxegrindor4411 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      hot air from these aftermarket "intake systems" immediately make them too loud,too hot of an intake charge and lower performance.

  • @ilovethephilippines8991
    @ilovethephilippines8991 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Gee, thanks mate, very interesting, the thing is this,,, i have never been a fan of rev the crap out of something, WHEN, you can get serious grunt at a lower RPM, my 89 vette is SUPPOSED, to be 240 hp 340 t at low RPM, i dont know if anything has been changed Int, but it has A/M runners and from the runs i have had on the street, it goes way better than those figures.... So to keep the grunt where it is,,,, a PUMP AT 25 PSI, is what its getting.. thanks again for TPI stuff.
    Eddie
    Sydney Australia.

  • @ComfortablyNumb1969
    @ComfortablyNumb1969 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Isn't the additional charge cooling from a carburetor, partly from the pressure drop of the venturi?

  • @leebrady6326
    @leebrady6326 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video..! My neighbor has the long tube TPI in his old 78 silverado with th350 trans and 33" tires.. The power comes on like a light switch, but does not like to rev at all.. (maybe 4200 rpm and feels asthmatic - a lot like the 6.2L non turbo chevy diesel)...

    • @richardholdener1727
      @richardholdener1727  หลายเดือนก่อน

      the long runners are designed to make power lower in the rev range

  • @travisquintero8334
    @travisquintero8334 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Richard I watch your videos from beginning to end these are some of the most informative videos I've seen yet.. I can't wait to watch when you break down and analyze the LT1 and LT4 engines...if possible please let us know your factual opinion on the torque-head ignition control system vs the optispark system

    • @allanb3222
      @allanb3222 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I like EFI connections system, since It's utilizing GM components. You can can get replacements easily from any parts store if needed.

    • @travisquintero8334
      @travisquintero8334 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@allanb3222 thank you so much I'll definitely look Into it

  • @kylemilligan752
    @kylemilligan752 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Around 1989 Ford offered all kinds of support for the 5.0 pushrod Mustangs. Cams, heads,headers, rpm extenders, "off-road" catless h-pipes, everything. GM offered zero support, unless you were scca firestone/firehawk road racers. It was a curious time for sbc 3rd gen cars. A bunch of high$ companies selling junk that barely made gains. Throwing away the tpi for a carbed rpm airgap would have made good sense

  • @GlassTopRX7
    @GlassTopRX7 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That is what makes the variable geometry intakes Ferrari uses so cool. Pulling out all the stops is also why there 6.5L can make 789 net HP on 89 pump and still be clean enough to legally sell. That's impressive power from only 396ci all motor being a V12 just makes its sexier.

    • @johntempest267
      @johntempest267 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sure.
      Until you shell out $8k for a first service tune up at 5k miles.
      (If it stays out of the shop that long)

  • @cndctrdjful
    @cndctrdjful 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love the tq of the tpi. Especially from a cruiser.

  • @LTJohn
    @LTJohn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You brought up so many great points especially why GM didn't use the TPI engines on their trucks with the vortec cylinder heads. Can you please do a video comparing the l98 with the LT1?? That would be a great comparison.

    • @lasvegaslife5770
      @lasvegaslife5770 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I hope he does this video!!!. L98 vs lt1 engine comparison

  • @christopherduby5330
    @christopherduby5330 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome vid

  • @CallofDoobie585
    @CallofDoobie585 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Richard Holdener Dude I absolutely LOVE that shirt!!!!! I actually have the Othala rune on my arm for ODIN. SKAL BROTHER!!!!!

  • @steveblottenberger1097
    @steveblottenberger1097 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Carburetor and manifold been around for a long time look how successful they are at the racetracks

  • @duncandmcgrath6290
    @duncandmcgrath6290 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    At points in time I had GTA and IROC both with TPI ..... loved those engines .... great torque and long legs

    • @trillrifaxegrindor4411
      @trillrifaxegrindor4411 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      yep,thats something you do not get rid off.thankfully i took my own advice

  • @robertb3409
    @robertb3409 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I agree with you Richard. It would of been amazing if they put a tuned port manifold on a truck. Like the early 90's ss 454.

  • @LSswapGarage1
    @LSswapGarage1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    When I see this stuff it always reminds me of the thought of what GM was thinking with the trucks... Here's a truck engine that would have blown the TBI junk out of the water for torque.... and does. They could have even run the swirl port heads with it lol. Even better... release the Vortec head in 1996 and then literally put the worst intake and fuel injection system they ever created on top of it. Would have been better off doing a sequential setup with TPI until the release of the LS.

    • @Kstang09
      @Kstang09 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      What's worse is it's not like they didnt have the parts laying around.. typical corporate decisions Im sure, cant seem like youre lowering 'performance car' tech to the hordes of unwashed truck buyers. lol.

    • @wereexpertstoo3795
      @wereexpertstoo3795 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Spider has its limits - but it's not worse than TBI.

    • @superduty4556
      @superduty4556 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@wereexpertstoo3795 spider sucked because those bastards were brittle AF.

    • @utahcountypicazospage5412
      @utahcountypicazospage5412 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Spider was horrible not to mention one little piece failed the whole thing had to be changed instead of a 100 dollar fuel injector a 600 dollar spider system what garbage

    • @stlchucko
      @stlchucko 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Daniel Hoffman
      Never had issues with my 92 TBI. Fixed other people’s spiders. A TBI is essentially a carb that meters out the fuel electronically, and now there’s relatively cheap ecu replacements to be able to flash tunes.
      I’m all for port injection, but I’d take a Vortec headed TBI over the spider intake on those heads.

  • @BBBILLY86
    @BBBILLY86 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Agree 100% on your truck comment. I had a 1992 C1500 5.7 5 speed, 3:73 posi SCSB. I swapped an L31 Vortec crate motor from Scoggin Dickey, Edelbrocks MPFI vortec intake system. GM is always stingy on trucks and messed up for decades. The crappy TBI then the spider intakes on Vortec trucks.

  • @mikef-gi2dg
    @mikef-gi2dg 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent demo of the runner length calling the play...an l98 tpi motor in a truck would have been awesome for sure. For a heavy street car, drive in, foot brake et bracket car. I would go for the low end, the right cam, with a converter that would flash high, launch good make the converter do the work, when dialed in should be a very consistent combination that should last a long time...this is a street/strip foot brake et car...drive in drive out...not a 10:90- 9:90 bracket monster. With a od lockup trans, great mileage driving to the track too. My 75 Monza, would like this...hmmmmm!

  • @Patricks_Projects
    @Patricks_Projects 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would love to see a comparison between boosted high compression engine versus low compression boosted engine, same setup, only compressionratio difference.
    I would also love to see a comparison between longtube headers versus short tube in a turbo application.
    Keep it up! ;)

    • @trillrifaxegrindor4411
      @trillrifaxegrindor4411 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      differences are obvious,you dont need someone to tell you that.

  • @corykassabian8839
    @corykassabian8839 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cool. Got an l98 vette I'm gonna carb as soon as I can

  • @iamboney4739
    @iamboney4739 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ive got an l98 with the proflo 4 carb efi and i love it

  • @antonjimmy5636
    @antonjimmy5636 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I'd put a Centrifugal supercharger in the motor with a TPI manifold. Low down torque for street driving, rising boost curve with RPM to get top end power

  • @kemicalx17
    @kemicalx17 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It’s like you read my mind. I was wondering what direction to go with my l98 iroc

  • @blendpinexus1416
    @blendpinexus1416 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    tempted to put a variable runner length intake manifold on my daily driver to improve the overall powerband. that and some variable valve timing would be nice.

  • @7passu
    @7passu 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was waiting on you to touch on the topic of Siamese runners on the stock tune port setup

  • @johnc7431
    @johnc7431 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really enjoy watching your video. I have a 93 f150 with a stock 302. is there a video that I could watch that would put a little bit more kick in the engine?

  • @JEFFSTINGRAY
    @JEFFSTINGRAY 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In my zf6 vette a have a crane compucam an a lingenfelter manifold , was looking for higher rpm horsepower ,that worked well👍

  • @cheaptick
    @cheaptick 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm running TPI so i made the choice. The plan was to add a turbo but that would only worsen traction issues. Went there after running a small displacement with rump rump cam. The torque is much more fun.

  • @indamatrix9254
    @indamatrix9254 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Power down low= Red light racer👍

    • @billyboots3730
      @billyboots3730 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I can attest to this. Took a 97 skyline gtt for a run up to 150kmh from a dig in my stock 87 GTA

  • @1HotRodHudson
    @1HotRodHudson 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would love to see you explore taking the “factory TPI” up a notch to a “sleeper factory looking engine”. I, like you, love the look of the factory TPI fuel injection and will keep it on my 89 Corvette that I’ve owned for 20+ years. However, I would still like to maximize the factory set up!

    • @richardholdener1727
      @richardholdener1727  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have TPI intakes tests up on the channel, you can do heads, cam and ported stock lower (we used Extrude Hone), then add big runner, ported plenum and larger tb with headers

  • @VetteSource
    @VetteSource 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. You hit the nail on the head about it looking like a Klingon warship. It's not the most powerful setup but hands down one of the best looking fuel injection intakes ever produced. Only thing I like better is a 3X2 427😂