Use DECONSTRUCT Over Bait & Switch | Edge Transit's Best DPS Rotation
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 พ.ค. 2024
- Destiny 2 Into the Light
Deconstruct is the way to go when it comes to finding your perfect edge transit roll. The benefits this perk provides are insane. Increasing your total ammo reserves by up to 80% when used alongside sticky grenades. And with the roll I have now recieved those extra reserves can be unloaded at record speeds utilizing cascade point.
Cascade point alongside bait and switch will be the go to for most people but deconstruct ends up doing more. And there is not a dps loss either, since cascade point is active for 9 shots and this is not possible with bait & switch. Unless you have the double perk god roll, but that might aswell not exist with its current rarity. After being enchancable in the final shape this roll will become even more powerful being able to get off 10 shots at maximum cascade point speed.
The exact roll used in this video:
Spike grenades / Sticky Grenades
Cascade Point
Deconstruct
The other gear used is Witherhoard exotic grenade launcher and Twilight Oath legendary sniper.
Twilight Oath roll:
Enlightened Action
Vorpal Weapon
Why Twilight Oath:
A rapid fire sniper is the best option to activate cascade point quickly as only 2 crits are needed. While a void sniper could be used to surge match a 22% damage increase I still went with the twilight oath. This is because its close enough at 15% with vorpal weapon and enlightened action will add handling allowing for faster swaps. Since I am in a well of radiance weapon damage is converted to super damage, this alongside being solar will activate the seasonal mod Revitalizing Blast weakening the target. This will give consistent weaken uptime on the ogre. - เกม
2:20 back to backshots ong
I DID NOT MEAN IT LIKE THAT AAAAAAA
finally
Its effectively Triple Tap for Heavy GLs including the part where you get ammo from thin air and potentially cost nothing in add clearing situations if you get enough of them in the blast.
yes, but sadly deconstruct only counts one dmg instance (explosion for example) as one hit.
wave frames work, cuz they hit with differing timing.
(tho chain reqction can make it free cuz its sxplosion is delayed)
@@KFrascekyeah with chain reaction and the right amount of ads / hits, deconstruct can generate 2 ammo from 1 shot
It’s all about time, if the damage phase longer than 30 seconds then yes deconstruct is better
It doesn't need to be 30 seconds long. There are plenty of damage phases that are 15 to 20 seconds long and deconstruct will still beat bait and switch in damage
And it still has better TDO which will be needed for day 1 raids.
@@ThePackman627 there’s no way a deconstruct GL can beat a bns Gl in 20 second, DPS wise and total damage wise
@@id9ndooo776 I mean it gives you more ammo so yeah it kinda makes sense for it to have more damage
@@jackburkel4119total damage over 20 seconds, not total damage including reserves
1st row, Hard launch,spike,envious,bns - 2n row - Sticky,cascade,deconstruct
Peak roll
Nice quick vid. Straight to the point & testing results. Thanks Duqk!
The Deconstruct is such a good roll, I have it with Envious
HOLY SHIT I JUST GOT THIS EXACT ROLL YAAAAS
I've been trying to tell people about Deconstruct on Edge Transit! I LOVE mine!
Hmm.. If I can attempt and get this this will definitely be useful for smthn I can tell.
Great video btw
Looking for both envious/bns and envious/decon rolls.
So far, not much luck with edge transits.
Now that I think about it does deconstruct proc on the overflowed magazine?
It doesn't
Does anyone know if increasing blast radius on this reduces total damage? I got a BR Masterwork and don't wanna upgrade it if it works similarly to spike nades
Do we need Sticky Grenade for this to work?
Would it be worth it to try a damage rotation on strand warlock with a navigator grapple point for the reloads since you get a nice damage super too especially when we have star eater scales on warlock next expansion?
Absolutely, it will be considerably better. I just used well so I didn't get nuked xD
depends if that is the primary or secondary effect of star eaters. Only the primary effect of exotics are getting put on the class items. I believe Star-eaters is split into "Drops more orbs" and "Overcharges super"
@@LoakaShorts In the preview, it is shown to be the damage increase only
It must be tricky doing the weapon swaps with wings and not fingers
why does sticky grenades help? does it have a functionality not described in the perk description?
Deconstruct requires multiple hits to get the free ammo and sticky nades counts as multiple hits
Begging damage testers to not just use one type of damage scenario in their videos
THIS
My bro was just comparing
Hey what's the best supremacy pve dmg roll? Or what sniper is he using?
Id usually go with enhanced kinetic tremors as it only requires 2 hits to proc, then rewind rounds to refill the magazine
Wardens Law could be a decent Cascade proc due to the double shot.
1:15 Why are the Sticky Nades important to this? Do they give you more reserves? I'm not seeing that looking them up, bit confused here.
Decomstruct requires multiple GL shots to get the free ammo back and sticky nades count as more hits towards deconstruct because it hits multiple times per sjhot
Btw can can you take off the debuff artifact and solo operative when testing? It kinda skews the numbers up.
numbers doesnt really matter... in the long run of a long dmg phase decon will till out dmg....
@passive2529 well numbers literally do matter. Other wise you wouldn't watch this vid. I know long run it will do more but I wanna see how much it does in the average phase.
@Toffee-clan dude again in a team activity more often than not you'll have a well for dmg... just - the 25% buff..
@passive2529 scroll up to the original post. When did I mention removing well. I guess removing solo operative isn't needed but the added debuff skews numbers ad its not constant. Sometimes it's active Sometimes it ain't. He should have a debuff here and if he will then he's gta make it be there 100% of the time. Anyways I calculated and his true dmg here is around 2.9mil so far more underwhelming then what he led it on to be
@@Toffee-clan just suptract the numbers yourself..... the extra dmg test isnt needed
envious is still better for DPS since reload time KILLS damage and you can get off 12+ shots in one proc but fyi decon on a 4 mag GL gives you 7 shots per mag. Thats a whopping 75% boost to total damage if you're close enough to proc decon quickly (Obviously cant use envious for it though)
Can you overflow the mag with envious, swap to cascade and than use deconstruct with sticky nades? Does it still grant ammo even though the mag is overflowed?
Yep
Deconstruct doesn't refund ammo if the mag is overflowed. Envious is unusable with deconstruct.
@@xnyxiee1784 I wouldn’t say unusable, it will still refund ammo once the mag is normal.
@@butternutsauce Sure, I guess. You're still far better off running a void loader or two and Cascade Point, with a precision weapon to proc cascade.
@@xnyxiee1784 Agreed
So, was it ever confirmed how Bungie was "investigating" the interaction betweem Sticky Nades and Deconstruct? Cause I don't want to farm it just to have the interactiom disappear. Even if the interaction did get patched, what would be the best roll after that?
Thats not being investigated to my knowledge, the only one which might be changed is the double roll variant with both envious and cascade point activate at the same time. But that was just a twitter comment nothing confirmed there either
@@DuqkD2 Oh, I see. I misunderstood, thank you.
Hell yeah been using decon/cascade since day 1
Wait this works against anything? Not just vehicles? I've been throwing away my deconstruct rolls because I thought it was just vehicles.
same
Ayo we’ve been spreading this god roll for weeks and we got trash talked about it 🥹
Now famous youtubers talk about it and people be praising them for it smh
anyway! keep grinding gamers! 💯
This duqk guy makes some pretty good vids, i wonder whos behind the quack!
Just a random duck from your local lake :)
I have this roll with sticky grenades minus the spike nades. would it be better to run Boss spec or increase the mag size?
Boss spec
How are you getting the ET to refill with ammo?
Rain of fire exotic leg armor
@@drewnader1726 thank you 🙏🏾
how does your weapons reload when icarus dash? mine dose not .
"Rain of Fire" exotic legs
0:10 If I'm not mistaken, there is a difference between DPS and Total Damage. I believe you are showing total damage.
I have a spike grandes, envious assassin and deconstruct. Is that a good roll that way I don’t have to farm more onslaught 😂😂
Deconstruct doesnt refund ammo if the mag is overflowed
This aged like milk 😅 glad i still have shiny Edge w/ EA/CP with BnS.... Now that boss spec is going, can keep backup mag on guilt free as well
Typical bungo, still works until TFS I suppose xD
Have you tested it against envious bait n switch?
Less DPS, same total as Cascade BnS. Envious BnS is good when you don't have auto reloading things like Hunter dodges, Rain of Fire and Thread of Ascent as well as it is easier to people off as long as you don't die prior to damage
Yes it got around 3m damage, its a nice roll to have though very easy to execute
This thing easily 1 phases (1 cycle) for me and my friend in the warlord ruin dungeon final boss
People talk about the devious shiny combo of Envious/Cascade with Bait. BUT if you can get Envious/Cascade with Bait AND Decon ohh boy. This roll lets you optimize the Edgelords DPS/TTL Damage to ANY damage phase (short/long). So let's do the math for the drop rate for that bad boy to find the odds of getting that The UltraGiga roll per instance of BRAVE weapon drops.
Assumptions:
- perks (1st/2nd col) cannot be changed post TFS (confirmed)
- Attunement is a 50/50 in your favor
If the shiny drop rate is 1% (worst) then:
Shiny(1/100) • attunement(1/2) • minis/AugDrum(2/8) • 3rdCol(envious(1/7) • cascade(1/6)) • 4thCol(Bait(1/7 • Decon(1/6)) = 1/1,411,200 per drop
If the shiny drop chance is 3% then it's
(3/100) • (1/2) • (2/8) • (1/7) • (1/6) • (1/7) • (1/6) = 1/470,400 per Drop
If the shiny drop is 5% then it's:
(5/100) • (1/2) • (2/8) • (1/7) • (1/6) • (1/7) • (1/6) = 1/282,240 per Drop
Tl:Dr
Because you can't change the mag perks, if you want to get the UltraGigaShinyEdgelord with AugDrums/Mini for mag size + Envious/Cascade + Bait/Decon, your odds of getting the roll with a (1-5% Shiny drop rate cuz we don't know fs) per instance of BRAVE weapon drops is:
1/721,280
Or
0.00000138642413487%
Tl:dr2 electric boogaloo
You have a higher chance getting a girlfriend by saying "I play destiny 2" to every girl you see than getting the UltraGiga Edge Transit
Wait why sticky nades?
Yea thats cool and but what dps phase could a team actually use this on?
Caretaker in Pantheon. You are starved for ammo on the second floor so having the extra heavy from thin air is worth more than the DPS bump from BnS.
@@rentedmule169the whole point of Caretaker is to use burst dmg on him - also the reason why people avoid pushing his threshold on second plate. It’s more efficient to do heavy burst dmg on those two dps windows, than using deconstruct for more ammo
@@rentedmule169also you aren’t starved for ammo because realistically, you’re only dumping 12 shots (cascade, BnS Transit). You still have 14 in your reserves.. so what’s your point. You’re also forgetting people use dmg supers on him, if your super isn’t ready for second floor, you’ll always have it ready for final
Pretty much anything you dont need to use the exact setup here it can be adapted
@@Brehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh What about those of us who get off way more than 6 shots per plate tho? 🤣
how was your sniper reloading itself during dps?
Rain of fire makes icarus dash reload all your weapons
Also reconstruction reloads your weapon over time even if you are using it
@@yaniel6242 ok so rain of fire reloads all weapons, and ik that reconstruction reloads stowed weapon but he had twilight oath with other perks
as soon my stickies cascade decon roll dropped i started receiving invites to join WF raiding teams for the final shape D1 raid and they wont stop messaging me smh
You have it? Pleas join my day 1 raid team we will get worlds first I promise!!
So Sticky, Cascade and Deconstruct is the god roll? I heard that this combo kinda makes Deconstruct not work at times.
i have field prep. i think its better since the reload and extra reserves is always nice
It would be my preferred but if you just want to ammo dump any 3rd column is fine
Envious+Deconstruct is the one that doesnt work on the overflowed part of the mag, that's the potententially bugged roll
@@emanuelbica1013 nah not bugged. It makes sense you that you can't refill an overflowed mag. It's just anti-synergy
@@pupperaccino Well yeah if that is the case, it is bad design, not that it would be the first time they do anti synergistic combos. You would think testers would find these things before the releases but doesn't seem so
Love my deconstruct roll. So easy to use, no need to keep bait and switch up. Just braindead damage, which is good cuz ur boy is indeed braindead 80% of the time
Would you advise sticky auto loading deconstruct with izzi for encounters like caretaker and explicator?
Personally I would prefer a cascade point roll (probs with BnS) since caretaker has such short damage windows and ammo can be found if add-clearers use heavy ammo finder + scout.
Friend told me too use ET in pantheon the other night because I didn't notice the void surge and was trying to B&S with apex. So much damage. Only have decon envious for now. Gonna drop focus and farm for a Cascade point rolls as soon as I can
tbf, you also get the surge from apex provided you have overload rocket launcher on
@@life-destiny1196 I dont think you do since you dont have the text on overload rocket where it says that weapons that have this breaker will always be overcharged when overcharge is active
I wish envious assasin worked with deconstruct. As far as i can tell, it doesnt, but maybe im wrong
I thought Cascade would mess up the deconstruct proc?
Thats envious if the mag is overflowed, cascade is fine
@@DuqkD2 no cascade does mess it up as well
0:17 no need to remove that just keep it up with the next thing you were gonna put on the video.... just makes me have to rewind and pause xD
What exotic are you using or does it not matter?
he's using rain of fire in the clips, you can tell cause all his weapons reload when he Icarus dashes. you don't need it for anything he talks about, but it can help you out during dps for instant reloads.
@kajasimpfeed7493 thank you
Yeah its rain of fire, its nice for an on the go reload. But nothing is really required for this
So basically get a spike deconstruct cascade role
Deconstruct also means you don't need to be a Hunter to reload.
1000% agree even though people are sleeping on this combo
I think this is misleading, this is 100% a better overall damage rotation, but this does much less DPS by approx 20%~~ (excluding witherhoard & twilight oath damage)
But why though?
You would have got abit of more damage if you used a void sniper if you had 3x void surge on legs
Literally every person I've ran pantheon with this weapon has bottom fragged. I understand the niche of it. But in practice it's underperforming compared to cascade and bns on golgy and envious bns on caretaker
I consistently put out 6mil on caretaker without special reloading with sticky nades, field prep(not even good other than the extra ammo), and deconstruction. That’s in 2 damage phases. I’m sure there are better things, but it certainly works well.
Interesting test, unfortunately icarus dashing back and forth when you're playing with a team will likely kill them all, but interesting nonetheless, and envious + B/S will be better for shorter windows for sure especially without icarusing
Literally had a guy doing this during golgaroth kill me twice by flinging himself all across the damn platform while I was using b&s Edge transit actually infuriating
You can do the reload by grappling on strand tho, you just have no well than.
Use thread of ascent or dodges for this i was just using well to not die
If you are towards the back of damage you can just air dodge backwards and not affect anyone.
@@stevanhaire5300 yep 10 times lol sure
bosses are vehicles?
many of them are considered to be vehicles OR constructs as decon works on both, all depends of the type of enemy they are such as shriekers
The refunded pert of deconstruct works on anything. The damage boost is contructs vehicles only
RIP to everyone who farmed this roll, Bungie's gonna nerf deconstruct to pull from reserves instead of refunding ammo.
Sheesh
Hopefully no ads will need killing or you'll run out of ammo fast
Deconstruct works on ads too its not that bad for ammo efficiency! You can pair it with chain reaction as well
@DuqkD2 but the load out ..a special grenade launcher, a sniper, and a heavy grenade launcher , most raid, dungeon nightfall bosses also have a bunch of ads you need to kill before you dps the big boss, just saying ?
I used forbearance and swapped just before boss damage, swapping from special to special doesn't lose much ammo at all
You would be better off with something like field prep over cascade point, cascade fires so fast that deconstruct doesn't have time to refund ammo. you only got 3 extra ammo with cascade on. it would be 5 or so without.
I think the ammo maxes out with reserve mods regardless, but field prep would be nice for manual reloading
It has no issues, you get the expected ammo back so long as stickies actually explode on impact.
@@marceletta the first clip of him using cascade only grants 3 bonus ammo, less than you would receive without cascade
@@FilthyCoyote that is a sticky nade issue, not cascade issue.
@marceletta Sure you could say that, I could also say cascade is causing the issue because without it sticky nades work fine. That's just semantics, but my main point is your total damage increases considerably if you use sticky nade + deconstruct without cascade. It's 11 shots per mag vs 9 with cascade
Man I hate fkn devs making changes like these once I deleted all my Deconstruct Edge and Tusks 🤦🏻♀️
Explosive light ?
Lol bait And switch has the best dps(dmg per second) decunstruct just has better total dmg
The dps comes from cascade, you can get 9 shots off during a cascade window and with bns you will be able to do at most 7. So you are getting 2 extra grenades at max rpm increasing dps with deconstruct, it will be 10 nades when enhanced too
Great, now all the burgers are gonna think this perk is good.
Its because its good!
... We have very clear evidence of it being good
Use father’s sins for surge matching
If i do this and dodge in front of my team we will wipe , i know lol
Recommendations based on situations and reality:
Edge is a must, Cascade BNS/EL for DPS, Cascade Deconstruct for Total Damage
Exotic primary kinetic slot? Vorpal Sniper
Exotic primary energy slot? Personally recommend naeem’s with slice to provide utility for your team
NOT ANYMORE 😭
Still works until TFS but was way too harsh of a nerf imo, back to bns rolls it is
You can proc cascade with 1 aggressive sniper shot
That edge transit doesn't shoot that fast if y'all didn't know ..nice mod sticks or Cronus or scuff lmao
It does when cascade point is active bro. 👍🏽
Tell us you've never used Cascade Point without saying anything.
Finally people are noticing how this outclasses envi+bns. Less setup and better burst/total dps.
I almost deleted my shiny with that roll...
Don't delete shiny wtf bro. Just keep them
Solo artefact mod kappa
I get into arguments about this all the time. Deconstruct is an S-tier perk on this game. People just don’t wanna see ir
Be aware everyone: Sticky Grenades accelerating Deconstruct is a bug and will be patched on Final Shape.
source?
@@Taragon1788 They’ve been posting about it on Twitter
@@Taragon1788 they made it up lol, every single destiny 2 related account hasn't even mentioned the word deconstruct. The reddit account also hasn't even mentioned the word deconstruct. the full list of known issues doesn't even mention the word deconstruct. the only thing they've mentioned with edge transit is envious/cascade interactions with perk swapping on the reddit account.
Deconstruct enjoyers
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