SF vs Chicago vs Atlanta - Natural beauty vs. bad governance
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- Vinay Prasad, MD MPH; Physician & Professor
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Chicago has competent government? Is everything ok, doc?
Brandon Johnson is a far left puppet. Absolutely awful.
they keep the streets clean - but they do it by loading up debt and selling assets
Compared to San Fran. Just shows you how "crappy" SF is.
Chicago got a lot of propagandist basher in the news than the reality is on the ground. You probably get B. washed that way
The nice parts of Chicago are nice nice. The nice parts of SF are still kinda crappy.
SF can clean up the streets when overseas dignitaries come to town.
Chicago's leadership does an incredible job providing underserved populations with opportunities to collect spent shell casings from high caliber automatic weapons.
I'd be cautious about ascribing Chicago's somewhat lower homeless population than San Francisco to good governance. When winter drops the temperature into the negative range homeless people have a powerful incentive to either find a job or leave. Additionally, when housing costs reach the kinds of stratospheric levels as they are at in San Francisco, people with jobs end up living out of cars. Chicago's government could be incredibly incompetent and still never get the same magnitude of homeless problem as San Francisco.
There no "could be". The progressives running CHI are incompetent.
True
If Chicago is a model of good municipal governance, God help America. Drop by Michigan Avenue or Montrose Beach on a Saturday night in the summer.
I was born and raised in the old Cabrini Green projects of Chicago, and I appreciate your commentary. I don't agree with your point about Chicago's competent leaders, but I suspect that Chicago is superior to SF. In any case, thanks for sharing, brother!
Agree
San Francisco is a bad case of virtue signaling gone very very wrong
I do not ever think I would call the politicians in Chicago competent. It is being destroyed. I think Atlanta is trying to beat Houston for the Chicago of the South.
SF used to be amazing but has lost it's mind. I'm stunned to see how far down hill it's gone and I won't go anywhere near it these days. It's not just the city's leadership that's failed it, the citizens have failed it as well. Many stood aside while special interest groups pushed policies that felt good and kind but ultimately doomed the city. The city's leadership is also all to aware of how quick their progressive base will turn on them and hit the streets in protest leaving them scared to the point of inaction. Really, I don't see how they get out of it until they realize they don't have a homeless crisis, they have an addiction crisis and work to address it. Seattle and Portland are in the same boat. It's really heart breaking.
See also San Fransicko by Shellenberger. It is both compassionate and clear-eyed about the ideological rot at the heart of the city.
Absolutely agree. I live in Berkeley. Love California. Despise our government.
SF proves you **can** be an ideologue **and** corrupt; and as corruption increases competence decreases.
Yep, so sad. We live in greater Sacramento area and used to love trips to enjoy beautiful SF. On special occasions we would treat ourselves to purchases at some of the high end stores and make a whole day of it, go to the museum, Chrissy Field, The Warming Hut, all the places. No more. It’s unbelievable how poorly managed the city has become. Such a disappointment. At least we have our memories of those times. Love your channel. 😊
Chicago has good governance?! I wouldn't call Lori Lightfoot OR Brandon Johnson even close to being competent leaders... I'd say SF is the most beautful of the three cities, but all three cities are being trashed by incomptent "leaders"!
I was stuck in San Francisco UCSF when I broke my hip visiting my daughter’s family. My take on SF is that everyone (almost) has a narcissistic personality disorder. “Look at me and how (fill in the blank) I am.” if you are not that way when you move there it rubs off on you. My friend made that observation in 1998 when I asked him why he left SF. He said he couldn’t stand most of the people. He said from business men to homeless, they all have a super inflated opinion of themselves. Imagine thinking you are the highest order of homeless? Yes you would think you could crap on the sidewalk.
True. I would add that in SF the stink of marijuana and the junkies are at every street corner. The stink is so intense, that the town should change name into San Stink. It's horrible. And there is still so many people who want to go live there!
Hi VP! Chicago in the summer just cant be beat with all the fests and beautiful Lake Michigan. -fellow Hyde Parker 😊❤
Yes, it's lovely if you don't get robbed!
You think Chicago is well run? From a downstater in Illinois 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Coming from SF the bar level is literally shit 😅
Also downstate and I agree. 🤣
He’s basically saying it’s the tallest midget but hes obviously not familiar with our revolving door criminal justice system.
Downstate is full of people who can't afford a box of mac 'n cheese at the Dollar General 'cause they spent their whole SSI check on meth.
🤣
@@Logoticdownstaters hate Chicago because of its leadership and mismanagement... upstaters hate the people down state...
I was in ATL for a conference last July. There were homeless people everywhere and people sprawled out on the sidewalk and in front of businesses high out of their minds. And this was a prominent business district downtown. I encountered the same in Seattle, and I'm sure Chicago is no different. Not to diminish the problems in San Francisco (they are definitely worse), but just pointing out that these problems are everywhere, even if some cities are better at hiding it than others.
Please clarify: Are you saying SF's weather is nice compared to CHI or that SF's weather is plain nice? As a former resident SF, and to quote Mark Twain, "The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco". And he's generally correct for most of the geography in this city (cold, windy, foggy) except for some parts of northern SF during specific times of the year. The fog in SF is so pervasive, it has been nicknamed "Karl" to bring humanity to it as a coping mechanism. So yea, the weather in SF sucks and I don't know what you're getting at.
But what I'm really hearing from you is the typical grass is greener argument where, "The place I visited briefly is nicer than the place I live permanently." No doubt SF has descended into the depths of hell, but from a governance perspective, comparing SF to ATL to CHI is like comparing apples to apples to apples. The only difference is they're all in different states of decay, but they're all being run by incompetent, globalist, racist, progressive, identity obsessed, totalitarian, socialist/communists whose policies have effectively victimized the population at large in a virtue signaled attempt to never let any one single person be victimized.
That quote is fake, and coming from Michigan, completely wrong. Some people like light-jacket weather where you're never burning or freezing, SF is perfect for that.
governments dont squander money. its redistributed to insiders.
Sad, but true 😩💸
In a democracy you get the leaders you deserve.
I think Red state leadership sucks too!!!
I don’t deserve them and I didn’t vote for them! ;)
Um, are you talking about the US ? The US is a republic
The three cities chosen are interesting. I would not have described any as “garden spots”. But your conclusion is correct. How is it possible to transform an ‘Eden’ into ‘hell’? I do not know. But SF has figured it out. Given your chosen cities, SF should have strolled away. But you are right. They are dead last and losing ground.
Chicago native here. I lived in SF for a decade. We are now in Sacramento ( hoping to get out) but go to SF frequently, and you are correct. A while back I bought a pair of Gap corduroys on Chestnut St. We parked in Pac Hts. for dinner, thinking it was safe. We came back- the car was broken into for a Gap bag. Yes, I'm a city person so I should have paused, but it was a weekday and it was very quiet on Webster--I was sooo wrong! It's the Wild West in SF. We're planning on moving to Chicago again & it's not without faults, but nothing like SF. You are not exaggerating.
That's what happens when you try to "defund the police".....
Chicago and IL has poor leadership. But many residents are just great! And it is a very pretty city. As is SF and Atlanta.
Thanks for keeping it real.
In Oklahoma, we're still fairly cheap even though people moving here have basically screwed us long time residents as far as realty, people are generally pretty friendly, and my only slight gripe is being that I'm somewhat of a symphonic metal head, there aren't too many of those type bands around. I don't really know anyone that does the full on compose the orchestral part and then use a coordinator to record it live in studio then sync it with the guitars and stuff. Small price to pay for safety, cheaper prices and very little DEI silliness. ( I like the real definition of diversity. That's not what they're doing. )
So true. I live 40 minutes away and haven't been to the city in 6 years. I spent many beautiful wild and memorable times in the city and now it's nothing that it once was.
It's a 💩
Wish he had time to record books on tape, wonderful voice & cadence.
I sooo enjoy listening to you because you tell it like it is with the bark on and all.
Tell us what you really think... Bwahahahahaha. Wife and I used to go to Giants games. The last one where we took BART was like "Escape TO New York".
I live just outside Chicago. I used to be proud of it but no longer. Never go down there. We have the most corrupt government. Love you Dr but too much crime here. Lots of big companies leaving downtown due to theft.
Sorry to hear that Barbara. Just returned home a few minutes ago, after spending a beautiful evening at some places the Dr mentioned, river walk, restaurants. It was a spectacular night and bustling with great energy. fortunately no first hand experience but there are issues that you referenced that need to be addressed that the current government is not addressing. It seems like things could go either way. Hope they get fixed. There is so much potential.
You are making the most of all the abilities that our God has given you, continue to bloom where you are planted. Thank you for your scientific approach to this life. You can help turn SF around by just being you. Keep it up.
You are awesome Dr Prasad! And optimistic about Chicago
What type of bullet proof vest did you use in Chicago?
Learn a little more. It's California's vote in favor of Prop47 Proposition 47 that's largely to blame. Per 'pedia: "The measure was endorsed by the editorial board of The New York Times, which praised it as a way to reduce overcrowding in the state's prisons. It was also endorsed by the editorial board of the Los Angeles Times, which wrote that the measure was a "good and timely measure that can help the state make smarter use of its criminal justice and incarceration resources." The American Civil Liberties Union also supported the measure and donated $3.5 million to support it.
Prominent individual supporters included Jay-Z and Newt Gingrich."
Newt Gingrich??
Its so sad what San Francisco has become. I almost never go "into" the city anymore.
Word up 🙌
Sounds like you’re trying to convince yourself that you shouldn’t move, but you know that you probably should. Keep checking out other places and the job opportunities. It just might work out for you.
I'd suggest he moves to Florida or somewhere rural or regional that doesn't have globalist views.
@@aron.gortman Sounds like he doesn't like flat places or places that are too hot in the summer
I’d like to see him move to DC and head a massive clean up of either the FDA or the CDC for the Kennedy Administration
I used to love San Francisco- made it an annual trip. Haven’t been there since 2014. Won’t go back. Sad.
Very sad to hear. I loved SF when i visited in 2006. I walked everywhere and my conference was in the down town. I dont remember seeing sh*t, dog or otherwise, anywhere.
I feel your pain. Your SF rant was so relatable.
You're absolutely correct about San Francisco being the most naturally beautiful city .... has its own weather actually. Have to take your word about the downtown Chicago area despite what we hear about the mayor type governance. I hope the people of San Francisco can get some REAL leadership to fix the shitting on the sidewalk type issues. geeeez ... so sorry you have to contend with that issue.
It ain't any better in IL either. The bridges are a disaster waiting to happen! It's very segrated affluence!
I think this dichotomy exists with most West Coast cities vs a lot of “middle America” and eastern cities. I lived in Seattle for 7 years and it is incredibly gorgeous but the government is completely incompetent. I’ve moved to Tennessee where the scenery is not as breathtaking but the government still has some grasp on reality, despite some excess social conservatism.
I agree, coastal California is a place of magical beauty. But as a nature photog, I can find the natural beauty pretty much everywhere. In all of California, the place I liked best was Death Valley. Yes, you read that right. It is gorgeous. And I got out into the 122 degree heat to take my photos. I am used to it, I live in Texas. Every place in Texas is brutally hot in July and August, maybe into September, but after that the rest of the year is very comfortable, and Spring is glorious. But maybe it is a place only Texans can love because it is a rugged beauty. Every place on earth has its challenges and it is so sad that that California is its own worst enemy. The corruption runs very deep. I won't be going back.
they dont even ticket people for shop lifting... lmao
The Libertarian party always gets taken over by the democrats
"There was a word that I always liked; the classical economists used it: liberal. The word liberal really meant, in the classical sense, the liberalization of the individuals from the tyranny of the State. That word was expropriated by our opponents and it has now come to mean liberality with other people’s money. The word was taken over. And so I, more than anybody else, was responsible for introducing and publicizing and perhaps making world-wide the word libertarian. . .
I am sorry I ever did it. Why? Because the word libertarian has now been just as much expropriated as the word liberal."
Leonard E. Reed (1965)
Two things I love about SF: Number one, it's a beautiful place to look at. Take a lung-busting hike up to the top of the hill and you'll be rewarded with one of the world's greatest views.
Number two is the people. San Franciscans got a vibe like no other, they follow the beat of their own drummer and they're not all woke idiots by any stretch.
They got challenges but they've overcome far worse in the past.
And there's also a significant cost to adding another official language. Think about all the government forms that must be printed in that additional language.
Loved your video today! Now I know what cities not to visit. ❤
Have you ever been to Detroit?
That’s pretty much true of every city in California. If I didn’t live in lovely foothills, short distance from the ocean, and have beautiful weather, I’d be out of here.
San Francisco was the setting of Hitchcock's great movie, Vertigo. The stunning setting was so important for that movie. So sad that it is being destroyed by misguided ideologues.
I love hearing your opinions on various topics. Elephant in the room, an appraisal on what is known as "gender affirming care", especially for minors. Puberty blocking children, opposite sex hormones, surgeries, etc. Can children consent to being sterilized at age 14? I know it's a topic loaded with controversy, but it's a very important conversation to have. Many countries, including UK have stopped these practices, however as usual USA is full steam ahead. A review on the quality of the Cass report? We need courageous, honest discussions about it. Have interviews with those critical and in support of it. I know you're busy, but we can move on mostly from COVID right?
Are any places well run.
Here in rural regional Australia....nope?
You may need to have a look at some of the stats in Chicago, at least have a look at some of what the mayor there has to say. It's a matter of wether you really don't like stepping in crap vs you don't mind stepping into lead.
But, of course, you're expecting this type of comment.
If you head toward Chinatown in Chicago, big tent cities. Remember when goofy mayor said to house migrates families in tents for WINTER in Chicago...dumb Vss!
@@d.haskins3840Didn't know about that one! Chicago winters are no joke - I was there in winter of 86. And sounds like the mayor is crazier than I thought.
@@olibertosoto5470 exactly 💯
What does your immediate family think about living in San Francisco?
They moved to walnut creek
great video
One thing I think you miss is that SF has HUGE amount of money.
You get the government you deserve. Somebody is voting for this incompetence time and again.
Have you thought about NYC? It doesn't have the natural beauty but it is pretty in its own way. Yes we do have problems with homeless, crime, and filth but they are nowhere near SF level. And the diversity of excellent people you get to interact with can't be beat.
All urban areas suck. You could pay me enough to live in one.
We joke that our son moved back to the United States when he relocated to Austin. Also Chicago is doing ok despite its leadership and slipping fast.
You can be describing Seattle, always searching for more money so they can squander it. Although i think we have less cap on the sidewalks. And we definitely have phenomenal natural beauty here as well.
Born, raised and currently live in Atlanta and Atlanta honestly is a pretty well run city and well run state in general. I have not been to San Francisco since the early 00s, but I have been to other places in metro areas in California and I completely understand. I used to think that the homeless population in Atlanta was a problem until I went to LA. As one of the few Atlanta natives still around the city, I can tell you that the area around ponce city market is definitely a walking community nowadays, but that place was a ghetto maybe 15 or so years ago. Now that area is really nice. Actually down the street from Ponce City Market lies to remains of one of the last projects in Atlanta. Atlanta is a beautiful city, its just too many people moving down here. Atlanta is not as segregated as Chicago is, but we have our gentrification issues as well. Also down the street from Ponce City Market was Atlanta Medical Center and corporate greed and politics led to the closing of one of the 2 Level 1 trauma centers in the city. Absolute corruption. The good thing was that the city would not allow them to tear the hospital infrastructure down to build expensive condos or apartments. So now its currently in a weird limbo, waiting for someone to buy it. Have a feeling Grady Hospital(the other level 1 trauma center) might actually purchase the property to build a hospital. Saying all this to say that San Francisco must be very poorly run if you think Chicago is better run. San Francisco might be the floor in terms of governance then...
First of all, great love, my friend. I admire your work and appreciate your observations.
I was born there in SF and lived in Palo Alto back before it changed onto the plasticine showcase it is today. It's my home in my heart though I can never overcome the price barrier. With SF at least, no loss. The people there these days are not the free thinking love monsters of yore, but they're...entitled? Never have I met such snobs in my life. Present company excepted! It may be a symptom of America's cultural decline. Only the wealthy have power, and they're awful as a rule. So this is what we get.
Someday America may be less like Brazil but i fear we're only becoming more third world - poorly run, deeply unequal, and dangerous.
I like to bike too! You should visit my friend Jerry in the Mission and we'll all go on a ride together! 😂 have a good day and don't be a cynic like me!
Natural beauty PLUS giant quantities of money. . . once the money goes, it's done.
Yeah, no, on Chicago being well-run. Let’s just say “it’s a nice place to visit…” esp when you can be selective. As to Atlanta, the goid doc strikes me as typical of “coastal folk” who are always so surprised by how much more integrated Southern cities are.
The derelicts love the beauty of the city and the lovely weather as well. Chicago winters tend to drive them out of their tents, off the sidewalks and down south for a time. SanFran they can enjoy year round. Perhaps it's a plan to drive everyone out so the Chinese can have the city for themselves. Who really knows at this point.
Competent government is an oxymoron
California has 4 major advantages
1- Weather
2- Weather
3- Weather
4- Landscape
I did graduate school at San Diego State University. Made little money so no taxes, SD was all up side. Ha. PlusSD is the best run major city in CA because it’s the reddest. I Loved it there.
ASA has cancelled all their future conferences there….the zombie apocalypse comes to mind 😔
Very naive to say Chicago has competent government. 😢
How about record a cycling montage video of when you are yelling at motorists?
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6:39 is hard
Chicago only seems like it has competent leadership in comparison to the absolute joke of a train wreck that is SF. With that said, even though I agree with much of what was said in this video, this is not the content that I’m looking for from Dr. Prasad. I value his opinion on medical topics above just about anyone. Please don’t dilute your channel with political content. I can get that on 100 other places, but there are few people I trust regarding medicine.
Enjoy your videos- such common sense is rare nowadays! :) Get rid of people like Pelosi and SF will be soooo much better...
Chicago, competent leadership? ROFLOL that is a joke!
I mean when compared to SF its better.... by no means competent though. They seem to be trying to dive into the same hole.
@@Yungtskt they are. All you have to do is look at the legislation on the house floor there, versus what's on the floor in other cities or states. In fact, a fun experiment if you're disciplined enough is to not watch any news for a whole week and only read legislation.
Citizens are not engaged! Look in the mirror folks!
6:30 You refer to "incompetence" of government official's voting to make Vietnamese an official language. You need to learn to see the difference between incompetence, and malice that is disguised as incompetence (or "compassion"). They are lowering the threshold of "official languages" as one more way to make the city harder to govern. Same with "Defund the Police". Making the middle class & democracy fail is always the plan of closet authoritarians, the goal is to make society ungovernable by normal people.
I'm not sure your assessment of Chicago and Atlanta's government's competency is accurate 😂
VP putting feelers out for recruiters. I hear Cinci is nice, quality teaching hospital or if you prefer to stay with the other UC just move to San Diego. Plenty of opportunities and your sneakers still stay clean 🫶