Episode 2. $99 Predator 212 cc engine dyno test
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- Episode 2. We test the stock 212 cc Predator engine on the Prony dyno. How much horsepower does it really make? the answer may surprise you.
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Maximum TQ and Maximum HP aren't supposed to occur at same RPM. It is almost always the case that HP is less than max when tq is max
Its RPM based.
Below 5252 RPM HP is less than torque.
Above 5252 rpm HP is more than torque
@@Texassince1836 hahaha my diesel doesnt even make that much rpm
@@Texassince1836 not necessarily. There are even engines that produce more hp at lower rpm because torque is non-linear
@@tedarcher9120 it is physically impossible for HP to exceed Torque below 5252rpm
@@Texassince1836 no, that depends on units. You can just use smaller units for torque
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Do a dyno test on the hemi version so we can see the difference
There is no difference
@@connorssmallengines6663 there actually is a difference...2 difference head designs makes a difference
@@gonewronggarage4565 yes but only a little bit. Small engines are small, it does not make that much of a hp difference
@@connorssmallengines6663 I found a video elsewhere and the difference was actually quite dramatic.
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I've been waiting on a "carb kit" for my six horse chipper, almost two years, I believe after watching the torque curve and horse power, I'm buying an engine instead! Thanks, that's a great prony brake setup, I used one fifty years ago, carved wood with wood lever, clamped with long bolts, and a bathroom scale. I suspect it wasn't quite as accurate as yours. Very fine set up and design, from an old biker. Very well done, professional video as well.
Good man. Out there answering the big questions we all need to know!
I was hoping to see a run with the governor bypassed.
There shouldn't be any difference in power. To accurately test and compare he would need to apply an identical load at the same RPM he applied the load on the governed engine.
@@Deucealive75 no, there won't be a change in power at rated rpm, but I'd like to see the power curve over 3600 rpm.
@@fryloc359 what would be the point ? The power curve is dropping like a stone after that probable valve harmonic anyway.Just day
Damn autocomplete....the engine is all done past those revs.... he'd be better doing a back to back tests with a Predator Hemi head
Trev New Zealand
@@trevinskiking2165 lots of gokart guys bypass the governor on these engines. If it didn't make them faster, they wouldn't do it.
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Did you build this dyno? I wanna build one for my channel to test chainsaws! I'd love to discuss this further
I'm working on a cars and science-based television show and we'd like to build a table top Prony Brake dyno like this. What force gauge are you using? And how exactly are you coupling it to the motor - meaning, which areas are pushing into the gauge when you hit the brake? Or - did you build this from a tutorial? Great videos, by the way. Love watching that car putter along, especially with the 212cc engine. Funny stuff.
My Prony brake dyno is a modern equivalent of the concept. Its hard to explain in words how it works, mostly because I use a complex bearing arrangement to float the torque arm. Hopefully soon I will do another dyno video and I will show how the system works. Basically the same thing can be built using bigger parts, Mine just so happens to be extremely compact and has a lower spinning mass. If you look at my charts, the low mass shows up as spikes in the data.
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Since your dyno test is sort of reversed from typical (rpms drop instead of climbing), then I would expect the flywheel inertia to contribute some of its power into the results and skew things up slightly.
Interesting. So at 2500rmp there's 8.1ft of torque and there's 3.85 HP. And if you calculated it actually has 7 HP then that means if you divide 7 by 3.85 that equals 1.81. So if you do 2500 times 1.81 that equals 4525. And if you do 8.1 times 1.81 that equals 14.6. Which means the engine has 7 HP and 14.6ft of torque at 4525 rmp. That seems right. (I was just testing my math, I'm in 9th grade..)
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1.57. The peal horsepower and peak torque are at different rpms. This is almost always the case, except in some nitrous applications. Torque is higher on low-revving engines and horsepower is higher on high revving engines.
9.7 ft/lbs is absolutely a believable claim on a 6.5hp engine. Torque always falls off after peak. Performance engines try to minimize the drop-off as rpms climb. That helps build higher horsepower as revs increase. If it maintained 9.7 ft/lbs at peak rpm, you showed yourself that it would make higher than 6.5hp.
Have you seen those 196cc diesel engines? They're almost like converted Honda GX200 clones. They're rated at about 3hp and 6 foot pounds, but it appears that they're underrated based on a generator load test video I saw (put out 2.5kW of electricity from the generator). Would be neat to dyno one and find out what they really make for horsepower and torque.
Surely if you turbocharged this engine it would be powerful enough to propel a car at decent speeds
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No mystery, look at the torque curve on any engine on a dyno. Maximum torque and maximum torque values are always at different RPM. Torque value at the maximum horsepower point is almost always lower than the maximum torque value at a much lower RPM.
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If it helps, the car has not been damaged or modified in any way that's not 100% reversible.
@@robotcantina8957 yeah I saw the impromptu clutch system, almost looks like a clutch setup from a Polaris utv
My brain exploded trying to parse your dyno data. It didn't pass the vertical line check, but I blame the bad governor.
Do you know that two engines can make the same amount of horsepower in different amounts of torque and vice versa right??
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9 to 11 hp with governor removed. Stock carb can support 20hp
With stock jetting, air box, and muffler no way.
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e10 wont give u issues if u run it all the time, used it in my geny for years no issues but i run it every day.
also a good tip is to store with tank empty or toped off with no air in the tank.
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I bought one back in 2019 and it was 99 bucks and removed the governor and it was very powerful on a bicycle...it was crazy fast especially on the take off
I had started working on something similar but ran out of $$$$ before i could get started. Im thinkingof following part of your plans in part and making a shaft flange that i can mount the original fly wheel and clutch set up too. But I'm thinking of using a small car pike a sentra or something, that is more readily available here. I'm thinking i will go with LEDs and try to find a way to run it with a lawnmower or motorcycle battery. I need a car and those go cart parts before i can start. Lol.
The RPM at which you get max torque and the RPM you get max horsepower aren't often the same, and they're both different from the max RPM of the engine, so multiplying mixed numbers together doesn't get you anything.
Not sure you can really determine whether its a value without at least taking it apart.
I'm guessing about the same horsepower as a stock Honda Civic.
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I think a modern Honda CRF300L engine would be your sweet spot. Low maintenance, great mpg, small, reliable and sturdy. Would love to see something like that in your Insight lol. Probably would do freeway speeds fine and have insane mpg.
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RC, I am kind of watching these out of order so anyway this is another fine video, thx
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I love these videos, but you should have gone on a history tangent on those old dynos.
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This was the non-hemi version. It would be interesting to see you do the hemi version and compare their results side-by-side but I imagine theres probably little to no change
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Maximum Torque gives max efficiency not max power. Spec for my car has max torque at 1500RPM but it has max power at about 4500RPM. So I think the HP is going to be based on the Max RPM and not 2500RPM.
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At least the specs didnt overstate the Hp and Torque of the machine!
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Test again with 91?
If I remember correctly, there's something about the Octane rating in the states versus what's available overseas and as a result, this engine is best suited to run on our 91 octane.
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what if you put 2 in there?
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