@MAROUAN AZIZ The difference between Islam and Christianity is that while in Islam the last messages of Muhammed were violence and jihad, we as Christians have a message of love and acceptance. We moved past violence and were offered a life of selfless love and offering the other cheek. We were left with peace. We live in peace.
Atheist say why doesn't God kill bad people and then say he's immoral for killing bad people. I used to say that 2 years ago when I was an atheist. Thank you Lord Jesus for giving me wisdom and truth when I prayed for it.
It's more of why does god allow evil like babies being born with cancer and suffering even though they have literally done nothing but breath and cry so far
@@tedidk8639 for special purpose ,he has set of differenent plans . Do you know Nick Vujicic? He is Christian evangelist and motivational speaker born with tetra-amelia syndrome, a rare disorder characterized by the absence of arms and legs. He doesn't complain like you do ,but he motivate others. God is just and has special plans and purposes.
I used to be an athiest, and like this boy here, I also was smug, and thought I knew it all. But the truth is I just had not thought it through hard or deep enough yet, nor did I have enough experiance to come to real conclusions. This kid is asking good questions, but he has already decided he does not like the answer before he hears the answer. He already has his mind made up, and though he pretends to be the more open minded, logical one, he is actually closed minded and arrogant. It took me almost 15 years of thought to come to the conclusion that God must exist, and that led me to where I am today. You can overcome arrogance, but it requires you to be humbled, and you must also admit that you, personally, are not the moral authority on anything. Once you accept that premise, then your entire mind opens up. I pray this kids questions lead him down a road where he can also see God, and maybe come to know Him.
"Once you accept that premise, your entire mind opens up." The same could be said about subcoming to a delusion or the taking of some drugs. You are not making a valid point.
@@clarkelaidlaw1678 countless gods have been proven to not exist by explaining their nature through science and maths, but Yahweh stood the test of time. No one has yet to prove Yahweh doesn't exist through science and maths because mathematic is His language
It is though. God commanded such an act in the Bible so it only makes sense to hypothetically phrase it to see if you would do the same. If you're saying that it's more than yes or no then you are implying that it's impossible that you would disagree with God on the decision, which would contradict the idea of objective morality anyways
@@thakraken6995 It's not though. Technically speaking it could have been a 'yes or no', but the problem is if he said "no" then that means he wouldn't take God seriously. If he said "yes" technically this is correct if God commanded him, but as he said, Peter said "yes" and ended up denying Christ three times which makes both answers technically incorrect. He explains it fairly here.
@@RyanHarville so you're saying that God wanted a yes or no answer from Abraham about such an act but somehow it's still not a simple yes or no answer whether one would do what God says? It's interesting that the same Christians who suggest we should do what God says can't answer yes when hypothetically asked if they would do what God asks. People do not want to answer yes because they know what implications that would have on their morality. Even if God command someone to kill their own child hypothetically, why ought one do that?
@@thakraken6995 I mean Mr Joe Lackey could have just meant, it was harder to answer with yes and no to get an adequate answer to the question. That might be the case. Maybe is not what you think about ideas your saying. Maybe is just about adequacy.
“None of those people slaughtered people in the name of atheism.” You’re right, they did it because they had no fear of God and had no reason to not slaughter anyone as long as it benefits them.
What's your opinion about the people who actually slaughtered people in the name of God? Don't you think that is much much worse? Because God didn't ask or ordered them to do it
@@jesuslopez-fe7dv yes if you kill random people and claim that “God said so” you’re also bad. But my problem is that what you’re talking about is so significantly lower than those killed by atheists. Deaths in wars started by religious conflict is less than 8% of all total deaths in wars.
@@jesuslopez-fe7dv Man’s nature is to be selfish, corrupt, and domineering over others for personal gain. God doesn’t need to kill you because you will die anyway and if you are unrepentant for your sins you will be eternally separated from God with no hope of Him reaching out to you.
So I guess that Christian logic is that all those sex traffic victims who were first raped, & then killed when they were no longer useful, are not actually dead & that the victim parents should just relax because they aren’t really dead. And the shooter didn’t really killed the girls, thus didn’t really commit any crime to be sent to prison.
@@perinho6952 in the killer eyes, he believe he did not do anything wrong as he just doing gods bidding. Many serial killers are caused by the parents who were super religious. Just look it up.
@@Junomaster2006: Church-destroying atheist Stalin had millions of people slaughtered. "Look it up." Edit: So did Christian-basher Hitler. Castro, Mao, Gadaffi, Pol Pot... Tyrants are notoriously anti-Christian, because they can't stand the thought of any authority higher than their own.
@@chadcoady9025 are you assuming ccrs are the only ones with mistresses? Are they really a Christian? Are the really a conservative? You know them by their fruit. My dog thinks it is a human ....
@@rocketsurgeon1746 The ones I'm referring to are about as Christian Conservative as Trump, regardless of their party. What are the metrics to be considered Christian? Is there a test or is anyone who claims to be a christian, technically a christian because the bible is so open to interpretation, that there is no way to prove who or who isn't a christian.
@@chadcoady9025 there will always be fakes. As far as metrics, Jesus was pretty clear when he said love God and love your neighbor as yourself. He also said he who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. There are definitely more guidelines but that is a good start
Let us not judge Cody, for I was just like him, in attacking the (Christian System). Then one day, I decided to read the book for end to end, and prove once and for all that it was faulty. I've lost count how many times, I have gone over and over the various books, but I was not only wrong in my presumptions about the bible, but completely unable to find fault in any of it. I thank Jesus for holding my hand through that process, and for supporting me in my faith in him. I am so glad to be a Christian, and I pray that one day, Cody will come to the same conclusion. For we are saved by grace, through faith. Amen.
@@russellshand ok, how do ypu handle the problem that god can't feel unconditional love? If I love someone and the feeling isn't mutual I don't torture rape or kill this person. When I love a person color, nation or religion doesn't matter.
@@oxybenzol9254 - Sorry, I don't understand your question. God is CONDITIONAL, He loves us , but Hates our SIN. Follow Jesus, and keep his commandments, Then our Sin's are washed CLEAN in the blood of Jesus, and God (who is Jesus) will LOVE us unconditionally. There is no problem, except the problem of MAN, thinking he is God. does that sound familiar? Amen
In the case of Abraham, the boy was missing some information. Abraham had a promise from God that through Isaac Abraham would have a multitude of descendants. That couldn’t happen if Isaac was dead. Abraham told those that were with them to stay put while he and Isaac went up to the altar alone. He also told them that both of them would return. He believed God. That’s the point. Abraham knew that God would either provide a substitute sacrifice or raise Isaac from the dead….. and it was credited to him as righteousness.
Please, my siblings in Christ, let's not insult nor laugh at unbelievers. That doesn't make us any different, that doesn't make us the salt and light of the world, that doesn't glorify God. Edit: Let's pray for them instead.
indeed, lets use the chat section as a GOSPEL OPPURTUNITY! I'm terrible with speaking in person but the internet is such a great way to do apolgia and evangelism. plenty of lost souls and ANGRY ones that come to US to talk about the Bible! Hallelujah!
It’s a trick question though. That verse is not about Abrahams faith or God testing us in such a way. It is about Issac’s willingness to sacrifice himself for a God that would sacrifice Himself for us. There is much more to that story than it might appear. Abraham knew Issac was not going to die.
In Cody's mind, he probably thought he was gonna debunk christianity with that one question about "killing your family". But dr. Turek is very experienced with these types of questions
@@IsraelRuizGodot did it tho? Christianity is still going on. From what I saw, Cody was acting foolish. The guy is trying his hardest to debunk Christianity but fails everytime. And the question was answered, Cody just wanted him to say yes he would but we really don't know what we would do in a situation like Abraham and Issac.
Body is the only physical part of us that can die or be killed. The other two parts of us are ETERNAL and they continue in existence in a different realm other than earth.@@justarandomdude6175 The
Hallelujah! For every single ONE soul that gets saved the WHOLE OF HEAVEN REJOICES! We believe God is patient and in mercy and abounding in steadfast love, He WILL give cody as many chances as it takes but not withstanding cody's self deception. God makes himself known to ALL men so ALL men can be saved and God does NOT delight in the death of sinners. But if cody prefers hell, then thats his choice
@@kaizze8777 "But if Cody prefers hell, that's his choice" - Some incredible Christian love here. You're gloating like a sadist. Does that make you feel good, or what?
@J M Anecdotes, fake numbers (which you seemingly find very impressive) and Bible verses. The " 1x10 to the 17th power" thing made me cackle with laughter. Maybe I'll respond more specifically later but your comment is terrifically ridiculous to me, almost to the point of being a waste of time.
@@thakraken6995 He did answer, "I don't know what I would do in that situation." Just because it's not a "yes" or a "no" doesn't mean it's an invalid answer. Also, I do gotta say, it's a strawman question. God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son, yes, but what happened to Isaac? Was he killed? No. An angel stopped Abraham because God does not ask for human sacrifices.
@@haachamachama7 if he doesn't know what he would do then he's not really obedient to his God. Imagine thinking somebody is an objective standard but then when that so-called objective standard asks you to do something you don't do it. Goes to show how objective their morality is. Also it's not a strawman since the question is directly relevant to what God allegedly asked of Abraham. Just because Isaac do not end up dying does it mean God did not ask Abraham to do something immoral
Cici S he* don’t capitalize the “H” unless it’s at the beginning of the sentence or you are talking about God. God bless you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ
the "Thank you, doctor" at the end says everything about Cody, he flies off the handle from a place of passionate hurt for the worlds woes, but he doesn't place that on Turek, but rather challenges Turek to account for them. God bless Cody
No, Cody is on the right track. He is thinking critically about this indoctrination of God and he can see how this book was not inspired by any god, it was written by a barbaric civilization that practiced slavery, sacrifice and slaughter of non believers and many other disgusting things in the name of religion to make their worldview seemed justified. Dr. Turek hides behind fallacious arguments, he tried to get Cody away when he brought up slavery etc. Good job Cody.
@@evanbondurant853 I pray you find God before the end of you mortal life. God offers the GIFT of salvation. Gifts have to be accepted. God doesn’t send people to Hell. He offers the gift of salvation to avoid Hell. People choose to go to Hell by refusing the gift. And choosing to not believe in God or Hell changes nothing. Both exist regardless of your believing in them or not.
It is not about finding GOD. It is coming to a accord on what GOD diagnosis, and prognosis of our woeful, wretched state is. Cody thinks it Christianity against his wise in his estimation intellect. ✝️💔🧠🛐. The HOLY SPIRIT is who will cause the change in Cody. But Cody must exchange his obstinacy, and deceptive pride. 👤🙈🗣🙉👥🙊🧠💯💔. His 💚of stone for a 💗of flesh.
My uncle said something that always stuck with me.. he said “nephew too many times we think we know more than God and he just sits back laughs at us..” perfect example here
@@john1425 It is wrong and it isn't, depends on context. Besides, silly humans be killing their children in all sorts of ways without the need of any higher tier "God". Humans worship the medical industry, worship money, worship science, all of these things end up creating and destroying, just in a very messy, non-sensical way. It's pretty much all a test to see how much you are all willing to put up with. Covid, perfect example, betraying family, friends and neighbors all just to please the government. Silly humans.
@@adolphgracius9996 the question really is why does God need other humans to kill for him if he is all powerful? The Christian's seem to miss this crucial point
@@oftin_wong A simple answer to that is what makes you think God needs people to kill for him? For someone who apparently created the entire universe and life as we know it, he could do anything he wants, anyway he wants to do it. In this specific circumstance, he chose to order people to do his bidding. Was he capable of wiping them out by himself? Absolutely. But he obviously chose not to. The reasoning behind that decision is what's up for interpretation.
@@trick7039 killing another human will mess you up forever That's why it's a coward act on gods part. Would you say that because God told them to kill, they wont suffer from nightmares or a bad conscience, or psychosis just business as usual down at the village right?
@@oftin_wong That's once again, a very hypothetical question with no real answer. God could definitely prevent them from having negative side effects from killing, i.e. PTSD, psychosis, etc. At the same time, that killing culture was also extremely prominent during that time in history. So even if they did experience those mental side effects, it probably wasn't thought to be a real problem by the citizens of that time period. Do you think Spartans and Greeks had mental problems from constantly going to war with other nations, those that survived that is? I'd say they probably did. But no one really cared.
Cody was born to be Cody! What a great character. God has great plans for Cody and you too! But you must choose based upon the evidence. May Cody and you choose the Way, the Truth and the Life in Jesus Christ. God bless you.
That is the point .... Pretty sure the bible says if youve done it in your heart you are guilty of the sin. And whether God stopped Abraham or not he committed murder in his heart. God commands thou shalt not kill last I read 2 people: one Abraham called to sacrifice his own son .... And the other -those worshipping baal which also sacrificed their children Whats the difference you ask ........ They chose the wrong god to kill for I guess
@@JohnJones-ot5rg You’re not even referencing the scripture right. Jesus said that HATE is committing murder in your heart. Abraham didn’t hate his son🤦🏾♀️. The lack of reading comprehension skills is astounding. You literally created a strawman and now you embarrassed yourself on the internet. Go log out for me bro.
@@JohnJones-ot5rg yea that’s not right bud, Abraham loved Isaac and if you read the story right before they go up the mountain Abraham says to his servant something along the lines of “me and issac will go up and make a sacrifice to God we will both come back down the mountain” so before hand it shows Abraham trusted God, he knew that God would either bring his son back to life or stop him beforehand. What Abraham did was not out of hate or malice or anger. It was out of faith and trust in God.
@@JohnJones-ot5rg 1.) Abraham did not hate his son. 2.) It is you shall not murder. God did not tell Abraham to murder his son. God used that moment to test Abraham's faith and also to be documented for Israel to understand what God did to save humanity by sacrificing His own Son Jesus.
The part that people forget when it comes to Abraham sacrificing Isaac is that the birth was miraculous, and occurred at an age that Sarah was too old to have kids, and she was also barren her whole life. God also promised it wouod be through Isaac that he would make a great nation. So Abraham reasoned that God was going to perform another miracle and resurrect Isaac.
CanadianLoveKnot You said: " So Abraham reasoned that God was going to perform another miracle and resurrect Isaac." But if that is the case, Abraham did not have faith that whatever God commanded him was good. If you are correct, Abraham actually made a calculated bet that God didn't mean what he said. In many ways, that would be worse than Abraham outright refusing the command of God.
@@hansdemos6510 the whole point was that God was testing his faith, since he had promised Abraham it would be through Isaac a great nation would come. This is directly from the Bible Heb 11:17-19.
@@Migueleby what a beautiful testimony. Know that you are loved by your brothers and sisters in Christ world-wide. In the darkest times, The Lord will keep every one of your tears bottled!
These two are so watchable, cody v dr turek should be a special and its nice to see dr turek under some pressure but he doesnt take a step back, i respect that
@@omen1784 i think anger is the wrong description, maybe stubborn in his position but that could be applied to dr turek, theres a few of cody/dr turek, clearly there is a respect if abit grudgingly
@@omen1784 you’re are blind if you are Interpreting that someone who’s question logic is “angry”. I rather not blindly follow a cult who basically want people to shut-up, submit & obey without question.
Dr turik has dealt with all those question and much more and had great answer the problem is one you want to ask 10 question at once when you have a line of people and if you no anything of our so called cult called Christianity you would no it actually tells us to seek truth to not be afraid to question that’s what makes us different then any other religion bc we have nothing to hide
@: god is a person. God walks, God talk, god sleep. That’s all attributes to man. U just called him a “he” so by you doing that you subconsciously view God as a man. There is no his goals or his plan because he’s not real lol
I wanna ask Cody this: If you were the judge and you know your son would grow up to become a serial killer and rapist, how would you handle it? Would you kill him before he grows up? Then in other people's eyes you're just a murderer. Would you let him grow up and become a rapist serial killer? Then in other people's eyes that's injustice and you don't deserve to be judge. Even if you sentence your son to death after he commit all those crimes, there would still be people yelling "he didn't deserve death", and at the same time, there would be others yelling "he deserved way worse than a quick death". Or, would you bind him up in the basement and blindfold him, then feed him and keep him alive? Then where's his free will? If one of us were in charge, there would be no right answer. But thank God that he is the one in charge. No matter how much evil we bring into this world, in the end He will use it for good. This seems like such a simple question to me. Just as Frank said, there is no pleasing atheists. No matter what God does they will shake their fist at him, meanwhile at the same time stealing morals from him and claiming he doesn't even exist. I hope everything clicks in Cody's brain, would be nice if he could use his passion in a better way; the same way Paul did. It has been 2 years, anyone know how Cody's doing right now? Edit: I just had a thought, if you're an atheist, doesn't it mean that you believe everything is simply a physical phenomenon? In which case you can't say what Hitler did was wrong, because it was just neurons firing in his brain. You also can't claim murderers or rapists are evil. It would be the same as saying "earthquakes are evil". Consciousness is just an illusion right? We're just a domino without a conscious mind. Just as Frank said, you can't claim that there is evil or injustice in this world without acknowledging the existence of God. Also, I love these videos, they are amazing for training students in apologetics!
If Cody knew Torah, what we woefully mis- translate law, especially in the Hebrew. He'd understand as Holy Spirit would illuminate his understanding that G-d is Good always! And, as Father and Creator there are reasons to all that He does especially when we do not walk in His ways. Our choices are the results of whether we reap the blessings or the curse, life or death. (Deuteronomy 30: 19-20) When G-d removed the "ites" from the land it was because the cup of iniquity was full. Sin vomits its inhabitants out out the land. Similarly, as America will answer as the cup of iniquity (sin, idolatry) continues to defile this land Also, when He asked Avraham to slaughter Yitzhak, you'll notice Avraham's hand was stayed, and another sacrifice made. This is a prophetic picture of Almighty G-d offering up His own Son Yshua/Jesus as the only acceptable sacrifice for the sins of the world. 🙏🏼🩸 As it's the thief, hasatan, who comes to steal, kill and destroy. (John 10) Shalom,
@@rtaggs8178 That's not the point. The point is realizing that we as human beings aren't capable of making the best judgement. And since we can't even make the best judgment who or what gives us the right to judge God's decisions? Now, even if we assume that I have all the information I need to know for certain that my child needs to die, the right thing to do would be to kill him. But, just because I know what the right thing to do is doesn't mean I also have the strength to actually do it. We as Christians are constantly struggling with this exact thing till death; just as Paul wrote. We cannot predict the future, not even our own actions. Peter said that he was willing to die with Jesus on the cross, but Jesus and reality proved him wrong. Does that mean Peter was lying? No. His spirit simply could not overcome his fleshly instincts. He was willing until he was actually thrown into the situation. But by the end of Peter's life, he had enough faith in Jesus to be crucified upside down for Jesus' name's sake. The opposite might also be true. At this moment, I don't believe I'll ever have the courage to make the right but difficult choice if and when the time comes. But maybe by then God would've strengthened me enough for me to make the right choice. Am I willing to sacrifice myself for others? Yes. Do I actually believe that if I have to jump on a grenade to save others I would do so? No. But if I am actually faced with a similar situation, who knows what decision I would make. It is for this reason that actually asking these types of questions is pointless. The purpose isn't to get an answer but to realize that we don't know the answer; and nor do we know what the right answer would be. Say we kill a serial killer before he kills anyone else. But what if all of his victims would turn out to cause even more evil and suffering? Wouldn't it have been better to let the serial killer live and murder the ones even more evil than he himself? The point is to realize that we as human beings will never have _all_ the information necessary to make the best judgment. It is out of our control. Trying to control the uncontrollable is foolish. We can try to make the best choice we can based on the information we have. By no means am I saying that we can never make choices. But we do not have the right to criticize the all-knowing God's decisions. And to be honest, the same thing may apply to other humans as well. Someone might make a decision that seems evil to the rest of us, but if we have access to the information he has, we might end up making the same choice and realize that he was right. If another fellow imperfect human being may make a better choice than us, how much more so with the perfect God? Infinitely more so. We can't even criticize other humans without knowing the exact information they have access to at the time. What gives us the right to criticize God? Just because something doesn't make sense to us doesn't mean it actually doesn't make sense. Just because we can't find the answer to a question doesn't necessarily mean that there is no answer. We are not the center of the universe, and believing so is simply arrogance. We are not and do not get to set the standard.
My life, my way. God gave us free will. I appropriately apply it . Things turn out for the best most times. God talks to me and says he is proud of me.@@kevinwang7894
Two points: 1) Our Father did not ask for Isaac to be murdered, he asked for Isaac to be sacrificed. Whilst both would ultimately result in Isaac's death the meaning behind them is very very different. 2) Love is not unicorns and rainbows, love is tough. So tough that our Father chose to allow His Son to be sacrificed. God our Father, and Jesus our Messiah DID what Abraham was asked to do, they DID what Cody asked. Out of love FOR US. Let that sink in and tell me if you think that we should not worship them. That Cody himself stated he cannot condone genocide or murder tells me his conscience is intact and he has not truly turned away from the Lord. I pray the Holy Spirit enters this young man and guides him to the Truth, the Life and the Way.
11. And they will not need to teach their neighbors, nor will they need to teach their relatives, saying, ‘You should know the LORD.’ For everyone, from the least to the greatest, will know me already. 12. And I will forgive their wickedness, and I will never again remember their sins.” 13. When God speaks of a “new” covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear. Hebrews 8:11-14 (NLT)
@@Sabito86591 if he answers Cody's question...no, he would not kill his children, he looks like a hypocrite.....if he answers yes, he looks like a lunatic. He will never answer that question.....
He needs to set aside his bias and listen. You can tell he couldn't care less about the answers from Frank. It is just anger and hate. I feel pity for him. Even from a purely secular point of view you can tell he is a miserable, hate filled person. Yes, he needs prayer.
As an average Christian I do believe nothing can question my belief in the existence of God...tbh.. if I try to get the answers to the questions these atheist ask, it's possible I become an atheist. I asked questions like this when I was younger tho and my parents and pastors could not give me a good answer for my age but they helped me by telling me not to think about them. Now, I've grown I understand the answers to those questions. God bless you Dr. Turek🙏🏽..more Grace🔥
His intelligence is too shallow to understand Turek's point about not having a standard to appeal to other than his own. Every single atheist I've ever talked to either has no refute against this point or they just misunderstand it completely saying "I don't need God to know right and wrong". It's painfully ignorant
People have addressed that point many times. Secular morality is not necessarily any more subjective than the morality that Frank proposes. But it gets an easy applause from his audience, so he uses it as a deflection tactic whenever Old Testament atrocities are brought up.
@@incredulouspasta3304 but the question is, how can you say something is wrong outside your own personal opinion if you dont have where to get a guide. I mean, you can say, depending on the society's better benefits, but then we would go back to the time strong villages attacks weaker ones, stealing women and killing men to avoid challengers and you wont be able to judge them, because thats more beneficial for them.
@@nathatkd You can't say something is wrong outside your opinion. There is not objective right or wrong but even with a god this does not change, still just an opinion.
He’s like the atheists who hang on videos like these, if they don’t believe at all then they have no reason to be here but they still keep coming back. Tells me everything about them.
Someone is correct, though we don't know who that someone is.... Intellect is not the problem....in fact apologetics entire aim is to give an intellectually satisfying answer to the existence of God....to remove unreasoned doubt as a stumbling block and allow a person to genuinely seek for God; not the point at which we find Him, but at which we begin seeking, and perhaps it is to that you are referring. Faith comes from knowing, not knowing about God; which is about relationship not intellect. The thing is Bro I don't think Cody wants to believe at all in that would require some kind of relationship. My bet is he was raised in a home declaring Christianity but not living in relationship living rather in hypocrisy. I want to be clear we all fail, we all sin, parents as often as children, Christians as often as anyone else, but when we go to church on Sunday and pretend we are holy and our kids know the truth its poison. There is nothing more destructive than a person claiming there is a God and not living like it....claiming He is real and never seeking Him.
@@patrickedgington5827 I disagree on the intellect thing, having knowledge and wisdom are different things. Knowledge is intellect, it’s having information and as we learn with Adam and Eve, it’s often not profitable but, wisdom is always a benefit. I believe in the relationship and coming to know God vs having knowledge of God or of science or of math. I agree with the above statement on ego but, I believe modern day intellect feeds the ego abs Vice verses so, they are one in the same in Thule above vid. Cody wants to believe because he keeps coming back. Something is driving him to hear the word abs truth. Even if it’s his ego/intellect, perhaps this is a case in where God is using the negative to bring about the best! You are 100% on all of us falling. I’m rooting for this kid, I hope he accepts the truth!!!
I always enjoy and am blessed by listening to Dr. Frank Turek answer questions. When I heard Cody ask, 'Would you murder your wife if God told you to do so?' my mind jumped to Galatians 1:8-9 (ESV): 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. One of the largest non-Christian religions, Islam, and one of the largest cults, Mormonism, began from supposed angelic revelations. Islam: According to Islamic tradition, the Prophet Muhammad received revelations from the archangel Gabriel over a period of approximately 23 years. These revelations were later compiled into the Qur'an, the holy book of Islam, which forms the foundation of Islamic teachings and law. Mormonism: Joseph Smith claimed that in 1823, an angel named Moroni appeared to him and revealed the existence of golden plates buried in a hill in New York. These plates, which Smith translated and published as the Book of Mormon, are considered scripture by members of the LDS Church. The Book of Mormon is one of the central texts of the LDS faith. This passage in Galatians emphasizes the importance of adhering to the true gospel and warns against accepting any other teachings, even if they come from "seemingly divine" sources. Scripture does not contradict itself. A so-called vision from God or an angel cannot contradict what we are instructed in the Bible. In addition to Galatians 1:8-9, several other scriptures support the position that a Christian should not follow an instruction to murder someone, even if it seems to come from an angel or a divine source. For example: Exodus 20:13 (ESV): "You shall not murder." This commandment explicitly forbids murder, establishing it as a fundamental principle of Christian ethics. There are many other examples in Matthew, Romans, and elsewhere, but the main point is that any so-called visitation from God or His angel representative cannot go against what God has already given us in Scripture. This is KEY in making life's decisions. Note: "Kill" is not to be confused with "murder." A great deal of confusion was caused by the King James Version stating in Exodus 20 that we should not "kill," leading many to believe that we cannot be called into military service or kill to defend our lives or those of our family against would-be murderers. Later translations rightly say we are not to "murder," which is a significant difference from the word "kill."
Those were great questions that Cody posed. We, as followers, need to be bold enough to seek the answers to these type of questions to better understand our own faith and the perfect God we worship. Only then can we arm ourselves with the real knowledge to answer platitudes and defend our own faith with true understanding of that which we have faith in. Always know that there are atheists out there that know the words in the Bible better than you. Just make sure you’re doing your part to match their studies so that you don’t just know the words of the Bible, but also the Word of God.
The think is they may know what is in the Bible, but they have a lack of understanding and have no wisdom to guide themselves. Hopefully all will lift the heads high and see the truth.
@@SovereignRules I think that Galatians 2:16 basically says “man can’t be saved by good works; only through faith in Jesus Christ.” But the way I think you’re interpreting it is to say that we don’t have to do what God says anymore since we’re not in the Old Testament anymore and therefore the old laws (and I guess anything God might command you do to?) are a moot point. So the question is, if God asked you to kill your son or daughter, today, could it be safely ignored? You seem to imply, yes. But let’s put that question aside for a second. The reality of this situation is that God DID ask someone to kill their child at one point in time. Put yourself in Abraham’s shoes and pretend like you’re still living under the old law. The fact that the old law no longer has to be followed is completely besides the point that’s being made by this question, which is in no way “dumb”. Saying “well we don’t have to do what God says anymore” is a really shitty way of sidestepping the question entirely.
@@SovereignRules I'm not sure that any amount of additional context could somehow justify God asking Abraham to kill his son in my own mind, as it relates to my own personal sense of ethics and morality. But we can just say that God is sovereign and therefore I simply am incapable of understanding his actions, so my opinion can safely be ignored.
I really liked the point he made about how atheists complain that God doesn't deal with iniquity, but at the same time, when He does, they claim it's genocide. I never thought about it that way before, and I'm so grateful I found this video. God bless!
it's the same thing when you point out God is a just god so and punishes people so they end up in hell, no no no your god is wicked how can he send people to hell for eternity... ok, God is a loving god and has forgiven everyone and everyone can be saved... no no no, what kind of a god is he, you mean he can forgive Hitlet, what about grapists, etc... lol. you can't win with them lol.
@@scruffyafro3632👍 In response to your response on God being just a god in the comments section of "Dr Turek would you kill your child. I congratulate you on your excellent post. I completely agree with you and you made me think. Thanks for the mental stimulation. You did some fantastic thinking.
@@scruffyafro3632same thoughts.. that is what I told myself was when I was in an "atheist" phase. I wonder why God would send people to hell if he is really a "good" God then I realized I don't want him to bring those demons in human form to heaven🤣
And the ultimate point is that if those groups of people had submitted to God and followed Him, the problem would’ve been solved without God having to take more drastic measures.
Literally no they don't. And if they do yes it is genocide but if this "Iniquity" was GENUINE "iniquity" then an atheist wouldn't care however it is still genocide but if this "iniquity" was for example a gay couple or blasphemy then those are not justifiable things to eliminate someone for or to even call "Iniquities" even.
I don't know how it is that you have this peculiar gift of predicting the future. I don't know nor can i predict this young man's future but i do hope he keeps his skepticism alive.
How could Turek be so Smart? I wish I had a bond with God and his blessings so great as Tureks. God bless you all there and your Families in Jesus Name. Amen!
@@ilsevanlegos7529Cody wouldn’t be asking someone with God the questions, but that said Cody is still very smart it’s just he’s not understanding the faith concept
I used to be an atheist and the way Dr. Turek treated this man was a perfect way to deal with atheists. He showed the atheist respect and kind words 🙏 it was this kind of behaviour that eventually turned me to religion.
I got to know what the hell made you start believing in fairy tales was a fear of death or desire to see your loved ones again I can't imagine what would convince somebody that didn't believe
Cuz I mean anybody can be nice and respectful how does that prove crazy silly magic things happened. Especially since the morality of the Bible is so absolutely revolting
@@darkeen42 Of course you can’t imagine, you like me and everyone else is infinitesimal when it comes to knowledge of God. Our capability to know God is very, very limited so we must rely on faith and trust in God. Those people who don’t have faith and trust in God think worshipping Him is foolishness. Notice I said people think give their opinions, but can never give irrefutable proof that there is no God or that He does magic. Man attributes things He doesn’t understand or comprehend to magic. God doesn’t do magic, God does CREATION. CREATION isn’t magic but to finite people such as you , me and everyone else because we can’t understand it we call it magic. I believe God/Jesus when He states to Martha in John 11:25-26, “ I am the resurrection and the LIFE. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall LIVE . And whoever LIVES and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?” We won’t be judged by Jesus on head knowledge or logic but on how we answer that question.
"By atheism there is no standard of right and wrong anyway". Best reply ever to a smug new atheist who thinks he's a better moral person than God. Second being "Atheists complain when God doesn't stop evil, and complain when he does..."
It would be better put to say "Atheists typically don't believe in a supernatural standard of right and wrong," if you're at all interested in accuracy.
@@zargonofb I agree and when said like that it is a neutral statement whereas other ways of saying it could make the Hypothetical Atheist feel as though the statement might be a negative jab directed towards him. So anytime something can be worded or phrased in a nuetral way is ideal.
@@levelwithz3779 Really? Because new atheists rarely are that considerate of believer's sensibilities, painting all as dumb supertitious self righteous fools beneath contempt. But again, what is the objective standard for a new atheist, since you agree with the above statement? Supernatural or not.
@@el_killorcure The ultimate goal should be to lead an Atheist to Salvation. Regardless of how they treat believers we should hold ourselves to a higher standard of how we treat them.
I am a more moral than what you call god. I believe slavery is wrong. I believe that women are not second class individuals. I did not mutilate my son when he was born. I don’t need some grand wizard in the sky for me to know right from wrong. How does god stop evil? What proof can you give that evil was stopped by a god?
I would certainly pray that God softens Cody’s heart just like He softened Paul’s on the Damascus road. Jesus commanded us to love the Lord our God with everything we have first, and to love our neighbors as we would ourselves. That includes our critics, our skeptics, our worst enemies, everyone. Because we are all still His children.
@@scambammer6102 That is basically what Turek didn’t do. If he believes the Bible to be %100 true! he would have said “Yes”. And in court… “God told me to do it”
Cody asks perfectly reasonable questions that are very hard to answer. These are questions any believer needs to ask themselves. True, these aren't simple yes/no questions as Cody states, but he is right to ask them. He was perfectly respectful. If you're afraid to address or answer anything found in the book you claim to believe in, then you aren't actually a believer. It doesn't mean you have to have a great answer for everything you don't understand, but you certainly must account for the difficult questions.
The thing is, like most hypotheticals, the hypothetical in Cody’s question is utterly fruitless: it ultimately doesn’t matter what Turek thinks he’d do; it only matters what he would do. Those are two very different things. Nobody can know what they would do under a stressful situation like the one Abraham was put in until they experience it. So many presidents say they will do such and such a thing when they become president, and yet they only do a handful of those things when in office. Turek is only being honest when he says he doesn’t know what he would do. If he said he would do “x/y/z” then that would be ignorance of all the factors which could influence his decision in that moment. If he said, “I think I’d do x/y/z,” then that would mean nothing. It certainly wouldn’t prove his faith as faith is only proven in action. It’s like saying, “If I were in the NBA, I think I would win every game.” Yeah, sure…
Agree...and I'll go further....Turek CAN NOT answer the question; if he say's "yes, I'd kill on god's command" then he's a terrorist, and would lose his stature. IF he say's "no", then he's not a believer. It's that simple, folks...either stand up for what you claim to believe and is the truth, or don't. "I don't know"...that answer tells me all I need.
@@polaroidsky I think you're making the question more complicated than it is. It's not as simple as Cody is making it, but it's also not nearly that complex. Frank would do whatever God instructed him to do, including what Abraham did. Otherwise, he cannot possibly be a true believer in what he is saying about God. He doesn't want to say it, because it is terrible to imagine, and terrible to actually say.
@@jedward5155 Idk what to say, man. I disagree. First of all the question is loaded by using the term murder which isn’t an accurate description of what taking a life for God would be. When one human kills another human outside of the realm of their authority, that’s murder because the author of life did not grant them the right to do so, but when humans fight each other in war as a means to settle disputes and preserve peace that is not murder because God gave the authority to the government to do so. Same thing with killing in self defense: it is not murder because the govt which was appointed by God gave us the authority to do so. So when the highest authority with the greatest oversight commands one to kill their son, it isn’t murder because God, the ultimate authority above all authorities, has commanded it. The funny thing is that God never let Abraham go through with his sacrifice. Rather, he stopped him and said he would provide his own sacrifice. Who was that sacrifice? Jesus: his own son. So what Cody described wasn’t even something Abraham did. He was prepared to do it, but he never did. It was a test for Abraham and a prophecy for all mankind. In other words, it appears that not even God could say whether Abraham would be prepared to sacrifice his son until he was tested. How then can we expect Turek to conclude what he would do in such a circumstance? Finally, contrary to what you described, belief in God does not entail an assumption that you will always do good. If that we’re so, then why did Jesus die to atone for our sins? Was it not because we need forgiveness? And if we need forgiveness, don’t that imply that we are not perfect? And if we are not perfect, why would we have the audacity to say that we will always perfectly obey God’s will? We need forgiveness because we still cave to sin on occasion, and this is the beauty of the gospels: that while we are becoming more Christ-like through a joint effort between the Holy Spirit and our spirits, our saving belief in God is not determined by works, but through acknowledging that we need Christ in order to obtain forgiveness from God. We can still believe in this even when we fail to be obedient. In fact, our sin only highlights how much we need him. Cody’s asks the question like it’s a yes/no question, but given the loaded way he phrased it, and by using the incorrect terminology and misrepresenting what actually occurred in scripture, it would be foolish to attempt to answer it as it was presented, and so Turek attempted to correct his question such that he could answer it, but Cody (at least initially) objected with an utter frustration that wasn’t warranted given the weight of the question. Thankfully he was respectful at the end, but this initial frustration revealed that he didn’t care so much about understanding Turek’s thoughts on the matter, but rather that he wanted Turek to step in his snare so he could object with, “You see! Christians want to murder their families!” For the emotional appeal rather than to encourage productive dialogue that might bring some understanding.
BS! Snapped??? Really?? Snapped at an atheist for condemning genocide, when a so-called believer justifies it?? The difference between Christian and Islamic fundamentalism is, the former cloaks itself in a garb of superiority and is sanctioned by the State, which makes it more deadly. Imagine a Sheik in Afghanistan saying if Allah sanctions the bombing of the US, then that isn't wrong, in fact, that is righteousness. Wouldn't that Sheik be stripped off any rights to travel into the US?? Christianity is worse than Islam.
Frank Turek makes me enjoy apologetics all the more. I find presuppositional apologetics the most Biblical. When Frank challenges so-called atheists and agnostics to come up with a basis for any ethic or for reason, he is so effective. Often they will misunderstand Frank to be saying that they can't be moral or can't reason. But Frank is challenging them to provide a foundation for any moral or for reason if you are an atheist. You can't. They are working with borrowed Christian capital and then critiquing Christianity.
@@ts9332sure, but that’s pretty broad I would say. Because some people commit atrocities regardless if their survival is at stake or not. Which means there is evil that’s beyond nature, which means there is also good that is beyond natural instincts
@@davidhiramreyes6490 I've never been in that type of situation. Until someone finds themselves that hungry and that close to death that question can't be answered truthfully.
We know humanity existed before christianity or theocratic religion. You think nobody had any morals or ethics before then? Why does a mother seek to protect their children? Why would a father provide for the family?
@DanielKovacs33 "He has the heart of a fool currently." If he is such the fool then it should be simple for you to provide testable evidence to show your god exists.
I know you don't want to die I know you'll believe absolutely anything you have to to deny your own mortality but we know how the brain works well enough to know everything about you that is you is the end result of a process happening in your brain when that process stops you just stop existing you don't go anywhere just like a fire doesn't go anywhere when you put it out the chemical process stops so the fire just disappears grow up stop harming society so you can believe these fairy tales seriously grow up
Frank does not know anything more about his invisible friend than Muslims know about theirs..it is absurd to claim to know what their friends does..will do..cares about so forth intil it can be demonstrated to be real.there have been 7,000 plus gods that have been proposed by humans over time in hundreds of different languages and in hundreds of different countries.there is not and never has been the slightest evidence that any of them are real.until there is evidence we rational folk are entitled for dismiss all God claims and place them where they belong in libraries in the section marked Mythology.
Smugly change subject to athiests cant say genocide or murdering your children is wrong ..instead of dealing with the issue of god ordering these hits..classic turek bs
Exactly and if God "created racism" why aren't toddlers racist? Racism is obviously a man made creation. That may have been his worst take in several bad points.
exactly lol even slavery u read the bible and u see its NOT AT ALL LIKE the atlantic slave trade. the slaves had an option to become A SLAVE IN THE FIRST PLACE smh atheism is so empty
@@user-ym5is9zy4b Of course I can decide, what is evil and what is good. I can also create a book and write, that god hast told me to tell you what is evil and what is good. And if my book become successfull, you will consider my opinion to be divine morality.
@@johnmakovec5698 sure, if you and about 39 other authors write 66 different books over a span of a couple thousand years without ever having met one another and without a way to contact each other or know about the existence of one another for the most part. And somehow, all 66 of your books combined create a perfect story accurately predicting the future while transforming lives of those who believe in it for the better. Then and only then would I consider it worthy.
Dr.Turek, your giving me goosebumps, in almost talks you do actually. And yeah, to be fair to Cody.. I think he is a good person. I just feel that he just really wanted to debunk the "God idea", which obviously he does not believe. But I think even if you are a non believer and still do good deeds. Your still doing it for the lord. God bless us all.
He did. He literally said I don’t know what I would do. When asked to murder his wife and kids. What would you do? If you had a wife or kid. Obviously you don’t but play pretend
I was told that Abraham was willing to do it cause he had faith that God would bring his son back to life if he wonted to. And he new that God told him the all nations would be blessed through his son.
It's likely that he has been damaged by religion.. Realizing you've been lied to by the people you trust the most (teachers, priests and parents) leads many to become bitter and angry with the religious organizations.
@Conan R you don’t need any faith to be an atheist. if you’re not convinced that a god exists then you’re an atheist, hence atheism is a lack of faith. i don’t have enough faith to be a christian
@@littleredpony6868 everything you just said if anything proves God exists. The Bible talks about you people who says "there is no God" and the Bible calls you lot FOOLS. Also in psalms it is writeen that people proclaim on the street "THERE IS NO LORD FOR US TO ANSWER TO!" proclaiming loudly so they could do what they want and everyone in the site of the Lord was VILE but people called it GOOD. pretty much sums up your "non belief" cos thats what "non belief" leads to, vile living and making yourself the god of your life. So enjoy your finite life of rotting away and dancing to your dna (dawkins) I'll dance to the Lords tune of salvation and happily trade this bag of flesh for treasures eternal. Repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as your lord and savior.
Who glorified Jesus the son of God? ACTS 3:13 The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has glorified his Servant, Jesus, whom you handed over and disowned before Pilate, even though he had decided to release him. 14 Yes, you disowned that holy and righteous one, and you asked for a man who was a murderer to be given to you, 15 whereas you killed the Chief Agent of life. But God raised him up from the dead, of which fact we are witnesses.
@@bassmanjr100 dumbest how? if god is father and if kill all children does it make any sense? try to do with your kids and do you think court of law or any law or any human rights or any animals do accept that? Cody is aggressive but has his own point. Like it or leave it. No offense!!
I believe God was showing Abraham that he precisely wasn't the type of God that would demand such nonsense. The Christian God is one who would take that burden on himself, and he plainly demonstrated that by humbling himself by becoming human and dying on the cross for us.
@@theoskeptomai2535 Man, shut up the comment was a reasonable interpretation of the story. I'm not saying his claim is true, I'm saying it makes sense considering how they wanted god to be different from others. So sad they still asked for animals sacrifices and later a human too.
Why would a perfect, omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, objectively moral God need humbling? Unless he were flawed in some way. Do you see the paradox?
According to the bible god precisely did demand exactly that nonsense. Yet you are able to interpret the story to show that god wouldn't do what he did....
He is a fool. The kid is smart and is using reason. Turek didn't have the balls to take the challenge, because he knew that answering the boy's questions would show are ridiculous religious beliefs are.
The easy answer to “is god guilty for [our choices],” is no, we are. We chose freedom and consequences. Because god loved us and wanted us to choose to love him, he gave us that freedom to choose. It’s not his fault what choices we made.
11. And they will not need to teach their neighbors, nor will they need to teach their relatives, saying, ‘You should know the LORD.’ For everyone, from the least to the greatest, will know me already. 12. And I will forgive their wickedness, and I will never again remember their sins.” 13. When God speaks of a “new” covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear. Hebrews 8:11-14 (NLT)
God had already told Abraham that through his seed all nations would be blessed so Abraham knew that if he sacrificed Isaac God would raise him from the dead.
But did you notice what abraham told isaac? Genesis 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together. And he did, Christ.
Honestly, I like Cody's courage of asking tough questions. Something that we need more of nowadays. I would've asked Cody to meet up for coffee afterwards.
17 *By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac:* and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, 18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: 19 *Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead;* from whence also he received him in a figure. Hebrews 11:17-19 (KJV)
P.S. I like your deer profile pic.. God confirmed me Songs of Solomon 8:14 about the deer referring to Christ and spices on the mountains to His Kingdom and riches coming.
It was the evil demon Moloch who told Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac not YHWH the Heavenly Father after Abraham cried out because he didn't want to sacrifice his son YHWH heard his cry it was YHWH the Heavenly Father who intervened by sending Archangel Micha'EL the I Am to stop Abraham from sacrificing his son Isaac to the evil Moloch at which time Abraham started serving YHWH..
If no pain, suffering, death, sadness, was a reality on earth now, we may as well skip judgment and be in eternity from the start. Those are nessecary in humanities overall purpose to exist. Free will isnt real if choice isn't equally represented. If it was all perfect now, we couldn't have the love of a bride truly choosing our groom over the world
Tell that to the victims of sex traffic girls who were raped only to be killed after they are useless. But those girls aren’t really dead, so their parents should all just “calm down”. By your logic, every single victim actually chose to be raped.
Turek evaded the hard question thrown at him by the kid, he kept ducking it, he just went round and round without addressing it. What it means is he didn't know the answer. Very disappointing.
I would’ve said yes an answered his question but the tell him God would not have me do that, it would go against his commandments and he only tasked Abraham to test his faith entirely to tell him.
@@destinationjesuschrist7043 Cody asked this question sarcastically. He asked the question to Annoy Frank, It was to make him uncomfortable and Nervous. But Frank kept his cool and this Annoyed Cody. So it backfired on him. Also God would most likely not ask anyone to Kill their Family to Show their Devotion. God only did this to Abraham Because he was blessing his Bloodline and Tasking him with Strong Tasks. Hope this Helps. God Bless!
Zombie Hunter28 Thank you for your response, but your not in the place to tell me what the boy’s intentions were. You don’t know him or the specific reason he asked. He asked a valid question that should have been given an answer. Frank was scared because he would be scrutinized if he answered yes or no. If he answered Yes he would have been clipped and news outlets would label him as family murderer. But this would also prove he would do anything for God and he could careless what they would try to label or the hate that would follow for a faithful answer. If he answered No, he would’ve been scrutinized by Christians that follow him because he would validating unfaithfulness to God, which would interject that they shouldn’t listen to someone who wouldn’t do something for the Most High. He should answered. Instead he said I don’t know. For example, What if someone did this; If man who came up to you that just murdered someone and felt a blood shame guilt and asked you to tell him about Jesus he wants to know how to be forgiven. Would your answer be like Franks? “Sorry, I wouldn’t know how I would react in that situation because it’s never happened” No if you were a Christian you would say, Yes I would preach the gospel to him because of my Faith in God. Just like his answer should have been Yes. But then he should said God would never have me go through with it like Abraham because it would break his moral commandment.
so sad to see grown men like Dr Turek claim that their invisible friend is real even when they cannot provide the slightest evidence that they actually exist.till there is proof we are entitled to treat and God cla8ms as Mythology nonsense. gods proposed........7000 Gods proven to exist.....0
@@BMFstudiosNYCAs an atheist, how can you say what is objectively right or wrong? Genuinely curious. I know that if I was an atheist, I'd be a nihilistic one. That's what makes logical sense to me.
@@GoofyAhOklahoma Atheism is simply not being convinced that a God exists, because no one has provided any good evidence yet. Morality is based on society's norms which include treating others as you'd want to be treated. It's not complicated and doesn't require a God. Empathy is a human emotion... and if you say God gave us that emotion, you need to prove it... and you need to prove how you know it.
@@BMFstudiosNYC But that doesn't explain how it is objectively wrong to hurt someone. If society determines good and evil, then I guess you have to say that the Nazi's were right to murder Jews. That's what they, as a society, voted for. Without any standard above mankind, you cannot say that there is objective good and objective evil. You say empathy is an emotion, but also, according to you, emotions are nothing more than chemicals in the brain. So why should I have empathy? What makes me evil to be unsympathetic? Why should I follow the golden rule?
Oh let's see, thou shalt not murder is a commandment, isn't it? Sounds pretty simple to me. I'm not aware of any court in the world that would accept the argument "but God told me to do it" except they might send you to an insane asylum than a prison. Secular law is more well-defined than this: where things like self defense are taken into consideration. You know, things that actually make sense, not the arbitrary whims of a capricious tyrant God.
@@jameswatkins7763 Well, when God takes life, it isn't really murder. Let me give an example of what I'm saying. When the prophet Jeremiah talks about the wrath of God, he does so by describing creation falling in on itself. Jeremiah 4:23-26 "I looked on the earth, and behold, it was formless and void; And to the heavens, and they had no light. I looked on the mountains, and behold, they were quaking, And all the hills moved to and fro. I looked, and behold, there was no man, And all the birds of the heavens had fled. I looked, and behold, the fruitful land was a wilderness, And all its cities were pulled down Before the LORD, before His fierce anger." Now, the way Jeremiah describes the wrath of God is more like an account of decreation. It parallels itself to the Genesis account, but in a reverse way, and demonstrates that the biblical authors saw his wrath as the removal of God's good blessings that were brought about in creation. One of which is life itself. Paul even states this in the book of Acts. Acts 17:25 "nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things;" Now, when God does Judge and takes life, is it wrong? Well, no, not at all. If you look at the logic so far, it is merely him removing the blessings he gave. On account of what you may ask? Well, on account of man's rejection of himself. God is life, and those who reject him, reject life itself. Here is Paul's statement on this thought. Ephesians 4:17-18 "So this I say, and affirm together with the Lord, that you walk no longer just as the Gentiles also walk, in the futility of their mind, being darkened in their understanding, excluded from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart;" 1 Timothy 6:14-16 " that you keep the commandment without stain or reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, which He will bring about at the proper time-He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen." So, simply put, this becomes an example of you reap what you sow (Galatians 6:7). God's real punishment to mankind is Him giving them over to the consequences of their actions. You can even hear this in Paul's language in Romans, and through the words of the Psalmist. Romans 1:22-25 "Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen." Psalm 106:35-42 " But they mingled with the nations And learned their practices, And served their idols, Which became a snare to them. They even sacrificed their sons and their daughters to the demons, And shed innocent blood, The blood of their sons and their daughters, Whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan; And the land was polluted with the blood. Thus they became unclean in their practices, And played the harlot in their deeds. Therefore the anger of the LORD was kindled against His people And He abhorred His inheritance. Then He gave them into the hand of the nations, And those who hated them ruled over them. Their enemies also oppressed them, And they were subdued under their power." Through these, you can see that Paul sees that God is giving mankind what they want. And, through this, mankind exchanges the things God offers for idols that do not give life, breath, and all things to them. And, more specifically, you can see this in the way the psalmist speaks about God's wrath to Israel. They had worshiped other gods besides Yahweh, and in his wrath, he gave them over to the nations whose gods they saught. And, what happened to them? They were oppressed by the nations of these foreign gods. God gave them what they wanted, and they receive their due punishment. The natural consequences of what they were after. So, what is God really doing in his Judgements? He's just removing his good blessings that he gives to mankind as they reject the good things of God. He is no longer upholding things by the word of His power that gives the blessing found in creation (Hebrews 1:3). There is nothing wrong with God allowing mankind to have what they want. The only thing is, people are usually not thinking about the consequences of their actions when they seek the things of their own destruction.
@@stephentuck2970 if someone dies, it isn't murder. But as soon as you start defending genocide and ethnic cleansing, where people believe they are killing in God's name and therefore it's not murder, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. God killing is not the same as humans killing! I dont care who's voice is in their head, or which spirit is in their heart. Its evil and people should not be defending it in the 21st century!
@@jameswatkins7763 you know, you’re statements are kind of odd. You act like God has done these things. And yes, I do realize that many people have done awful things in the name of God. But, I don’t see that to be true of the actions of God when his place in the matter is discerned. Also, can you be more specific in your statements. Anyone can make vague accusations and act superior. I would rather know the specifics.
@@stephentuck2970 you apparently lost the plot so ill rewind the tape for you. The question in the video concerned the morality of murdering someone when commanded by God. Your argument is that it's not murder if God does it. Im saying this isn't a valid argument in this case because God is commanding a human to do it. If my father told me to kill someone and I did, the blood is on my hands, not his. Your same logic is used to justify the genocide of the Canaanites and other peoples in the Bible. Its used to justify countless religious wars across the world. Its an evil idea.
I admire how Dr Turek responds to Cody with grace and patience. I really don’t think Cody is really interested in pursuing truth more than trying to get Dr Turek in a “gotcha moment.” Dr Turek doesn’t let Cody get under his skin and does his best to explain his position.
You admire an individual who cannot answer a simple question like the one being asked ? A no brainer for anyone "normal". And we wonder why we live in such a f____d up world !
@@Bugsy0333just because the question is simple doesn’t mean he has an answer. He said he doesn’t know. He’s human. He might have all the faith in the world, but he isn’t perfect and it may lead him to not kill his family. He doesn’t know how he’d react.
@@fadoo6869 If I said to you Would you kill your mother and father to show your support for your God ? Please tell me how long that would take you to answer ?
@@Bugsy0333 If God doesn't exist, of course, it's simple, if God exists, it depends if you trust Him or not. Christians know (thanks to the Holy Spirit), that God exists and that He's good toward us. God wouldn't ask me something dumb and bad for me, and for others. There's always a reason, and with Abraham, it was to "test Him". The Bible explains why Abraham did it. He did it because He knew God was good, and thought that God would resurrect his son afterwards. We don't have to follow blindly a God, but we follow a God because we know that He's good. And if we do as He told us, we will understand what was the plan. With Abraham, God stopped him. And then, I can't say, like Turek, I would kill them. I am a human, with so little faith, and I have a inner nature that rejects God. I'm not God, and I can't control myself, without the help of God.
@@TheNewDada0503 I feel sorry for genuine Christians, especially those in America. Charlatans like Frank Turek and this whole channel always have merchandise to sell. They don't _"sell what they own and give to the poor"_ as Jesus taught. They _"sell what they can and keep the profits for themselves."_ They've destroyed real Christianity.
"THE TRUTH THAT GIVES LIFE" Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus said in response: “I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to young children. 26 Yes, O Father, because this is the way you approved. John 5:24 Most truly I say to you, whoever hears my word and BELIEVES the One who sent me has everlasting life, and he does not come into judgment but has passed over from death to life. 26 For just as the Father has life in himself, SO HE HAS GRANTED ALSO TO THE SON to have life in himself.
Whoever is making the thumbnails need a raise.
FACTS
@Poco Loco I know you're joking but, Jesus don't need no raise. He's past that. He is risen :)
😂 true
@MAROUAN AZIZ The difference between Islam and Christianity is that while in Islam the last messages of Muhammed were violence and jihad, we as Christians have a message of love and acceptance. We moved past violence and were offered a life of selfless love and offering the other cheek. We were left with peace. We live in peace.
@MAROUAN AZIZ by what standard are you judging?
Atheist say why doesn't God kill bad people and then say he's immoral for killing bad people. I used to say that 2 years ago when I was an atheist. Thank you Lord Jesus for giving me wisdom and truth when I prayed for it.
It's more of why does god allow evil like babies being born with cancer and suffering even though they have literally done nothing but breath and cry so far
This made me so happy to hear. I thank Jesus that he claimed you to His children.
Yahweh bless you
How would you answer that question being a former Athiest? Just curious!...praise God that he has opened your eyes!
@@tedidk8639 for special purpose ,he has set of differenent plans .
Do you know Nick Vujicic?
He is Christian evangelist and motivational speaker born with tetra-amelia syndrome, a rare disorder characterized by the absence of arms and legs.
He doesn't complain like you do ,but he motivate others.
God is just and has special plans and purposes.
Choose Jesus
Why did you used to say that as an atheist?
I love how Cody always thanks "Doc" so kindly after he argues with him.
Ikr, they’re so respectful to each other despite
Yes, my respect to him for that respect! 🙏
Really???
You can't see how obviously this is staged?
You're all theists right?
@@ploppysonofploppy6066 Really??? Your so confident that you know its staged? You must be athiest?
@@jjmonty8090 Really, really, confident.
Able to examine the issues and the evidence.
That's fake. Have belief in me.
I used to be an athiest, and like this boy here, I also was smug, and thought I knew it all. But the truth is I just had not thought it through hard or deep enough yet, nor did I have enough experiance to come to real conclusions. This kid is asking good questions, but he has already decided he does not like the answer before he hears the answer. He already has his mind made up, and though he pretends to be the more open minded, logical one, he is actually closed minded and arrogant. It took me almost 15 years of thought to come to the conclusion that God must exist, and that led me to where I am today. You can overcome arrogance, but it requires you to be humbled, and you must also admit that you, personally, are not the moral authority on anything. Once you accept that premise, then your entire mind opens up. I pray this kids questions lead him down a road where he can also see God, and maybe come to know Him.
Which God do you believe it n?
"Once you accept that premise, your entire mind opens up."
The same could be said about subcoming to a delusion or the taking of some drugs. You are not making a valid point.
@@michaelfredgren1342 I suppose 'the premise' could be a bong rip that opens up the mind? I had to ..
gods proposed by humans 7,000
gods proven to exist
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@@clarkelaidlaw1678 countless gods have been proven to not exist by explaining their nature through science and maths, but Yahweh stood the test of time. No one has yet to prove Yahweh doesn't exist through science and maths because mathematic is His language
I always love when people say "it's a simple yes-or-no question" to questions that aren't even remotely simple.
It is though. God commanded such an act in the Bible so it only makes sense to hypothetically phrase it to see if you would do the same. If you're saying that it's more than yes or no then you are implying that it's impossible that you would disagree with God on the decision, which would contradict the idea of objective morality anyways
@@thakraken6995 It's not though. Technically speaking it could have been a 'yes or no', but the problem is if he said "no" then that means he wouldn't take God seriously. If he said "yes" technically this is correct if God commanded him, but as he said, Peter said "yes" and ended up denying Christ three times which makes both answers technically incorrect. He explains it fairly here.
@@RyanHarville so you're saying that God wanted a yes or no answer from Abraham about such an act but somehow it's still not a simple yes or no answer whether one would do what God says? It's interesting that the same Christians who suggest we should do what God says can't answer yes when hypothetically asked if they would do what God asks. People do not want to answer yes because they know what implications that would have on their morality. Even if God command someone to kill their own child hypothetically, why ought one do that?
It really is simple, you only make it complicated. It’s a clear no for me.
@@thakraken6995 I mean Mr Joe Lackey could have just meant, it was harder to answer with yes and no to get an adequate answer to the question. That might be the case. Maybe is not what you think about ideas your saying. Maybe is just about adequacy.
This is the most patient man I've ever seen
Who
@@kevinv9303 The guy asking the questions. It's hard for people to listen to someone talk about stuff they couldn't ever possibly ever know was true
@@Golden_Red_Panda i was asking the guy who made the comment
@@kevinv9303 No need to thank me
@@Golden_Red_Panda not asking u
I need a “where are they now” for Cody
Hi Ruslan! Wasn't expecting you haha
😂😂😂😂
Right 😂
For real
Pray
“None of those people slaughtered people in the name of atheism.” You’re right, they did it because they had no fear of God and had no reason to not slaughter anyone as long as it benefits them.
True.
What's your opinion about the people who actually slaughtered people in the name of God?
Don't you think that is much much worse? Because God didn't ask or ordered them to do it
@@jesuslopez-fe7dv yes if you kill random people and claim that “God said so” you’re also bad. But my problem is that what you’re talking about is so significantly lower than those killed by atheists. Deaths in wars started by religious conflict is less than 8% of all total deaths in wars.
@@jesuslopez-fe7dv they used the name of God just to justify themselves
@@jesuslopez-fe7dv Man’s nature is to be selfish, corrupt, and domineering over others for personal gain. God doesn’t need to kill you because you will die anyway and if you are unrepentant for your sins you will be eternally separated from God with no hope of Him reaching out to you.
" Since Christianity is true, Men just don't die, we just change location".
Wow!
So I guess that Christian logic is that all those sex traffic victims who were first raped, & then killed when they were no longer useful, are not actually dead & that the victim parents should just relax because they aren’t really dead. And the shooter didn’t really killed the girls, thus didn’t really commit any crime to be sent to prison.
@@Junomaster2006 Yes he did, because the killer doesn't have a right to "move" them.
@@perinho6952 in the killer eyes, he believe he did not do anything wrong as he just doing gods bidding. Many serial killers are caused by the parents who were super religious. Just look it up.
@@Junomaster2006 That's theirs problem, they have free will.
@@Junomaster2006: Church-destroying atheist Stalin had millions of people slaughtered. "Look it up."
Edit: So did Christian-basher Hitler. Castro, Mao, Gadaffi, Pol Pot... Tyrants are notoriously anti-Christian, because they can't stand the thought of any authority higher than their own.
Cody- “would you kill your family?”
Abortionist-“only for my own selfish reasons. Never for a god”
Christian Conservative Republican: "Only if my mistress gets pregnant."
@@chadcoady9025 are you assuming ccrs are the only ones with mistresses? Are they really a Christian? Are the really a conservative? You know them by their fruit. My dog thinks it is a human ....
@@rocketsurgeon1746 The ones I'm referring to are about as Christian Conservative as Trump, regardless of their party. What are the metrics to be considered Christian? Is there a test or is anyone who claims to be a christian, technically a christian because the bible is so open to interpretation, that there is no way to prove who or who isn't a christian.
@@chadcoady9025 there will always be fakes. As far as metrics, Jesus was pretty clear when he said love God and love your neighbor as yourself. He also said he who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. There are definitely more guidelines but that is a good start
@@chadcoady9025
_Christian Conservative Republican: "Only if my mistress gets pregnant."_
Straw man.
They dont even care about the christian faith they're just trying to find something to accuse him
Let us not judge Cody, for I was just like him, in attacking the (Christian System).
Then one day, I decided to read the book for end to end, and prove once and for all that it was faulty.
I've lost count how many times, I have gone over and over the various books, but I was not only wrong in my presumptions about the bible,
but completely unable to find fault in any of it.
I thank Jesus for holding my hand through that process, and for supporting me in my faith in him.
I am so glad to be a Christian, and I pray that one day, Cody will come to the same conclusion.
For we are saved by grace, through faith. Amen.
@@russellshand beautiful testimony brother❤
@@russellshand hallelujah
@@russellshand ok, how do ypu handle the problem that god can't feel unconditional love? If I love someone and the feeling isn't mutual I don't torture rape or kill this person. When I love a person color, nation or religion doesn't matter.
@@oxybenzol9254 - Sorry, I don't understand your question.
God is CONDITIONAL, He loves us , but Hates our SIN.
Follow Jesus, and keep his commandments, Then our Sin's are washed CLEAN in the blood of Jesus, and God (who is Jesus) will LOVE us unconditionally.
There is no problem, except the problem of MAN, thinking he is God. does that sound familiar? Amen
In the case of Abraham, the boy was missing some information. Abraham had a promise from God that through Isaac Abraham would have a multitude of descendants. That couldn’t happen if Isaac was dead. Abraham told those that were with them to stay put while he and Isaac went up to the altar alone. He also told them that both of them would return. He believed God. That’s the point. Abraham knew that God would either provide a substitute sacrifice or raise Isaac from the dead….. and it was credited to him as righteousness.
Please, my siblings in Christ, let's not insult nor laugh at unbelievers. That doesn't make us any different, that doesn't make us the salt and light of the world, that doesn't glorify God.
Edit: Let's pray for them instead.
indeed, lets use the chat section as a GOSPEL OPPURTUNITY! I'm terrible with speaking in person but the internet is such a great way to do apolgia and evangelism. plenty of lost souls and ANGRY ones that come to US to talk about the Bible! Hallelujah!
Amen
I'm not a Christian, but I respect your beliefs and opinion. Stay well
''people, don't do X to them. Instead, do this thing that has no effect at all!''
@Aaron M "Muh imaginary friend". I'm sure that even the most desperate anti theists could come up with a better argument than this. Do try
He says its a simple question..... And it's literally one of the hardest questions ever presented to a human being.
Killing your family? Nope, that's incredibly easy.
???
It’s a trick question though. That verse is not about Abrahams faith or God testing us in such a way. It is about Issac’s willingness to sacrifice himself for a God that would sacrifice Himself for us. There is much more to that story than it might appear. Abraham knew Issac was not going to die.
hard? if god told me to kill someone and it was REALLY God? i would id do anything God told me to do
@@marcellofunhouse1234 thank you!!!
In Cody's mind, he probably thought he was gonna debunk christianity with that one question about "killing your family". But dr. Turek is very experienced with these types of questions
Turek does not use his logic circuits. He only says he does
while he defend his faith.
The question that ended Christianity. Lol
@@IsraelRuizGodot did it tho? Christianity is still going on. From what I saw, Cody was acting foolish. The guy is trying his hardest to debunk Christianity but fails everytime. And the question was answered, Cody just wanted him to say yes he would but we really don't know what we would do in a situation like Abraham and Issac.
@@Emptiness9148 I'm being sarcastic. I'm a born again christian and am joking about Cody's naive intentions.
@@IsraelRuizGodot oh, sorry. Hard to tell thru technology and not being able to hear or see the other's expression makes it difficult to know lol
"We don't really die, we just change location." Amazing response.
Yupiity yup! No reasonable to say God doesn't existence 😂😂😂😂
- Did you kill that man?
- No, I just changed his location 🙃
- Ah, got it! You're free to go, good sir
Very amazing! He's basically saying that Jesus didn't die, which means sin cannot be forgiven.
@@Ejaezylol
Body is the only physical part of us that can die or be killed. The other two parts of us are ETERNAL and they continue in existence in a different realm other than earth.@@justarandomdude6175 The
Praise the Lord he snatched me out of darkness
Was an atheist like this guy. Guys PLEASE pray for him. His pride is blinding him from revelation.
God already knows
but he needs you to tell him.
Hallelujah! For every single ONE soul that gets saved the WHOLE OF HEAVEN REJOICES!
We believe God is patient and in mercy and abounding in steadfast love, He WILL give cody as many chances as it takes but not withstanding cody's self deception.
God makes himself known to ALL men so ALL men can be saved and God does NOT delight in the death of sinners.
But if cody prefers hell, then thats his choice
Every religion is based on "revealed truth". What makes you think your particular religion is true?
@@kaizze8777 "But if Cody prefers hell, that's his choice" - Some incredible Christian love here. You're gloating like a sadist. Does that make you feel good, or what?
@J M Anecdotes, fake numbers (which you seemingly find very impressive) and Bible verses. The " 1x10 to the 17th power" thing made me cackle with laughter. Maybe I'll respond more specifically later but your comment is terrifically ridiculous to me, almost to the point of being a waste of time.
I do love Cody, he is so searching for truth in his life. What an awesome young man. I’m gonna pray for him.😉👍🏻
God prefers how or cold. Cody is cold enough there is certainly hope! ; )
Yet Frank could have even answer a simple question for him which probably reinforces atheism
@@thakraken6995 He did answer, "I don't know what I would do in that situation." Just because it's not a "yes" or a "no" doesn't mean it's an invalid answer.
Also, I do gotta say, it's a strawman question. God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son, yes, but what happened to Isaac? Was he killed? No. An angel stopped Abraham because God does not ask for human sacrifices.
@@haachamachama7 if he doesn't know what he would do then he's not really obedient to his God. Imagine thinking somebody is an objective standard but then when that so-called objective standard asks you to do something you don't do it. Goes to show how objective their morality is. Also it's not a strawman since the question is directly relevant to what God allegedly asked of Abraham. Just because Isaac do not end up dying does it mean God did not ask Abraham to do something immoral
Lets pray for Cody
He is just like a Pharisee trying to put Jesus in a spot.
And Pharisees were were Jewish
@@user-ei9ns9hq6b something in common - unbelief.
Lolll
And He ain't buying it
Cici S he* don’t capitalize the “H” unless it’s at the beginning of the sentence or you are talking about God. God bless you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ
the "Thank you, doctor" at the end says everything about Cody, he flies off the handle from a place of passionate hurt for the worlds woes, but he doesn't place that on Turek, but rather challenges Turek to account for them. God bless Cody
Yes. God bless Cody with some spiritual and common sense.
I hope Cody finds God, he'll be a great advocate.
Agreed
No, Cody is on the right track. He is thinking critically about this indoctrination of God and he can see how this book was not inspired by any god, it was written by a barbaric civilization that practiced slavery, sacrifice and slaughter of non believers and many other disgusting things in the name of religion to make their worldview seemed justified. Dr. Turek hides behind fallacious arguments, he tried to get Cody away when he brought up slavery etc. Good job Cody.
Good thing God does the saving work! Keep praying that God saves Cody!
@@evanbondurant853 I pray you find God before the end of you mortal life. God offers the GIFT of salvation. Gifts have to be accepted. God doesn’t send people to Hell. He offers the gift of salvation to avoid Hell. People choose to go to Hell by refusing the gift. And choosing to not believe in God or Hell changes nothing. Both exist regardless of your believing in them or not.
It is not about finding GOD. It is coming to a accord on what GOD diagnosis, and prognosis of our woeful, wretched state is. Cody thinks it Christianity against his wise in his estimation intellect. ✝️💔🧠🛐. The HOLY SPIRIT is who will cause the change in Cody. But Cody must exchange his obstinacy, and deceptive pride. 👤🙈🗣🙉👥🙊🧠💯💔. His 💚of stone for a 💗of flesh.
My uncle said something that always stuck with me.. he said “nephew too many times we think we know more than God and he just sits back laughs at us..” perfect example here
I think Charles Manson said something similar in a similar context. You could justify literally any atrocity with that reasoning.
God just sits back and laughs, "Silly humans think killing your own child is wrong!" "Theyd have no moral system without me!"
@@john1425 It is wrong and it isn't, depends on context. Besides, silly humans be killing their children in all sorts of ways without the need of any higher tier "God". Humans worship the medical industry, worship money, worship science, all of these things end up creating and destroying, just in a very messy, non-sensical way. It's pretty much all a test to see how much you are all willing to put up with. Covid, perfect example, betraying family, friends and neighbors all just to please the government. Silly humans.
@@john1425 what?
@@justinlast1795 i really can't believe your response was, "its wrong and it isnt". You are sacrificing you're humanity defending this.
When I seen "Cody" , I knew I had to come watch this one. Lol
@Adam Lanza’s Last Citalopram
Cody: Why doesn't God kill bad people, why doesn't he stop evil??
Also Cody: Why is god killing these bad people??
@@adolphgracius9996 the question really is why does God need other humans to kill for him if he is all powerful?
The Christian's seem to miss this crucial point
@@oftin_wong A simple answer to that is what makes you think God needs people to kill for him? For someone who apparently created the entire universe and life as we know it, he could do anything he wants, anyway he wants to do it. In this specific circumstance, he chose to order people to do his bidding. Was he capable of wiping them out by himself? Absolutely. But he obviously chose not to. The reasoning behind that decision is what's up for interpretation.
@@trick7039 killing another human will mess you up forever
That's why it's a coward act on gods part. Would you say that because God told them to kill, they wont suffer from nightmares or a bad conscience, or psychosis just business as usual down at the village right?
@@oftin_wong That's once again, a very hypothetical question with no real answer. God could definitely prevent them from having negative side effects from killing, i.e. PTSD, psychosis, etc. At the same time, that killing culture was also extremely prominent during that time in history. So even if they did experience those mental side effects, it probably wasn't thought to be a real problem by the citizens of that time period. Do you think Spartans and Greeks had mental problems from constantly going to war with other nations, those that survived that is? I'd say they probably did. But no one really cared.
Cody was born to be Cody! What a great character. God has great plans for Cody and you too! But you must choose based upon the evidence. May Cody and you choose the Way, the Truth and the Life in Jesus Christ. God bless you.
Abraham never killed Isaac, his son. God was testing his faith
Well, Abraham would have, if He didn't stop him. I think that's the point.
That is the point .... Pretty sure the bible says if youve done it in your heart you are guilty of the sin.
And whether God stopped Abraham or not he committed murder in his heart.
God commands thou shalt not kill last I read
2 people: one Abraham called to sacrifice his own son .... And the other -those worshipping baal which also sacrificed their children
Whats the difference you ask ........ They chose the wrong god to kill for I guess
@@JohnJones-ot5rg You’re not even referencing the scripture right. Jesus said that HATE is committing murder in your heart. Abraham didn’t hate his son🤦🏾♀️. The lack of reading comprehension skills is astounding. You literally created a strawman and now you embarrassed yourself on the internet. Go log out for me bro.
@@JohnJones-ot5rg yea that’s not right bud, Abraham loved Isaac and if you read the story right before they go up the mountain Abraham says to his servant something along the lines of “me and issac will go up and make a sacrifice to God we will both come back down the mountain” so before hand it shows Abraham trusted God, he knew that God would either bring his son back to life or stop him beforehand. What Abraham did was not out of hate or malice or anger. It was out of faith and trust in God.
@@JohnJones-ot5rg 1.) Abraham did not hate his son.
2.) It is you shall not murder. God did not tell Abraham to murder his son. God used that moment to test Abraham's faith and also to be documented for Israel to understand what God did to save humanity by sacrificing His own Son Jesus.
The part that people forget when it comes to Abraham sacrificing Isaac is that the birth was miraculous, and occurred at an age that Sarah was too old to have kids, and she was also barren her whole life. God also promised it wouod be through Isaac that he would make a great nation. So Abraham reasoned that God was going to perform another miracle and resurrect Isaac.
Exactly
Amen, a ram in a bush. Isaac was a promise, God had a purpose for Isaac just like He has a purpose for His creation. Be bless
Exactly
CanadianLoveKnot You said: " So Abraham reasoned that God was going to perform another miracle and resurrect Isaac."
But if that is the case, Abraham did not have faith that whatever God commanded him was good. If you are correct, Abraham actually made a calculated bet that God didn't mean what he said. In many ways, that would be worse than Abraham outright refusing the command of God.
@@hansdemos6510 the whole point was that God was testing his faith, since he had promised Abraham it would be through Isaac a great nation would come. This is directly from the Bible Heb 11:17-19.
Cody's salvation would be as beautiful as Saul's. Keep in mind that the harshest skeptics can become the most passionate believers.
@@HeIsComingBackSoon praise God, brother. Glad to have you.
Still struggling here
@@caviestcaveman8691 keep the faith, don't give up please
everyone's salvation is beautiful and invokes Joy in heaven when one sinner repents.
@@Migueleby what a beautiful testimony. Know that you are loved by your brothers and sisters in Christ world-wide. In the darkest times, The Lord will keep every one of your tears bottled!
These two are so watchable, cody v dr turek should be a special and its nice to see dr turek under some pressure but he doesnt take a step back, i respect that
I just wish he didnt come at it with a heart fully of anger, and instead with an open mind
@@omen1784 i think anger is the wrong description, maybe stubborn in his position but that could be applied to dr turek, theres a few of cody/dr turek, clearly there is a respect if abit grudgingly
The Dr got spanked.. When he knew he was losing it was time to let others talk hahaha..
@@omen1784 you’re are blind if you are Interpreting that someone who’s question logic is “angry”. I rather not blindly follow a cult who basically want people to shut-up, submit & obey without question.
Dr turik has dealt with all those question and much more and had great answer the problem is one you want to ask 10 question at once when you have a line of people and if you no anything of our so called cult called Christianity you would no it actually tells us to seek truth to not be afraid to question that’s what makes us different then any other religion bc we have nothing to hide
Cody is a legend. He's so respectful and so angry at the same time.
@Cleo Fierro lol
Bipolar*
That guy is tripolar
@@iicecourt00 😂😂 fr
He is smug.
The encounters with Cody are the best. Great questions and great answers.
I am actually curious if he was a Facebook & I steam account t that I’d like to follow
Actually the answers were really shitty. Great questions though.
@@travisschlatter2233 oh you think that, People will never accept God
@@travisschlatter2233 The guy on the stage is basically justify God as a evil person
@: god is a person. God walks, God talk, god sleep. That’s all attributes to man. U just called him a “he” so by you doing that you subconsciously view God as a man. There is no his goals or his plan because he’s not real lol
I wanna ask Cody this:
If you were the judge and you know your son would grow up to become a serial killer and rapist, how would you handle it? Would you kill him before he grows up? Then in other people's eyes you're just a murderer. Would you let him grow up and become a rapist serial killer? Then in other people's eyes that's injustice and you don't deserve to be judge. Even if you sentence your son to death after he commit all those crimes, there would still be people yelling "he didn't deserve death", and at the same time, there would be others yelling "he deserved way worse than a quick death". Or, would you bind him up in the basement and blindfold him, then feed him and keep him alive? Then where's his free will?
If one of us were in charge, there would be no right answer. But thank God that he is the one in charge. No matter how much evil we bring into this world, in the end He will use it for good.
This seems like such a simple question to me. Just as Frank said, there is no pleasing atheists. No matter what God does they will shake their fist at him, meanwhile at the same time stealing morals from him and claiming he doesn't even exist.
I hope everything clicks in Cody's brain, would be nice if he could use his passion in a better way; the same way Paul did.
It has been 2 years, anyone know how Cody's doing right now?
Edit: I just had a thought, if you're an atheist, doesn't it mean that you believe everything is simply a physical phenomenon? In which case you can't say what Hitler did was wrong, because it was just neurons firing in his brain. You also can't claim murderers or rapists are evil. It would be the same as saying "earthquakes are evil". Consciousness is just an illusion right? We're just a domino without a conscious mind. Just as Frank said, you can't claim that there is evil or injustice in this world without acknowledging the existence of God.
Also, I love these videos, they are amazing for training students in apologetics!
If Cody knew Torah, what we woefully mis- translate law, especially in the Hebrew. He'd understand as Holy Spirit would illuminate his understanding that G-d is Good always! And, as Father and Creator there are reasons to all that He does especially when we do not walk in His ways. Our choices are the results of whether we reap the blessings or the curse, life or death. (Deuteronomy 30: 19-20)
When G-d removed the "ites" from the land it was because the cup of iniquity was full. Sin vomits its inhabitants out out the land. Similarly, as America will answer as the cup of iniquity (sin, idolatry) continues to defile this land
Also, when He asked Avraham to slaughter Yitzhak, you'll notice Avraham's hand was stayed, and another sacrifice made. This is a prophetic picture of Almighty G-d offering up His own Son Yshua/Jesus as the only acceptable sacrifice for the sins of the world. 🙏🏼🩸
As it's the thief, hasatan, who comes to steal, kill and destroy. (John 10)
Shalom,
Would YOU kill your child given the same circumstances that you put forth ?
@@rtaggs8178 That's not the point. The point is realizing that we as human beings aren't capable of making the best judgement. And since we can't even make the best judgment who or what gives us the right to judge God's decisions?
Now, even if we assume that I have all the information I need to know for certain that my child needs to die, the right thing to do would be to kill him. But, just because I know what the right thing to do is doesn't mean I also have the strength to actually do it. We as Christians are constantly struggling with this exact thing till death; just as Paul wrote.
We cannot predict the future, not even our own actions. Peter said that he was willing to die with Jesus on the cross, but Jesus and reality proved him wrong. Does that mean Peter was lying? No. His spirit simply could not overcome his fleshly instincts. He was willing until he was actually thrown into the situation. But by the end of Peter's life, he had enough faith in Jesus to be crucified upside down for Jesus' name's sake.
The opposite might also be true. At this moment, I don't believe I'll ever have the courage to make the right but difficult choice if and when the time comes. But maybe by then God would've strengthened me enough for me to make the right choice.
Am I willing to sacrifice myself for others? Yes. Do I actually believe that if I have to jump on a grenade to save others I would do so? No. But if I am actually faced with a similar situation, who knows what decision I would make. It is for this reason that actually asking these types of questions is pointless. The purpose isn't to get an answer but to realize that we don't know the answer; and nor do we know what the right answer would be.
Say we kill a serial killer before he kills anyone else. But what if all of his victims would turn out to cause even more evil and suffering? Wouldn't it have been better to let the serial killer live and murder the ones even more evil than he himself?
The point is to realize that we as human beings will never have _all_ the information necessary to make the best judgment. It is out of our control. Trying to control the uncontrollable is foolish. We can try to make the best choice we can based on the information we have. By no means am I saying that we can never make choices. But we do not have the right to criticize the all-knowing God's decisions.
And to be honest, the same thing may apply to other humans as well. Someone might make a decision that seems evil to the rest of us, but if we have access to the information he has, we might end up making the same choice and realize that he was right.
If another fellow imperfect human being may make a better choice than us, how much more so with the perfect God? Infinitely more so. We can't even criticize other humans without knowing the exact information they have access to at the time. What gives us the right to criticize God?
Just because something doesn't make sense to us doesn't mean it actually doesn't make sense. Just because we can't find the answer to a question doesn't necessarily mean that there is no answer. We are not the center of the universe, and believing so is simply arrogance. We are not and do not get to set the standard.
My life, my way. God gave us free will. I appropriately apply it . Things turn out for the best most times. God talks to me and says he is proud of me.@@kevinwang7894
Two points:
1) Our Father did not ask for Isaac to be murdered, he asked for Isaac to be sacrificed. Whilst both would ultimately result in Isaac's death the meaning behind them is very very different.
2) Love is not unicorns and rainbows, love is tough. So tough that our Father chose to allow His Son to be sacrificed. God our Father, and Jesus our Messiah DID what Abraham was asked to do, they DID what Cody asked. Out of love FOR US. Let that sink in and tell me if you think that we should not worship them.
That Cody himself stated he cannot condone genocide or murder tells me his conscience is intact and he has not truly turned away from the Lord. I pray the Holy Spirit enters this young man and guides him to the Truth, the Life and the Way.
Cody,
Know that God loves you.
Come on Cody we are all praying for you.
Praise Sasquatch!
Exactly 🙏🏽♥️🙏🏽♥️
@@tomwinchester55 ah yes the divine have spoken
@@step938 thanks...smart man!
11. And they will not need to teach their neighbors, nor will they need to teach their relatives, saying, ‘You should know the LORD.’ For everyone, from the least to the greatest, will know me already. 12. And I will forgive their wickedness, and I will never again remember their sins.” 13. When God speaks of a “new” covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear.
Hebrews 8:11-14 (NLT)
I bet Cody is a hard working man!
I remember feeling that way, and I hope you will pray for him..
Instead of praying for him....maybe you could really try to understand what he is saying.
@@tomwinchester55 thank you for making sense
@@Sabito86591 if he answers Cody's question...no, he would not kill his children, he looks like a hypocrite.....if he answers yes, he looks like a lunatic. He will never answer that question.....
@@tomwinchester55 exactly.
When I was an atheist I tossed this one at my dad. It always reminds me of Pharisee and people trying to trap or trip up Jesus.
This young man needs our prayers, let's keep him in our prayers.🙏
Amen
Amen.
Amen!
Amen!
He needs to set aside his bias and listen. You can tell he couldn't care less about the answers from Frank. It is just anger and hate. I feel pity for him. Even from a purely secular point of view you can tell he is a miserable, hate filled person. Yes, he needs prayer.
I like Cody’s attitude. Great questions Cody! God is a good loving God. He’ll open his eyes if He wants to.
As an average Christian I do believe nothing can question my belief in the existence of God...tbh.. if I try to get the answers to the questions these atheist ask, it's possible I become an atheist.
I asked questions like this when I was younger tho and my parents and pastors could not give me a good answer for my age but they helped me by telling me not to think about them. Now, I've grown I understand the answers to those questions. God bless you Dr. Turek🙏🏽..more Grace🔥
the same thing happened to me lol, God bless you
We dont have the answers everything and atheists either.
His intelligence is too shallow to understand Turek's point about not having a standard to appeal to other than his own. Every single atheist I've ever talked to either has no refute against this point or they just misunderstand it completely saying "I don't need God to know right and wrong". It's painfully ignorant
People have addressed that point many times. Secular morality is not necessarily any more subjective than the morality that Frank proposes.
But it gets an easy applause from his audience, so he uses it as a deflection tactic whenever Old Testament atrocities are brought up.
@@incredulouspasta3304 but the question is, how can you say something is wrong outside your own personal opinion if you dont have where to get a guide. I mean, you can say, depending on the society's better benefits, but then we would go back to the time strong villages attacks weaker ones, stealing women and killing men to avoid challengers and you wont be able to judge them, because thats more beneficial for them.
@@nathatkd
You can't say something is wrong outside your opinion. There is not objective right or wrong but even with a god this does not change, still just an opinion.
@@tedidk8639 "I didn't murder him, that's just your opinion." You can say this to a judge all you want, but you're still going to jail.
@@michaelmiky11
Yes your going to jail just like how nazis sentence jews to there death. Might does not make right. What's your point here?
Cody wants so badly to believe, he just cannot get his “intellect” out of his way.
He’s like the atheists who hang on videos like these, if they don’t believe at all then they have no reason to be here but they still keep coming back. Tells me everything about them.
Someone is correct, though we don't know who that someone is....
Intellect is not the problem....in fact apologetics entire aim is to give an intellectually satisfying answer to the existence of God....to remove unreasoned doubt as a stumbling block and allow a person to genuinely seek for God; not the point at which we find Him, but at which we begin seeking, and perhaps it is to that you are referring.
Faith comes from knowing, not knowing about God;
which is about relationship not intellect.
The thing is Bro I don't think Cody wants to believe at all in that would require some kind of relationship.
My bet is he was raised in a home declaring Christianity but not living in relationship living rather in hypocrisy.
I want to be clear we all fail, we all sin, parents as often as children, Christians as often as anyone else, but when we go to church on Sunday and pretend we are holy and our kids know the truth its poison.
There is nothing more destructive than a person claiming there is a God and not living like it....claiming He is real and never seeking Him.
@@patrickedgington5827 I disagree on the intellect thing, having knowledge and wisdom are different things. Knowledge is intellect, it’s having information and as we learn with Adam and Eve, it’s often not profitable but, wisdom is always a benefit. I believe in the relationship and coming to know God vs having knowledge of God or of science or of math. I agree with the above statement on ego but, I believe modern day intellect feeds the ego abs Vice verses so, they are one in the same in Thule above vid. Cody wants to believe because he keeps coming back. Something is driving him to hear the word abs truth. Even if it’s his ego/intellect, perhaps this is a case in where God is using the negative to bring about the best! You are 100% on all of us falling. I’m rooting for this kid, I hope he accepts the truth!!!
That's right. Intellect and logic is very difficult to get around. You have to completely delude yourself to believe in God.
@@penguincommando1088 Yup, the God you’ll be crying for help from when your time comes....and it will.
I always enjoy and am blessed by listening to Dr. Frank Turek answer questions. When I heard Cody ask, 'Would you murder your wife if God told you to do so?' my mind jumped to Galatians 1:8-9 (ESV):
8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.
9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
One of the largest non-Christian religions, Islam, and one of the largest cults, Mormonism, began from supposed angelic revelations.
Islam: According to Islamic tradition, the Prophet Muhammad received revelations from the archangel Gabriel over a period of approximately 23 years. These revelations were later compiled into the Qur'an, the holy book of Islam, which forms the foundation of Islamic teachings and law.
Mormonism: Joseph Smith claimed that in 1823, an angel named Moroni appeared to him and revealed the existence of golden plates buried in a hill in New York. These plates, which Smith translated and published as the Book of Mormon, are considered scripture by members of the LDS Church. The Book of Mormon is one of the central texts of the LDS faith.
This passage in Galatians emphasizes the importance of adhering to the true gospel and warns against accepting any other teachings, even if they come from "seemingly divine" sources.
Scripture does not contradict itself. A so-called vision from God or an angel cannot contradict what we are instructed in the Bible. In addition to Galatians 1:8-9, several other scriptures support the position that a Christian should not follow an instruction to murder someone, even if it seems to come from an angel or a divine source. For example:
Exodus 20:13 (ESV): "You shall not murder." This commandment explicitly forbids murder, establishing it as a fundamental principle of Christian ethics.
There are many other examples in Matthew, Romans, and elsewhere, but the main point is that any so-called visitation from God or His angel representative cannot go against what God has already given us in Scripture. This is KEY in making life's decisions.
Note: "Kill" is not to be confused with "murder." A great deal of confusion was caused by the King James Version stating in Exodus 20 that we should not "kill," leading many to believe that we cannot be called into military service or kill to defend our lives or those of our family against would-be murderers. Later translations rightly say we are not to "murder," which is a significant difference from the word "kill."
I feel sorry for you i truly do !
Cody is a champ. Gets emotionally angry but when he tell him that there is a line waiting he comes down and thanks the doc. Be like cody!
No be like Christ.
Amen!
Awesome Cody! Critical thinking. Something the sheep don't do.
Absolutely a light between all those "followers"
@@papermason Cody is like Christ, critical thinker , not a follower
Those were great questions that Cody posed. We, as followers, need to be bold enough to seek the answers to these type of questions to better understand our own faith and the perfect God we worship. Only then can we arm ourselves with the real knowledge to answer platitudes and defend our own faith with true understanding of that which we have faith in.
Always know that there are atheists out there that know the words in the Bible better than you. Just make sure you’re doing your part to match their studies so that you don’t just know the words of the Bible, but also the Word of God.
The think is they may know what is in the Bible, but they have a lack of understanding and have no wisdom to guide themselves. Hopefully all will lift the heads high and see the truth.
Absolutely!!!
@nevetsessagal6755 “It’s not that simple”
@@SovereignRules I think that Galatians 2:16 basically says “man can’t be saved by good works; only through faith in Jesus Christ.”
But the way I think you’re interpreting it is to say that we don’t have to do what God says anymore since we’re not in the Old Testament anymore and therefore the old laws (and I guess anything God might command you do to?) are a moot point.
So the question is, if God asked you to kill your son or daughter, today, could it be safely ignored? You seem to imply, yes. But let’s put that question aside for a second. The reality of this situation is that God DID ask someone to kill their child at one point in time. Put yourself in Abraham’s shoes and pretend like you’re still living under the old law.
The fact that the old law no longer has to be followed is completely besides the point that’s being made by this question, which is in no way “dumb”. Saying “well we don’t have to do what God says anymore” is a really shitty way of sidestepping the question entirely.
@@SovereignRules I'm not sure that any amount of additional context could somehow justify God asking Abraham to kill his son in my own mind, as it relates to my own personal sense of ethics and morality. But we can just say that God is sovereign and therefore I simply am incapable of understanding his actions, so my opinion can safely be ignored.
Jesus bless everyone 🙏🏽
I really liked the point he made about how atheists complain that God doesn't deal with iniquity, but at the same time, when He does, they claim it's genocide. I never thought about it that way before, and I'm so grateful I found this video. God bless!
it's the same thing when you point out God is a just god so and punishes people so they end up in hell, no no no your god is wicked how can he send people to hell for eternity... ok, God is a loving god and has forgiven everyone and everyone can be saved... no no no, what kind of a god is he, you mean he can forgive Hitlet, what about grapists, etc... lol. you can't win with them lol.
@@scruffyafro3632👍 In response to your response on God being just a god in the comments section of "Dr Turek would you kill your child. I congratulate you on your excellent post. I completely agree with you and you made me think. Thanks for the mental stimulation. You did some fantastic thinking.
@@scruffyafro3632same thoughts.. that is what I told myself was when I was in an "atheist" phase. I wonder why God would send people to hell if he is really a "good" God then I realized I don't want him to bring those demons in human form to heaven🤣
And the ultimate point is that if those groups of people had submitted to God and followed Him, the problem would’ve been solved without God having to take more drastic measures.
Literally no they don't. And if they do yes it is genocide but if this "Iniquity" was GENUINE "iniquity" then an atheist wouldn't care however it is still genocide but if this "iniquity" was for example a gay couple or blasphemy then those are not justifiable things to eliminate someone for or to even call "Iniquities" even.
Cody himself will be a great testimony of salvation and he'll suprise himself🤣😇
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I don't know how it is that you have this peculiar gift of predicting the future. I don't know nor can i predict this young man's future but i do hope he keeps his skepticism alive.
Hope prediction comes true. 😎👍
The old testament treats women like property....this is the moral standard of christianity
@@truesoundboy1 And islam?,................even worse today in certain countries.
How could Turek be so Smart?
I wish I had a bond with God and his blessings so great as Tureks.
God bless you all there and your Families in Jesus Name.
Amen!
It also takes years of studies to get to this level. You can do it if you comit to it.
Anyone can reach that bond. You wondered why turek was so smart. The Bible says Intelligence is the knowledge of the Holy One ☝️
@@marcocortes9968 you both are right.
I better do some apologetic studies alongside my bible studies
Cody is definitely searching for truth!!! God bless him!! He has been through alot in his life.
Agreed. I love his energy! I really think he's got a bunch of spunk... I want to see him redeemed really badly dude...
amen
@@CaptainPantys amen
Cody knows the truth more than Turek does.
@@ilsevanlegos7529Cody wouldn’t be asking someone with God the questions, but that said Cody is still very smart it’s just he’s not understanding the faith concept
I used to be an atheist and the way Dr. Turek treated this man was a perfect way to deal with atheists. He showed the atheist respect and kind words 🙏 it was this kind of behaviour that eventually turned me to religion.
Turek thinks that if God doesn't exist then genocides are OK. Not very kind.
I got to know what the hell made you start believing in fairy tales was a fear of death or desire to see your loved ones again I can't imagine what would convince somebody that didn't believe
Cuz I mean anybody can be nice and respectful how does that prove crazy silly magic things happened. Especially since the morality of the Bible is so absolutely revolting
@@darkeen42 Of course you can’t imagine, you like me and everyone else is infinitesimal when it comes to knowledge of God. Our capability to know God is very, very limited so we must rely on faith and trust in God. Those people who don’t have faith and trust in God think worshipping Him is foolishness. Notice I said people think give their opinions, but can never give irrefutable proof that there is no God or that He does magic. Man attributes things He doesn’t understand or comprehend to magic. God doesn’t do magic, God does CREATION. CREATION isn’t magic but to finite people such as you , me and everyone else because we can’t understand it we call it magic. I believe God/Jesus when He states to Martha in John 11:25-26, “ I am the resurrection and the LIFE. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall LIVE . And whoever LIVES and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?” We won’t be judged by Jesus on head knowledge or logic but on how we answer that question.
"By atheism there is no standard of right and wrong anyway".
Best reply ever to a smug new atheist who thinks he's a better moral person than God.
Second being "Atheists complain when God doesn't stop evil, and complain when he does..."
It would be better put to say "Atheists typically don't believe in a supernatural standard of right and wrong," if you're at all interested in accuracy.
@@zargonofb I agree and when said like that it is a neutral statement whereas other ways of saying it could make the Hypothetical Atheist feel as though the statement might be a negative jab directed towards him. So anytime something can be worded or phrased in a nuetral way is ideal.
@@levelwithz3779 Really?
Because new atheists rarely are that considerate of believer's sensibilities, painting all as dumb supertitious self righteous fools beneath contempt.
But again, what is the objective standard for a new atheist, since you agree with the above statement?
Supernatural or not.
@@el_killorcure The ultimate goal should be to lead an Atheist to Salvation. Regardless of how they treat believers we should hold ourselves to a higher standard of how we treat them.
I am a more moral than what you call god. I believe slavery is wrong. I believe that women are not second class individuals. I did not mutilate my son when he was born. I don’t need some grand wizard in the sky for me to know right from wrong. How does god stop evil? What proof can you give that evil was stopped by a god?
This young man is going to be humbled so well one day, that we're going to watch his testimony of coming to faith..
You don't know that. He might continue to harden his heart.
Keep on predicting the future if you have that unusual gift. I only wish he keeps on being sckeptical.
@@danielmann5427 we should pray that he repents and accepts Jesus. He’s a bright young man; it would be a shame to lose him.
I would certainly pray that God softens Cody’s heart just like He softened Paul’s on the Damascus road. Jesus commanded us to love the Lord our God with everything we have first, and to love our neighbors as we would ourselves. That includes our critics, our skeptics, our worst enemies, everyone. Because we are all still His children.
No you aren't, because you are going to be dead one day just like him and the rest of us
"this is a simple question... that may end in divorce and losing custody of your kids"
And the dumb s*** Doc didn’t give the correct answer YES.
and life in prison
@@scambammer6102 “Do you swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God?”
@@Eric666morse I do not
@@scambammer6102 That is basically what Turek didn’t do. If he believes the Bible to be %100 true! he would have said “Yes”. And in court… “God told me to do it”
Cody asks perfectly reasonable questions that are very hard to answer. These are questions any believer needs to ask themselves. True, these aren't simple yes/no questions as Cody states, but he is right to ask them. He was perfectly respectful. If you're afraid to address or answer anything found in the book you claim to believe in, then you aren't actually a believer. It doesn't mean you have to have a great answer for everything you don't understand, but you certainly must account for the difficult questions.
Everyone except atheist can ask that question. That's what he said. Because there is no morality in that worldview.
The thing is, like most hypotheticals, the hypothetical in Cody’s question is utterly fruitless: it ultimately doesn’t matter what Turek thinks he’d do; it only matters what he would do. Those are two very different things. Nobody can know what they would do under a stressful situation like the one Abraham was put in until they experience it. So many presidents say they will do such and such a thing when they become president, and yet they only do a handful of those things when in office. Turek is only being honest when he says he doesn’t know what he would do. If he said he would do “x/y/z” then that would be ignorance of all the factors which could influence his decision in that moment. If he said, “I think I’d do x/y/z,” then that would mean nothing. It certainly wouldn’t prove his faith as faith is only proven in action. It’s like saying, “If I were in the NBA, I think I would win every game.”
Yeah, sure…
Agree...and I'll go further....Turek CAN NOT answer the question; if he say's "yes, I'd kill on god's command" then he's a terrorist, and would lose his stature. IF he say's "no", then he's not a believer. It's that simple, folks...either stand up for what you claim to believe and is the truth, or don't. "I don't know"...that answer tells me all I need.
@@polaroidsky I think you're making the question more complicated than it is. It's not as simple as Cody is making it, but it's also not nearly that complex. Frank would do whatever God instructed him to do, including what Abraham did. Otherwise, he cannot possibly be a true believer in what he is saying about God. He doesn't want to say it, because it is terrible to imagine, and terrible to actually say.
@@jedward5155 Idk what to say, man. I disagree. First of all the question is loaded by using the term murder which isn’t an accurate description of what taking a life for God would be. When one human kills another human outside of the realm of their authority, that’s murder because the author of life did not grant them the right to do so, but when humans fight each other in war as a means to settle disputes and preserve peace that is not murder because God gave the authority to the government to do so. Same thing with killing in self defense: it is not murder because the govt which was appointed by God gave us the authority to do so. So when the highest authority with the greatest oversight commands one to kill their son, it isn’t murder because God, the ultimate authority above all authorities, has commanded it.
The funny thing is that God never let Abraham go through with his sacrifice. Rather, he stopped him and said he would provide his own sacrifice. Who was that sacrifice? Jesus: his own son. So what Cody described wasn’t even something Abraham did. He was prepared to do it, but he never did. It was a test for Abraham and a prophecy for all mankind. In other words, it appears that not even God could say whether Abraham would be prepared to sacrifice his son until he was tested. How then can we expect Turek to conclude what he would do in such a circumstance?
Finally, contrary to what you described, belief in God does not entail an assumption that you will always do good. If that we’re so, then why did Jesus die to atone for our sins? Was it not because we need forgiveness? And if we need forgiveness, don’t that imply that we are not perfect? And if we are not perfect, why would we have the audacity to say that we will always perfectly obey God’s will? We need forgiveness because we still cave to sin on occasion, and this is the beauty of the gospels: that while we are becoming more Christ-like through a joint effort between the Holy Spirit and our spirits, our saving belief in God is not determined by works, but through acknowledging that we need Christ in order to obtain forgiveness from God. We can still believe in this even when we fail to be obedient. In fact, our sin only highlights how much we need him.
Cody’s asks the question like it’s a yes/no question, but given the loaded way he phrased it, and by using the incorrect terminology and misrepresenting what actually occurred in scripture, it would be foolish to attempt to answer it as it was presented, and so Turek attempted to correct his question such that he could answer it, but Cody (at least initially) objected with an utter frustration that wasn’t warranted given the weight of the question. Thankfully he was respectful at the end, but this initial frustration revealed that he didn’t care so much about understanding Turek’s thoughts on the matter, but rather that he wanted Turek to step in his snare so he could object with, “You see! Christians want to murder their families!” For the emotional appeal rather than to encourage productive dialogue that might bring some understanding.
whoever makes the thumbnails has a great sense of humor
🤣🤣🤣🤣
When Cody says “Doc”
It has a Back to the Future vibe
I love how Frank just answers with patience and peace within himself. If I was the one being asked, I would've snapped.
BS!
Snapped??? Really??
Snapped at an atheist for condemning genocide, when a so-called believer justifies it??
The difference between Christian and Islamic fundamentalism is, the former cloaks itself in a garb of superiority and is sanctioned by the State, which makes it more deadly.
Imagine a Sheik in Afghanistan saying if Allah sanctions the bombing of the US, then that isn't wrong, in fact, that is righteousness. Wouldn't that Sheik be stripped off any rights to travel into the US??
Christianity is worse than Islam.
If all it takes is a question for you to snap then you’ve got no business being responsible for a family let alone even being allowed to go outside.
Lol guess you haven’t seen the debates where he goes crazy and loud lol
@@loungydocatheists that go coo coo Krazy berd beer be like: evolution true coo coo lol 😂😂😂! 🎉
Note the hostility, it seems almost personal like he is angry at his father or church upbringing.
Frank Turek makes me enjoy apologetics all the more. I find presuppositional apologetics the most Biblical. When Frank challenges so-called atheists and agnostics to come up with a basis for any ethic or for reason, he is so effective. Often they will misunderstand Frank to be saying that they can't be moral or can't reason. But Frank is challenging them to provide a foundation for any moral or for reason if you are an atheist. You can't. They are working with borrowed Christian capital and then critiquing Christianity.
The basic foundation for morals is survival.
In my opinion.
@@ts9332If you’re stuck on a island will you kill the person next to you for you to survive?
@@ts9332sure, but that’s pretty broad I would say. Because some people commit atrocities regardless if their survival is at stake or not. Which means there is evil that’s beyond nature, which means there is also good that is beyond natural instincts
@@davidhiramreyes6490 I've never been in that type of situation. Until someone finds themselves that hungry and that close to death that question can't be answered truthfully.
We know humanity existed before christianity or theocratic religion. You think nobody had any morals or ethics before then? Why does a mother seek to protect their children? Why would a father provide for the family?
May God change the heart of Cody. He has the heart of a fool currently.
His heart is harden as a stone
@DanielKovacs33 "He has the heart of a fool currently." If he is such the fool then it should be simple for you to provide testable evidence to show your god exists.
@@alanbaraka9800 You are argumentative?
Highly annoying lol. But i love him still.
@@davidmorris9668 I am requesting evidence for the claims of theists.
I feel like Frank has a heart for this young man.
I do too😂
You are truly intelligent and incredibly charismatic, Frank.
Thank you for how you handle things and tell so well.
But you haven’t answered the question so would you murder your family to show your devotion to God? Yes/ No ?
Cody is a good lad to be fair, always makes me chuckle, as does the admin of this video.
THAT WAS A BRILLIANT EXPLANATION, GOD BLESS YOU DR TUREK AND YOUR PEOPLE YOU COME IN CONTACT.
I know you don't want to die I know you'll believe absolutely anything you have to to deny your own mortality but we know how the brain works well enough to know everything about you that is you is the end result of a process happening in your brain when that process stops you just stop existing you don't go anywhere just like a fire doesn't go anywhere when you put it out the chemical process stops so the fire just disappears grow up stop harming society so you can believe these fairy tales seriously grow up
Frank is really the most patient and gentle person. There’s so much to learn in just how he responds and speaks kindly.
There's a lot to learn about grifting I suppose
Frank does not know anything more about his invisible friend than Muslims know about theirs..it is absurd to claim to know what their friends does..will do..cares about so forth intil it can be demonstrated to be real.there have been 7,000 plus gods that have been proposed by humans over time in hundreds of different languages and in hundreds of different countries.there is not and never has been the slightest evidence that any of them are real.until there is evidence we rational folk are entitled for dismiss all God claims and place them where they belong in libraries in the section marked Mythology.
Hes justifying genocide.....what a gentle person 🤦🏾♀️
Frank Turek is one the biggest frauds in history.
Smugly change subject to athiests cant say genocide or murdering your children is wrong ..instead of dealing with the issue of god ordering these hits..classic turek bs
4:03 He just pulled "racism" out of thin air.
Torqued off. Pushing 'hot buttons issues. That is what people do when they have nothing.
And all those things he listed came from the devil...Not from God.
When an atheist cannot refute the argument change the subject
Exactly and if God "created racism" why aren't toddlers racist? Racism is obviously a man made creation. That may have been his worst take in several bad points.
exactly lol even slavery u read the bible and u see its NOT AT ALL LIKE the atlantic slave trade. the slaves had an option to become A SLAVE IN THE FIRST PLACE smh atheism is so empty
”Is God immoral for ....” listen bro, who gon prevent God from doing what He wants?🤣
Logic will
@@Junomaster2006
Logic is God’s.
That is good stuff fire🔥🔥 GOD BLESS IN JESUS NAME@@JP-sd7di
Who is gonna stop god from being the evil he is? ...
@Aleksa Marković because all that morals came from God
Having good morals means you are always trying to do the right thing
Being religious means doing as ordered regardless of what is right
These thumbnails just keep getting better!
I really like Cody's enthusiasm. I have to say however that when I hear his voice I fully expect him to start with, "Whoa, duuude!"
CODY!
Dude I love Cody. Always great vids when he’s involved.
He is a clever guy
I must have wax in my ears, sounds like Cody is saying "Dr Shrek" heh
I think he is,lol.
Really? Ridicule of a fellow human being that may have a speech impediment? How very Christian of you 👍🏻
Same here , but it just the way I hear.
Sounds more like "Dr. Tchurek" to me
@@PositivelyBrainwashed what does that matter?
I love how atheists claim morality is subjective. Then go on to say God is evil. Smh 🤦♂️
So? God is evil in their wordview. He is cruel character in the book.
@@johnmakovec5698 but their worldwide is skewed. You as a mere human cannot decide what’s evil and what’s good.
@@user-ym5is9zy4b Of course I can decide, what is evil and what is good. I can also create a book and write, that god hast told me to tell you what is evil and what is good. And if my book become successfull, you will consider my opinion to be divine morality.
@@johnmakovec5698 sure, if you and about 39 other authors write 66 different books over a span of a couple thousand years without ever having met one another and without a way to contact each other or know about the existence of one another for the most part. And somehow, all 66 of your books combined create a perfect story accurately predicting the future while transforming lives of those who believe in it for the better. Then and only then would I consider it worthy.
@@user-ym5is9zy4b Nicely put I applaud that comment.
i love how he’s so respectful
Abraham knew God would provide a lamb. That showed his faith.
So why did he bother asking Abraham to kill Issac?
Dr.Turek, your giving me goosebumps, in almost talks you do actually. And yeah, to be fair to Cody.. I think he is a good person. I just feel that he just really wanted to debunk the "God idea", which obviously he does not believe. But I think even if you are a non believer and still do good deeds. Your still doing it for the lord. God bless us all.
Mr Turek is an amazingly patient and good man.
It takes so much courage for Dr. Turek to answer these hard hitting questions.
He didn't answer.
He did. He literally said I don’t know what I would do. When asked to murder his wife and kids. What would you do? If you had a wife or kid. Obviously you don’t but play pretend
@@yummyteeth7021 I'd kill the person asking me to commit murder, obviously. Yes, even if it was God. Especially if it was God.
I was told that Abraham was willing to do it cause he had faith that God would bring his son back to life if he wonted to. And he new that God told him the all nations would be blessed through his son.
"God is not a cosmic mafia boss."
Lmao I imagined Capone Gang Bege from One Piece but on a cosmological scale.
Man, you really should meet that guy! He's a family-man, he loved his wife and son so much 🤣
Mafia bosses don't kill for no reason either
@@Themystergamerr Hm... True 🤨
I'll tell him that when i meet him
Yahweh (in all of his depictions) is far more evil than any mafia boss
Hey you too watch one piece?
I love all your videos' thumbnails, this one really cracked me up.
The only thing Cody is hurting is himself---and his lost soul!
It's likely that he has been damaged by religion.. Realizing you've been lied to by the people you trust the most (teachers, priests and parents) leads many to become bitter and angry with the religious organizations.
Poor Cody
He is using logic against a faith based apologist.
It is useless.
@@JamesRichardWiley Titel has just proven that it is Bible that is logic, not Cody’s atheistic agenda.
@Conan R you don’t need any faith to be an atheist. if you’re not convinced that a god exists then you’re an atheist, hence atheism is a lack of faith. i don’t have enough faith to be a christian
@@littleredpony6868 everything you just said if anything proves God exists. The Bible talks about you people who says "there is no God" and the Bible calls you lot FOOLS.
Also in psalms it is writeen that people proclaim on the street "THERE IS NO LORD FOR US TO ANSWER TO!" proclaiming loudly so they could do what they want and everyone in the site of the Lord was VILE but people called it GOOD.
pretty much sums up your "non belief" cos thats what "non belief" leads to, vile living and making yourself the god of your life.
So enjoy your finite life of rotting away and dancing to your dna (dawkins)
I'll dance to the Lords tune of salvation and happily trade this bag of flesh for treasures eternal.
Repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as your lord and savior.
I love that people who oppose one another are having a CONVERSATION. NOT A FIGHT. BRAVO!
Who glorified Jesus the son of God? ACTS 3:13 The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has glorified his Servant, Jesus, whom you handed over and disowned before Pilate, even though he had decided to release him. 14 Yes, you disowned that holy and righteous one, and you asked for a man who was a murderer to be given to you, 15 whereas you killed the Chief Agent of life. But God raised him up from the dead, of which fact we are witnesses.
Amen!
Yay cody has returned🤣
Highlighting your most angry, dumbest opponents is a good tactic.
@@bassmanjr100 dumbest how? if god is father and if kill all children does it make any sense? try to do with your kids and do you think court of law or any law or any human rights or any animals do accept that? Cody is aggressive but has his own point. Like it or leave it. No offense!!
I believe God was showing Abraham that he precisely wasn't the type of God that would demand such nonsense. The Christian God is one who would take that burden on himself, and he plainly demonstrated that by humbling himself by becoming human and dying on the cross for us.
Wow. You sure know your mythology. I'm impressed. Tell me about the the dude with the horns and pitchfork.
@@theoskeptomai2535 Man, shut up the comment was a reasonable interpretation of the story.
I'm not saying his claim is true, I'm saying it makes sense considering how they wanted god to be different from others. So sad they still asked for animals sacrifices and later a human too.
Why would a perfect, omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, objectively moral God need humbling? Unless he were flawed in some way. Do you see the paradox?
According to the bible god precisely did demand exactly that nonsense. Yet you are able to interpret the story to show that god wouldn't do what he did....
I'm not a Christian, but I respect your beliefs and opinion. Stay well
Thank you Dr Turek! Thank you Cody!
Dr Turek is so patient. That’s probably his biggest strength
He is a fool. The kid is smart and is using reason. Turek didn't have the balls to take the challenge, because he knew that answering the boy's questions would show are ridiculous religious beliefs are.
Kongodiantotela ok, god bless you 🙏🏾
@@Kongodiantotela Nothing you said is true. How do you have any subscribers at all.
Cody's courage is on another level
Cody for f*cking president!
Cody's *stupidity
Does it take more courage to try and debunk God than to believe in God?
@@ianalan4367God doesn't exist slave
@@wayback872 your existence says otherwise. Or wait let me guess we were all just made by coincidence because science suggest that’s how it happened.
Cody is giving me holier than thou vibes
That’s his mentality, he thinks he’s lack of moral justification gives him better morals than Christians.
@@justchilling704 but yet uses stolen moral values to beat against the moral giver....smh
Than ‘you’ vibes or, than ‘so’ vibes?
You feel your beliefs are divine and earn you special treatment not applicable to those w/o your belief. You are the epitome of "holier than thou."
@@brunorhagal That’s the complete opposite of Christian teaching and doesn’t even make sense, get out of here.
The easy answer to “is god guilty for [our choices],” is no, we are. We chose freedom and consequences. Because god loved us and wanted us to choose to love him, he gave us that freedom to choose. It’s not his fault what choices we made.
This young man is more Christian than he knows himself.may jesus move and work in him to open his heart to God.amen
When the other guy asked frank this question frank said he would kill his kid....what a horrible religion
11. And they will not need to teach their neighbors, nor will they need to teach their relatives, saying, ‘You should know the LORD.’ For everyone, from the least to the greatest, will know me already. 12. And I will forgive their wickedness, and I will never again remember their sins.” 13. When God speaks of a “new” covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear.
Hebrews 8:11-14 (NLT)
@@repentofyoursinsandbelieve629 thanks for the sermon
He does not believe in a God so he is atheist by definition
God had already told Abraham that through his seed all nations would be blessed so Abraham knew that if he sacrificed Isaac God would raise him from the dead.
But did you notice what abraham told isaac?
Genesis 22:8
And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
And he did, Christ.
Honestly, I like Cody's courage of asking tough questions. Something that we need more of nowadays. I would've asked Cody to meet up for coffee afterwards.
Cody’s questions are with a mean heart, he is lost. He is not acting courageous, he is acting like a coward.
@@joshkirkland5736 Why are theists so judgmental ?
Can you answer that for me Josh ?
@@joshkirkland5736 Why couldn't the guy answer a simple question?
how is that a simple question
Cody is nasty, but good enough that he sits down when he was asked to do so.
Cody demonstrates glaring self righteousness in the face of saying he is GOD.
17 *By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac:* and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
19 *Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead;* from whence also he received him in a figure.
Hebrews 11:17-19 (KJV)
I suppose this means something to you.
AMEN!!!
P.S. I like your deer profile pic.. God confirmed me Songs of Solomon 8:14 about the deer referring to Christ and spices on the mountains to His Kingdom and riches coming.
It was the evil demon Moloch who told Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac not YHWH the Heavenly Father after Abraham cried out because he didn't want to sacrifice his son YHWH heard his cry it was YHWH the Heavenly Father who intervened by sending Archangel Micha'EL the I Am to stop Abraham from sacrificing his son Isaac to the evil Moloch at which time Abraham started serving YHWH..
If no pain, suffering, death, sadness, was a reality on earth now, we may as well skip judgment and be in eternity from the start. Those are nessecary in humanities overall purpose to exist. Free will isnt real if choice isn't equally represented. If it was all perfect now, we couldn't have the love of a bride truly choosing our groom over the world
Tell that to the victims of sex traffic girls who were raped only to be killed after they are useless. But those girls aren’t really dead, so their parents should all just “calm down”. By your logic, every single victim actually chose to be raped.
@@Junomaster2006 I don't see anything about choosing what happens to yourself. Please explain further.
The thumbnail creator just got a raise and just going crazy with it😂😂😂✊🏼✊🏼✊🏼
I literally clicked because of the thumbnail before I checked the title 😂😂😂 Crazy
@@markThaSon same!!😂😂😂
Always the best. 😁
Turek evaded the hard question thrown at him by the kid, he kept ducking it, he just went round and round without addressing it. What it means is he didn't know the answer. Very disappointing.
I would take that a step further and say that Frank's family and friends should be very concerned about his lack of response to this question !
“I don’t know what I would do” isn’t an answer?
"It's a simple yes or no question" which means "I am going to take something very complex and not listen to what you say"
I would have said, than don't waste my time and give me a hard question
Religion is a very complicated thing because their are many different opinions. I talk about God to those who want to listen.
I would’ve said yes an answered his question but the tell him God would not have me do that, it would go against his commandments and he only tasked Abraham to test his faith entirely to tell him.
@@destinationjesuschrist7043 Cody asked this question sarcastically. He asked the question to Annoy Frank, It was to make him uncomfortable and Nervous. But Frank kept his cool and this Annoyed Cody. So it backfired on him. Also God would most likely not ask anyone to Kill their Family to Show their Devotion. God only did this to Abraham Because he was blessing his Bloodline and Tasking him with Strong Tasks. Hope this Helps. God Bless!
Zombie Hunter28
Thank you for your response, but your not in the place to tell me what the boy’s intentions were. You don’t know him or the specific reason he asked.
He asked a valid question that should have been given an answer.
Frank was scared because he would be scrutinized if he answered yes or no.
If he answered Yes he would have been clipped and news outlets would label him as family murderer. But this would also prove he would do anything for God and he could careless what they would try to label or the hate that would follow for a faithful answer.
If he answered No, he would’ve been scrutinized by Christians that follow him because he would validating unfaithfulness to God, which would interject that they shouldn’t listen to someone who wouldn’t do something for the Most High.
He should answered. Instead he said I don’t know.
For example, What if someone did this;
If man who came up to you that just murdered someone and felt a blood shame guilt and asked you to tell him about Jesus he wants to know how to be forgiven.
Would your answer be like Franks?
“Sorry, I wouldn’t know how I would react in that situation because it’s never happened”
No if you were a Christian you would say,
Yes I would preach the gospel to him because of my Faith in God.
Just like his answer should have been Yes.
But then he should said God would never have me go through with it like Abraham because it would break his moral commandment.
You are incredible Dr. Turek we need more like you in the church and in the world
so sad to see grown men like Dr Turek claim that their invisible friend is real even when they cannot provide the slightest evidence that they actually exist.till there is proof we are entitled to treat and God cla8ms as Mythology nonsense.
gods proposed........7000
Gods proven to exist.....0
@@BMFstudiosNYCAs an atheist, how can you say what is objectively right or wrong? Genuinely curious. I know that if I was an atheist, I'd be a nihilistic one. That's what makes logical sense to me.
@@GoofyAhOklahoma Atheism is simply not being convinced that a God exists, because no one has provided any good evidence yet. Morality is based on society's norms which include treating others as you'd want to be treated. It's not complicated and doesn't require a God. Empathy is a human emotion... and if you say God gave us that emotion, you need to prove it... and you need to prove how you know it.
@@BMFstudiosNYC But that doesn't explain how it is objectively wrong to hurt someone. If society determines good and evil, then I guess you have to say that the Nazi's were right to murder Jews. That's what they, as a society, voted for. Without any standard above mankind, you cannot say that there is objective good and objective evil. You say empathy is an emotion, but also, according to you, emotions are nothing more than chemicals in the brain. So why should I have empathy? What makes me evil to be unsympathetic? Why should I follow the golden rule?
"its a simple question"..... dude, since when has murder ever been a "simple" matter????? that messed up.
Oh let's see, thou shalt not murder is a commandment, isn't it? Sounds pretty simple to me. I'm not aware of any court in the world that would accept the argument "but God told me to do it" except they might send you to an insane asylum than a prison. Secular law is more well-defined than this: where things like self defense are taken into consideration. You know, things that actually make sense, not the arbitrary whims of a capricious tyrant God.
@@jameswatkins7763 Well, when God takes life, it isn't really murder. Let me give an example of what I'm saying. When the prophet Jeremiah talks about the wrath of God, he does so by describing creation falling in on itself.
Jeremiah 4:23-26 "I looked on the earth, and behold, it was formless and void;
And to the heavens, and they had no light. I looked on the mountains, and behold, they were quaking,
And all the hills moved to and fro. I looked, and behold, there was no man,
And all the birds of the heavens had fled. I looked, and behold, the fruitful land was a wilderness,
And all its cities were pulled down
Before the LORD, before His fierce anger."
Now, the way Jeremiah describes the wrath of God is more like an account of decreation. It parallels itself to the Genesis account, but in a reverse way, and demonstrates that the biblical authors saw his wrath as the removal of God's good blessings that were brought about in creation. One of which is life itself. Paul even states this in the book of Acts.
Acts 17:25 "nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things;"
Now, when God does Judge and takes life, is it wrong? Well, no, not at all. If you look at the logic so far, it is merely him removing the blessings he gave. On account of what you may ask? Well, on account of man's rejection of himself. God is life, and those who reject him, reject life itself. Here is Paul's statement on this thought.
Ephesians 4:17-18 "So this I say, and affirm together with the Lord, that you walk no longer just as the Gentiles also walk, in the futility of their mind, being darkened in their understanding, excluded from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart;"
1 Timothy 6:14-16 " that you keep the commandment without stain or reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, which He will bring about at the proper time-He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen."
So, simply put, this becomes an example of you reap what you sow (Galatians 6:7). God's real punishment to mankind is Him giving them over to the consequences of their actions. You can even hear this in Paul's language in Romans, and through the words of the Psalmist.
Romans 1:22-25 "Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen."
Psalm 106:35-42 " But they mingled with the nations
And learned their practices, And served their idols,
Which became a snare to them. They even sacrificed their sons and their daughters to the demons, And shed innocent blood,
The blood of their sons and their daughters,
Whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan;
And the land was polluted with the blood. Thus they became unclean in their practices,
And played the harlot in their deeds. Therefore the anger of the LORD was kindled against His people
And He abhorred His inheritance. Then He gave them into the hand of the nations,
And those who hated them ruled over them. Their enemies also oppressed them,
And they were subdued under their power."
Through these, you can see that Paul sees that God is giving mankind what they want. And, through this, mankind exchanges the things God offers for idols that do not give life, breath, and all things to them. And, more specifically, you can see this in the way the psalmist speaks about God's wrath to Israel. They had worshiped other gods besides Yahweh, and in his wrath, he gave them over to the nations whose gods they saught. And, what happened to them? They were oppressed by the nations of these foreign gods. God gave them what they wanted, and they receive their due punishment. The natural consequences of what they were after.
So, what is God really doing in his Judgements? He's just removing his good blessings that he gives to mankind as they reject the good things of God. He is no longer upholding things by the word of His power that gives the blessing found in creation (Hebrews 1:3). There is nothing wrong with God allowing mankind to have what they want. The only thing is, people are usually not thinking about the consequences of their actions when they seek the things of their own destruction.
@@stephentuck2970 if someone dies, it isn't murder. But as soon as you start defending genocide and ethnic cleansing, where people believe they are killing in God's name and therefore it's not murder, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. God killing is not the same as humans killing! I dont care who's voice is in their head, or which spirit is in their heart. Its evil and people should not be defending it in the 21st century!
@@jameswatkins7763 you know, you’re statements are kind of odd. You act like God has done these things. And yes, I do realize that many people have done awful things in the name of God. But, I don’t see that to be true of the actions of God when his place in the matter is discerned. Also, can you be more specific in your statements. Anyone can make vague accusations and act superior. I would rather know the specifics.
@@stephentuck2970 you apparently lost the plot so ill rewind the tape for you. The question in the video concerned the morality of murdering someone when commanded by God. Your argument is that it's not murder if God does it. Im saying this isn't a valid argument in this case because God is commanding a human to do it. If my father told me to kill someone and I did, the blood is on my hands, not his. Your same logic is used to justify the genocide of the Canaanites and other peoples in the Bible. Its used to justify countless religious wars across the world. Its an evil idea.
I admire how Dr Turek responds to Cody with grace and patience. I really don’t think Cody is really interested in pursuing truth more than trying to get Dr Turek in a “gotcha moment.” Dr Turek doesn’t let Cody get under his skin and does his best to explain his position.
You admire an individual who cannot answer a simple question like the one being asked ? A no brainer for anyone "normal". And we wonder why we live in such a f____d up world !
@@Bugsy0333just because the question is simple doesn’t mean he has an answer. He said he doesn’t know. He’s human. He might have all the faith in the world, but he isn’t perfect and it may lead him to not kill his family. He doesn’t know how he’d react.
@@fadoo6869 If I said to you Would you kill your mother and father to show your support for your God ?
Please tell me how long that would take you to answer ?
@@Bugsy0333 If God doesn't exist, of course, it's simple, if God exists, it depends if you trust Him or not. Christians know (thanks to the Holy Spirit), that God exists and that He's good toward us.
God wouldn't ask me something dumb and bad for me, and for others.
There's always a reason, and with Abraham, it was to "test Him".
The Bible explains why Abraham did it. He did it because He knew God was good, and thought that God would resurrect his son afterwards. We don't have to follow blindly a God, but we follow a God because we know that He's good. And if we do as He told us, we will understand what was the plan. With Abraham, God stopped him.
And then, I can't say, like Turek, I would kill them. I am a human, with so little faith, and I have a inner nature that rejects God. I'm not God, and I can't control myself, without the help of God.
@@TheNewDada0503 I feel sorry for genuine Christians, especially those in America. Charlatans like Frank Turek and this whole channel always have merchandise to sell. They don't _"sell what they own and give to the poor"_ as Jesus taught. They _"sell what they can and keep the profits for themselves."_ They've destroyed real Christianity.
"THE TRUTH THAT GIVES LIFE"
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus said in response: “I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to young children. 26 Yes, O Father, because this is the way you approved.
John 5:24 Most truly I say to you, whoever hears my word and BELIEVES the One who sent me has everlasting life, and he does not come into judgment but has passed over from death to life. 26 For just as the Father has life in himself, SO HE HAS GRANTED ALSO TO THE SON to have life in himself.
Sounds like quotations from the infamous Hebrew Bible which I found too barbaric and tribal for my freethinking humanism.