Man your argument is so compelling. The greatest benefit of appendix is faster draw but that’s also dependent on the person. I could even think of a situation where if someone had me a gun point my wife could be behind me and grab my firearm. She’d have to be a good shot and I’d be a shield but there’s neither here nor there lol
I carry small of the back, I am right handed but buy left hand holsters so the grip is easily reached and the gun is secured in my hand. Its a fast and secure draw for me
I have been holster my CCW gun in my back for years now and I’m 100% agreed with you of the fact that I can actually take my gun easily with both hand and I think is something so important that lots of people don’t think about it and they prefer keep the gun on front . Even with my gun in my center back I learned how to draw it pretty fast great video and finally someone said it!
I appreciate the info. I've been carrying for 12 years, appendix the whole time. I'm gathering information on pros and cons of carrying SOB and you certainly offer a compelling reason to carry SOB. Although I would probably never endorse carrying SOB, your perspective is worth noting in my research. Thanks for taking the time to make this video.
I have been carrying for probably 10 years or so now and I started with a right side draw SOB holster and I loved that. It is easily hidden on my small frame and you can grab it while reaching for the wallet which has its compliments. But I broke that holster and have since been carrying appendix which has its pros and cons. I personally like both methods but they both have their own drawbacks too. I dislike the comfort of appendix but it’s also on your front in that scenario of falling down on your back. Pros and cons.
I use to carry on the Side then a friend of mine told me if there is a hold up in a situation and you get checked by the bad guys it could easily be detectable carrying in the back is less detectable.
I carry appendix now and always have. That being said, I have a welcoming belly to say the least. Appendix can be extremely uncomfortable at times so I’m doing research on other carry methods. This is definitely a great tip for SOB carry and I’m definitely going to give it a shot! Thanks for the vid!
I agree with your ideas; especially with smaller size guns. For concealment, with smaller frame guns this works best. This is not a location most people would look for or expect a gun to be. I find with most shirts or clothes worn not tucked in, the weapon remains concealed... of course there is give and take with whatever method you choose.
Thanks for sharing this. I feel pretty good about carrying in side the belt, 4 o’clock . I’m left side dominant. Easy to draw left handed from the back for me. Secondary I draw with my right hand from the front. By moving my pistol, say to around 3 o’clock I can manage to comfortably sit in my vehicle. Not so keen on appendix carry for all the obvious reasons.
I carry SOB. It's really comfortable and very easy to keep concealed for me. It's no good in a vehicle, or drawing while sitting. I guess if you fell on it, it would hurt. Falling hurts sometimes. I can draw with either hand, probably not as quick as open carry from the hip, but quick and consistent enough to be confident. I can't imagine it getting yanked, at least not in a face-to-face confrontation.
Most right handed people will use the left hand as their distance keeper. So they can punch or use the right. I like the idea of the back carry tho for a lot of scenarios. I think you could train some good sneaky draws plus if you have to suck for cover you can get to it.
When you draw go straight down with your weapon it clears your fabric so there's no entanglement and pulls the weapon in close to your body in close quarters you need to fire from the hip
Small Of the Back Carry is awful because: 1)Slower than hip/AIWB 2)Gun is easily spotted from behind 3)serious back injury if you fall on your back 4)dangerous to reholster 5)if an enterprising bad guy notices your shirt riding up and makes a grab for your gun you're kinda fucked
@@tacticoolmemes6895 every carrying position has an issue. You can say the same thing with just about every one of them. You carry what ever is comfortable and allows you to actually CC.
Growing up (I'm 51), small of back was standard. Today everyone appendix carry. There is no right or wrong, do what is comfortable for you. BTW everyone - no on pays attention to you. Appendix carry kills my pelvis so I small of back carry. TIP: Buy the opposite hand if you're going to carry in the small of your back. Take your existing right-hand holster and put it in the small of your back. You'll quickly figure out why.
i don't love appendix. i have used it off and on for a few years and it always just bugs me because it's tough to bend over. but i do like the added control of the gun.
I carry the same. 4 O'clock usually for the same reason. Small body frame. I do not ever carry appendix. If I shoot my butt I can can live with that better than a severed femoral artery. I will also on occasion with large pant legs calf carry. With a jacket I prefer but not always a shoulder holster. Thanks for sharing.
@@spencerwhite4131 Point the gun in its holster somewhere else and you won't shoot the femoral artery if there is a negligent discharge when something snags the trigger. Fingers are not the only things that can pull a trigger.
1st mistake gun too big. 2nd mistake not keeping it in your pocket. 3rd mistake don't put your self in a situation you can't easily draw from unnoticed. Play the unarmed victim back up then draw un noticed.
@@tacticoolmemes6895 -- I made no claim regarding time/speed. The 97 is a full size, all steel pistol that weighs 48 ounces loaded. The holster is not like the one in the video, it's diagonal, palm-in draw (looks like an upside-down, left-handed, cross-draw holster). I bought the holster because of "The Blacklist". If you know, you know. th-cam.com/video/-FsDl-xGuSE/w-d-xo.html
This is a confusing video for me to understand. You expect to have a hand to hand engagement with an assailant and say you can't grab your gun left handed in the appendix position. How is that any different from your back side? You have further arm travel and the grip can only be draw in one direction. This seems more like a training issue and a gun placement issue. Fight with your non dominant hand/arm and secure your firearm with your dominant arm. But avoiding the situation is the obvious and least practiced skill.
Because if the gun is placed in the back with the handle to the left, the gun is in a comfortable position to easily grab and draw it with the left hand, because the fingers can slide under the grip. But the dynamic is different from appendix with the handle facing right. Try it for yourself.
@@BullShooterswithJeffJohnston Either way you place the guns grip, you have a disadvantage for the opposite hand, front or back. It all comes down to training. It's much harder to free up an arm when grappling to reach behind your back vs you front work space. I don't agree with your logic but if it works for you, then by all means🤘
As someone who does carry SOB for the same reasons as described in this video, I can say that I really do think it’s perhaps the only position that allows for establishing an easy master grip with either hand quickly. But you will need to practice it a lot to get the feel and the muscle memory in place. I practice drawing palm-in with my right (dominant) hand, but palm-out with my left hand. It works very well.
@@fyreous Small Of the Back Carry is awful because: 1)Slower than hip/AIWB 2)Gun is easily spotted from behind 3)serious back injury if you fall on your back 4)dangerous to reholster 5)if an enterprising bad guy notices your shirt riding up and makes a grab for your gun you're kinda fucked
appendix just use a 1911 with a actual safty with a posative click.. .. i sold myne unfortunitly shit happens ,,, now its a taurus pt 58s the one without the decocking lever just a safty .. and deed a new posion with a smaller gun .. .. lookin around her on youtube for ideas .. in skinny old 67 and 6foot eight .. long skinny fraim .. .... this posision looks good ..
When you fall carrying SOB it can beat nightmare, I know two people who fell in thier gun and have nerves issues now because it messed up Thier spines. If you get someone in to of you in a fight, and your absolutely will be in the ground in a fight, then your can't get the gun out. Please please please think ever doing SOB carry. There's a million reasons it's not good and no reason it is good. Three last thing you wanna be doing in a first fight is literally putting a hand behind your back. I've got 5 combat deployments, 12 years as a LEO with a few use of force by firearm and I've been an instructor for 18 years.
You should take ECQC with Craig Douglas or Fighting Pistol with Tactical Response. SOB carry will leave you paralyzed if you go to the ground. For the exact reason you say it's a good option. If a criminal is close enough to touch you and you haven't obtained a master grip on the gun yet, odds are you're going to end up on the floor.
I have taken fighting pistol with Yeager at tactical response. Learned a shitload. Still do. Not really sure how SOB it will leave you paralyzed if you go to the ground, as if there is a good way to roll around with a gun in a fight. But just as I said in the vid , I'm not claiming to be the end all expert. This shit is constantly evolving. I do appreciate the feedback and for watching!!
This is why you carry a straight blade on your weak side.... If the attacker is within arm's reach and you go for the gun, all hands are going to the gun because everyone knows if it comes out everything changes. Don't even try to pull the gun... hold it in the holster with your strong hand, pull the blade with your weak hand and give the attacker a tune up until he lets go of ya.
Small Of the Back Carry is awful because: 1)Slower than hip/AIWB 2)Gun is easily spotted from behind 3)serious back injury if you fall on your back 4)dangerous to reholster 5)if an enterprising bad guy notices your shirt riding up and makes a grab for your gun you're kinda fucked
"1)Slower than hip/AIWB" Probably... "2)Gun is easily spotted from behind" Not necessarily. If you're wearing a hoodie or a vest it won't print and he demonstrated how little it printed in a t-shirt. "3)serious back injury if you fall on your back" Small odds of that and less if you wear the gun off center. Less chance of shooting yourself in the groin though, which will likely kill you. "4)dangerous to reholster" And appendix carry isn't? Come on, man... "5)if an enterprising bad guy notices your shirt riding up and makes a grab for your gun you're kinda fucked" No worse than 3 or 4 o'clock carry.
@@HalfCrazy520 2)Every case where a concealed carrier got their gun snatched that I know of has been from that position. 3)plenty of cops with back injuries from their handcuff pouch would beg to differ... 4)you can at least look the gun into the holster with AIWB 5)except your bending your arm even worse...
@@tacticoolmemes6895 I usually carry at 3:00... However, I did just get my Craft SOB holster (diagonal palm-in draw). Both my CZ 97 and P-01 fit in it nicely
@@shinji1264 I choose where I sit based on where my gun is... If the gun in 3 or 4 o'clock I sit in a booth left side out. I like back to the wall or a view of the door. But additionally, my wife will be situationally aware and carries too.
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appreciate that!
I bet the elites won't send their child to war, because they have no problem sending yours😃
Man your argument is so compelling. The greatest benefit of appendix is faster draw but that’s also dependent on the person. I could even think of a situation where if someone had me a gun point my wife could be behind me and grab my firearm. She’d have to be a good shot and I’d be a shield but there’s neither here nor there lol
I carry small of the back, I am right handed but buy left hand holsters so the grip is easily reached and the gun is secured in my hand. Its a fast and secure draw for me
I think I'm going to do exactly what you mentioned, order opposite strong side so I can carry in the small of my back via palm out.
I didn’t think of this as an option thanks
Same here. I like the sticky holsters like that also, Palm In Small of the Back
Bro....I thought I was the only one who did this 😂 👍
Same here. Appendix carry kills the part right above my wedding tackle so to speak, especially when sitting down. And yep, I have a beer gut.
I have been holster my CCW gun in my back for years now and I’m 100% agreed with you of the fact that I can actually take my gun easily with both hand and I think is something so important that lots of people don’t think about it and they prefer keep the gun on front .
Even with my gun in my center back I learned how to draw it pretty fast great video and finally someone said it!
I appreciate the info. I've been carrying for 12 years, appendix the whole time. I'm gathering information on pros and cons of carrying SOB and you certainly offer a compelling reason to carry SOB. Although I would probably never endorse carrying SOB, your perspective is worth noting in my research. Thanks for taking the time to make this video.
Does it ever cause you lower back pain?
@@CreditedJester2 If you land on it, it sure as heck will.
Although I've heard it's perfectly safe appendix Carrie scares the hell out of me I always picture that gun going off into my femoral artery
I have been carrying for probably 10 years or so now and I started with a right side draw SOB holster and I loved that. It is easily hidden on my small frame and you can grab it while reaching for the wallet which has its compliments. But I broke that holster and have since been carrying appendix which has its pros and cons. I personally like both methods but they both have their own drawbacks too. I dislike the comfort of appendix but it’s also on your front in that scenario of falling down on your back. Pros and cons.
good stuff. thank you for commenting
Get a mastrtmind tactical pillow
I use to carry on the Side then a friend of mine told me if there is a hold up in a situation and you get checked by the bad guys it could easily be detectable carrying in the back is less detectable.
I carry appendix now and always have. That being said, I have a welcoming belly to say the least. Appendix can be extremely uncomfortable at times so I’m doing research on other carry methods. This is definitely a great tip for SOB carry and I’m definitely going to give it a shot! Thanks for the vid!
I agree with your ideas; especially with smaller size guns. For concealment, with smaller frame guns this works best. This is not a location most people would look for or expect a gun to be. I find with most shirts or clothes worn not tucked in, the weapon remains concealed... of course there is give and take with whatever method you choose.
Thanks for sharing this. I feel pretty good about carrying in side the belt, 4 o’clock . I’m left side dominant. Easy to draw left handed from the back for me. Secondary I draw with my right hand from the front. By moving my pistol, say to
around 3 o’clock I can manage to comfortably sit in my vehicle. Not so keen on appendix carry for all the obvious reasons.
I get a lot of crap for this video. Guys saying I'm going to fall on my back, when I can fall on my head at any time!
I carry SOB. It's really comfortable and very easy to keep concealed for me. It's no good in a vehicle, or drawing while sitting. I guess if you fell on it, it would hurt. Falling hurts sometimes. I can draw with either hand, probably not as quick as open carry from the hip, but quick and consistent enough to be confident. I can't imagine it getting yanked, at least not in a face-to-face confrontation.
Not it most likely wouldn’t hurt. Because you probably wouldn’t feel from your waist down
Why not just hip carry?
@@tacticoolmemes6895 woah woah youngster. I bet you want him to carry one of the new Tupperware guns . In some nazi calibers.
Do you feel any sciatica pain?
Most right handed people will use the left hand as their distance keeper. So they can punch or use the right. I like the idea of the back carry tho for a lot of scenarios. I think you could train some good sneaky draws plus if you have to suck for cover you can get to it.
When you draw go straight down with your weapon it clears your fabric so there's no entanglement and pulls the weapon in close to your body in close quarters you need to fire from the hip
NICE! Great tutorial 👌
Good job Glad you pointed that out thank you
you are welcome sir!
Jeff, I have a problem, I can only conceal my gun in a sob type holster yet I can't find one that I like. What is that one that you use in this video?
Small Of the Back Carry is awful because: 1)Slower than hip/AIWB 2)Gun is easily spotted from behind 3)serious back injury if you fall on your back 4)dangerous to reholster 5)if an enterprising bad guy notices your shirt riding up and makes a grab for your gun you're kinda fucked
@@tacticoolmemes6895 every carrying position has an issue. You can say the same thing with just about every one of them. You carry what ever is comfortable and allows you to actually CC.
@@mikenewton2563 and some carry positions have a lot fewer issues than others...
Growing up (I'm 51), small of back was standard. Today everyone appendix carry. There is no right or wrong, do what is comfortable for you. BTW everyone - no on pays attention to you. Appendix carry kills my pelvis so I small of back carry. TIP: Buy the opposite hand if you're going to carry in the small of your back. Take your existing right-hand holster and put it in the small of your back. You'll quickly figure out why.
i don't love appendix. i have used it off and on for a few years and it always just bugs me because it's tough to bend over. but i do like the added control of the gun.
The thing with small of back and 3/4 o clock is that youre not constantly flagging yourself. Appendix just feels like tempting fate too much lol🤣
Thanks for the tip JJ!
I carry the same. 4 O'clock usually for the same reason. Small body frame. I do not ever carry appendix. If I shoot my butt I can can live with that better than a severed femoral artery. I will also on occasion with large pant legs calf carry. With a jacket I prefer but not always a shoulder holster. Thanks for sharing.
You can’t shoot your femoral artery if you don’t have your finger on the trigger 🤷🏻♂️
@@spencerwhite4131 Point the gun in its holster somewhere else and you won't shoot the femoral artery if there is a negligent discharge when something snags the trigger. Fingers are not the only things that can pull a trigger.
1st mistake gun too big. 2nd mistake not keeping it in your pocket. 3rd mistake don't put your self in a situation you can't easily draw from unnoticed. Play the unarmed victim back up then draw un noticed.
lmao WHAT is up with that optic you got on
I just bought an SOB holster for my CZ 97B... we'll see...
post it against the shot timer.
@@tacticoolmemes6895 -- I made no claim regarding time/speed. The 97 is a full size, all steel pistol that weighs 48 ounces loaded.
The holster is not like the one in the video, it's diagonal, palm-in draw (looks like an upside-down, left-handed, cross-draw holster). I bought the holster because of "The Blacklist". If you know, you know.
th-cam.com/video/-FsDl-xGuSE/w-d-xo.html
@@HalfCrazy520 loool like the weebs who buy a Jericho.
@@tacticoolmemes6895 -- We get it... you don't like SOB carry. In that case, you probably shouldn't do it. No reason to be a dick about it.
Kind of tough to draw when that CZ pulls your pants around your ankles.
This is a confusing video for me to understand. You expect to have a hand to hand engagement with an assailant and say you can't grab your gun left handed in the appendix position. How is that any different from your back side? You have further arm travel and the grip can only be draw in one direction.
This seems more like a training issue and a gun placement issue. Fight with your non dominant hand/arm and secure your firearm with your dominant arm. But avoiding the situation is the obvious and least practiced skill.
Because if the gun is placed in the back with the handle to the left, the gun is in a comfortable position to easily grab and draw it with the left hand, because the fingers can slide under the grip. But the dynamic is different from appendix with the handle facing right. Try it for yourself.
@@BullShooterswithJeffJohnston Either way you place the guns grip, you have a disadvantage for the opposite hand, front or back. It all comes down to training. It's much harder to free up an arm when grappling to reach behind your back vs you front work space. I don't agree with your logic but if it works for you, then by all means🤘
@@a1v175 Roger that. Thanks for watching and commenting.
As someone who does carry SOB for the same reasons as described in this video, I can say that I really do think it’s perhaps the only position that allows for establishing an easy master grip with either hand quickly. But you will need to practice it a lot to get the feel and the muscle memory in place. I practice drawing palm-in with my right (dominant) hand, but palm-out with my left hand. It works very well.
@@fyreous Small Of the Back Carry is awful because: 1)Slower than hip/AIWB 2)Gun is easily spotted from behind 3)serious back injury if you fall on your back 4)dangerous to reholster 5)if an enterprising bad guy notices your shirt riding up and makes a grab for your gun you're kinda fucked
Does your hat have Korean characters on it? 😮
I like that way thank you im going to practice
appendix just use a 1911 with a actual safty with a posative click.. .. i sold myne unfortunitly shit happens ,,, now its a taurus pt 58s the one without the decocking lever just a safty .. and deed a new posion with a smaller gun .. .. lookin around her on youtube for ideas .. in skinny old 67 and 6foot eight .. long skinny fraim .. .... this posision looks good ..
Just carry 2 guns. One appendix one small of back.
perfect
You holster is backwards for sob carry
Makes sense, another option 👍
When you fall carrying SOB it can beat nightmare, I know two people who fell in thier gun and have nerves issues now because it messed up Thier spines. If you get someone in to of you in a fight, and your absolutely will be in the ground in a fight, then your can't get the gun out. Please please please think ever doing SOB carry. There's a million reasons it's not good and no reason it is good. Three last thing you wanna be doing in a first fight is literally putting a hand behind your back. I've got 5 combat deployments, 12 years as a LEO with a few use of force by firearm and I've been an instructor for 18 years.
Sorry about all the spring craziness, auto correct lol
i appreciate your insight!
You should take ECQC with Craig Douglas or Fighting Pistol with Tactical Response. SOB carry will leave you paralyzed if you go to the ground. For the exact reason you say it's a good option. If a criminal is close enough to touch you and you haven't obtained a master grip on the gun yet, odds are you're going to end up on the floor.
I have taken fighting pistol with Yeager at tactical response. Learned a shitload. Still do. Not really sure how SOB it will leave you paralyzed if you go to the ground, as if there is a good way to roll around with a gun in a fight. But just as I said in the vid , I'm not claiming to be the end all expert. This shit is constantly evolving. I do appreciate the feedback and for watching!!
@@BullShooterswithJeffJohnston SOB puts a hard object near your spine. If you land on the gun you can be paralyzed.
This is why you carry a straight blade on your weak side....
If the attacker is within arm's reach and you go for the gun, all hands are going to the gun because everyone knows if it comes out everything changes. Don't even try to pull the gun... hold it in the holster with your strong hand, pull the blade with your weak hand and give the attacker a tune up until he lets go of ya.
@@BullShooterswithJeffJohnston no shortage of cops with back injuries from landing on their cuff pouch placed SOB...
@halfcrazy520 I'm sorry are you assuming a gun grab or is that your response to op scenario if you end up grappling
Edd Point
Small Of the Back Carry is awful because: 1)Slower than hip/AIWB 2)Gun is easily spotted from behind 3)serious back injury if you fall on your back 4)dangerous to reholster 5)if an enterprising bad guy notices your shirt riding up and makes a grab for your gun you're kinda fucked
"1)Slower than hip/AIWB"
Probably...
"2)Gun is easily spotted from behind"
Not necessarily. If you're wearing a hoodie or a vest it won't print and he demonstrated how little it printed in a t-shirt.
"3)serious back injury if you fall on your back"
Small odds of that and less if you wear the gun off center. Less chance of shooting yourself in the groin though, which will likely kill you.
"4)dangerous to reholster"
And appendix carry isn't? Come on, man...
"5)if an enterprising bad guy notices your shirt riding up and makes a grab for your gun you're kinda fucked"
No worse than 3 or 4 o'clock carry.
@@HalfCrazy520 2)Every case where a concealed carrier got their gun snatched that I know of has been from that position. 3)plenty of cops with back injuries from their handcuff pouch would beg to differ...
4)you can at least look the gun into the holster with AIWB
5)except your bending your arm even worse...
@@tacticoolmemes6895 I usually carry at 3:00... However, I did just get my Craft SOB holster (diagonal palm-in draw). Both my CZ 97 and P-01 fit in it nicely
Awareness is super important to staying alive, if you're in restaurants and your back is facing the door you're already dead anyway
@@shinji1264 I choose where I sit based on where my gun is... If the gun in 3 or 4 o'clock I sit in a booth left side out. I like back to the wall or a view of the door.
But additionally, my wife will be situationally aware and carries too.
Not a well done video.