STIHL MS170 VS ECHO CS310 Chainsaws ...We have a clear 🏆 WINNER
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
- This is a comparison video that is purely subjective. I have drawn my opinion based on some facts as well some opinions. I owned both of these saws for a considerable amount of time. They are both good saws so it comes down to a matter of preference.
I've got both a 20 yr old echo 310 & a 10 yr old MS170. I bought the Stihl because everyone was telling me how Great they are. Both start great, but once a Stihl gets hot don't fight it just retire it for a few hours. The Echo on the other hand it starts every time. All Day long. 2nd. Stihl dulls chains quickly, you best sharpen it every tank of gas. Echo you can get a full day of cutting. I use them to cut firewood so I'm dropping large trees with 20in plus trunks, not just trimming branches around the house. After 10 yrs I'm selling the Stihl. Started cutting on a large trunk it lasted about 20 min before it got hot and started bogging down. Fired up the echo finished slicing that trunk & did 2 more. 30 min later the Stihl still would not start. Echo all the way from here on.
I'm selling the Echo, jumps chains constantly on horizontal trimming. Running hot is not normal so you may have an issue with the carburetor or a engine air leak
I'll send you my Echo
i bought the ECHO CS310 at my local home depot.. my 1st gas chainsaw amazing from day one... no complaints 4 years in still fires up like new and no problems
Thanks for sharing
One huge advantage of the Echo is the purge bulb. It get's fuel thru the carb and makes a cold saw much easier to start. For some reason Stihl doesn't use purge bulbs and if you store your saw dry, restarting can take lots of pulls before you get a pop.
Of the echo equipment I have owned the most frustrating is having a primer bulb split open. So you can see why although I respect your opinion, I don't necessarily agree with you. I do appreciate your time and interest and for sharing your thoughts.
@@dictator2424 Thanks, I try that next time on my Stihls.
I agree 100% but if you look at the newest Saws on the market most of the big names are adding purge bulbs now.
Your heart will sink when you are in the bush and the purge bulb splits open
@@JimsNBHomestead they will run without it
I have a Echo CS- 310 ES, a Stihl MS 180 ,a Ms 311 i have had for 12 years & love my Stihls & a few Huskys .
I appreciate your opinion .
But would choose my Echo CS310 over the Stihl MS 180 every day of the week.
Cheers 👍
OK but why?
Because tuned properly I myself find it a better saw ,built in Japan not China a very simple yet problem free on off toggle switch . Side chain adjuster standard .
Also cheaper .
Only thing I agree on is a prick of a air filter .
@@gregbrassington2120 no está construido en Japón, está en PCR que puede ser de varias partes como Taiwán y partes cercanas a China !!
@@gregbrassington2120 pero yo también amo a echo por delante de sthil!!
@@davidmelli84 and better warranty than Stihl.👍
Depends on what you need it for. I purchased a cs310 for clearing of storm damage and tree trimming in my oun yard. I considered the 170 also but chose the cs310 because I wanted the 14-inch bar plus the echo came with a 5 year warranty, and the stihl did not.
I hate companies marketing their gear with warranty as the snag. Either you have a quality product or you don't. I have both saws and run them together so I can give a review with a little bit better than speculation. Brad look for an up and coming side by side video
@Jim's NB Homestead
I also based my purchase on previous experience of Echo products. Namely an weed eater that lasted better than 20 years of abuse. I have had good luck out of Echo products in the past. The longer warranty was an added bonus. I am not saying that Stihl does not have a good pruduct,I know they do. It's just hard for me to move away from Echo when I have gotten good service from them.
My Echo strings are 10 years old, both had carb failures and a few primer bulbs LOL. But the still run
27+ years in tree work have used about every saw out there the stihls under 025 just junk imo , small huskys are just rebadged poulans , shindaiwa 360 always a go to climb saw light and powerful , echo great saws run forever any echo i have ever ran just loved it just my 2 cents worth
accept the 310 i own tosses the chain and that ruins them. It only happens when cutting brush. It is very aggravating. I do the same work with my Stihl and no issues.
I recently purchased the Echo 310 over the MS 170-180 for several reasons. (1) if you need to remove the carb on the stihl you have to remove snap in control lever in front of the carb. This thing is mounted on an incredibly long thing and fragile plastic arm. If you break it your saw is toast. (2) reported hard starting with the Stihl. (3) reported fragility of the " easy" pull start system. I have not even used the Echo yet, but one thing I noticed that I don't like is the weird assed screws that it is put together with. Looks like it will be as big a pain in the ass to work on tool wise as my Harley..... What I loved about Yamaha outboards, a 10mm does everything.
The 170 doesn’t have easy start and I have had no issues starting the Stihl
Echo parts are made in Japan! So are Hondas.
I think of my echo like a honda,milder state of tune,maybe a bit slower but as reliable as a hammer .The stihl is like a ktm
Sorry Honda switched to outsourcing their small engines from Thailand
@@JimsNBHomestead The difference is noticeable in the casting quality when working on a new Honda verses one from the 1980s.Its the same with almost everything, really. Lawn mowers,cars,firearms,tools,boots,appliances, etc.Eveything is non serviceable junk
Never owned a CS310 but I have a MS 170, 171 180 and 181. Like all four of them. They are light, crank easy, stay running an will cut anything you can wrap the bar around. I updated the tensioner to a side adjust and put steel bucking spikes on it. I do run Echo Power Blend Gold in all my saws with PNE gas at 50:1 and Echo Premium Bar Oil because it is an all season oil and costs less than Stihl bar oil.
I added the steels spikes to the MS170, I find myself not using it as much as the bigger 2 saws we have. I run all AMSOIL products in my engine and I do you various bar oils
@@JimsNBHomestead Echo Premium bar oil is the best all season bar oil I can find. I get it at Home Depot for$12 a gallon, minus my 10% discount.
Our Home Depot is 3 hours away
The air filter on the stihl is a joke. Everything I own is stihl, so there is no bias.
you'd have to explain that statement to me. Yes the echo filter has more surface area but that does mean the Stihl filter is a joke. The sole purpose of the air filter is to protect the engine from dirt degrading the moving parts. You're statement is subjective and not objective. Has you Stihl saw suffered from poor air filter performance?
@JimsNBHomestead Well I am a Stihl tech, and I see them all the time with dirt and dust in the intake plenum. The air filter does not seal well at all.
@@stevebeard7667 thanks for the heads-up
@@JimsNBHomesteadstop defending stihl. Loser
Had an Echo 310 4 years now - it gets absolute hell daily - I have no idea how it sticks the amount of work it is asked to do. Never given me an issue & you get the hang of the air filter - you cheat & lever it forward. Regarding power, for the 14" bar, it has heaps. Loads. Plenty. I would give it a straight 9 out of 10 & dick off the 1 point for the bucking teeth not existing - which I agree, is a flaw. However, it's a 14" saw that does the work of an 18" one.. so I can live with the lack of teeth.
Have to tried the MS170? I appreciate your comments and happy you shared your experiences but this is a comparison video as I own and operate both saws
@@JimsNBHomestead I used Stihls for years before - too finiky, too hard to restart, too easy to break - That's my 2c on them. My new ideal would be an Echo CS 2511 WES - which are spendy enough, but are an amazing little saw, capable of a lot of hard work - 1.5hp out a saw weighing less than 3kg - light is fast. :-)
Well pro saws are not close to consumer saws
I agree with the primer bulbs. Hate them but I have discovered, that echo red armor oil and non ethanol fuel cures that brittle primer bulb issue and the brittle fuel line issues. I also think cheap saws like that aren't really worth the money unless you're only using them for storm clean and occasional trimming. I've ran almost all brands as I repair them on the side. I will say I would rather run a 50cc with a light bar any day over a cheap trim saw. I like the speed, power, and chain options of the 50cc and up saws. I do have a small top handle that is almost 30 years old and it's an echo. Air filtration access sucks but it never fails and always starts. Probably my favorite saw for trimming. I also picked the cs590 and I'd put that against a 361 all day. That one has been the best saw I've ever owned hands down. I still love my old husky 55 too. But most of my stihls I've sold because the parts are so damned overpriced and I was constantly working on them. Just mt experience. No bashing on anyone's favorite brands.
Awesome comments thank for sharing, i agree
@@JimsNBHomestead thank you I appreciate that. And you're welcome.
@JimsNBHomestead so you are agreeing on one comment with echo, then bashing echo when someone calls you out on using only the echo. You are a dumbass for sure
I run stihl cause my dealer and parts are 6 miles away, echo dealer is 30 miles away ... if echo dealer was closer id use echo, John Deere used to have echo parts but no more in mt area anyway.
I'm still a Stihl Purchaser. LOL
In addition, 170 needs a good sealing element filter.
I will look at it and determine if anything is getting by
I have both of those chainsaws! They are both my little go to size. When I'm in the woodyard I bring them both!
Excellent and thanks for your input
Notice the echo is the one he has been using.
Never used the 310 but the 170 won't take heavy work, should have got the 3510.😢😢
Well you're sorta right. When the Echo failed after every chance I gave it I immediately switched to the Stihl MS170. You clearly didn't pay attention to what I was saying
Just bought a stihl ms171 it's great I noticed it has high an low carb adjustment and the chain tension is already on the side an I think its 31cc instead of 30 lol any how I'm ordering thebucking spikes an should be a great saw for me I'm 21 an it's my first good saw
That saw will serve you well if take care of it!!
I had Stihl's and I own Echo's. I'll never own that Stihl crap again.
Well I'm sure Stihl won't miss you
Both good lemming saws! Great for cleaning woodland trails.
I have the little 170, its an older model with the lever on the air filter cover like the bigger stihl saws .. I wore out the 16" bar and chain and replaced them with a 14" .050 and chain...bigger cutting teeth so now the saw cuts faster and more aggressive, I use it mainly for keeping trees trimmed up and downed limbs after a storm...looking at a bigger saw for bigger work Im leaning between stihl and echo, I have a echo trimmer and backpack blower and they run great...never an issue with them either
does it drag the rpm down?
@@JimsNBHomestead nope, also the wood chips are slightly bigger and the chain is easier to sharpen
I'm debating on switching to the bigger chain, was the clutch sprocket the same
@@JimsNBHomestead yes chain fit the sprocket, they are color coded … green is the color you want if your currently have the stock 16 bar that comes with the saw
@@dictator2424 I am amazed at what this little saw will do, for limbing and trimming I def prefer the shorter bar...though I did recently cut down a 40ft tree with this saw 😃 .050 chain is easier to sharpen
the ms170 top cover was not on properly . I dislike how the air filter works on the stihl, well most of the time it dont work
Why was the cover not.on properly? What issue did you have?
Jim,what type of wood are you bucking down in New Brunswick and what diameter?
I like the raised spigot on the echo saw gas cap.I keeps chips and dust out of the tank.
Yeah crap in the oil tank and fuel tank will be an issue I suppose at some point. As far as wood species I'm not that well versed and I can say it's all hardwoods and diameters vary greatly
@@JimsNBHomestead You made a good decision to leave Ontario. Looks like you guys are living the dream
I quit Stihl chainsaws after I bought a few echo saws 590 490 3510 and 400 and honest I love them all but for a small saw that 3510 is my bitch!! I take that saw everywhere..not the 310..3510. I have never felt such an attachment to a chainsaw before..lol I'm kind of serious though I can't even express how much I love that saw.
I'm glad you have such a fond liking to your equipment
Did you carb mod and or muffler mod your 3510??
Terrible idea, what you gain will quickly be lost on the other end
Ha, i knew you had no idea what u were talking about @@JimsNBHomestead
I do like echo for some things, but when it comes to saws, you can’t beat a Stihl. Also, Stihl makes their own bar and chain, which I’m pretty sure can’t be said about other brands, including Echo. I believe Oregon makes their bar and chain.
Pretty fair conclusions I"d say
You can always beat a Stihl with a Husqvarna. And Echo ain't far behind
Not so sure about that my local Huskie dealer is telling me parts availability is terrible
@@JimsNBHomestead I don't think that makes it inferior . To each their own
I've just had a better experience with Husky and Echo than I have Stihl
I had a 170 for years. There a great saw but there a shil so don't count on it starting when you need it. I'll take a saw with a purge bulb any day. Also if what your referring to as a micro saw is a 043 gauge the sprocket will go on it one of these days. And the echo is made from mainly Japanese parts.
OK
It's a micro chain. I love my little ms 170. It's my workhorse. The chain tensioner isn't a big deal. My ms 462 has one on the side. It really makes no difference. I got mine for $170.
I haven't done anything with mine, just maintenance. Love it all day
I may have confused the price with the model number.
maybe
@@JimsNBHomestead I got the side tensioner and it does make a difference. It doesn't get gunk in the side. Then I broke it. I put a debarker attachment on it and you have to remove the bar screw. I forgot it was screwed in and busted it. And the debarker tool is not as effective as I hoped.
I'm saving for the 201 t-c 800 bucks, yikes.
Hope it works out well for you
There is a adjustment for the chaintension.
I have that on my 170, very cheap, but very usefull.
I'm not sure what you mean
It is a little thing, so you can regulate the tension of the chain sideways.
Greetings Jim! I like your videos, and decided to Subscribe, in hopes it will help you get some better equipment, free up both hands? 🙂
I can understand your frustration on the filter, but I think Stihl dropped the ball on that crappy felt filter. I just purchased a MS180, simply because it is so darned light, and that’s what I wanted. Echo and Husky comparable models are heavier. I bought it from a Dealer I Know and trust, and purchased the oil to get the extended warranty. I figured it works out to about $10.00/ month, if she lasts the two years?! And it was a cheap way to try out and see what Stihl saws are about, as it is my first Stihl.
I have my other bigger saws for heavy duty cutting, but after having around 130 trees go down last year, in a bad Ice storm, I needed something to cut out all the small branches, and briars, and do light limbing duties. I have to cut on a slope, and everything is crossed up and tensioned. I’ve only run a few tanks, but I think I will like it. It is a cheaper saw, built to a price point, and that is what people seem to not get?
I’ve had easier saws to start, and harder saws to start, than the Stihl. I think a lot of people are either not properly starting them, or are misinformed, whatever? She will usually fire up within total of 5 -6 pulls. It will fire up with one pull, when it’s warm, or has heat soaked for a short while. I am not happy about the lack of adjustments to the carb, and the crappy little filter that just ‘lies’ on top of the air opening to the carb. Time will tell. It was ‘assembled in USA, with foreign and domestic parts, at their VA Beach facility.
I spoke with a Tech, that toured the facility, and Stihl makes all the parts there, including the plastics, and
such. He could not verify the source of the carbs, and that is where the ‘China’ parts play into it all. It is my understanding a lot of the carbs are sourced from China?
The one thing about Stihl is the fact they make their own bars and chains, and that is important. If you get a good dealer, that is another point, and what someone should think about if choosing Stihl. I am a BIG fan of Husqvarna, and most all the saws made by Stihl, Echo, and Husky, are fine. They all will have the occasional lemon.
Please wear more PPE when cutting, and stay safe and healthy! 👍👍👍✌😊
Amazing response George.
>Filter. Yes it is flat but it is capture after the cover is on. The replacements are pretty inexpensive and other than slapping them on something they appear not to be cleanable. Filtration is sticky subject and I've dealt with all kinds of issues in my real career. I'm ok with it but oiled sponge is on my favourite.
Thanks for the reminder on the PPE and you are correct I have it and don't use it enough. It's great when my TH-cam friends offer this sort of comment.
Thanks for subscribing and please keep watching.
Cheers
My 310 hasn't given me any trouble ever! The air filter design is terrible, but manageable!..from Wyoming USA 🇺🇸 👋🤠
I'll sell you mine
@@JimsNBHomestead how much?
Shipping?@@billallen4793
you want it shipped?
@JimsNBHomestead I'd love to have it shipped to my door! Traveling to your area isn't feasible, as we live on disability insurance. I became disabled in a workplace injury back in 2003. I'm seriously interested in your little Echo. Let me know what I can do to make it mine!...from Wyoming USA 🇺🇸 👋🤠
Scored my echo cs310 for $50 bucks
Awesome deal. be careful brush cutting with it, they can snag the chain. Keep ethanol blended fuel out of it and it will do fine.
Anything go wrong with an MS170 is user error.
Mine has had the ring caned out of it (literally) for 10 years on Australian hardwoods
(Which is all we have.) 3 bars and dozens of .050 chains, but it still starts first pull,
And theyre only $250 brand new.
Can't argue with that logic
you can buy conversion piece for chain tensioner (ms170) they are cheap.
run a fleet of 170& 171 hard, daily great little saws, looking to try out echo see if it can keep up.
Done with the echo, it's going to get sold
@@JimsNBHomestead
I'm looking for a ECHO
@@JimsNBHomestead
how much?
you want it? email me jimott@rocketmail.com
I read the text on the label in the front of your Stihl. It says "MADE BY STIHL IN CHINA". Just saying...
Yup just saying
Right, cheap China junk
Echo sempre al top
Good for you
Your only negative was a primer bulb? Lol, Keep that Chinese saw
Actually the air filter sucks, it has more vibration and it tosses chains quite easily.
@@JimsNBHomestead Air filter is fine, if a 30cc chainsaw vibrates too much you should put your purse down, My chain never comes off, and as we can see your chain is loose,
I'm happy for you, can we get some content about you and your manliness soon? It's 2023 and we are short on manly men
my 170 starts when it wants. When i get my bulldoozer running i'll make a video of me smashing it. You ain't even wore the paint off the bar. Kinda a milque toast test. I believe if you used the 170 for a while you wouldn't give it a 9 out of 10 rating. Thank for the video and sorry for taking my dislike of this saw out on your video.
3 years now and it still runs awesome and does EXACTLY what is supposed to. Maybe you are doing something wrong?
Guy can’t even spell bulldozer………. Wouldn’t go with his review. 😂
This was quite the biased review
I appreciate your thoughts but feel free to explain? I own both saws and used both, the Echo was problematic tossing chains when used horizontally for brush cutting
@@JimsNBHomestead
Friend you complained about the primer bulb that hasn’t broken on you and the air filter replacement that you didn’t like? Most of my Stihl products have primer bulbs on them and the Stihl air filter is worthless. I mean the review is biased to anyone that watches it. It’s more like an opinion review. Both are good products but to say the Stihl is a 9/10 and the Echo is a 6.5/10 is just biased
opinions are not biased if you own both
Someone needs vagisil
Pretty much biased towards stihl so the comparison was kinda useless
No actually it was based on my experience with both brands as I own 1 of each. The bias comes from experiencing how the echo isn't as good as the Stihl. From this junction forward we went all Stihl with next 4 saws
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Stihl fanboy I see. It is your opinion only
Bahahahahaaaaa. You know I was a total echo guy until I bought myself the MS170...proof is in the pudding bud
@@JimsNBHomestead
I don’t believe that got a second. You’re a Stihl fanboy. There’s no hiding it
Front adjustment chain tension makes Stihl a distant second place.
You got to be kidding the front screw works. The Echo tosses chains all the time. Give me your address I can figure out the shipping cost to send you the 310
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I have a addiction to stihl products now I first got a ms170 then bought an ms311 then got an sr200 looking to get that 200t and a pole saw next🫡
I like them and share your addiction