I have the 620p echo with a 24" bar and skip chain......I absolutely love this saw! I have a small firewood business, and this is my saw for cutting up trunks into big rounds to be split. It rarely boggs down even on even the toughest oaks. Though it is a little hefty with that big bar, once I law it down to cut the saw pretty much does all the work. It fire's right up no matter if it's 95° or 25° outside. I have nothing but respect for stihl saws, but on my budget I went with echo for all three of my saws (310, 4910, 620). I use them daily with no issues or regrets.
Agreed. I to have to 310, 620p and 590. I want another 310 to save. I just muffler modded and tuned and it don't skip a beat. It beat my friends stock cs400 until I told him about my mods. An ease through iron wood.
I wanted a Stihl for Christmas.....my old lady got me an Echo......I hadn't researched them ..... It's just there is a Stihl plant in McKinney Texas right by where I used to work. After watching many reviews.....I think my old lady outsmarted me once again . Thanx for your review!
She did good the 620 is the best 60cc on the market imo. Will last a lifetime without regular visits to the dealer and if it ever needs rebuilt parts are way cheaper and readily available online.
After multiple plastic parts on my Stihl's breaking (gas caps, run switches etc) I bought a Echo CS590 and haven't looked back. While I kind of wish I'd gone for the 620, with a muffler mod and some other minor upgrades I'm very happy. Best saws for the money in my book.
Saw arrived yesterday th-cam.com/users/postUgkxfQm1wmg0ItKDLavxj1nXtQY9HP7EF504 and today I cut about 3/4 cord of wood with it. Make sure you get an extension chord that is at least 12 gauge wire, minimum. This is my first electric in about 10 years, and things sure have improved. The self-sharpener works great, and it just kept cutting through some pretty decent logs. Wear your eye protection, and ear protection. Excellent saw.
Have been using a echo 690P with 27 inch bar for 3 years, no problems and cuts like a beast, echo is my go to saw, a friend uses stihl and used mine, he was impressed how nice it cut
I've been a Stihl guy my whole life and I collect vintage chainsaws. I have several vintage Echo saws and love em'! They start first pull every time. If I had to buy something new today, I would seriously consider Echo. They're no joke!!
I bought a 620P back in May after initially looking to purchase a comparable Stihl of Husqvarna. The plethora of negative reviews on Stihl and Husqvarna's pro saws was very troubling to me. Most were related to these new electronic carburetors and poor customer service after the sale. That's when I learned about rave reviews of the Echo CS-590 Timber Wolf. I did some research and decided I wanted the 620P. A pro caliber chainsaw with a conventional carburetor, no negative reviews, a 5 year warranty and $200 or more cheaper than the other two brands. I ordered my 620P with a 24" bar and chain. I have been nothing short of impressed! The 620P has the torque you want in a work saw. I have fully buried the bar bucking and it will spit chips like a beast with no bogging. The 620P is a rock solid saw and easy to work on and tune. I recently tached it being broke in and it turned out to be set perfectly by Echo. The 620P can easily run a 27" bar as it has power to spare with the 24" bar. I do feel it is best balanced though with the 24". With a muffler mod and carb tune the 620P with a 27" bar will even out cut some 70cc saws running 24" bars. I watched a guy do it on TH-cam in a head to head comparison. My only complaint with the 620P is its on the heavy side for extensive limbing. But to be fair the 620P isn't designed to be a limbing saw, it's a felling and bucking saw as well as an ideal saw for large diameter firewood. The 501P (as good as or better than the MS 261) which I also bought is perfect for limbing and in most cases what I would consider the ideal all-around general purpose firewood saw. Most people could get by with just the 501P and if you only want one chainsaw, this is the one I highly recommend. If you want or need a two saw arsenal, which I think is best, (because no matter how proficient you are with a chainsaw, it sure is nice to have a backup not IF but WHEN you get the bar pinched) then I'd buy the 501P and the 620P or the 501P and the soon to be released 73cc? (I believe) pro saw Echo is about to unveil on the US market if one needs a saw bigger than the 620P.
@Danny Gonzalez 20" bar should balance fairly well. If anythjng it might be a little heavy in the rear. It rips with a 24" bar. An 18" would scream so that should give you an idea of what a 20" would do. The 620P will run a 27/28" bar no problem.
I've owned several old (1978-1993) Stihl saws and they do run an cut nicely. However, working at an Echo dealer for 10 years now, the new Echo saws are beasts. The 680 you tested has been refined now, and we now offer the 80.7cc CS-800 which is a high-rpm monster of a saw.
@@eurokid83 I think the cs800 isnt available anymore,atleast not here in the United states. The cs7310 replaced it as their big saw,unless someone knows different.
I started as a Husky guy, then went to Stihl for a couple years until a buddy had an older Echo. Now I collect the 500evl and bigger saws. 14 so far, even have a couple of the twin cyl saws. Hoping to pick up a 900evl next weekend to handle my big saw needs. Not like my 750 and 800 evl's have ever had an issue. Great review.
Love my CS600P. Great and reliable saw. Just bought the CS 2512 to complement it. Great combination. Also have the Echo pole saw. Okay all my power tools are Echo. Blower, string trimmer, hedger, etc. 😜
I too have all Echo products.. I've never had a bad experience with any of my Echo's. I've always wanted to own a Stihl chainsaw but it's hard to purchase one when you have the best feeling, best balanced chainsaw on the market, and best warranty in the business.
Both good saws, but bought an Echo 590 TimberWolf 3 years ago, and ended up selling my Stihl 036. Echo simply smokes Stihl in cutting speed and torque. The price at $399-429 makes it a no brainer.
@@landbaron4086 yes they’re definitely both good saws, maybe your 036 was a little tired? I like my 600P it’s a good runner. Value for money Echo is the clear winner.
There is something wrong with the Stihl your using. Find me 3 guys that truly cut wood. I guarantee they will tell you the Stihl is faster. Echo is a great product. Just needs a little boot in the ass.
@@benredmond8271 Nothing wrong with you believing what you think. I simply choose to believe what I know. 036 was in great shape, and again, and good saw.
I inherited my grandfather's echo Cs600p. He ran that thing with a 27" chain and beat the orange out of it. Before he lost his ability to cut wood when his health decline rapidly he had a salesman talk him into a Stihl MS 362 and it is also a great saw but It seemed to lose power after a hard day of abuse. Since his passing my uncle has had it get worked on seems like every time he needs to use it.
I had a friend offer me a basically brand new 362cm for a steal. I said "no thanks". I've often questioned that as the Stihl was noticeably lighter. That was 8yrs ago... Got very sick w/covid and haven't used my Echo in 3+ yrs. Last week went out to the cold barn where it stays, but a bit of fresh fuel on top of the old and it fired like I ran it Yesterday. Unbeatable reliability and great power. Starts perfect in -10° to 100°f, every time. I run 32" bar on mine sometimes 😉
Echo saws are great!! I have 4 now!! A CS-352-ES with a 14" bar. AMAZing light saw.. A CS-2511-TES the 25cc top handle saw. This saw is just brilliant!! The Echo PPT-2620HES pole saw, these are great too, and finally, just yesterday i bought a CS-7310SX with a 28" bar. Hve not cut wood with it yet, but it starts easily and runs great!!
I currently have a echo 590 and a 400 love both they are very dependable and really get after it . I have also owned a 042 stihl I bought new a outstanding cutting saw the price difference in echo and stihl leaned me towards echo $450 for the 590 echo vs over a $1000 for a 044 stihl which replaced the 042.
Just curious when you say the stihl saw seemed more "plasticky" with less metal components than the echo what specific parts/pieces are you referring too? I don't own an echo but have picked up many. I do own a stihl ms 261ccm though and considered the 361/362 but opted for 261. Both 2 and 3 series saws are really clos in build quality and features. That being said my flywheel cover/rear handle/top cover are polymer or plastic. As well as the handle bar. Everthing else is magnesium..I would say 70-80% of the saw body is magnesium or metal. I've heard this argument before from Husky and Echo peeps and from my experience the only difference is the handlebar. Husky and many Echo are aluminum or steel. I owned a 545 mk II and thought it was a great little saw but my 241 was the one I picked up 90% of the time. Really only grabed the 545 when I ran outta gas and ended up giving to my brother for his b-day. Anyway if Echo's have changed and are now made of 100% magnesium or metal plesse forgive me. Or if there are some components that I'm missing please elaborate. Other than that I feel you entire video was based on promoting echo saw. Not really a fair assessment of the two.
Im a huge Echo fan, my two climbing saw are a 303t and a 355t and both have never let me down, zero problems in 2-3 years now. I just ordered a cs501p to use along with a older (with a whopping 10 hours if that on it) Husquvarna 350. I dont take trees down any more and sold my Husq. 395xp (that was a beast of a saw) but its the perfect saw for me to cut up smaller rounds. Around here Husquvarna is having issues with delivery on everything, my dealer put in an order last November and still no delivery date.
@@bedellpropertymanagement Yeah scratched the 501 and got a CS620P, the 24" bar is a back saver and got more saw and features for about 50 bucks difference.
I have several Echos and use Echo as my main climbing saw. Also have Stihl for ground work. Love them all. Would not turn any of them away. Echo has a cost advantage. My next saw will be the 620P with a 27" bar.
I put a CS450 through hell anytime I got to cut wood and sometimes I feel bad for the saw cuz I've got multiple chains and I'll just keep on going all day.. I cut mesquite and oak and the saw gets it done I put a 20-in bar on it as soon as I bought it I might want to go to a 18 and see how the power is on them larger trees I'm getting to. I'm definitely an echo fan.
Been using Srihl and Echo for about five years now, they are both good saws . I cut firewood and they haven’t let me down, good saws. I bought my son an Echo and never looked back. Stihl is getting to expensive for me.
Echo cs 4510! Great saw it continues to break in 3 years old now . Stock saw still workin great 👍.Make a video comparing the Stihl MS 251 vs Echo CS 4510. Great video. Both pro saws equal in cc. Now the farm saw 45 cc class. If it's possible.?
My first saw was/is cs352, love that monkey, awesome for brush work and under 20 inch trees. Second saw was Stihl ms880, I milled a 4 year drop Doug fir, 52 inch wide at center, hardest Doug fir I ever cut. Third saw is cs590, much heavier than C's 352(duh) but sets the field on fire. I even milled redwood with that. Fourth saw was a Stihl knockoff 90CC Ojenas, (copy of Ms 070), milled with it until the cheap throttle body gave way, intend to repair it with original Stihl parts, fifth saw was a PTDO(husky knockoff) worked like a cs590 until it too had throttle body failure, was able to get the wire hook back on, milled some redwood, it slipped out again. Not bad though for 105 dollars. Sixth saw was. MS190D, great for dumpster compacting if you don't hit metal. Both stihls burnt in house fire, but I have absolutely no complaints about the Echo. Next saw will be Echo too. There are a few videos on my channel.
I work on saws full time I love Stihl & Husqvarna but I been having alot of them coming in for repairs havent seen many echos come back the 620 p is a good saw it be my choice over the Ms 362 and 562
Can you elaborate on what parts are metal on the Echo and plastic on the Stihl? I personally haven't worked on that model Echo but noticed the exact opposite on other comparable models.
When you say "bumper spikes"....do you mean dogs? There is no way your running a 362/361 that doesn't come equipped with metal spikes....unless your running a homeowner/farm ranch saw. But as far as I know even those saws in 50 plus cc class spikes are metal...you running a ms 170?
As long as you stick with Stihl, Husqvarna, and Echo, you cant loose. They all make great saws and each brand has a model or two thats awesome. I have found that Husqvarna saws are alot easier on the hands with their vibration control. Stihl is made to last and echo is as well, as long as you dont get one with the primer bulbs that rot out and crack open.
I don't own an Echo saw (that's why I watched the video), but I have owned and operated an Echo leaf blower and an Echo weed trimmer for over 5 years now. They are great! No problems with either...only use non ethanol gas with Seafoam additive...you'll be happy. Sorry to get sidetracked from the chainsaw.
ECHO battery operated appliances are complete junk - at least the battery packs are. I've owned this saw for just over a year and I've already had 3 battery packs die on me. Wouldn't be a huge deal if the battery packs were inexpensive, but they cost over $200 and they are virtually guranteed to appear as "Defective" on their charger in a matter of a month or two...just long enough for the warranty to expire.
I agree with Bobby villa's reply as I own a echo 620p and it's a beast all day with no issues. The 590 timberwolf has the same engine but .5 hp less power for $150.to $200. Less.
the piston is a 1 ring design on the 590 vs 2 ring on the 620 the cylinders are different the carb is bigger on the 620 the 620 has an unlimited ignition coil , the coil is a limited type on the 590 the 620 has an aluminum handle vs plastic on 590 and the chip cover is metal also muffler is different lastly the 620 has a clutch with replacable sprocket pro style rim sprocket type. spend the extra cash on the 620 its a true pro level saw.
I have 2 echo saws 300 and 600p ive had the 300 for 20 years never did anything at all to it it still runs perfect. the 600p is an absolute beast never bogs down just digsgoing on year 7 with it. Why pay twice as much for an equal saw?
@@94SexyStang valid point! In reality, much of the equipment in our industry pays for itself quickly - making the price not that big of a deal. A few hundred dollars more (or less) on a piece of handheld equipment is penny's over the lifetime of the equipment. It's all about whatever equipment the end user prefers.... and dealer support!
I have other echo equipment, looking at chainsaws. Was looking at reviews on stihls and really negative surprise. Alot of people had buyers remorse, expecting the tip of the pyramid product, but many of them returned it. Echo seems like the opposite. I think I'm gonna pick up the 40cc 18" model. Plus made in America.
Stihl has the best pro level saws, and I dont think people know what models are pro. Too many people thinking they can get pro level performance on a $200 backyard twig thrasher. A 261 is a great stihl and I think the pro models start there
I love Echo. I have the 2511T and the 501P. Both great saws. Echo is really coming on strong in the commercial department. They currently have the most powerful backpack blower in the world. Price is right too. Best trimmers too. It won't be long before they have the best reputation in the business.
i don't think so. the chain was what the equipment dealer (weingartz) installed when setting up the saw. no hardwoods on this particular job site - sorry!
Echo for the win I have 2 echo saws and a weed wacker will be buying more echo products when my leaf blower and other things kick the bucket definitely beet bang for the buck have no regrets with the products they offer. I actually like the Stihl chains better and Stihl sharpening file guide as well but the saw and power units made by echo are awesome
I’m not a fan of the 362 but it does have one notable feature that the Echo does not: captive bar nuts. That said the 620 is a better value and has more usable power IMHO. The 620 is the best choice all around in the 60 cc class. The only cons are the air filter and no captive bar nuts. It doesn’t have the rpm or throttle response of a 562 but has more torque in the bigger wood.
@@kasjun1 I’m glad that I was wrong about that. I should have known since my 501 has them. I would use a foam pre filter on the Echo 50-60cc saws. I got mine from the chainsawguy at the Myrtle Creek saw shop.
I’m not saying Stihl is bad. I’m saying they rest on their laurels more now than they used to. Every professional government funded forestry service basically uses Stihl and so they can start cutting corners on making plastic parts and making things cheaper as long as ppl associate the name with professional use. Stihl, husky, echo all great saws very little problems with any of them, just go with a good dealer that’s close to your home and you’ll be fine. I’m lucky enough to have all 3 dealerships close to me and they’re all great to work with because they know if they aren’t then the other 2 will take all the business.
Difference in wood, tree in open less dense, thus Echo cut like butter, the Stihl was cutting in a place not cleared out where water saturates and holds water longer making that tree more dense. Echo are good but the test was flawed. He should've cut the same tree using both saws, the tree was certainly long enough.
Thanks for the feedback. Both trees fell in the same storm a year earlier. In my observation, the opposite was true - nothing is ever going to be a perfect comparative test.
I bought an Echo CS-400, I used to have a Stihl 028 Woodboss. The Stihl had a heavier duty bar and chain than the Echo, the Echo bar and chain is like a kiddie saw compared to the Stihl.
Maybe he had Stihl's home owner saws... unfortunately they do have to cut some corners in order to meet a price point that fits the need of a home owner who only needs a saw occasionally. But if one uses their home owner saws commercially, yeah, their not gonna hold up well.
@@nm6405 still bull. I had the pleasure of touring the Virginia Beach factory when worked at an ACE hardware. Sold a ton of STILL products. I personally own an 023 since 1994. Still running strong. Cut down STIHL all you want, best saw built.
@@richardfuerst5286 wasn't saying Stihl made bad saws, just home owner category saws of just about any manufacture are not gonna hold up to commercial use. Stihl's commercial saws are great.
I owned an echo 30 yrs ago an one of the best chainsaws I ever owned an used started easy an never any problems with it . My friend that I cut wood with bought one to . I'm going to buy one for my grandson hope they are as good as they were 30yrs ago
I'm leaning towards and echo, just managing the place and maybe helping neighbors some. Cutting out on the end of the bar like that is a bad habit to get into. It isn't just the wear on the bar in an area you can't file, they'll come back and bite you. I'd like to see an apples to apples video.
Too bad you didn't have large oak logs, or yellow birch. Ultimately some really hard wood. Like the echo though. But Stihls have earned there place, they are top notch.
In the last three years I have been through one 362 and one 562 XP. The Stihl was in and out of the shop since new. It would bog badly in the cut, was a bugger to start and whenever it decided it would flat out not run at all. Got it back from the shop, it’s seventh time, after a carb and coil/microprocessor replacement, which was out of warranty buy a few weeks. Keep in mind the shop has looked over this saw and just came off warranty. No happy at all with dealer. Always going to do all before the sale... Anyhow took it out in the woods, I always burn non-e gas and Schaeffer’s two-stroke oil. Got the saw into a 20” or so oak tree and about halfway through, she seized. Couldn’t believe it. It had run lean and burnt a hole in the piston crown. Stihl did nothing to assist. It’s in the barn in a box aging. The Husky story is similar, different shop. The 562 ran well for two years and then had starting having bogging issues off idle. Stumbled, erratic acceleration. You know, all the things a pocket screwdriver fixes in a few moments. Decided to get the 620PW. I can tell you it’s a great saw, starts easy, cuts great, decent on fuel. A five year warranty to boot. I sell firewood so my saw is used everyday. I have had the Echo just over a year it’s gas, oil, one pull and I’m cutting. Not to mention hundreds cheaper than the other two offerings. Two piston rings, a Japanese built two-stroke, it all makes for one reliable saw. Some say not professional-I beg to differ!
The horror stories I've read and heard concerning those electronic carburetors are what drove me away from buying a Stihl or Husqvarna pro saw and lead me to Echo. It's nearly impossible now to find a Stihl or Husqvarna pro saw with a conventional carburetor, as the vast majority of those models have been bought up. I looked for the MS 261 and MS 362, but the only ones available are the M-tronic versions now. I own the 501P and 620P. I couldn't be happier. They start reliably and easily, run smooth with great torque and power and are easy to keep maintained and serviced. Plain and simple... they are rock solid chainsaws built with the K.I.S.S. formula in mind. And they cost a great deal less with a far better warranty than the competition. The key is to find a good local Echo dealer. Dolmars (Makita) are more comparable to the Echo's build quality, but they too are just about as expensive as Stihl and Husqvarna, and parts/service dealers are far and few between in comparison to Echo.
I have the same opinion about my cs490 although it's not a 620 it has the same story. It's cheaper than the stihl and husky equivalent. I think echo saws are better saws for and I would never own a husky or a stihl again. Echo starts and runs good and they're a lot lighter.
These early renditions of electronically modulated carbs seem to have a lot of issues. Husky has seemed to have gotten it spot on with the 572xp but the 575/576xp and early 562xp were all pretty lousy reliability wise. My uncle has a non-mtronic 362, and it's a decent saw. Had a 361 prior, as did my brother. And to be completely honest, I prefer my echo cs590 over the stihls. Nothing really against those two stihls but just not real impressed. The echo definitely has more bottom end torque in bigger wood or buried. The stihls like to rev for sure, but don't quite have the snot down low when 'the going gets tough'.
there is a reason why only these three brands are ever compared to each other.For longevity the echo has my vote for sure.always runs i never worry that my saws (echo) will let me down while im finishing my coffee before the start of the day.I worry more about my back, lol.
Not to be that guy but those chaps aren't gonna save the back of your thighs when you drop start a saw with the bar break disengaged. I've had to adjust my carb in the colder months because the chain will start to spin at idle but I didn't find that out the second I started the saw because the bar break was on. Power saws are hungry animals and should be handled with respect. That being said, I have a CS490 and I love it. It's a serious saw and Echo offers the user way more bang for their buck (pun intended) than the other orange guys.
shindaiwa echo efco and dolmar my go to chainsaws 25 year arborist used about every saw there is stihls have tons of power and rev out nice but the others are lighter with at least the same pull in wood cuts execpt the dolmar which just puts the new stihls to shame
Nice video. I would have liked to have seen wich parts were metal on the Echo vs plastic on the Stihl. Just take a few minutes and show us the differences.
Have both an Echo and Stihl. This is not a good test. You need to compare with some oak, hickory or walnut. That's a real test. I can get a Poulan to do this good on pine.
There was more plastic features on the Echo saw? The cover on the chain side is the only piece of metal on the body, while practically the whole Stihl is metal. I had it for a less then two months and the spline by the front vibration dampener, that's part of the rear handle broke. I've worked with Husky's and Stihl's for over 20 years and I've never busted one so easy. Now I'm in the middle of taking the entire saw apart to replace the rear handle. The worst part is the adjustment screws on the carb are plastic. I was trying to adjust it last week and they were frozen, so it stripped right away. I got new screws on order, but wish they would just send me real metal ones. And this is supposed to be a professional series saw. On the plus side it is well balanced and has decent power. I got one of these instead of a Stihl or Husky and I totally regret it. If you're just using it to get firewood once in a while it will be fine, but I wouldn't recommend it for daily professional use.
I’m a huge echo fan, but I also got a lot of stihl equipment. The thing the new stihl just is not as good as they used to be. The 036 and 360 were excellent but the 361 and 362 have done down hill in quality.
@@russrtspooling7702 Yeah maybe really depends on how the work is done. Imo a port and polish job without adding a ton of squish wont hurt longevity. Different strokes for different folks I love showing up on jobs with my ported 355t with 16 inch bar. I get funny looks.
I've used Stihl all my life, the chain comes off way too much, it never comes off on the echo. I always used Stihl, whenever I first used an echo I'll never put my hands back on another stihl. The echo 590 sounds like a freaking dirt bike what kind of crack you smoking 🤣🤣
You cant go wrong with a stihl chainsaw, Yea you can compare it to others, and there might be some slight disadvantages in certain areas with a stihl, but that being said, no matter what its a stihl, you cant go wrong going with one
I think they both were good but no offense I think you choose echo because you support echo I mean your channel is called echo means business just saying
I tend to go with Stihl for we got 2 dealers and sale all the way to ms462. Orscheln is the only place to get echo here and dont have much options biggest is the 510
I have used the echo and the Stihl chainsaw for over 10 years vehicle it's a easy start in the first or second the Stihl saws State stakes a long time to start it takes like 8 to 12:00 starts to get it running we're talking about a new one or a 01 they ain't worth a f***and The echoes are easy to start and they're better sauce
I am watching this because I'm tired of my echo breaking and am searching for alternative comparrisons. My 2 year old echo CS-590 has failed 6 times in the 12 gallons of gas I've put through it. Every 2 gallons of gas something is going to break. I highly reccomend everyone find another brand and stay away from Japanese stuff.
Put the 690 against any of the stihl magnum series. A 441 will blow it out of the water. Your comparing stihls smallest commercial saw to echo second biggest...
With a new chain and a running engine both should obviously cut. The differences are in the little things. Sthil is the best saw on the market when it comes to maintaining and heavy professional use. This guy with his beer guy won’t be able to properly notice what professional tree cutters know. Eco is garbage and will not last a lifetime.
Judging by the name of your channel and sponsorships, totally and absolutely Bias. I’ve owned several really phenomenal saws. Echo. McCulloch. Stihl…. I’m sorry, dude, but for the ALL DAY AND ALL WEEK, I bring my Stihls. And Stihls only. Period. Don’t get me wrong, echo is phenomenal, Husqvarna is great. The chainsaw market. Is Stihl. Sorry. Pretty much a standard in my part of the forest.
WOW ....this was apples to apples comparison. should have cut long straight tree to double the length pieces then came back and cut with steel to single piece wood. with all crap i cut , this was very poor comoarison.
I bought an Echo CS590 chainsaw. I used it about 7 times over 15 months. The clutch burned. I took it in for repair and was told that I let it fast idle too long (apparently approximately 10 minutes is too long). It was not covered under Echo's 5 year warranty. Apparently their warranty is conditional and I doubt they cover very much. My chainsaw has been in the shop about 3 weeks now, waiting for a part from Echo and it is going to cost $160 to repair. The only reason I bought this saw over the Husqvarna Ranchero was the Warranty. I will not be buying Echo products again. What kind of saw burns itself up if it is allowed to fast idle? SMH
ANY brand of saw will burn up if left on high idle. So will trimmers. High idle is close to engagement RPM in the centrifugal clutch. The clutch will begin to engage but it will be slipping - and creating heat. It can melt clutch covers, destroy bearing seals and warp the lower end of a plastic motor case. The owners manual says to hit the trigger and drop the idle as soon as the engine starts
Yeah leaving any saw on high idle for 10 min will ruin it. Your lucky it was just the clutch they tend to run leaner at low rpm 2 stroke engines aren't really made to sit at the bottom of rpm range for long time they will blow up. At least the 590 can be rebuilt for less then the price of another saw lol.
This vid personnal opignion is not but really not fair all that you show and talk is the echo cut multiple log with echo but 3cut with the stihl dont convice me you neutral i hown serval echo a cs 310 a cs 490 a cs 501p a cs620pw i really love them they are great saw But you cant chose a saw on the fly when your not bucking at least a half day with each P.s. tha would be funny the channel echo means buisness chose the stihl 😂
I have the 620p echo with a 24" bar and skip chain......I absolutely love this saw! I have a small firewood business, and this is my saw for cutting up trunks into big rounds to be split. It rarely boggs down even on even the toughest oaks. Though it is a little hefty with that big bar, once I law it down to cut the saw pretty much does all the work. It fire's right up no matter if it's 95° or 25° outside. I have nothing but respect for stihl saws, but on my budget I went with echo for all three of my saws (310, 4910, 620). I use them daily with no issues or regrets.
Agreed. I to have to 310, 620p and 590. I want another 310 to save. I just muffler modded and tuned and it don't skip a beat. It beat my friends stock cs400 until I told him about my mods. An ease through iron wood.
Just bought one too,but I put a 27 inch bar& chain.. love it.
I wanted a Stihl for Christmas.....my old lady got me an Echo......I hadn't researched them ..... It's just there is a Stihl plant in McKinney Texas right by where I used to work. After watching many reviews.....I think my old lady outsmarted me once again . Thanx for your review!
Enjoy the new saw!
She did good the 620 is the best 60cc on the market imo. Will last a lifetime without regular visits to the dealer and if it ever needs rebuilt parts are way cheaper and readily available online.
After multiple plastic parts on my Stihl's breaking (gas caps, run switches etc) I bought a Echo CS590 and haven't looked back. While I kind of wish I'd gone for the 620, with a muffler mod and some other minor upgrades I'm very happy. Best saws for the money in my book.
Saw arrived yesterday th-cam.com/users/postUgkxfQm1wmg0ItKDLavxj1nXtQY9HP7EF504 and today I cut about 3/4 cord of wood with it. Make sure you get an extension chord that is at least 12 gauge wire, minimum. This is my first electric in about 10 years, and things sure have improved. The self-sharpener works great, and it just kept cutting through some pretty decent logs. Wear your eye protection, and ear protection. Excellent saw.
Have been using a echo 690P with 27 inch bar for 3 years, no problems and cuts like a beast, echo is my go to saw, a friend uses stihl and used mine, he was impressed how nice it cut
Awesome feedback! Thanks for watching =)
Just got a cs 590 and cut a bunch of 20 inch plus oak. It worked great cuts fast no problems at all. Nice saw for the price.
same and I love it
Just bought echo timber wolf best saw I ever owned I have still husky and poulan
Echo is my go to chainsaw. I own 2, small and big. Great saws
I've been a Stihl guy my whole life and I collect vintage chainsaws. I have several vintage Echo saws and love em'! They start first pull every time. If I had to buy something new today, I would seriously consider Echo. They're no joke!!
Thanks! What's your favorite one?
Favorite Vintage Echo, my 650 EVL. Newer Echo saws I'd like to own, 590, 600, 620, 7310.
I bought a 620P back in May after initially looking to purchase a comparable Stihl of Husqvarna. The plethora of negative reviews on Stihl and Husqvarna's pro saws was very troubling to me. Most were related to these new electronic carburetors and poor customer service after the sale. That's when I learned about rave reviews of the Echo CS-590 Timber Wolf. I did some research and decided I wanted the 620P. A pro caliber chainsaw with a conventional carburetor, no negative reviews, a 5 year warranty and $200 or more cheaper than the other two brands.
I ordered my 620P with a 24" bar and chain. I have been nothing short of impressed! The 620P has the torque you want in a work saw. I have fully buried the bar bucking and it will spit chips like a beast with no bogging. The 620P is a rock solid saw and easy to work on and tune. I recently tached it being broke in and it turned out to be set perfectly by Echo.
The 620P can easily run a 27" bar as it has power to spare with the 24" bar. I do feel it is best balanced though with the 24".
With a muffler mod and carb tune the 620P with a 27" bar will even out cut some 70cc saws running 24" bars. I watched a guy do it on TH-cam in a head to head comparison.
My only complaint with the 620P is its on the heavy side for extensive limbing. But to be fair the 620P isn't designed to be a limbing saw, it's a felling and bucking saw as well as an ideal saw for large diameter firewood.
The 501P (as good as or better than the MS 261) which I also bought is perfect for limbing and in most cases what I would consider the ideal all-around general purpose firewood saw.
Most people could get by with just the 501P and if you only want one chainsaw, this is the one I highly recommend. If you want or need a two saw arsenal, which I think is best, (because no matter how proficient you are with a chainsaw, it sure is nice to have a backup not IF but WHEN you get the bar pinched) then I'd buy the 501P and the 620P or the 501P and the soon to be released 73cc? (I believe) pro saw Echo is about to unveil on the US market if one needs a saw bigger than the 620P.
Great points and feedback!!! Thanks for watching
@Danny Gonzalez 20" bar should balance fairly well. If anythjng it might be a little heavy in the rear. It rips with a 24" bar. An 18" would scream so that should give you an idea of what a 20" would do. The 620P will run a 27/28" bar no problem.
@@obeconoberougle9497 op
My timber wolf is flawles
I've owned several old (1978-1993) Stihl saws and they do run an cut nicely. However, working at an Echo dealer for 10 years now, the new Echo saws are beasts. The 680 you tested has been refined now, and we now offer the 80.7cc CS-800 which is a high-rpm monster of a saw.
They definitely are beasts - and keep getting better!!
Is the CS-800 available in the US? Biggest I’ve seen from Echo in North America is the CS-7310.
@@eurokid83 I think the cs800 isnt available anymore,atleast not here in the United states. The cs7310 replaced it as their big saw,unless someone knows different.
@@ciphercode2298 I’m thinking OP meant CS-8000 not 800?
I started as a Husky guy, then went to Stihl for a couple years until a buddy had an older Echo. Now I collect the 500evl and bigger saws. 14 so far, even have a couple of the twin cyl saws. Hoping to pick up a 900evl next weekend to handle my big saw needs. Not like my 750 and 800 evl's have ever had an issue. Great review.
Love my CS600P. Great and reliable saw. Just bought the CS 2512 to complement it. Great combination. Also have the Echo pole saw. Okay all my power tools are Echo. Blower, string trimmer, hedger, etc. 😜
I too have all Echo products.. I've never had a bad experience with any of my Echo's. I've always wanted to own a Stihl chainsaw but it's hard to purchase one when you have the best feeling, best balanced chainsaw on the market, and best warranty in the business.
Both good saws, but bought an Echo 590 TimberWolf 3 years ago, and ended up selling my Stihl 036. Echo simply smokes Stihl in cutting speed and torque. The price at $399-429 makes it a no brainer.
Not exactly. I have a 036 pro and a CS-600P and even with a muffler mod on the 600 my 036 is faster. A stock 590 will not out cut a 036.
@@eurokid83 I guess we simply have different experiences. But both are good saws for sure.
@@landbaron4086 yes they’re definitely both good saws, maybe your 036 was a little tired? I like my 600P it’s a good runner. Value for money Echo is the clear winner.
There is something wrong with the Stihl your using. Find me 3 guys that truly cut wood. I guarantee they will tell you the Stihl is faster. Echo is a great product. Just needs a little boot in the ass.
@@benredmond8271 Nothing wrong with you believing what you think. I simply choose to believe what I know. 036 was in great shape, and again, and good saw.
I bought the CS590 and had a muffler mod done and had it tuned. It's a beast.
I inherited my grandfather's echo Cs600p. He ran that thing with a 27" chain and beat the orange out of it. Before he lost his ability to cut wood when his health decline rapidly he had a salesman talk him into a Stihl MS 362 and it is also a great saw but It seemed to lose power after a hard day of abuse. Since his passing my uncle has had it get worked on seems like every time he needs to use it.
I had a friend offer me a basically brand new 362cm for a steal. I said "no thanks". I've often questioned that as the Stihl was noticeably lighter. That was 8yrs ago...
Got very sick w/covid and haven't used my Echo in 3+ yrs.
Last week went out to the cold barn where it stays, but a bit of fresh fuel on top of the old and it fired like I ran it Yesterday.
Unbeatable reliability and great power. Starts perfect in -10° to 100°f, every time.
I run 32" bar on mine sometimes 😉
Echo saws are great!! I have 4 now!! A CS-352-ES with a 14" bar. AMAZing light saw.. A CS-2511-TES the 25cc top handle saw. This saw is just brilliant!! The Echo PPT-2620HES pole saw, these are great too, and finally, just yesterday i bought a CS-7310SX with a 28" bar. Hve not cut wood with it yet, but it starts easily and runs great!!
I currently have a echo 590 and a 400 love both they are very dependable and really get after it . I have also owned a 042 stihl I bought new a outstanding cutting saw the price difference in echo and stihl leaned me towards echo $450 for the 590 echo vs over a $1000 for a 044 stihl which replaced the 042.
Thank you for sharing this, Jack!
Need a video w the Stihl Ms 251 vs Echo CS 4510 . I'm going w ECHO! Please I would love to see these 2 saws go head to head.
Just curious when you say the stihl saw seemed more "plasticky" with less metal components than the echo what specific parts/pieces are you referring too? I don't own an echo but have picked up many. I do own a stihl ms 261ccm though and considered the 361/362 but opted for 261. Both 2 and 3 series saws are really clos in build quality and features. That being said my flywheel cover/rear handle/top cover are polymer or plastic. As well as the handle bar. Everthing else is magnesium..I would say 70-80% of the saw body is magnesium or metal. I've heard this argument before from Husky and Echo peeps and from my experience the only difference is the handlebar. Husky and many Echo are aluminum or steel. I owned a 545 mk II and thought it was a great little saw but my 241 was the one I picked up 90% of the time. Really only grabed the 545 when I ran outta gas and ended up giving to my brother for his b-day. Anyway if Echo's have changed and are now made of 100% magnesium or metal plesse forgive me. Or if there are some components that I'm missing please elaborate. Other than that I feel you entire video was based on promoting echo saw. Not really a fair assessment of the two.
Should try a 550 mkII
Im a huge Echo fan, my two climbing saw are a 303t and a 355t and both have never let me down, zero problems in 2-3 years now. I just ordered a cs501p to use along with a older (with a whopping 10 hours if that on it) Husquvarna 350. I dont take trees down any more and sold my Husq. 395xp (that was a beast of a saw) but its the perfect saw for me to cut up smaller rounds. Around here Husquvarna is having issues with delivery on everything, my dealer put in an order last November and still no delivery date.
Reliability and availability are super important and excellent points. Glad you are liking your saws!
@@bedellpropertymanagement Yeah scratched the 501 and got a CS620P, the 24" bar is a back saver and got more saw and features for about 50 bucks difference.
I had bad luck with a stihl weed eater and have purchased echo products ever since. Cs590 cs330t and cs2511t.
I love that ECHO saw. I have 2 of them. You couldn't have explained it better - balance!!
Thanks Mike!
Would have liked to see you run a husky 562 along with the stihl and echo
Great video bro I'm gonna get this echo saw thx
I have several Echos and use Echo as my main climbing saw. Also have Stihl for ground work. Love them all. Would not turn any of them away. Echo has a cost advantage. My next saw will be the 620P with a 27" bar.
I put a CS450 through hell anytime I got to cut wood and sometimes I feel bad for the saw cuz I've got multiple chains and I'll just keep on going all day.. I cut mesquite and oak and the saw gets it done I put a 20-in bar on it as soon as I bought it I might want to go to a 18 and see how the power is on them larger trees I'm getting to. I'm definitely an echo fan.
Been using Srihl and Echo for about five years now, they are both good saws . I cut firewood and they haven’t let me down, good saws. I bought my son an Echo and never looked back. Stihl is getting to expensive for me.
I agree - both good saws! Thanks for watching
Going to port the echo like Tinman on his TH-cam channel and see how it works out .. Just need to finish up my firewood 🪵 for the year first
Bought an echo very good saw
Echo cs 4510! Great saw it continues to break in 3 years old now . Stock saw still workin great 👍.Make a video comparing the Stihl MS 251 vs Echo CS 4510. Great video. Both pro saws equal in cc. Now the farm saw 45 cc class. If it's possible.?
My first saw was/is cs352, love that monkey, awesome for brush work and under 20 inch trees. Second saw was Stihl ms880, I milled a 4 year drop Doug fir, 52 inch wide at center, hardest Doug fir I ever cut. Third saw is cs590, much heavier than C's 352(duh) but sets the field on fire. I even milled redwood with that. Fourth saw was a Stihl knockoff 90CC Ojenas, (copy of Ms 070), milled with it until the cheap throttle body gave way, intend to repair it with original Stihl parts, fifth saw was a PTDO(husky knockoff) worked like a cs590 until it too had throttle body failure, was able to get the wire hook back on, milled some redwood, it slipped out again. Not bad though for 105 dollars. Sixth saw was. MS190D, great for dumpster compacting if you don't hit metal. Both stihls burnt in house fire, but I have absolutely no complaints about the Echo. Next saw will be Echo too. There are a few videos on my channel.
I work on saws full time I love Stihl & Husqvarna but I been having alot of them coming in for repairs havent seen many echos come back the 620 p is a good saw it be my choice over the Ms 362 and 562
awesome feedback! no issues with either saw so far!!!
Echo have improved alot over the years .
I have a Stihl ,a Husky & a Echo & my Echo is my more go to saw ! .
Great vid 👍🇭🇲
Thanks!
Which models eh?
Can you elaborate on what parts are metal on the Echo and plastic on the Stihl? I personally haven't worked on that model Echo but noticed the exact opposite on other comparable models.
The bumper spikes were the biggest difference from what I can remember - was shocked that Stihl used them vs metal.
The magnesium covers are also a bigger advantage
The crankcase is magnesium. Less prone to warping or overheating. Slightly heavier but the added durability and longevity is worth it.
When you say "bumper spikes"....do you mean dogs? There is no way your running a 362/361 that doesn't come equipped with metal spikes....unless your running a homeowner/farm ranch saw. But as far as I know even those saws in 50 plus cc class spikes are metal...you running a ms 170?
As long as you stick with Stihl, Husqvarna, and Echo, you cant loose. They all make great saws and each brand has a model or two thats awesome. I have found that Husqvarna saws are alot easier on the hands with their vibration control. Stihl is made to last and echo is as well, as long as you dont get one with the primer bulbs that rot out and crack open.
I prefer dolmar. It sucks that makita is stopping gas engine production.
i have a Echo and love it
I don't own an Echo saw (that's why I watched the video), but I have owned and operated an Echo leaf blower and an Echo weed trimmer for over 5 years now. They are great! No problems with either...only use non ethanol gas with Seafoam additive...you'll be happy. Sorry to get sidetracked from the chainsaw.
ECHO battery operated appliances are complete junk - at least the battery packs are. I've owned this saw for just over a year and I've already had 3 battery packs die on me. Wouldn't be a huge deal if the battery packs were inexpensive, but they cost over $200 and they are virtually guranteed to appear as "Defective" on their charger in a matter of a month or two...just long enough for the warranty to expire.
@@jimmypenrose1401 the same can be said about virtually all battery operated equipment. It’s all hyped.
I agree with Bobby villa's reply as I own a echo 620p and it's a beast all day with no issues. The 590 timberwolf has the same engine but .5 hp less power for $150.to $200. Less.
well said!
the piston is a 1 ring design on the 590 vs 2 ring on the 620 the cylinders are different the carb is bigger on the 620 the 620 has an unlimited ignition coil , the coil is a limited type on the 590 the 620 has an aluminum handle vs plastic on 590 and the chip cover is metal also muffler is different lastly the 620 has a clutch with replacable sprocket pro style rim sprocket type. spend the extra cash on the 620 its a true pro level saw.
I have 2 echo saws 300 and 600p ive had the 300 for 20 years never did anything at all to it it still runs perfect. the 600p is an absolute beast never bogs down just digsgoing on year 7 with it. Why pay twice as much for an equal saw?
What was the length of the bar used on the Echo in your video? You commented on how nicely it balanced, and the bar length plays into that.
Both saws had 20” bars
Is it cutting hard to wood or soft wood
Echo that's all I ever used since 1998
Price point the Echo wins hands down.
price doesn't cut trees if you make a living from it.
@@94SexyStang valid point! In reality, much of the equipment in our industry pays for itself quickly - making the price not that big of a deal. A few hundred dollars more (or less) on a piece of handheld equipment is penny's over the lifetime of the equipment. It's all about whatever equipment the end user prefers.... and dealer support!
I have other echo equipment, looking at chainsaws. Was looking at reviews on stihls and really negative surprise. Alot of people had buyers remorse, expecting the tip of the pyramid product, but many of them returned it. Echo seems like the opposite. I think I'm gonna pick up the 40cc 18" model. Plus made in America.
Stihl has the best pro level saws, and I dont think people know what models are pro. Too many people thinking they can get pro level performance on a $200 backyard twig thrasher. A 261 is a great stihl and I think the pro models start there
I love Echo. I have the 2511T and the 501P. Both great saws. Echo is really coming on strong in the commercial department. They currently have the most powerful backpack blower in the world. Price is right too. Best trimmers too. It won't be long before they have the best reputation in the business.
I love the Echo brand,keep up the good work man.
Thanks, Brian!
Does the Sthil have the safety green chain on it? Id like to see both saws with same type chain in hardwood
i don't think so. the chain was what the equipment dealer (weingartz) installed when setting up the saw. no hardwoods on this particular job site - sorry!
Echo for the win I have 2 echo saws and a weed wacker will be buying more echo products when my leaf blower and other things kick the bucket definitely beet bang for the buck have no regrets with the products they offer. I actually like the Stihl chains better and Stihl sharpening file guide as well but the saw and power units made by echo are awesome
Awesome feedback! That Stihl sharpening file tool is super handy. I really like mine
I have The Echo CS-3510 I like this chain saw a lot Stihl is good too!!
I have a Homelite Super XL all original nothing fancy and it is still kicking butt after all these decades.
Wow your gear looks new and clean.
I’m not a fan of the 362 but it does have one notable feature that the Echo does not: captive bar nuts. That said the 620 is a better value and has more usable power IMHO. The 620 is the best choice all around in the 60 cc class. The only cons are the air filter and no captive bar nuts. It doesn’t have the rpm or throttle response of a 562 but has more torque in the bigger wood.
Great feedback! Both are excellent saws IMO
The Echo cs 620 has captive bar nuts.
@@kasjun1 I’m glad that I was wrong about that. I should have known since my 501 has them. I would use a foam pre filter on the Echo 50-60cc saws. I got mine from the chainsawguy at the Myrtle Creek saw shop.
I got a early 600p, added the 620 carb unlimited coil and wrap handle. Did a port Nd polish and muffler mod. It smokes my 362cm.
I think what you meant to say, when compared to the stihl. The echo goes up in smoke
I’m not saying Stihl is bad. I’m saying they rest on their laurels more now than they used to. Every professional government funded forestry service basically uses Stihl and so they can start cutting corners on making plastic parts and making things cheaper as long as ppl associate the name with professional use. Stihl, husky, echo all great saws very little problems with any of them, just go with a good dealer that’s close to your home and you’ll be fine. I’m lucky enough to have all 3 dealerships close to me and they’re all great to work with because they know if they aren’t then the other 2 will take all the business.
got wonder if they delete comments, only ones, they love it
nah there's some mixed opinions in these comments for sure
Difference in wood, tree in open less dense, thus Echo cut like butter, the Stihl was cutting in a place not cleared out where water saturates and holds water longer making that tree more dense. Echo are good but the test was flawed. He should've cut the same tree using both saws, the tree was certainly long enough.
Thanks for the feedback. Both trees fell in the same storm a year earlier. In my observation, the opposite was true - nothing is ever going to be a perfect comparative test.
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I bought an Echo CS-400, I used to have a Stihl 028 Woodboss. The Stihl had a heavier duty bar and chain than the Echo, the Echo bar and chain is like a kiddie saw compared to the Stihl.
I choose the orang color one ☝️ nice video sir
Thanks for watching!!!
My experience with stihl is that they don’t hold up. Work great when brand new, but the short-cuts in materials cause problems before long.
I call bull on short cuts in materials! Explain why most loggers and tree service people use STIHL!
Maybe he had Stihl's home owner saws... unfortunately they do have to cut some corners in order to meet a price point that fits the need of a home owner who only needs a saw occasionally.
But if one uses their home owner saws commercially, yeah, their not gonna hold up well.
@@nm6405 still bull. I had the pleasure of touring the Virginia Beach factory when worked at an ACE hardware. Sold a ton of STILL products. I personally own an 023 since 1994. Still running strong. Cut down STIHL all you want, best saw built.
@@richardfuerst5286 wasn't saying Stihl made bad saws, just home owner category saws of just about any manufacture are not gonna hold up to commercial use. Stihl's commercial saws are great.
I owned an echo 30 yrs ago an one of the best chainsaws I ever owned an used started easy an never any problems with it . My friend that I cut wood with bought one to . I'm going to buy one for my grandson hope they are as good as they were 30yrs ago
That's an awesome testimony to the longevity of well-maintened equipment! I'm sure your Grandson will love his saw!
buy the pro models, they are great .
I'm leaning towards and echo, just managing the place and maybe helping neighbors some. Cutting out on the end of the bar like that is a bad habit to get into. It isn't just the wear on the bar in an area you can't file, they'll come back and bite you. I'd like to see an apples to apples video.
Too bad you didn't have large oak logs, or yellow birch. Ultimately some really hard wood. Like the echo though. But Stihls have earned there place, they are top notch.
In the last three years I have been through one 362 and one 562 XP. The Stihl was in and out of the shop since new. It would bog badly in the cut, was a bugger to start and whenever it decided it would flat out not run at all. Got it back from the shop, it’s seventh time, after a carb and coil/microprocessor replacement, which was out of warranty buy a few weeks. Keep in mind the shop has looked over this saw and just came off warranty. No happy at all with dealer. Always going to do all before the sale... Anyhow took it out in the woods, I always burn non-e gas and Schaeffer’s two-stroke oil. Got the saw into a 20” or so oak tree and about halfway through, she seized. Couldn’t believe it. It had run lean and burnt a hole in the piston crown. Stihl did nothing to assist. It’s in the barn in a box aging.
The Husky story is similar, different shop. The 562 ran well for two years and then had starting having bogging issues off idle. Stumbled, erratic acceleration. You know, all the things a pocket screwdriver fixes in a few moments.
Decided to get the 620PW. I can tell you it’s a great saw, starts easy, cuts great, decent on fuel. A five year warranty to boot. I sell firewood so my saw is used everyday. I have had the Echo just over a year it’s gas, oil, one pull and I’m cutting. Not to mention hundreds cheaper than the other two offerings. Two piston rings, a Japanese built two-stroke, it all makes for one reliable saw. Some say not professional-I beg to differ!
The horror stories I've read and heard concerning those electronic carburetors are what drove me away from buying a Stihl or Husqvarna pro saw and lead me to Echo. It's nearly impossible now to find a Stihl or Husqvarna pro saw with a conventional carburetor, as the vast majority of those models have been bought up. I looked for the MS 261 and MS 362, but the only ones available are the M-tronic versions now. I own the 501P and 620P. I couldn't be happier. They start reliably and easily, run smooth with great torque and power and are easy to keep maintained and serviced. Plain and simple... they are rock solid chainsaws built with the K.I.S.S. formula in mind. And they cost a great deal less with a far better warranty than the competition. The key is to find a good local Echo dealer. Dolmars (Makita) are more comparable to the Echo's build quality, but they too are just about as expensive as Stihl and Husqvarna, and parts/service dealers are far and few between in comparison to Echo.
I have the same opinion about my cs490 although it's not a 620 it has the same story. It's cheaper than the stihl and husky equivalent. I think echo saws are better saws for and I would never own a husky or a stihl again. Echo starts and runs good and they're a lot lighter.
Great feedback!!
These early renditions of electronically modulated carbs seem to have a lot of issues. Husky has seemed to have gotten it spot on with the 572xp but the 575/576xp and early 562xp were all pretty lousy reliability wise. My uncle has a non-mtronic 362, and it's a decent saw. Had a 361 prior, as did my brother. And to be completely honest, I prefer my echo cs590 over the stihls. Nothing really against those two stihls but just not real impressed. The echo definitely has more bottom end torque in bigger wood or buried. The stihls like to rev for sure, but don't quite have the snot down low when 'the going gets tough'.
there is a reason why only these three brands are ever compared to each other.For longevity the echo has my vote for sure.always runs i never worry that my saws (echo) will let me down while im finishing my coffee before the start of the day.I worry more about my back, lol.
My new husky came with a bad carb both husky are junk in the old days 268 xp husky was the way to go pro echo timber wolf is awsome
Not to be that guy but those chaps aren't gonna save the back of your thighs when you drop start a saw with the bar break disengaged. I've had to adjust my carb in the colder months because the chain will start to spin at idle but I didn't find that out the second I started the saw because the bar break was on. Power saws are hungry animals and should be handled with respect. That being said, I have a CS490 and I love it. It's a serious saw and Echo offers the user way more bang for their buck (pun intended) than the other orange guys.
shindaiwa echo efco and dolmar my go to chainsaws 25 year arborist used about every saw there is stihls have tons of power and rev out nice but the others are lighter with at least the same pull in wood cuts execpt the dolmar which just puts the new stihls to shame
thanks for the feedback!
Nice video.
I would have liked to have seen wich parts were metal on the Echo vs plastic on the Stihl.
Just take a few minutes and show us the differences.
1978garfield great feedback 👊
same metal pull cord cover an chip deflector metal on both .very similar build materials !
The log cut witht the stihl was hella thicker than the one with the echom
That may be the camera angle playing tricks. Both trees had a comparable DBH
I'm going to buy the echo for now ill use my pro mac 610 McColluch chainsaw the promac 610 will smoke that Stihl if tuned correctly or when new
Have both an Echo and Stihl. This is not a good test. You need to compare with some oak, hickory or walnut. That's a real test. I can get a Poulan to do this good on pine.
I had to go with the job that we had on the books. Some nice hardwood would have been a great test!
Good for you, Naomi
There was more plastic features on the Echo saw? The cover on the chain side is the only piece of metal on the body, while practically the whole Stihl is metal. I had it for a less then two months and the spline by the front vibration dampener, that's part of the rear handle broke. I've worked with Husky's and Stihl's for over 20 years and I've never busted one so easy. Now I'm in the middle of taking the entire saw apart to replace the rear handle. The worst part is the adjustment screws on the carb are plastic. I was trying to adjust it last week and they were frozen, so it stripped right away. I got new screws on order, but wish they would just send me real metal ones. And this is supposed to be a professional series saw. On the plus side it is well balanced and has decent power. I got one of these instead of a Stihl or Husky and I totally regret it. If you're just using it to get firewood once in a while it will be fine, but I wouldn't recommend it for daily professional use.
I’m a huge echo fan, but I also got a lot of stihl equipment. The thing the new stihl just is not as good as they used to be. The 036 and 360 were excellent but the 361 and 362 have done down hill in quality.
Don’t forget a ported echo costs the same or less as the equivalent stihl. And in my experience crushes the more expensive counterpart. 🤘🏼
But will it last as long lol probably not
@@russrtspooling7702 Yeah maybe really depends on how the work is done. Imo a port and polish job without adding a ton of squish wont hurt longevity. Different strokes for different folks I love showing up on jobs with my ported 355t with 16 inch bar. I get funny looks.
A little bias here? I have both saws and both are very good. I like the Stihl a little better.
I've used Stihl all my life, the chain comes off way too much, it never comes off on the echo. I always used Stihl, whenever I first used an echo I'll never put my hands back on another stihl. The echo 590 sounds like a freaking dirt bike what kind of crack you smoking 🤣🤣
Surprise of the century! I mean the name is echo means business
echo
ran them both,,,echo is cheaper better warranty , stihl 362c sounds and looks better ....it really comes down to brand warranty both great saws
Stihl number 1 worldwide brother
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You cant go wrong with a stihl chainsaw, Yea you can compare it to others, and there might be some slight disadvantages in certain areas with a stihl, but that being said, no matter what its a stihl, you cant go wrong going with one
Honestly you can't really go wrong with most american/german/Swedish made pro saws. At some point it's all brand preference and that's okay
Stihl is junk compared to dolmar. The echo cs490 is a well more all around built saw than stihl
Both are great saws!
Stihl sounds like a BMW, Echo like a Honda.
Interesting observation!
As much as you are paying extra for the stihl it should come with more than a bag of cheap Chinese tools!
Wood was rotten, could cut with a weed wacker, sorry !
Agreed to disagree - that just wasn't the case.
I think they both were good but no offense I think you choose echo because you support echo I mean your channel is called echo means business just saying
I tend to go with Stihl for we got 2 dealers and sale all the way to ms462. Orscheln is the only place to get echo here and dont have much options biggest is the 510
dealer support is huge!
Why would you cut on a different tree for comparison? I stopped watching at that point.
I have used the echo and the Stihl chainsaw for over 10 years vehicle it's a easy start in the first or second the Stihl saws State stakes a long time to start it takes like 8 to 12:00 starts to get it running we're talking about a new one or a 01 they ain't worth a f***and The echoes are easy to start and they're better sauce
The Stihl engine sounds guttier (stronger) than the whinier Echo.
Thanks for sharing!
I am watching this because I'm tired of my echo breaking and am searching for alternative comparrisons. My 2 year old echo CS-590 has failed 6 times in the 12 gallons of gas I've put through it. Every 2 gallons of gas something is going to break. I highly reccomend everyone find another brand and stay away from Japanese stuff.
Stihl isn't what is use to be. Like everything I guess.
In Italia le motoseghe Stihl sono vendute meno perchè costano molto e la qualità non regge il costo. Le motoseghe Echo invece sono ovunque!
Great feedback! Thanks for watching!!
Stihl is overpriced as usual !
Stihl is the Toyota of chainsaws. Go stihl and don’t look back it’ll last you forever
Liked the stolen chainsaw better
With all that safety gear you still started the saw the unsafe way.
it's an echo channel. wonder if he picks echo? get real. how about a review without a known outcome
Put the 690 against any of the stihl magnum series. A 441 will blow it out of the water. Your comparing stihls smallest commercial saw to echo second biggest...
Agree to disagree
With a new chain and a running engine both should obviously cut. The differences are in the little things. Sthil is the best saw on the market when it comes to maintaining and heavy professional use. This guy with his beer guy won’t be able to properly notice what professional tree cutters know. Eco is garbage and will not last a lifetime.
Judging by the name of your channel and sponsorships, totally and absolutely Bias. I’ve owned several really phenomenal saws. Echo. McCulloch. Stihl….
I’m sorry, dude, but for the ALL DAY AND ALL WEEK, I bring my Stihls. And Stihls only. Period.
Don’t get me wrong, echo is phenomenal, Husqvarna is great.
The chainsaw market. Is Stihl. Sorry. Pretty much a standard in my part of the forest.
Black Walnut, Cherry, Elm, Yew, ERC, Maple, Red Oak, White Oak, SYP, White Pine. Missouri hard and softwoods. Stihl, all the way.
WOW ....this was apples to apples comparison. should have cut long straight tree to double the length pieces then came back and cut with steel to single piece wood. with all crap i cut , this was very poor comoarison.
I bought an Echo CS590 chainsaw. I used it about 7 times over 15 months. The clutch burned. I took it in for repair and was told that I let it fast idle too long (apparently approximately 10 minutes is too long). It was not covered under Echo's 5 year warranty. Apparently their warranty is conditional and I doubt they cover very much.
My chainsaw has been in the shop about 3 weeks now, waiting for a part from Echo and it is going to cost $160 to repair. The only reason I bought this saw over the Husqvarna Ranchero was the Warranty. I will not be buying Echo products again.
What kind of saw burns itself up if it is allowed to fast idle? SMH
Sorry to hear about that! Thanks for sharing
The kind with not enough oil. What mix did you run?
ANY brand of saw will burn up if left on high idle. So will trimmers. High idle is close to engagement RPM in the centrifugal clutch. The clutch will begin to engage but it will be slipping - and creating heat. It can melt clutch covers, destroy bearing seals and warp the lower end of a plastic motor case. The owners manual says to hit the trigger and drop the idle as soon as the engine starts
If it had been Stihl or Husky it would have done the same to them.
Yeah leaving any saw on high idle for 10 min will ruin it. Your lucky it was just the clutch they tend to run leaner at low rpm 2 stroke engines aren't really made to sit at the bottom of rpm range for long time they will blow up. At least the 590 can be rebuilt for less then the price of another saw lol.
This vid personnal opignion is not but really not fair all that you show and talk is the echo cut multiple log with echo but 3cut with the stihl dont convice me you neutral i hown serval echo a cs 310 a cs 490 a cs 501p a cs620pw i really love them they are great saw
But you cant chose a saw on the fly when your not bucking at least a half day with each
P.s. tha would be funny the channel echo means buisness chose the stihl 😂