Fiona needs SO MUCH therapy. I always thought that Debbie's pregnancy triggered that flee response, reminding her of raising her siblings everytime that Frank and Monica had another kid. She pushed all her feelings down for decades and at a certain point you can't do that anymore so that's how I think of the actress' departure
@@xxplasticxx4893 Ian and Lip were basically grown… Lip was almost done with HS.. Carl and liam were placed with a really good family that actually cared to teach him right from wrong.. they gave him a tutor which he needed badly.. fed them healthy,good hygiene etc
I feel like Fiona was good at meeting physical needs and understood things like making doctors appointments and signing permission slips. The cracks definitely show with regard to emotional stuff. Her coping skills are non-existent. But no one ever taught her to be a functional human being, of course she didn’t really know how to parent. It’s really a shame that Gallaghers didn’t do therapy.
People hate Fiona more than they hate frank and Monica but fail to realize that Fiona has been taking care of her siblings and PARENTS since 9 years old and had to drop out at 16 and only STARTED to TRY and prioritize herself until she was about 23. Her DEVELOPMENTAL years were stolen from her. And she had to make an adjustment very late in her life. No therapy, no help, no moral training. She had to do it all on our her own and turned out better than what she could have ended being. Yet she’s constantly insulted, talked down on, called a failure, use her pain and trauma against her, and never truly given credit, and never truly understood. I’m not excusing her mistakes but I find it really interesting that so many people hate her…
@@Lavarias.kayla03 does she do coke? Why? I know it’s an entire nation addicted to drugs both legal and illegal but where are the heroes that have a moral compass innately?
I'm always so mad at Fiona until Lip says something to her, then I'm a diehard Fiona-defender because I can't stand Lip's fresh-out-of-AA holier-than-thou attitude that he seems to save just for Fiona.
i KNOOOOW i should hate fiona because all of the horrible things she did but i really couldnt bring myself to hate her because i sympathized for her character too much i think especially since i have an older sister who raised me like how she raised all her siblings but she took care of them when frank and monica werent there (ignoring the fact that she almost killed liam) she had that coke because she never got to party during her teens and early 20s because she was stuck raising everyone else its not an excuse but i get why she made all the wrong decisions its hard to put her on trial and negate everyting else she has done for them as for the men in her life i let her have her fun because at the end of the day she got bills paid and food on the table she may have been sleeping with her heroin addict boss but she got everyone else jobs and free food from that diner !!
Yeah I truly sympathize with fiona because at a young age she was forced to take care of her siblings due to Monica and frank being too messed up and frank and Monica's families refused to help
I think the big difference between Lip and Fiona (at least in the beginning of the show) is that Lip saw a future for himself while Fi didnt. she imagined herself taking care of those kids FOREVER, while Lip was aware of the fact that one day he would be onto better things- or at least thats what he wanted. Fi sees herself as the kids mom, which means shes tethered to them forever. she felt like she would ALWAYS be responsible for them no matter what, she had no life or amibitions outside of the kids. Lip didnt imagine himself as the kids' dad, he never imagined himself there forever. he wanted out, Fiona didnt
I totally understand why fiona spiraled when she did because she was forced to be the responsible one for so long I was glad that she decided to move and live for herself plus it was time for her to leave because her siblings didn't need her anymore
I don’t know if anyone notices this but Fiona never smokes her OWN cigarettes. She always bummed one off someone else or would find a pack while cleaning or something and take one. As a former pack a day smoker that irked me.
I think the reason people hate female characters is because the writing for women used to be so bad. I think the writing for women has improved and I never hated Fiona. Did she make mistakes? Yeah, sure. But I always admired her because she was strong, feisty, and owned up to her mistakes. Also she loved her family to death and there's nothing she wouldn't do for them.
Yeah I didn’t even see why that storyline was necessary or how it pushed the story forward. He didn’t have to “act black” (and i put heavy quotation marks on that bc all black personalities are different) to do anything
Despite my sporadic viewing of Shameless USA, I never hated Fiona. She had to suffer to the nth degree and be a third parent to her younger siblings. In fact, it was almost like she has become their mother when her own father Frank was too wasted to care, and her mother felt completely helpless. Yes, she did some deeds that were rather uncalled for, but she is still somebody I can root for, relate to, and understand with all my heart, mind, and soul because she did not ask to be a third parent let alone grow up too fast in her young adult years. Therefore, despite the things she has done, it is good to know that characters like Fiona are still human beings with souls and minds of their own, and not total Mary-Sues, which makes her all the more relatable, understandable, and lovable because of her flaws and the situations she has found herself in, especially within the confines of those polarising family dynamics.
Im the oldest of 10!!! Fiona had been taking care of her siblings since she was 9! Of course shes going to age and fast. Ive always identified with Fi Though my parents were/are still present and were present throughout our lives. I still looked after my bros &sis. In retrospect my mom had mental issues we didn't know she did up until recently. As her mental health progressed the reins were handed to me. Whenever the younger ones got introuble at school she'd call me to sort things out. She started to care less and less. I also get why maybe Fi spirals down. Imagine all that you know in life is chaos and taking care of your fam. To then realzing that your siblings dont need you, they're grown. Thats all she ever known. Thats all she thought she was good at or good for until she decides to leave😢. Fi and her love life: theres one episode where she tell lip that her life is fucked up because she jumps from relationship to relationship. She knows her love life is messy. But thats why it "worked" with jimmy. Jimmy was chaos and a bad boy. Thats why it never worked with the good guys.
I never understood why she didn't give up guardianship once she didn't want to take care of them anymore instead of just abandoning Liam. She could've literally asked Kev and V to take custody of him and then left.
I would love one of these solely on Lip. I heard from other fans they were disappointed in his character but I think he made progress in other ways. Also I loved seeing the toxic relationship between him and Karen lol. Just they are my favorite toxic couple to watch. I have problems I know lol
The problem with putting all the blame on Fiona is how many other people that were there and said nothing. Kevin and V were there, all the other siblings Including lip who was I think 18?, and I think a couple other adults were there. Like it was her responsibility to clean up but she was letting loose And as an adult, you should always be protecting and thinking about children even if it’s not ur kids
UGHHHH NOOOO 1)Kev & V are not liam’s guardian nor family 2) there was no other adults there 3)Lip & Debbie wasn’t there yet they was out finding ian debbie found him when they got back
ok here’s what everybody missed with fiona how she always was a shitty person.. her friendship with jasmine.. all she needed was a place to stay for a few days fiona said no jasmine did a lot of fiona she gave her free clothes, connects for a job, she stayed with fiona when lip & ian got arrested
What would annoy me was her saying she raised 5 kids. After she became their guardian just completely changed and was anything but a parent. She was threatening to kick everyone out if they didn't have their share of rent. Even Carl who had saved them all, especially Fiona as head of the house, by buying the home so she should actually be paying him back tbh. Where I'm at in the show she barely interacts with Liam, and he seems to prefer hanging out with Frank over her.
4:05 Emmy Rossum was only 24-25 when season 1 was filmed and aired lol I think people forget how young the actress was irl cuz she has a more mature look. It's pretty close in age casting, as usually there's a larger gap with character age vs actor age
She’s just trying her hardest to get a one up and not have to struggle every corner she turns. There was stuff she did that bothered me but ultimately she’s just so unsure of who she really is because she’s had to be a caregiver and a sister and a friend and a worker her whole life. That’s a lot to juggle. Props to the writers for creating such a complex character.
I really only watch that video because i love your channel. But as a first immigrant daughter i related so much. Really they're is nothing anybody can say that could make hate her. She is me.
I loved Fiona right until she cheated on Mike with his own brother. She had it good with Mike. And then kept going back to Robbie’s. That’s when her downfall started.
Fiona liked Jimmy because he was chaos, that's all she's ever known. That's why it "worked ". There's one episode where Fiona admits her life is fucked up. She tells ,*lip?, something along the lines of " my life is fucked up because I go from relationship to relationship . I'm the oldest of 10! So the Yeats do take a toll on you. My parents were/are present, but my mom started with mental health problems about 13 years ago. I've always helped my siblings. Whenever one my siblings acted out in school my mom would call me to sort things out. I also get why maybe Fiona spiraling down. Her siblings don't need her like they used to. She only knows two things chaos and helping her family.
I honestly could not stand Fiona. She acted like she was so much better than everyone else and liked to throw in their face all the time how much she did for them but wouldn't acknowledge how much the other siblings contributed to eachother and their household. Debbie was taking Liam to school everyday and running a daycare in freaking elementary school! Yes she had it hard but they all did and they never stopped having eachothers backs. Can't get behind her leaving and missing Ian's wedding and Lips son's birth. They were all eachother had their entire lives so for her to leave is so foul to me. Once she decided to "put herself first" she became so hearless. How are you gonna charge your struggling sister for food at a party that was already sitting out on the damn counter??? Like really....
@@YRTTSSFS so was she lol did she ever acknowledge her other siblings and how much they contributed or did she always act like she did everything herself?
@@bbell2172 oh she definitely did act that way i’m not saying she didn’t, fiona’s the kind of character that isn’t (originally) asked to do something, does it, then gets upset when no one realizes what she went through to do said thing. everyone’s flawed on the show i just added that piece to the situation
I stopped watching the show, years ago because I was just really over how no one really learned. No one really grew in a good way. I mean, from what I remember and my memories on the show are hazy at best (I only really remember season 1 and god, what was the foster kids name, Esther? And she had a baby. I remember that) I was always annoyed at Fiona for, I guess making it worse it always seemed like. It kind of falls into the sitcom issue, which is one of the reasons I don't really like sitcoms anymore, is the lack of character development and a reset to the norm either every episode or at the beginning of every season. Now, I am an only child, I have never had to care for all of my kids while my parents fucked off while one of them dangled their affection in front of me, but she could never admit she was wrong and I cannot stand that. Especially with the cocaine. In that sense, it reminds me too much of my own mom with her alcoholism and its just like, no thank you. Funnily enough, my mom is the reason I started watching the show, because after the end of Sex in the City, we needed another age inappropriate show to watch together. LOL
YES EXACTLY. For me (from what I can remember bc I haven’t sat and watched the whole thing in like a year) I also felt like I never saw growth from her character. It’s like they’d give us small glimpses but never anything permanent, except for when she left. I forgot about Esther! This show had sooo many moments it got hard to keep track
it got so tiring seeing the worst possible things happen to these characters. it got to the point where it seemed like there was no meaning behind their pain or misfortune. i watched until season 8 (i think) and stopped after that. it was one thing after another and i think the writers were grabbing at straws trying to keep the show going.
my favorite thing about shameless is how (most) the characters are so nuanced! They have good aspects, they have bad aspects. They fail, they make mistakes, they're loving, theyre hateful. They grow and regress and grow again. They can be the hero of one season and the villian of the next. I wish more shows would take those chances with their characters.
I loved Fiona, she was my favorite character, then the way her character shifted after the season she left her I'll just say "stuff" out and Liam got into it. Lip despite his self-destructive and addiction issues he quickly became my favorite character (of the family, V was my absolute favorite). He screwed up all the time also but I trusted his intentions more. Her selling out her neighborhood later on, becoming a gentrifier herself just was another nail in the coffin for me. She was never my least favorite though, by the end of the series Debbie was that. But like every character was fucked up.. Carl's appropriation, Ian's biphobia and transphobia (he kind of got over it but still). Everything about Frank and Monica.
As much as I love Fiona, I *100%* agree that the booger sugar storyline was her fault. Especially since she knew there were young kids in the house. Also, I haven’t watched Shameless properly but I agree that weird Carl storyline is a no from me
Just started watching Shameless, I'm currently on season 6. Seasons 1-5 I absolutely hated Frank but now I absolutely can't stand Fiona. She meets really good guys and screws them over. I also hate that she constantly forgives Frank, plus there was the whole Liam incident ugh 😩. Really can't believe she did Gus like that, I hate her.
OK W WHITE BOY CARL OHH MY GOD DUDE THAT WAS SO BAD but fiona’s smile to me was uncomfortable like “ what the fuck “. & i hate debbie no matter what. I’m sorry she just tried to be the “ new Fiona “ and it didn’t let Debbie shine for who she was which ruined her character so much
I understand why lots of people dislike her and their reasons are very valid but as someone who grew up with one narcissistic parent, one alcoholic parent and similar to her as the oldest having to take care 6 younger siblings I understand why she does what she does. Fiona is a perfect example of how hard it is to pick up the mess that was left to you by unfair circumstances. I honestly think Fiona is a character that is taken for granted and she should be giving more credit for being the character that she is. She may be hypocritical in certain scene but she atlases takes accountability for what she has done and tries to correct those mistakes and tries to be a better example for those kids.
The Fiona-Gus arc pissed me off so much but not because they got married so fast. I absolutely hated how she got married to Gus and practically MOVED OUT even though Debbie, Carl and Liam were still living there. No one was paying the bills, no one was doing grocery shopping, no one even knew she got married until it was almost over. She missed a lot of the signs from Ian and passed child bearing responsibility onto Lip and Sammi leading to a lot of resentment. She missed a lot during these long absences and was constantly playing catch-up with her siblings. This basically killed any relationship she had left with her youngest siblings after the cocaine thing. I can't even be mad at her, she was forced to drop out of school at 16 and take care of 5 kids. Her relationships were usually the most normal part of her life so it isn't shocking she would constantly go from guy to guy in search of that comfort. Her marriage to Gus was a last resort effort for something stable, in her mind if she got married he couldn't leave like how Jimmy left her. I can't blame Fiona for putting herself first, I was rooting for her through the whole series but her downward spiral was painful to watch. It brought a realism to the show, I wouldn't be able to handle the pressure either.
I haven't finished the video yet, I just feel like Fiona had so many chances to change. She cheated on like every guy she was with (except Jimmy), and she just made some really awful choices. Not that people don't make mistakes, but she just does it again and again and again. It was very unfair that she was forced to take care of all her siblings at such a young age, but she went to that court hearing and said she takes responsibility for all the kids and the judge even tried to kind of talk her out of it. But she said no, I take responsibility for them. And then she basically just chooses boyfriends over the kids
I really don’t undstand why people hate Lip for treating Fiona the way after the incident. He was in college and was struggling after evb in his family is telling him that he’s setting the curb for evb else in the family. his little brother could’ve died because of his guardian. I’m honestly shocked they did t take away her guardianship because if this was really life, she would’ve lost it. She really didn’t recover after Mike. She kept on going back to his brother to say they were done when all she couldve done was ignore him. She was very self destructive especially after Jimmy Steve left. It’s crazy how she wanted nb to cheat on her but she cheated on literally all her boyfriends. Just reminds me how everyone is flawed in this show. Love her tho 😭
I don’t understand people that can hate Fiona, she’s great characterisation and ultimately a pretty strong character. People that expect her to be emotionally well rounded and aware of her traumas, despite the environment and state she was shown to exist in…just don’t even make sense to me. That’s what I like about shameless - it’s wild, but the character responses are very understandable, they didn’t create a Mary sue.
Watching for the first time and I agree with you 100%!! She got guardianship and then left them to fend for themselves!! She wanted them to have a better life than she had and left them every night to be with her man at the time. Ugh
I liked Fiona up until Debbie got pregnant. I know she told her not to have the baby but she had her and she was still very young she needed help. It was like when Fiona agreed to be the guardian of her siblings the judge warned her what a long commitment it was going to be and I think she only did it to keep them out of foster care. I know she loved them but I don't think she fully understood the commitment. Frank actually said something to the baby fathers family when the dad said my son never wanted her to have that baby true but like Frank said she had her anyways and the baby needs things she costs money. She had the baby and she needed help. Like Frank and Monica had a bunch of kids too that Fiona had to raise. When she had the family meeting and made everyone pay Carl and Debbie was still under 18. I stated to really dislike Fiona in season 7 and was glad to see her leave in season 9.
Fiona felt entitled. Extra unpopular opinion: I understand wanting a life for herself but she should've just left town the first time. We and the characters knew if they stay there the cycle repeats itself. The first time she left to do the whole diner and laundromat storyline it felt like she abandoned the kids completely and wanted nothing to do with them.
The coke scene was so inaccurate. Nobody who actually does coke just leaves lines laying around. You do any coke that is out. The rest is still in the bag. Nobody just set a bunch of lines out and then goes back and randomly does them throughout the night.
Honestly, I stopped watching after Fiona was gone. I feel like Fiona was kind of reverting backwards when she got messy. I feel like she was doing things that a teenager would do, but as an adult. I think maybe she was trying to have experiences that a lot of teenagers do with being sexually reckless, not making great decisions and dabbling in drugs. But as an adult, it had a really messy look. I felt bad for her for a lot of things that happened.
I genuinely did like her but my biggest issue with fiona is that she causes her own problems and then cries about and blames everybody else And then continues to make her own problems
I never thought someone’s character development Over the seasons that would ultimately make me hate the character Also I didn’t watch Gilmore girls buuut idk I feel like maybe you could call it the golden years, a series
I don’t like her because she is always lecturing other people and telling them they need to get their shit together. Yet, she was the biggest fuck up of all of them, and constantly played the victim.
The coke scene was so inaccurate. Nobody who actually does coke just leaves lines laying around. You do any coke that is out. The rest is still in the bag. Nobody just set a bunch of lines out and then goes back and randomly does them throughout the night.
If you love Fiona, go to 1:23 that’s my message for you.
Before you comment make sure to watch the disclaimer bc I answer alot of questions there.
Fiona needs SO MUCH therapy. I always thought that Debbie's pregnancy triggered that flee response, reminding her of raising her siblings everytime that Frank and Monica had another kid. She pushed all her feelings down for decades and at a certain point you can't do that anymore so that's how I think of the actress' departure
WHOLE HEARTEDLY AGREE
can’t expect a mother from someone who never asked to be one
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but she did ask tho.. she went to court, and broke laws to get those kids back that’s asking and she was granted her wish
@@Jessica.Shawnte so they wouldn’t be raised by the system….to keep her family together, like at the end of day she’s just their sibling
@@xxplasticxx4893 Ian and Lip were basically grown… Lip was almost done with HS.. Carl and liam were placed with a really good family that actually cared to teach him right from wrong.. they gave him a tutor which he needed badly.. fed them healthy,good hygiene etc
@@xxplasticxx4893 at the end of the day she chose not to just be a sibling when got custody of her siblings
I feel like Fiona was good at meeting physical needs and understood things like making doctors appointments and signing permission slips. The cracks definitely show with regard to emotional stuff. Her coping skills are non-existent. But no one ever taught her to be a functional human being, of course she didn’t really know how to parent. It’s really a shame that Gallaghers didn’t do therapy.
People hate Fiona more than they hate frank and Monica but fail to realize that Fiona has been taking care of her siblings and PARENTS since 9 years old and had to drop out at 16 and only STARTED to TRY and prioritize herself until she was about 23.
Her DEVELOPMENTAL years were stolen from her. And she had to make an adjustment very late in her life.
No therapy, no help, no moral training. She had to do it all on our her own and turned out better than what she could have ended being.
Yet she’s constantly insulted, talked down on, called a failure, use her pain and trauma against her, and never truly given credit, and never truly understood.
I’m not excusing her mistakes but I find it really interesting that so many people hate her…
@@Lavarias.kayla03 does she do coke? Why? I know it’s an entire nation addicted to drugs both legal and illegal but where are the heroes that have a moral compass innately?
I'm always so mad at Fiona until Lip says something to her, then I'm a diehard Fiona-defender because I can't stand Lip's fresh-out-of-AA holier-than-thou attitude that he seems to save just for Fiona.
i KNOOOOW i should hate fiona because all of the horrible things she did but i really couldnt bring myself to hate her because i sympathized for her character too much i think especially since i have an older sister who raised me like how she raised all her siblings but she took care of them when frank and monica werent there (ignoring the fact that she almost killed liam) she had that coke because she never got to party during her teens and early 20s because she was stuck raising everyone else its not an excuse but i get why she made all the wrong decisions its hard to put her on trial and negate everyting else she has done for them as for the men in her life i let her have her fun because at the end of the day she got bills paid and food on the table she may have been sleeping with her heroin addict boss but she got everyone else jobs and free food from that diner !!
Yeah I truly sympathize with fiona because at a young age she was forced to take care of her siblings due to Monica and frank being too messed up and frank and Monica's families refused to help
I think the big difference between Lip and Fiona (at least in the beginning of the show) is that Lip saw a future for himself while Fi didnt. she imagined herself taking care of those kids FOREVER, while Lip was aware of the fact that one day he would be onto better things- or at least thats what he wanted. Fi sees herself as the kids mom, which means shes tethered to them forever. she felt like she would ALWAYS be responsible for them no matter what, she had no life or amibitions outside of the kids. Lip didnt imagine himself as the kids' dad, he never imagined himself there forever. he wanted out, Fiona didnt
I totally understand why fiona spiraled when she did because she was forced to be the responsible one for so long I was glad that she decided to move and live for herself plus it was time for her to leave because her siblings didn't need her anymore
I don’t know if anyone notices this but Fiona never smokes her OWN cigarettes. She always bummed one off someone else or would find a pack while cleaning or something and take one. As a former pack a day smoker that irked me.
💀💀💀💀 it bothered my boyfriend that she waited so long to ash
i never hated fiona. She tried so hard and so long for her family. Plus people love to hate women too soooo
Now that’s a fact!
I think the reason people hate female characters is because the writing for women used to be so bad. I think the writing for women has improved and I never hated Fiona. Did she make mistakes? Yeah, sure. But I always admired her because she was strong, feisty, and owned up to her mistakes. Also she loved her family to death and there's nothing she wouldn't do for them.
No bc so many ppl say they loved white boy carl but like- how can you like someone who’s so 😐
Yeah I didn’t even see why that storyline was necessary or how it pushed the story forward. He didn’t have to “act black” (and i put heavy quotation marks on that bc all black personalities are different) to do anything
Despite my sporadic viewing of Shameless USA, I never hated Fiona. She had to suffer to the nth degree and be a third parent to her younger siblings. In fact, it was almost like she has become their mother when her own father Frank was too wasted to care, and her mother felt completely helpless. Yes, she did some deeds that were rather uncalled for, but she is still somebody I can root for, relate to, and understand with all my heart, mind, and soul because she did not ask to be a third parent let alone grow up too fast in her young adult years. Therefore, despite the things she has done, it is good to know that characters like Fiona are still human beings with souls and minds of their own, and not total Mary-Sues, which makes her all the more relatable, understandable, and lovable because of her flaws and the situations she has found herself in, especially within the confines of those polarising family dynamics.
Yeah I never really hate her even though she made some horrible mistakes I still rooted for her and was glad that she left
Im the oldest of 10!!! Fiona had been taking care of her siblings since she was 9! Of course shes going to age and fast. Ive always identified with Fi Though my parents were/are still present and were present throughout our lives. I still looked after my bros &sis. In retrospect my mom had mental issues we didn't know she did up until recently. As her mental health progressed the reins were handed to me. Whenever the younger ones got introuble at school she'd call me to sort things out. She started to care less and less. I also get why maybe Fi spirals down. Imagine all that you know in life is chaos and taking care of your fam. To then realzing that your siblings dont need you, they're grown. Thats all she ever known. Thats all she thought she was good at or good for until she decides to leave😢.
Fi and her love life: theres one episode where she tell lip that her life is fucked up because she jumps from relationship to relationship. She knows her love life is messy. But thats why it "worked" with jimmy.
Jimmy was chaos and a bad boy. Thats why it never worked with the good guys.
I never understood why she didn't give up guardianship once she didn't want to take care of them anymore instead of just abandoning Liam. She could've literally asked Kev and V to take custody of him and then left.
Defend her? No. But everything always made sense
I would love one of these solely on Lip. I heard from other fans they were disappointed in his character but I think he made progress in other ways. Also I loved seeing the toxic relationship between him and Karen lol. Just they are my favorite toxic couple to watch. I have problems I know lol
I’d love to do a video on Lip and Karen too!
omg yes. It was such a dumpster fire but in the most fascinating way
God I hate lip with karen they were so toxic
lip was tired of fiona shit
Fiona never stood a chance. She tried like hell tho. Apples and trees .. apples and trees
The problem with putting all the blame on Fiona is how many other people that were there and said nothing. Kevin and V were there, all the other siblings Including lip who was I think 18?, and I think a couple other adults were there.
Like it was her responsibility to clean up but she was letting loose
And as an adult, you should always be protecting and thinking about children even if it’s not ur kids
Idk if this makes any sense, I’m welcome to criticism 😅
It's because she's the guardian and she left the coke out low enough for Liam to get it.
UGHHHH NOOOO
1)Kev & V are not liam’s guardian nor family
2) there was no other adults there
3)Lip & Debbie wasn’t there yet they was out finding ian debbie found him when they got back
ok here’s what everybody missed with fiona how she always was a shitty person.. her friendship with jasmine.. all she needed was a place to stay for a few days fiona said no jasmine did a lot of fiona she gave her free clothes, connects for a job, she stayed with fiona when lip & ian got arrested
Honestly Carl was already sociopathic being a lil racist isn't that far for him I mean look at frank
You are so sweet and thoughtful to say that intro. You deserve how long and lucrative career.
What would annoy me was her saying she raised 5 kids. After she became their guardian just completely changed and was anything but a parent. She was threatening to kick everyone out if they didn't have their share of rent. Even Carl who had saved them all, especially Fiona as head of the house, by buying the home so she should actually be paying him back tbh. Where I'm at in the show she barely interacts with Liam, and he seems to prefer hanging out with Frank over her.
4:05 Emmy Rossum was only 24-25 when season 1 was filmed and aired lol I think people forget how young the actress was irl cuz she has a more mature look. It's pretty close in age casting, as usually there's a larger gap with character age vs actor age
I think Fiona is a really representation of borderline personality disorder. Like possibly one of the best portrayal of bpd on television.
She’s just trying her hardest to get a one up and not have to struggle every corner she turns. There was stuff she did that bothered me but ultimately she’s just so unsure of who she really is because she’s had to be a caregiver and a sister and a friend and a worker her whole life. That’s a lot to juggle. Props to the writers for creating such a complex character.
I agree
I really only watch that video because i love your channel. But as a first immigrant daughter i related so much. Really they're is nothing anybody can say that could make hate her. She is me.
I loved Fiona right until she cheated on Mike with his own brother. She had it good with Mike. And then kept going back to Robbie’s. That’s when her downfall started.
Right! And what she did to Gus too.
Fiona liked Jimmy because he was chaos, that's all she's ever known. That's why it "worked ".
There's one episode where Fiona admits her life is fucked up. She tells ,*lip?, something along the lines of " my life is fucked up because I go from relationship to relationship .
I'm the oldest of 10! So the Yeats do take a toll on you. My parents were/are present, but my mom started with mental health problems about 13 years ago. I've always helped my siblings. Whenever one my siblings acted out in school my mom would call me to sort things out. I also get why maybe Fiona spiraling down. Her siblings don't need her like they used to. She only knows two things chaos and helping her family.
I honestly could not stand Fiona. She acted like she was so much better than everyone else and liked to throw in their face all the time how much she did for them but wouldn't acknowledge how much the other siblings contributed to eachother and their household. Debbie was taking Liam to school everyday and running a daycare in freaking elementary school! Yes she had it hard but they all did and they never stopped having eachothers backs. Can't get behind her leaving and missing Ian's wedding and Lips son's birth. They were all eachother had their entire lives so for her to leave is so foul to me. Once she decided to "put herself first" she became so hearless. How are you gonna charge your struggling sister for food at a party that was already sitting out on the damn counter??? Like really....
well they were ungrateful a good percentage of the time
@@YRTTSSFS so was she lol did she ever acknowledge her other siblings and how much they contributed or did she always act like she did everything herself?
@@bbell2172 oh she definitely did act that way i’m not saying she didn’t, fiona’s the kind of character that isn’t (originally) asked to do something, does it, then gets upset when no one realizes what she went through to do said thing. everyone’s flawed on the show i just added that piece to the situation
Just watched this a month after it was posted, and I want more on Shameless! I came for the GG content but you have a great channel.
Thank you!
I stopped watching the show, years ago because I was just really over how no one really learned. No one really grew in a good way. I mean, from what I remember and my memories on the show are hazy at best (I only really remember season 1 and god, what was the foster kids name, Esther? And she had a baby. I remember that) I was always annoyed at Fiona for, I guess making it worse it always seemed like. It kind of falls into the sitcom issue, which is one of the reasons I don't really like sitcoms anymore, is the lack of character development and a reset to the norm either every episode or at the beginning of every season. Now, I am an only child, I have never had to care for all of my kids while my parents fucked off while one of them dangled their affection in front of me, but she could never admit she was wrong and I cannot stand that. Especially with the cocaine. In that sense, it reminds me too much of my own mom with her alcoholism and its just like, no thank you. Funnily enough, my mom is the reason I started watching the show, because after the end of Sex in the City, we needed another age inappropriate show to watch together. LOL
YES EXACTLY. For me (from what I can remember bc I haven’t sat and watched the whole thing in like a year) I also felt like I never saw growth from her character. It’s like they’d give us small glimpses but never anything permanent, except for when she left. I forgot about Esther! This show had sooo many moments it got hard to keep track
it got so tiring seeing the worst possible things happen to these characters. it got to the point where it seemed like there was no meaning behind their pain or misfortune. i watched until season 8 (i think) and stopped after that. it was one thing after another and i think the writers were grabbing at straws trying to keep the show going.
my favorite thing about shameless is how (most) the characters are so nuanced! They have good aspects, they have bad aspects. They fail, they make mistakes, they're loving, theyre hateful. They grow and regress and grow again. They can be the hero of one season and the villian of the next. I wish more shows would take those chances with their characters.
You should do Debbie Gallagher
I loved Fiona, she was my favorite character, then the way her character shifted after the season she left her I'll just say "stuff" out and Liam got into it.
Lip despite his self-destructive and addiction issues he quickly became my favorite character (of the family, V was my absolute favorite). He screwed up all the time also but I trusted his intentions more.
Her selling out her neighborhood later on, becoming a gentrifier herself just was another nail in the coffin for me.
She was never my least favorite though, by the end of the series Debbie was that. But like every character was fucked up.. Carl's appropriation, Ian's biphobia and transphobia (he kind of got over it but still). Everything about Frank and Monica.
As much as I love Fiona, I *100%* agree that the booger sugar storyline was her fault.
Especially since she knew there were young kids in the house.
Also, I haven’t watched Shameless properly but I agree that weird Carl storyline is a no from me
You should do a video on Rachel Berry from Glee.
Fiona was her own worst enemy 🤷🏽♂️
your theme song has been so stuck in my head
Just started watching Shameless, I'm currently on season 6. Seasons 1-5 I absolutely hated Frank but now I absolutely can't stand Fiona. She meets really good guys and screws them over. I also hate that she constantly forgives Frank, plus there was the whole Liam incident ugh 😩. Really can't believe she did Gus like that, I hate her.
OK W WHITE BOY CARL OHH MY GOD DUDE THAT WAS SO BAD but fiona’s smile to me was uncomfortable like “ what the fuck “.
& i hate debbie no matter what. I’m sorry she just tried to be the “ new Fiona “ and it didn’t let Debbie shine for who she was which ruined her character so much
So excited to see you doing shameless even though this is old. I love shameless and Gilmore girls.
I understand why lots of people dislike her and their reasons are very valid but as someone who grew up with one narcissistic parent, one alcoholic parent and similar to her as the oldest having to take care 6 younger siblings I understand why she does what she does. Fiona is a perfect example of how hard it is to pick up the mess that was left to you by unfair circumstances. I honestly think Fiona is a character that is taken for granted and she should be giving more credit for being the character that she is. She may be hypocritical in certain scene but she atlases takes accountability for what she has done and tries to correct those mistakes and tries to be a better example for those kids.
The Fiona-Gus arc pissed me off so much but not because they got married so fast. I absolutely hated how she got married to Gus and practically MOVED OUT even though Debbie, Carl and Liam were still living there. No one was paying the bills, no one was doing grocery shopping, no one even knew she got married until it was almost over. She missed a lot of the signs from Ian and passed child bearing responsibility onto Lip and Sammi leading to a lot of resentment. She missed a lot during these long absences and was constantly playing catch-up with her siblings. This basically killed any relationship she had left with her youngest siblings after the cocaine thing.
I can't even be mad at her, she was forced to drop out of school at 16 and take care of 5 kids. Her relationships were usually the most normal part of her life so it isn't shocking she would constantly go from guy to guy in search of that comfort. Her marriage to Gus was a last resort effort for something stable, in her mind if she got married he couldn't leave like how Jimmy left her. I can't blame Fiona for putting herself first, I was rooting for her through the whole series but her downward spiral was painful to watch. It brought a realism to the show, I wouldn't be able to handle the pressure either.
I haven't finished the video yet, I just feel like Fiona had so many chances to change. She cheated on like every guy she was with (except Jimmy), and she just made some really awful choices. Not that people don't make mistakes, but she just does it again and again and again. It was very unfair that she was forced to take care of all her siblings at such a young age, but she went to that court hearing and said she takes responsibility for all the kids and the judge even tried to kind of talk her out of it. But she said no, I take responsibility for them. And then she basically just chooses boyfriends over the kids
Not defending the character but I'm from Brockton Massachusetts there are many white boy Carl's here I kind of just got desensitized to it over time
I honestly think she could've left Liam at Sheila's while sniffing the you-know-what.
I think just a “i watched girlmore girls so you don’t have to (season 1)” situation would be fun
I really don’t undstand why people hate Lip for treating Fiona the way after the incident. He was in college and was struggling after evb in his family is telling him that he’s setting the curb for evb else in the family. his little brother could’ve died because of his guardian. I’m honestly shocked they did t take away her guardianship because if this was really life, she would’ve lost it. She really didn’t recover after Mike. She kept on going back to his brother to say they were done when all she couldve done was ignore him. She was very self destructive especially after Jimmy Steve left. It’s crazy how she wanted nb to cheat on her but she cheated on literally all her boyfriends. Just reminds me how everyone is flawed in this show. Love her tho 😭
I don’t understand people that can hate Fiona, she’s great characterisation and ultimately a pretty strong character. People that expect her to be emotionally well rounded and aware of her traumas, despite the environment and state she was shown to exist in…just don’t even make sense to me. That’s what I like about shameless - it’s wild, but the character responses are very understandable, they didn’t create a Mary sue.
3:06 to skip nonsense
Watching for the first time and I agree with you 100%!! She got guardianship and then left them to fend for themselves!! She wanted them to have a better life than she had and left them every night to be with her man at the time. Ugh
I liked Fiona up until Debbie got pregnant. I know she told her not to have the baby but she had her and she was still very young she needed help. It was like when Fiona agreed to be the guardian of her siblings the judge warned her what a long commitment it was going to be and I think she only did it to keep them out of foster care. I know she loved them but I don't think she fully understood the commitment. Frank actually said something to the baby fathers family when the dad said my son never wanted her to have that baby true but like Frank said she had her anyways and the baby needs things she costs money. She had the baby and she needed help. Like Frank and Monica had a bunch of kids too that Fiona had to raise. When she had the family meeting and made everyone pay Carl and Debbie was still under 18. I stated to really dislike Fiona in season 7 and was glad to see her leave in season 9.
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Hmmm that actually sounds interesting
loved the video, keep it up im watching :]
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Thank you!
I really like Fiona a lot she’s a really like character
lmao booger sugar
Why’d you even put in that scene with Carl in it? It doesn’t matter
The intro🥺
Fiona felt entitled. Extra unpopular opinion: I understand wanting a life for herself but she should've just left town the first time. We and the characters knew if they stay there the cycle repeats itself. The first time she left to do the whole diner and laundromat storyline it felt like she abandoned the kids completely and wanted nothing to do with them.
You had me as a subscriber when you said you a cancer! Go off sis❤♋️
The coke scene was so inaccurate. Nobody who actually does coke just leaves lines laying around. You do any coke that is out. The rest is still in the bag. Nobody just set a bunch of lines out and then goes back and randomly does them throughout the night.
I usually skip the episode that Carl comes back from prison/jail/juvie because it just makes it uncomfy to watch
YES
I love Fiona but I still hold her accountable.
Honestly, I stopped watching after Fiona was gone. I feel like Fiona was kind of reverting backwards when she got messy. I feel like she was doing things that a teenager would do, but as an adult. I think maybe she was trying to have experiences that a lot of teenagers do with being sexually reckless, not making great decisions and dabbling in drugs. But as an adult, it had a really messy look. I felt bad for her for a lot of things that happened.
I genuinely did like her but my biggest issue with fiona is that she causes her own problems and then cries about and blames everybody else And then continues to make her own problems
I never thought someone’s character development Over the seasons that would ultimately make me hate the character
Also I didn’t watch Gilmore girls buuut idk I feel like maybe you could call it the golden years, a series
I loved Fiona for the first few seasons, then she just turned into the worst person out of everyone. I Couldn't stand how she treated everyone.
I don’t like her because she is always lecturing other people and telling them they need to get their shit together. Yet, she was the biggest fuck up of all of them, and constantly played the victim.
Never hated Fiona, it cannot stand Debbie. Although the actress that played Fiona is s selfish person to leave with only 2 seasons left
I loved FIona and I agree
I just watched a few seasons and I can understand Fiona but deb is most hated
New sub but Gilmore gist is cute for a series recap
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Can you do a video on why Liam Gallagher is the most underrated?
for the gilmore year in the life! just do something click bating
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😭 what’s good twinnn how are we doing
Dont know why exactly but since season 5 or 6 i am disliking her more and since season 9 I cannot stand her laugh , dancing and arrogant person.
I liked this video before I even started watching it because Fiona annoyed me sooooooo much lol
The coke scene was so inaccurate. Nobody who actually does coke just leaves lines laying around. You do any coke that is out. The rest is still in the bag. Nobody just set a bunch of lines out and then goes back and randomly does them throughout the night.