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Snapdragon laptops are price gouging for a non X86-64 cpu and we all know it. When you can buy a Lenovo for $700-1200 with better specs and an AMD, well SD can byteMe!
Should have focused on getting dev kits into developers hands.
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@@brooklyn560 Exactly! Apple showed that dev kits first are the way, yet they didn't copy them. (I know that there's a dev kit, but I heard there are issues with it, and its based on an older architecture)
@@brooklyn560 exactly. Shows how even big corps can screw up basic stuff. Software support for Windows on Arm is very much needed. Apple had the luxury to ditch x86 completely, forcing all mac developers to shift to Apple silicon... Microsoft doesn't have this luxury and yet didn't release snapdragon X dev kits way earlier
They aren't expensive when compared to top line x86 processors just they target the ultra niche without the apple branding. Also people that spend that much want reliable systems not first gen product. Remember you own mac for apple software but own pc despite Microsoft software.
They're high end laptops. They are generally expensive, but they're reasonably priced for their class. I definitely think people aren't buying them because, like you said, to most people it's just expensive. They plan to launch some more affordable chips soon. Hopefully those will sell better. Also what I'm holding out for since I don't really need a laptop.
The ARM PCs are way overpriced. I wanted one, until I saw the price. Now with the new Intel chips that are both very fast and super efficient, why bother? It's a lot less hassle to just stay with x86.
If Lunar Lake lives up to expectations (it is Intel, so a handful of salt is needed) i'd buy a Dell XPS 13 with Intel over Qualcomm any day. With some x86 programmes not even able to run via emulation, i'm not living with that.
I wouldn't touch Intel chips/laptops with a ten foot pole till they repair their reputation and prove their new chips aren't going to destroy themselves. Plus AMD chips/laptops are better performance with less power anyway - its just a shame they aren't in more laptops.
The problem is that we were promised laptops which are just as good as basic laptops and be dirt cheap, instead they went to compete with Macbooks when at that price point you want everything to work perfectly.
I respectfully disagree. I have a snapdragon X elite surface pro and yes, it is a little buggy, but I do love the damn thing, all the battery life. It’s probably been the best windows experience I’ve ever had out of the box.
@@leon2343lunar lake's battery life is just as good as snapdragon and newer ryzen chips are also only slightly worse than snapdragon in battery life and both lunar lake and ryzen have better igpu and app comparability
@@leon2343 I'm really disappointed with the Surface Pro. Microsoft should have focused on creating a fanless and lightweight tablet instead of trying to compete with Apple. They should have taken the Surface Pro X and just added more processing power. That would have been the perfect tablet.
Demand and supply is the reason they aren't cheap. In some countries AMD laptops are much expensive just because demand for intel laptops is much high.
I agree it should be $1500 including the keyboard, half the price it is now plus a free subscription to ChatGPT plus for like a year, if they did it that way, I think they moved more units
@@KhizarKhan2001 I have a 7530U Ryzen. Excellent performance for the price, around Apple M2 on Passmark for a third of the price. Battery is good, but 10 hours on it is a mere dream. Additional problem of X86 is the sleep state battery, ARM seems to be better at it.
Who could have guessed, there is no demand for “AI” pcs, add to that very high prices, low software compatibility. I am not surprised these are flopping
If you want an AI pc, you can get an AMD AI chip or Intel Lunar Lake and have much better compatibility. Plus Snapdragon's graphics weren't very powerful.
@@mattbosley3531 not only is the graphics not very strong, you can also probably run more games (and run them much better) on apple m1/2/3/4 cpu’es with game porting toolkit Im not saying snapdragon is bad by any means. I just dont understand their place in the market. Windows on arm is not a fancy high-end experience people are willing to pay extra for lol
Well, since intel’s and AMDs new chips were released with similar power consumption to performance to the Snapdragon, just without all the comparability issues. I’m not surprised. There’s also an issue where the snapdragon laptops in other countries are being sold 70-100% more than in the States. They’re more expensive than AMD and intel laptops.
The fact that Snapdragon dev kits have not yet shipped to developers is testament to the fact that even Qualcomm is not taking this matter seriously. I'm not going to buy a laptop if I can't run Linux on it.
@@cryptocsguy9282or any other laptop, and just install the distro you want? Btw, I think there are some dell laptops with Linux. Or some other big brand. But let's be honest, it doesn't matter, as everything will run Linux.
Who in his right mind would buy Snapdragon laptop when you can buy new AMD or, soon, Intel laptop that offers the same battery life without all the drawbacks.
The igpu sucks on the X Elite compared 890m, and the soon to release Arc 140v battlemage igpu on the 200 series intel chips. Both are twice as fast as the dumb Adreno
@@arzsupraApps list on their download page which architecture they support. And outside of open-source software, the list of apps that support Windows on ARM is... short.
Nah, its the pricing if the price was right and app comparability was a bit better then these laptops would sell better despite the ai focused advertisement
All these companies are jerking each other off about AI shit so badly that they don't realize that the consumer doesn't want anything to do with it. More and more companies will figure this out as AI-focused products continue to fail.
Snapdragon should have come to disrupt, but it came to be one more entry in the cpu war, and it is just average on that... and yet they are questioning why this is selling poorly? If you want to disrupt something you need to bring something much better than what we have OR get agressive with pricing... The prices for snapdragons computers are a joke, I was going to be a day one buyer but it is like they are not even trying to enter the market.
@@uzzybuzzy-t5h I as a user don´t care if it is cheaper to the OEMs, it is no cheaper for me... it is actually more irritating that they are not passing the value to us, that is a perfect and undeniable way to get more people through the door. I am not going to defend a freaking megacorporation that wants my money the same way as any other. Why would I give them my money if there is no difference/benefit over picking a new intel/amd? the new amds are almost on par with snapdragon on power consumption, yet have better performance in cpu and graphics. I have been postponing buying a laptop since september last year because I saw the launch article on qualcomm's website. Time came and went and now I see that waiting for the newest amd is the best bang for buck and performance as well, I can get. They lost a lot by not taking the launch more seriously towards the end user.
Telemetry, forced online user account, app store, built in adds, automated updates and now Recall that you can't uninstall - all this a part of Windows and they wonder why people don't buy Snapdragon laptops?
Everyone does telemetry, people don't complain about app stores on their phones where you are forced to use them. Automatic updates keep your device safe, why have a problem with that? Recall is optional and still not released. And everything you mention is part of Windows, not the Snapdragon platform.
App store is fine, online accounts are not forced. Telemetry is part of every device you use, even more if using Android. Why is this fine on your phone and not your laptop? Or, maybe "fine" is a bad word, but how is it acceptable on phone but not laptop?
Forcing a return to the office is a surefire way for companies to lose top talent to competitors that offer remote work flexibility. In today’s job market, many professionals prioritize work-life balance and autonomy, so companies that fail to adapt risk losing employees to organizations that have embraced remote work as a long-term model.
@@brooklyn560 True, and without the bad press. However, everyone reporting should report it the way it is: Companies not being in a good position, thus trying to do layoffs. I still think it's a horrible idea though, because companies that do this will lose everyone who can find something else, something better. Which is the top talent. Those who just aren't good enough will remain.
not really. i have a lenovo with oled. 32 gb ram. 1 tb storage. 90 hz panel. touch. very high res. for those specs you wouldnt get a cheaper x86. and also no x86 pcs has this performance unplugged.
Too expensive and shit software support are the biggest reason. Also I'm avoiding newer Windows versions because they are ramping up the spyware and bloatware on it.
@notanetcher Good, then be specific and say "Linux sucks for HP Stream", don't generalize for everything, that's not the experience on every device, nor for every Linux user.
Pricing ARM PCs at a premium while some users will need to make compromises with their software is a mistake. They need to move the chips down-market and establish a marketshare before demanding a premium.
The mistake Qualcomm made is that they relied on MS instead of invest into the Linux support on their Qualcomm chip. Windows suxx on ARM, while Linux is much more ARM adopted.
At less than 5% of total market sharing in personal computers, including handheld. Why would they go with Linux even if it is a perfect OS for the job? (Saying this as someone who has used Linux for 20 yrs )
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@@iokwong1871 5% is still a lot of people and they're probably more open to try new things.
The Nintendo vs Palworld lawsuit has absolutely nothing to do with "being an obvious unlicensed Pokemon knockoff", Nintendo is suing for patent infringement on several undisclosed software patents.
We have so many underpowered laptops with great battery life, and high end laptops users that want a great ARM based CPU would had bought a MacBook years ago. Leaving that segment of users that want a powerful windows PC that don't want to do any gaming is gonna be a tough ask. Maybe if they're half the price. Companies just thought that an ARM CPU means that they're now on the league of the M1 MacBook. Somehow everybody else who actually uses a PC know it's so much more than that.
Not to mention Lunar Lake can do better.... (Well assume Intel didn't screw up like they did 2-3 Gen ago, which shouldn't because it is really TSMC made, but who knows.)
Off, I can print just fine from my laptop, my USB microphone worked without issue, as did my USB storage devices. My USB capture card was recognized without issue as well. Plugging a monitor into the USB-C port brings an image to the screen. Mouse and keyboard plugged in and worked without hesitation, ... want me to try anything else I might have lying around?
Issue with my Samsung 4 Edge was the lack of working drivers. Couldn't get my printers to play ball and some of my other devices wouldn't work at all. Shame because it was a nice bit of kit. Back to my Zenbook with Ultra 9.
It doesn't matter. The average consumer will look at a snapdragon laptop and think, okay, 1500$ for an 8 core 8GB laptop? No. Those who do get suckered into it, will have driver issues.
@@bassheadlife492 Which printer do you have? I can use the standard windows driver but as a photographer I need full access to my printer. I can't use that driver to create custom paper sizes. My Epson wouldn't even work with the Windows Driver.
Big Tech moving away from remote for internal staff isn't entirely surprising. Apple has been adamant about its RTO policies basically once lockdowns ended. As a company, you need to have some form of pulling power to make people seriously consider going to the office and some random consultancy or SME just doesn't have that. Remote work is a benefit some companies have to offer just to stay competitive.
I wouldn't want to work for Apple if they demand I come to office. And that's with their pretty damn amazing space ship. No company is attractive enough. I'll come to the office when it's nearby and I don't have to move. Or once in a while if the company pays for accomodation and travel expenses. And I'm someone who actually enjoys interacting with my colleagues. But I have been commuting long enough and I just can't be bothered anymore.
@@kadajawi2 I'm in the same boat. I declined some big name offers because the best they could do was some shaky hybrid model. Either you trust someone to do their job or you should reconsider your hiring practices.
About the blood pressure monitoring... if you have a insistent problem with high or low blood pressure that clock is amazing. they call the high pressure "silent killer" because it have almost no symptons until something serious happen. Monitoring it is actual useful. You can notice that your medicine is not working anymore and you are slightly above the ideal value or that you have a dangerously high blood pressure and take the meds to put it down before you have a life altering problem.
He said why would you want continuous monitoring. Continuous monitoring is useful if you want to keep track of spikes or don't like taking the time to measure it.
EXACTLY! He is very ignorant to say that...its n amazing product for people with problems. The best gift one can get for elder parents really! No joking!
24H blood pressure measurement is actually extremely useful. It's the gold standard for diagnosis of hypertension, provided that the readings are accurate. It can help differentiate true hypertension from white coat hypertension or concealed hypertension. Really cool stuff by Huawei.
@@havencat9337 but the west does have knowledge of hypertension? I know people with it, and they can manage their symptoms. In fairness to Huawei, this would be helpful to those with it, but let's not act like the west is clueless to it.
True, all their clams was also true, they made a chip what can beat the M1, but nobody thinked at that time it will only release after the M4 (so they need 4 years for that), when the M1 performance is basically almost forgotten. (And still this extended time wasn't enoigh to make a huge compatibility ARM apps, i mean the 3rd party apps, because Apple also stopped to support the x86 when the M1 released, so any developers who planed to remain the store had no reason to not update to ARM. But Windows only splited into 2 parts, and still the x86 is the 95% market share, no developer will ignore the 95% of the users to make app for just the 5%.. 20x more reacheable users are also 20x more potential profit.. so almost nobody will update their app to ARM..)
Even if Snapdragon and Microsoft had a response day 1, it would still flounder. Microsoft built an empire out of backwards compatibility and legacy software such that moving to ARM completely would flat out be impossible. Someone in this comment section was complaining about not being able to print with WoA, and the truth is that Windows has NOT prepared itself with a generic printer model that CUPS (macOS, Linux, etc) provides.
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Or at least launch it a Computex, and not months later when the competitors also launch/announce their new offerings.
@@xrafterThe Linux platform on ARM is more ready than Windows, desktop and server, all Linux needs to work on ARM is the device tree of each device and maybe some drivers, which Qualcomm said they are working on them for Linux in an official article.
@notanetcher Then be specific and say "Linux sucks for HP Stream" instead, don't generalize for everything, that's not the experience on every device, nor for every Linux user.
because they started on the high end first, the moment average people see the price most would rather buy a macbook, while those who prefer windows would think its not worth the possible compatibility issues with their work apps. if only they started as the cheaper alternative to the macbook air it would be a different story.
The Snapdragon fiasco is on Microsoft. They advertised the chips as some revolution on AI, while most of the costumers use AI to write emails. The other benefits like single core performance and battery were totally ignored. Plus, they were put into expensive machines to compete with MacBooks. We were told they will be cheap. A 499$ windows machine with 15 hours of battery, that was a chromebook killer and a king of mid-range. Bad move.
Strixpoint and Lunar Lake pretty much rugpulled and choked any momentum that Qualcomm had. Those over the top prices for an ARM based machine didn’t do it any favors either.
Yeah. Most people are ok with wait and see. Why buy a laptop now that has good battery life and performance but horrible compatibility, when in half a year there will probably be laptops that have the same advantages, but none of the disadvantages. The only way for that to make sense for some buyers is if the ARM laptops were priced so attractive that there's a 1-2 year lead. i.e. if someone wants to buy a premium laptop with all those attributes you'd have to wait for the device to be launched at 1.6k, then wait another year for the price to go down to 0.8k.
I'm not surprised companies don't want laptops that mostly work unless their workflow is already browser based and if that's the case they're likely buying chromebooks. As the resident tech expert in my family I wouldn't recommend one, unless the person wanting a laptop wants to do basic stuff. Intel and AMD battery consumption improvements are quickly taking away the one clear advantage arm laptops have.
continuous blood pressure monitoring is the most accurate way. It is quite possible to sit down measure your pressure and be fine. When in reality the rest of the day your blood pressure might be at emergency levels. This is for people with very high blood pressure.
yea, its best thing for people with problems...I have the older version and will def get the new D2. The benefits are enormous for people with problems!
I mean they haven't even really beaten x86 lol. AMD and Intel are now in an anime battle for the crown lol. Snapdragon came out swinging hard but amd beat snapdragon, and Intel is saying it beat amd too lol. The only factor now is nvidia.
It's just too expensive Sometimes you just can't chip in that 100$ extra for it. Snapdragon laptop costs an arms and legs in my country because of tech tax
No kidding, insanely expensive laptops with most programs running slow in emulated mode or not running at all. Barely enough power to keep up with a similar or even low priced laptops powered by x86. These things were bound to flop. And that's a good thing, Qualcomm demands premium on mobiles as they are a near monopoly in the premium Android segment. But over here in the PC land, Qualcomm is a new player. With barely any support they needed to price themselves very aggressively. But they chose to demand a premium. While their x86 competitors made significant battery life improvements to keep ARM powered PCs at bay. I hope Mediatek and Nvidia do a good job.
Thge downside with snapdragon is that it is a laptop only platform. Keep in mind that Apple released the M1 on tablets, desktops, and laptops. so the marketing needs to hit multiple markets. I would love to see an arm based desktop for replacement, even if it is just a thin client PC platform
It didn’t help them that they introduced the snapdragon chips in laptops twice as expensive as Apples M1 launch units They needed to be very cheap to build market share and confidence in the product
It offers nothing. Arm in expensive laptops is DOA. ARM belongs in small mobile devices, and would work in cheap laptops, but because it costs so much, it’s aimed at the wrong market.
Even if they are well built, the risk of software you care about not running on snapdragon laptops them is a pretty major downside, so they would need some hefty price reductions for them to feel equivalent to a high end x86 laptop
Basically Windows doesn't force developers to develop for ARM unlike Apple, and whatever translation layer Windows uses for running Intel apps on ARM sucks compared to Rosetta 2; and all of which results in poor software availability and lackluster software performance if things even run. Considering the price of the ARM laptops, why would anyone buy an ARM laptop instead of an Intel one at this point? It doesn't really make sense in my opinion. Windows as a whole is one of the worst operating systems in the market and you're basically losing its only selling point with ARM, which is software availability.
Never mind forcing, they don't even encourage Windows developers to support ARM. You still can't actually buy a dev kit (and they should be GIVING them to developers, not making them pay hundreds for them!). You can't download the OS to install on your own hardware. There's no virtual machine available for testing ARM builds. As a dev, my only options to be able to test ARM builds is to buy a really old Windows ARM PC (which won't have the new X Elite chips and won't have all new features enabled in the OS, when I may need to test against them) or pay a ridiculous amount for a high-end X Elite laptop I don't actually want, just to support Qualcomm and Microsoft's latest doomed cargo-cult attempt to copy Apple while not understanding what makes Apple succeed, or at least being too useless to do more than a half-hearted job at copying Apple.
@@gemstone7818 No what I mean was, with the launch of Snapdragon Chipset and Windows on ARM, Microsoft has the opportunity to really optimize Windows OS, but it instead brought Copilot+ which was basically a spyware. I saw the reviews and most people on the comment section only talked about Copilot+ and how it was a privacy nightmare
The upcoming Lunar Lake laptops will just kill any ARM competition. I dont see the point of ARM in laptops anymore since x86 itself can be similarly power efficient
My sister got a snapdragon surface tablet and wanted to try painting on it. I tried every setting change I could, but Krita still ran too laggy to be usable. Reminded me of those old Celeron laptops.
The problem with the X Elite CPUs is not performance but the promise of AI. people just don't give a toss about image generation and blurry background images.
Here in Aus they are $2k and lots of the real world reviews are saying they are little buggy and aren't much better than any other laptop half the price
How much battery you get from your surface? Most reviews said it's only 5hr for normal tasks with 100% brightness and performance mode. The best one someone got was around 9hr with 50% brightness and recommended mode.
@@xali2008 I get all day battery life but I do not have my brightness that high, it's an oled and I'm a little bit scared of burning so I'm not going to risk it. but this thing sips power😌
The main reason the X Elite failed was a depressingly bad GPU that is destroyed by all rivals. When you are paying $1200-1500 you expect much better. The good part is that people that did not return their X Elite before the 30 days are selling them around half-price on eBay auctions. So if you like a Chromebook user experience they are good value if you grab a secondhand one at the right price. I got the HP Omnibook 16GB/512GB for £600, under half the launch price. Great for my use case as I live in the browser and one great thing about the X Elite is that they are super slick browser machines.
And funnily enough, Linux ARM platform is much better than Windows in desktop and server, but Linux suffers from the existence of some specific apps from like Adobe, Microsoft Office, ...
Suspect it is because the robots are more expensive that drivers due to costly tech and maintenance, cleaning and other operating costs. Thus showing that Uber is not viable even with AVs.
Weird, my Surface Laptop 7 delivery date (Microsoft Store) has been delayed by over a month to the end of October! I assumed it's because demand was high..
I had a Surface Laptop 7 13.8 inch for a day. Bought for a friend. It is a beautiful machine! The touchpad great! Build quality is great also! Great machine!
As an IT technician, fuck ARM laptops. Sick of not having proper printer drivers for that shit just because someone was issued an ARM laptop rather than something more sensible...
I went on my first trip with the T14s Snapdragon. Absolute game changer. I love the battery life on this thing. I can leave the charger at the hotel and come back with still plenty of juice. Reminds me of my M1 Pro MacBook.
It's simply really. If you check out Alex Ziskind video on the dev kits debacle, you know it has a bad rep and first impressions should matter with this first gen product. The software ecosystem is poor, and that is honestly what matters. I'm indifferent about the Snapdragon X, I think it's fine and has great battery life, but software shouldn't be treated as a second class citizen. This said, if Microsoft is really serious about WoA, they should invest long term in software, and I'm sure these 1st gen SD X will age like wine, and will be better when 2nd gen comes out. But for now, I'm eyeing on Intel's Lunar Lake. It just seems better in every way.
Well there's a lot of problems here. While the laptops are well built and compelling on the outside... They are simply not comparable with enough for it to be the go to option. Right now SDX has this problem, Intel has 256v and 288v, which are unlike their desktop counterparts absolutely amazing. AMD has they Ryzen AI laptops that are also amazing. You don't want windows BS? Then you can buy a M3/M4 Macbook and have access to a much better ARM ecosystem. SDX is just not a compelling choice. Intel offers x86 and windows with equal power efficiency. Mac offers a better ARM ecosystem. AMD offers better CPU/IGP power.
I have my home x86 workstation that can do everything I need it to do including gaming. I don't really need a laptop that powerful so I just have a $500 thinkpad that I upgraded a bit. I really don't see a reason to drop 1300 dollaroos on a laptop when one that costs half as much will suit my needs. I especially am not going to be dropping that much to be a 1st gen tester.
The thing is that in apple it was an upgrade. In windows laptops Intel and Ryzen and not that far in battery life from snapdragon chips. Also the support is fragmented, in apple for companies is update your app or die, here if you don't update your app you will be fine for a while.
Snapdragon are targeting the wrong people, the 3 main people who buy expensive laptops are professionals, gaming and trend followers. and those people will either buy a mac or need x86_64 chips to run needed software. which Snapdragon doesn't have proper support yet.
The main issue is the app compatibility. Once it stables and it has official support on Linux. I'm planning to replace my mac m1 with an x-elite linux laptop
The main issue is compatibility. The chip is good enough for multitasking and daily use. I use it for programming and I've faced some compatibility issues. But the chip is good.
Blood pressure - reason would be that it changes if you take it yourself, if a doctor or a nurse, or an ambulance driver takes it, time of day and so on. Basically, if you measure it in a big data manner, multiple times a day or all day, you can analyse the data to draw more precise conclusions. This assumes it's able to accurately measure your blood pressure at all. But like managing your muscle vs fat mass, what you really want to know is are you trending up or down over time. A single reading might make you think you've lost weight, when you actually had a nightmare and sweated an extra litre, or you gained it when you just drank more water and aren't as dehydrated. But a consistent, day to day, week to week, increase or decrease is a much better indication of genuine weight loss or gain, hence smart scales are better than normal ones (plus less work to record your weight and no chance you forget the results). However, the data isn't considered all that reliable by doctors yet. Possibly because they're always Luddites and behind the times, and they place to much confidence in ancient and unscientific methods - you can tell when they talk about BMI. They won't understand the concept of big data until scientists have proven it, and beaten them over the head with it for decades to be honest. But they are also not wrong that measuring body fat, blood pressure, heart rate and so on from your wrist, isn't as accurate as other methods (but nor is being asked to stand on a massive scales that looks expensive but you're wearing clothes in the doctor's office so your weight is basically random). Over time, we'll have more data. Which is why Apple and Samsung can now alert emergency services that you've been in a car crash, and how Tesla are able to make small tweaks to their cars that improve crash safety but Ford can't do that because they haven't been gathering data on side impacts.
Sluggish ARM laptop sales? Exactly as I expected. Not cheaper than the x86 counterpart. Not enough native apps and ecosystem yet for ARM Windows. Lots of rough potholes to overcome. Not much compelling experience or advantage to switch from x86 to ARM ecosystem. Not for general consumers, but only for few tech-savvy nerds and enthusiasts.
As a tech enthusiast I know about snapdragon laptops 💻 but does the average consumer? 🤷🏾♂️ I've seen 0 mainstream advertising for it outside of tech TH-cam & does that average consumer care or understand why a difference in CPU architecture is supposed to matter ? 🤔
Realize, when USB introduced, it took about 2 years to become popular. Philips sold several audio peripherals on launch, but they didn't sell. They were way too early.
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I am extremely happy that Windows (PC) on ARM is ganna fail... x86 is best for Windows and PC.. no compatibility problems and better performance
There's an asterisk on the Ground News price at the end of the video, but no explanation to go with it.
It's just very expensive. Be it Microsoft or any other snapdragon powered products.
banning tiktok while copying their idea at the same time, typical western move
Snapdragon laptops are price gouging for a non X86-64 cpu and we all know it. When you can buy a Lenovo for $700-1200 with better specs and an AMD, well SD can byteMe!
snapdragon and microsoft focused more on their AI and copilot stuff instead of things that would ACTUALLY make the laptops useful for consumers
Should have focused on getting dev kits into developers hands.
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Exactly!
Apple showed that dev kits first are the way, yet they didn't copy them. (I know that there's a dev kit, but I heard there are issues with it, and its based on an older architecture)
@@brooklyn560 exactly. Shows how even big corps can screw up basic stuff. Software support for Windows on Arm is very much needed. Apple had the luxury to ditch x86 completely, forcing all mac developers to shift to Apple silicon... Microsoft doesn't have this luxury and yet didn't release snapdragon X dev kits way earlier
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@@commieTerminator instead, they're busy putting copilot buttons on every device imaginable 😂
Snapdragon Laptops are too expensive, which is strange, because we were told they're cheaper to produce.
They aren't expensive when compared to top line x86 processors just they target the ultra niche without the apple branding. Also people that spend that much want reliable systems not first gen product. Remember you own mac for apple software but own pc despite Microsoft software.
@@drowning_waves You better spend extra bucks for the metal casing too, I forgot which company did that... Orange maybe?
They're high end laptops. They are generally expensive, but they're reasonably priced for their class.
I definitely think people aren't buying them because, like you said, to most people it's just expensive. They plan to launch some more affordable chips soon. Hopefully those will sell better. Also what I'm holding out for since I don't really need a laptop.
Here in Germany I went to Media Markt: they are starting from 1200 euro, and if you want little better spec - it is over 2000 euro. Give me a break.
New 8 core machines will be 700-800$.
The ARM PCs are way overpriced. I wanted one, until I saw the price. Now with the new Intel chips that are both very fast and super efficient, why bother? It's a lot less hassle to just stay with x86.
If Lunar Lake lives up to expectations (it is Intel, so a handful of salt is needed) i'd buy a Dell XPS 13 with Intel over Qualcomm any day. With some x86 programmes not even able to run via emulation, i'm not living with that.
Which new Intel chips?
Why xps. Dell is full pf problems.
@@MrSur512 Lunar lake
I wouldn't touch Intel chips/laptops with a ten foot pole till they repair their reputation and prove their new chips aren't going to destroy themselves. Plus AMD chips/laptops are better performance with less power anyway - its just a shame they aren't in more laptops.
The problem is that we were promised laptops which are just as good as basic laptops and be dirt cheap, instead they went to compete with Macbooks when at that price point you want everything to work perfectly.
I respectfully disagree. I have a snapdragon X elite surface pro and yes, it is a little buggy, but I do love the damn thing, all the battery life. It’s probably been the best windows experience I’ve ever had out of the box.
@@leon2343lunar lake's battery life is just as good as snapdragon and newer ryzen chips are also only slightly worse than snapdragon in battery life and both lunar lake and ryzen have better igpu and app comparability
@@leon2343 "a little buggy" for expensive laptops. Many apps still don't work. Sent mine back.
@@leon2343bro people like you are the reason they are able to get away with bs. At that price don't even accept buggy
@@leon2343 I'm really disappointed with the Surface Pro. Microsoft should have focused on creating a fanless and lightweight tablet instead of trying to compete with Apple. They should have taken the Surface Pro X and just added more processing power. That would have been the perfect tablet.
Snapdragon laptops should be cheaper
Absolutely , not only they need to have app compatibility but also need to be cheaper even the lower end snapdragon x plus model
Aren't they also cheaper to produce? I don't get why they have to be so expensive
@@rausbprofit margins
Demand and supply is the reason they aren't cheap. In some countries AMD laptops are much expensive just because demand for intel laptops is much high.
I agree it should be $1500 including the keyboard, half the price it is now plus a free subscription to ChatGPT plus for like a year, if they did it that way, I think they moved more units
I was so hyped about Snapdragon PCs' battery life... And I bought another Ryzen. They're just too expensive.
precisely they should eat up the cost to gain audience especially when they are lacking in ap Compatibility
Newer ryzen chips are only slightly worse than snapdragon in battery life
Better choice.
@@KhizarKhan2001 I have a 7530U Ryzen. Excellent performance for the price, around Apple M2 on Passmark for a third of the price. Battery is good, but 10 hours on it is a mere dream. Additional problem of X86 is the sleep state battery, ARM seems to be better at it.
Yes i went to store to buy a snapdragon laptop and ended up buying a amd rhyzen laptop, the price of these snapdragon laptops is outrageous
Who could have guessed, there is no demand for “AI” pcs, add to that very high prices, low software compatibility. I am not surprised these are flopping
If you want an AI pc, you can get an AMD AI chip or Intel Lunar Lake and have much better compatibility. Plus Snapdragon's graphics weren't very powerful.
@@mattbosley3531 not only is the graphics not very strong, you can also probably run more games (and run them much better) on apple m1/2/3/4 cpu’es with game porting toolkit
Im not saying snapdragon is bad by any means. I just dont understand their place in the market. Windows on arm is not a fancy high-end experience people are willing to pay extra for lol
There is no demand for PC on ARM (because its terrible... just accept it)
Waste of silicon id prefer a cheaper cpu
@@Scudmaster11 that’s not true I own one and it’s the best windows experience I’ve had out of the box
Well, since intel’s and AMDs new chips were released with similar power consumption to performance to the Snapdragon, just without all the comparability issues. I’m not surprised. There’s also an issue where the snapdragon laptops in other countries are being sold 70-100% more than in the States. They’re more expensive than AMD and intel laptops.
The fact that Snapdragon dev kits have not yet shipped to developers is testament to the fact that even Qualcomm is not taking this matter seriously. I'm not going to buy a laptop if I can't run Linux on it.
@juststronny20 want a linux laptop? Buy system76 but their advertising is -10000000/10 😂😂😂😂
@@cryptocsguy9282or any other laptop, and just install the distro you want?
Btw, I think there are some dell laptops with Linux. Or some other big brand.
But let's be honest, it doesn't matter, as everything will run Linux.
Why should they? windows on arm have always sucked, arm in general wasn't ever good for computers until apple came along so no point now
@@kirby21-xz4rx Well, aren't you supposed to release dev kits for your product *before* it enters the market?
Thosw kits are being sold. And linix cab run on snapdragonn
Who in his right mind would buy Snapdragon laptop when you can buy new AMD or, soon, Intel laptop that offers the same battery life without all the drawbacks.
The igpu sucks on the X Elite compared 890m, and the soon to release Arc 140v battlemage igpu on the 200 series intel chips. Both are twice as fast as the dumb Adreno
If you want a tablet with an oled display you don’t have much choice. Surface pros only have snapdragon
@@soberanisfam1323 There is Asus ProArt PX13 with new AMD SoC that has tablet mode (180 degrees screen hinge).
I would of if was small cheap Chromebook competitor that I could just still linux on. ARM are perfect for stuff like this.
Hi, my name is Hans, and I bought a Surface Laptop 7 with Snapdragon X Elite CPU. Pleasure to meet you.
Lack of app compatibility on Windows ARM + those prices... Unfortunate but it makes sense
The compatibility is not too bad depending on your use cases. If you're a dev, wsl2 carries windows arm really hard
Lol ppl bringing up app compatibility all the time even though they probably never touched one....smh
@@arzsupraApps list on their download page which architecture they support. And outside of open-source software, the list of apps that support Windows on ARM is... short.
I think the chips themselves are not that great in comparison to even the M1 but I know Microsoft isn't capable of doing anything right.
if certain unpopular app not compatible, its fine, but google drive not compatible?
Its almost like majorly advertising your chip on the AI trend was a bad idea, or something
Nah, its the pricing if the price was right and app comparability was a bit better then these laptops would sell better despite the ai focused advertisement
All these companies are jerking each other off about AI shit so badly that they don't realize that the consumer doesn't want anything to do with it. More and more companies will figure this out as AI-focused products continue to fail.
Snapdragon should have come to disrupt, but it came to be one more entry in the cpu war, and it is just average on that... and yet they are questioning why this is selling poorly?
If you want to disrupt something you need to bring something much better than what we have OR get agressive with pricing...
The prices for snapdragons computers are a joke, I was going to be a day one buyer but it is like they are not even trying to enter the market.
tbf, snapdragons are cheaper than their intel contemporaries but its just that its a new chip which is why OEMs are charging more for it
@@uzzybuzzy-t5h I as a user don´t care if it is cheaper to the OEMs, it is no cheaper for me... it is actually more irritating that they are not passing the value to us, that is a perfect and undeniable way to get more people through the door. I am not going to defend a freaking megacorporation that wants my money the same way as any other. Why would I give them my money if there is no difference/benefit over picking a new intel/amd? the new amds are almost on par with snapdragon on power consumption, yet have better performance in cpu and graphics. I have been postponing buying a laptop since september last year because I saw the launch article on qualcomm's website. Time came and went and now I see that waiting for the newest amd is the best bang for buck and performance as well, I can get.
They lost a lot by not taking the launch more seriously towards the end user.
Or you know, just be Apple and be able to control the entire platform and every of its transitions.
They didn't offer better price despite being the new guy in town 😂 retarded business strategy
Windows kinda sucking on ARM also doesn't help
Telemetry, forced online user account, app store, built in adds, automated updates and now Recall that you can't uninstall - all this a part of Windows and they wonder why people don't buy Snapdragon laptops?
The account isn’t forced online, though it is a hidden option I give you that.
@@pwhittak88thx for pointing out the obvious. windows are full of telemetries. no, thank you.
Everyone does telemetry, people don't complain about app stores on their phones where you are forced to use them. Automatic updates keep your device safe, why have a problem with that? Recall is optional and still not released. And everything you mention is part of Windows, not the Snapdragon platform.
That’s windows… not the processor
App store is fine, online accounts are not forced. Telemetry is part of every device you use, even more if using Android. Why is this fine on your phone and not your laptop? Or, maybe "fine" is a bad word, but how is it acceptable on phone but not laptop?
If you have old games or software, you have nothing to do with ARM.
Forcing a return to the office is a surefire way for companies to lose top talent to competitors that offer remote work flexibility. In today’s job market, many professionals prioritize work-life balance and autonomy, so companies that fail to adapt risk losing employees to organizations that have embraced remote work as a long-term model.
A fair amount of RTO mandates are just a way to conduct layoffs without paying out severance.
@@brooklyn560 True, and without the bad press. However, everyone reporting should report it the way it is: Companies not being in a good position, thus trying to do layoffs. I still think it's a horrible idea though, because companies that do this will lose everyone who can find something else, something better. Which is the top talent. Those who just aren't good enough will remain.
But hey, at least the next quarter's numbers will please the shareholders and that's all that matters, right?
because its too pricy compared to what others can offer in term of performance
not really. i have a lenovo with oled. 32 gb ram. 1 tb storage. 90 hz panel. touch. very high res. for those specs you wouldnt get a cheaper x86. and also no x86 pcs has this performance unplugged.
@@S1eepers but you can't upgrade ram or ssd or wifi card
and ut can't work without battery
if battery get old the whole pc become laggy
@@Karim-uknwmg702 thats right, except that you can change ssd. You cant do that on a x86 laptop either anymore. Doesnt matter if its arm or x86
@@Karim-uknwmg702 "ant ut can't work without battery" yeah what a surprise u need a battery but i think that applies to all laptops
@@harald4704 what if battery die but you need to use laptop for work and don't have time to buy new one
sorry it still unreliable for many users
Too expensive and shit software support are the biggest reason. Also I'm avoiding newer Windows versions because they are ramping up the spyware and bloatware on it.
Sadly too many sheep, after win10 is dropped, I will move to Linux
Yes, did that after win 7 instead of win 8
@notanetcherTo you, not to us, I use it in my workstation, home server, router, TV,... and it does the job perfectly.
@notanetcher Good, then be specific and say "Linux sucks for HP Stream", don't generalize for everything, that's not the experience on every device, nor for every Linux user.
@notanetcher love it when people give vague answers online to support their point!
Who would’ve thought a laptop costing 30% more and running 30% of the available applications and games wouldn’t sell?
Exactly!
🤣🤣🤣🤣 damn this is a joke right?
30% more compared to what?
@@brooklyn560to x86's 100%
@@luimu I was at Best Buy last week. They aren’t 30% more expensive….
Pricing ARM PCs at a premium while some users will need to make compromises with their software is a mistake. They need to move the chips down-market and establish a marketshare before demanding a premium.
There is so much more. For instance, they have poor graphics. Then, you have no ARM drivers for printers and other devices. Etc.
about windows in ARM, There are no disappointing reviews, only disappointing products.
The mistake Qualcomm made is that they relied on MS instead of invest into the Linux support on their Qualcomm chip. Windows suxx on ARM, while Linux is much more ARM adopted.
The arm ecosystem only tolerates Linux. I don't get it as any of these companies could cage out a market, if the prices aren't stupid
At less than 5% of total market sharing in personal computers, including handheld. Why would they go with Linux even if it is a perfect OS for the job? (Saying this as someone who has used Linux for 20 yrs )
@@iokwong1871
5% is still a lot of people and they're probably more open to try new things.
I would buy a Linux arm laptop. For my work it will be a perfect solution. I work mostly in the browser and terminal.
Because Microsoft put the money to make ARM on laptops a real thing, the linuz foundation is gonna do it? Nah
The Nintendo vs Palworld lawsuit has absolutely nothing to do with "being an obvious unlicensed Pokemon knockoff", Nintendo is suing for patent infringement on several undisclosed software patents.
We have so many underpowered laptops with great battery life, and high end laptops users that want a great ARM based CPU would had bought a MacBook years ago. Leaving that segment of users that want a powerful windows PC that don't want to do any gaming is gonna be a tough ask. Maybe if they're half the price.
Companies just thought that an ARM CPU means that they're now on the league of the M1 MacBook. Somehow everybody else who actually uses a PC know it's so much more than that.
As long as work/corporate laptop is not using snapdragon this will have an uphill battle to get a market share.
No sane person would buy copilot PCs for a corporate environment.
Not to mention Lunar Lake can do better.... (Well assume Intel didn't screw up like they did 2-3 Gen ago, which shouldn't because it is really TSMC made, but who knows.)
Basically any external device that requires a driver does not work. Its insane
Does that include cintiqs and the like?
Off, I can print just fine from my laptop, my USB microphone worked without issue, as did my USB storage devices. My USB capture card was recognized without issue as well. Plugging a monitor into the USB-C port brings an image to the screen. Mouse and keyboard plugged in and worked without hesitation, ... want me to try anything else I might have lying around?
@@Hans-gb4mv That requires drivers. Many external devices don't require drivers
Issue with my Samsung 4 Edge was the lack of working drivers. Couldn't get my printers to play ball and some of my other devices wouldn't work at all. Shame because it was a nice bit of kit.
Back to my Zenbook with Ultra 9.
It doesn't matter. The average consumer will look at a snapdragon laptop and think, okay, 1500$ for an 8 core 8GB laptop? No.
Those who do get suckered into it, will have driver issues.
@@slojanko8GB? In Internet it doesn't cost making things up, does it?
My book 4 edge works with my printer, and haven't had any issue yet
@@slojanko where did you get 8gb from?
@@bassheadlife492 Which printer do you have? I can use the standard windows driver but as a photographer I need full access to my printer. I can't use that driver to create custom paper sizes. My Epson wouldn't even work with the Windows Driver.
People also negative about W11
Big Tech moving away from remote for internal staff isn't entirely surprising. Apple has been adamant about its RTO policies basically once lockdowns ended. As a company, you need to have some form of pulling power to make people seriously consider going to the office and some random consultancy or SME just doesn't have that. Remote work is a benefit some companies have to offer just to stay competitive.
I wouldn't want to work for Apple if they demand I come to office. And that's with their pretty damn amazing space ship. No company is attractive enough. I'll come to the office when it's nearby and I don't have to move. Or once in a while if the company pays for accomodation and travel expenses. And I'm someone who actually enjoys interacting with my colleagues. But I have been commuting long enough and I just can't be bothered anymore.
@@kadajawi2 I'm in the same boat. I declined some big name offers because the best they could do was some shaky hybrid model. Either you trust someone to do their job or you should reconsider your hiring practices.
About the blood pressure monitoring... if you have a insistent problem with high or low blood pressure that clock is amazing. they call the high pressure "silent killer" because it have almost no symptons until something serious happen. Monitoring it is actual useful. You can notice that your medicine is not working anymore and you are slightly above the ideal value or that you have a dangerously high blood pressure and take the meds to put it down before you have a life altering problem.
He said why would you want continuous monitoring. Continuous monitoring is useful if you want to keep track of spikes or don't like taking the time to measure it.
EXACTLY! He is very ignorant to say that...its n amazing product for people with problems. The best gift one can get for elder parents really! No joking!
X Elite laptops competed with Macbook Pros rather than the Air. That's a no no.
But x elite is no match to m3 pro chips, it can only be compared with basic m3. If high end user who don’t care the price, why would choose x elite?
24H blood pressure measurement is actually extremely useful. It's the gold standard for diagnosis of hypertension, provided that the readings are accurate. It can help differentiate true hypertension from white coat hypertension or concealed hypertension. Really cool stuff by Huawei.
best present if you have elder parents...but too bad in the west there so little knowledge about this
@@havencat9337 but the west does have knowledge of hypertension? I know people with it, and they can manage their symptoms. In fairness to Huawei, this would be helpful to those with it, but let's not act like the west is clueless to it.
The competition ate snapdragons lunch. If they had launched those chips a year after the M1 first appeared they would have had a chance.
True, all their clams was also true, they made a chip what can beat the M1, but nobody thinked at that time it will only release after the M4 (so they need 4 years for that), when the M1 performance is basically almost forgotten. (And still this extended time wasn't enoigh to make a huge compatibility ARM apps, i mean the 3rd party apps, because Apple also stopped to support the x86 when the M1 released, so any developers who planed to remain the store had no reason to not update to ARM. But Windows only splited into 2 parts, and still the x86 is the 95% market share, no developer will ignore the 95% of the users to make app for just the 5%.. 20x more reacheable users are also 20x more potential profit.. so almost nobody will update their app to ARM..)
And without a fan. The M1 runs just fine in a tablet too.
Even if Snapdragon and Microsoft had a response day 1, it would still flounder. Microsoft built an empire out of backwards compatibility and legacy software such that moving to ARM completely would flat out be impossible. Someone in this comment section was complaining about not being able to print with WoA, and the truth is that Windows has NOT prepared itself with a generic printer model that CUPS (macOS, Linux, etc) provides.
Or at least launch it a Computex, and not months later when the competitors also launch/announce their new offerings.
I don't want Windows on ARM, I want Linux on ARM.
Still waiting for Qualcomm to finish all drivers for Linux.
What is the hype of linux with those machines? What is wrong with x64?
@@xrafterThe Linux platform on ARM is more ready than Windows, desktop and server, all Linux needs to work on ARM is the device tree of each device and maybe some drivers, which Qualcomm said they are working on them for Linux in an official article.
@notanetcherTo you, not to us, I use it in my workstation, home server, router, TV, ... and it does the job perfectly.
@notanetcher Then be specific and say "Linux sucks for HP Stream" instead, don't generalize for everything, that's not the experience on every device, nor for every Linux user.
@@xrafterI want linux on arm too. sounds like a blast.
because they started on the high end first, the moment average people see the price most would rather buy a macbook, while those who prefer windows would think its not worth the possible compatibility issues with their work apps. if only they started as the cheaper alternative to the macbook air it would be a different story.
The Snapdragon fiasco is on Microsoft.
They advertised the chips as some revolution on AI, while most of the costumers use AI to write emails.
The other benefits like single core performance and battery were totally ignored.
Plus, they were put into expensive machines to compete with MacBooks. We were told they will be cheap.
A 499$ windows machine with 15 hours of battery, that was a chromebook killer and a king of mid-range.
Bad move.
It’s in Qualcomm for not getting dev kits out months before launch. Dec kits are just now starting to roll out
Snapdragon dev kit should have been the first thing launched.
Strixpoint and Lunar Lake pretty much rugpulled and choked any momentum that Qualcomm had. Those over the top prices for an ARM based machine didn’t do it any favors either.
Yeah. Most people are ok with wait and see. Why buy a laptop now that has good battery life and performance but horrible compatibility, when in half a year there will probably be laptops that have the same advantages, but none of the disadvantages. The only way for that to make sense for some buyers is if the ARM laptops were priced so attractive that there's a 1-2 year lead. i.e. if someone wants to buy a premium laptop with all those attributes you'd have to wait for the device to be launched at 1.6k, then wait another year for the price to go down to 0.8k.
I'm not surprised companies don't want laptops that mostly work unless their workflow is already browser based and if that's the case they're likely buying chromebooks.
As the resident tech expert in my family I wouldn't recommend one, unless the person wanting a laptop wants to do basic stuff.
Intel and AMD battery consumption improvements are quickly taking away the one clear advantage arm laptops have.
no wonder ... you can't even run linux ... dunno what they were thinking launching these chips without linux support
@notanetcher Hi Brian.
@notanetcher Bryan Lunduke, Linux Suck.... He has been doing this talk for like 10 + yrs?
Snapdragon ARM chips are not gamer ready too
Snapdragon had ONE chance and it was called Linux compatibility, they fucked that one up so hard it's hard to believe.
@notanetcherStop spamming this. You’ve made your opinion quite clear.
@notanetcher bro just because ur HP Steam is shit doesnt mean Linux sucks
As someone wHo also prefers Linux, Linux ppl tend to overestimate the market share of every day users compared yo windows
continuous blood pressure monitoring is the most accurate way. It is quite possible to sit down measure your pressure and be fine. When in reality the rest of the day your blood pressure might be at emergency levels. This is for people with very high blood pressure.
yea, its best thing for people with problems...I have the older version and will def get the new D2. The benefits are enormous for people with problems!
I’m guessing the problems are around compatibility and price.
Plus no dev kit, plus very poor graphics etc.
incompatibility is huge problem for user, if not all required apps (based on user preference) can run, what's the point buying the device.
Calling exploding pagers and walkie talkie's mind-blowing 😂😂😂😂😂😂... Literally was
I mean they haven't even really beaten x86 lol. AMD and Intel are now in an anime battle for the crown lol. Snapdragon came out swinging hard but amd beat snapdragon, and Intel is saying it beat amd too lol. The only factor now is nvidia.
Intel - my apps work
Snapdragon - my apps don't work
same
Oh look who expected that people would buy something which has a lot of adoption issues, compatability issues, and things didn't work as expected.
They're outrageously expensive. Nobody cares, either because the majority of people just want to keep the lights on; they aren't there for disruption.
It's just too expensive
Sometimes you just can't chip in that 100$ extra for it.
Snapdragon laptop costs an arms and legs in my country because of tech tax
it’s officially friday now, just now🎉
Corporations: pay employees crumbs to barely get by.
Also, corporations: why isn't anyone buying our products. 😂
PEOPLE DON'T HAVE MONEY!!!
The fatal contradiction in capootalism
No kidding, insanely expensive laptops with most programs running slow in emulated mode or not running at all. Barely enough power to keep up with a similar or even low priced laptops powered by x86.
These things were bound to flop. And that's a good thing, Qualcomm demands premium on mobiles as they are a near monopoly in the premium Android segment. But over here in the PC land, Qualcomm is a new player. With barely any support they needed to price themselves very aggressively. But they chose to demand a premium. While their x86 competitors made significant battery life improvements to keep ARM powered PCs at bay.
I hope Mediatek and Nvidia do a good job.
Thge downside with snapdragon is that it is a laptop only platform. Keep in mind that Apple released the M1 on tablets, desktops, and laptops. so the marketing needs to hit multiple markets. I would love to see an arm based desktop for replacement, even if it is just a thin client PC platform
There’s also the issue, that these laptops are sold at a massive markup in other countries… i mean 70-100% more than in the US.
How can buy something that I admire to have and look at but can't afford that's the sad reality of snapdragon laptops
Intel is just busy laughing
LOL. They should, but probably be too busy crying for everything else at the moment.
It didn’t help them that they introduced the snapdragon chips in laptops twice as expensive as Apples M1 launch units
They needed to be very cheap to build market share and confidence in the product
Because they didn't release entry-level, and mid-range chips at the same time with their flagships, that's why it doesn't gain momentum.
If they had any sense they'd sell the Snapdragon chips at cost or even at a loss to get a foothold in the PC market
It offers nothing. Arm in expensive laptops is DOA. ARM belongs in small mobile devices, and would work in cheap laptops, but because it costs so much, it’s aimed at the wrong market.
except all the M series MacBooks, some of the most powerful and expensive laptops in the world, are all ARM.
This makes no sense. Sounds like the rambling of someone who never used an arm laptop
Even if they are well built, the risk of software you care about not running on snapdragon laptops them is a pretty major downside, so they would need some hefty price reductions for them to feel equivalent to a high end x86 laptop
Basically Windows doesn't force developers to develop for ARM unlike Apple, and whatever translation layer Windows uses for running Intel apps on ARM sucks compared to Rosetta 2; and all of which results in poor software availability and lackluster software performance if things even run. Considering the price of the ARM laptops, why would anyone buy an ARM laptop instead of an Intel one at this point? It doesn't really make sense in my opinion. Windows as a whole is one of the worst operating systems in the market and you're basically losing its only selling point with ARM, which is software availability.
Never mind forcing, they don't even encourage Windows developers to support ARM. You still can't actually buy a dev kit (and they should be GIVING them to developers, not making them pay hundreds for them!). You can't download the OS to install on your own hardware. There's no virtual machine available for testing ARM builds. As a dev, my only options to be able to test ARM builds is to buy a really old Windows ARM PC (which won't have the new X Elite chips and won't have all new features enabled in the OS, when I may need to test against them) or pay a ridiculous amount for a high-end X Elite laptop I don't actually want, just to support Qualcomm and Microsoft's latest doomed cargo-cult attempt to copy Apple while not understanding what makes Apple succeed, or at least being too useless to do more than a half-hearted job at copying Apple.
@@LeoDavidsonThey simply can't, all the profession software are deeply dependent on x86. That's why Mac ,as good as it is, has a very limited market.
I guess the the reason why Snapdragon X series failed is coz of the negativity of Copilot+
Nope it's because compatibility is very limited. The same reason why linux os isn't used by many ppl because of app compatibility
most consumers where indifferent to copilot since it didn't do much so i really doubt that was one of the main reasons for it
@@gemstone7818 No what I mean was, with the launch of Snapdragon Chipset and Windows on ARM, Microsoft has the opportunity to really optimize Windows OS, but it instead brought Copilot+ which was basically a spyware. I saw the reviews and most people on the comment section only talked about Copilot+ and how it was a privacy nightmare
No they are as costly as MacBook.
Even mac last better range
Snapdragon sold thier pc with overpriced just like thier cpu
@@gemstone7818 how do you know that? All we know is that people doesn't want a product that comes with copilot because they are not buying it.
Snapdragon laptops are expensive 😢. Love from Nepal 🇳🇵
The upcoming Lunar Lake laptops will just kill any ARM competition. I dont see the point of ARM in laptops anymore since x86 itself can be similarly power efficient
My sister got a snapdragon surface tablet and wanted to try painting on it. I tried every setting change I could, but Krita still ran too laggy to be usable. Reminded me of those old Celeron laptops.
Snapdragon PCs ain't selling well because Windows is not optimized for ARM. Microsoft just doesn't know how to make good use of the power of ARM.
@elegant-sloth I agree, I moved to MAC OS a year ago thanks to Win11 being such an outdated and slow OS to work on with.
Thats not even true... for one... no one wants PC on ARM.. its a terrible CPU to begin with.. accept it
@@Scudmaster11so all the people who would buy it are no one... Nice that you came down to us to share your infinte wisdom /s
@MrDasfried its a expensive glorrified Chromebook.. along with awful compatibility
What is the power of ARM? ARM itself has no power. It's just an ISA. What matters is the microarchitecture.
The problem with the X Elite CPUs is not performance but the promise of AI. people just don't give a toss about image generation and blurry background images.
calling the pager attack mind blowing???
wtf dude!
Here in Aus they are $2k and lots of the real world reviews are saying they are little buggy and aren't much better than any other laptop half the price
Weird I love my Surface Pro 11. It is nothing short of amazing vs Surface Pro 8
I got one too, and I was blown away. It’s the best windows experience out of the box I’ve ever seen.
How much battery you get from your surface? Most reviews said it's only 5hr for normal tasks with 100% brightness and performance mode.
The best one someone got was around 9hr with 50% brightness and recommended mode.
@@xali2008 I get all day battery life but I do not have my brightness that high, it's an oled and I'm a little bit scared of burning so I'm not going to risk it. but this thing sips power😌
The main reason the X Elite failed was a depressingly bad GPU that is destroyed by all rivals. When you are paying $1200-1500 you expect much better.
The good part is that people that did not return their X Elite before the 30 days are selling them around half-price on eBay auctions. So if you like a Chromebook user experience they are good value if you grab a secondhand one at the right price. I got the HP Omnibook 16GB/512GB for £600, under half the launch price. Great for my use case as I live in the browser and one great thing about the X Elite is that they are super slick browser machines.
Idk, 600 for 512 drive and browser machine is kinda...bad.
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907and hp lol I’d pay double that to not get an hp 😂😂
It's because compatibility is very limited. The same reason why linux os isn't used by many ppl because of app compatibility
And funnily enough, Linux ARM platform is much better than Windows in desktop and server, but Linux suffers from the existence of some specific apps from like Adobe, Microsoft Office, ...
I'm still watching these on Saturday mornings so it's silly when you say 'hello, happy friday'
It is partly economic cycle timing.
Suspect it is because the robots are more expensive that drivers due to costly tech and maintenance, cleaning and other operating costs. Thus showing that Uber is not viable even with AVs.
Weird, my Surface Laptop 7 delivery date (Microsoft Store) has been delayed by over a month to the end of October! I assumed it's because demand was high..
Or the demand was low, so they find it hard to be prioritized by manufacturers to work on them.
They still haven't figure what to do with all that "AI" marketing. Nobody wants their copilot bs.
I had a Surface Laptop 7 13.8 inch for a day. Bought for a friend. It is a beautiful machine! The touchpad great! Build quality is great also! Great machine!
They aren't selling because the ARM software still cant do basic shit like talking to scanners. Let it burn
As an IT technician, fuck ARM laptops. Sick of not having proper printer drivers for that shit just because someone was issued an ARM laptop rather than something more sensible...
I think that says more about the printer industry than anything else.
I went on my first trip with the T14s Snapdragon. Absolute game changer. I love the battery life on this thing. I can leave the charger at the hotel and come back with still plenty of juice. Reminds me of my M1 Pro MacBook.
It's simply really. If you check out Alex Ziskind video on the dev kits debacle, you know it has a bad rep and first impressions should matter with this first gen product. The software ecosystem is poor, and that is honestly what matters. I'm indifferent about the Snapdragon X, I think it's fine and has great battery life, but software shouldn't be treated as a second class citizen.
This said, if Microsoft is really serious about WoA, they should invest long term in software, and I'm sure these 1st gen SD X will age like wine, and will be better when 2nd gen comes out. But for now, I'm eyeing on Intel's Lunar Lake. It just seems better in every way.
Ziskind is a really awesome youtuber. I found him because of windows in arm.
Well there's a lot of problems here. While the laptops are well built and compelling on the outside... They are simply not comparable with enough for it to be the go to option.
Right now SDX has this problem, Intel has 256v and 288v, which are unlike their desktop counterparts absolutely amazing. AMD has they Ryzen AI laptops that are also amazing.
You don't want windows BS? Then you can buy a M3/M4 Macbook and have access to a much better ARM ecosystem.
SDX is just not a compelling choice. Intel offers x86 and windows with equal power efficiency. Mac offers a better ARM ecosystem. AMD offers better CPU/IGP power.
I love my Snapdragon Elite laptop. Not a single compatibility issue + all week battery life on light usage.
I have my home x86 workstation that can do everything I need it to do including gaming. I don't really need a laptop that powerful so I just have a $500 thinkpad that I upgraded a bit. I really don't see a reason to drop 1300 dollaroos on a laptop when one that costs half as much will suit my needs. I especially am not going to be dropping that much to be a 1st gen tester.
The thing is that in apple it was an upgrade. In windows laptops Intel and Ryzen and not that far in battery life from snapdragon chips. Also the support is fragmented, in apple for companies is update your app or die, here if you don't update your app you will be fine for a while.
Snapdragon X elite was so hype. Its so underperforming. GPU was terrible. People expected it to rival M3 chips. Editing was a disaster.
Based on the one and only Uber trip I've ever been on, the robots are the premium option.
They promised the sun, the moon, and even throw in the stars!
But all we got was a piece of lousy earth rock!
Snapdragon are targeting the wrong people, the 3 main people who buy expensive laptops are professionals, gaming and trend followers.
and those people will either buy a mac or need x86_64 chips to run needed software. which Snapdragon doesn't have proper support yet.
The main issue is the app compatibility. Once it stables and it has official support on Linux. I'm planning to replace my mac m1 with an x-elite linux laptop
The main issue is compatibility. The chip is good enough for multitasking and daily use. I use it for programming and I've faced some compatibility issues. But the chip is good.
This accords with what I've seen of prices in the UK. The Yoga Slim 7X has been reduced by £300 despite being released recently.
Blood pressure - reason would be that it changes if you take it yourself, if a doctor or a nurse, or an ambulance driver takes it, time of day and so on. Basically, if you measure it in a big data manner, multiple times a day or all day, you can analyse the data to draw more precise conclusions. This assumes it's able to accurately measure your blood pressure at all. But like managing your muscle vs fat mass, what you really want to know is are you trending up or down over time. A single reading might make you think you've lost weight, when you actually had a nightmare and sweated an extra litre, or you gained it when you just drank more water and aren't as dehydrated. But a consistent, day to day, week to week, increase or decrease is a much better indication of genuine weight loss or gain, hence smart scales are better than normal ones (plus less work to record your weight and no chance you forget the results).
However, the data isn't considered all that reliable by doctors yet. Possibly because they're always Luddites and behind the times, and they place to much confidence in ancient and unscientific methods - you can tell when they talk about BMI. They won't understand the concept of big data until scientists have proven it, and beaten them over the head with it for decades to be honest. But they are also not wrong that measuring body fat, blood pressure, heart rate and so on from your wrist, isn't as accurate as other methods (but nor is being asked to stand on a massive scales that looks expensive but you're wearing clothes in the doctor's office so your weight is basically random). Over time, we'll have more data. Which is why Apple and Samsung can now alert emergency services that you've been in a car crash, and how Tesla are able to make small tweaks to their cars that improve crash safety but Ford can't do that because they haven't been gathering data on side impacts.
Sluggish ARM laptop sales? Exactly as I expected. Not cheaper than the x86 counterpart. Not enough native apps and ecosystem yet for ARM Windows. Lots of rough potholes to overcome. Not much compelling experience or advantage to switch from x86 to ARM ecosystem. Not for general consumers, but only for few tech-savvy nerds and enthusiasts.
from what i understand Microsoft signed an exclusive deal to have Windows on ARM with Qualcomm? sound like shooting yourself in the foot move to me...
24 hour blood pressure management sounds really helpful to detect any anomalies & detect causes that increase or decrease your blood pressure
As a tech enthusiast I know about snapdragon laptops 💻 but does the average consumer? 🤷🏾♂️ I've seen 0 mainstream advertising for it outside of tech TH-cam & does that average consumer care or understand why a difference in CPU architecture is supposed to matter ? 🤔
Realize, when USB introduced, it took about 2 years to become popular. Philips sold several audio peripherals on launch, but they didn't sell. They were way too early.