Guitar Amps - Are more watts better than fewer watts?
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- Amps heads:
Marshall DSL20HR 20W Valve Head - tinyurl.com/y5xwq98p
Marshall DSL100HR 100W Valve Head - tinyurl.com/yy8xgmsu
Victory V40D Duchess Deluxe Head - tinyurl.com/y6rw73xu
Victory V140 Super Duchess 100w Head - tinyurl.com/y3ghqvjp
Cabs:
Marshall 1960AX 4x12 Angled Speaker Cab w/ Celestion Greenbacks - tinyurl.com/yy8gnxk5
Victory V212-VC 2x12" Open Back Cabinet in Cream Vinyl - tinyurl.com/yylhs6jd
Attenuating with:
Universal Audio OX Amp Top Box - tinyurl.com/y5ulfed7
Mic'ed with:
Shure SM57 Dynamic Instrument Microphone - tinyurl.com/y6yvr4y3
Shure SM7B Dynamic Vocal Microphone - tinyurl.com/y4emkaob
The Guitars:
Fender American Professional Strat Rosewood in Candy Apple Red - tinyurl.com/yywse4m4
PRS 2019 Paul's Guitar in Black Gold Wrap Around Burst - tinyurl.com/y5tajj8f
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Id love to se a low output pickup with lots of amp gain vs high output pickup (not active) with less amp gain!! 💁🏻♀️
yeah i never thought about that
yes
me too...
Pretty silly. I can tell you that you can run low output pickups, any kind on a high gain amp and still get high gain tones. Runa hot p8ckup on. a low gain amp will still get you low gain. Youre not going to get a metal tone by running the highest output pickups into a jcm 900 or a fender twin reverb. You will however get a metal tone with single coil vintage output pickup into a marshall jvm.
@@utecastronoova863 Character/texture of the gain will be different. While what you say is largely correct, it IS possible to hit the front end of a low gain amp with a pickup + clean boost (to simulate an outrageously hot pickup) to get some pretty nasty tone. It'd be interesting to see in a shootout, don't you think?
I'm probably not telling you anything you don't already know, but here goes...The numbers on the fronts of the amps are fairly arbitrary. They aren't really telling you much about the actual resistance at each "notch". You'd need to open it up and put a meter on each pot for that. But I think rather than setting the two amps to the same settings, a better exercise would be to set the 100W where it sounds balls, then come back and try to get the 20W to match it, if not in the room, at least in the mic, and then talk about the different settings you had to set them to and why. Anyway, a fun one as always. Thanks for the vid!
yep, those numbers are mostly an average wattage if you will, dsl20 for instance says that the range is 11-30W.
Somebody give the video editor a pay rise, great stuff as usual.
while I do like it, I found that this video was just too much
Caio Regal yeah I think he got a bit carried away on this video but it’s very entertaining most of the time.
Are you the editor aiming for a pay rise? :P
@John Smith Haha unfortunately not, I have trouble editing my own video’s :-)
@@MarkPritchardGuitar ;-)
Next time use a decibel meter so we can get a better idea of the volumes you guys hear.
Definitely, have one out at all times like on TPS!
Let's Just Say, if it was loud for Rob then I'm pretty sure it was near 100dB at least...
Timo Roosendaal I play a 50 watt Marshall JVM and with my loudest drummer I can out play him at 3 master volume, 7 channel.
I own the V40 and I can tell you with the master at 3 o'clock, like they dimed it in the video, it's one of the loudest things you'll ever hear.
Playing in a room and sitting right next to the speaker, I wouldn't dare to play more than a few notes on that volume.
Probably something like 110
This is the exact video I've been waiting for.
Have to say that those Victory's sound just awesome. And I never thought I'd see the day when it was too loud for Rob!
I feel sorry for gopro. He does a sterling job and Lee continues to treat him with contempt and doesn't appreciate him. Hang in there mate. We love your work.
Left to stare at the ceiling and run out of juice......
Captain, your tone in this video is incredible!
Love all the production on ALL these videos!!
Interesting and informative. What I most learned though is that PRS sounds wonderful!
I love that Lee jumped in and started playing, I wish he would do the playing in the videos more often along with rob
Rob's explanations of the difference between the two Victory amps (around 9:00) is so perfect. I closed my eyes and listened for the difference and when Rob gave his instant review after it was such an incredibly well worded version of what I was thinking. He prefers very different tones to me but his ears are incredible and when it comes to pure hardware the guy is so so proficient
Also the Marshall feedbacks! It's a slight difference but he worded it perfectly
Very cool, guys. Cool comparisons here.
Loved the victory sections. Love those amps.
Cheers
One of the best videos you've ever made!!! Thank you!!!
this video is the perfect way to illustrate head room. It's hard to describe what more head room sounds like but I think it's this.
Every time you pulled out the Strat I wanted to hear it through the Marshalls!
That Pedal Show did a really good vid(s) on this and the way compression and headroom influences the sound.
Link?
Hey Tony, that guitar sounds Grreeaaat!
A decibel meter would be a handy consideration for similar future videos - Obviously the point is to hear the amp sounds at various volumes rather than loudness differences but volume output pushing some of these amps would be interesting for me :)
I love that lees go pro has a voice
And what we've learned is that ear-plugs are a good idea.
Yep ... glad to see Rob trying to protect his hearing but proper earplugs would provide better protection.
I can only imagine the ear damage Lee must have.
Jack Robb I'm wondering if it's because Lee is not a gigging musician so he doesn't get exposed to loud noises for a long time. Short bursts won't give him any long-term problems but Rob is more at risk.
What??
@@Orion28296 Pardon ???
Super comparison, this PRS sounds great !
@parallax3d I didn't know (i'm not english i dont understand every thing). Thanks for the information
The sound of the humbuckers thru either dimed Victory amp was glorious! I'm surprised that Rob hasn't started wearing ear plugs for these. He is regularly putting his fingers in his ears.
Has he ever done it before this video? I've seem some hundreds of Andertons videos and I can't remember a single time before this. Maybe it's his jetlag and tiredness?
I just played a jazz festival gig and one of the guys played a 50 watt solid state boss katana and absolutely slayed. Had the best tone out of anyone that day. You don't need a 100 watt amp to play big shows because big shows have big PAs. It's all in how much head room you want for cleans.
well, gigging with a 5 watt head is going to be a LITTLE hard.
This. If you don't need a clean tone, 30 watts tube is crazy loud
was he playing traditional jazz? super clean? or fusion type stuff? curious as I'm a beginner jazz player with same amp :)
@@alexanderpotts8425 Fusion/Funk if I had to guess. It was a jazz festival but the had everything from metal to poetry readings lol.
Can confirm. I have a katana 50 and for the money (~$200 US) it's pretty tough to beat.
Clean tones make Rob's brain swell. The man beast NEEDS gain. Get dem gains Rob!
Nathan Hall seriously 😂🤘
Lee manhandles those high outputs and Rob is like OHNO!!!! :D :D
Fewer. Well done Anderton’s; good show.
Id love to spend a day with rob learning how to solo like that man he's awesome - I get like that too and hate hearing stuff LUL! Cool video !
I liked the video edit.
If this video has taught me anything it’s that I desperately need a Universal Audio Ox.
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True!
I'm getting feeling that tooo many youtube influencers and pseudo-reviewers is putting that unit somewhere to be visible. I'm starting to have feeling that it is Universal Audio's way to push it. I know it is awesome hardware and I was thinking about that pretty seriously. But this is used mostly as just an attenuator. And it not the only one. And not definitely the best one. And you do not see any other, only UA OX. Dont' get me wrong I like it, would love to own it (but not for that hi-price) - that's just my feeling like kind of advertising the UA OX.
I own one and I find it to be excellent for the most part.
@@enakki there are other load boxes out there most people invest in it because you have direct control over the volume as it's on a turn dial whereas other load boxes have a preset selection of volumes to choose from
Trust In Me was Ka the python, not Shere Khan the tiger. Great video and really felt I learned about how the wattage is used in the different amps. All the best.
I love how you guys gave the gopro some lines in the script!! Lol!
Love Pete's PRS!
"God Damnit, back on the table again!" 😂😂😂
I have this really bad habit when watching Andertons of pausing the video to make a comment on something that made me laugh, or a tone, etc, because there is so much great content in every video that if I wait until the end to recap, I can't remember what all happened where and I end up rewatching. 😂😂😂
Clicking play on the video again
Awesome video, very interesting indeed.
I remember the Orange Tiny Terror video from years ago where you did back to back testing between the low watt and higher watt ones, basically the same conclusion.
The speaker wattage handling is a big factor too. Running a low wattage amp into high-headroom speakers takes speaker breakup out of the equation and can sound kind of sterile.
Volume/headroom is certainly interesting. I have a 20 watt JCM800 and a 100 watt JVM410. Dirty, there's hardly a difference in volume levels with each volume around noon. It's the cleans that are so completely different. Different amps, but I also get way more dynamic range with the 800 vs the 410.
I've found that 30 Watt is kind of the minimum for that 'big' sound mainly due to transformers and having headroom allows you to get plenty of low end dynamics without it distorting. I like the dirty clean sound of an Ac30 and compared to say an AC15 an ac30 just has a bigger punchier sound. I was always a 15 Watt amp player and am now wanting more watts, not for volume but for that headroom and dynamic. I want an AC50 and a hiwatt just for that kind of headroom and big bottle punch although I love the compression of el84s until they get fizzy.
That red strat is beautiful!
phreak1118 It is. They have it listed as an American Original in the notes but it isn’t as the truss rod is at the top and the string tree is one of the modern rollers. Just didn’t want you to go ahead and buy one :)
@@voltagevillain7342 Right you are! Thanks for pointing that one out. It's the American Professional, not the Original. We have corrected the link in the description :)
@@andertons That's great service for want of a better word :)
The video editing humor was quite entertaining.
Beautiful PRS
Great video ..me too. I love the 50/100 watt sound attenuated...it does not compare to 40 w it just don’t ....and/ but I can’t carry a 4x12 and a50/100 w head it’s just to frikin heavy And besides nobody does that here in Toledo it’s like all 40watt tops..in small clubs... Greg Koch came to town and played for 50 people in a small venue and blew every one away with the koch amplifier..sounded soooo good .....but he nailed the volume and sound at 5
I've owned and played lots of high and low wattage amps. Both sound and feel different. It depends what you want. Ideally, trying each to find what you want is the best thing to do. :)
Hello! Great video as usual!
I would love to see a video about instrument cables. I see some of my favourite, famous guitarists using high end cables like sinasoid and some of them using other cables like dimarzio or ernie ball. Same thing for some of my favourite lesser known, indie artists and am genuinely curious as to the difference it makes in sound, reliability etc.
Cheers!
I dont think there is a discernible difference between the cables but id love that video nonetheless
My observation is with the higher headroom amps, the peaks in sound (like the pick attack) are clearer.
I like watt you did here!
Honestly, being someone who owns an EVH EL34 50w and a Mesa Rectoverb 25w I gotta say that size makes a HUGE difference, actually these low watt amps are all toys, they're cute to decorate the studio or your bedroom, you can actually match their sound with a good plug in because they lack the main thing of a 100/50W: HEADROOM and PUNCH. My EVH mops the floor with the Rectoverb, it's not even close, the punch, the headroom, the low end, the high end, everything sounds way bigger and meaner.
That 140 sounded fantastic when you gunned it. Good grief!
Poor little Gopro. Rob's tiredness rubbed off on the little guy.
Lee, you can hear the difference! The 100 sounds more open with articulation with more harmonic over tones and note separation...
6l6 is some very clear glass. great for old cb/ham amplifiers
If I remember correctly I think I read somewhere the Marshall DSL20CR has a slight different preamp than the Marshall DSL100HR. I love them both lol
I think you should get a decibel meter like the That Pedal Show have! Would be very good for videos where you talk about volume like this
I have a 600W amp... Or 400W depending on what Ohmage I hook up. - But it's also a solid-state power amplifier with a tube pre-amp, so it's not the same. - I guess they decided on that much juice to kind of give it the same kind of driving power towards the speakers. - Then again, I usually don't turn it up thát much anyway, but it's available. And I guess it would be a bit more consistent between different levels.
Thx Guys ...
I love the amp shoot out ...
Well from here it was a little tough picking up the difference s
However the high watt sounds like high watts made for loud .... to carry... sound out ...
The lower watts seam to be more for articulation situations
Les bottle end
Sweeter tone ...
Well on a fly
That what I say
Thx again...JAM Jr
Marshall DSL20HR for the win!
i just love marshalls
My 100w Peavey is a beast and virtually unusable at home. On stage, well, it doesn't need mic'ing up, even bigger outside gigs! Most gigs I never get past 4 or 5 on volume! Why 100w? Clean tones! Headroom is immense!
I like writing captions too.
Would have liked to hear the DSLs on the classic gain channel. That's where they go for the JCM800 vibe. It's my favourite way to use these amps.
wich model/wattage do you suggest?
@@napomania I personally have a DSL1CR with Genalex Gold Lion tubes. I never use the Ultra Gain channel, as I personally find the tones on that channel to be pretty much unusable. The Classic Gain channel, however, is lovely.
It's worth noting that the DSL1 (both combo and head) do _not_ feature master volume on the Classic Gain channel. That means that changing gain characteristics on that channel also changes the volume. It's also worth noting that the tone of the amp changes whether you're operating at 0.1 Watts vs 1 Watt. It's not a massive difference, but the amp does sound better at its normal 1 Watt operation setting. It's quite apparent that the amp uses the tubes differently on the different power settings.
I'm an apartment dweller, so I would only use the DSL1 at home. At 0.1 Watts with mine dimed at home, I literally can only play before 6 p.m. to avoid complaints. I occasionally let it rip at 1 Watt, but for less than a minute and _only_ on rare occasions.
If you go for a higher DSL power rating, note that all the other models are master volume designs. I think it's also worth mentioning that the wee DSL1CR combo did find its voice quite nicely after a few months of pounding. The 8" Celestion Eight 15 takes a bit of time to break in, but sounds quite good once it does. IMO, YMMV and all that.
Pete is not a fan of small cabs and the videos reflect that. However, the videos also don't have the possibility of time to break in. I don't have any recordings, but I can say that over time I have noticed a significant improvement in tone. My DSL1CR is not the amp today that I bought two years ago. It is much better now.
Full disclaimer: I found the Marshall-supplied tubes to be flubby. A set of Genalex Gold Lion tubes tightened up the bottom end nicely and added sparkle to the top end. In 2022, that would also be quite an additional cost given the situation around tube availability. As such, I strongly recommend playing one of these amps prior to purchase.
I've found 100w tube amps mainly excel for getting *real* badass sounds with a fuzz pedal.
a humble request, in the future, for those of us who put you guys on to listen while driving, if you could say which amp or head you’re talking about instead of pointing and saying “this one” or “that one” that’d be super helpful
How do you watch a video while driving? Never mind.........
Compression on the feels :D
The Marshall DSL20 sounds much better with a tube upgrade. I replaced the preamp tubes with Electro-Harmonix brand and that took away the spongey muddy sound. It made it brighter, clearer and more Marshally. I put Gold Lion KT77's in for the power tubes and that seemed to make it sound much fuller all around.
I bought the DSL40 after Lee was explaining that the preamp in the 100 and the 40 were exactly the same and he did note that the 20w and the 5w shared a preamp that was a bit different to the bigger ones (probably just less channel options etc) but I dare say that might be enough that they will behave a bit differently when being swept through the controls.
The 40 (even in 20w mode) while it will do quiet... it's still too much to get the best out of it at home IMO.
I guess the 20w (in this case will sound better with the master volume up to about half I reckon, probably the same for the 100w but half way on that thing will just be way too much in this situation (that's why we have an Oxbox)
It would be interesting getting the DSL1 head and comparing.
The dsl20 doesn’t have a master volume. The 40 and 100 are way easier to use at home.
When they came in with the cranked Marshall... my word!!!!
I used to gig with an old Carlsbro 50 Top from the 70's. 4 knobs. We were so loud at a pub that the pub 1/4 mile away got a noise complaint. We weren't asked back.
Grrrrrrrrrrretings!!!! I didn’t know that Rob is count Dracula!
I'd love to see a blind amp challenge with wattage, is it high watts or low watts, could do it with small heads like with blackstar or the Joyo Zombie, and then the higher wattage heads :)
We know Rob is the better than average player, but would there be any sonic difference if a looper were used switching between A & B..at least from the listener perspective?
TP91711 that would be more scientific.
If you do that you cut out the interaction between the loudspeaker and the guitar.
@@ResoBridge ????
@@boggeshzahim3713 In a 'live' situation the sound pressure waves from the loudspeaker vibrate the body of the guitar, that vibrates the strings, the pickups pickup the string vibration, the pickup signal drives the amp input and the amp drives the loudspeaker. And so on... At high enough loop gain you will get sustained feedback - a note can be held forever (well a long time). At lower loop gains (even relatively low volumes) you still get a more responsive feel. With a good compressor or even some fuzz or overdrive pedals you can easily get enough loop gain for 'infinite' sustain even at low volumes.
I’ve got a dual rectifier rectoverb 25 (25 watts el84) and a dual rectifier roadster (100 watts 6l6), both Mesa/Boogie.
They’re both crazy loud but the roadster has a lot more headroom and low end girth. *giggity*
The different tube types might make more of a difference as a caveat. The lower gain tubes bloom sooner which is fun!
Love both btw High and low wattage is all good in my book 🤘🏼
As a point of reference I also have a Mesa Lonestar Classic which runs stock at 100 watts with a quad of 6l6 and I swapped it to lower wattage 6v6’s and I’ve been very pleased. Went from 100 to roughly 40-45 watts. Still has many of the same characteristics but at more manageable volumes and pressure feels; especially in a smaller club/room.
Personally, I prefer a lower wattage, as long as I have enough headroom for what I want to do. Certainly the big Marshall has more bottom end, which sounds awesome on it's own, but that's not always desirable in a mix. Horses for courses though :)
The fingers in the ears edit...genius!
Can you please do this with the Hughes and Kettner line of amps ?
Considering everything was being set to 12 o'clock, perhaps it's just me, but everything sounded a little tame (probably the recording method, I know). But I couldn't set my Blackstar HT Stage 100 at 12 o'clock, it would take the roof off, even in a live situation. Latest trick I've used is putting a volume pedal in the loop to get the amp saturation and as the pedal is in the loop, reducing the signal without any loss.
You guys should put a decibel meter onscreen during your whole videos so we can see how loud things are at different times
2 years later and they still dont do this.. quite sad
@@AmperahGaming 5 years later and they DO.
I personally went for the 100w DSL over the 20w version because the 100w has a master volume. It’s way easier to play at low volumes and still sound great.
How you are talking about the difference between a 40 and a 100 watt amp is how I feel about the difference between class A and Ab...
A tweed deluxe and a top hat club royale feel fast
I always seem to like the big monster 100watt+ amps best.
You guys should do a video trying to get a high gain/expensive sound from cheap pedals and amps (e.g. ID 15 TVP)
@Swabby Shreds I'd like to see them try and fix that with a low pedal budget though. It would be useful to someone, such as myself, with a budget comparable to a twig.
That's interesting and not likely due to a fact that *this is a commercial* for a music store
@@fartymctits5701 We can only dream....
lets take this discussion on an open stage. In a studio setting you can do whatever you want with volume, live and studio is just a whole world of difference!
Both Marshalls sound great. Putting each through a 4x12 really has an effect on sound. The 20w head would usually be put through few speakers and so the sound would change again. I've seen reviews for the 20w head and you've managed to make it sound different again! Just shows the room you're in and mic setup really matters.
Does anyone know which mics they were using?
One of them appears to be a Shure SM7B, the other's prolly a SM57 or equivalent.
For what is worth, I think that it heavily depends on the whole amp's design. For example, I loved my 24W Supro amp, I thought it was super loud when I first got it. But then I started playing with guitar players with 100W Marshalls, and my Supro was not even in the conversation.
I then got a 45W Fender Bassbreaker. Now, that is a loud amp! But I actually struggle a lot more with that amp than with the Supro, because it's difficult to make it do a loud and clear clean sound. I constantly feel like I'm missing a ton of headroom. Also, even though it is a Fender based on a Bassman preamp, it is very very gainy. In my opinion, it sounds way more like a Vintage Marshall than either the DSL or Origin amps that the actual Marshall makes. It is also similarly difficult to use because of the need to turn it up to get distortion.
So, I really want to get myself a 100W amp to really get some clean headroom. It's crazy how much I struggle for headroom with a 45W amp!
I have a Mesa 25 watt head and it compresses when I use an attenuater with the volume halfway up! But it has an eq in it. So I got rid of the squishey sound and brightened it up. So just use an eq pedal to fix it!
great video! i wish victory made new version of v40 as lunchbox amp, basically v40 with v40 deluxe sound and without tremolo and spring reverb.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe they do have this? I think there are three versions of the v40, the lunchbox, deluxe with tube trem and verb, and the v140
@@justingarcia7722 yes but v40 deluxe is revoiced, it has better high end response, not as dark, so i would prefere v40 deluxe sound but not in a wooden box and without tremolo or spring reverb
2:44 I think we wouldn't hear five times more volume if it were so (thanks to YT compressing at least), but anyway, a dB-meter would be nice (like D&M have), while mentioning that 100 dB is not five times as loud as 20dB.
Its really quite impossible to judge the differnces in a test like this. The only fair comparasion would be to make a live recording where you play with a real band at real volume and switch between the various amp/speaker conigurations during the song, and do it in some different styles. A 20 watt amp may be just perfect for a country band in a small club while you may need 50 to get a nice fat full tone in other music styles and conditions. Still, I really like your videos!
Loving the duchess, she just sounds so damn tasty
40w victory seems to have slightly more bass compared to the 100w which has more clarity
Our sesquipedalian monkey lord is incorrect, the snake in the Jungle Book was called Kaa, Shere Khan was the tiger. Monkey Lord bragging rights revoked!
Mr. Rob Know it all didn't know it all! 😄
Sesquipedalian? Congratulations you have found a word I haven't encountered before. I shall have to resort to Google.
Well played Rob! Lots of Feeling. That's what ya need! :-)
I always preferred my 6100LM in 100W mode compared to the 50W.
As someone who started with a 15W practice amp, then moved up to a Peavey Bandit, then a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, a Twin and finally a Mesa Mark V, I can say without a doubt, the best tone is ~100W tube amp. And particularly a 100W tube amp through a 4x12 cabinet (which I don't have because of portability). A full stack. It's not even a question. But there are other considerations. If the money, volume or weight is too much for you, by all means get what fits you. I have a 2x12 cabinet for that reason. But the facts are the facts.
You’re confusing opinion for fact
30 watt is enough to gig with but if you want alot of headroom you might wanna get a 100watt but the volume should be almost the same.
I literally live for all the little comments the GoPro camera makes. Bravo Mr video editor. 🤣
The Victory V40 is a Sweet sounding thing of beauty.
How about a 30 watt Marshall JTM45 that has a tube rectifier. These amps are called Plexi's and are known to be LOUD and Spongy (because of the tube rectifier). I just received mine, new 2 day's ago!
You just have to consider how players like Hendrix, Young, Yngwie, Wylde, etc. used their amplifiers. As in basically 100 Watts Marshalls pretty gunned, if not all the way. - They might do quite different music with different styles, the ones I mentioned, but they do have things in common in terms of approach.
In the olden days, where all of the guitar sound at the venue came out of the same speaker cabinet, they didn't always have a choice to not be gunning their amps.
As a young man/teen I had a fender super twin 180 watts rams 6 6l6. Super top heavy just all around heavy 212s and if its got close to 2 people gor mad and really you never get to open it up now I have a bassbreaker 30 and is can cary it. Its plenty thick for 112. Less than 30 watts n I hear a loss of "thickness" really if don't have roladies or sons and is cannot play if my arms are torn off
At this point 22 Watts seems to be the max needed for the gigs that my band does. If the guitarist is using a Fender Princeton Reverb, and the drummer has a Jazz Kit, I, who am playing bass in the band, (I am also a guitarist) can bring a 150 Watt Fender Bassman TV 1X12 to the gig. We are mostly playing breweries with very acoustically live rooms, and are not playing Doom Metal.