I have the Dagger Osmo 2p. I was interested in what you said about the prebent pole section folding in the wrong way in heavy wind conditions. I haven't had that issue with my tent. Maybe that's because I have additional guy lines attached to the webbing loops next to where those pre-bends are on the tent corners. It's good to give these tents that use lightweight pole systems additional mid-height support when the wind is strong.
The dagger was brand new as well and they used all the cordage that came with the tent but did not bring extra. I had the extra orange line I used that I got from Hammock gear for my tarp. The poles popped back out with no obvious damage so they kept the tent and are still using it. Considering how windy it was it did alright. I believe they too were holding the tent together though throughout the night with the big gusts. You are probably right, extra support up top would have helped. No one got sleep. It was one of those adventures you hope you don’t repeat!! I think the first thing to do if you get the Nemo tents in 2023, is to replace all the cordage with better stuff. I have seen others complain about the cordage breaking even in light wind.
where did you get the idea these were above tree line/mountaineering tents?....good lord.... I think the conditions described would have crushed any tent of this design and weight category ( I dont own any nemo products)....User error
Thanks for your comment. I did say in the video we pushed these tents past what they were made for. That being said, the guy lines snapping were just really bad cordage. I have seen other reviews where there were not above tree line, talking about how fragile the guy lines are. We were not mountaineering. It is just a hike to the lake with a teeny scramble at the end :) just a bad wind day. If the guy line didn’t snap the tent would have done a lot better.
@@alpineearth Seems irresponsible to "comes across negative" and trash ( literally have it thrown in the landfill) the tent when you set it up improperly and in clearly too much exposure ( I also live in the rocky mountains) ...I'm getting a Dan Becker vibe here, too much money not enough experience...stay safe out there
@@abl5516 again thanks for the comment. I don’t make money doing this…and to be fair to Dan Becker, he does not pretend to be an expert, and everyone makes mistakes when learning. I am Just here to share my experiences. If you watched the whole video you would have heard all the things I said about how I should have tied out all the spots for a line right away and how this tent is not really made for the conditions I had it in. I think it’s important to be honest and to also share when a product fails so everyone can make good decisions for themselves. There are too many TH-camrs out there sponsored by gear companies that are scared to say anything honest about the gear they are ‘testing’. I am convinced the guy lines would have failed in an even milder wind. I have seen others talk about the same thing. I don’t know you and you don’t know me so you don’t know that I come from a mountaineering background and just slowed down to bring up my kids and backpacking is a great way to get them into the mountains slowly. FYI, this was not my tent. We tried it out for a night. We have other mountaineering tents we use when we do that. Unfortunately tent manufacturers are lightening up tents just a little too much to be used in any condition. This tents line failed in the first winds that were not even strong yet. The really strong wind happened throughout the night. Thankfully I brought extra stronger lines to replace the broken line and to add more tie outs. Anyway, thanks for sharing your opinion. I love it when I can converse with and share opinions with the community.
One more thing worth mentioning…in case you didn’t see it in the video, the hooks holding on the fly kept coming unhooked and there was no way to tighten the fly up to keep them on. What happens when it rains and the fly sags and needs to be tightened? I am no tent designer but this is the first time I have ever seen that in a tent. They removed something that is in my opinion essential, maybe just to make it lighter.
Thanks for the video This actually layed out perfectly what I was fearing with this tent. Idk if tents have wind ratings but they should. Also if I’m going to spend near $450 it better keep me safe. Sure you are paying for the weight but I would much rather have a well built tent than a paperweight. I was recently in a survival situation like this and that pushed me to buy this tent. Now I’m rethinking my choices
I don’t think these tents are meant for 100 kph winds; they’re too light. I have a Nemo Chogori 3 kgs plus but I’ve had several nights in it with >50 cms snow and 80 kph winds and it was bombproof.
@@zacharysmith7872 the cord and the pole snapped before the winds even picked up about half way. Lots of reports of cordage on these tents breaking. Unfortunately ultralight gets pushed too far sometimes but yes half way through the night the winds got really really bad, beyond what the tent was made for, but things were already broken by then.
@@alpineearth I wholeheartedly agree on UL having major drawbacks. I didn’t know about the cord issue, mine are all paracord from my supply and if they snapped then no tent has a hope. Still, a properly staked and guy lined dagger can handle a lot of wind. The extra stakes and cord add weight. It’s almost as if being truly prepared for wilderness has a minimum weight in excess of “UL standards”.
After we swapped the cordage out for the stuff I brought for my tarp, we didn’t have another cord snapping issue even though the winds picked up. Was definitely a cord issue. we did have to hold the tent together physically though when the wind gusts really picked up. The other not normal thing was there are no buckles that buckle down the fly like on a big Agnes. It was just a little hook and it kept coming undone on the wind side. just a bad design IMO.
Thanks for the tip :) we have other mountaineering 4 season tents and other 3 season tents that can withstand winds. We were just not expecting that wind or we would have brought something else.
I didn't really see a review of the Dagger. Did I miss something? I watched it twice, and saw your disappointment with Hornet, but to be fair the Hornet is the lightest tent Nemo offers.
Just sharing my experience with you :) the Dagger did way better than the Hornet. That one went back to the store. The Dagger is still being used. It survived :)
If your in the USA 90% of the time you should be using a non ultralight tent like a Hilleberg black or red label. Our country is made up of rather extreme climates with lots of mountains with high winds, or land that gets hurricanes, blizzards, or monsoons quickly. Only in very specific times of the year in a very small temperate parts of the USA will ultralight tents cut it. Just get a higher end more bigger heavy duty tent and split it up between yourself and your spouse/partner. That way you get the same weight as an ultralight tent each but the benefits of the more sturdy tent.
Thanks for the comment. I am actually Canadian and our climates here are even worse :) I agree with you to a certain extent. Some ultralight tents of different design and material work really well in bad weather like the Durston X-Mid that was made to weather our Great divide Trail. This Nemo Hornet tent and many of the same design is definitely not made for anything other than a slight breeze. So this particular design, I agree with you.
@@bradl2636 yes you are right. We had the 3 person. The 2 person is 51 inches wide but tapers to 43 inches so I doubt the 2 person will fit the 25 inch and 20 inch regular (non mummy) mats. Will likely need mummy mats.
I found this video very useful although I feel the setup was not not helping at all. using rocks to hold down the tiedowns can not be a good idea although this was still very useful.
There's certainly a review in these 11+ minutes, but it's not of a tent. Any shelter with a prayer of weathering those conditions, pitch effort and exposure notwithstanding, weighs in *at least* double what the Hornet, and even the Dagger does. Sounds like the OP knows that, which makes this bizarre "review" that much moreso.
Hehehehehe yep I knew it for sure. The moral to the story is, a storm could hit at any time here in the Rockies and the little hornet is definitely not a good tent for that scenario. Also, Nemo needs to use better cordage and poles. Lots of reviews out there with the same snapping cordage issue. The dagger didn’t do too bad considering that fowl wind.
I would not take these at all. I am pretty disappointed in them. I am trying to find a light 3 person tent I can carry for me and the kids when the hubby stays home. These are both 3 person tents. I likely would not be doing anything super crazy and staying lower down but I think I will look at the zpacks free trio or or the triple rainbow if it still can be set up free standing with poles. Not if it can’t because it’s too fragile that way. Or the hyperlite Ultamid 4. There is no chance I would buy these tents now even just knowing the guy lines are so fragile. I have since read other reviews of the guy lines breaking just from tying them out, not even from wind.
I have the Dagger Osmo 2p. I was interested in what you said about the prebent pole section folding in the wrong way in heavy wind conditions. I haven't had that issue with my tent. Maybe that's because I have additional guy lines attached to the webbing loops next to where those pre-bends are on the tent corners. It's good to give these tents that use lightweight pole systems additional mid-height support when the wind is strong.
The dagger was brand new as well and they used all the cordage that came with the tent but did not bring extra. I had the extra orange line I used that I got from Hammock gear for my tarp. The poles popped back out with no obvious damage so they kept the tent and are still using it. Considering how windy it was it did alright. I believe they too were holding the tent together though throughout the night with the big gusts. You are probably right, extra support up top would have helped. No one got sleep. It was one of those adventures you hope you don’t repeat!! I think the first thing to do if you get the Nemo tents in 2023, is to replace all the cordage with better stuff. I have seen others complain about the cordage breaking even in light wind.
Yes, agree with cordage quality@@alpineearth . I used 2mm spectra, which doesn't stretch and has 100kg breaking strain.
where did you get the idea these were above tree line/mountaineering tents?....good lord.... I think the conditions described would have crushed any tent of this design and weight category ( I dont own any nemo products)....User error
Thanks for your comment. I did say in the video we pushed these tents past what they were made for. That being said, the guy lines snapping were just really bad cordage. I have seen other reviews where there were not above tree line, talking about how fragile the guy lines are. We were not mountaineering. It is just a hike to the lake with a teeny scramble at the end :) just a bad wind day. If the guy line didn’t snap the tent would have done a lot better.
@@alpineearth
Seems irresponsible to "comes across negative" and trash ( literally have it thrown in the landfill) the tent when you set it up improperly and in clearly too much exposure ( I also live in the rocky mountains) ...I'm getting a Dan Becker vibe here, too much money not enough experience...stay safe out there
@@abl5516 again thanks for the comment. I don’t make money doing this…and to be fair to Dan Becker, he does not pretend to be an expert, and everyone makes mistakes when learning. I am Just here to share my experiences. If you watched the whole video you would have heard all the things I said about how I should have tied out all the spots for a line right away and how this tent is not really made for the conditions I had it in. I think it’s important to be honest and to also share when a product fails so everyone can make good decisions for themselves. There are too many TH-camrs out there sponsored by gear companies that are scared to say anything honest about the gear they are ‘testing’. I am convinced the guy lines would have failed in an even milder wind. I have seen others talk about the same thing. I don’t know you and you don’t know me so you don’t know that I come from a mountaineering background and just slowed down to bring up my kids and backpacking is a great way to get them into the mountains slowly. FYI, this was not my tent. We tried it out for a night. We have other mountaineering tents we use when we do that. Unfortunately tent manufacturers are lightening up tents just a little too much to be used in any condition. This tents line failed in the first winds that were not even strong yet. The really strong wind happened throughout the night. Thankfully I brought extra stronger lines to replace the broken line and to add more tie outs. Anyway, thanks for sharing your opinion. I love it when I can converse with and share opinions with the community.
One more thing worth mentioning…in case you didn’t see it in the video, the hooks holding on the fly kept coming unhooked and there was no way to tighten the fly up to keep them on. What happens when it rains and the fly sags and needs to be tightened? I am no tent designer but this is the first time I have ever seen that in a tent. They removed something that is in my opinion essential, maybe just to make it lighter.
Thanks for the video
This actually layed out perfectly what I was fearing with this tent.
Idk if tents have wind ratings but they should.
Also if I’m going to spend near $450 it better keep me safe. Sure you are paying for the weight but I would much rather have a well built tent than a paperweight.
I was recently in a survival situation like this and that pushed me to buy this tent.
Now I’m rethinking my choices
I don’t think these tents are meant for 100 kph winds; they’re too light. I have a Nemo Chogori 3 kgs plus but I’ve had several nights in it with >50 cms snow and 80 kph winds and it was bombproof.
That’s right. I did say that in the review. Not built for that scenario.
If the cord snapped, that’s a sign that the winds were well beyond what a 3 season tent is designed to handle.
@@zacharysmith7872 the cord and the pole snapped before the winds even picked up about half way. Lots of reports of cordage on these tents breaking. Unfortunately ultralight gets pushed too far sometimes but yes half way through the night the winds got really really bad, beyond what the tent was made for, but things were already broken by then.
@@alpineearth I wholeheartedly agree on UL having major drawbacks. I didn’t know about the cord issue, mine are all paracord from my supply and if they snapped then no tent has a hope. Still, a properly staked and guy lined dagger can handle a lot of wind. The extra stakes and cord add weight. It’s almost as if being truly prepared for wilderness has a minimum weight in excess of “UL standards”.
@zacharysmith7872 the dagger did way better. The poles did fold in but did not get damaged. It had different cordage.
After we swapped the cordage out for the stuff I brought for my tarp, we didn’t have another cord snapping issue even though the winds picked up. Was definitely a cord issue. we did have to hold the tent together physically though when the wind gusts really picked up. The other not normal thing was there are no buckles that buckle down the fly like on a big Agnes. It was just a little hook and it kept coming undone on the wind side. just a bad design IMO.
For very high wind conditions I suggest you look into tents by Hilleberg, Nortent, Slingfin, Macpac and Terra-Nova.
Thanks for the tip :) we have other mountaineering 4 season tents and other 3 season tents that can withstand winds. We were just not expecting that wind or we would have brought something else.
These are not mountaineering tents ... these are "fun" camping tents.
For sure not mountaineering tents
They’re not cheap.
No they are not.
I didn't really see a review of the Dagger. Did I miss something? I watched it twice, and saw your disappointment with Hornet, but to be fair the Hornet is the lightest tent Nemo offers.
I just talked about how the dagger folded in and collapsed and showed the inside. First inside shots are of the dagger.
These guys are silly. The Nemo Dagger OSMO is a highly reviewed tent with high praise.
Just sharing my experience with you :) the Dagger did way better than the Hornet. That one went back to the store. The Dagger is still being used. It survived :)
If your in the USA 90% of the time you should be using a non ultralight tent like a Hilleberg black or red label. Our country is made up of rather extreme climates with lots of mountains with high winds, or land that gets hurricanes, blizzards, or monsoons quickly. Only in very specific times of the year in a very small temperate parts of the USA will ultralight tents cut it.
Just get a higher end more bigger heavy duty tent and split it up between yourself and your spouse/partner. That way you get the same weight as an ultralight tent each but the benefits of the more sturdy tent.
Thanks for the comment. I am actually Canadian and our climates here are even worse :) I agree with you to a certain extent. Some ultralight tents of different design and material work really well in bad weather like the Durston X-Mid that was made to weather our Great divide Trail. This Nemo Hornet tent and many of the same design is definitely not made for anything other than a slight breeze. So this particular design, I agree with you.
Do you know if the Hornet 2P will fit a 25" rectangular REG WIDE and a 20" REG mummy pad side-by-side without stressing/pushing out the inner?
@@bradl2636 yes it will. Lots of room in this one
@@alpineearth I see you were using the 3P not the 2P... my mistake.
@@bradl2636 yes you are right. We had the 3 person. The 2 person is 51 inches wide but tapers to 43 inches so I doubt the 2 person will fit the 25 inch and 20 inch regular (non mummy) mats. Will likely need mummy mats.
I found this video very useful although I feel the setup was not not helping at all. using rocks to hold down the tiedowns can not be a good idea although this was still very useful.
Sometimes when the wind is so bad, it’s the only way :)
There's certainly a review in these 11+ minutes, but it's not of a tent.
Any shelter with a prayer of weathering those conditions, pitch effort and exposure notwithstanding, weighs in *at least* double what the Hornet, and even the Dagger does. Sounds like the OP knows that, which makes this bizarre "review" that much moreso.
Hehehehehe yep I knew it for sure. The moral to the story is, a storm could hit at any time here in the Rockies and the little hornet is definitely not a good tent for that scenario. Also, Nemo needs to use better cordage and poles. Lots of reviews out there with the same snapping cordage issue. The dagger didn’t do too bad considering that fowl wind.
Thank you for this review!! This type of wind is not uncommon in Colorado in storms and sometimes you don’t have the option of a very protected site!
Yes it is so high up in Colorado there are not a lot of trees in spots! I remember mountain biking near crested butte and the hills were all bare.
So when would you bring one of these tents vs either the xmid or your Duo?
I would not take these at all. I am pretty disappointed in them. I am trying to find a light 3 person tent I can carry for me and the kids when the hubby stays home. These are both 3 person tents. I likely would not be doing anything super crazy and staying lower down but I think I will look at the zpacks free trio or or the triple rainbow if it still can be set up free standing with poles. Not if it can’t because it’s too fragile that way. Or the hyperlite Ultamid 4. There is no chance I would buy these tents now even just knowing the guy lines are so fragile. I have since read other reviews of the guy lines breaking just from tying them out, not even from wind.
ホーネット3Pとダガー3Pの違い見られて助かりました。ありがとうございます。
特にホーネット3Pの動画を探してましたのでうれしいです！
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